A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs - Episode 97: “Song to Woody” by Bob Dylan

Episode Date: September 10, 2020

Episode ninety-seven of A History of Rock Music in Five Hundred Songs looks at “Song To Woody” by Bob Dylan, and at the Greenwich Village folk scene of the early sixties. Click the full po...st to read liner notes, links to more information, and a transcript of the episode. Patreon backers also have a ten-minute bonus episode available, on “Sherry” by the Four Seasons. Tilt Araiza has assisted invaluably by doing a first-pass edit, and will hopefully be doing so from now on. Check out Tilt’s irregular podcasts at http://www.podnose.com/jaffa-cakes-for-proust and http://sitcomclub.com/ (more…)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A History of Rock Music in 500 songs by Andrew Hig. Episode 97, Song to Woody, by Bob Dylan. 1962 is the year when the 60s really started, and in the next few episodes, we will see the first proper appearances of several of the musicians who would go on to make the decade what it was. By two weeks from now, when we get to episode, 100 and the end of the second year of the podcast. The stage will be set for us to look at that most mythologised of decades. And so today, we're going to take our first look at one of the
Starting point is 00:00:42 most important of the 60s musicians, the only songwriter ever to win the Nobel Prize for literature, a man who influenced every single performer and songwriter for at least the next decade, and whose work inspired a whole sub-genre, albeit one he had little but contempt for. We're going to look at his first album and at a song he wrote to his greatest influence. And we're also going to look at how his career intersected with someone we talked about way back in the very first episode of this podcast. Today we're going to look at Bob Dylan and at Song to Woody. Hey, hey, Woody Guthrie I wrote you a song.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Fight a funny old world, that's a coming along. Seems sick and it's hungry, it's tired, and it's tongue. This episode is going to be a little bit more. This episode is going to be a little different from several of the other episodes we've had recently. At the time he made his first album, Dylan was not the accomplished artist he quickly became, but a minor performer whose first record only contained two original songs. But he was from a tradition we've looked at only in passing before. We've barely looked at the American folk music tradition
Starting point is 00:02:09 and largely ignored the musicians who are major figures in it because those figures only rarely enter into rock and roll in a real way, starting with Dylan. So as part of this episode, we're going to have very brief capsule looks at a number of other musicians we've not touched on before. I'll only be giving enough background for these people so you can get a flavour of them.
Starting point is 00:02:31 In future episodes, when we look at the folk and folk rock scenes, will also fill in some more of the background of these artists. That also means this episode is going to run a little long, just because there's a lot to get through. Bob Dylan was born Robert Zimmerman in the Minnesota Iron Range, an area of the US that was just beginning a slow descent into poverty, as the country suddenly needed a lot less metal after the end of World War II. He was born in Duluth, but moved to Hibbing, a much smaller town, when he was very young.
Starting point is 00:03:05 As a kid, he was fascinated with music that sounded a little odd. He was first captivated by Johnny Ray. And incidentally, Clinton, in his biography of Dylan, thinks that this must be wrong, and Dylan has surely mixed up his names, and must be thinking of Johnny Ace, because Ray's main period of chart success was 1956 to 58. Halen's books are usually very, very well researched, but here he's showing his parochialism. Johnny Ray's biggest UK hits were in 1956-8, but in the US, his biggest hits came in 1951,
Starting point is 00:03:43 and he had a string of hits in the very early 50s. Ray's hits, like Cry, were produced by Mitch Miller, and were on Columbia Records. Shortly after his infatuation with Ray's music, he felt for the music of Hank Williams in a big way, and became obsessed with Williams's songwriting. He also became a fan of another Hank, Hank Snow, the country singer who had been managed by Colonel Tom Parker, and through Snow he became aware of the songs of Jimmy Rogers, who Snow frequently covered, and who Snow admired enough that Snow's son was named Jimmy Rogers Snow.
