Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Could Talladega Decide the Whole Championship?

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

Welcome back to Actions Detrimental presented by Bob’s Discount Furniture. Chase Briscoe joins the show for a wide-ranging conversation about his relationship with Denny, how they first crossed paths, and the infamous Indy wreck that still gets brought up years later. He also reflects on making the move to Toyota, the learning curve that came with joining JGR, and how working with James Small has helped him continue to improve. With The Chase getting closer, Chase breaks down the new playoff format, the importance of stacking stage points, and the drivers he sees as being on the bubble. He also looks ahead to Richmond and Darlington, discusses the tight points battle, and explains why consistency could be more important than ever once the playoffs begin. Chase also shares what it is like racing alongside Denny, why Denny is so difficult to catch on a bad day, the pressure that comes with pit stops, and what goes through a driver's mind when things go wrong on pit road. There is plenty of fun mixed in, from fishing and driver group chats to getting a text from Kyle Busch.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. What's up? Not much. Yeah, excited to do this. I'm a listener of the show every week. You've done door bumper clear. Yeah, this is the trio. I finally did all of them.

This is the last one on the bingo card. So yeah, I've done DBC. I've done Dale Jr. And then, yeah, now doing this one. So, yeah, finally knocked out, I guess, the Mount Rushmore of NASCAR podcast. But you're without? I'm without my partner here. Noah's normally doing these with me.

So I feel kind of weird, truthfully. I don't know what to do or what to talk about. Normally he kind of steers the ship and just, I just react. Noah's a good guy to just riff off of. Because you just never know what he's going to say. The problem is it just goes so off the rails, so quickly. that you have no idea. You can be talking about racing,

then military school, and then candy, and yeah, it just goes off the rails really, really quickly. But it is fun to do podcasts with him because, yeah, you just react and can talk about whatever.

Did you first, I have just this question, did you first meet him at SHR? Or it is like your relationship go back a little further? Because it feels like you guys are, been boys forever. Our relationship started.

I'd never heard of Noah, knew anything about him, and Daytona Truck Race, 2017, was our first time ever, like, you know, racing on the track. And I wrecked him lap one at Daytona, like absolutely destroyed him. You know, it was my first ever NASCAR race. And, you know, I had to watch Daytona and Talladega, and, like, you push people, right?

And we come out of the tri-oval, take lap two, and I just pushed him thinking that's what we do. And I've wrecked him and caused the big one, like, first life of my NASCAR career. Then we go to Martinsville for the second race of the season. I wrecked him again there. I got underneath him and, like, got loose and wrecked him. And he came down there and was cussing me out. And he was like, that's two in two weeks. Like next time you're getting punched in the eye and was yelling at me and all this stuff.

And so then we didn't talk for like two or three years. And we raced against each other a little bit at Exfinity. And we'd always be kind of racing for the wind. So naturally, like there was a little bit of back and forth, like just as far as like, hey, you know, how's your car or whatever? But yeah, then when he came to Stuart Haas, that was the first time I'd ever really talked to him. And we just kind of hit it off. I had a buddy that I grew up with. and Noah reminds me so much of hanging out with him.

So it's just been a lot of fun. Me and Noah have really hit it off, I would say, since that Stewart Host year. And, yeah, just have hung out ever since. Wow. Yeah, I feel like everyone's got a buddy at some point in their life that Noah reminds him of. Chase, you're actually, you are in a photo. I think the first person we've had on the show that's in a photo on this set. Oh, yeah, yeah.

What is that one? Yeah, so that was Indianapolis. I don't know. It was my rookie year. So 21, I think. Yeah, everybody thinks still that I wrecked Denny on purpose that day. And I would take a lie detector right now on the show just to verify it. But yeah, so that day, Indianapolis, obviously, my home race. It's rookie year. It's the road course. And I started, I think, on the front road, led some laps. Then we had break issues. And so, yeah, we like short pitted at the very end, hoping to catch. of caution and we somehow caught one. So then I found myself on the front row after being like 34th. And we had a restart. I remember it was Denny and I. Caution comes back out. And I remember under that caution, I was like, all right, I'm probably going to get ran wide and turn one. And so I was looking at the grass and I'm like, if I get pushed out there, I'm just going to go wide open as soon as I get there and try to cut back in front of everybody. So yeah, go down into one

and obviously I get ran wide, but we both kind of missed the corner, and there was no way I was getting back on the racetrack. So I just gas the thing, go wide open across the grass, and come out, and I remember looking in my mirror, I'm like, okay, I'm five car lengths ahead of the field now. This is not going to go over well. So I lifted, let Denny get back in front of me, and I forget what the corners are.

It's like, I think it was 8, 9, 10. It was like these quick little, like, S's. And in Xfinity the year before and even in Cup that year, I would murder the field through there. Like, that was my best part. of the racetrack and I would like carry partial throttle and I would just run straight across him and almost run through the grass and just make it one straight away and so I go into turn eight behind Denny and I'm like on his bumper right well I was going to go turn off right into turn 10

I think turn 10 was the right hander after those so I'm like on him just because I was so much faster he there well he goes to turn left to like set up for that next one right when I was shooting right to try to pass him and I mean I saw smoke him in the right rear right as we turn off and so I wreck him um or he spins out or whatever and so I remember coming in and then they tell me right after that happens you got a penalty so I pull off and I come in and Tony's like man I'm proud of you for staying your ground I'm thinking in the back of my mind like I didn't reckon my own purpose but yeah buddy yeah you got it yeah and uh so then yeah it was like a two-week thing they were dinnia like I remember we had to go sit

with NASCAR, Jay Fabian. I remember Stopped us and was talking to us about how. Because I think Denny was mad at the time. He thought that I knew I had a penalty. I didn't know I have a penalty in the first place. But yeah, if you guys have a lie detector, I'll come back on the show and gladly take it in person. Because everybody, even like now on weekends,

I'll have people every now and man, we remember when you wrecked Denny. Thanks for doing that. And I'm like, all right, yeah, okay, thanks. Yeah, I didn't do it on purpose, but that works. But yeah, the perception of it was not great. but that's what that picture's from. I just remember my PR girl.

