A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs - Song 180: “Dazed and Confused” by Led Zeppelin, Part Two — “Inspiration is What You Are to Me”

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

For those who haven’t heard the announcement I posted, songs from this point on will sometimes be split among multiple episodes, so this is the second part of a two-episode look at the song “Daze...d and Confused” by Led Zeppelin, although this episode doesn’t get as far as Led Zeppelin’s formation, and is mostly about the intertwining session careers of John Paul Jones and (especially) Jimmy Page. Click the full post to read liner notes, links to more information, and a transcript of the episode. Patreon backers also have a thirty-eight minute bonus episode available, on “Jim’s Blues” by P.J. Proby. Tilt Araiza has assisted invaluably by editing, and will hopefully be doing so from now on. Check out Tilt’s irregular podcasts at http://www.podnose.com/jaffa-cakes-for-proust and http://sitcomclub.com/ (more…)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A History of rock music in 500 songs by Andre Hig. Song 180 Dazed and Confused by Led Zeppelin Part 2 Inspiration That's What You Are to Me Before we begin This episode contains some brief discussion of sex with underage girls attempted rape and drug and alcohol abuse
Starting point is 00:00:28 If those subjects are likely to upset you, you may wish to read the transcript or skip this episode. When Jimmy Page, Peter Grant and Chris Dreher started their plans for the new yardbirds, Paige, who, from the start, was going to be the leader of this band, had to make a simple choice between art and commerce. On the one hand, the music page was listening to most at the time was acoustic folk music,
Starting point is 00:00:54 music not a million miles away from what the other ex-yardbirds were doing actually. He was a fan of the English folk baroque guitar styles of Bert Janche and Davy Graham, and the music he enjoyed most at this point was by people like Pentangle or the Incredible String Band, who were combining English traditional music, psychedelic rock music and jazz to create something utterly unlike anything that had been heard before. But on the other hand, Jimmy Page also liked money. He liked money a lot. This is the character trait that gets brought up more than any other by anyone who has spent any time at all around him. Peter Grant once said,
Starting point is 00:01:59 If you want to bump off Jimmy Page, all you have to do is throw tuppence in front of a London bus. He intended this new band to be a major, major success, and one he would have full control of. He and Grant formed their own company, Super Hype, which was to own everything involving the band, with Grant taking care of the business and Page the artistry. The deal, much like that between Frankie Valley and Bob Gordio,
Starting point is 00:02:25 was done on a handshake. Grant would never have a contract with any musicians he managed and Page and Grant both knew that there were only two ways of making money as a British band. You needed to focus on either Britain or America. If you were going to focus on Britain, you needed to have hit singles and lots of them. The British pop industry always moved fast. You were only as good as your last hit record, and if you had had a hit three months ago, everyone wanted to know what you'd done lately.
Starting point is 00:02:54 and as the Yard Bird's recent experience had proved, there was no guarantee of getting a hit record no matter what you did. They'd had one of the most successful producers, whose formula had worked for everyone from Donovan to Lulu, and a track record of top 40 hits with their earlier lineups, and yet everything they'd done for a couple of years had flopped. But in America there was a new way of getting successful, which didn't require hit singles.
Starting point is 00:03:19 There was a circuit of large venues, largely put together by Frank Barcelona at Premier Talent Agency, a booking agency which specialised in mock bands, the first agency to do so. Barcelona divided the US up into territories and had preferred venues and promoters in each territory, people we've heard of before, like Don Law and Bill Graham. Between that circuit and the new FM radio stations that was bringing up,
Starting point is 00:03:45 primarily in college towns, and which played album tracks rather than singles, It was now possible for a particular kind of band to make a great deal of money by playing America without a hit single at all. But the kind of band that was having success in the US at this point wasn't playing psychedelic folk. The bands that were having that kind of success were playing what was being called heavy music. Bands like I Am Butterfly. If you know that I'm love in a god of a beat up, baby, don't you know that a heart? If you wanted to have reliable success then, you wanted to target America, and you wanted to play heavy music.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So Page had a choice. Should he play heavy music and make money? Or should he play music inspired by the folk guitarist he was seeing at Les Cousins and make the music he wanted to make? He ended up deciding to do both. He was going to make music that would pay a lot of attention to dynamics. Most of the bands that were having success in America were doing extended heavy jams. for ones that had very little dynamic variation. They would start at one level of intensity and stay there,
Starting point is 00:05:17 with people taking solos and maybe getting faster and louder towards the end. But the main effect was a hypnotic entrancing one. The audience would get lost in the music as it lasted for 10, 15, 20 or however many minutes. But Page was going to make music with loud, heavy passages, and, often in the same song, with quiet, folkier passages, inspired by people like Bert Janj, John Rembone and Davy Graham. There was going to be light and shade in this music, applying a pop session player's sense of dynamics and structure,
Starting point is 00:05:50 a folk guitarist technique, and the old yard birds rave-up formula, to the new heavier rock music. The plan he came up with was to put together a band on the same lines as the Jeff Beck group or The Who, a group in fact that would be much like the one that had recorded Bex Bolero a couple of years earlier. He would be the only guitarist,
Starting point is 00:06:11 and there would be a front man with a great voice, Dreia on bass, and the best drummer he could find. The only problem was that he couldn't actually find a front man or a drummer, at least at first. He had multiple ideas for both, of course, but nobody was interested. For the drummer, he approached among others B.J. Wilson, the drummer with Procal Haram,
Starting point is 00:06:30 who had played with him on the session for Joe Cockers with a little help for my friends, Ainsley Dunbar, the drummer with the Jeff Beckwith, and Clem Cotini, who, after leaving the tornadoes, had become one of Britain's top session drummers. The first two turned the job down, sticking with the bands they were in, while Katini never got back to Peter Grant about the offer, as he was too busy playing sessions. Katini has since played on dozens of UK number one hit for everyone from Benny Hill 12 in Stardust.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Similarly, he was unable to find a singer to join the New Yardbirds. Page's initial thought for a lead singer, according to Richard, Cole was Danny Hutton, a session singer for Hannah Barbera records who had had one minor hit under his own name with roses and rainbows, which had made number 73 in the US. But as we heard in the episodes I've never learned not to love, Hutton had formed his own new group, which was soon to be one of the biggest groups of the 70s, Three Dog Night. So instead, Page started looking around London. He considered a few people, but Steve Winwood was busy with traffic, Marriott was just about to leave the small faces, but Page was still wary of Don Arden's threats
Starting point is 00:08:09 of violence against anyone who poached him, and Joe Cocker and Chris Farlow were both having successful solo careers. The next singer he turned to was Terry Reid, the former lead singer of Peter Jay and the Jaywalkers, who had been on the same bill as the yard birds on the Rolling Stones and Icontina Turntour in 1966. Reed was interested, but there were three different stories, all of which might partly be true. One, the one Reid always told, and which seems plausible, is that Reid had agreed to do two US tours supporting the Rolling Stones and told Page that he couldn't join Page's new band
Starting point is 00:09:14 unless he got compensated for the lost income from those tours. Another, the way that some of those associated with super hype told the story, is that Peter Grant mentioned in the office that Page wanted Terry Reid to be the singer of his new group, and Mickey Most, who, at the time, was working with Grant, quickly signed Reed up to a solo contract and groomed him for stardom, not letting his new client join the band his associate was managing. And the third story, as told by Peter Grant,
Starting point is 00:09:43 is that Grant was against the idea because Reed was already signed with the most organisation. Grant had worked with him and found Reid's father too difficult, and dissuaded Page from going with him. Reed instead stayed as a solo artist, working with most, who produced several attempts that hit singles for him, like his version of Super Lungs My Supergirl, Donovan's disturbing song about 14-year-old girls. Reid, who died last month, was regarded by most of his peers as the best blues rock singer in Britain, but most planned to make him a star was very far from successful.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Reed's only entry in the UK charts in any capacity was an archival album he released in 2016, spending one week at number 95 on the album charts, although he would go on to be a respected cult artist. But while he didn't end up singing in the new yard birds, he did end up pointing the way to the man who would. Reid, once it became clear that he wasn't going to take the job, suggested to Page that he and Drea go to the West Midlands to see a singer he'd often been on the same bill as.
