Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Joe Gibbs: Contracts and Jetskis

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

Joe Gibbs makes a surprise visit to talk about Denny's contract with JGR and tell some fun stories about Denny over the years. Why there was so much pressure on Denny to win the Xfinity race. Light went out in Darlington. What happened with the Tyler Reddick when Kevin Harvick went to pit? Playoff standings. Did Denny have a loose wheel? And, Kyle Larson racing with house money the next two weeks.DraftKings State-Specific Problem Gambling Information:In Massachusetts, call [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org, In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In Tennessee and Kansas, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). In West Virginia, Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. All games regulated by the West Virginia Lottery. Please play responsibly. In partnership with Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

No, it's a major. It's another major. I would have been eight. Dang it. I mean, it stinks, but there's nothing I can do about it. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. What's up, guys? Welcome to a Labor Day episode of Action's Det detrimental. Lady in black. Blackout, not really sure. Ooh, Lady Blackout. Boss of Lights. Yeah, good one. Um, yeah, welcome to action's detrimental.

Uh, we, we, I don't have my Xfinity trophy here from the week, nor my golf guys trophy. We nearly pulled off the triple sweep. It might have been the best week of my, you know, athletic career. So fun fact about, about that is back in the first year that I did golf guys stuff with you. So 2019, I think, there was like a three race run where if this was when you had a lot of drivers in the golf guys store, if the driver won the golf guys event, they then won the following race. It's something about the momentum for sure. So those of you who don't know this week, we had our golf guys tour, which is basically the golf league that I run that is filled with, you know, different NASCAR media members, drivers, and. you know, team guys, whatnot. So I shot my first ever round under par at the 500 club.

Fitting, it was the 500 club. And since I was able to win that three times. So I shot my very first round under par and won the golf guys tour event. That was on Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. And then we go on and we win the Xfinity race. And it looks like we're heading towards something great on Sunday. So, Jared, I agree with you. It just as the week was going on and things were going so well,

well, I forgot too. The basketball league started on Thursday. So I had golf, my golf league on Tuesday night or Tuesday. I had my basketball league start on Thursday night, which, breaking news, there's been a trade. I've already traded two of my players to do. Good players. I traded my number one pick.

That's correct. Is that because you don't feel good about your team? I don't feel good about my team. I mean, I didn't feel good about it. Yeah, let's just not get into that. I don't want to throw anyone under the bus. You can keep your warm-ups, your T-shirts, and all that stuff. We'll go order some new stuff for the new guys.

But yeah, two players have already been traded. I just want to ask, did you win the game against my honorary team? Yes. Okay. Yes, which is Tom Norwood's team. Yeah, called Irrational Confidence. I love that team name. So everything was lining up great until

lap 250 something. I don't know. But anyway, so we were able to win the golf guys tour. We won the basketball game on Thursday night. We won the Xfinity race, and then we poo-pooed the end of the cup race. So before we get started, just want to remind you this episode is,

presented by our sponsor, the Birch Gold Group. There's some things that went on this week. You know, we had the 98 truck penalty in the truck series. I completely blanked last week when we were recording this show.

We were recording it on Sunday because the race was Saturday night and you had mentioned that during the show about something going on with the 98 team and I just completely forgot that it was Sunday and that truck race was happening at the same time. It did. And you saw some comments from Carson Hosevar

after the race saying, you know, they got their superpower taken away. Listen, I'm not 100% sure what they were caught with, but they were caught with something that involved right rear tire or wheel. You know, 99% chance that they were, you know, bleeding air out of the tires. That's probably, you know, which is a huge advantage on the long run. I mentioned, you know, when we talked a few weeks ago about how, you know,

Time Majesky, it was the fastest truck I've ever seen on the long run by a long way. Likely they did not have this just for one week and got caught, right? It's just, you know, they dominate some short tracks and some questions get raised. And NASCAR typically goes and starts inspecting things a little bit more vigorously when they see someone's out in the left field quicker than everyone else. they did find something. I thought the penalty was not very harsh at all. It only affects him if he doesn't make the final four,

which I think he's going to make the final four. But even still, the reward, I mean, he won the week before, so he still advances and it took 75 points away. Well, who cares about that? He's still locked into the next round. So I thought that the team definitely got by with one, a little better with this penalty than others that have, you know, tweaked that area of the car or truck.

Which is really just because the timing, right? The timing of when this penalty happened. Yeah. The timing of it, yeah, he had already won a race. It was the second race of that round of the trucks. You know, it's, yeah, it doesn't, to me, change the outlook of the truck playoffs much, much at all. Are you saying that you think the penalty should have been more severe?

Yeah, I think probably taking away more playoff points. That way he, you know, really with him taking away five playoff points, it nullifies the bonus points he got from his win the previous week at Indy, but you got to dig deeper than that. Like, that's just not enough of a penalty for sure. But it's by the book, right? So this penalty fits, this crime fits, this penalty. Yes.

