Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Atlanta: Hocevar vs. Everyone & NASCAR Got it Right

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Denny Hamlin and Jared break down the Atlanta race, packed with storylines.4:15 – Why racing at Atlanta is better than Daytona & Talladega16:24 – Carson Hocevar pisses off Kyle Busch, Ryan Blaney, & Ross Chastain39:54 – Kyle Larson wrecks Austin Cindric & William Byron43:50 – NASCAR made the right call throwing a caution to end the race53:25 – 23XI signs Corey Heim for select Cup races56:25 – Austin Hill wins again at Atlanta & Kyle Busch takes the Truck Series win1:01:06 – The trip to Disney didn’t end wellFor more content check out our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimentalFanDuel Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Like I was going to ask for an official measurement. I want to, manager, I want a tape measure. I want to see that that is 48 inches because I knew she was there. She was fine. I guarantee you she grew enough overnight to hit it. Do they still have like the PVC piping as they swing it across their head to see if they match? No, this was like a C&C aluminum fixture. So she couldn't pass tech.

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No, you are not. The spoils of victory for Jared Allen. He's got better luck than Rick and Drake to win. I know, you do. Two trophies missing from your collection, a championship and the most popular driver. Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yeah.

And I've already said it. Hey guys, welcome to X's detrimental post it. Lanna Motor Speedway. I'm Denny Hamlin, driver of the Yahoo! Toyota Cameron this past weekend. I was back in the purple.

My co-host is Jared. He's number 311. Red vest number 311. I hear y'all more on the right in my right speaker. Maybe your right ear is just better than your left. I think you might be right.

They say when you get older, you lose your eyesight first, but I don't have any of that. I still got great vision. It's still 2010. Your hearing is going to be as a NASCAR driver. No doubt. How much do you hear? Obviously, you have ear molds. How much do you hear when you're in the car? Like, is it pretty much just the voices of your spotter and crew chief? Or do you hear the car a lot? No, no. It's the car mostly. And then they're secondary. Okay. Yeah. It's loud. It is. Like, if I, I, if we just sit here in silence real quick and I close my eyes, I definitely can hear ringing. So, yeah, it's something that'll live on for forever.

Yeah. Well, it's also not just that, but it's when you're not in the car, but there's cars out, they're going around or on the weekends and just probably earlier in your days when you probably didn't have the ear molds or whatever one is, you know, good to protect your ears. We use, I think the sound gear stuff. I think they're JGR our sponsor. I think Swalach's mom. Yeah.

Does him? Yeah. The Swalich family at least. Yeah. They do a great job. You need some ear molds. Hey, before we start, funny, funny story. I just got a text from Michael Waltrip.

He met my parents at Starbucks 30 seconds ago. Okay. How did that introduction happen? It must have been your parents. Well, yeah. So my parents are visiting this weekend. So they drop me off here. and then they were going to go get coffee.

So I guess they went to Starbucks down the street. And they had texted me. Jared, you rode with your mom here? Mom and dad, yeah. So long story short, I got, I got,

my car got run into. I got rear-ended last week. So this morning I made an appointment to drop it off. This is news. Yeah. Yeah, long story. Well,

not really long story. I was parked at a stoplight, or we got a stoplight. I'm the third car in line. The light turns green. The car in front doesn't move. So then obviously the car second doesn't move and I don't move, but the car behind me does move. So she just stomps on the gas, drives into the back of me.

I get that car. She's like, oh, I thought you were going to go. It's a green light. I was like, yeah, but you can't. Where am I going? So anyway, she ran into the back of me. So this morning I made an appointment to have the bumper replaced and it was fitting because my parents were coming to visit.

I was like, okay, well, I can go drop my car off. Then they could give me a ride here. Wait, so what have you been doing since? Have you been driving around your damaged car? It's really not all that damage. There's like a couple dents in it and a crack in the back, but it's like pretty mild. All right.

Atlanta. Atlanta is what I think most drivers would aspire would aspire Daytona and Talladega to be. From the standpoint that it takes skill to draft it's got some handling you know you can have handling issues

which you know set up will matter you can build you know your car differently obviously we saw it with our qualifying we I think we were last we're top 10 at Daytona you know so it's just you know it's the balance of the

the team plays such a big role in it because it's like, hey, do you want to have better handling? You want to be faster? Like, and, and so I think that if you talk to most drivers, they would say, man, this is, this is how Super Speedway Racing used to be at Daytona, you know, before the repave and others. And I've heard some other quotes from drivers that have mentioned it. And I agree. you know, I think that we're still probably a couple years, actually, from the prime of what Atlanta could be. I think it's still got a little bit of maturity to go in the pavement, but it's getting there pretty quickly,

and we've really seen some fantastic races there over the last few years. So a great show for the fans. I thought it put on a good race from my standpoint. what did you all see from from where y'all are at it was a great race i'm just curious what's what's going to get better at atlanta as the time goes well handling will become more of a thing um now that is give you know so the tire that we run at Atlanta is you know somewhere in the range are like 20% harder than any other tire that we run um on an intermediate track or when i say intermediate we're talking mile and a half, two mile tracks. So it's a very, very, very hard tire. If Goodyear or NASCAR

see that we start stringing out a little bit, maybe they add some grip to the tire to bunch us all back up and then we're kind of reset, you know, we reset the clock. But with this tire being really, really hard, it just, you know, it doesn't really wear out. But it's still new tires you can tell that it you know it plays a little bit of a factor um i'm wondering though is that something that we could do at detona or taldega to like maybe maybe we soften the tire or maybe we harden the tire i'm not really sure which one to like get you know if we're not going to change the because there was a lot of discussion over the week you know what do we do to fix the uh the the the drafting tracks and you know i i i

I think from an entertainment standpoint, it probably can't get a lot better. I acknowledge that. I'm just trying to make it to where, you know, there's a balance there of entertainment and there's a balance of, you know, sport where, you know, the drivers that are the superstars can feel like they really have a, you know, legit, changing of the outcome based off of decisions they make and whatnot. The teams have a bigger role. And so, yeah, I think just if you did get some drag out of the cars and I looked this up

and I had some texts with Dale Jr. over the week, you know, talking about, you know, ideas of what we could do to, you know, for suggestions for Daytona and Taldega is that, you know, I know NASCAR doesn't want the cars to flip over or anything like that. But we're, you know, in the pack, we're running the same speed. that we have been running for, I don't know, seven, eight years. But we're 15 miles an hour slower, you know, 13 miles an hour slower by ourselves, which is why we have to like run into each other so hard to get these cars moving. And it's also why we can't pull out of line at Daytona and Talldegas because they just have so much drag.