Starting point is 00:11:15 And so it was that Paige and Drea visited the West Midlands College of Education in Walsall to see a band with the ridiculous name, Obstweedle. A lot of sources have the band name as Hobbs Tweedle with an H. but that's probably people mistranscribing a brummy accent. There were posters that clearly show the spelling. The band were unimpressive, but the lead singer, Robert Plant, was much better than the band he was performing with.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Plant was several years younger than Page, only 19 years old at the time while Page was 24, but he was already a veteran performer, though up to that point an unsuccessful one. Plant, like almost every kid born in the late 40s, had become a big Elvis fan as a small child, But by the time he was 13 or 14, he was already something of a budding scholar of the blues, getting a paper round and using the money to buy records like Robert Johnson's King of the Delta blues singers.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Saying later, When I first heard preaching blues and last fair deal gone down by Robert Johnson, I went, This is it. By the time he was 15, he was a fair blues harmonica player and had ambitions of being a singer. He sat in with the band of school friends, the jury men, when their singer got ill. Although they wouldn't let him stay with the band once the singer got better, as they all had band uniforms and didn't have one that fit him.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Age 16, he went to his first proper blues show, seeing Sonny Boy Williamson 2 in Birmingham, honourable with several British actors who have intersected this story in one way or another. The Yard Birds, the Spencer Davis Group, whose vocalist Steve Winwood, would later briefly be considered by Page for the New Yardbirds, and Long John Baldry and his Hoochy Coochie Men, featuring Rod Stewart. At that show, Plant went up to Williamson at a urinal and tried to introduce himself. When Williamson reacted as one might expect,
Starting point is 00:13:33 Plant sneaked into his dressing room and stole the harmonica as revenge. Coincidentally, Page had, precisely a month before, recorded an album with Williamson for Giorgio Gimelski. In the graveyard Dead asleep All that money you got for me The band Bands
Starting point is 00:14:02 Plants spent the next few years singing in a variety of local blues bands with names like The Crawling King Snakes and Black Snake Mown on the fringe of Birmingham's R&B scene bands from the area were getting
Starting point is 00:14:28 signed up at this point in the hope that Birmingham would be the next Liverpool some, like the Spencer Davis group or the Moody Blues would have some success. But others, like the Senators, whose Cheez-A-Mod opened the Brumbeak compilation, were no hit wonders. None of the bands Plant was in got even that far, though,
Starting point is 00:15:18 and his parents were encouraging him to become an accountant, even though by the age of 16 he already knew that he only ever wanted to make music. It was after a gig with the crawling kingsnakes that Robert Plank first met John Bonham, the drummer on that track by the Senators we just heard. Bonham was three months older than Plant but was already married and would soon have his first child. Bonham had played with many bands around the Birmingham area, playing at one time or another with several future members of the Moody Blues, and with Roy Wood and Trevor Burton, later of the move.
Starting point is 00:15:49 At the time he was in a band called Way of Life, whose bass player Dave Pegg would later go on to join Fairport Convention. Bonham came up to Plant and told him that his band were great, but that their drummer was rubbish and that he was better. Soon Bonham was the drummer with the crawling king snakes and he and Plank became friends But Bonham had a habit of either quitting bands Because he was known as the best one around the scene
Starting point is 00:16:13 And so he'd get a better offer Or being fired Because he was a large player who had drowned out the other band members And had very little discipline and would show off Soon he had quit the crawling king snakes And been lured back to way of life at a higher pay rate When Bonham left The group split up
Starting point is 00:16:29 And Plant moved on to another local band the Tennessee Teens, who renamed themselves Listen and modelled their stage show after the move, who had become the biggest band yet to come from the West Midlands. However, Plant almost became the singer with a different band. Neville Holder, who also had occasionally been eroded for bands that Plant was in, was playing rhythm guitar with the band called the Inbetweens, and suggested that they should get Plant in as their singer. However, their bass player, Jim Lee, vetoed it, saying that if they got in a fifth member, they would make less money each. So Holder continued as the lead singer of the in-betweens,
Starting point is 00:17:05 who was shortly to change their name, firstly to Ampho Slade, and then to the name by which they became famous, Slade. Both Listen and the In-Betweens would often play the same bills, were booked by the same agents, and were good friends. So what happened next is all the more surprising. Listen got signed to CBS records on the strength of Plant's voice and put out a single,
Starting point is 00:17:28 a cover version of The Rascals, you better run. which was actually planned back by session musicians as the label didn't think the rest of the band were up to scratch. But unbeknownst to them, the in-betweens had also got a record deal, and their first record came out the same day as Listen's record. And it too was a cover version of You Better Run by The Rascals, produced by Jimmy Page's old acquaintance Kim Fowley, who at the time had moved to the UK.
Starting point is 00:18:23 and was living with PJ Proby. The receptionist from the booking agency that booked them both claimed in one biography of Plant that at one point she actually had noddy holder on one phone line and Robert Plant on the other, both asking her which record she liked best. For the record, she told them both that she preferred theirs, but she secretly preferred the in-betweens version.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Unsurprisingly, since both bands were playing to the same audiences in the same area, neither record was the success at all. a shame, as both are actually very good records. The lack of success caused Listen to split up, and Plant was making so little money he had to move in with his girlfriend and her parents and live off the money she was making as a shop assistant. He was 18 at this point,
Starting point is 00:19:40 and promised her that if he hadn't become a star by the time he was 20, he would give up music. After Listen had split up, CBS, who had only been interested in Plant anyway, decided to go ahead with a solo career for him. his first single, Our song, appears to be an attempt to give Plant the kind of career that Tom Jones or Engelberg's humperding had. Plant hated the experience of recording that track, apparently needing 90 takes to get a performance the producer was satisfied with, and the record only sold 800 copies.
Starting point is 00:20:40 A follow-up did know better, and Plant was dropped by the label. For a while he tried to have a career in cabaret, using the stage name Robert Lee, and he also briefly sang with a big band whose leader knew his father, but he was getting nowhere and having to supplement his income by working on a building site. Plant was, though, starting to get inspired by the new music coming from the West Coast of America.