Yes and no for sure. I think certainly it just depends on the severity of it. And again, I don't have whatever illegal item sitting on the table here to where you can see whether this was a very egregious, blatant attempt to cheat or not. That word's harsh, but it's true. It didn't happen by accident. Is it ever on accident? No, not, no. I mean, yes, that's actually true.

there are inadvertent times that you are deemed illegal that is quality control that's the most common cop out the team say oh quality control just wasn't quite good enough or whatever but this this particular thing i believe is a um something that was probably deliberate i'm confident in saying that um so he got a penalty uh JGR decided that they were going to swap pit crews on the cup side for Christopher Bell and Ty Gibbs. I think that's probably a good move. I think the 20 team, they were really strong to start the year. They had some hiccups through the summer, and JGR just deemed at the 54 pit crew, who, by the numbers, was probably one of the best on Pitt Road over the last few months, was just a better, you know,

It's just a known commodity a little bit more than what maybe the 20 was. But listen, they're all a team. We're all a teamwork type. We've seen changing a pit crews in the past. And I think JGR has got their pit department in a lot better spot this year. In the sense of getting guys to buy in that, you know, here's the process. Here's why we're switching. And so hopefully it all works out for everyone.

Is there trying to think how to word this? When you swap pit crews, does it change much like with the driver? Like the way Ty may pull into the pit box versus how Christopher Bell may pull into the pit box, does that affect the pit crew's performance? It does a little bit for sure. But I just feel like, you know, they really want you to stop in a certain spot. And they'll let you know if you're stopping too far left, too far right or whatever. But, you know, you try to hit the sign because the,

When they get down to their knees to hit the lug, they don't want to have to slide one way or another. That's just lost time. We have a guest, surprise appearance. What are you doing here? This is detrimental. I got an actionless detrimental. Joe.

Joe Gibbs just walked in. Hi, Joe. What's happening? I think I'm going to take a seat. I'm going to slide over here, Coach. You're going to take this spot. What are you got for me? Pist stops.

I was in this morning. Well, oddly enough, Joe's just handing me some pit stop data. You'll see that the 11 was really consistent. Yeah, I was happy. Honestly, I thought my team did great all day long. You know, afterwards, I mentioned that, you know, this is just a game of millimeters, you know,

thousands of an inch. And if things don't just go on perfectly, these guys have muscle memory that I hit the lug for a certain amount of time and if there's just a little hitch or whatever it's not tight but it's yeah I was our pit crew I thought did a phenomenal job all all race long they they were on it no doubt about it this is actually the very first loose wheel that I've had in next gen

so yeah I think it also highlights how hard our sport is you know because you can have a night like that. It is so hard to put together the cars and have good cars that get each weekend to the racetrack fast. And it's so hard to do that. And yet it only takes one slight error for a night. And in some ways, you kind of say, that's not right.

But then, again, it is right. And we just got to find a way to make it happen. So I think the first thing you do is analyze. everything that happened and then how do we improve how do we make sure that doesn't happen again or how do I work on it if it's a physical thing which that is yeah and so it's practice it's hard practice yeah no doubt about it it's you know I I love my guys they've they've gotten better as a year has has went on these things happen this is why you play the game right I mean sometimes you fumble a kick off and the other team runs it back and you end up losing the game

but that's what sports is, right? So you've seen it all. Well, I have a bad memory because that's the second time. So I remember those. I think sometimes as sports, I'm kind of weird, I guess, because I always remember the bad things. We're the same way. Yeah, we always know the races we lost, not the ones that we won.

That's exactly right. So you brought me a piece of paper also here. What do you have for me today? Surely you didn't just pop in the door here to talk about a bad pit stop. No, I kind of want to talk about the future. Okay. So it seems like we've been pretty good for each other for a long period of time. Now, I go all the way back.

I think it's one of the great sports stories. And I always tell a little story when I'm talking about Denny. I walked out of a restaurant in Manassas, Virginia, roughly 20 years ago. And there was a kid staying there. It looked like he's about 11 or 12. And he goes, hey, coach, can you sign this autograph? So he said, coach, I figured he's a football fan. And I took his hat, signed it, and his dad took a picture, and we still got the picture.

And I handed it back to him. And when I turned to leave, he goes, I'm going to drive for you someday. He goes just like that. You know, a kid say that to you because you've got a race team and everything. And he said, I pat him on the head, I turn around and leave, and it was Denny Hamlin. And I always, when I tell that story and Denny's around, I always tell him, you didn't tell me I was going to have to pay you a million dollars to drive for me. So that's my story. I tell that all the time in our hospitalities, but people get a kick out of it.

But it's true, and it's kind of interesting how that all took place. JD goes up wanting to buy some late model stuff, finds you, put you in a test, put you in a truck, put you in a X-Fedity and says, let's sign Denny. And gosh, it's been great for us. And really, you've helped us build our race team. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it. It's, well, you've been right more times than not. Every time you give advice, you usually give sound advice when I started this race team a long time ago.

a few years ago, you're like, are you sure? Because the driver sure get the best end of this deal. And I've quickly realized, yes, the drivers definitely get the best end of this deal. But yeah, it's been a great relationship. I see a contract here in front of me. I am going to sign that contract that will keep me in that 11 Camry for years to come. So thank you for everything that you do. For me, obviously it was belief that you had in myself and J.D. and the belief that he had in myself to keep this going. So certainly the relationship between us has been really, really strong. You guys kind of took over when my dad, you know, there's a great poster out there in my garage, and it's me and J.D. sitting on a wall for my very first Daytona 500.