Starting point is 00:05:21 But he soon also became a big fan of Vithers. and blues and rock and roll. He taught himself to play rudimentary piano in a Little Richard style, and his ambition, as quoted in his high school yearbook, was to join Little Richard's band. He was enough of a fan of rock and roll music that he went to see Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper on the penultimate date of their ill-fated tour. He later claimed to have seen a halo over Holly's head during the performance. His first brush with fame came in directly as a result of that tour. A singer from Fargo, North Dakota, named Bobby V, was drafted into cover for Holly at the show
Starting point is 00:06:02 that Holly had been travelling to when he died. V sounded a little like Holly, if you didn't listen to closely, and he had a minor local hit with a song called Susie Baby. Dylan joined V's band for a short while under the stage name Elston Gunn, playing the piano, though he was apparently not very good. He could only play in C, according to some sources I've read, and he didn't stay in V's band very long. But while he was in V's band, he would tell friends and relatives that he was Bobby Vee, and at least some people believed him. V would go on to have a career as one of the wave of Bobby's that swarmed all over American bandstand in the late 50s and early 60s with records like Rubber Ball.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Bounty Bounty Bounty, Just a rubber ball Because you think you can be true to two Bounty, bouncy, bouncy You bounce my heart around While Dylan made his name With a very different kind of music He would always argue
Starting point is 00:07:54 That V deserved rather more respect than he usually got And that there was some merit to his music But it wasn't until he went to university in Minneapolis The Robert Zimmerman became Bob Dylan and changed everything about his life. As many people do when they go to university, he reinvented himself.
Starting point is 00:08:14 He took on a new name, which has variously been quoted as having been inspired by Marshall Dylan from the TV series Gunsmoke and by the Welsh poet Dylan Thomas. He stopped studying and devoted his time to music and chasing women, and he also took on a new musical style.
Starting point is 00:08:32 The way he tells it, he had an epiphany in a record shop listening booth, listening to an album by the folk singer Odetta. Odetta was an astonishing singer who combined elements of folk, country and blues with an opera-trained voice, and Dylan was probably listening to her first album, which was largely traditional songs,
Starting point is 00:08:52 plus one song each by Led Belly and Jimmy Rogers. Dylan had soon sold his electric guitar and bought an acoustic, and he immediately learned all of Odetta's repertoire and started performing her songs and lead bellies with a friend Spider-John Kerner, who would later become a fairly well-known folk blues musician in his own right. And then, at a coffee shop,
Starting point is 00:10:15 he got talking with a friend of his, Flo Casner, and she invited him to come round to her brother's apartment, which was nearby, because she thought he might be interested in some of the music her brother had. Dylan discovered two albums at Link Casner's house that day that would change his life. The first, and the less important to him in the short term,
Starting point is 00:10:36 is one we've talked about before. He heard the Spirituals to Swing album, the record of the 1938 Carnegie Hall concerts that we talked about back in the first few episodes of the podcast. That album impressed him, but it was the other record he heard that day that changed everything for him immediately. It was a collection of recordings by Woody Guthrie.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Guthrie is someone we've only mentioned in passing so far, but he was pivotal in the development of American folk music in the 1940s, and in particular he was important in the politicisation of that music. In the 1930s, there wasn't really a distinction made between country music and folk. That distinction is one that only really came later, and Guthrie had started out as a country singer, singing songs inspired by the Carter family, Jimmy Rogers, and other 1920s greats. For most of his early 20s, he'd bummed around Oklahoma and Texas, doing odd jobs as a sign painter, psychic, faith healer, and whatever else he could pick up a little money for.