Starting point is 00:21:04 In particular, there were three bands he would always cite as major inspirations. Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield, and especially love. As he said in 1970, all that music from the West Coast just went bang, and there was nothing else there for me after that. Three years before I had been shuddering listening to Sonny Boy Williamson. Now I was sobbing to Arthur Lee. Arthur Lee would continue to be one of Plant's biggest vocal influences
Starting point is 00:21:29 throughout his career, and while Plant kept his blues influences, he now wanted to make music like the West Coast musicians. He was also starting to get influenced by bands like The Incredible String Band, and other bands were played on John Peel's radio show with The Perfumed Garden. Over the course of 1967 and early 1968, Plant was in three different bands, all called Band of Joy. When he got himself fired from the first group,
Starting point is 00:21:54 he formed a second band of the same name, who performed with war paint on their faces. The original band of Joy carried on for a while, but changed their name to the Good Egg, when Plant's band started to become more successful. Then the members of the second band of Joy quit and Plank formed the third band of Joy, including the keyboard player and bassist from the original one, along with his old drummer from the Crawling Kingsnakes John Bonham,
Starting point is 00:22:17 and guitarist Kevin Gammon, who had previously played with the great reggae singer Jimmy Cliff. Bonham's bandmate from Way of Life, Dave Pegg, also briefly joined the band, but didn't end up sticking around. This third line-up of the band of Joy toured around the UK, playing venues like the Marquis in London and the Club of Gogo in Newcastle, as well as doing a brief tour of support for Tim Rose,
Starting point is 00:22:40 the folk singer who popularised Hey Joe and Morning Dew, and who had been in a band with Jake Holmes, as we heard last episode. The Band of Joy also recorded a few demos, mostly cover versions of the kind of songs that Plant now enjoyed, like a version of Buffalo Springfields for what it's worth, and a version of Hey Joe which was modeled a Moses arrangement. Also the model for Jimmy Hendrix's hip,
Starting point is 00:23:02 with the song, but with Plants' vocals sounding more influenced by Arthur Lee's singing on Love's faster version of the song. But no record label was interested in the band of Joy, and Bonham left the group to play with Tim Rose. Bonham was only with Rose for a short while, but he played on at least one BBC session for John Peel's show, with Rose. Of the four tracks for that session, the one that shows Bonham's playing ability after most is a version of the old banjo standard Foggy Mountain Breakdown, retitled, Foggy Mountain Breakdown on Mai with Mustard, which has definite signs of Bonham's later style. With Bonham gone, the band of Joy split up.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Trevor Burton of the move had given Tony Secunda, the move's manager, a copy of their demo, and Plant and Gownd recorded another demo for Secunder, but that came to nothing. Plant then hooked up briefly with Alexis Corner, returning to his blues route, and the two recorded a couple of tracks together with Corner's piano player Steve Miller,
Starting point is 00:24:58 not the American guitarist of the same name, which are the first recordings that show off what Plant could actually do on vocals and harmonica. For the first time, Plant was actually singing in a studio, like Robert Plant. Corner was vaguely interested in recording more with Plant, maybe doing an album together, but Plant was also very aware that he was about to hit that deadline of 20,
Starting point is 00:25:51 the point at which he'd have to quit music and get a real job if he wasn't successful. And that was all the more pressing as his fiancé was pregnant. While he was waiting for stuff to happen with Corner, he formed another band, Obs Tweedle, with his friend Bill Bonham. No relation to John, and they started playing pubs around Birmingham, playing the same Moby Grape and Love covers that the band of Joy had been playing. And it was that band that Jimmy Page, Chris Dreher and Peter Grant came to see, on the 20th of July, 1968, one month to the day before Plant's 20th birthday and the promised end of his music career. Before the gig, Paige mistook Plant for a roadie, but when he saw Plant on stage he was bowled over by his performance.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Page's only concern was that someone with that much obvious star power who hadn't already been discovered must have something wrong with him. Was he impossible to work with or something? But still, Paige was desperate for a singer, and even if Plant turned out to be difficult, he was obviously good. Plant got back to his lodgings a few days later to find a telegram from Peter Grant, saying, priority Robert Plant
Starting point is 00:26:56 tried phoning you several times please call if you are interested in joining the yard birds Now Plant had a decision to make Jim Lee, the in-between's bass player would later relate a conversation he had with Plant where Plant was talking about the yard birds offer but saying he would rather play the blues with corner than play pop with the yard birds
Starting point is 00:27:15 but then at the end of the night he saw Lee drive off in his sports car the in-betweens hadn't yet had a hit record but they were making serious money as a live act and shouted, "'Nice car, I guess I'll have to start playing pop.' Planned went down to meet up with Paige at Page's house in Pangbourne, which he found hugely impressive, and which rather confirmed for him that he'd made the right choice,
Starting point is 00:27:37 at least financially, in joining what he had assumed was a pop band. But what both men found, more importantly, was that they were sympathetic musically. Their tastes didn't perfectly align. Page had no time for bands like Love and Buffalo Springfield who planned a dood, but they both liked the pop R&B of the Spencer Davis group and the small faces. They both liked the blues, and they both had a love of folk music. In particular, Page played Plant one of his favourite records, Joan Baez's version of Andredans, Babe, I'm going to leave you.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Both agreed that that was exactly the kind of material that they wanted to do, and that they could work up something interesting from it. But they still needed a drummer. Page had asked most of the session players in you, and they had all turned him down, as had Keith Moon. But Plant had a suggestion, his old friend John Bonham. Page and Grant went off to see Bonham play with Tim Rose and were impressed. Bonham, at least at first, was less impressed with the idea of joining the yardbirds.
Starting point is 00:29:04 He was making more money with Rose than he had ever made before, and not only that but a lot of big-name singers were after him to join their bands, including some, like Chris Farlow and Joe Cocker, who Paige had played with and had considered for his new yardbirds. why would he want to join a bunch of hasbeens? And not only that, but Bonham's wife was dead set against the idea. Not the idea of joining the yard birds, but of going off with Robert Plant,
Starting point is 00:29:28 who she thought of as someone who dreamed big but never actually had any success. Bonham had twice been in bands with Plant, and twice had gone nowhere. He had a good job now making 40 quid a week, and here came his old mate Plant once again trying to drag him off on a harebrained scheme. Eventually, though, Bonham agreed.