My dad's in the foreground, and that was kind of the passing of the torch, right? And J.D.'s like, you know, I got them from here. So my parents really were a big part of making huge sacrifices for me to get to this point. But then now it's on Joe Gibbs Racing, and they kind of took over as my on-track family. Well, my other favorite story on Denny is when we first met him, he had a beat-up Monte Carlo, I think, and that was it. And so two years after we signed him, I'm staying in the back of my house here on the lake. I like my house. I worked 40 years from my house.

I see this jet ski come around the back. It lands on the lot next door. I walk over there and it's Denny. And I look at him and I go, Denny, what are you doing? He looks at me. He looks at the house next door to me and he goes, I think I just bought this house. And I go, I got ticked off. This house is twice as big as my house.

Okay. And so anyway, that's my other part of the story that tells you. I'm in the wrong end of everything. He doesn't listen to me. I tried to tell him. You got the perfect deal. You're driving a race car. You're going to have fun and drive a race car for a living.

Everybody wants to do that. You make all the money. If we win a purse on the weekends, he gets half. He pays four people to mess around with his motorhome or something. I pay 450 people to work on a race car. And the other thing is, they all got great-looking girls of drivers. So they got fun, money, and girls. So anyway, that's my deal.

You got a good deal. That's a trifecta. I don't know why you want to be an honor. That's the only thing I question. And he doesn't listen to me. I will say that. That's the one other thing. The man never listens to it.

I got two cars. You want to buy them? No, but thank you. I appreciate you. Again, everything your family has done for me. I know that there's a strong connection, the willingness for you to, you know, take a chance on me nearly 20 years ago and then still here when I'm 42 years old

to want to continue this relationship for years to come. So thank you. Well, I can tell you, I think, I can tell you, I don't think you're through. I talked to you at Watkins Glen, and to have a guy that's 42 driving a race car that had struggled some on road racing. And for him to turn around and go to work on road racing over the last year, and it qualified three times on the pole for road races. I think it says a lot about Denny's talent, and we're excited about going forward. It means a lot to all of our guys. We got a lot of people that work there that really care about.

I care. I know J.D. worried the whole time about our people. He was always worried about the people. And so many times we make decisions and everything, I know that weighs heavily on me. But this really, really helps us because it kind of solidifies where we're going for the next several days.

years and so that's what's great and we are going to wind up for good or or sometimes yeah this for issues for 20 years yeah for 20 years we're going to be you know together and uh at least 20 years and you know certainly i've said many times i've started my career with you guys i want to end my career with you guys relationship has been beneficial for both no doubt about it now are you sure you want to pay me this kind of money well you said it was only a million i've never been yeah only a million right Yeah, not quite Close enough Well, I'm the guy that gets in the wrong end of everything

I know, I know. What the heck? We'll pay it forward, you know, we'll figure something out So thank you, appreciate you coming on And let's keep going You got it, man, let's roll Before you leave, Joe, I want to hear like one or two more Denny stories Oh, great Ones that you don't tell

In your media press conferences Well, I can tell you lots of times, I do remember when he lived next door to me, Denny in his early days, I would go over and talk to him and say, he's sitting on the couch. And I figure, you know, hey, the coach is coming next door going to talk to you. I figured he's going to be perky and after it, and I'll swear to you. I start talking to him, he's sitting on the couch. And I was talking about some serious stuff. The man went right out on me. He slept with his sleep on.

And so I learned a long time ago, I say to people, if you want to deal with Denny, ask him questions. So he needs to start talking out. Otherwise, the man's going to zone out on you. Coach, I'm a zone out guy. I've asked Denny plenty of questions, and he also zones out. So I have so many things going on in here that I'm thinking about at one time that I just can't. It's hard for me to put it all together and focus on what someone's saying that's directly. asked me. I got to get better at that for sure. Well, I can tell you, I finally found a way to deal with

him when he was my neighbor. I put Pat, my wife on him. And believe me, she was after him all the time. Music's too loud. Quit parking the cars and my drive. I think it took her about 18 months to run the any other neighborhood. He was gone. We had weekly parties at the house. You know, listen, I bought the house because Joe was still at Washington. He was still coaching. And I'm like, well, he won't be back anytime soon and I'll be out of here by the time he comes back to the racing team. Oh, no, well, he came back one year later and next to you know, we're truly neighbors. So, you know, when I have people over, you know, they happen to fill up the street and they block his entrance to his house and, you know, I get, you know, I get his wife Pat writing notes

on these windshield saying, don't park here, don't park there, turn the music down. You know, we would have late night basketball games with a few of the Charlotte Bobcat players. Raymond Felton came and a bunch of different guys. They'd come over and play every now and then. But we would play late into the night. But yeah, it was an interesting dynamic we had as neighbors, but I sure am glad I moved off that street. Okay, my favorite story on that, I got one more story.

So they had a big party. I knew it was Saturday night. Stuff's going all night long and everything. Saturday night. Yeah. And so I come out. the next morning and my jet ski was messed up so i'm out there with a jet ski and it's messed up and so there all of a sudden i hear a bunch of them around the pool okay so i'm focused on the jet ski

and all of a sudden i heard this splashing of people coming towards me and i turned around like this and there were two girls i swear to you they were half dressed okay and here they come towards me and I'm kind of going I'm looking what is this and so they come over and they go hey hey coach I went yeah they said hey I left my purse

on the other side of the lake can you take me over there on the jet ski okay now Pat is on the back porch I'm looking up at Pat on the back porch so I got this girl is asking me and I turned her I said, not on your life.

