Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Coke 373.5: Pit Road Problems & Rain Delays

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

The Denny Hamlin Bracket Challenge is back for year two, and Denny and Jared talk about some of the big first-round matchups (3:00). NASCAR handed down a punishment to Ricky Stenhouse Jr. for punching Kyle Busch (10:36). Should Kyle Busch have been punished for wrecking Stenhouse?Rumors continue to swirl around the future of Stewart-Haas Racing (19:20). Could NASCAR limit teams to only owning three charters?Mother Nature ruined Kyle Larson’s attempt at the double (33:00). Denny had major issues on pit road. He explains what happened between him and Chris Buescher (41:00). Mother Nature also played a major role in the 600 (53:00). Should the race have been restarted?Plus, Denny explains why Kyle Larson should receive a waiver and be eligible for the playoffs. And, a final update on the better half dash. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Bracket Challenge starts this week. It's officially open right now. You're listening to this podcast. The Bracket Challenge is officially open. The number one seed, thanks to Kyle Larson missing the Kokoa 600. Are you really going to do that? Well, he didn't get any. You got zero points.

But you were like, thanks to blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. I mean, that's okay. That's the game we're going to play. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. Hey, guys. Welcome to Action's Determental. Ow! That hurt Charlie!

This is not going to be a rose-colored glasses show. Pleading with NASCAR, who I guarantee you is listening to this. It was warm, and then it was cold. But I kind of liked it. The 11, D.H. We're all in. We're going all the way that's promising. Hey, guys.

Welcome to Action's Detrimental post-Cola 372.5. Is that right? 372. Is that the accurate number? Is that it? I just threw a number out there. I feel like that. I feel like that that's pretty close.

374.5 or something like that. So, yeah, we got plenty to talk about. I am Denny Hamlin. I drive the number 11 car. It was a bright-teel Mavis tire and brakes machine this week. I love how the deal is if you win, they change the pan. scheme. I think it's just a little clever, unique way to spice it up. They didn't change it by much.

They just lightened like the tops of the sides of the car. I love that Mavis is one of the few brands in the sport that really uses the side of the car. Now the number is push forward to its full potential. Like who cares if your logo is cut off a little bit in the wheel well? It doesn't matter. Yeah. I hate them trying to fit. I hate it when sponsors try to fit their their logo has to be perfect and presented this perfect way yeah on the side of a race car like well we're going to run into it and destroy it anyway so like it's fine if it cuts off the bottom quarter of it i agree that there's great paint schemes that aren't perfectly presented logos so agree they they used the the scheme well yeah um where do we want to lead off today

jared i jared's my co-host by the way this guy's getting more screams every weekend than Taylor Swift. The past couple of weeks, that actually might be true. With all the different races. I'm riding in a golf cart, you and it's like just celebrity. I asked you this weekend, I says, when's Jared going to get a Jared? Jared needs a Jared. All right.

Submit your resumes to. Let's begin with the bracket challenge. The bracket challenge starts this week. It's officially open right. now. When you're listening to this podcast, the Bracket Challenge is officially open, head over to DirtyMod Media.com slash Bracket Challenge to sign up. It's free. It'll close at 3 p.m. on Sunday right before the race start, so get your picks in. The Grand Prize winner this year gets a prize pack that features an Arctic 72-quart ultra-light wheeled cooler, the 30-can floating soft cooler,

more from Arctic to keep your drinks cool this summer plus Dirty Mo Media swag. There will also be 11 additional winners who will receive the Arctic 52-court ultra-light wheeled cooler along with a tumbler. Dale Jr. loves his tumblers and a canned chiller. Man, that is a professional read right there, Jared. Let's sign this guy up for all reads. Here we're going forward, Travis. Mark it down. Jared's our new reader. That was great. First take. One take. Live, too. It ain't like, you know, you got a second to check. change it. So, I mean, not a stumble at all, especially with the Arctic. You're really, you're really, uh, pronunciating that very well. Arctic. Yeah. Uh, so first round's going to be a gateway.

Second round, Sonoma, third round, Iowa. Fourth round, New Hampshire, fifth round, Nashville. Um, okay, who's your early pick? Well, I mean, we love to see the seedings, right? Yeah. So we'll, let's run through them real quick here. We've got the number one seed. Um, thanks to Kyle Larson missing the Coca-Cola 600 is... Are you really going to do that? Well, he didn't get any, you got zero points. But you were like, thanks to... Blank, blank, blank, blank, blank.

I mean... That's okay. That's the game we're going to play. All right. Now the one seed had nothing. Never mind. Well, maybe before that, he could say, thanks to the 11 crashing while racing for the win of Texas.

Yeah, that's fair. That's true. I mean, there's, there's always, you know, back and forth for sure. Anyway. Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yes. And I've already said it. Many, many times.

Do you recognize how many times do you say that? Sort of. Sort of, yeah. I mean, you certainly do now, now that there's a drinking. I'm trying to figure out an alternate to kudos or hats off. Because I say that way too much as well. Or it gets said too much. So we need to find another way to say, to show gratitude.

We need a thesaurus. You need some synonyms? Yeah, I need just another way to say, you know, well, well done, well done. You deserve a round of applause. Great job. You knocked it out of the park. You're amazing.

No, so that doesn't fit into the sentences in which I say it. do you understand it like hats off to justin haley for another great run well done justin haley another great run and that just doesn't sound as good it just doesn't maybe because it's it it sounds foreign to us well hats off to denny hamlin who's the one seed whom i'm up against the suite you're up against justin haley oh sh are you serious what do you mean yep all right Okay, well, I got my hands full then. Could have an ultimate upset. You never know.

You... What? He's the 32 seat. I'm the one. You're saying there's no chance. I'm saying, yeah, it would likely take a wreck. Yeah, of some sort or something go on for sure. But it ain't like... You know, he's going to run, he's not going to run 30th, you know, so we're, you know, he's been in the teens, it seems like, quite often. I don't know if they finished there in the Coke 600, but he ran there.

So, well, the next matchup is even closer. The 16 and the 17 seed, Chase Briscoe versus Joey Lagano. Okay, how about this? I can't see them all. You just give me the highlights of who you think could be an upset because we got to, we got to get this going. All right. I like the Chase Briscoe Joy Lugano matchup. Okay, there you go.

I think Chase Briscoe is running better than his 16th seed and Joy Lugano still. Fair enough, Joey Lugano is better at Gateway, so move on. And you would play the winner of that one, race against the winner. That'd be your men next matchup. Really? Yep. Oh. Against in Sonoma? Yeah.

Tough draw. 12 seed Ryan Blaney versus the 21 seed Noah Gregson. Interesting, but again, I mean, the edge, of course, is to Ryan Blaney, but I see what you're saying. There's an opportunity there for Noah to upset them. Yeah. The 15 seed Chris Bisher and the 18 seed Daniel Suarez.