Starting point is 00:29:47 partly it was for the opportunity to be part of a band, to help shape the material he was playing rather than just playing a frontman's songs, though Bonham was never someone who hid his light under a bushel. He would play five-minute solos during Tim Rose's sets, for example. But also it was because Page wanted him so much that he offered to give him a vastly increased salary. Early on in the new band's career, everything was coming out of Page's pocket, and rather than getting equal shares, the other three band members were his employees. and so Page offered to pay Bonham £25 a show for UK gigs, £50 for European gigs, and £100 for American ones,
Starting point is 00:30:23 and they already had a 10-date Scandinavian tour lined up. He'd be making more in a night from the New Yardbirds than he made in a week with Tim Rose. That was enough to sway both Bonham and his wife, and he agreed to turn up for a rehearsal on the 12th of August. But actually, there was still one member of the New Yardbirds to join. As far as I can tell, nobody has ever given a clear, answer as to why Chris Dreher, the only original member of the yard birds still with the band, didn't stick with the new yardbirds. He was still involved with the planning on the 20th of July,
Starting point is 00:30:54 when he went with Paige to see Plant, but by the 12th of August, when the new band rehearsed for the first time, he was out. Depending on which version of the narrative you read, either he decided he didn't want to carry on in the music business and wanted to be a photographer, and left Page looking for a new bass player. Or, he bowed out gracefully with no hard feelings when Page got an offer of from a better player. Either way, Drea wouldn't make music again until the early 80s, when he and his former Yardbirds bandmates Paul Samwell Smith and Jim McCarty formed a new band, Box of Frogs, and then Dreyer and McCarty toured with a new lineup of Yardbirds from 1992 through 2013, when Dreher retired due to ill health. In his place came Page's old session
Starting point is 00:31:37 colleague John Paul Jones. Jones had been getting antsy about playing sessions ever since a few months earlier when he played a super session album titled No Introduction Necessary, which on various tracks had featured Paige, Clemcateen, the drummer that Paige had considered for his new band, Big Jim Sullivan, Albert Lee and Nicky Hopkins, all backing a new singer named Keith de Groot and a bunch of Rockabilly covers. Well, I'm making all right, Monday morning till Friday night. Oh, those lonely weekends.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Jones had me, I'm as lonesome as I can be. Oh, those lonely weekends said you'd be true to me. Jones had enjoyed that, just jarring with a bunch of his friends, a lot more than he enjoyed most sessions. He'd been able just to play music that they all liked, rather than playing whatever rubbish some producer he didn't respect wanted him to play, and he hadn't had to write orchestral charts. He'd been making a lot of money as a session-based player and arranger, but he was getting burned out.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Like John Bonham, he wanted to make music that would be his, not music that other people wanted. His wife suggested him that he might want to join a band rather than keep playing sessions, and initially he told her that there were no bands were worth joining. He wanted to play with good musicians. But then she told him that she'd seen in one of the music magazines that Jimmy Page was forming a band, and suggested he'd get in touch. Jones had obviously played a lot with Page and was impressed with his musicianship
Starting point is 00:33:17 and so called Page up and said that if he wanted a bass player Jones was available Dreher said later I wasn't John Paul Jones and Jimmy McCarty was not John Bonham These were the pivotal players who created that sound I knew about John Paul and I thought you're not going to top that Jimmy you're a lucky man there
Starting point is 00:33:35 at that point he was a better bass player than Jimmy was a guitar player and of course he understood music There was no way I was going to interface myself between him joining the band. And you couldn't have met a nicer guy. What a real ace gentleman he was. The four men met up on August 12th, 1968 for their first rehearsal.
Starting point is 00:33:55 It was a bit cautious at first. Planton Bonham had never met Jones, and the band members all had wildly disparate tastes in music, though there was some overlap. They had to get a set together quickly for the Yardbirds tour that was going to take place soon, and so Paige was casting around for songs they all knew and couldn't find any. He suggested Train kept a roll in, the R. Bird's
Starting point is 00:34:16 live staple, and quickly told Jones, who had never heard the song, what the chords were. The song would become part of the new band's live set for the next year or two. The new band immediately jelled, and after playing that one song, they knew that they could work together. There were still some problems initially. Bonham had a tendency to overplay. He could play with sensitivity restraint. He just often chose not to. That problem was solved relatively quickly by Peter Grant explaining to Bonham that Jimmy Page was the boss, and if Page told Bonham to be more restrained, Bonham would either be more restrained, or he would be both out of the band and out of the nearest window. Bonham took the lesson to heart, and many people have credited this decision to tame
Starting point is 00:35:28 Bonham's wild man excesses, with allowing him to grow and become someone who played for the song, rather than just to show off. Though have no doubt about it, Bonham would always show off. Bonham and Jones became the new band's secret weapon. Page as the guitar hero and Planters the frontman got all the attention, but almost every musician whoever talks about the band
Starting point is 00:35:48 that formed that day talks about the rhythm section. Bonham's influence from jazz musicians like Gene Kruper, his boyhood idol, and Jones' arrangement skills and the influence of Motown bass player James James James James James. were very different from the influences of most of the rock bands coming up, who already were mostly only listening to other rock bands. As mentioned last episode,
Starting point is 00:36:09 at this point Jones only had two rock albums, revolver and pet sounds, and was far more interested in soul than rock. They quickly worked up a set of Old Yard Bird's live favourites like Train Kept a Rowling and Dazed and confused. Blues covers like Howling Wolfe's How Many More Years, their version of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, and a couple of soul covers that plant had been performing with Obs Tweedle.
Starting point is 00:36:33 The new group were good and they knew it and worked well together, though there was some amusement among the other three when, at the end of the rehearsal, Paige insisted on them all chipping in a few pence for the beans on toasted east during a break. There was just one problem before the band could go much further though, and that was Mickey Most. Page absolutely did not want Mickey Most to produce anything his new band did. He had hated the experience of working on the yard-birds track, with most, and he had heard bad things about the way that most had taken control of the
Starting point is 00:37:02 Jeff Beck Group sessions and sidelined their singer Rod Stewart. Terry Reid later said of his discussions about joining the band. Jimmy was only in the yard buds for five minutes, but he wasn't going to allow a repeat of the album with Mickey. Nobody was going to produce the new group but Jimmy. But Grant had to deal with most that Grant would look after the management and most the production of every artist either took on. There was only one thing for it. Grant would have to con his old friend out of millions. Grant told most that he had been given only a short time to live, and he wanted to leave as much money as possible to his wife and kids.
Starting point is 00:37:37 Would Mickey see his way to giving up his half of Jimmy Page's new group so that Peter could make as much money from them as possible in what little time he had left? Most agreed, and now the new group were free to record their first album. their scenes for the tan age magazines, I had my picture taken with the Mur. How about that? Got a long-hurt, lanky girl.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Their first album, of course, being three-week hero by the has-beencruna, P.J. Proby. Jones had been hired as a ranger, contractor, and bass player for Proby's first of many attempts at comeback albums. Put in charge of getting the musicians together for the sessions, he chose
Starting point is 00:38:36 Page as one of the guitarists, gave Bonham his first session work as one of two drummers for the album, and got Plant in on tambourine, harmonica and backing vocals to give his new bandmate a bit of extra cash. After that the group went on their Scandinavian tour. There's not much been written about that tour, surprisingly, and sadly no recordings of the shows appear to exist anywhere. But it became very clear, very quickly, that this new version of the yard birds was something special. Plant was the one the other three were worried about, and would be for a while, but the new group still wondering if he was the right man for
Starting point is 00:39:09 for the job almost a year into their career, because compared to the others, he had far less experience. But some of those worries, at least, were put to rest at the show in Stockholm, where Plants' mic broke halfway through the show and he carried on, and his voice was powerful enough that the audience could still hear him, even over the extremely loud instruments. When they got back to the UK,
Starting point is 00:39:29 they were tight enough that Page decided that even though the new group didn't have a record deal yet, they should go into the studio and record the set they'd been playing. The group was still at this point performing, as the new yard birds, but a strongly worded letter from Chris Dreher's lawyers, pointing out that they'd only been given the rights of the name for the Scandinavian shows, caused a rethink, and they changed their name to Led Zeppelin, after Keith Moon's joke about the Bex-Berrero session.