I said, and then I looked and they're all standing back at the pool and everything. I said, there's your group. Go get those guys that take you across the way. Could you imagine seeing Joe with these two chicks on the back of his jet ski taking them? Because we lived right across in the sandbar where everybody would kind of boat together. And so, yeah, they asked Joe. I mean, why they didn't ask me? I'm not sure.

But they just, they saw someone tinkering with a jet ski out my neighbor. and they're just like, hey, come give us a ride. They didn't know he was my boss or anything like that. So very awkward morning that day. It was. Anyway, we got him out of the neighborhood. That was it. I like the context clues in this, though.

You said Saturday night, jet ski, so it must be fairly warm. So it's not November through January. It's an off weekend. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, man.

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you got to go ahead and do it. We can confirm now you will be a race car driver for at least a few more years. At Joe Gibbs Racing. Yep. Yep. Are you the longest tenured driver at JJ? Were you the longest before this? Yes.

Okay. Yeah. second might have been actually Kyle Bush and then Tony Stewart before that. So yeah, there's actually a wall right by the elevator where it has like their beginning and end dates. It's almost like a memorial of JGR drivers and mine says through present. It'll say present for. It's still going to say present. Yeah, I don't have an end date.

What does this mean for for you and 23. Yeah, I mean, obviously, that was a big part of, you know, this process for sure. What this means is that 2311 will continue its relationship with Toyota into the future. Nothing really changes. We're going to continue on the path that we've been on. It was my goal to, you know, make that a championship organization within five years. We're going to continue on that trajectory. I think that we're in a good spot, our relationship with Joe Gibbs Racing's

a good spot. So this kind of solidifies all those deals as done. How is this relationship between JGR and 2311 grown since you started the team on this five-year plan and how do you see it continuing to grow now into the future? Well, I've seen a lot of alliances come and go with Joe Gibbs Racing. A lot of it is dependent on sponsorship as we know. The viability of any race team still heavily relies on sponsorship. That is still true, but our sales team and Steve Luleta has done just a great job of making sure we are a stable team. We've got a lot of great things going.

But one thing I've noticed is that with 2311 and JGR, it is a true alliance. There's not, you know, before it's just more JGR is, you know, gets paid a service fee and essentially is really helping out the smaller teams, you know, get the information they need to compete. This, it works, it's working well both ways. There are things, no question, that JGR is learning from 2311. This little old team, they do learn things from them,

and we also learn a ton from them. So that's the way alliance really should work, right? Is that both teams can feed off of each other and get better together. think that they are. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like this is like a checkpoint, right? Is that you start 2311, Toyota relationship, form an alliance with JGR. This is now the first checkpoint. It's like, okay, everything's working well. We're going to continue this relationship on. Yeah, this was the first time that it had come around to be, really, you hit it right, a checkpoint.

Like, you know, hey, we've started this. We all agreed in the very beginning when I started this team, Toyota, JGR, here's how we're going to get this thing off the ground. But then after three years, it's time to re-up a deal. And we have to figure out, are we happy with the relationship as it is? Do we want to change it? All those things are super important to the long-term growth of the team. And to have everyone agree and shake hands that this is something we want to continue on this path together with is a very good thing. And so I'm really happy to see that it all got done,

and now we can put it all behind us. I don't know. What's next now? Try to win a championship. I mean, that's at the forefront now is what do we need to do to finish this thing off over the next nine weeks to win a championship? You know, a lot of, you know, I mentioned on Sirius not long ago, got all the design finished on the building last week.

these contracts just just got signed. We're in a good spot now to where really the focus is just on driving and doing whatever I can to win for the 11 team. Does this take a wait off your show? How much time in the last handful of weeks would you say during your week has been dedicated to these discussions? So much. I mean, phone calls, emails, in-person meetings, you know, Zoom, it just never. stops. It never stops because again, well, every decision you make has a cause and effect somewhere, right? So you make a decision, hey, we're going to do this. Well, then how does it affect B and C?

So I think that now that that is done, I see myself having a ton more time to just focus on the task at hand. So I think that it's going to be, my schedule is going to be dramatically better over these next eight, nine weeks. Sweet. Love to hear it. More time to shoot some social media content. Great. Sounds good. Well, let's get into this Xfinity race, which we were starting to talk about before coach stepped in the door. I mean, yeah, you came home with the trophy. We don't have it sitting here as the centerpiece. But, yeah, I, you know, I was probably a little cocky and casual last week on the podcast. saying, oh, you know, without Kyle and Kyle, this is just going to be a cakewalk.

And I was thinking at some point of the race, I'm like, oh, boy, here I am, you know, John Hunter's dominating the race and Coal Custer's ahead of me for a greater part of it. Austin Hill is as well. And I'm like, man, you know, I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way by any means, right? I was just kind of being entertaining at that point. but I was like, I knew that I had a little extra gear to go. Like I just knew throughout the race that, you know, even though I may have been running in third or fourth or whatever, like, I know how much time's left. I know that it's, I don't have to go take control of the race right now.