So, you know, I'm wondering if, you know, if we can't do a test of some sort, to just, you know, take half the spoiler off and just see, does it really change the pack speed that much? My guess is it probably wouldn't. And maybe that creates a little bit of space between the cars. You're still going to have bump drafting, things like that. We've had that for forever. But that, you know, to me, like I talked about last week,

could be my little, you know, let's try taking drag out of the, the Daytona Taldega package and, um, and just see if it makes it better. It just appears that right now, or at least it did yesterday, that as a driver, if you play your cards right, you can go to the front. Yeah. And if you don't, you can also go to the back and hurry. I saw it with you a few times. You made a run to the front.

Yeah. And then all of a sudden you lost 10 spots. Yeah. Um, you know, certainly what it seemed like, right, is that, you know, I would have, I had a pretty good handling car. Um, but, you know, I'd pull out a line. to pass someone and then, you know, I would go straight to the back. You know, that's, that's what we're talking about. You can't, you can't pull out of line. You have to just stay in line or else, you know,

you're, you're screwed. So we want to be able to create a run, take the run, pass, get back in line, and then keep that run going, right? Where now you're just kind of, all right, I think this line's going to move, so I'm going to stay in that line. Or I think this line's going to move. I'm going to move over to that line. So that's kind of what we have right now. But I think it's, you know, while, you know, we poo-poo on the Daytona-Tal-Degas stuff, it's, this is also kind of what's created, you know, great racing at Atlanta, which, you know, I think that it'd be interesting to experiment there as well with just less drag. Let's, let's just see what happens. We know we got a good thing here, but it's, you know, we've seen a couple fantastic races, so I think they'd be apprehensive to change

anything. How much does the size of the track playing that? It's because Atlanta's smaller, backstretch is smaller. You've got to enter the turns quicker. You need to, you know. Yeah. And so the reason that, you know, we don't, like, hit each other quite as much or as hard at Atlanta is because the straightaways are quite a bit shorter. So with Atlanta being kind of mostly corners, we have to space out a little bit, you know, because handling is a factor.

aerodynamics is a factor at Atlanta more so than Talladega or Daytona. Daytona and Taldaiga, we're running on each other's bumpers or maybe a foot off in the corners. And then so by the time we get to the straightaway, we close that gap, we start pushing all the way down the straightaway. Or Atlanta, we have to create more space between the cars and the corners. And then it takes really the entire straightway just to get back to the person right there in front of you. So that's why you don't see as much contact at Atlanta, which is, you know, for us, it's, it's probably safer. And it, you know, it creates a fantastic show where it's like, you know, you can see people like Ryan Blaney go from the back to the front and just, you know, put on the clinic. Yeah.

Is it also why you don't see the big wrecks all the time like you see at Daytona Tauidega? Like there was quite a few cautions yesterday. Yeah. But until the last one, as Clint Baer mentioned on the show, it didn't take out every car. I couldn't believe we didn't wreck, like a front of the field wreck that took out 10 cars. I'm telling you, I was in the middle of 3 wide, on the outside of 3 wide. And I mean, the hats off to the drivers. I mean, these Cups Series drivers are so good.

I mean, it's amazing how much better they have gotten over the last 10 years. I mean, we're running right on top of each other. there is no room for error. And while, you know, we do make mistakes, you know, quite often, and that's, you know, most of the wrecks came from somebody makes a mistake, you know, run into another, somebody else gets caught in it. That stuff happens. It's amazing we don't do it more often.

It's amazing it's not caution after caution after caution. We were racing all out. Everybody in the start of the third stage, everybody was racing 100%. and it was like, whoa, I mean, usually, you know, and I've seen this thing evolve over time, that you don't really get that until like, there used to be, you didn't get that until 15 laps to go at the other speedways. Like you could feel the intensity picking up,

everyone's starting to push more, the gaps between, you know, side to side starts to shrink. But it was like that from 100 to go, on and it was like it was crazy it was crazy we did not wot them up but it's just a testament really how good the spotters are how good the drivers are just you know it's it's amazing to watch you know i couldn't there's been many times where i'll go in the you know i there was a few times actually that i've gone to the bristol exfinity race and watched from the stands and it's like holy crap i can't believe i'd do that

You know what I mean? Like, it's just amazing how good the drivers are. And then when I watch the race back, I'm like, that is pretty exceptional by all the Cup Series drivers. So it put on a fantastic show. Do you think that's an anomaly that there isn't more big ones in this Atlanta race? I mean, yes. I think so.

I mean, we tried a few times to really wad them up big. but most of the big wrecks happened kind of mid-packer-so. So there was really not much at the very front of the field, except for, you know, you had the Larson thing. And then on the last lap, I think Hosevar squeezed the 21, that squeezed 47 into turn one right there. So we tried, but it, you know, it stayed green and stayed pretty clean. How mentally exhausting is in a race like this where you guys are on edge and you're going 100% for that long?