Starting point is 00:12:11 But then in 1936 he'd travelled out to California in search of work. When there, he'd hooked up with a cousin, Jack Guthrie, who was a Western singer, performing the kind of Western swing that would later become Rockabilly. We don't have any recordings of Jack from this early, but when you listen to him in the 40s, you can hear the kind of hard-edged California Western Swing that would influence most of the white artists we looked at in the first year or so of the podcast. Woody and Jack weren't musically compatible. This was when country and western were seen as very, very different genres,
Starting point is 00:13:17 rather than being lumped into one. But they worked together for a while. Jack was the lead singer and guitarist, and Woody was his comedy sidekick backing vocalist and harmonica player. They performed with a group called the Beverly Hill Belize and got their own radio show, the Oki and Woody Show, but it wasn't successful, and Jack decided to give up the show. Woody continued with a friend, Maxine Christman,
Starting point is 00:13:42 who performed as Lefty Lou from Old Missou. The Woody and Lefty Act became hugely popular, but Lefty eventually also quit due to her health failing. And while at the time she seems to have been regarded as the major talent in the duo, her leaving the act was indirectly the best thing that ever happened to Guthrie. The radio station they were performing on was owned by a fairly left-wing businessman, who had connections with the radical left faction of the Democratic Party, and in California in the 30s, that could be quite radical,
Starting point is 00:14:13 somewhere close to today's Democratic Socialists of America. And when lefty quit the act, the owner of the station gave Guthrie another job. The owner also ran a left-wing newspaper, and since Guthrie was from Oklahoma, maybe he would be interested in writing some columns about the plight of the Oki migrants. Guthrie went and spent time with those people, and his shock at the poverty they were living in,
Starting point is 00:14:36 and the discrimination they were suffering, seems to have radicalised him. He started hanging around with members of the Communist Party, though he apparently never joined. He wasn't all that interested in Marxist theory or the party line. He just wanted to take the side of the victims against the bullies, and he saw the communists as doing that. He was, though, enough of a fellow traveller,
Starting point is 00:14:57 that when World War II started, he took the initial communist line of it being a capitalist fight that socialist should have no part of, a line which was held until Russia joined the war, at which point it became a crusade against the evils of fascism. His employer was a more resolute anti-fascist, and so Guthrie lost his newspaper job, and he decided to move across the country to New York,
Starting point is 00:15:20 where he hooked up with a group of left-wing intellectuals and folk singers, centering on Alan Lomax, Pete Seeger, and Leadbelly. It was this environment, centered in Almanac House in Greenwich Village, that spawned the Almanac singers and later the Weavers, who we talked about a few episodes back. And Guthrie had been the most important of all of them. Guthrie was a folk performer.
Starting point is 00:15:44 A big chunk of his repertoire was old songs like Ida Red, Stackley, and Who's Going to Shue Your Pretty Little Feet? But he also wrote songs himself, taking the forms of old folk and country songs and reworking the lyrics, and sometimes but not always the music, creating songs that dealt with events that were happening at the time. There were songs about famous outlaws, recast as Robin Hood type figures.
Starting point is 00:16:15 I see lots of funny men. Some will rob you with a sick gun. Some with a fountain pin. But as through your life you travel, and as through your life you roam, you won't never see an house. There were talking blues with comedy lyrics. Early one morning, I took me an ocean to go out of fishing in the middle of the ocean.
Starting point is 00:16:56 I rode out my line, I caught me a shark, I didn't get him home until way past dark. He's a man-eater, tough customer. This wasn't quite tough enough. Late last night I had me a dream, eyes out fishing a whiskey scream. There were the famous hook with apple jack throughout a drink bring a gallon back. There were the famous dust bowl ballads about the dust storms that had caused so much destruction and hardship in the West. 14th day 35 there struck the worst of dust storms that ever filled the sky. You could see that dust storm coming, the cloud looked dead.
Starting point is 00:17:55 and through our mighty nation and of course there was this land is your land a radical song about how private property is immoral and unnatural which has been taken up as an anthem by people who would despise everything that guthrie stood for Followed my footsteps to the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts all around me. The voice was a sounding. This land was made for you and me. There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me. Sign was painted. It said private property. But on the backside, it didn't say nothing.
Starting point is 00:18:50 It's not certain which records by Guthrie Dylan heard that day. He talks about it in his autobiography, but the songs he talks about weren't ones that were on the same album, and he seems to just be naming a handful of Guthrie's songs. What is certain is that Dylan reacted to this music in a visceral way. He decided that he had to become Woody Guthrie and took on Guthrie's playing and singing style, even his accent. However, he soon modulated that slightly,
Starting point is 00:19:19 when a friend told him that he might as well give up. Rambling Jack Elliot was already doing the Guthrie imitation thing. Elliot, like Dylan, was a middle-class Jewish man who had reinvented himself as a woody Guthrie copy. In this case, Elliot Adnapaz, the son of a surgeon, had become Rambling Jack the singing cowboy, and had been an apprentice of Guthrie, living with him and learning everything from him, before going over to Britain, where his status as an actual authentic American had meant he was one of the the major figures in the British folk scene and the related skiffle scene. Alan Lomax, who had moved to the UK temporarily to escape the anti-communist witch hunt,