So we just kind of methodically put ourselves around a place that we could contend. had a good restart and then that put me second and I was able to pressure then Austin Hill from that point on and I tried to make a few passes on them and I realized man he's not going to give this up very easily so what I need to make how can I make this pass easier so at that point I just parked my car on his rear bumper and with the neck with the uh Xfinity cars you can really manipulate the leader's car by just running right on their bumper you can just keep getting them so loose that they heat up their tires and then you make another run at them to pass them and the pass becomes easier so um i made one run at them early on i got side by side he battled back he you know retook the lead and i'm like

okay i'm just sit here on your back bumper for a little while really kind of pressure you to either make a mistake or you know burn up your stuff to where the pass will be 20 times easier than it was when everyone's car was at top shape. And it just worked out to where eventually I worked him over enough. I saw he was out of control enough to where, all right, let me just go ahead and make the pass now. So that worked out great. And then we came in first, came out third with 12 laps to go.

And I'm like, oh, I don't like our, we're going to have to have things kind of work out perfectly here at the end because I hadn't showed a lot of short run speed that race. Again, I hadn't pushed it to the next gear quite yet. You know, there's Xfinity cars drive so different than Cup that, I mean, I just feel like I'm somewhat out of control at all times. But yeah, I just, I worked over and got the 20 pretty quickly. And then a caution came out right away.

And when the caution came out, I'm like, okay, Austin Hill's been struggling on restarts. You know, I'm whatever line he picks, I'm going to go the opposite side. It's funny because in the bus your mom had the exact same reaction. She's like, ooh, Denny's been really good on restores. And the 21 has not been as good on restart. I'm like, oh, Mary Lou, do you notice that? Yeah, she checks it all out for sure. So I was very surprised to see him take the inside line.

Now, in his defense, he had really, really struggled on the outside line when he was restarting. He controlled the outside line. Um, earlier that day, I was fourth behind him and he got passed by two cars. So it wasn't like he just blatantly made a terrible call to take the inside line. It's what he thought was best for him and his car at the time. Um, it's just, we got a really good restart. He struggled a little bit to get going as well. And again, Ron scuffed tires in Xfinity.

You spend the tires way more than you do in the cup series on restarts. And when the tires are not sticker tires, so not. tires that you just came out on on pit road, it makes restarting even tougher an Xfinity series. So I knew I needed to just be very patient with my acceleration. I see him over there spinning them. And once you, in Xfinity, you get to the outside of somebody. You have got them in a stranglehold because they're at the mercy of you, because you can get them loose.

The leverage spot in cup is on the bottom. The leverage spot in Xfinity is being on the top. And once I was able to stay next to them in her interstate. and won. It was game after that. Is it difficult moving from the next day car down to the X-20 car for one race here? It was difficult. No doubt. No doubt. I mean, even in practice, now we went out late. We didn't want to get a false read on what the track was when it was green versus having rubber on it.

So, you know, we were like 17th or something in practice and really my lap times were off two, three-tenths. But, you know, I just, I know. I know when I'm able to go get more versus, you know, previous times at Xfinity car, I'd had to go to a backup car because I drove into turn three and, oh, whoa, these cars don't slow down as good. They don't have as good of brakes. And I just pound the fence and really mess it up. So I just wanted to ease my way into it this weekend. And we just slowly got faster and faster as the race went on and I got more comfortable. And the more comfortable I got, the harder I was able to push it and we were able to show our speed. Do you feel pressure racing this race? Because

it's the one exfendi race a year it's at darlington and sport clips is on the car like a no-win situation here like there's only one thing that can come out of me running darlington or really any other cup driver running exfinity race and that is it can only end up in a worse look because people expect you to win right i mean you're you're going down the exfinity you got all this experience well you're supposed to win so when you win it's just like meh you know not a big But if you lose, you're like, oh, oh, you're not as good as you thought. Like, it's just, it is kind of a no-win situation. So it really puts the pressure on you, absolutely, to go down there and win if you're, if you're going to go do it.

But I don't know. I would go as far to say, like, it feels even more of a no-win situation for you at this track because of your history here. I mean, your average finish is for Xfinney before that DQ a few years ago. It was like 1.5. It was low. Certainly low for sure. But yeah, it's cool. We could put another piece on the display area by the front door of the house.

Again, it was a fun Saturday. I don't know whether I'll do it again, though. I just might. You said the same thing last year. Last year I didn't run exciting. The two years ago. I know. I just, yeah, I just, I feel like this is a good time to have that, that be my curtain call for Xfinity. And last year, not like Kyle Bush, who's like, oh, once I win 100, I'll stop.

Like, no, no, I'm just happy. Like, there is no benefit to running Xfinity to help Cup. They do not relate one bit. it's a completely different car drives completely different the tires are dramatically different the shifting is different it's just there's nothing that i can really draw from it that helps other than you know it's sport clips and it's there in title race and we've had a long relationship and that's great i'd love to end on a note of checker flags so well a little momentum maybe it sure looked like it for at least the first half of the race on sunday Yeah, I mean, I felt really good about the car. Again, I knew early on when my car wasn't exactly perfect to start the race that, you know,

I've never, I haven't let the leader more than 10 car lengths in front of me all day long when the daylight was out. So I knew that I had, again, a little bit more in the tank to go get when I needed it. And, you know, when we took the lead there on, you know, before the end of the first stage, I knew at that point it was, it's our race. you know, it just, I knew how hard, I'll thank you very much. Oh, Taylor, she used to be playing with the cords, so she got me some of fidgets. Thank you. Thanks, Taylor.