Starting point is 00:39:56 And also it didn't hurt that the combination of a heavy metal and something flying was reminiscent of Iron Butterfly, who were currently very big in the US. The album would also be called Led Zeppelin, though now it's normally referred to as Led Zeppelin 1. to distinguish it from their later albums. The album would be entirely funded by Page, with no advance from a record company, so it had to be recorded quickly.
Starting point is 00:40:19 They recorded it in Olympic Studios over a period of nine days, with Glyn Johns. Paige's old friend who had recommended him for his very first session work, engineering. Or at least that's how Johns is credited on the final album. As we will see, though, credits can be deceiving. Johns was one of the most sought-after engineers of the period.
Starting point is 00:40:39 He engineered almost all the Stones as UK recordings from 1965 through the mid-70s, as well as records by the Small Faces, Chris Farlow, Pentangle, The Move and many more. And a few months after recording the Led Zeppelin album, he would be the de facto producer of the Beatles Get Back sessions. When Page asked him to engineer an album by his new band, Johns pointed out that if there was no producer other than the band, Johns would end up essentially being the producer, and so he wanted production credit and a percentage, as was standard.
Starting point is 00:41:11 As he said later, I went to see Peter in Oxford Street and said I needed to get an agreement, and he said no problem. We agreed a percentage of the retail price which was normal, and we shook hands. I wouldn't normally have gone into the studio without a contract, but because I've known Jimmy and John Paul since we were virtually kids, it never entered my mind that there would be anything amiss.
Starting point is 00:41:33 According to Johns, the production was split, with Page and Jones doing the arrangements while Johns took care of the sonic side of things. But Page was the sole creditor to produce on the finished album, and Johns would never work with Paige again, though Johns' brother Andy engineered several subsequent Led Zeppelin albums. In these sessions, Johns accidentally discovered a new technique for recording drums,
Starting point is 00:41:56 which he would make a trademark of his work in later years. He had moved one of the mics he usually used for recording drums to record a guitar overdub on one track, and when he put the mic back he forgot to put it back on the same track as the other drums. When he listened back to the next song recorded, he realised that for the first time he had recorded drums in stereo and that it made them sound much bigger than his previous technique
Starting point is 00:42:18 of just giving one track to the drums. He rearranged the mics so both the floor tom and snare mic were now pointing at the snare, but from opposite directions equidistant from it and panned the tracks half left and half right rather than have everything in the centre. The result was a bigger drum sound than he had ever achieved before, though it's also the case that Bonham was allowed a player than most.
Starting point is 00:42:40 It's worth noting as well that Jimmy Page's solo production credit, as well as erasing Johns' contributions, also erased those of the other band members, particularly Jones, who everyone involved claims had a far bigger hand in the arrangements than he ever got credit for, possibly more so than Page. Indeed, the first Led Zeppelin album is a fascinating example of how credits don't always tell the full story about who did what, and also of how there's a continuum from totally original
Starting point is 00:43:07 through totally plagiarized, with songs falling everywhere on that continuum. The album was made up of the set they've been performing live, and so many of the songs evolved from jams on cover versions, and sometimes the band didn't do a wonderful job of erasing their origins. Of the nine tracks on the album, only two of the tracks now have the same songwriting credits on current issues that they had in the beginning.
Starting point is 00:43:30 and one of those two arguably shouldn't. So let's go through the album track by track and look at where they drew from. The album opens with Good Times Bad Times, a song that is part of the originality end of our continuum. The track was originally credited to Page, Jones and Bonham, but more recent releases have Plant credited as a writer as well. Plant was originally not given any songwriting credits on the album at all,
Starting point is 00:44:23 supposedly because he was still under contract to CBS, the label he'd recorded his singles for. That makes little sense to me because that contract would have covered him as a singer not a songwriter, and in which case it would surely be more important not to credit him for his vocals, but maybe he also had a publishing contract with them as part of the deal.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Either way, Plant's name has now been added to five of the songs. The song was primarily a collaboration between Page who wrote the chorus and Jones who came up with the riff on a Hammond organ. The song is a totally original one, though even the most original of songs has influences from other people. In this case, Bonham's drum part is inspired by a much simpler part that Carman a piece played on the Vanilla Fudge's cover version of Ticket to Ride.
Starting point is 00:45:07 And according to a piece, one of Led Zeppelin also told him that Jones's riff was inspired by Tim Bogart's bass playing on the same track. Though this seems unlikely to me, because, as I've said, Jones was almost completely ignorant of heavy rock music at the time. The next song, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, was miscredited. But the fault was, for once, not the band. We heard Joan Byers' version of Babe I'm going to leave you earlier. That song was written by Anne Reiden, a minor folk singer in 1958, and she performed it on various college radio stations and so on. Friedan's friend Janet Smith heard the song and started playing it herself.
Starting point is 00:46:49 And then Joan Baez heard Smith's version on local radio and started performing it. Byers didn't realise that Smith was performing a song who was writer she knew, and so on Byers' 1962 live album, the first time the song was recorded for release, it was credited to traditional arranged by Joan Baez. Bayez was later informed that the song was by Breeden and corrected the credit when she put out a songbook. And so, for example, when the association recorded their version in 1965, they gave Breeden the credit. But Page had learned the song from a copy of Bayers' album which said it was a traditional song. And so his radical reworking of the song was
Starting point is 00:47:58 initially credited to traditional arranged page, though Planta's always claimed that it was him rather than Page who came up with the guitar figure, though in this case I tend to believe Page's claim that it was his work. Unlike with several other songs we're going to look at, this was an honest mistake and dealt with appropriately. It remained unnoticed until the late 80s when Smith's son was listening to the album and his mother noticed that her friend's song was on it. Breed and got in touch with the group, and as it was fairly radically reworked, the credit on Led Zeppelin's version was amended to make her and Page co-writers
Starting point is 00:49:03 and amended again later when Plants name was added to the song and Viedin was given a lump sum in back royalties. The next song on the album is You Shuck Me, a cover of a blues standard. That song had started out as Blue Guitar, an instrumental by Earl Hooker. Leonard Chess, the owner of Chess Records,
Starting point is 00:50:23 then bought the rights to that track from the label it was released on and had Muddy Waters overed up vocals on Hooker's backing track. Willie Dixon wrote the new lyrics and Dixon was given sole songwriting credit on Waters as a single, despite the music being the exact same track
Starting point is 00:50:38 that had been released with Hooker as the credited composer. The song was a favourite of Jeff Beck and Beck copied the intro for the Ard Bird's B-side steeled blues, an instrumental credited to Beck and Keith Relf, though the song diverges after that point. And as we heard last time, the Jeff Beck group recorded a version of You Shuck Me
Starting point is 00:51:59 for their Truth album, with Rod Stewart on vocals and featuring John Paul Jones on keyboards. When Beck found out that Led Zeppelin had covered the song on their album, he apparently cried with fury. Page always claimed he hadn't known that Beck had recorded a version,
Starting point is 00:52:46 but that seems vanishingly unlikely, given that Jones played on the track. Beck shared a marriage with the group, and the Jeff Beck group were explicitly a band that Led Zeppelin were modelling themselves on. Led Zeppelin's version was appropriately credited to Dixon, although J.B. Lenoir's name has since been added to the credits, as it has on the original. Lenoir was another blues singer, who somehow got added to the credits even though nobody seems clear on what, if anything, he contributed.