Starting point is 00:19:59 had got Elia to contract with Topic Records, a folk label that had started out as part of the Workers' Music Association, which, as you can probably tell from the name, was affiliated with the Communist Party of Great Britain. There he'd recorded an album of Guthrie songs, which Dylan's acquaintance played for him. Dylan in the copper country
Starting point is 00:20:28 I'll take you to a place called Italian halle. Dylan was shocked that there was someone out there doing the same thing, but then he just took on aspects of Elliot's persona as well as Guthrie's. He was going to be the next Woody Guthrie, and that meant inhabiting his persona utterly and giving his whole repertoire over to Guthrie songs. He was also, though, making tentative efforts at writing his own songs, too. One which we only have as a lyric was written to a girlfriend and was set to the same tune we just heard,
Starting point is 00:21:16 Guthrie's 1913 Massacre. The lyrics were things like, Hey, hey, Bonnie, I'm singing to you now. The song I'm singing is the best I know how. Incidentally, the woman that was written for is yet another person in the story who now has a different name. She became a moderately successful actor. appearing in episodes of Star Trek and Gunsmoke, and changed her name to Jahanara Romney
Starting point is 00:21:40 shortly after her marriage to the hippie peace activist Wavy Gravy, which isn't Mr Gravy's birth name either. Their son, whose birth name was Howdy, Do Good, Gravy, Tomahawk, truck stop Romney, also changed his name later on. You'll be unsurprised to hear. Dylan, by this point, was feeling as constrained by the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, as he had earlier by the small town Hibbing. In January 1961, he decided he was going to go to New York,
Starting point is 00:22:10 and while he was there, he was going to go and meet Woody Guthrie in person. Guthrie was, by this time, severely ill. He had Huntington's disease, a truly awful genetic disorder that had also killed his mother. Huntington's causes dementia, spasmodic movements, a loss of control of the body, and a ton of other mental and physical symptoms. Guthrie had been in a psychiatric hospital since 1956 and was only let out every Sunday to see family at a friend's house. Bob Dylan quickly became friendly with Guthrie,
Starting point is 00:22:44 visiting him regularly in the hospital to play Guthrie's own songs for him and occasionally joining him on the family visits on Sundays. He only spent a few months doing this. Dylan has always been someone who moved on quickly and Guthrie also moved towards the end of 1961 to a new hospital close to. to his family. But these visits had a profound effect on the young man. When not visiting Guthrie, Dylan was spending his time in Greenwich Village, the Bohemian Centre of New York. The village at that time
Starting point is 00:23:14 was a hotbed of artists and madacles, with people like the poet Alan Ginsberg, the street musician Moondog and Tiny Tim, a ukulele player who sang Rudy Valley's songs in falsetto, all part of the scene. It was also the centre of what was becoming the second great folk revite. That revival had been started in 1952, when the most important bootleg ever was released, Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music. Harry Smith was a record collector, experimental filmmaker, and follower of the occultist Alistair Crowley. His greatest work seems at least in part to have been created as a magical work, with album covers designed by himself full of esoteric symbolism. Smith had a huge
Starting point is 00:24:27 collection of old 78 records, all of them things that had been issued commercially in the late 1920s and early 30s, when the record industry had been in a temporary boom before the Depression. Many of these records have been very popular in the 20s, but by 1952, even the most popular acts, like Blind Lemon Jefferson or the Carter family, were largely forgotten. So Smith and Mo Ash, the owner of Folkways Records, took advantage of the new medium, the long playing album, and put together a six-album set of those recordings, not bothering with trivialities like copyright, even though, again, most of these had been recorded for major labels only 20 or so years earlier. But at this time, there was not
Starting point is 00:25:13 really such a thing as a market for back catalogue, and none of the record labels involved seemed to have protested. Smith's collection was an idiosyncratic one, based around his own tastes. It ran the gamut from hard blues, to the Carter family's country recordings of old ballads that date back centuries, to gospel, but put together in one place. These records suggested the existence of a uniquely American roots music tradition, one that encompassed all these genres, and Smith's anthology became the favourite music of the same type of people who in the UK around the same time were becoming skifflers, many of them radical leftists who had been part of the US equivalent of the Trad Jazz Movement, who were known as Moldy Figs, and were attracted by the idea of an
Starting point is 00:27:44 authentic music of the working man. The Harry Smith anthology became the core repertoire for every American folk musician of the 50s, the seed around which the whole movement crystallised. Every fokey knew every single song on those records. Those fokeyes had started playing at coffee shops in Greenwich Village, places that were known as basket houses, because they didn't charge for entry or pay the artists, but the performers could pass a basket and split whatever the audience decided to donate. Originally, the folk musicians were not especially popular, and in fact, they were booked for that reason. The main entertainment for those coffee shops was poetry, and the audience for poetry would mostly buy a single coffee and make it last all night.