I was standing there doing the interview, and she was freaking out. She's like, he's coming down here, he's coming down here. And then that was like, yeah, my first altercation in NASCAR, and I think that's the only one I've had since.

Yeah, I remember it was, it was funny because it's, you know, Indy's a long pit road. Oh, it's so long. Yeah, so you were down towards the front

for whatever reason. Yeah, I finished dead last. And I think, well, he would have been back there too, I guess, but yeah,

I don't know why we would have been so separated. I just remember all the, all the crew guys were walking with them. I was like, like, this is going to be a huge, a huge fight. It was,

it was not that whatsoever. Yeah, we came down there and he was just like, what were you thinking? And like, like he was saying, he's like, you knew you had a penalty.

I'm like, I had no idea that I had a penalty. And even if I had a penalty, like, yeah, I don't, what you did, I even told him when we met with NASCAR,

I was like, Denny, I was never mad at you in the first place because if I was rolls reverse, like I would have done the exact same thing. I would have just pushed you wide there. That was what you did at Indy, going into turn one on starts. So yeah,

if I didn't know it was coming, I wouldn't have had a plan to cut through the grass anyways. So, yeah, that was just kind of the restarts were to Indy. They were super chaotic into one and you'd always get pushed wide. And so, yeah, I didn't think he did anything wrong in the first place. Yeah, I remember I'm watching the replay here now and I remember the optics were just like. The optics were super bad. Yeah, on TV, it's at the bottom here. Penalty. Yes. Chase Briscoe. And, you know, I remember NASCAR when they set us down. um they like went back and played all of our audio because they said penalty but that was on channel too so like i never hear any of that yeah and so when they went back and played it all i don't i never

we never talked about it since but i think denny knew that after i didn't even know i had a penalty yeah yeah man i was really hoping that we were going to have a race winning trophy on this table this morning yeah i thought uh i thought it was going to happen which is crazy to think of richmond that's like my worst track in the world um yeah i just uh Yeah, great car, obviously, started up front, let a lot of laps. And, yeah, the whole night was odd because it was kind of me, Lugano, and even Denny there, that one run. He came flying up through there. But it seemed like everybody's car would just go through transitions.

Like, there was that one run where my car wasn't very good, and that's when Denny was really strong. But then Joey was, like, unbelievable that run. I don't know how far of a lead he got to, but I couldn't even see him. And then, you know, I got the lead, and Joey kind of fell off. and I drove to, I think, a three or four second lead. And then, you know, we would just keep swapping runs, like where I would be really good and then he would be really good. And, yeah, for me, I just lost breaks at the end.

I think it was around 60 or 70 to go. You know, I had a three-second lead and I just lost breaks and started getting really, really loose. And it allowed Joey to, you know, eat up that three-second lead. And he passes me. We both pit. I come out right behind him. And even that last run, I thought I was better than him.

But, you know, if I could have just had even a half-second lead when we put it, I probably win the race. But yeah, giving up a three-second lead with 60 to go for Green Flag Pitstops. It just cost you. So, yeah, Joey Lugano getting hot at the right time, of course. In an even year. Yeah, even year. It's crazy.

I saw a stat the other day in six weeks. He's went from 20th and points to eighth. Yeah. Like that's mind-blowing. So I know there's with this whole new chase format, you know, the how they've run it, whatever, the AI, that you have to be in the top six to win. That's what they say, but it's really not. It's really, I mean, I feel like you can be anywhere.

I mean, top 10 even. I mean, look at Joey. I think, yeah, so he scored 73 points. I scored 52. I finished second and third in the stages. I think he finished first and third in the stages. But, yeah, he scored 19 more points than me. So, yeah, if you're, I think, the difference in fifth and tenth in points when the chase starts is 25 points.

I mean, you win a race. You're right back there. Same. So, yeah, I think if the chase is going to come down to if you can win, call it three of the races and you just average no dnfs i don't see how you could get beat um you know and it's different like you know denny's in a little bit different position because he will start with more points but yeah i think if you like if a guy goes on a 2011 run like tony stewart and wins five of the 10 like he's winning the championship as long as he doesn't d and f the other five so

how the format is now i think it's perfect because it still rewards winning you know those 15 extra points just make such a huge difference. You can eat up such a big gap really, really quickly, but you also have to be consistent. So, yeah, I think NASCAR, honestly, it's kind of nailed it with this format. I'm excited to see how it actually races once the chase starts and kind of how that reseeding works. But, yeah, even for us internally, we've all talked about got to be top five or six in points.

But I feel like, yeah, you can be 16th if you can go win five races. Now, the odds of that happening are probably pretty slim. But I do think that if you get hot at the right time, you can still do it. Did you realize at the beginning of the season that like how much those 15 bonus points really are worth? Because it feels like fans and people weren't really talking about until all of a sudden, you're like, oh, wow, like that's a big difference. Yeah, it's, it's, I would say I did not realize how big it was. And it really doesn't make as big of a difference unless you, you know, if you don't get stage points,

it kind of evens it out, right? If you had no stage points, you're not going to score that many points. you're still going to score quite a bit, but it's when you can stack stage points. You know, if you finish top two or three in both stages and win the race, I mean, that's a 75 point day potentially. So, yeah, it just makes a massive difference because that's, you know, 15 points that nobody else can even get, right? So that's where the huge difference maker is.

So I've really enjoyed how much winning makes a difference. And, yeah, you can still, if you DNF and don't run good, you can still lose positions. I mean, look at Tyler, that nobody thought that anybody would ever. ever even touch him. And now he's fourth in points, I think, only 100 above me. So, yeah, it's a really good format, I think. As a race fan, I'm really nervous for Darlington. Because everything that we know about the standings and who's been good this year

could completely be turned on its head in that first race, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah, especially the Southern 500. I mean, we've seen that race the last couple of years where it's just turned into chaos for a lot of the, like, you know, chase field or playoff field. So, yeah, and then, you know, Darlington is one of those places like Richmond where one untimely caution and now you're trapped a lap down or two laps down and your whole race has changed just because a caution came out at an untimely time. So yeah, Darlington's going to be an interesting one.