Starting point is 00:53:13 The next track up is dazed and confused. We heard last time how Jimmy Page and Jim McCarty had heard Jake Holmes' play as original in New York, and run out and bought copies of his album. and how the song had then become a highlight of the R. Bird's live show for the last few months of the group's existence. The Yardbirds version, when live versions have been given archival releases, has always had the songwriting properly credited to Holmes. The new Yardbirds have continued to include dazed and confused in their set, in largely the same arrangement that the Yardbirds had performed,
Starting point is 00:54:45 and when the group recorded their album, they included it. By this point, Paige had rewritten the lyrics slightly, making them notably misogynist in a way Holmes' original lyrics hadn't been. When the album came out, the credit read just Jimmy Page, and it remained that way until 2010. According to Holmes, when he first heard what Led Zeppelin had done, he was under the impression that the law said that copying had to be exact, words and music, and if someone plagiarised your work but altered it,
Starting point is 00:55:43 you weren't entitled to credit. Later, he realised that was not the case, but said, I don't want Paige to give me full credit for this song. He took it and put it in a direction that I would never have taken it, and it became very successful. So why should I complain? But give me at least half credit on it. It's probably more difficult to wrench that song away from him
Starting point is 00:56:03 than it would be any other song. And I have tried, you know. I've written letters saying, Jesus, man, you don't have to give it all to me, keep half, keep two thirds. Just give me credit for having originated it. That's the sad part about it. I don't even think it has to do with money.
Starting point is 00:56:20 It's not like he needs it. It totally has to do with how intimately he's been connected to it over all these years. Page, over those same years, would completely deny that the song was anything other than original, saying in an interview in 1990, I'd rather not get into it because I don't know all the circumstances. What's he got? The riff or whatever? Because Robert wrote some of the lyrics for that on the album, but he was only listening to, we extended it from the one that we were playing with the Arbbirds. I haven't heard Jake Holmes, so I don't know what it's all about anyway. Usually my riffs are Fitty Dam original. It's notable that when confronted over plagiarism, no matter what the song,
Starting point is 00:56:58 Page always blames Plant, even when, as in this case, Plant had no songwriting credit. Eventually, in 2010, Holmes took Page to court and got the fair credit he wanted. The credit for Led Zeppelin's version of the song now reads, Jimmy Page, inspired by Jake Holmes, and he gets a chunk of the money. Notably, though, that wasn't the end of his legal battles. Recently the film Becoming Led Zeppelin included the Yardbirds version of the song with Holmes' original lyrics but still crediting Page as writer
Starting point is 00:57:29 and without Holmes's permission. Holmes took Page, the song's publishers and the filmmakers to court and a settlement was reached in August this year. Side two of the album opened with Your Time is Gonna Come, another song which seems to be actually original apart from a few blues floating lyrics
Starting point is 00:57:45 that can't really be attributed to anyone mighter. Oddly, on the original release, while most of the other claimed originals were credited to Page, Jones and Bonham, this one was credited only to Page and Jones, though Plant was later added to the credits. That track became the first Led Zeppelin original ever to get covered. The pop singer Sandy Shaw, given the chance to produce an album for herself for the first time, chose to record an album of covers of hip artists like The Loving Spoonful, Dr. John the Night Tripper, and the Rolling Stones. Among those tracks was her version of Your Time Is Gonna Come.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Next up, after a crossfade, was Black Mountainside, an acoustic instrumental performed by Page on guitar and tabla player Viram Jasani, with none of the rest of the band on it. The songwriting credit on that one was solely to Jimmy Page, which was a bit of a sore spot to Bert Janch, who a couple of years earlier had recorded this arrangement of the traditional folk song Black Waterside.
Starting point is 01:00:36 As the original melody was a traditional one, though Janch's arrangement for the guitar was very much his own work, Janch's publishers decided it wasn't worth fighting over. Janch would later say, The thing I've noticed about Jimmy whenever we meet now is that he can never look me in the eye. Well, he ripped me off, didn't he? Or let's just say he learned from me.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I wouldn't want to sound him polite. The next song on the album, Communication Breakdown, supposedly evolved on stage from a version of Eddie Cochran's song. song Nervous Breakdown. However, this is one case where the resemblance is very, very distant. I can hear very little connection between the Cochran song and the Led Zeppelin one. I Can't Quitchie Baby was written by Willie Dixon and first recorded by Otis Rush in 1956 with Dixon on bass. This was one of two acknowledged covers on the album, both of them credited to Willie Dixon. Unlike future Dixon credits on Led Zeppelin albums, this one was properly acknowledged at the time.
Starting point is 01:03:17 And the final track on the album, How Many More Times, is a patchwork of a few older songs. Credited at the time to Page, Bonham and Jones, with Plant later added to the writing credits, the principal sources for the song are two Howling Wolf tracks, both recorded in 1951. The better known of them is How Many More Years. But there's a closer relationship to no place to go, which has a more direct. lyrical resemblance and which has a very similar riff to how many more times. Again, please note that whenever he's pressed about resemblances between Led Zeppelin originals and older records, Page always tries to claim that the riffs are his work in
Starting point is 01:05:54 original, and it's only Plant's lyrics that are ripped off. But while Plant did have a ponchon for plagiarising old blues lyrics, Paige was more than happy to take musical ideas from the same records. There are ideas taken from other songs too. Plank quotes a couple of his own old Alex's Corner collaborations, and there's also this section, which is based on The Hunter, a song originally recorded by Albert King for Stacks, and written by Buckety and the MGs and Carl Wells, and also referencing Mr. Pitiful, another Stax record by Otis Redding, co-written by Redding and Steve Cropper of the MGs.G's. The sessions for the album only lasted nine days, and were productive enough that they actually recorded two more tracks, unreleased until decades
Starting point is 01:08:04 later. A rewrite of the Bert Burns song, Baby Come On Home, recorded as a tribute to Burns, who had been a friend of Pages, had a song called Sugar Mama, a rewrite of happening 10 years time ago, with blues lyrics, credited to Page and Plant. This is not the same as the song Sugar Mora and PJ Probe's three-week hero album, though the title of that one might hypothetically have inspired the Led Zeppelin version. That page and plant credit would become more common from that point on. Most of the band's originals from their second album forward were credited that way, cutting Bonham and Jones out of the songwriting credits. Jones later said, In all honesty, I'd say that I probably should have paid much more attention to the writing
Starting point is 01:08:45 credits in the earlier days of Zeppelin. In those days I'd just say, well, I wrote that but it's part of the arrangement, or something like that, and I'd just let it go, not realizing at the time that that part of the arrangement had more to do with the writing than just arranging something. I always thought that John Bonham's contribution was much more than he, ever received credit for. In fact, I know it was. He also said, Zepton was really a partnership between four people, and sometimes when you see songs with Page Plant and everything, it makes it seem like it was a Lenin-McCartney situation where they wrote everything and John and I just kind of learned the songs that Jimmy and Robert
Starting point is 01:09:17 taught to us. That's so far from the truth, it's ridiculous. However, whatever the truth was as to who wrote or produced what. At this point, Jimmy Page's word was law. This was partly because at this stage Peter Grant was loyal not to the group as a group, but to Jimmy Page as an individual. And partly because Page had financed everything. Because Page didn't want to spend much money, he had the group so well rehearsed before going into the studio that the entire cost of the album was only £1,782, including the artwork, a photo of the Hindenberg disaster on the front, and a photo of the four band members on the back. The back photo was taken by Chris Dreher, one of the first commissions he got in his new career as a photographer.