Like after the race, are you more tired than a usual racer? What's it like for you in the driver's seat? I mean, I'm probably, I don't know, I'm probably a little bit on my own island of, you know, does, do I get mentally exhausted? Not much. I mean, I have so much experience in it. Obviously, I do, you know, a ton of. of breath work to keep heart rate down and things like that. So I don't get too tired anymore, but I can understand why you would because it was white knuckling pretty much the whole day for me.

Hey, this is Dale Jr. And for the latest actions detrimental gear, go to shop.durdymomedia.com. We've got plenty of options for you. We're adding new stuff. the time that's shop.dardtdurdymodea.com. Carson Hosevar didn't make any friends in this race. The first enemy was Kyle Bush, who it said, go tell that 77. He's done the same thing to move 10 times. I don't care if I wrecked the whole field. I'm over him.

He's a fucking bag. I'm going to wreck his ass. A lot of bleeps going to come in there. So when you hit the f*** button, do you have to hit it once per time? Or if we just say a bunch of times in one sentence? I usually just hit it once. And it just lets you alert you that there's... Yeah, it's more of just making me aware that there's cuss words in that vicinity.

And when the Carson hosts of our Cobbush, I know that they're there a few times. I'm just Matt, NASCAR did not play this audio once. And I get like, oh, cussing or whatever. But like, conflict sells and you want to keep fans sticking around the rest of the race, play this audio. And I guarantee you fans can be like, ooh, I'm sticking around because I want to see if Cobbush is going to pay him back. He didn't, though, did he? No.

But that's fine. Listen, we are telephone tough guys. No doubt about it. We will threaten over the radio anyone and everyone. If he does this, I'm going to send him over the fence and then like nothing ever happens. We just, you know, you understand, like, you're trying when, as a driver, when you're saying that, you're trying, or at least I am. I don't want to speak for everyone. you're trying to get the message to either the crew chief or the spotter on that driver's team to hear you and then say hey be careful around denny he's pretty pissed like that's all you're trying to do is like get get the message out to them that like yeah aren't you also just trying to like sell yourself on it like oh i could beat his ass if i wanted to you know not really okay so let's say that you

Kyle Bush is saying this about you. Who is, there are people from J.J. are monitoring all the other stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we, you know, you try to, I mean, we can monitor anybody we want at any given time. And, um, but I don't know. It's, it's just a way to, to vent and hopefully it just somehow the message gets relayed.

Yeah, because you're stuck in the car. It's not like football where the next play you can try to do something. Yeah. And then also once you kind of voice that you're going to reckon, you kind of can't wreck him now. That's true too. Yeah. It might have been received because I don't think there was any additional drama

between Hosevar and Kyle Busch, but it certainly wasn't received at large. He didn't apply the message to the rest of the field. Can we stick to Kyle Busch for a second? Kyle said, do it with like 30 laps to go. I hate this idea that you can't do it at the start. Do what? He's like, I was like, how he raced him.

He made a comment like, you know it's not like there's 30 laps to go so oh this yeah this was super early in the race so Carson can't race like why can't you race aggressive at the beginning like that if that's what he chooses to do like yeah I mean I didn't see it but obviously more than likely what happened is Carson just put him in a you know horrible bad spot and it forced him to check up which then again then could have got him wrecked or whatever so I didn't see it, but, you know, I'll take Kyle's word for it. He didn't make any more friends.

Jared, this is your point where you go to the next guy. Okay. Go ahead. Carson Hosevar and Ryan Blaney. Yeah, so Blaney was obviously pissed, rightfully so because the 77, he hit him entering the corner. And so I think Blaney explained it right in his interview that, like, Yeah, there's things to learn, but there's also things that you should know.

You know, this isn't your first race, right? And that, you know, hitting someone entering the corner on a track where you can't make contact in the corners is a recipe for disaster. Well, for whoever you're hitting anyway. So I think that Blaney was just like, you know, this is not something. something that you should have to learn over time. This should be common knowledge. Don't run into someone as you're entering the corner. And it obviously spun Blaney out. I think you would have been way more pissed had he not come back and got a good finish. But I, yeah, I mean, I agree with Blaney here that you just, those are things that you kind of should, should know. And, you know,

while Carson admits that he's got to clean things up. It's just, yeah, he does, but you also, there's something about when he puts the helmet on that surely he knows that that's not a good move, but does it short circuit when he puts the helmet on or not? I'm not sure. I'm watching this replay, and to me it seems like, Carson's probably come in with a head of steam here, and he just views Blaney as in the way,

but he doesn't want to let up or check up or whatnot and just runs in the back. It's an odd angle, isn't it, too, the way Blaney is entering the corner? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it is, but, you know, it's just you, you just have to know. I mean, you're not, I'm watching Carson's like, well, if you, had that big of a run, you wanted to take it, you could, that's not where you take it. No, I mean, he could have taken it three wide bottom or whatever, but instead, you know, he chose to, now, yeah, he just, you got to check up there. Now, he's getting, he's got the 24 right on him.

Right. So, you know, maybe he doesn't want to get run over either, but it's still, it's just not good for the car you're running into. And so, yeah, that was a bad deal. Yeah, the driver who runs in the back of another car is always at fault. I learned that. That's why I don't have to pay for this new bumper. There you go. Exactly. And that's pretty much the law of tickets, right? It doesn't matter if you stop early. It's whoever's behind. It's their responsibility to keep the gap. Yeah, Blaney did all right. He somehow, I haven't watched the Macs camera yet, but he somehow came from the back of the field to finish what, top five in this after this, after spendout? And then the save to keep it on the apron and not turn it back up the track.

Yeah, I thought Blaney did a great job there. And obviously, We talked about this when I got sideways at Daytona, like the last thing you want that thing to do is suddenly hooked back right. And so he did a great job of keeping gas in it, keeping the wheels left, and, you know, trying to save it. But also, you know, if you spin out, just spin down to the apron and you'll get the caution and you'll be able to recover.