I mean, all the chase races are going to be interesting for the right reasons, right? But Darlington is one where when we get through Darlington, you could have a guy that's 10th in points. They go and dominate the race and have a 75, 76 point day. Now they're third or fourth in points and it's all irrelevant what the seating was. So, yeah, it's going to be pretty interesting, I think, as we get going. Going back to Richmond, how does that work when the team you race for is historically so good at the racetrack? Yeah. But you're saying it's been one of your worst. Yeah, I've never finished top 10 there ever in anything.

I think Exfinity, I maybe finished one time in the top 10. But I remember even at SHR, I went two laps down in a Stewart-Hoss, Expendity car, Richmond, like, legit, just two laps down. I was so bad. So, yeah, it is unique when you can go to. a track where, you know, a team is good. And that's been, you know, the good thing I think for me about being at JGR is the tracks that I've historically been really bad at and just don't, you know, feel good at is Richmond, Loudon, and Sonoma. And those are all three tracks that, you know, JGR and specifically the 19 cars been great at. And Sonoma's been arguably one of my best

tracks at Joe Gibbs Racing now. You know, Richmond this year was really, really good. And we go to Loudoun this week. But I think it definitely makes a difference. You know, Christopher, I remember when I came to JGR, I was asking him about Richmond. He's like, your car is still going to drive like crap. It's just going to go faster. And, you know, Richmond is one of those tracks where if your car is just not good, you're not going to go fast. And JGR cars are obviously really good, but it is crazy. Even, you know, leading 170-something laps. Like my car did not drive good. So I can't imagine how bad the other guys' cars are driving too. But yeah, it's just, you know, when you can go to a place where, you a team runs typically good at your car just does do things better it turns better it has more grip

and it makes a huge difference behind the wheel you know harvick used always tell me you can't drive a slow car fast and and it is the truth so did you get better there this year going yeah i definitely i definitely got better um you know james and our engineering group on the 19 they do a really good job, you know, whether it's a track a struggle at or even a track where I'm normally pretty good at, you know, they do just an amazing job of like, this is the things that we're going to focus on this week from a driving technique standpoint. And so I'll go into the SIM and I'll just try to replicate that and kind of make that become second nature because, you know, I obviously when I get in, I have a natural thing that I want to do right. But sometimes that's not what's best for the car or

even the setup. So yeah, I'll just go in there and, you know, hammer out four or five hours of just trying to make how they want me to drive second nature. And, you know, when I get in a racing situation, my normal tendency still kind of come out, but then they can always remind me on the radio, hey, you know, go back to doing this. And, you know, typically it's just so much better for the tires and all these things. So it's been a huge difference maker for my career, at least coming over. And you're just getting to work with James Small and our entire engineering group. Like I said, they do an amazing job, making my life way easier.

On the turdown, they mentioned that James Small kind of challenges you. like how has that relationship been and grown as now year two uh yeah james definitely you know keeps me honest uh and yeah it's you know kind of the perfect pairing i think for myself just because i am so polar opposite than james james is like the most wound up like just fiery um on the chip 24 seven guy and i'm not that guy at all uh i'm pretty laid back 24 seven and so we kind of even each other out you know, I can, you know, when he gets wound up, I can kind of be that calming factor a little bit, I think, and kind of just reset the mood. But also, I do need kind of poked and prided along at time. So, yeah, James has been really, really good for me. There's nobody I know in the sport

that works harder than James does. I mean, that guy will be up till four or five in the morning, running sim, waking up at seven in the morning, doing it again. So it's a great thing to have, you know, that guy in your corner. And, yeah, our relationship, I would say, you know, truthfully, we don't have a lot of relationship outside of the working side. But that's okay. It just works for us. And there's this trust and this confidence between each other that he knows that I'm putting in the work behind the scenes and knows that, you know, and I know that I'm, I know that he's doing the same. Did you have a guest this week on the good race pole?

My guess was 62. I feel like I was going to be close. It was 64 last time I looked. Yeah, 65.2 right now. I'm going to get beat. I think Jordan gets 64. Wait, is the pole still open? Yeah, go vote.

No. No, no, it's closed. Damn it. It's closed. Yeah. I screwed up. I voted yes, and I needed the no vote. I mean, not that it would have mattered now.

I think you need, like, some consultants to help you out, though. It is hard. I will say it's extremely hard because the TV highly dictates the viewers' like experience, right? And so there would be times where I get out of the car. You know, Wilkesboro is one of them. I'm like, man, that was the best short track race we ever had. You could pass. You could run wherever.

and I think I had texted Gluck right after. I forget what my guess was. I was like 83. Like that was by far the best short track race we've ever had. And he's like, oh, the race was terrible. Like I think it'll be in the 30s or 40s. I'm like, how? We could actually pass.

So it is hard. I will say it's been easier for me to guess whenever I'm in the mix for the win, just because, you know, you typically have a little bit better understanding of kind of how the race is at the end. When you don't know what the ending looks like, it's really hard to guess. But yeah, I thought the good race pole is really hard when you're in the car driving.

I thought that I was going to wear them out this year because I'd done it in the past two times and I'd basically hit the number on the percent and I've been so far off this year. There was a couple times I think I missed by 30 points. So I've not been very good. Do you believe that when Denny wins it drops? Do you have to adjust? It's 100%. Yeah.

Like if Chase Elliott wins, you learn which guys make a difference in the good race pole. So like Joey was a tough one because, he can kind of swing either way, right? Like he hadn't been winning for a while, so some people like that. But overall, I would say Joey still brought it down a little bit. But yeah, if Denny wins, it's always down. If Chase Elliott wins, it's always up.

And even at the beginning of the year with Reddick, like I just slowly would keep creeping it down a couple percent because people were getting tired of seeing Tyler wins. So, yeah, it definitely makes a difference who's winning the races. So you guessed 62, but as a driver, like, how do you think this race was? Because you could pass. There was tire wear. Yeah, it was hard.