Starting point is 00:28:29 The folkies were booked to come on between the poets and play a few songs to make the audience clear out to make room for a new audience to come and buy new coffees. However, some of the people got good enough that they actually started to get their own audiences, and within a short time, the roles were reversed, with the poets coming on to clear out the folk audience. Dylan's first gigs were on this circuit,
Starting point is 00:28:54 playing on bills put together by Fred Neal, a musician who was at this point mostly playing blues, songs, but who within a few years would write some of the great classics of the 60s singer-songwriter genre. By the time Dylan hit the scene, there were quite a few very good musicians in the village, and the folk scene had grown to the point that there were multiple factions. There were the Stalinists, who had coalesced around Pete Seeger, the elder state. of the scene, and who played a mixture of summer camp sing-along music and topical songs about
Starting point is 00:29:57 news events. There were the Zionists who were singing things like Havra and Aguila. There were bluegrass players, and there were the two groups that most attracted Dylan, those who sang old folk ballads, and those who sang the blues. Those latter two groups tended to cluster together, because they were smaller than the other groups, and also because of their own political views. While all of the scene were leftists, the blues and ballad singers tended either to be vaguely apolitical or to be anarchists in Trotsky acts rather than Stalinists. But they had a deeper philosophical disagreement with the Stalinists. Seeger's camp thought that the quality of a song was secondary to the social good it could do,
Starting point is 00:30:38 while the blues and ballad singers held that the important thing was the music, and any political or social good was a nice byproduct. There was a huge amount of infighting between these small groups, the narcissism of small differences, but there was one place they would all hang out. The Folklore Centre was a record and bookshop owned by a man named Izzy Young, and it was where you would go to buy every new book, to buy and sell copies of the zines that were published, and to hang out and find out who the new musicians on the scene were, and it was at the Folklore Centre that Dylan met Dave Van Monk.
Starting point is 00:31:31 I'm down, police come and they knock me down. Cocaine, run all round my brain. Van Runk was the most important musician in the blues and ballads group of folkies and was politically an anarchist who, through his connection with the Shachtmannites, a fringe left group who were more Trotskyite than the Trotskyites and whose views sometimes shaded into anarchism, was becoming converted to Marxism. A physically massive man, he'd started out as a traditional jazz guitar and banjo player, but had slowly moved on into the folk side of things through his love of blues
Starting point is 00:32:10 singers like Bessie Smith and folk blues artists like Leadbelly. Van Runk had learned a great deal from Reverend Gary Davis, a blind gospel blues singer whose technique Van Runk had studied. Van Runk was one of the few people on the village scene who was a native New Yorker, though he was from Queens rather than the village. And he was was someone who had already made a few records that Dylan had heard, mostly of the standard repertoire. Dylan consciously sought him out as the person to imitate on the scene, and he was soon regularly sleeping on Van Runk's couch, and being managed for a brief time by Van Runk's wife. Once again, Dylan was learning everything he could from the people he was around,
Starting point is 00:33:50 but he had a much bigger ambition than anyone else on the scene. A lot of people on that scene have been very bitter over the years about Dylan, but Van Runk, who did more for Dylan than anyone else on the scene, never really was. The two stopped being close once he was no more used to Dylan, as so often happened. But they remained friendly, because Van Runk was secured off in himself and his own abilities, that he didn't need the validation of being important to the big star. Van Runk was an important mentor to him for a crucial period of six months or so, and Dylan always acknowledged that,
Starting point is 00:34:25 just as Van Runk always acknowledged Dylan's talent. And that talent, at least at first, was a performing talent rather than a songwriting one. Dylan was writing songs by now, but hardly any, and when he did perform them, he was not acknowledging them. His first truly successful song, a song about nuclear war, Let Me Die in My Footsteps, He would introduce as a weaver's song, Not go, because somebody tells me that death's coming round, and I will not carry myself down to die.