Yeah, so I just, I know when I've got more to get. And when I was in the lead, you know how hard you're pushing to stay in the lead. And Larson, I thought, was our biggest competition. Now, Reddick was, I think it was whoever's going to be in front, either. I think they were kind of tied on speed. the 5 and the 45. They were very, very close on speed all day long. But I just knew when we were out front,

like I wasn't having to push hard to stay in front and not only stay in front, but extend the lead. You know, of course the leader always has a dramatic advantage on the speed capability of the race car because they have the cleanest air. But I wasn't pushing at all and still inching away each lap just a little bit. So I just kind of knew that, you know, we, it was ours.

And, you know, we just, as long as we keep everything status quo on pit road, then it was going to be going to be good for us. How much do tires play into it when you are the leader? You mentioned you can just kind of, I mean, you have the clean air, right? So you don't have to push it. And then I guess you're not wearing your tires as much as a guy in second who's 100% trying to catch you? Yeah, which is why you see a lot of times when the leader catches lap cars.

early on it was Ross Chastain and it was Daniel Suarez. They're fighting to stay on the lead lap. You know, you just, you sit behind them so long that eventually your stuff burns up because you're, you know, hey,

do I go ahead and slide my car around here and try to get around them, then go back into saving or, you know, here comes, you know, Larsen's gaining ground because I'm stuck behind these guys. Um, it's just a balance,

but certainly your car, if you, if you run right behind someone for a while, it certainly loses capability of top end speed. We had the lights go out midway through stage two. Yeah. You said, let's continue to race. Every other guy on the track seemed like, hey, we need to pause here.

I said to Chris because he says, hey, they want to know what you think about the lights. And I'm like, let me be honest. From my perspective out front, when there's nothing in front of me. So I think it's fine, but I understand. I sit on the radio, if you're in the middle of the pack, it's probably going to be challenging. So I was fine with them stopping it.

I'm really happy to see it got, when they said they were going to call a power company, I'm like, oh, boy, this could take a minute. But they got it fixed pretty quickly, you know, very limited, probably five, ten minute break there. And then the lights were back up. So, you know, that was kind of the only on, you know, are not racing drama that we had.

There was some other stuff. It seemed like, you know, Harvick. Before you, on the lights real quick, just a funny story. In your bus,

Primetime Ron or Red Rocks, ron, whatever we want to call him. Oh, we're halfway. Lights are out. Got to call it. That's it.

Was it? Even my cruci said the same thing. He's like, I think they should call it. We're past halfway. So might as well. If they're not going to get it fixed. And I'm like,

Chris, they'd run this thing tomorrow during the day if they had to. So, uh, yeah. Nothing's going to come easy. So it didn't matter.

Our car was just really good. The team did a fabulous job of preparing me a extremely fast race car and did the best we could for sure. Just one small hiccup like we were talking about with Joe. It's just the littlest thing. And really, the pit crew nailed it all race long. We held serve on pit road every single time. Green flag stops. They did a great job.

they're really coming on to their own. It's just these are some of the small little things, little freak accidents that happen that can take you out and it takes you from winning to 25th. So years from now, we're going to look back like 25th. Man, what happened? And we know that we did well, but it doesn't matter. It's not what's going to show up on the scoreboat.

You started to bring up the Suarez Bowman incident who's side of you on. It's really close. mean, you know, Svarez took himself out, you know, trying to prove a point there. So I don't know that he really won with that scenario. Yes, he wrecked Alex, you know, saying, hey, you don't block me out. But, I mean, I agree with Bowman in the sense of, well, Daniel blocks too. So, you know, it's hard to throw stone.

It's hard for any of us to throw stones because we all do it. you know if you're gonna get you know if you're pissed off at bowman for blocking then i think there's probably ways to you know get them in the fence that don't take yourself out but you know it's just i don't know it just seems like kind of like a rage thing it's just like all right well i'm screw it i'm i'm just hooking you right here in the right rear a little bit and whatever the result is the result is but I don't know what position they were battling for. Bowman I saw it was hanging around the back half of the top 10 most of the day, so probably around that 7th, 9th, 10th spot, you know,

certainly ruined both of their days, which was unfortunate for both of them. They had, you know, pretty decent days going to. Suarez, he, you know, was battling. He stayed in the lead lap, but he was on the verge of going a lap down on the first stage. And so he found himself actually, you know, gaining some of that track position back. you know, it doesn't matter because they both ended up in a terrible spot. After you had lost the lead, we saw Harvick battling Reddick and just a weird situation all around, right? Harvick's coming to Pit Road. Car spins in front of him. He's just committed

to pit road at that point and it is what it is. So as I understood it, basically Harvick was going to undercut Reddick. So undercut means that he's going to pit sooner than the person that he is following in the efforts that one extra lap on tires that will be about a second and a half faster will then put him in front of Reddick

and then Reddick would pit and Reddick would come out presumably you know half a second behind him but with only one lap fresher tires and that is not enough of a gain likely for Reddick to be able to overtake him back under green conditions. So that undercut happens pretty often at that racetrack because track position is so critical.

And it appears as though the four car was coming to pit road and the 45 team then tried to make an audible and pit right then. like, you know, to avoid getting undercut. This is a continued problem with the 45 of pitting under green, but they've got to stop taking the chances that they're taking. Like, live to run another lap, like putting yourself in immediate danger. Luckily, Newman didn't just run right into his door and end his race. Thank goodness Newman checked up and. essentially spun himself.