I would say this is one of the hardest ones for me to guess because I think I literally ran first or second the entire night. Like normally, even when you finish good, like there's points where you go back in the field and kind of can carve your way back up through. But this one was honestly one of the hardest ones I thought because I was on an island for a lot of the race. And like lap traffic I didn't think ever got really, really interesting. And then just any track you go to where there's that many different tire. strategies. It's hard to kind of know how the race. The lap traffic wasn't interesting. I didn't think they ever held people up or anything. Yeah, like the lap traffic was hard because everybody was always on different tires. Like sometimes, you know, the field would do the wave

around. So then they're on way older tires. So then when you get to them, they finally pit. And then they come out and they're three seconds faster than you. So like you never really got into like this heavy, thick lap traffic where everybody was on around the same tire just with how the race kind played out. But I don't know. I feel like Richmond was one of the, the harder ones to guess just because there was so many differing strategies that the i don't know it's just hard because bristol you have that same thing where tires were you know a massive advantage or disadvantage and people loved it but richmond doesn't have that same feel to it i don't feel like for whatever reason so i don't know i've always thought that richmond is a hard one to have a read

on how the race played out like even at the end me and joey were super super close but i never like got there I never hit him or did anything. So like the finish, yeah, the finish was close, but we weren't ever side by side. Like it was almost this cat-mouse game, but I don't know. It was an interesting race, I thought, from that standpoint. Did you have a shot there at the end to get around him?

There was a moment there with like, I want to say four or five to go. I made a little run. I started widening up my corner and kind of started entering high and trying to turn down low and get a good run down the straightaway. And I made a lot of ground doing that. And I got Joey kind of baited in. that was my whole thing. I just wanted to bait him to go to the top to kind of cover it. And then I was going to try to get inside of him. I knew if I could get inside of him,

you know, my four drive would kind of pay off. And I baited him one time to it. And I got probably three quarters of a car length back. I just couldn't quite get there. My brakes kind of started going along at the end again. I started getting really loose. And it just cost me my ability to kind of close that gap up. And he just did a really good job. I mean, he's won a ton of races. And obviously at Richmond, he knows what to do and how to, to manage his stuff. But I thought there was a moment there. I was going to get there.

And then with two to go, I think we caught Eric Jones. And truthfully, how he kind of got by Eric killed me. So he got by Eric into one. And then Eric ran kind of beside me on exit. And that was the difference maker. Once that happened, I think that was two to go. And I lost three or four car links at that time. I knew that my chance of when it was over.

Do you agree with Ty and that if these backup cameras were taking out of the car, the racing would get significantly better? I don't think at Richmond, it would make really any difference. But I mean, certainly when we go to Las Vegas or Charlotte, any of the mile and a halfs, I mean, really a lot of even the short tracks, you know, it would definitely probably make the racing a little bit better just because,

I mean, a lot of the time, like when we were a mile and a half racing, I mean, even when I won Chicago earlier this year, going into turn three, what won me of the race was the rearview mirror, you know, or the camera mirror, just because I was just watching Christopher and wherever he went, I was going to go and take his air because the air is such a massive advantage in this car that as long as you can block that guy and directly get your car in front of them, they normally have no shot of passing you unless they just really back the corner up and turn underneath you. But the backup, or not the backup camera, the TV camera

definitely makes a, just makes it easier. You know, we're in the past when you had that, you know, actual mirror. You could still do it, but your view of it was just very distorted and you didn't really know depth perception. You really couldn't see them. Like you could see the tip top of their car. All you would see is the roof. So like you're watching it and you can still see what they do, but it wasn't near as easy. We're now how mine is it's right here. So I can be driving and it's like out of my peripheral and I can see if a car makes a quick move. So it makes it definitely way easier. It would it would be weird now to honestly race without it. Like I went around it. O'Reilly race this year and I felt completely blind.

Like, not scared, but just, you're like, man, where are guys at? Because you do get very used to it, but I don't know if they will ever get rid of it. But it probably would make the mile and a half racing a little bit better. But we would crash definitely a lot more, I feel like. Would that be good, right? Depends on if you like watching crashes. I don't know driving it. I want to crash anymore, but yeah, probably would make it a little bit more exciting.

You most laps led Richmond in top 10. And how much of that is also, I think last year you were talking about you were just trying to figure out this Toyota car. Like, do you feel now that like you're 100% comfortable with this car? Are you still learning some things about Toyota versus your other past years? I don't feel like I'm learning now. As much as I am, I'm just like fine-tuning things. Like I still go to the racetrack and, you know, even this past weekend and, you know, going to New Hampshire this year, like I'm going to be very much, well, New Hampshire, I'm still going to be learning. But outside of that, I feel like that's the only track where I have like these massive learning current.

to still gain. But now, yeah, like when we go to Vegas or, you know, Charlotte or wherever, like, I just feel like I'm fine-tuning. Like, when I get in the car on Saturday for practice, I know how it's going to drive now. I know what to expect. I know the tendencies it's going to have. So, yeah, I feel really, really good about where we're at. As a team, you know, myself as a driver, I know I still have a lot.

I can be doing better, you know, just as far as managing races and, you know, the more experience you get up front, the better you get. That's where Denny and, like, Joey and, you know, you know, and. all these guys that have always ran up front for multiple years, they're so good at managing the race and understanding when to go, when not to go. You know, Denny, I feel like, is truthfully the best at it. Like being teammates with Denny, I feel like, has made me way better at just running races when I'm up front because he does such a good job of managing his car and knowing where it needs to be.

And, you know, truthfully, has made me a way better driver. You know, I'm not just saying it because I'm on a show, but it's made me a way better driver being teammates with him because he is so good at that. This might be a dumb question, but is there, Travis asked like, you know, now that you're driving a Toyota or whatever, is there much of a difference between like the Toyota, the Ford, the Chevy on track versus like what goes on behind the scenes being in the Toyota camp preparing for a race versus like. Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, every manufacturer, right, it's a different company, each one. So every company has its own way of doing things, its own people internally.

So, I mean, obviously there's different people when I came over here. But even the process, I would say, of how they do things, you know, a lot of us all have the same, you know, tools in a sense. Like each manufacturer has its own simulator. And a lot of them, I think all of them run off the same program. But once you have that program, it's how you use that program and, you know, the modeling and things behind it. And, you know, I would definitely say there's big differences in that, but also a lot of similarities at the same time. Like there's some things that the Ford one does that, you know, Toyota doesn't have. And there's also some things that Toyota has that Ford didn't have.