This one's interesting to me because Chris Bisher is a 15. How can it be 15 and 18? That's 33. So? It can't equal 30. Oh, yeah, because it's a 32 and 1. It is, everything is going to equal 33. Yep.

Okay, so give it to me again. Chris Busher is the 15 seed, a little low for the way he's been running, and the 18 seed Daniel Suarez. Yeah, the 99 has struggled mightily for some time. He ran better at Charlotte, but sure, there could be an opportunity there. He's got a good pick crew. He's got the ability to go fast. Yeah, anything can happen in that matchup.

I see that. And the 11 seed Christopher Bell and the 22 seed Todd Gilliland. Yeah, I don't think that that's a big upset coming. Again, upsets will come because guys fall out of the race and because that's just part of racing and there always is a handful that will fall out. You're just trying to predict really which one of the higher seeds is going to have a bad day.

And good luck trying to figure that out. Well, I picked that one out because before Charlotte, Christopher Vell finished outside the top 10 in five of the last six points races. So just a, yeah, you're, you're, you're begging to get knocked out with that for sure. All right. Well, that's not, it kind of our little quick recap of the first round. Make sure you go to where? Jared.

Go to dirtymo Media.com slash bracket challenge. Do you have a winner yet, Jared? Do I have a winner yet? No, I was making my picks here before Denny came into the room. I got to the third round at Iowa, which is where I think you're going to have to really dial it in and get a little lucky. All right, but fill your brackets out. Sweet tweet pictures at Denny. Let's see who you picked to win this thing.

Yeah. All right. Well, that's this week. Off the track stuff, we had Ricky Sinthouse getting fined. 75 grand. Ricky Senior reading this here. Ricky Sr. suspended indefinitely, I saw that coming for sure. Got two JTG mechanics suspended eight.

No, one suspended eight races, the other four. Holy shit. Did you not see this last week either? Is this kind of new to you? I mean, he put hands on a driver. Isn't that kind of, that's what everyone was saying. It was like you put hands on a driver. you're going to get.

No kidding. Holy cow. I mean, that's a lot. How much did the guy get that horse-collared me at Martinsville? I thought like two or something. I don't remember, but I don't believe it was noteworthy. I also believe one of the guys I put his hands on the security guard maybe two. Yeah.

That's a lot. Ricky definitely got the... into that exchange for sure. No penalties for Kyle Bush. Why was Ricky fine? Ross didn't get fined for a bunch of Noah. I think they talked about that. I think that NASCAR, their justification is they're saying it's because one was right after the race in the heat of the battle.

The two just got out of the car and the other one sat there for two hours and waited. I mean, I think that if anything, if I had to sit there, in the infield and and watch the race for two hours, I'd probably stew over it and get hotter. You know, they're saying one's premeditated and one is whatever the charge is when you, emotions are involved. Right. So I don't know.

That's, I've been asked about it. Is it fair? Is it not? I think 75 grand was too much. I think you're hurting what you're promoting. because you're certainly, I mean, they definitely use this for promotion, however they don't quote unquote like it. So certainly that amount of money will make drivers think twice about throwing hands,

which I don't know that is necessarily a good thing. Yeah, I don't think Ricky got too good of a, too fair of a shake there, but I don't know if he's going to appeal or not, but I can tell you, after the case that we brought, good luck with that fixed system. That's not going to work. And I know you guys are going to come at me say, hey, do we want to edit that out?

The answer is no. I'll just go ahead and tell you now. The answer is no. It is. Come on, guys. They bring them in. It's moderated by a NASCAR official. I mean, come on.

It's not, that system still could be improved. In terms of the crew members, Elton Sawyer said, I think it's fair to say that when you have crew members and family members that put their hands on our drivers, we're going to react. Which really doesn't go into much detail on why the suspension. So there were no other crew members than any other altercations that we've seen over the last X amount of years. I mean, what about the. Sanchez and,

and, um, Kraftin. Crafton. I saw crew members all up in the middle of that. I, you know, I don't know. So it's,

it's just, it's, listen, it's managed by people and people are inconsistent, just by nature. That's just part of it. And, and they,

that's what they thought was, um, adequate for Ricky. Now I got a little time to think about it. It's probably a little too harsh in my opinion. It is just fascinating how much, how much, you know, exposure. This gets through the push of NASCAR social media and whatnot. You know, like, I don't know which specific people are involved,

but there's certainly a group at NASCAR that loves this, right? Because of all the people like you, right? Absolutely. Yeah. But then I guess competition does not like this, but competition is the one who's handing out the penalties. I don't know. It's like...

No, they do. But I understand that you got to show a little bit of control, right? That you, this is still your series and you can't do nothing because then you're opening yourself up to, well, the next brawl is going to get bigger. Right. And the next brawl is going to have more people and more injuries. And then next thing you know, you've got a star or the sport or whoever it might be out because of a fight.

and that's not good for anyone. So they have to have somewhat of control and this is their way of giving you a parking ticket and saying, don't do that. So for the average race car driver, what amount of money do you think is right there at the line where it's like,

I really don't want to pay for this fine. But if I have to. It depends on who you are and the money is different for all drivers. I don't know. know. I mean, because certainly the money comes from the drivers themselves. The team's not going to cover it. So, I mean, it's 75 grand is substantial to anyone in the field for sure. Kyle Bush openly admitted to getting into retaliating to Ricky Stenhouse, not after the race,

but a day after when he was on Kenny Wallace's YouTube channel. And there was no punishment there. What are you trying to say? I believe you got find for talking on a podcast. I had a points penalty. Points and money. Yeah. Care to comment? Yeah, it's not fair. I asked Elton Sawyer. Let's see, been 20 minutes since I asked them. So I didn't get a response on how it is different because I wanted to give them an opportunity to explain that. I have not gotten a response.

but if we do before the end of the pot, I will let you know. They are the same. They are the exact same. You played me the clip, and I was like, oh, okay, well, he said, yeah, I meant to spin them out. I retaliated. Those are all the things in which I got fined for. So I don't know. To me, that the money didn't matter.

It was more about the points. But certainly, it seems like it should. It's a matter of what gets the most media attention. I hadn't seen this. I didn't see this interview that he had. And so is it because it wasn't seen by as many people? Like, that's what... That's why I think that none of what you say on a podcast should be held against you,

no matter... Kyle shouldn't, mine shouldn't have. It's because, you know, what are they? moderating what all the drivers are saying from here going out, which I think they are. That's part of the driver program, I think. They're going to moderate what you say. I mean, this video did 150,000 views on YouTube, so it wasn't like it wasn't seen by it. Okay, I get it.