And so I thought he executed that spin perfectly. And then lastly, Carson and. Ross Chastain. Yeah, I mean, I understand both sides of this. It's hard for me to pick a side in what I think is right or wrong because it's just an interesting thing, right? I mean, Carson's trying to get his very first win. This is obviously going to be a, you know, these type of tracks are going to be great

opportunities for him to get a win and, you know, put him. himself in the playoffs and just momentum all around right and he's the second car on the bottom pushing Ross and Ross is battling Kyle Larson I believe on the front row so it it pretty much is a here's how this goes right on a super speedway it's it's all about can the second third fourth car stay close to the first person in line and if either one of those cars pull out of line at any point, your line is dead. And whatever lane stays committed to each other, that lane will go forward. And so, you know, I imagine that's probably, you know, and I'm making assumptions, of course,

because, you know, Ross didn't speak upon it. But I just, if I'm Ross, that's probably what I'm saying is that I understand you're trying to go for the win yourself, Carson, but it killed our line. we all went backwards at that point and so that's not his responsibility though yeah the more I watched this replay the less I see Ross's argument

I see this both ways I see this both ways I don't see it both ways though's what I'm saying yeah I mean I because because you guys have never done it probably you know what I mean like I just at these tracks if you're gonna go for it

it just feels like your best opportunity is to push the person that is in the head of your line, push them clear. Then you get the push to then make the move on them. I just feel like that's kind of the best way. I'm sure there's races, been one the way that Carson did say, hey, let me shuck him out here and let me be the first in line. People get behind me and push. But this is actually a great example of why nobody could pass Austin Hill in the Xfinity

race. They were way too busy fighting themselves instead of lining up and then passing him. And then every time they got to run, not to jump series here, but they were afraid to pull out of line on Austin Hill. And so I was like, what the fuck are they doing? it's just a weird dynamic and again it's just a car thing where you've got to have car count and you got to have people formed up

if you can do that your line will go forward and I think Ross probably took for granted and he was like surely Carson's just going to push me here but you can't be mad like I get that that's what you probably should have done but for Ross to be mad is dumb well maybe he wasn't mad maybe it was because Carson, I think, views Ross as a mentor.

Like, that's been talked about previously. Maybe he wasn't necessarily mad and it was like, hey, hey, man, like, you should have done this, maybe, right? Like, this also could have been in your best interest just to push me. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. If I'm Ross, that's what I'm saying to him.

Right. But Carson, now I'm going to be Carson, I'm going to say, I'm going to go for my very first win. This is one of my best shots I've ever had to win a race. And that was the move I thought would do it for me. Now I'll go back and look at it and see if I made a mistake. And if I did, I'm going to learn from it. And I'll do better next time. But in that moment, I thought that that was my best move.

And I mean, he got second place. Yeah. So like. Well, yeah. I mean, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he. yes, I know that it's easy to say well you finish second

there was he got both of them got shuffled yeah because of that line getting disorganized so it was not a net gain

and that's what Ross will argue is that it that screwed both of us so gotcha I perhaps I mean if the caution

doesn't come out at the end there's not a wreck you know going into three Ross or not Ross or not Ross, Carson has a chance to win this thing three wide with, with Bell and Larson. So he put himself ultimately in a position to win the race. Maybe he would have got there anyway if he stayed with Ross, but.

I think there was other circumstances that allowed Carson to get back there. Yeah, I mean, you can't predict it. One is certainly, and actually one that's kind of overlooked, is that after the white flag into turn one, he went, he, he squeezed the 21 and 47 way up the track. Like they bounced off the wall. So he just took a huge arc into the corner. He was three wide bottom.

But he just went way up the track, knocked them two into each other, and then ended up getting a run. So there was other circumstances, but this is, I think what I was just trying to do is break down why Ross was upset and why Carson would have an argument saying,

you know, I hear you. you, but that's what I thought was best for me in that moment. Yeah. Yeah, I guess coming out of turn, or Carson gets a run here coming out of turn two following that move you just talked about. But yeah, it completely killed, killed that bottom line. Nonetheless, I thought, I thought this was great.

I thought Ross getting out of the car, walking to the infield, looking at Carson's car, just standing in there with his hands behind his back. Like, all that is great for the sport. Yeah, I think, I think Ross handled that great. I think he knows that position. Yeah. Yeah. We've been there.

I mean, listen, I had that same conversation, right, with Ross after Phoenix, after the Phoenix race. You know, I think he was very level-headed when we spoke, and we haven't had, it pretty much killed it between me and him at that point. You know, he walked up and says, I guess I pretty much deserved that. I said, yeah, and then we talked it out. And then it was over, right? But I think for him, he probably, he went to the grass because he did not want the TV or anyone hearing what they had to say. He wanted it to be a private conversation. And so I think he executed it well.

I mean, it looked like he was level-headed. Carson looked like he was level-headed. I got no issues. What do you make of Carson? it seemed like in the Fox interview he was he was more apologetic to Larson HMS because I don't know if he's scared there but then like he played it very like

Why was he apologizing? Because he gave Bell the push and not Larson. Oh. Yeah. I understand that. But Carson, I was looking at this because I was thinking did he have the chance to push the five?

He did not. He never got clear of the 12 to move down to push Larson. He never had the opportunity. Now, yes, he pushed the 20, but I think at that point he was trying to blaney him and knock him out of the way. I mean, he even said it.

He says, I was trying to shuck the 20. Well, by shuck means he was trying to plow through him, knock him out of the way. Yeah. So, you know, I think where the drivers probably are taking exception to this is that, When others have done this to Carson, he's lost his mind and he's right rear-hooked people. He's, you know, whenever Carson's been on the receiving end of these moves,

he's lost his mind and retaliated and done some foolish things. And so when the drivers are, you know, when the media will talk about this week, well, if you don't like it, then do something about it. The problem is, is that drivers have done things like that to Carson and he's retaliated in a bigger fashion. So I don't know, I think it just kind of works itself out over time. I think, you know, they talked about on the tear down that, like, you know, many drivers have went through this transition.