So, you know, they kind of equalize out in some ways. But yeah, I would say from just how the cars drive even, you know, they obviously are different bodies. They're different engines. So I remember going to, you know, Bowman Gray, the first race. And I was like, holy smoke, like the engine, how it drives. Like how it follows your foot was totally different than what I was used to on the Ford side. And yeah, there's definitely a lot of learning to do those first couple months just because it is vastly different. And truthfully, when I came over here, I thought it would be the exact same.

Like they're all, I mean, they all run basically the same lap time every single lap. But how they get there is totally different. So, yeah, there's been a lot of things that I've had to kind of relearn over the first year and a half now. It was nice seeing Bob's on the 11 car this weekend for the cookout 400. Bob says everything you need to make race day and the recovery after a win. That's right. Whether you're getting race day ready or just trying to make it through a busy week, having the right mattress can make all the difference.

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Travis, I feel bad because I remember, I guess it would have been Friday. Could have been Saturday morning. I don't know. The Denny Bros were in the driver owner a lot. Yeah, you guys were out there. You're getting after it. And Ronnie told. Oh, Lord.

He told Brooks, he's like, your daddy's going to finish second. You know, like, alluding to that he's going to finish behind Denny. but and then yeah yeah brooks mean mugged him but he did call it Brooks was not I don't think thrilled or impressed by anybody yeah Ronnie called it though he did call it I was gonna finish second just to the wrong guy I guess yeah you guys are getting after it when I saw Travis he was uh his clicker was at 37 I don't know what the final count was it's right there on the table 65 65 so you doubled it that's impressive well that was that was the goal right one one beer for every for every one of Denny's career wins yeah that was the plan was so I didn't have a number I brought the

little clicker as just like, you know, have fun. And then somebody threw out a number. I think Alex said 65. Just threw it out there. I'm like, all right. And then I was like, oh, well, that number would make sense. Danny's got 64 wins. I go, the plan is I will have my 65th beer when he gets the checkered.

So what was the time, what was the time period for 65 beers? Thursday. We'll call it Thursday at 6 p.m. to midnight of Saturday. It's pretty good run. Pretty impressive run. That's insane. I've never, I've never even had alcohol. before. I've never had a sip.

Wait, really? Yeah, I've never had a sip alcohol before. Wow. Yeah. I can't relate, obviously, but I've been around people, obviously, that drink a lot. And I feel like that's a pretty impressive run. I mean, that's got to be not rookie numbers. No.

Wait, is this real? Yeah, for real. I've never had alcohol before. Wow. Yeah. You just went way up in my drive rankings. I feel like I relate. Really?

You haven't either? Well, I have, but like, it's not my, it's not really my thing. Jared, you had what? Zero. You had the, you had one. do you not have one beer this weekend? No, no, I hate, I really dislike beer. What's funny, though, is on Sunday morning we woke up

because we stayed the night there. I think Jared was feeling just as bad as me because of like, he just had his lack of sleep and working all day. Lack of sleep will get you. I think I was probably mentally in a better shape than he was. Yeah, maybe. Probably. You're used to that, though, it feels like.

Like, I was up at 6.30 every morning. Yeah, Travis is up. Had you not went to bed, though? No, yeah, I went to bed at, call it one or two that's pretty impressive then i feel like i mean yeah those are still rookie numbers though we had this guy that used to help on our sprint car his uh his name is jim bob and uh he dated some chick one time that drank 72 beers in one day no way so we called her no i'm no she came to the track one time and we called her 72 all day but yeah that's like rookie numbers compared to

yeah your your numbers are rookie compared to jim bob's old girl i'm i'm calling BS on that number i mean it all just depends on what he was like maybe and 87 pounds too. There's no way. I'm telling you. He said he came home one time and there was 72 cans of beer in the house. We did the math. 65 drinks equates to 48 pounds.

That's impressive, really. Back to the race. So Denny had a couple slow pit stops and one of them was because the jack couldn't get under the car. So they maybe had a flat tire or something. Yeah. What's that feeling like when you're sitting there in your pit box? and you know that it's gone long. It is the worst feeling in the world.

I mean, not the worst. There's way of worst things in the world. But in a race, it is one of the worst things you can have happen just because pit road is the easiest place to gain or lose spots, right? And passing is so hard everywhere we go. And so when you have a bad pit stop, you know, a lot of the time you've done all this work to get to the position that you're in, whether that's the lead or top five or whatever. And so for me, I'll have the right side go up.

you know normally the right side always comes up quick um you know that's very rare that they mess that up but then you know sometimes they're slow on the right retire the right front and you're just like man there's one spot two spot three spot like it happens so fast especially with how you know close pit road is now um from a speed standpoint so then you know anytime you feel that it is like just a total let down because you know that your day just got way harder your night got way harder you know for us we got really, really lucky on our group. We had a bad pit stop the first one, but the whole front half of the field had one. Like I think we did probably a 10 second pit stop, which normally you're going to lose

four to five, six spots. And we came out second still. And so the whole group around has all had bad pit stops. But yeah, if you have a 12 or 13 second pit stop in the Cup series today, I mean, you're going to go, you could be from in the lead and you're going to come out probably 15th to 20th. Like it is just a total, or not career ender, but, day ender. And then if you do that under green, obviously,

you're just giving up that amount of time on the race track as well. Are you, like, is any of that in the back of your mind when you're coming into pit? Or is just so much going on and you're not thinking about it? I mean, thinking as far as what, like,

they don't screw this up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, every time. Yeah. I mean, like this past week, I knew that I was in the mixed win.

So every time I came down pit road, it was like, I would feel the right side go up. I obviously, I can hear the guns going and getting the nut off and going back. on. So literally it's like a checklist. Like I would be like, all right, right side went up good. Check. Right side tires would come off. I would hear them come on good. I would hear the nut draw up.

They'd drop them like, okay, we got it through the right side. That's good. Then you pull the left up. Left front would go on, left rude. And I could hear it, right? And I'm just checking the box every single time. And that's a great feeling when all that's happening really, really quick. It's when, you know, you have to stall for a little bit to check one of those boxes. That's when you know you're in trouble. But yeah, I mean, every time I come down pit road, I have all the trust in the world. old and those guys, but you're still like, man, this, this is the part of the race where they're going to either win you the race or lose you the race. So it's a, it's a stressful time every time you come down pit road.