But it didn't, I don't know. But you're right, I didn't hear it until. It's NASCAR listening to that. Yeah. You know, that shouldn't be a factor. And they are the same. And there's no way you're going to convince me that they're any different. but I'll

let you know if I get a response on how that is different does it matter that it was in a non-points paying race no what does that matter I'm asking you like does that factor into NASCAR decision? No because then you can't find Ricky and his team though I think you're

grasping at straws if you were to say well it's we don't pay points that race so it's different that's stupid All right. Not you. You're not. I'm just saying it would be a stupid excuse by them.

Hopefully they don't say that. Charter discussion. It sounds like that SHR will be selling all four charters. I think news is expected on that later to today. Or at least news shared to the employees of storehouse racing is expected today per Jordan Bianchi. but also teams in this new charter agreement teams are going to be limited to three charters apiece yeah i mean i think this is part of a grander plan from jim france and what he wants

um you know i the problem is you've already got four teams so if you limit to three in the future it will always be an advantage to then have four and so You know, if Stuart Haas goes away, how many four-car teams are there left? There'll be two. Can you name them? Hendrick and Joe Gibbs Racing. Are those the two most dominant teams? They are.

Okay. So how does a smaller team with less chances to win have an equal opportunity? Well, how much does that four-car teams? matter? How much does that having that more data points? It's not helping Stuart Haas lately. They got four. They're in a little different situation. A little different situation. They, you know, they've, it's just different. It's different. They were really good for a while. And then it, it, it tailed off. But again, what's going to happen then is if you cap it at three and say, that's all you can do. 2311 you can only be three for the rest of your lives i'm going to say well okay how am i going to

beat gibson hendrick then i mean it'll be tough and especially if they're trying to put it some sort of salary cap or something into this thing like it's always going to you're going to have more resources the numbers you're going to just keep going the more you have the the more you have so it's um i don't know that i necessarily agree with that for sure for sure but correct me if i'm wrong but you know your 2311 drivers are in um competition meetings with jgr right you all are sharing data you have the data for because we deem it necessary to compete against them is we need we need to we need to have more data points So we pay a fee to Joe Gibbs Racing every year to have access to sit in those meetings and look at their data.

So if you pay a big fee for it. So, okay. Well, I mean, I think if you are going to tell every team that they're only allowed, I don't know, three charters, whatever it may be, then you just have to also limit that teams are not to be sharing data amongst each other. because if you're going to be sharing data anyway, what does it matter if Hendrick has four cars or JGR has four cars and you have three cars? Yeah, the problem with that is the point of entry into the sport will be extremely, extremely hard because, you know,

we have an alliance with Joe Gibbs Racing made it easier for us to come in because if I had to build all the infrastructure in which Joe Gibbs Racing has, you know, all the C&C machine, because I think they manufacture about, This is a very rough number. Like 200 parts and pieces that help put that car together that we cannot manufacture because we don't have the equipment to manufacture it. So we just, we need them to provide that to us.

So if we had to go and design, and all those parts and pieces had to get designed, they had to get fitted to the next-gen car and all that stuff, it would take us it take forever for us to try to come into the sport be competitive and all that stuff but this to us was a shortcut way to get there where we wanted to go when that is to be competitive right from the very first year so what i'm saying is that you need these big teams to help service the smaller teams but it will always be an advantage to be a bigger team. I can't figure out how it would be a disadvantage.

I mean, people can say, well, you're spreading your resources, then are, well, then you shouldn't have that many if you, which we're seeing, you know, transition going on with SHR. But those two people have the resources to do it. So the more opportunities they have, the more data points, the more drivers have teammates that they can balance each other information off of and setups off of, they're going to have an advantage.

So grandfathering them in, I guess maybe is a, maybe a way to say thank you for all that they've done to build our sport up. I mean, I'm just thinking hypothetical. Maybe that's the reason for it. But it certainly makes it more difficult to compete.

They will always have a little bit of an advantage. Doesn't mean we can't go out there and beat them on any given week. We've seen three car... I mean, Penske, it's a four car team. You know, they have Wood Brothers there, but it's, that's, again, that's four cars.

That's not... They've won a championship, they have three cars, but it's four cars over there. What do you say to the fact of that this would allow people to enter the sport, because the teams are now spread, so you can't have as many teams with four,

so it opens up potential new people coming in and buying charters? I don't know. I mean, I think that they believe that there are drivers just wanting to be NASCAR Cup Series owners, that there's just, they don't want, you know, they don't want some owners, but they want other owners. And so I think that they would like to have the opportunity for those other owners to come in. But I don't, I think until they change the business model for us, it's going to be, no one's going to want to do that. Those other owners I speak of have tried it and gone out of business.

Right. This only matters if teams can afford three to four healthy charters to begin with, right? If a team can't afford three charters healthy, then it doesn't matter how many of they're allowed to have. yeah it's it's just interesting that they they're the cabinet i mean certainly it seems like you know they they don't want to have which understandable they don't want to have six to seven owners you know and then a few other guys like they don't want to have 10 owners right they want to have 20 15 20 that's going to be hard to achieve uh but i don't know why they want so many but maybe it's because if you have less,

it's easier for them to get on the same page and have the same ideas and ideals. And when they want something, you have to listen to that smaller group. But I'm not really sure. You know, that's just something that's coming to head now. And we'll see here shortly. But again, there's just things in the charter agreement

that are changing, is being put in there by NASCAR that I don't think the teams themselves actually requested. Doesn't it also help by limiting the potential of like, let's just theoretically say that track house in 2311 at someday are at four each and JGR and HMS. And now all of a sudden you've got 12 cars in the playoffs and it's all, it's from four teams or whatever. We'll call it even more. That's what it's going to be anyway.

Come see me when it's the final eight or final 12. it ain't going to be, but it's just a couple teams in there. And you're just not going to stop that. They're trying to. They're trying to everything they can. You know, parody, parody, parody, but it's the same freaking three to four cars that are up front every single week. You're not going to stop the best drivers, the best teams,

the best crew chiefs, best pickers, best pick crews from being the best. You're not going to stop that. So I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how it all. comes together but it you know we as as I can speak for my group just saying you know we'd like to get a deal done sooner than later because certainly it's hard to plan for the future when we don't have a charter agreement and right now we don't yeah one before we we move on from this particular point Jordan Bianchi mentioned on the tear down that NASCAR wants to spread the charters

we talked about that. They want to see new ownership groups. We talk about that. They want some ownership groups. They don't want others. That's for sure. I'm just, I'm letting you know.

They want to pick and choose their ownership groups. So you're saying they have eyes on a certain ownership groups. They're trying to cater to, to bring them into this work. I think, I think that that's fair. Yeah. I don't think there's anything false about that statement.