And, yeah, I think it probably will happen with Carson as well and that he'll mature on the racetrack and, you know, he'll he'll live up to the expectations of being a great driver like we all think he will if he was in here right now what's like one piece of advice or if he called you and was like hey help me out here like what's something that you could give him it's tough for me to say I think because I mean we we probably have different styles I think it's he grew up in a different generation of racing the way I did. I don't know that he ever, you know, because I was around with the Mark Martins and

the Tony Stewart's and that. So I just, I saw a different type of racing back then. And so I thought that that was the gold standard. And then when racing went through a cultural shift of, you know, just knock everyone out of the way and it's okay. And, you know, there's no art to passing anymore. you just wipe people out. You know, that was a cultural shift that happened just in the last decade. And that's probably the only time in which Carson has been racing competitively. And so it's all he ever knows. So it'd be hard for me to give him advice.

But I would say that one of the best our sports have ever seen, Jimmy Johnson Rarely did you I mean you just never saw him running into anybody but yet he was just a fierce person on the racetrack like you feared him

but it was because of his how good he was and how fast his car was and his skill set not because oh this guy's going to run into me like it's just it's just different it's just different now so it would be hard I think I probably wouldn't be the right person to give advice, but certainly...

I'd say you are, though. Yeah, but it's just, it'd be hard for them to listen and hear it and receive it, just because, you know, it's just things are different now. And so I think I'm the dying dinosaur in this sport. My one issue with Carson is in this Fox interview is nice, but then in another one, he's said, we're here to win races and not be a boy band and love each other and play on the playground together. I think he needs, I think he's going through a bit of like a little, this isn't the right wording by identity crisis. Like, are my the jokester guy in the cup series or am I going to be serious? Okay. So, yeah, if I had one word of advice and it'd be

tough coming for me, because I'm the one that likes to fuel my feud with the fans at times, is that you're fueling the fire, right? If you, if you, if you, If you do run into someone or you, you know, you do someone wrong on the track, it's probably best to then be humble publicly. And his Fox interview was that? Yeah, so did he say that before? And he did another interview. And so it's like, I don't know, he's trying to pick a lane.

He doesn't know which lane. Well, some people know that, okay, millions will hear this one and only thousands will hear the other. And so let me make sure my image looks good on T.E. but I'll let my true self speak when I talk to a reporter. I'm just saying. He is great on social media. I do like his personality when it comes to the media. I think it's just a matter of if he's for real and he's going to run up front on a consistent basis, then it's easier to own it.

But if you're not going to run up front on a consistent basis, then it's more difficult to have that style about you. And so, you know, the thing is, is that, you know you've got if you got a bunch of guys upset with you it just makes your job so hard it really does and it and it makes it hard in in so many aspects because you got restarts that now drivers are like screw him i ain't afraid to put him shove him three wide middle or shuck him out or on the racetrack carson's way faster than me instead of you know giving them the finger to to go on by, I'm just going to hold them up. But do all drivers think like that?

Do all drivers think, like, I need my job to be as easy as possible? It's like the withdrawal and deposit that you always talk about, right? I mean, I just think that if someone were to spin me out, right? I would just, every time they were around me or behind me, I would do everything I could to just hold them up for a while. I mean, it's, you just don't let it go. And, you know, I feel like I'm like most drivers. You just don't let it go.

And it just, you know, you just want to frustrate them and show your displeasure through racing them hard. And that's, that's how we get even, you know. It's, it's the easiest way is just, oh, I'm just going to go, I'll spend them out next time. Well, then you're just getting into something else. Now he thinks he owes you one back. And it's like, There's just ways you can really piss someone off without actually making contact. Yeah.

Don't you also, though, just adjust to every certain driver's driving style, you know? Like, don't you, well, you, if Carson continues to run up front, like, all you guys in the field will just adjust and realize, okay, this is just how he races. And I need to react accordingly because he's just going to be this way. I think that's what he wants you to do. I think he wins if people change their styles to accommodate him. Right. So he's gambling.

He hopes that you do that instead of maybe. You know, anything else. Well, it's like when you were next to him, I tweeted. I'm like, didn't he get away from the 77? Because I'm just worried that something's going to happen. I saw that tweet. I don't know. It's just a, it's tough because, you know, there's certain things that I, you know, I don't see where he did a whole lot wrong.

And there's certain things where I see he did. And so it's, it's hard for me to kind of. to chastise everything and lump it into one one certain thing. But I, you know, it's, it's not a coincidence. You know, not everyone is crazy and you're right. Like eventually if you have enough people pissed off, it's, there's some sort of common denominator that, you know, you got to look at. But some people, you know, don't care and they're, they're going to be themselves and there's nothing wrong with that. Before we get to the finish and the caution, let's talk about the wreck between Larson and Cindrick and William Byron, since you have quite a bit of experience when it

comes to this move. Yeah, Kyle cleared himself up. I mean... As Cindrick said, not clear. He was not clear. He definitely was not clear. I don't... It sounded like the spotter told him that, he was on the outside. You know, I don't have the perfect kind of synced video and spotter transcript, but, you know,

they were saying that outside, outside, outside, and I think Kyle acknowledged that my spotter was telling me, but, you know, I was, I'd already committed to just throttling up and opening up the wheel. And so it's a tough spot because you know,

it's, I've been in that spot before. obviously on the on the on the giving in and you know let me defend how a little bit i mean it's his fault there's there's there's no doubt about it um but what happens is when the cars you know you you get tight off the corner generally speaking at atlanta especially off turn two but when you get a car then right there on your right rear and you commit to throttling up it just dumps so much air on your spoiler, it does make your car just turn right. It's still your job to lift. I chose not to lift.