But, you know, I get it. You know, Harvick was close to you. You don't want to get undercut, but you can't take that kind of risk trying to come to pit road. And it ended up, it screwed Harvick for sure bad because, you know, he, the caution came out and Harvick is in a position where he can't,

it's too late to turn and avoid you know, the pit road commitment box. But I guess the question is from the media is wondering, why did he stop in pit, right? Because by the rules, you're not allowed to pit the car. You can drive through, but you can't service the car, and they chose to service the car. So that was a blunder for sure.

There's no other way you could, you know, word that. But, you know, they're just in awe of the situation that they just got put, you know, they didn't put themselves in that situation. It got handed to them. And then, you know, they compounded it by pitting the car. Is that, or does this happen because Reddick looks in his rearview or there's a quick communication that, you know, the force coming to pit road. And it's kind of a knee jerk reaction on his part. Yeah, the knee jerk for sure. Now, there's a couple other ways to do this too.

I mean, you could have where it's not over, right? So even if he undercuts you by a lap, you don't know that his pit stop is clean. Maybe the pick, so what Billy could do at that point is then look to see, okay, how fast is the fours pit stop? Is it, if it's a 10-5, say it's a 10-5, then the coming one lap later will not really hurt you that much because you think that you're going to run a better pit stop than that. And so that negates the time that they've gained on you by that on track speed of a second and a half faster. Or Tyler could get on pit road quicker than he could. That could negate the distance of that second and a half. So there's a lot of ways to negate it.

Or if Harvard, let's just pretend Harvick had a fast pit stop. They could have run an extra two to three laps. Now they have to monitor how far back is the next competitor from Harvick. if he's within a couple seconds, you can't really wait too much longer. But if there isn't someone right there, you can pit a couple laps later, have a little bit more of a tire advantage,

and you're probably going to run down Harvick and repass him. So the advantage Harvick has is a second and a half. You're saying if you pit before the guy, it's a second and a half, roughly? Yeah, that's the difference between new tires and the laps that you're running on with your race car before you pit. Doesn't the second the guy who comes out second

though gonna get that back because they're gonna have a lap later on their tires? Yeah, but they're gonna be coming back out running the same speed. So they both have, he has one lap on his tires, he has zero. Got it.

So they're gonna both be going super fast speed. But by Harvick pitting that one lap sooner, he has, he has taken a second and a half off his stint time. His stint is, basically the amount of time that he spins from pit stop to pit stop because he comes one lap sooner

he takes that second half off of his total stint time got it are these cars more forgivable the next day car is it more forgivable than the previous car at darlington we see like kyle larsen tag the wall and his spotter and him himself say i thought that was it i thought my mistake cost me that race yeah i mean that's kind of how i knew what i had in reserve is right is that when the five was able to somewhat stay with me you know they mentioned to me on the radio that you know he's he's doing everything he can he's up against the wall he's bounced off of it a few times so it tells me he's pushing and i know at that point i hadn't even run you know a line that i you know thought maybe was going to be faster i i just didn't want to put my car at risk at any

point in the race unless i absolutely had to uh that's why darlington you don't see me run the fence early in races. Just mitigate your race. Now, sometimes when your car is not great, you have to do it from very beginning to very end because that's the only way you're going to keep up or gain positions. But when I knew my car was as good as it was, I was able to run more conservative lines and run competitive lap times, so it mitigated my risk of getting into the wall throughout the day.

Looking at the playoff standings, Kyle Larson now advances to the next round. William Byron is plus 45 up. Tyler Redick plus 30. Chris Busher plus 27. You yourself. Plus 27. Martin Shrix Jr. plus 25 came into this well ahead of the cutline. Not a great day for Truex. Kyle Bush plus 20. Brad Casalski plus 18. Ryan Blaney plus 16. Ross Chastain plus 13. Joey Legano plus three. Christopher Bell plus one. And then below the cut line, Bubba Wallace minus one. Kevin Harvick minus two. Ricky Sinhouse Jr. Minus four. and Michael McDowell minus 19. When you look at that, who stands out to you? I think that this is a race that the 34 could not, they couldn't afford to have a bad day. You know, they had a kind of a rough day going anyway.

But then they were the ones that, you know, crammed into the back of me on that, when the gillen was spinning and I checked up for it. Like Michael come in there, Days of Thunder style. He was trying to haul out. and just ran right in the back of me and destroyed his car. So it was, I don't know that they really could have avoided, or they needed to avoid races like this if they wanted to move on,

just simply because the tracks, you know, there's no road courses in this round. They're going to need some help. They're definitely going to need some help over these next two weeks. They certainly could run really well at Bristol. I don't know their history at those at Kansas or Bristol but with the points that he's down

it's going to be tough to gain on those guys at the cut line on raw speed for sure he's going to need some misfortune by others but everyone else I mean Bubba had a really good day but he didn't score any stage points right so he's still minus one he actually gained on the cut line but I don't think there's any surprises out of that I mean Harvick was shaping up to be in a great position

you know he was in a spot where he was contending for the race win and ended up I don't know where he ended up about 20th or so so it's just a thing that's next gen racing you have one little hiccup and boom it you cannot make it up you can't pass in these cars like you used to be able to so coming from the back to the front four get it to me this highlights how important stage points are I mean just looking at yourself plus 27 had you not scored any stage points in this race and not won either stage. Yeah, it would be plus seven. You're plus seven and anyone's game at that point next two weeks.