Is there an approval process if you, if I wanted to buy a charter that even if I have more money, NASCAR still has to approve it? They do. Yeah. Yeah, it still has to go through some sort of approval process. Yeah, but, you know, as what team owners would want and what NASCAR would want is owners to come into the sport that spend money investing in the sport. Because that's where you're going to see a payoff is to have, you want teams to have them that is going to make the sport better.

Do the teams have vote? Like I know NFL, the other owners have to approve a new owner. do you have any sort of say? I think so. I don't know that. I don't know for sure and I should know for sure because we either got voted in or out.

I think we did. Yes, you do. You do have to vote them in. And I don't think there's been anyone that's been not approved thus far. It's like a NASCAR waiver. Has Sturhaus racing been involved in charter discussions on the new agreement?

has what now has sturt house been involved in charter discussions in the new yeah yeah yeah i mean they've been part of this sport for quite some time so yeah absolutely and again we're all speculating on what the future might be and and apparently it might come today but they might keep racing and and so i hate it you know the kind of the narrative getting out there oh they're just they're just going away and like we don't know that they could be keeping some charters and racing themselves to try to downsize, start over again, and then do this. So we don't know. So, yes, they've definitely been, and they've been a very important part because their ownership group over there, you know, Brett Frood is one of the guys that really has helped them for

quite some time, get where they're at, really knowledgeable guy. And he's, he's, you know, given suggestions and things like that to the race teams. And so you've obviously got Tony, who's been part of other racing series. And you got Gene that's also been part of other racing series. So, yeah, they've been in there. Interesting. Well, I can't speak on their ownership and what is going on behind the scenes and whether or not they will be shutting,

closing up shop. But on the social media side, at least, they've done a heck of a job of branding that team this year. Yeah. And bringing in an extensive, team of social media directors and photographers and creatives and whatnot. So hopefully if they do close up shop that those people migrate elsewhere in the sport because they've certainly been good for it.

Yeah, they have some really good employees over there that certainly will have places on other teams and opportunities if that is the case. So that's what you hope for, right? Is that everyone's able to take care of their families and pick up, you know, somewhere else where they left off at SHR if it does go away. Can I imagine Brownie Childers is like the number one free agent if that happens. Yeah, probably. Yeah.

Should we get into the Coca-Cola three, what did you say? 374.0.7? I thought I saw a graphic or still. It was like 340 something. Yeah. Let's talk about that. So I don't know. it was interesting because you kept thinking, I kept thinking throughout the day, Kyle's still going to get here.

He's going to find a way to get here. There's going to be more rain and indie. They'll push that thing back to Monday. And then everything is going to be okay. He's going to get to run both, even though the weather is destined to screw him over here on Sunday. And then just as it kept getting closer, I'm now watching the start of the 500 as. you know, I think I kind of it realized in my gut that he wasn't when they were saying during driver intros

he needs to be leaving here in 35 minutes to make it to the Coke 600 on time and I'm like oh like that's it's real he ain't gonna you know short of him getting in a crash

early early on like it's not happening and then and so I didn't get to watch the Indy 500 very much. I got to watch really right up until he had that bad restart and then we had to go out and to the driver's meeting. So I didn't get to see any of it and I didn't freaking record. I guess all that stuff's on domain now. But I want to watch and see how he did. Evidently, I mean, he was running in the top five to ten. They said most of the day, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Had a speeding penalty. More than likely, you know, I know Kyle's mentality a little bit. He's probably thinking if it was going into a green fly pit cycle sequence and he's got, if he's running fifth to tenth and he's got a few guys right there in front of him, he's like, I'm going to beat, you know, I'm going to NASCAR these guys. They're going to beat him on Green flag entry and get around them and pushed it too much there and locked up the tires and sped. Man, that's a killer. Killer way to end that, you know, it was still a great run, not a great finish, but it was a great

run that he had apparently. And so I think, you know, overall the, he should consider the 500 success. He was competitive. I would like to see him do it again, not because he missed the 600, but just, you know, you want to see him actually be able to do the double. I mean, it's an opportunity for them to sell more fan gear at all where he was like number one in merchandise sales for the IndyCar. So certainly you saw a lot of blue and is that a couple? Papaya. Papaya. Papaya.

Yeah, it's the official color. It's not orange. Right. Yeah, there was a lot of that going around. So probably got to take the $1,100. Yeah, you're $1,100. Can you switch that, please, to $500? But hey, you can make a new sticker.

It can be like my championship hats every year. Right. You know, you just get a new one. And so you just, they got to come up with a new, slogan for next year. What, yeah, what could have been? What could have been? For sure. And I think

had he had gotten the opportunity to get in the cup car with 150 laps to go, it would have been very interesting to see how far he could have made it to the front. Like, 150 laughs.

Yeah, the car was fast. There's no doubt about it. I think Allgaier deserves to get a lot of credit for the job he did. It's a, man, such a hard job to do to get in there and know that your job is do not wreck this car because when he gets here he's got to get in it um how hard is it that not you know the setup the car

seat is not oh how big of a difference is that kind of wedged in there a little sideways little crooked um it that's a hard job i algear did phenomenal just because when you think about it like he had to creep his way into this race like he had to creep his way into this race like Like, he's running last for the very first part of it. And it's like, oh, yeah, well, he got to because he's feeling this thing out. And he's like, okay, I can't go a lap down. So I need to sort of make speed here. But I can't wreck it.

Like that in these next-gen cars, when you spin out, it happens really, really quickly. And you don't know it's coming at times. And so it's a tough job that he had, but I thought he did a great job. He was running 13th when they came in. for the red flag and it would have been very interesting to see how far Kyle could have took it from there because he was going to have to start in the back. Certainly, certainly not unthinkable that he, you know, without cautions and different strategy and things like that, there's quicker's way you can make it to the front, but how

how far could he drive to the front? And my guess is in 150 laps he had an ample opportunity to drive into the top five. and had a chance. It would have been really close if his car was as fast as, you know, the 9, the 48 and 24, which likely it was, he would have been right towards the front

right as the race was ending. So it could have been a really fun race. Even though his name wouldn't have been on the finishing position, it would have been cool to see him go through the field and finish well. Is there part of you, I know you want to compete, but when you see Larson's not going to be in there and not get any points,

Is there part of you that's like, all right, I kind of like what I can make some movement? Well, it's certainly, you know, if I'm being honest from my standpoint, I'm thinking, okay, we need to get a lot of stage points today. We need to finish well. We could have a 50, 60 point day. And then we could be leading these standings. Yes. That is absolutely my mind, which that's why at the end of the first stage when we had a,

just the pit row is just a fucking disaster market. it was terrible. And so then when we had the penalty on top of that, I was like, mother. Because every time I'm about to get really good stage points, something takes us out of that. And even though we've scored very high on stage points relative to the field, for the most part,

we have left so many out there because of ill-time cautions or whatever penalties, this, that, and the other. So it just was like, damn it, that's that extra stage that was in there. You know, we've got three stages worth of points and then the finish. I'm like, this could be a huge point day

and something that matters towards the regular season. So yes, it centers my mind that I need to optimize the day. Do you get stage points when the races called? Do they say, okay, the running order at lap, 233 is going to be the finishing order for stage three. Yeah. And you're awarded stage points for stage three even though it wasn't wrong. Yeah, Bob Prokker's actually tweeted that that, that yes, they gave us third stage points

and the finish from where we were at in the rain since we weren't at the end of a stage. Because I asked you that before I walked out of the bus unit. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was probably the case. Yeah. So the stage still does exist. it just ended right then the same time it ended the race.