I knew it was the race for the win. Kyle chose not to lift also. I mean, they're very, very similar. So I don't know how else we can describe it. but it sucked for Cendrick for sure. He was like Blaney able to go from the back to the front very, very often. The 22 looked like he had a little bit tougher time. Once he got into traffic,

but those two just seemed to be able to overcome whatever with the speed of their cars throughout the day. So yeah, I don't know. It's a tough one for Cindric. It's just to mark it another one in the column for him of being, in contention to win inside 10 laps to go on a super speedway and he gets taken out. Centric was on a damn missile yesterday. At one point he went from 32nd to 17th on a restart, then made all the way up to 8th. Like he was, whatever that car set up was,

you want that going for that racetrack. Oh, no doubt. I mean, I think, I think we quickly have recognized that they have hit some sort of balance that is perfect. They have handling, they have speed. Nobody was close to them in qualifying. And typically that means that they're trimmed out and it's built for speed, not comfort. But they just overcome it. They just have so much speed. It's amazing to see how well they do even in traffic.

Now, Joey, like I said, didn't have the maneuverability I thought that the others did, which is kind of the operability. of Daytona. I thought Joey was exceptional going through the pack there. But I mean, even Josh Barry, right? Have we even talked about Josh Barry on Speedways that much? You put him in the Penske car and he was up front. I mean, and stayed up front. And even when he wasn't, he was driving to the front. So clearly they've got something going on that is really, really good for them right now and they're hauled ass. We talked about a little bit last night on the plane, the caution at the end of this race,

you think it was a good call nonetheless. It was the right call. Good call. It just depends on who you ask. If you ask the fans who want entertainment, no, it was not a good call in their eyes. But I can assure you that there's not a driver in the field that would want that race to stay green. given the scenarios that that were going on. Because you keep these races green and somebody will end up getting hurt.

You know, there's just too much opportunity and the drivers are way too vulnerable when they're sitting in the middle of the racetrack and then cars have to go by them full speed to gain spots. That's just not a good scenario for anyone. and so I just yeah it's that the race had to end under caution and so let's let's at least applaud them on making the right call for safety

because safety should always be number one and entertainment should be number two and so it sucks I mean this sucks it sucks it ends this way but you know we're the ones that chose to wreck and so you know I just I think it was the right call, and maybe this is at a moment,

let's give NASCAR the benefit of the doubt that they're going to change their ways as far as, you know, let's start a new trend of consistency starting now, right? I think the Daytona 500, and I will speak on what Harvick said, he says, I left pissed off because that was a dangerous situation they let go. This isn't what I said. This is what he said. people all week talked about what i said about it well others had the same opinion and and i agreed it was just an unsafe situation the expedity race was continuing on that trend and it was like no no no

this is not we're not going to start you know racing back are we this is not good we we got away from this a long time ago so while it is it is a race where it is definitely different than they called it the day before. It's definitely different to the way they called it the week before. This is the right call. So let's start the trend of right calls right now. And let's say we're one and no. We're not one to know though.

I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here, Travis. But Blaney, they throw a caution for a spin out. Is that the right call? Yes, he was turned around backwards. So, I mean, that, it is it an unsafe condition? right then and there, no, but he's going to sit there until we drive back around. So that was a caution. So they're two and now then.

So you agree with both calls? Yeah, I think so. I personally don't think the blaney one should have been, but I'll take your expertise on this. Yeah. Is it because you think that he just would have kept going and then the race continues? Yeah. I see that because he did. He didn't lock up any tire.

He didn't blow any tires, so he wasn't going to limp around. But they got the important one right, which I'll give him the credit for. Yes. That was an important one. They're just, it stinks it ends that way. But again, nobody made us crash each other. It just, it happened. So it stinks because we probably were in for another three wide finish.

but all I can add if you're a race fan just close your eyes picture that there was a right when that right when the caution light came on there was a start finish line there so we actually did have a three wide finish it just was in an invisible spot

just trying to be optimistic here yeah I think what adds salt into the wound for this one is that the wreck isn't really seen on the broadcast you know you're watching these cars go three wide into turn three and all of a sudden cautions out. It's like, wait, where's the caution? Like, it's not visible

until they cut back to it. And it's like, oh, yeah, it wasn't that far back. I was in 6th. It started right where I was at. It was right next to you. Yeah. Did I see people were blaming me for that wreck?

I'm confused. I was on the outside running in the line of the cars in front of me. But Barry came up into the door and it... Listen, when there's a wrecking your nearby, social media is going to... Okay. I was wondering how I got roped into this.

I was like... Well, I thought nothing of it. I didn't even know it was Barry that wrecked. So Gluck had a tweet. He wasn't blaming, but the tweet did... I'm trying to pull it up. Tweet from Gluck, watching replay on Barry's N-Car. Looks like Barry got sandwiched by Chastain and Hamlin,

took a couple big hits and spun across. I looked at Chastain. He didn't... didn't move up. I think Barry might have just misjudged it slightly off the corner. Like I went up pretty high because he was in my door really heavy. I could tell he was getting pretty tight off of turn two. So I gave him extra room. But then at that point, I just lined myself up with the cards in front of me. Like, is there room against the wall? Yeah, absolutely. But we don't put our right sides on the wall down the straightaway. That's just, that's not the outside lane. So I just line myself

of them and I feel something and I just keep going and I look up and I'm like I got nobody around me where they go so I just think it was a slight misjudge I think Barry was probably just trying to side draft there what do you make of him saying people being stupid for eighth yeah I don't know if he was talking about that one or when Hosevar squeezed him into turn one right before that but either way like we always say like wait till the end like that's the end like I don't well he I At that time, he said that. He said he hadn't seen a replay yet either. That's my new pet peeve with these interviews.

We need monitors. Let the drivers see something. We asked every driver, and then the drivers said, I haven't seen anything. Like, to your defense, like, you haven't seen it. Yeah, but how are they supposed to, I mean, how somebody from the front stretch or the catch fence or the whatever, supposed to carry around a video monitor with them?