Or sometimes just keep you in the race. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, it's, you know, there's times where I've, I've even came over the radio, you know, in the past and been like, we don't need a killer pit stop. Like, just keep me in the ballgame here because you know your car is going to be really good, maybe on the long run or, you know, you know, if you can just stay in. in third or fourth at the time, like your car's better than the guys in front of you. So, yeah, a lot of it is just, you know, hitting singles and doubles. You don't always need the home run or the grand slam.

Now, that's great whenever you come in, you know, seven and somehow come out in second or third, it completely changes your race. But yeah, a lot of the time, especially once the chase starts, it's all just being consistent, don't lose me spots, you know, or just don't have, we call them those big blow-up stops where, you know, you lose five plus positions. That's where it really, you know, just changes your day, really. really quickly. Let's take a look at the bottom of these these standards. Talked about the top a bit, but the bottom there, do you think anyone goes out, comes in with two to go, or is it

pretty locked up? I mean, I wouldn't say it's locked up. I mean, I think priests, especially going to New Hampshire, is going to be really, really good. I mean, that's his backyard, right? So, you know, 50 points, I don't think is, you know, he's not, I don't think he's going to get 50 points on SVG this week, but if he can cut it to 20, right, going to super speedway anything can happen so i think you just have to try to be within 20 of that cut line if you're below it now if you're above it obviously you want to be as big of a gap as you can get but um yeah i don't i don't think that you know SVG is safe at 50 points just knowing that you're going with you know priest below the cut line even kislauski brad's been really really good at new hampshire and just short

tracks in general um and then you know at a super speedway brad's going to be in the mix so yeah i think Eric has to have an amazing weekend this week to stay in it. But yeah, SVG just needs to go and do what we were talking about with the pit stops. Like just go hit single and double. If you go run top 10, top 15, then you put yourself in a really good spot going into, you know, Daytona where anything can happen. And same for Cindrick. I think he's only, you know, 54 above the cut line or something like that. So, yeah, it just needs to, you go there and just have a clean, solid day.

Like don't do anything to shoot yourself in the foot. because if you do that, that's where it gets really scary really quickly. And then, you know, the cut line there at the bottom is really tight. But the battle from fifth to like 10th is really, really tight, too. It's crazy how tight it is. And that can be the difference maker and you potentially winning the championship at the end of the year. So, yeah, it's a lot of really good point battles. You know, even that battle for second and second through fourth is still pretty tight as well.

Yeah, you're at five. Chase Elliott is at six tied with Bell at seven, Larson. Ligano and then Busher, yeah, I mean, really from, I mean, you're you're ways above. I'm 70 called above Hosevar. But yeah, outside of that.

But that mix there, yeah, yeah, is really close. I feel like for like for Bell, he, if. Growing in New Hampshire, though, that's Bell's playground. I know, I know. If I'm, if I'm rooting for Denny to win the championship, that's, you

and, you and Bell are the two guys I think I'm most scared of. Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't want to see you do really well. Yeah, thanks. I think I would have known that for I committed to this. I think you guys are like the threats. Like there's certain drivers that just don't scare me and you're on the scared list. Yeah, I mean, look, I feel like our group on the 19 has been phenomenal here lately.

Like I feel like we are definitely in championship form. Just got to, I mean, I think that's the hard part. Like for me looking at my, you know, runway to the championship, you know, even if I can finish fifth right now in points. I think Denny would start with 50 more points than me. And the thought of trying to gain 50 points on Denny is just extremely hard to do. You know, he just doesn't have bad days typically. His bad day is a 8th to 10th place.

And so it's just hard to gain 50 points, you know, because Denny's not going to have four bad days in the chase. Like he might have one of those days where he runs 8 to 10th. But on that day, you have to, you know, win the race and get a, a lot of points. But we were talking earlier about those 15 points and how much they can really chew up some of that distance. But Denny is also going to win races in the chase.

So it's going to match itself and even itself out. So it just makes it really, really hard, you know, because it is who's at the top. You know, Denny is probably the most consistent guy in the field as far as his average finish. So him having that 50-point lead to start, it makes it really, really hard to catch him, especially no road courses, makes it hard to gain on. Denny, but then I think Talladega is where the difference maker and where the chase is going to end up is going to happen. I mean, that's where you could lose those huge chunks right away.

Yeah, Denny right now is the only driver without a DNF. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If I said that, Travis, you'd be all over my... Oh, yeah. Jinks in it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my wife jinxed me this weekend.

She, I guess, texted our motorhome driver and said, make sure Brooks is down there for the burnout. I'm like, why would you do that? Oh, you can't do that. Cannot do it. It happens time and time again. If you start putting shoes on and getting dressed to go to victory lane with five to go, something's going to happen.

You cannot do it. And Brooks is going to be ready. He's going to be ready either way. Yeah. He was going to be dialed in ready to go. And if I do win, it doesn't take that long to get out to the front stretch. Like, I'm going to be, you're going to have time. Yeah.

Who does he get his personality from? I don't know. I mean, I have a personality, but I don't really show it a whole lot. but he uh yeah he's pretty wide open uh it's funny he's the most electric kid yeah he'll go do all that stuff but then he was supposed to say the prayer uh Friday night for the truck racing he's like daddy i'm too shy i can't do that I'm like you're not shy dude you talk to literally anybody and everybody but yeah I don't know marissa merza is pretty outgoing too but not near to the extent of brooks like he will talk to anybody and will do anything like he's grittying across the interest

stage he's hyping up the crowd every time we go out and do stuff yeah it's uh i don't know where he got it from i was honestly i guess like that when i was little like i was kind of the class clown type like i would i would like dress up to go to ball games and do stuff like that and then i don't know what happened i just completely changed um but i i definitely had a little bit of that when i was a kid like i was a showman in a sense a showman yeah i was a showman like i was all about you know hyping the crowd up and doing stuff to try to look cool and yeah just change as I got older, I guess. I mean, that's, that's exactly what Brooks is, hyping up the crowded indie.