Did your lack of stage points in stage one? Is that because of your pit road issues? What sucks? And I watched the race back and I'm like, dang it. No one got to see how fast my car really was. Not even me. Like I never had the chance to show it.

Like, once we would get to second or third, caution come out. Fitting 10th. Leaving pit road. Like, I just never got to show what I had. And we had just got in my car really, really good. And then the rain came. And it was like, dang it. You know, we were about to be strong.

I can assure you that. And, but I'm, as, as it's raining, I'm like, and I said to my team, I'm like, I hate to say this, but I feel like I should take fifth because I feel like there's more downside for me to continue this race than there is upside. I'm not going to, I just don't know how well I'm going to be able to navigate this pit road thing because the way it worked out that every car that was running worse was in front of the other car. Like, even though I knew that my car was capable of winning, I just didn't think that there was any way out of this pit road debacle.

So with that... You thought the pit road debacle was going to keep you from, like, finishing better than fifth? It had, I had more downside. How was that any different than... I had more downside. Because I came out, the best I came out on pit road any time with, was eighth. I think you lost a spot.

You lost every time, right? right coming out yes all right well you had a civil conversation amongst men yep and and and and and then which was good when I got out I'm looking and I said to Chris show me the video where I'm pitting and and I saw it and I'm like okay well then just move me back it's not that easy and a people were on TV Kevin Harvick was saying well the 11th just got to move back what they didn't understand and what wasn't shown when they were showing the the pit road and everything that was going on i had to go around the 24 yes i had an opening behind me but the timing was terrible every time because the 24 was always two spots ahead he would pull in his tire changers would run out

on pit road i would have to swing around them so that would get me swung out to the right. I had an opening, but if I drove straight from where I had to swing out to get around his people, I would be nosed into my stall crooked. And then I, then I wouldn't be able to get out that way. I needed all the space in my pit road box to get my car pointed to the right. Does that make any sense? Sure. Because it sounds like you just passed the 24 though and boom, that's not an issue. That would have helped a ton. And trust me, it was on my car. radar, I got to get around this damn 24 car to stop this bleeding of it's killing me on entry and it's killing me on exit. It was just a bad, the order of pit picks was just not ideal.

And nobody wanted to pit in front of me, which that's kind of a sign of respect a little bit because, you know, they know that I'm going to run well and you know, you don't want to box, You don't want a pit in front of a car you think is going to run well. Was there anything? Because you're going to have to go around them and then you're going to box them in. And you don't want to have to go around anyone. So people try to pick pits around cars that they think they will outrun. Can we talk about that for a second?

Because we know that a car who qualifies on the pole picks the first pit box. Every other car then second through 30. Goes in order. Goes in order. What plays into that decision for, the crew chief. Well, the first thing you want is an opening in or out. So those are the first pit stalls that will go first when, so say that there is, let's just pretend there's five openings at Charlotte Motor Speedway because, you know, they have access into the garage. So that's considered an opening.

So there's a spot on the entry, you know, before that opening and then after that opening. That's two gone. So that's 10 openings. Let's just pretend that you're going to have. Now you're going to have the last pits box, the very first. one on pit road. That has an opening in. You got the very number one pit stall. Ty Gibbs, your fast qualifier, always takes that. That has an opening out because it's the first one. So let's just hypothetically say there are 12 openings. They typically will be the first 12 pit stalls taken. I qualified 11th. So I had the last choice probably of an opening and it was in front of the 24 car,

who we knew they were going to run well, but we had an opening in. But what sucks is we still think, all right, we're going to outrun them. And we're going to have our opening in, and he's not going to have to, his tire changes will have to worry about me going around him, but he ran well up front all day.

And so he was always two spots ahead. And I always had to swing, around him, try my best to get pointed, and as Kevin Harvick said accurately, these things don't turn well when you're going really slow. So I'm trying to steer to get my car somewhat pointed straight, and it forces me to go all the way to the midpoint of my pit box. I'd love to stop all the way back and have my tail hanging over the back, but I won't be able to swing around his people and get pointed correct to do that. I need more space to do it. So, and then the 17 car, who didn't post a qualifying lap because he was crashed,

was the last got to get picked. So there was only one spot left right in front of me. And it was like, damn. Literally nobody else on the grid wanted the pit box in front of any. No, because they would have to go, if we run well, they're going to have to go around me. And no one wants to do that. That slows down yourself and the pick crew.

And then on top of that, then the worst case scenario comes. The 17's got to come around me. Who's running behind him? The 42. he's got to go around the 17. Who's running in front of the 42 or behind the 42? The three car. It was the worst parking jobs you've ever seen.

It was terrible. And so I'm on the phone with both the 42 and the three during the rainbreak saying, what can we do? Because Scott Graves, Bushers crew chief and Chris came over was like, we're trying. Like the last time, you know, we went deeper, was that better? I'm like, yeah, yeah. I mean, they tried to help us. They really did. And I lost my on the radio because I did, all I saw was the first couple pit stops when their back was hanging

out of the pit stall. And I'm like, come on. Like, we're racing for the lead up here. I don't know where he's at at the time. I'm like, that's just kind of, this is not the right way. But he's trying to get out because he knows he's going to get boxed in from the 42. But the 42 has his car hanging out because he doesn't want to get stuck behind the three. And I'm like, somebody has to go deep. So I'm on the phone with Austin. Austin, can he just, because he's the first guy that has an opening out because whoever's put it in front of him is long gone.

He's running so far back on the lead lap that that car in front of him is gone. So his job then is to go deep in his stall because he's not going to have to worry about pocket and boxed out. That will at least put the 42 in a position where he's going to be in a position where he's going to that he can get out so he's not going to be so aggressive backing up to box in the 17 and the 17 won't have to be so aggressive

to box me in it is the worst case scenario and it's crazy that on a mile and a half racetrack the track that is that big we have stalls that small like that is can we redraw the lines at Charlotte Motor Speedway like we've got to have some standards when it comes to pit pit stall size How different are these compared to other?