Figure it out. We put a man on the moon decades ago. I don't, I'm sick of drivers saying we haven't. I haven't seen the replay. But did we? But did we? I don't know. Figure it out.

That's not my job. I know. I hear you. He hadn't seen it. I don't know that if his opinion will change after he sees it. But I certainly was just running on the outside lane and I felt something, you know, get me jiggy. And next thing you know, there was nobody beside me. So that was that was the race ender.

But if you look, they were continuing to crash. And so I think when Barry actually was sliding across the racetrack, like broadsided, they threw the caution because that's just, that's a really unsafe place for him to be. Yeah, I was on the team that they shouldn't have thrown the caution initially last night, as we argued on the plane a bit. But now you watch the replay. They actually, it took a couple seconds before they did throw the caution.

So it seemed a little calculated. is only 36 people that want that caution thrown and they're all sitting in the driver seats I understand all the millions of people that say let that bitch run green but it's you can't do it guys somebody seriously and it could be your favorite driver

will get really really hurt and it's just not that's a caution is an unsafe condition that is the definition and that is an unsafe condition let's let's reset it Let's forget the past. They're 1 in 0. Okay, let's start the trend of correct calls this week. Where do you think Gluck's good race poll is that right now for yes?

83%. Bingo. Really? Yeah. Right on it? That's sitting at 83 right now. That's pretty good. But it should be higher, but because of the...

But I'm surprised it's not lower. That's good, though. 83%. 8.3 per 10 people say that it's... they were satisfied. When we return in June, with it being warmer, will the race be slightly better? Is it still going to be the same?

Like, what can we expect when we return? It could be different. I mean, certainly grip would, you would think is going to be less. But I'm amazed how much grip the racetrack still has. You know, so even though it looks worn, it's still got some good bite in it. So I'm not sure.

I think you'll see something relatively the same. Some other housekeeping notes here from the weekend. 2311 announced that it'll field the number 67 car for Corey Haim and select cup races this year. Yeah, we're excited about this. And Corey is somebody that has been, you know, he raced for us at Nashville last year, drove from the back of the pack to the top 12 before we had, nine green white checkers. So he did a great job for us,

and it obviously has been part of the Toyota Racing Development Program for many, many years now. So for us, we're going to run them in some races this year, going to run them in some more races next year, and just see where the future holds for him. So we're excited to give him that opportunity. He deserves it. I'm glad, you know, he chose 23.

He probably could have taken some other offers that would have put him in a cup car sooner, but he chose to be part of our program, and we're excited to field cars for him, because I think he's ready. Does this mean that he'll be part of 2311's plans for the long-term future, or is there chances that he could run for Legacy

or JGR in future races? Yeah, I think it's given him an opportunity at the cup level, and so for us, you know, this is a multi-year thing, and, you know, we believe in him, long term and you know where the future holds i don't think anyone knows but um we we feel great with our lineup right now um i've been you know really happy with riley's performance over the first few races bubba and tyler are both doing well running up front um but you got to build towards the future as well it's just one of those things where we have to continue to build uh for our future and and

and give opportunities and let things just play out naturally. Oh, and by the way, shout out Michael McDowell. He was six laps down at one point during the Atlanta race, finished P-13. That's amazing. I mean, I'm assuming there were six cautions then, right? He just caught every lucky dog. He said in his post-race interview, he was fortunate that other guys who wrecked or fell laps down,

fell more laps down than he was. So he was always able to catch the lucky dog and made it back on the, But he was in the garage. But for the back on the lead lap. But not on the new DVP policy. So people were thinking, oh, that's why he had nothing to do with that. Yeah. His was mechanical.

Right. Which you've always been allowed to go back and fix it and go. But rarely do you come back from six. I mean, when you're six down, you're pretty much like, golly. Can I blow a tire and get out of here? I can get before the race is over. Not really, by the way. Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

I mean, certainly what a great deal for them to, like, be able to come all the way back to 13th. Austin Hill won an Xfinity race. Big shocker there. It was so frustrating watching it. Frustrating watching it because I'm watching the cars that are behind them just not try to pass them. Like, why are you afraid to pass them? The minute they shuck Jesse Love, that was like the moment I was like, oh, they've got him dead to rights now.

Now go ahead and gang up and pass him. Get him shucked. But they didn't. It's like I watched everyone, these guys get a run. And then you see them like, no, I'm going to stay in line behind the 21. I'll just, I'll get him with a couple lapses. And then no. So then the car behind them is like, well, you're not going to make a move.

I'll pass you. and then they end up fighting each other and Austin Hills just like got to be laughing. It's just there's not enough experience in the Xfinity series to know that like if you if someone has the best car, you need to get them shucked at some point. You got to get them, not allow them to control the race. So take the runs when you get it. Even if you got to put them three wide and maybe you risk going back yourself. I think that the person behind you is more likely going to go,

or they should go with you, to then pass him. So they just, they let him control that race for way, way, way too much time. They were too busy fighting himself, I mean,

he's probably also in everyone else's head at this point. No question about it. No question. And he's better than everyone else. I mean, you see it. He knows how to control the lanes. And I think he's,

you're dead ass right. He's in their heads and they think that they can't beat him. So they're just trying to be the next deadline. Right. Denny, what did you make of Algar, though, not moving up to block him at the end? Yeah, not the right move, obviously. It's going to be very tough if you let the fastest car get back to your outside. I think he was thinking at the time.

I mean, because at that point, if you move up in front of the 21, he's either going to then push you, or you're going to force him to go to the outside and then the help that's behind him, are they going to go to the outside three wide? More than likely not. They're going to say, screw that. I'm not going to follow him, push him back to the lead.