Starting point is 01:10:03 Glyn Johns was immensely proud of the results and excitedly played the tracks for the other musicians he was working with at the time, but both Mick Jagger and George Harrison told him that they simply didn't get what he was so excited about and weren't at all impressed. The megastars of the 60s were not prepared for the 70s first supergroup. The group started playing clubs around the UK but went down very, very badly, especially at first when they were still using the new yard book. bird's name. The group would eventually become big in the UK, but they would never have the same
Starting point is 01:10:34 kind of success over here as they would have in the US, where they concentrated their efforts. Grant flew to the US and started doing the rounds of the record industry. Initially, he had a handshake deal with Moe Austin at Warner Brothers for the North American rights of the band, and with Chris Blackwellet Island for the rest of the world, for what was a reasonable amount of money, but then fate stepped in, and by fate I mean Dusty Springfield. or through the back yard we go walking and she told the new about the new group she'd heard that John Paul Jones was forming
Starting point is 01:11:36 with Jimmy Page. Jones had been the bass player in a range on a lot of Springfield's records some of which had also featured Page on guitar and she insisted that Wexler should sign this new supergroup who were bound to be the best thing around. Wexler knew of Page by reputation, and had even met him when Page had visited the US and hung out with his old friend Bert Burns.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Wexler had no interest in rock music at all. He loved blues, soul and jazz, but Atlantic had been making a great deal of money by signing artists like the Vanilla Fudge and Cream to their Atco subsidiary set up for pop music. Most of these acts have been signed by Armet Ertigan, who had decided that white guitar groups with a wave of the future, but Wexler saw this as his chance to get another of those acts signed up.
Starting point is 01:12:19 He agreed to sign Led Zeppelin without having heard a note of the band's music, purely on the basis of Dusty Springfield's enthusiasm for Jones and Page's reputation. They got an advance of more than $200,000, a huge sum in those days, especially for a totally unknown band, and total say over every release. Atlantic had no right to change a note of the music, to release anything that Zeppelin didn't approve, or to alter the artwork. and Page had one more concession he wanted. He insisted that the albums not be released on ATCO,
Starting point is 01:12:49 the white pop label, but on Atlantic proper, the label that Ray Charles and Aretha Franklin were released on. Peter Grant then decided to pay a visit to Clive Davis at Columbia for a chat. Davis assumed that Led Zeppelin would be recording on Columbia because the yard birds had been signed to the label. Grant had a long chat with Davis and Davis eventually said, So are we going to talk about Jimmy Page?
Starting point is 01:13:12 and Grant responded, Oh, he's already signed with Atlantic. Davis hadn't realised that when Page had joined the Yardbirds, he hadn't been added to any of their contract, and he was a free agent. Grant had just wanted to wind Davis up. It was announced to the press that the group had been paid the highest advance ever paid to a new group,
Starting point is 01:13:46 a statement that might even have been true, and this simultaneously intrigued a lot of people who wanted to see what this new band was like, and annoyed the underground music press. And at this point, magazines like, Rolling Stone were still seen as part of the underground counterculture rather than the oppressive mainstream force they later became. The group were the worst thing you could be in the eyes of people like Rolling Stone. There were sellouts, all hype, in it for the money
Starting point is 01:14:11 rather than the art. They were greedy breadheads. And indeed they were, in that they actually wanted to get paid what they thought they were worth. In a very short time, in fact, Led Zeppelin would revolutionise the economics of touring for big bands, because once they were successful, Peter Grant would start demanding that rather than a flat fee, promoters would pay the band 90% of the door receipts, something that the other big band would copy once they saw it was possible. Led Zeppelin were the first band to make it possible to become really rich from live performance. But that was to come in the future. For now, the group were going to start, if not at the bottom, then at least at the bottom of the bill.
Starting point is 01:14:51 Grant put together a list of venues that he wanted the group to play before the album came out in January 1969. Mostly the same venues that Frank Barcelona at Premier Talent booked. The film or the Grandy Ball Room and so on. From Boxing Day 1968 through to the middle of February 1969, Led Zeppelin
Starting point is 01:15:09 toured these venues, usually as the support for the vanilla fudge, sometimes for other bands like Iron Butterfly or Country Joe and the Fish. By the end of that period, the headliner started to refuse to come on after Led Zeppelin. By the time they got to the Boston Tea Party, they ended up playing 12
Starting point is 01:15:25 oncores, running out of songs to do and just covering whatever old Elvis and Little Richard songs all of them knew. They lost money on that initial tour. Page was still financing things, though the advance from Atlantic helped a lot, and became the first large sums of money that Planteau Bonham had ever seen. But the point was to make themselves known as the band to see in the US. While they were still stuck playing pubs and student unions in the UK, they were headliners and major venues in the US within a month of their first album being released. The album was commercially successful, making the top ten, but it fared less well with the critics. John Mendelssohn's review in Rolling Stone ended, in their willingness to waste their considerable
Starting point is 01:16:04 talent on unworthy material, the Zeppelin has produced an album which is sadly reminiscent of truth. Like the Beck Group, they are also perfectly willing to make themselves a two, or, more accurately one-a-half, man show. It would seem that if they're to help fill the void created by the demise of cream, they will have to find a producer, and editor, and some material worthy of their collective attention. Led Zeppelin would have a famously adversarial relationship with the music press for their entire careers, largely as a result of these initial bad reviews. Atlantic wanted a follow-up, and quick, and the group needed to tour the US more. In a brief break between their first and second US tours, they went into the studio again and started work on the album,
Starting point is 01:16:47 most of which would be cut on the road. We won't look at every track on the second album, titled Led Zeppelin 2, the way we did the first, but it's worth talking about some of the highlights, and the first track cut for the album was one of the most famous tracks of the group cut, and another one with disputed credits. The song was based around a riff that Page had come up with and was originally credited to the four band members.