There's some that are just way bigger. I'm just trying to think of a smaller track that has bigger stalls. Like Richmond comes to mind that I believe has got much bigger stalls on a much shorter racetrack. There's the ability. And the thing is that there's stalls at Charlotte that they do. don't even use. There's like two on the back side, one on the front side. Like, can we utilize those pit stalls more and then redraw these pit stalls to be more adequate? Because to me, it's a, I am really close to rolling over the ankles of the 17 rear changers, like really close. I got to get out.

I can't sit there and wait. So I'm trying to spin my car to get around his bumper. And and I'm barely, I mean, barely clearing him. It's just, to me, it's like, can we say safety is a problem here? Where I'm, eventually we keep going the way we were going a couple nights ago. Like, we're going to run over some pit crew guys. But is this, is this just a matter of like unforeseen circumstances, right? Because typically the guy, the car who's picking that pit stall ahead of you, if that's the very last pit box to be selected,

that car is going to be lapsed down. Usually. It just so happens that it was Bisher this week. Right. Right. And Reddick. Busher and Reddick had no choice of pit stall. What ended up great for the 45,

the two in front of him were lap down cars, the only two of lat down. So he had a clear and clear out, and he had no choice of pit selection. Like how often is this actually an issue? It doesn't happen often, but when it does, you certainly got to have a heads up in your brain

of like, oh, people are not going to want to pick around us, so it might be a good car that gets in front of us. But I mean, it's all, it's hard to predict that. So it's tough. I mean, there's always games going on. There's always crew chiefs with big teams going to the small team saying, hey, pick in front of us or pick behind us.

Yeah, that stuff's going on all the time. So it was, I certainly could have done a better job looking back on it for sure. I would say I tried. I knew that I was going deeper than I wanted, but I needed that space because I couldn't get around the changers on the 24 without running them over. So it's just a tough spot because we're on a big track and the stalls are so small that it created the worst case scenario because everyone who was running better was one stall behind and just create we needed somebody to mix up the order like let's just pretend we could get

austin dylan to run ahead of john hunter nemesheck he then could park normal and straight in his box then the 42 would come in later and know that the three is now going to be gone so the 42 will now get to go deep in his box because the three came in before him. He knows he will not get boxed in by the three. So he will go deep into his box. Allow the three to finish his stall. They both leave. Everyone's good.

He now leaves room for the 17. 17 will then go deeper because the 42 went deeper and it will leave room for the car behind and then the car behind and then the car behind. It's just an interesting thing that you don't know happens in the middle of a race that happens. Yeah, cars go laps down. That plays a role. Cars crash out.

That plays a role. Opens up pit boxes. There's a lot of things that factor into what makes a good pit stop for any certain driver. Were you surprised that NASCAR called this race

when they did? Yes, I was. Because I got a text. Let me bring it up. I want to make sure I'm accurate here. I mean, me and Chris were talking about what adjustments we're going to make once we go back.

But he said, like, we need to stay close because the track is drying quicker than we thought. Yeah, I can't find it. I don't want to hold this thing up. But basically, he was like, hey, we're getting close. So just be ready. what do you need out of the car, blah, blah, blah. And so we're talking about it. And so I said, all right, I think we need to be here, there, I need this, I need that.

And so we thought we were within 30 minutes of going back. And goes against what other Dirty Moe podcasts have said. Yeah, they said, I guess Jordan said that he looked out and it wasn't close. He said the track was still wet and even other crew chases. wasn't dry if it was dry we would be out there of course it was wet but i think he's giving you a very broad statement and saying that it was wet it was damp in some areas yes it was still damp but it was there's wet tracks there's damp tracks there's dry tracks it was on the verge of of being dry really quickly so once you get the top layer of wet off like the actual

sitting water and you now just have a somewhat damp track, it's going to dry. And what NASCAR was saying is that, well, it's humid, so it's not drying. The only counter to that and what Jordan also said is that there was no track drying at all, nothing drying the track, and one hour later it was dry by itself. So would it have taken longer than they expected? Yes Should they have ran the Coke 600? Yes.

I mean, if it, again, listen, I'm probably not a fan of racing at 3 in the morning, 3.30 in the morning, whatever. But, man, you had so many people there. You had a sold-out crowd. You just had an hour and a half of drying, so it's not like you had to start from scratch. Like it was it was there like one more quick pass around and I felt confident from the track cameras that I saw.

I felt like it was pretty close to like getting us out there, getting us suited up. We're going to finish pit road. We're going to let you run. Like I think they canceled it at like 1115. Is that correct? Somewhere around that. I thought in my mind from what I saw that by 12 o'clock we would be racing. I mean that might have been wrong it could have been plus minus 15 minutes let's just say it's 1215

they needed one more hour just let me know at 1215 the track was dry so that you know do you think you got two more hours of racing that puts you you know 215 230 is it too late that's pretty late they started an f1 race by the way at 1 a.m in Vegas 1 a.m. Eastern, they started it. Hell, they ran practice, I think, at 3.30 in the morning in Vegas. When that whole pothole or whatever happened? I mean, what does it matter? The people were there.

How much does a role? It matters probably to TV. How much of a role does TV play into this? That's hard to speculate. But you got to think that it had a role because TV has such a big influence on what you see every week. And I don't mean like what you see from a camera, the show, the distances, the dates, all that. TV is the control arm that does it all.

So I don't know how much of a role they had in it. Who knows? I mean, is it union? Are they punching out saying it? We've reached our eight hours. We're out of here. I don't, hell, I don't know. No idea.

I don't know. That's surprising because I look at, you know, tweets about the Indy 500 coverage, and that was up 8% from last year and 10% up from 2022. So people were watching a rain delayed Indy 500. I'm assuming a big factor in that was the Kyle Larson effect. But now you have Kyle coming back to this. car fans tuning into the indie 500 right yes and now you have kyle larsan coming back to the coke 600 to get in the car you surely you're going to have people you would think indy car fans watching the coke 600 you would think so

and that no matter what you would want to people are going to if they're going to stay up late it's the night before memorial day correct right um so you had the people there people on tv would want to see Kyle Larson running. I think what's what could have helped if the communication was better on all fronts. I think what made this most disappointing

was that the rain stopped at 1015, 1030, whatever it was, and it committed to drying the track. I thought, as soon as the rain came at whatever time that was, oh, this is over. It seems like

when you start committing to dry on the track, you're going to see that through. We have not seen very, it's been pretty rare that they start the process and say, no, just can't do it. Right. Especially, I saw dry pavement.