I'm just going to stay behind Algar. And the next thing you know, you've got him three wide to the top, and he's probably falling. position. So again, everything just worked out perfectly. It looked like to me that Austin Hill had 20 teammates out there. It did. It's what it looked like. So hats off to him. He's, I mean, he is just kicking their ass right now. What about Kyle Bush in the truck series? Clinic. I mean, you could see that all race, he was planning passes, timing passes, And to me, there was even on the last lap where Stuart Friesen was at,

that's who he was battling, right, at the line. Like you could tell he knew how to time it to be, to get the lunge at the start finish line, right? In 2016, Daytona, when I came off turn four ahead of the 78 and Truex, I slow down. The start finish line is 600 yards in front, but I'm like, I've got to back. up here to be the one to get the lunge later down this straightaway. And so Kyle just knows that

through so much experience. And so when I saw Stewart ahead, you know, kind of like coming off, turn forward, it's like, oh, well, this is not going to end well for him because it's, you know, you just, when you get slightly ahead of the car or truck that's beside you, their, their front in is just dumping air right on their spoiler and it drags them back like a parachute. So you know, when you come off the corner, you want to be the person that's behind, dump the air, and then you get the lunge at the start-finish line. But, I mean, yeah, I didn't think that that win was ever in doubt for Kyle. How was Disney last week?

My favorite part was getting a flight to Atlanta. I know, I have a photo of you on the rock and roller coaster. Her hair blowing in the wind. Big smile. It was great. That was my favorite. The Aerismith one, and that was at Hollywood Studios. We ended the trip on a bad note, though.

Poor Molly. Oh, no. I measured her before, and I was like, Molly, this is fantastic. You're finally 48 inches, which means you're going to be able to ride pretty much everything. Yeah, this isn't bad. and all the 48-inch rides all week she had ridden and then we saved the best ride for last tron at magic kingdom this is the newest the latest the greatest everything and we get there and we pull up and it's the last thing we watch the fireworks at eight o'clock they're done at nine

o'clock. We got one more hour. We're going to end this trip, Riding Tron. Well, the guy had her stand up on the measuring stick, and her hair was in a slick back because she went to the bippity-bop-a-bri boutique earlier that day. So it, you know, normally your hair's got a little bit of volume to it. Well, they pulled her hair back tight, and so it was just right there on her head. and I'm telling you, Travis, if she was that much short, it was surprising. I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm like,

you know they don't have the perfect, you know, posture anyway. So I'm trying to like push her bottom in, straighten her shoulders. Coach you up a bit. I am. I'm trying to like, and so the problem is,

is the person had already seen like, I mean, I'm telling you, she was that short. Sure. Like, you could barely see any light between the top of her head and the stick. And I'm like, buddy, she's ridden the 48-inch rides all week. And so I'm trying to organize her.

And she can get there, like, when she sits up totally straight, like, she can get there. But he's like, I got to call the manager. Oh, my God. Just like, I'm going to have to say no. And she fucking loses it. and it's like oh my god my heart's breaking so bad for her because she was i mean this was it this was the the top of the top and so i'm like i'll go with you like i and then taylor starts crying she's like these people are mean and and you know she's not going to get to ride we're not

going to ride i'm like that's fine with me so i'm ready calling up keith we're going to be out of here an hour earlier tonight. And so it just, it stunk and had to do it all over again. Like, you know, we were thinking about, well, how can we come back taller? And so we were going to get out of line and then come back. And then, because there was two different lines and two people, different people were watching. And so like, how can we change clothes around, maybe put her in a jacket, take her jacket

out, whatever it is, like just change her look up a little bit. And then I was going to take the insoles of her shoes and fold it on itself. So it created a slight heel. That would have been enough. But just we never thought twice about it because she had just breathed through every other 48-inch ride. And this one, like I was going to ask for an official measurement. I want to, manager, I want a tape measure. I want to see that that is 48 inches because I knew she was there.

She was fine. I guarantee you she grew enough overnight to hit it. Do they still have like the BBC piping as they swing it across their head to see if they... No, this was like a C and seed aluminum fixture. So she couldn't pass tech. Couldn't pass tech. But the crew chief got pulled. I know.

So she didn't get to ride it. And they took her to the can shop and I'm texting right when we're getting on the ride. I was like, she's doing okay. and she was happily in the candy store and she was fine. But gosh, dang it, I hated that for her. She just, she was so upset in that moment. And that was a bummer.

That's surprising. I mean, yeah, she was on, there's picture of her next to you in that rock and roll roller coaster. Picture, if she was on that, she can ride Tron. But she's been through three-hork screws in a loop. You're definitely leaning forward. Like, I get it how, you know, she's undersized for her age anyway but man i mean can you i mean guys it wasn't a 16th of an inch it was

less than that but they just wouldn't i guess they got to they got to say no it's something they can't the manager doesn't want this on they're always they're going to say no for everything and i kept trying to explain to the kids like they're not bad people they're just trying to do their job and unfortunately it didn't work out for us. Unfortunately for you, you're going to have to take her back. No, no, no, no. Jared's going to come in in like a month. Like, Molly, I think you're 49 inches.

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what are murderers roast starts to the season for me. Two speedways and a road course. You got a top 10 this past week. I tell you what? We get a top 10 this week. Then we start to go into, you know, the heart of the schedule. All right.

I like it. So, yeah, let's get this out of the way, start the season on some of these tracks, and then we'll get to some good ones here, Vegas and whatnot. But Cota should be interesting. It's a new short course. You would think SVG is going to be one of the favorites. It's going to be interesting. Connor Zillel.

Conor Zilich is in the field. He's in the field as well. So I think it's going to be a great, great battle. And we're all going to have to get used to this short course. I know in the Sim, it's like I have a little bit of trouble finding the turn in at turn 6 where you shorten the course. So visually, it's a little bit challenging. But yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's actually one of my, I had one of my better road course performances speedwise last year at Cota.

So I'm actually excited to get off speedways. I'm done speedways for a little while.