Oh, that was hilarious. Yeah, he's all about it. He is, uh, he's in love with mascots. So we watch a lot of mascot videos. So I guess that's where he learns it from. Like who's, who's like his, he loves blue, the Colts mascot. Okay. Yeah, so, uh, the blue dance and everything else.

He's all about that. Um, yeah, he's, uh, he's in love with mascots. Like we, he was freaking out at Richmond because shaky, the cookout milkshake was there. and then like Aaron's the lucky dog or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm talking losing his mind anytime he sees a mascot. And then like, we're getting done. He's like, dad, it's just a guy in there.

I know. It's just a guy. I'm like, why are you freaking out over it? He's like, I like him. He's cool. Like, okay, that's fine. Yeah, a big mascot fan. Are you, do you have other superstitions or is it just like things like change?

No, I'm not really superstitious. but that thing, I've just seen it too many times where when you start trying to get ready for victory lane, it always happens. Like, it just completely ruins it. I guess that's the only one where I'm like, just don't do it because it always comes back to buy you. But yeah, I don't really have any superstitions.

Like, I've heard... I mean, I changed where I was sitting sitting on Saturday night because I was like, right now... What you're doing is not working? Yeah, it's not in a good spot. We've got to switch it up. Yeah, I don't... I mean, like, I've heard...

some drivers talk about how like they have to to go through a certain like routine before they get in the car and all this stuff and like there's times I might put my one glove on first and this week I forgot to put my earbuds on before I put my helmet on I'd take my helmet back off like I don't do anything routine or very superstitious what was the moon on Saturday do you think was a waxing crescent that had me gripped up uh maybe that was the difference maker I had not ran at richmond under a waxing crescent so that definitely could have been the difference Are you like into astrology more now? Because in order to know that's waxing crescent, you have to look up to the moon phase.

Well, I have a, I do have an app, not for the moon phase, but for the tides of the water. And so it tells you what the moon phase is on that. So I do see it. But then this weekend, the only way I even knew is a waxing crescent is I opened up X. And there was just countless people, you know, tagging me, hey, it's a waxen crescent this weekend. And really every weekend, I have a couple people that will be like, hey, it's a waning gibbis or waxing crescent this week. So I always am pretty dialed in on the moon phase anymore.

But yeah, the Tide app is what gets me dialed in on it. The SHR, I don't know. It's an SHR thing. Yeah, it's definitely, it started at SHR. We just, we learned we were looking at trends. And when we noticed that speeds were whipped up at certain weekends. and even if it was at the same track year over year, there had to be a reason.

And that's where it came out at. Yeah, I mean, there were times at this HR where you guys really needed to find something like, I mean, that was our secret. Yeah,

that was our secret. There was times. Yeah, we would have it circle on the calendar, night race and moon phase. Back to the chase, you're in kind of a spot where like fourth is probably out of reach. Yeah,

I don't think I can get to fourth. Unless I win this week. Do you guys start to, play games with kind of depending on who's around to just like protect or do you just not worry about anything with that right now for us really I would say it started I guess

two weeks ago me and James talked about how like we just need to treat this as a 14 or 15 week chase because at the time like I mean even now we're only 20 points above 6th like that is a massive difference even though it's only five points like those five points we've seen it come down to one point I don't know how many times

so we just said look let's treat these next 14 weeks as a 14 week chase be as the best championship level that we can be. So, yeah, I don't think for us our approach changes at all. You know, we just have to go to the racetrack and try to put up the most points every single weekend. And, you know, we were doing that at week one even. So it doesn't really change a whole lot. You just, you had to be really smart about your decisions where week three, you know,

you can make a bad decision and you don't feel like it affects you as much. Where now, you know, you have a bad race and you just. really see the difference, you know, in the points. So yeah, for us, I think, or not even for us, more so myself, I'm just trying to be more conscious of that. You know, what is that risk versus reward that makes sense for me to sometimes, okay, this might be a really risky move. Is it really worth one point if I can, you know, wreck myself in the process or whatever? So just trying to be smarter about that. Because when the chase starts, you definitely have to take that into consideration, especially given the format that we're racing in now. As your team run any numbers,

where it's like when you get to the chase, an average of 40 points a race is going to give us the best shot here. We had that early on in the season of how to get to fifth, and I'm sure that we're going to have that once the chase starts. We're kind of have an understanding of, okay, this is the points that we need to strive for. You know, it's definitely going to be over 40 when the chase starts. You're going to have to average over 40 points to win the championship, I think.

So, yeah, I'm sure I'll find out that number in a couple weeks. but yeah right now I have no idea I would just assume that it's going to be 45 to 50 somewhere in there for us it's going to be a little bit more just because we have to you got to make up some ground yeah yeah but at Denny averages 40 he'll win the championship for sure which is cool so if you all you ask is if you and Bell and Gibbs if on restarts and stuff just help Denny out a little bit Travis what I get paid to try to win races you can try but I'm just saying on restarts let's let's do a little bit

better and work together. Tell Denny he needs to get his restarts better. It's not my fault. Yeah, the amount of drive. How many drivers this weekend, Trave, did you try to convince just one? Yeah. Well, they said the exact same thing. I also get paid to.

Yeah. Try to win. Try to run. It's my job. What else you got on the sheet, Travis? I know we're trying to wait for, wait for Denny to call in here. Well, he's currently fishing. So I don't know if he's going to call him.

Where is he fishing at? Uh, your boy. Van Dam? No, he's in Missouri. Oh, yeah. He's that... Oh, he's a Johnny? Yeah.

Morris's place. I don't know if Johnny's there, but that's that Joker. Have you been there? Yeah, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah, he'll catch a lot. Have you been there with? Do you know?

Well, they're golfing out there. Oh, okay. So they're at top of the rock, I'm assuming? Yeah, I think so. Call, hit the call button. Big Cedar. Should I just call him? Just call him.

Call him. He's not fishing if he's out there. He's catching. So they, I mean, I assume it's a bass pro thing. They got the biggest and baddest fishing there, right? It's just it's great fishing. Like they have everything that you need to go good. Like the habitats right, like the program is right.