You know, we have access to track camera feeds, and we can see that it's, it's getting there. It's getting there. And I just think it was surprising. Some would say disappointing if you're. fan for sure i mean i think that they hammered this race on the jeff gluck pole um i yeah i think that people wanted to watch kyle arson get in the cup car and make a run at it i think they they traveled all the way to charlotte to see the coke 600 and they didn't get to get to see the full thing i mean for an example the race that i won in 2022 i remember doing my interviews at

2.30 in the morning. That race was six hours and 19 minutes long. So it went way past 12 o'clock when it finished. I got home one morning from the Southern 500 at like 4 a.m. If you're thinking, let me, let's just say this. It's easy to Monday morning, or now Tuesday morning quarterback this thing. But if you're concerned about when the race is going to end, make it 500 miles then. At least give us a chance to say, hey boys, we got 100 laps left. When we go back, you got 100 laps. Saddle up. We can't get all 600 in.

We're going to do our best to get this track dry. But when we go back, heads up, you got 100 laps. We're going to the end of stage three. That would have been 50 more laps. Yeah. But you know, you could cut 100 miles out and you would cut out at least an hour, more than likely. I mean, not if it goes green.

I get it. the math doesn't add up there. But it, it, you would, you could, you could run the Coca-Cola 500. I just think that you got to, you were, you were making progress. I would have liked to see them see it through. And I just feel from my perspective that they were close to, the drivers were getting ready. We, we all see the same things. The track was making progress.

It's just, all of a sudden. and they shut down the Titans or the Jetriars and was like, uh-oh, are they about to call this thing? And sure enough, bam. I think it's really telling that at 11.30 at night, there's a roar of booze and the Speedway from fans who were disappointed that they called this thing. I got 1130 at night. You're figuring, okay, time to go home.

Let's go to bed, you know, but people were clearly there that wanted to see. It was a sold-out crowd. A lot of people camped. A lot of people, you know, spend, you know, a good bit of money to come out and support this race. And they want to see it, they want to see it through. And when you have one of your biggest stars just arriving, getting ready to get in, you've now got another storyline. But instead, it's, I mean, can't even talk about that because it just never happened. I have a solution.

All right. Let's scrap. the roval. Amen to that. We run the Coke 600 in a couple months. Yeah, need to. Or at least the other... Actually, I need an explanation. While coming into the racetrack, there is a road course being built behind Charlotte Motor Speedway.

Can someone on social media tell me what that is going to be for? It has lights as well. It's somewhat hidden. I've not seen any things about it, but can someone on social media tell me what is this road course being built? And it's kind of like in the wood, like it's got trees around it. It's,

it's pretty, it's somewhat narrow. So I don't know that it's going to be like an actual. Denny Hamlin keeps complaining that our roval is raced in the parking lot of show that must be. Hey, I'm not the only one it says it. And move it outside the track on real pavement. Ovales are the strong point of next year. What are we doing running through the parking lot at the roval?

I do not know. And now they reconfigured it. Great. That just tells you that the track needed another storyline to keep this thing going. Christopher Bell is declared the winner of this race, his second race win of this year. I don't know. Crown Jewel win, right? I love Christopher Bell in Victory Lane.

His voice always gets higher and he talks faster. If you listen to Christopher, and I listen to him quite a bit because he's a person you want to listen to in our meetings, the way he talks there versus when he's happy, when he's happy, he changes his tone. His literal tone of his voice changes. It gets higher and he speaks faster. And I love that. I can always tell Christopher's feelings based off of how he's talking.

And so it was good to see how full of joy he was and his wife was when they called it. You know, they were celebrating in the motorhome. I'm happy for Christopher. He's had a tough, tough go the last, you know, a few months with some wrecks and whatnot. He's had speech. He just couldn't finish there. But certainly a deserving winner of the race. given how strong he was all day.

Yeah, how, I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see it play out. I feel like it was just getting. It was about to come to head. The 11 car was going to come to the front. We were all, we were hanging around fourth to fifth, and then a caution would come out. We could go back to 10th, then we had to go back forth. We were going to be up there.

The five would have, you would have thought he would have been driving, crazy to get himself back to the front. It would have been an interesting battle for sure. 24 was up there all day. The 23, the 45, it had just come from the back to the top five. So it was, the six was making a run. Like everyone was starting to make the run to the front, right? Is this thing ended? So it would have been interesting. But at the specific, time the fastest car won. The 20 car won. He was the fastest car. The first couple of segments,

I thought pretty consistently, you would say there's not really an argument there for one person or the other. He was the guy. And when he put himself up front when that rain came. So the best car and driver won during that given time, and they deserved it. Did teams know or were they prepping for this rain?

that this could be the end of the race? Yeah, I'm assuming all the drivers kind of got a heads up about it. Chris told me at the end of stage two, so last lap 200, he says, I think it's going to be here in about 25 to 30 laps. It came out in about 40 laps from there.

So it did come, but hey, we all, we knew it was coming. And I think most of the field did and so everyone kind of raced accordingly probably those last 50 laps does this put chris for bell in that fourth car um pick for your for your for your final four drivers does this move him i don't like overreacting too much to week by week i think that they clearly had the capability and speed to do it they've shown that year after year i think they made the final four two years in a row um he's now

getting some wins to get some bonus points. That's one thing he hasn't had a ton of leading up to the previous seasons. But he's working on getting more now. And so he's probably got 10 bonus points. If he can get himself in the top 10 in points, he'll get some more points there. He's always had to win his way into the final four. And he has. But it's just, it's easy to react and say,

oh, he's the next. He's one of my final four, and he very well could be, but it's, I don't know, you just need a little bit more of a sample size, and I'm saying even the first half of the regular season actually still isn't enough of a sample size to pick your championship for.

He's got 14 playoff points. 14. A couple stage wins. Four of them, to be exact. Yeah, wow. Didn't realize that. Dear, Danny, we got some questions. that we want to ask. I got the race.

I got one dear dene' I got one dear denny for you. And with DBC, it was more of the same. Now we're caught on you because you're our own hope. This ain't the race track, so maybe you won't choke. I got one dear Denny for you, and you kind of already answered this. Is it too late to scrap the roval? I think a better question is, could you change a race?

mid-season. It's a little easier when the race would be at the same track, but could you decide, hey, we're not going to do the road course, we're going to switch it to

the Oval? I'm not sure. I don't see why not. It's the track owns the date and they change tracks all the time. You know, track treatments and I don't know. They change tracks all the time.

So I don't see a reason that it couldn't. Yeah, it won't. But, you know, They're already trying to sell the extra corners there for the roval for the passing zones. For the record, it will be better. I do think that the added, I think, turns five or six or seven or something like that,

it's creating a couple more heavy braking zones that will allow for the chance for passing. Certainly the tight corner down there in turn NASCAR turn one. It's going to be a calamity corner. I think it's going to get jammed up with cars when someone gets turned sideways. But I think chaos is part of what we do and part of what people love at times. So, you know, we would all love to be on the Oval. There's not a, I'm not going to say not a driver. There's probably four drivers that would say, yeah, keep us at the Roval.