Starting point is 00:35:06 When I go to my grave, my head will be high, Let me die In my footsteps Before I For the most part His repertoire was still only Woody Guthrie songs But people were amazed
Starting point is 00:35:26 By his personal charisma His humour One comparison you see time and again When people talk about his early performances His Charlie Chaplin And his singing There are so many jokes about Dylan's vocals That this sounds like a joke
Starting point is 00:35:40 But among the folk crowd His phrasing in particular as influenced by the R&B records he grew up listening to as by Guthrie, was considered utterly astonishing. Dylan started publishing some of his song lyrics in Broadside, a magazine for new topical songs, and in other magazines like Sing Out. These were associated with the communist side of the folk movement,
Starting point is 00:36:03 and Dylan had a foot in both camps through his association with Guthrie and Guthrie's friends. Through these people, he got to know Susie Rottolo, a volunteer with the Congress of Racial Equality, who became his girlfriend, and her sister Carla, who was the assistant to Alan Lomax, who was now back from the UK, and the Rottolo's played a part in Dylan's big breakthrough. The timeline that follows is a bit confused, but Carla Rottolo recorded some of the best village folk singers and wrote to John Hammond about the tape, mentioning Dylan in particular. At the same time, Hammond's son John Hammond Jr., another musician on the search
Starting point is 00:36:42 and a friend of Dylan's, apparently mentioned Dylan's and his father. Dylan was also working on Robert Shelton, the folk critic of the New York Times, who eventually gave Dylan a massive rave review for a support slot he played at Gerdie's Folk City. And the same day that review came out, eight days after Carla Rattolo's letter, Dylan was in the recording studio with the folk singer Carolyn Hester, playing harmonica on a few of her tracks, and Hammond was the producer.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Hammond had, of course, organised the Spirituals to Swing concerts which had influenced Dylan, and not only that, he'd been the person to discover Billy Holiday, and Count Basie, and Charlie Christian. He was now working for Columbia Records, where he'd just produced the first secular records for a promising new gospel singer who had decided to turn pop, named Aretha Franklin. So Hammond was an important figure in many ways, and he had a lot of last. latitude at Columbia Records. He decided to sign Dylan, and even though Mitch Miller, Columbia's head of A&R at the time, had no clue what Hammond saw in Dylan, Hammond's track record was good enough that he was allowed to get on with it and put out an album. Hammond also gave Dylan an
Starting point is 00:39:07 album to take home and listen to, a record which hadn't come out yet, a reissue of some old blues records called King of the Delta Blues Singers by Robert Johnson. There has been a hell of a lot of mythology about Johnson over the years, so much so that it's almost impossible to give anyone who's heard of him at all an accurate impression of Johnson's place in music history. One question I have been asked repeatedly since I started this podcast is, How Come You Didn't Star with Robert Johnson? And if you don't know about him, you'll get an idea of his general perception among music fans from the fact that I recently watched an episode of a science fiction TV series where our heroes had to go back in time
Starting point is 00:40:25 to stop the villains from preventing Johnson from making his recordings, because by doing that, they could stop rock and roll from ever existing. There's a popular perception that Johnson was the most important blues musician of his generation, and that he was hugely influential on the development of blues and arm and B, and it's simply false. He was a truly great musician, and he was hugely influential, but he was influential on white musicians in the 60s, not black musicians in the 30s, 40s and 50s.
Starting point is 00:40:58 In his lifetime, his best-selling record sold around 5,000 copies, which, to put it in perspective, is about the same number of people who've listened to some of my more popular podcast episodes. Johnson's biographer Elijah Wald, a man who, like I do, has huge respect for Johnson's musicianship, has said, knowing about Johnson and Muddy Waters, but not about Leroy Carr or Dinah Washington,
Starting point is 00:41:22 is like knowing about, say, the Sir Douglas Quintet, but not knowing about the Beatles. I'd agree, except that the Sir Douglas Quintet were much, much bigger in the 60s than Robert Johnson was in the 30s. Johnson's reputation comes entirely from that album that Hammond had handed Dylan. Hammond had been one of the tiny number of people who had actually listened to Johnson at the time he was performing. Indeed, Hammond had wanted to get Johnson to perform at the spirituals to swing concerts. only to find that Johnson had died only a short time earlier. They'd got Big Bill Bruinsie to play in his place and played a couple of Johnson's records from the stage.