A lot of big fish. But just you're going to catch stuff. Like that's the good thing when you go there. It's not hard fishing. Like you go to Lake Norman here. It's hard fishing. We're there. Like you're going to catch stuff.

Like you know it going into it. What do you make of? Denny's new hobby. It's out of nowhere, I feel like. He's all in. He's lived here with that in the backyard. Yeah, never been into it, I feel like. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. He's all about it. I will say that. I mean, I fish almost every single weekend, and normally we end up at the same spots. Like, more often than not, I feel like. Did he go in Iowa at the little retention pond? Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good little spot. You guys catch any? A three. But they're all tiny, you know? We got a five there last year. Really? Nice. Yeah.

Right outside the, the tunnel. Yeah, right there at the little culvert pipe. Wow. Yeah. That's impressive. Chicago was good. I found a little spot in Chicago that was really good.

Okay. I think we caught probably 25 in like two hours. It was pretty good. I need to come hang out with film fishing content with you. Yeah. It's not 25 in two hours. We don't normally catch big, big ones. We had a place outside of Atlanta that had the potential to be great.

The guy had shocked the pond, like, I want to say back in March, he said. There was seven over 14 pounds. But that place, we only caught one fish. It was rough. But the potential was there. There's a YouTube video, but Denny and Charlie went to some lake in Texas recently.

Like Fork, I think. No, not that one. We went there earlier in the year. There was this other one that's, they did it with Chris Aldane. There's this whole YouTube video on it. But anyway, Charlie caught his, he was, his goal for the year was to catch a 10-pounder,

or above 10. 10 is huge. I've never caught a 10-pounder. Yeah, he got an 11.1.11.6, I think it was. God. What's Denny's PV right now? I don't know. Maybe six or seven?

That could be very wrong. I don't think it's above 10. I don't know if it's above five. If he's out there, there's a chance he beats it for sure. Chase, why don't you face time and see if he answers? Okay. Will my audio be hooked up? We'll make it work.

I don't even know if I have Denny's number, if I'm being honest. What? I'm just kidding. I didn't have it until I think this year. Wait, last year as a teammate, you didn't have it? Do you guys not just have every driver's number? No, I don't have every driver's number. Aren't you in like group text with?

Yeah, that's on WhatsApp, so you don't have their phone number. It just says their name. Is it WhatsApp because SVG? I don't, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. He ain't going to pick up for me either. What if it's like a hard hitting racing question?

You know, like you're really relying on him. I bet I don't have half the field's number. Now I'm curious which drivers you don't have. We can go through them. Who's the most, yeah, who's like the most noteworthy guy you don't have? That's what I want to know. Let's see. What about the Hendrik guys?

Hinder guys. I don't know if I have Bowman's current number. Let's see. Actually, I probably have more than half the field now. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I bet I have more than half now, but I, for the longest time, I definitely did not have more than half the field.

Like, I just got Suarez as this year, after the Dover race. Normally you get them after you get into contact with somebody. That's when you, like, reach out and you're like, hey, can you send me this guy's number? Are you a text or call guy? I always try to call, but then if they don't pick up all texts and be like,

hey, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha. If you want to talk about it, give me a call. I tried calling got voice-men. Yeah, I'm a call guy. Are you low-key hoping that they don't pick up so you can send them to the text? Yeah, 1,000%. Are you... I don't want to talk on the phone?

Yeah, exactly. Terrible. Are you gun shy to put a text in the group chat? Todd Gillen said that he put its first message in there. Yeah, it is nerve-wracking when you're not like one of the guys. And yeah, so I always am like super timid to send something in there. And then if you get like a thumbs up or a heart, you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

Did it? Yeah, it was worth it. My favorite driver text is actually Kyle Busch. This was like the most Kyle Busch thing ever. So he wrecked me at, let's see, where was it? It would have been Indianapolis, the road course race. And this is how the text message started. Hey, Chase, this is KB18.

Just got your number. KB18. I was like, that's so sick. Like, of course I know who KV is. You don't have to add the 1-8. but yeah that was like the alternate Kyle Busch text hey Chase this is KB18

just got your number that's awesome I feel like that that wasn't a nickname that like people were Yeah nobody really referred to him as KB18 That was a good one though Yeah that's cool That's cool

All right well anything else I guess Denny's too busy Oh he's FaceTiming me right now There we go Travis says to FaceTime his phone by the way Denny got us What's going on? Are you catching anything?

This pond's getting out of a blue gillum. They said there's one big bass here. And he's just going for it. It's a pond problem, not a fishing pond. I'm going to throw a chase under the bus real quick. He says it's tough to have street cred when you're fishing in a polo like that. That is true.

I will give you that. There's no way. So if you're listening, he is, Denny's fishing right now and catching a bass. Are you recorded this? I heard some drag It's good You had a 10-pounder and just

You had a 10-pounder and just blew it He was in your hand Dude you gotta hold that thing tighter That's not on us Yeah that's a you problem You suck That's a bad beat right there Charlie's officially better than you at fishing

What is your Peeby It's gonna be 10 plus Seems to be a common trend here It was a decent hook set for sure Yeah, maybe Did you try flipping him up? So you had your hand You had your thumb in his mouth

Well then that you blew it You're too used to having Zaldane Pick him out of the water for you If your thumb was in its mouth Then that It's hard to blame anybody else here You basically landed one though You just didn't get the picture

It's kind of like a final restart And you just can't close it that was that you didn't have to take it there Travis this is the end of the show where you just get the floor it's like it's like hot ones oh gosh uh appreciate you guys having me on uh feel bad for denny didn't land that one that was it's a bad day that'll keep you up at night that'll definitely keep you up at night and you know the whole round of golf now too like he's gonna be thinking about it uh-huh he's gonna miss a put it's because of the fish well I mean, I hate to be that guy, but if you had your thumb in its mouth and didn't get it, like that's on you. Like, you got to just grab that thing so tight.

Charlie's going to love this. He's not there. He's going to love. Charlie's texting me right now about the show and I'm like, wait until you see this video. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, if he didn't get his thumb in its mouth, then it just broke off. That doesn't count. But the fact that your hands were on the fish and you didn't get a picture with it, that's your fault. I love the guy in the background. I saw it.

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