There's 32 other ones that are like, no, put us back on the Oval where we belong for sure. You know, they started this roble because the racing was hard. It was a hard sell when we went to the Charlotte Oval for the playoffs. You know, people didn't turn out. And I would argue people are not turning out more for the roval than what they would for the Oval nowadays. So I think that our car has better racing on the Oval's. And obviously we're still trying to figure out how to make this thing,

you know, be competitive and race well and not be terribly tight. in traffic on the road courses. I have one dear to any question. Should Kyle Larson get his waiver? I do. I got asked that question by a couple of people at JGR, not executives or people I work with.

You might have been on the golf cart. No, you weren't. I think you were still indie. But they said, so you think you should get a waiver? And I said, quickly, yeah, absolutely. They're like, really? So what if you want to go race Lamont next year?

Should you get a waiver? I said, hmm, that's a good point. I didn't think about it like that. What defines a major event is there are lots of major events. Now, again, if Kyle wasn't missing this to go to a high limit race, you know, he, he was missing this to do the Indy 500. And the Coke Cola 600. And the Coke 600.

I don't know how NASCAR feels about him choosing Indy over the Coke 600. But I think it would be hard pressed for you to convince me that the Coke 600 is a bigger event than the Indy 500. Would anyone make that argument? Clearly it's not. They canceled it halfway through. Ding. I don't know. I think yes, he absolutely should.

I think absolutely he will. I would think that they would have a tough time. I would think it would be very hard that they made this decision without already consulting with NASCAR on what they would do, right? You would think that Rick has already talked to Jim said, hey, Jim, we're going to get a waiver, right?

just in case. Maybe that happened. Maybe it didn't. I have no idea. But you would think that some executives would have some talks with NASCAR on the worst case scenario and what would they do? And you would think as many waivers has been handed out that they would. The only difference, and I saw people say before, well, Chase Elliott got one when he was

suspended. Yeah, but he wasn't allowed to race. Kyle was allowed to race and had an opportunity. race. It wasn't, he didn't have a physical injury because the other waivers that have been handed out is because of suspensions that NASCAR has said, you will not be racing, you do not have the opportunity to race, or there's been other physical injuries that has kept people from competing, like an Eric Jones for example. This is just a unique situation for sure that, you know, my guess is they will, you know, give them a waiver, which is fine by.

me, absolutely. I mean, I want to compete. No, I want to compete with them in the playoffs. Would you also hate that if this is the year you won and he didn't get it, that there might be an asterisk then? Oh, Jesus Christ. Can't ever win. Even when you win, you lose. I think we had a post, you know when I lose, I win, but even when I win, I lose. So, yeah, I don't want to hear that nonsense. Yeah, it's a tough predicament for everyone to be in. It was a, listen, he lost out by not being able to collect any points for the 600, right? I mean, that really was the penalty in my mind.

I mean, and I think it's a fair one. Yeah, that's a significant penalty. Christopher Bell made 67 points in this race. Yeah. That's almost a two-race advantage that Kyle Larson missed out on two-crime. Christopher Bell. Sure. Right?

Like if you would win the race, you would have gained 67 points on him. That's significant. Yeah. Yep. Instead, it was 45. Yeah.

I think one thing that's just overlooked is how much this play, how much that this is good for NASCAR, right? Like the whole documentary crew that's been following him for the last year and the, you know, the documentary they're putting together of Kyle Larson running 8500 and the Coke 600. Like when that in Evely comes out, like that's good for NASCAR like there's more good

in this than bad I think I had a friend that doesn't follow racing at all text me why is Twitter going nuts about tracking a plane so like you were polling in people that don't give a damn about racing yeah it's good

it's good for both series Indy car and NASCAR it's good for both mutually beneficial for sure I think we saw that in the ratings you can't it's hard to argue that a rain delayed start is up 8%.

So, I mean, I don't think that we need to solve that riddle. Before we close this podcast out, we have any updates on Ricky Stenhouse is fine from upper management at NASCAR? Oh, let me check. Negative.

No response. I at least tried. He's tried. So we're going to just give our opinion and say it's a total sham and he should have got the same penalty I got. And you're not cutting that out, Travis. No.

Don't even ask. Don't ask me. We got a review this week from Jay Hardy 63. When I meet fellow race fans, I love to cringe. I love the cringe I receive when I tell them I am a Lugano and Kyle Bush fan. I never really had an opinion on D.H. Until the rear. How is that?

This guy's got problems anyway. If he's a Kyle Bush and Ligano fan, that's oil and water. I tell you, I'm fucking up this read, though. I never really had an opinion on DH until the roar of the booze after Bristol. Needless to say, I've grown to love the podcast

in all the ways D.H. is using it to affect the sport. Thanks to the great show and all the ways it's changing NASCAR. Oh, great. Appreciate that, Hardy. You left, didn't even read the full. Isn't there one more line?

No, it's, no. There's not. Just in parentheses, someone else can boo him for this review. Yeah. He's given away. his boot to someone else. Nice.

He's passing it. Nice. All right. Well, thanks for that review. We appreciate that. Appreciate you listening. I don't know. You might need to get your head checked if you're a Lugano and Bush fan.

So I appreciate your review, but I can't. You're going to have to hit me up on social and let me know how you became fans of both, because these two guys are might be as opposite as you possibly can. possibly you can get. And maybe that's what he just wants to cover his bases. Right. I know where he's coming from. I get it.

Yeah, but you're financially obligated to. Oh, yeah. Better half dash. Is that tonight? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah.

Jordan's doing good. Yeah. I think her time was really competitive. Based on the Purple Vest go-cart race. I think Jordan's time was super competitive. What were you running in that race? I think the best I've ever run at Trackhouse GoPro is like

66 or 65 And Jordan was running that right? Yeah, yeah, she was. Also, I've heard that the carts are different so Denny, if you can find a way to make sure she gets one of the good cards. Yeah, I don't think it's going to matter in that race. I don't think equipment is going to matter. I hear, so the favorite, I think is

Justin Haley's. Haley, Haley, Haley, Haley. or Nemech's Help me out here. Taylor. Taylor, Neimancheck. That's going to be my pick. One of those two.

We'll see. I can't remember who was competitive last year besides Zane's wife, McCall. And she is no longer in it. She's passed over the torch to whoever takes it this year. I heard there was some massive wrecks in this race last year. There was.

Are you going to film this, Jared? I'll be there. I'll be there. We're hoping, listen, we're hoping to get a good points day. Good top five. Good points, day. This is the only race. This is the Daytona 500 and the championship.

All right, how about this? Let's get her on the podium. Right, they have a podium. There we go. Yeah, there are podium. All right. We're hoping to get the fish on the podium. All right, well, thank you all for tuning in, and we will see y'all next week.