Starting point is 00:42:02 That had, in fact, kick-started Brunsey's later second career as a folk blues musician playing for largely white audiences, rather than as a photo-Chicago blues performer playing for black ones. Hammond's friend Alan Lomax had also been a fan of Johnson. He'd gone to Mississippi later to try to record Johnson, also without having realised that Johnson had died. But far from Johnson being the single most important blues musician of the 30s, as he has now portrayed in popular culture,
Starting point is 00:42:31 if you'd asked most blues musicians or listeners about Robert Johnson in the 23 years between his death and the King of the Delta Blues Singers album coming out, most of them would have looked at you blankly, or maybe asked if you meant Lonnie Johnson, the much more famous musician who was a big inspiration for Robert. When King of the Delta Blues Singers came out, it changed all that, and made Robert Johnson into a totemic figure among white blues fans, and we'll see over the next year or two a large number of very important musicians who took
Starting point is 00:43:00 inspiration from him, and deservedly so. While the myth of Robert Johnson has almost no connection to the real man, his music demonstrated a remarkable musical mind. He was a versatile, skilled guitarist and arranger, and someone whose musical palette was far wider than his recorded legacy suggests. Rambling Johnny Shines, who travelled with Johnson for a time, describes him as particularly enjoying playing songs like, Yes Sir, That's My Baby, and Jimmy Rogers songs, and Polkers, calling Johnson a polka hound man, and even though in his handful of recording sessions he was asked only to play blues, you can still hear elements of that. But the music wasn't the main thing that grabbed Dylan.
Starting point is 00:44:15 Dylan played the album for Dave Van Runk, who was unimpressed. musically, Johnson just didn't seem very original to Van Monk, who played Dylan records by Skip James, Leroy Carr and others, showing Dylan where Johnson had picked up most of his musical ideas, and Dylan had to agree with him that Johnson didn't sound particularly original in that context. But he also didn't care, reasoning that many of the Woody Guthrie songs he loved were rewrites of old Carter family songs, so if Johnson was rewriting Leroy Carr songs, that was fair enough.
Starting point is 00:44:47 What got to Dylan was Johnson's performance style, but also his ability with words. Johnson had a very sparse, economical, lyrical style, which connected with Dylan on a primordial level. Most of those who became fans of Johnson following the release of King of the Delta Blues singers, saw Johnson as an exotic and scary figure. The myth commonly told about him is that he sold his soul at a crossroads to the devil in return for the ability to play the guitar, though that's a myth. that was originally told about a different Mississippi blues man called Tommy Johnson, and there's no evidence that anyone thought that of him at the time.
Starting point is 00:45:25 And so these later fans see his music as being haunted. Dylan instead seems to see Johnson as someone very like himself. In his autobiography, Chronicles, Dylan talks about Johnson being a bothersome kid who played harmonica, who was later taught a bit of guitar and then learned the rest of his music from records, rather than from live performers. Dylan's version of Johnson is closer to the reality, as far as we know it, than the Johnson of Legend is, and Dylan seems to have been delighted when he found out much later
Starting point is 00:45:56 that the name of the musician who taught Johnson to play guitar was Aik Zimmerman. Dylan immediately tried to incorporate Johnson's style into his own songwriting, and we'll see the effects of that in future episodes. But that songwriting wouldn't be seen much on his debut album, and nor would his Woody Guthrie repertoire. Instead, Dylan performed a set of traditional ballads and blues numbers, most of which he never performed live normally, and at least half of which were arrangements that Dylan copied wholesale from Dave Van Runk. The album was recorded quickly in a couple of days. Hammond found Dylan incredibly difficult to work with,
Starting point is 00:47:02 saying he had appalling mic technique, and for many of the songs Dylan refused to do a second take. There were only two originals on the album. One, Talk in New York, was a comedy talking blues around his early time in New York, very much in the style of Woody Guthrie's Talking Blues songs. The other, song to Woody, was a rewrite of his earlier song for Bonnie.
Starting point is 00:47:24 which was itself a rewrite of Guthrie's 1913 massacre. The song is a touching one, Dylan Paying tribute to his single biggest influence. Dylan was moving on, and he knew he was moving on, but he had to say goodbye. Dylan's first album was not a success, and he became known within Columbia Records as Hammond's Folly, but nor did it lose money, since it was recorded so quickly. It's a record that Dylan and Hammond both later spoke poorly of, but it's one I rather like, and one of the best things to come out of the Greenwich Village folk scene. But by the time it came out, Dylan's artistic heart was already elsewhere, and when we come
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