Starting point is 01:17:40 Page later explained, I came up with the guitar riff for a whole lot of love in the summer of 68 on my houseboat along the Thames in Pangbourne, England. I suppose my early love for big intros by rockabilly guitarists was an inspiration, but as soon as I developed the riff I knew it was strong enough to drive the entire song not just open it
Starting point is 01:17:58 when I played the riff for the band in my living room several weeks later during rehearsals for our first album the excitement was immediate and collective we felt the riff was addictive like a forbidden thing the riff is pageous composition but it bears a passing resemblance to Earl Hooker's guitar part and Muddy Waters' as You Need Love written by Willie Dixon
Starting point is 01:18:17 and Robert Plant's lyrics owe much more than a little to that song Although, Oh, sweet and cunning Although while he was familiar with that track, Woman, you need love A woman you need love I'm going to give you some love I know you need love
Starting point is 01:18:51 Although while he was familiar with that track Plant was probably not actually directly copying the original Page's old immediate records colleagues The Small Faces who were one of Plant's favourite bands, had recorded their own take on the song titled You Need Loving and credited to Steve Marriott and Monny Lane.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Compare Plant singing when the instruments drop out with Steve Marriott on You Need Loving. When Willie Dixon discovered the resemblance in 1985, he sued, and now the song is credited to the four members of Led Zeppelin and Dixon, though according to Dixon's family he never thought he got enough compensation. As well as the famous riff,
Starting point is 01:20:26 there was an extended instrumental section of the song, on which Page plays the Therriman, an idea he had got from Randy California, the guitarist from Spirit, who had played on the same bill with the group. As we'll see in a future episode, Paige may have got some other ideas from Randy California too. The track was released as a single in most countries
Starting point is 01:21:15 and became a US top 10 hit. The single was the full-length track, but a promo version was also sent out to radio stations with most of the Theramine stuff cut out. However, Peter Grant's rule about not releasing singles in the UK applied and it was never released here. Sensing a gap in the market, Mickey Most released an instrumental version
Starting point is 01:21:34 by a group of studio musicians he had put together, CCS, led by Plant's old collaborator Alexis Corner. Their version made the top 20 and started a short run of hit singles for the group and was also used for many years as the theme tune for Top of the Pops, making it almost certainly the most heard version of any Led Zeppelin song, at least in the UK. I've seen some sources saying that the version used on top of the top of the popes,
Starting point is 01:22:26 of the Pops was a sound-like remake by most of the same musicians, recording as the top of the pop's orchestra, to avoid the BBC having to pay royalties to make you most label. A week after recording the basic track for a whole lot of love, the group went on their next US tour, and the rest of the album was recorded, as Plant later put it, on the run between hotel rooms and the GTO's. The GTO's being a famous band of LA-based groupies, several of whom took a shout into the members of the band. It's this second US tour that really gave the band the reputation for excess that they would keep for the rest of their career. As I've said from the very start, this podcast is about the music first and foremost,
Starting point is 01:23:04 and I only talk about the more unsavory aspects of musicians' behaviour when they are important parts of their history, because sadly it would be much, much easier to list the male rock stars of this period who did not behave in frankly monstrous ways than to list those who did. On the other hand, the appalling behaviour of Page and Bonham, particularly, has become part of Led Zeppelin's history in a way that were made. it irresponsible of me not to cover it. While people talk about the band having a bad reputation, if you look at the stories, whenever an individual or individuals are named, it's always some combination of Jimmy Page, John Bonham and the tour manager Richard Cole. While no doubt both
Starting point is 01:23:42 Plant and Jones got up to their share of the kind of behaviour that all rock stars in their 20s do, and they were certainly at least aware of their bandmates' behaviour, and so complicit in that respect. the two only rarely get named as doing anything specific. Indeed, Jones seemed to be separate from the others to an extent, sometimes travelling on his own, and barely ever gets mentioned as anything other than a gentleman. Within a few years, Jimmy Page's admiration for the occultist Alistair Crowley would lead to a rumour among the groupy population of America
Starting point is 01:24:11 that Led Zeppelin had sold their soul to the devil in order to become rock stars. All that is, except John Paul Jones, who had refused to sign the contract. I will be covering Led Zeppelin more in the future and those episodes will cover the period where most of their most notorious acts took place and I will also shortly be doing an episode which will focus very specifically on groupie culture and the way musicians treated groupies so I'm not going to deal with that too much in this episode
Starting point is 01:24:37 but it's worth noting that even this early on both Bonham and Page were indulging in behaviour that most people would find revolting Some of these behaviours, like an incident involving Bonham, Richard Cole, some members of the Vanilla Fudge, a groupie and a freshly caught fish, reports differ on whether it was a mud shark or a red snapper, were consensual, at least on the part of the humans involved, the fish probably had other opinions, and passed into rock legend as humorous stories getting exaggerated along the way.
Starting point is 01:25:09 Frank Zappa even recorded a song called The Mudshark, after the Vanilla Fudge told him about their exploits. But sadly a lot of what went on was not consensual. The main source for a lot of the stories is Richard Cole, who was not the most trustworthy of narrators. He self-confessedly destroyed his brain with drugs and alcohol during the 70s and did not have a reliable memory. And the living members of Led Zeppelin have denied some of the allegations he made.
Starting point is 01:26:05 Plant, who comes off from Cole's stories far better than Page and Bonham, said, out from girls who'd supposedly been in my room, when in fact they'd been in his. While Page said of Cole's autobiography, I'm so mad about it that I can't even bring myself to read the whole thing. The two bits that I have read are so ridiculously false that I'm sure if I read the rest I'd be able to sue Cole and the publishers, but it would be so painful to read that it wouldn't be worth it.
Starting point is 01:26:29 So, between my own desire not to get sued, the unreliability of the sources, and a natural distaste for talking about such things, I'm not going to go into much in the way of detail about what went on on that tour, other than to say that Jimmy Page has been documented in multiple sources as having a predilection at this time
Starting point is 01:26:48 for girls who were significantly under the age of consent, while Ellen Sander, a journalist for Life magazine, touring with the group to write an article on them, ended up not writing her article because on the last day of the tour, John Bonham sexually assaulted her, and it was only the intervention of Peter Grant that stopped him from raping her.
Starting point is 01:27:06 But again, the worst was yet to come and will be covered in future episodes. episodes, and this is a podcast about the music first and foremost. And it was on that same tour that they recorded most of Led Zeppelin 2, the album that turned them from a big band into the biggest band. Songs like The Lemon Song, which was credited to the four members of the band until Howling Wolf pointed out the similarity to his own song, Killing Floor, at which point his name was added as co-writer. There was also Bring It On Home, which was credited to the four band members, at least until the 80s, when Willie Dixon noticed that it bore more than a little
Starting point is 01:29:12 resemblance to a song he'd written for Sonny Boy Williamson. Dixon now has the songwriting credit for that track. And there was Moby Dick. That started out as a variation of Bobby Parker's Watch Your Step, the same song that the Beatles had lifted for I Feel Fine. But in that case, the track became basically just an excuse for a drum solo for Bonham, a solo that was a few minutes long on the record, but could sometimes stretch to half an hour or more on stage. Much of the rest of the album, though, was original material, with Plant in particular stepping up as a lyricist, writing songs about his wife, about his conflicted feelings for his sister-in-law, and about Hobbits, sometimes all in the same song. Where Led Zeppelin 1 had been a continuum of songs
Starting point is 01:30:52 modelled on other people's records to varying degrees, ranging from passing inspiration to outright plagiarism, the songs on Led Zeppelin 2, an album that to this day is often considered the group's masterpiece, fall more into a bimodal distribution. There are a handful of songs that are just straight lifts from someone else's record, and a handful that are total originals. The album achieved many things. It established Page and Plant as a songwriting team, at least on the songs they actually wrote. It established Page as the producer. Where the first album had been recorded with Glinn Johns is the only engineer. This album had four different engineers in six different studios. Page was going to make sure that nobody was going to be able to take sole credit for the band
Starting point is 01:31:34 sound except him, and it went to number one on pretty much every album chart worldwide, knocking the Beatles' final album, Abbey Road, off the number one slot at the beginning of 1970. The 60s were over, and there was a new group at the top, and they had managed to do something that was both artistically satisfying and incredibly lucrative. but at the end of 1969 the group were wealthy, famous and already burned out. How they recovered from that burnout
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