Yeah, certainly, you know, I, again, I said after the race, I didn't, I don't really care what the points are because I know that we're fast enough to go sell in the poll the next two weeks and lead every lap and lead every stage. You know, that's the way we approach the weekend anyway. It doesn't always work out that way. But I was more disappointed with not winning when we had a dominant car. than anything. I still, you know,

I feel good about where we're at. Kansas is the race we won earlier this year. Bristol, we always run well at, so I feel pretty confident. So there's nothing, I don't think there's anything earth-shattering that came out of this weekend

other than, you know, Turex didn't run very good. Did he have any damage to his card? He'd just not run good. Well, it started from not qualifying well. Yeah. He had the loose wheel when he came back.

Yeah, yeah, loose wheel. but even still like there was a month i was leading the race and the 19 had an unscheduled stop he was on fresher tires he passed me to get his lap back but like then i was just sat on his rear bumper and i'm like wow he's got a pretty big tire advantage and he's not really going anywhere um and then when we were battling battling for a lucky dog after my car is destroyed like i Chris told me this morning he's like the right recorders and spoilers knock down 5 eighths of an inch. It's shoved in 5 eighths of an inch. The splitters tore all to hell.

So, you know, our car was in really, really bad shape after we got in that wreck. But I just, I was watching Truex and he just really wasn't going much of anywhere. So I just don't know if they missed it or they had damage that we didn't see. But certainly we kind of expected him to kind of drive through the pack. similar to Larson and be a contender up front, but you just didn't see that. So he, you know, he's still in a good spot for sure. Bell, I'm not sure. He just, we came in for a green fly pit stop and I never saw him again.

I guess they said he got in the wall a couple times, maybe damage his car. And again, he didn't show up the second half. So it was like, you know, clearly there was some damage there that hurt his car, but he's finding himself now just one spot right there on above the cut line when coach was the first thing you brought up was was pit stops and you just talked about how you talked to Chris after the race it was the final verdict on the loose wheel so yeah immediately they played audio of Chris saying hey man we don't we don't see anything loose and I said to him well Chris it was loose and so it takes time for them to download like a high-res video of what happened, you know, from the cameras that

they have. And what it looked like was, you know, when the changer was tightening the nut, again, their brain tells them, all I got to do is hit this thing for one second. I'm pulling off and I'm going. You assume that the threads are going to go on just perfectly. And you just never know, right? It looked like the left rear changer's gun was still in a tightening motion. So it had not gone in, you know, when it's tight, it spins and then stops, right? The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that's why they draw lines on the gun is for, to tell them when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, when that, you can go ahead and. Okay. So, so it wasn't. So it wasn't. So this is all kind of muscle memory, right? Boom. it is you know they don't they don't wait to see the line stop right right they're not waiting there to it's more for the video to diagnose did it stop did it stop if it stops it's

tight right if it was still moving when you pulled off then it's it still had room to tighten right and so i i'd never had a loose wheel um that i can remember uh in next gen that under green, certainly under green. And so I never felt that sensation before, and I knew that right away that it's loose. Like what Tyler Redick's car looked like at Michigan when he was sliding through the corners, I'm like, that's what I had.

As soon as I let off the gas, this thing just pitched sideways, and I was on brand new tires. Shouldn't have done that. So I just, I knew right away it wasn't right. And I knew right away also that our race is over. Is there any doubt from the team of the crew Chief, like when they don't have confirmation that it was a loose wheel in the moment? Like, what is Chris thinking when he doesn't have confirmation in the moment, but you're telling

him, we need to pit here. So, you know, a lot of times, and actually this has happened with Bubba Wallace a few times, he has pit when the wheels have been tight, like confirmed they see the video, it's tight. Yep. And, you know, it's just these, sometimes you get a set of tires that's a little squirming, right? You just had a long run. Everything seems fine. Well, the air pressures are lower.

So you got to take into account that this might be just low air. Yep. Right? But I had run Green flag pit stops before at Darlington. And I had earlier that night and knew right away that the feel was not the same. It wasn't low air. This was a mechanical problem. But, yeah, there has been drivers, even besides both of that, have pit when the wheels have been tight.

It's just been a squirmy feel. And so they're just looking to the pit crew in the video to confirm to be as soon as possible. They are absolutely sure it's tight or there's question. And the immediate reaction was the picker of guys like, yeah, everything was, everything seemed fine. Right. Then they download the high-res video or whatever. And it comes, you know, minutes, you know, 10 minutes after. And it's like, it could have been moving a little.

little bit. So that's enough to where it kind of confirms that certainly what I felt was was real. Wasn't a ghost. Yeah. That's interesting because I had not spoken to you about this, not had overheard. You talked to anyone about it last night. So coming in here today, my question was going to be, oh, you know, did you overthink this situation? Like, was the wheel actually tight and you just thought it wasn't? No, it wasn't. I'm very confident of it because I was racing the 45 off pit road. You were dropping spots too. Well, it was only out there a lap. Right.

The 45, I tried to drive in deep because I knew he was going to drive into deep into three. And also my car went sideways and like, what the heck? And it came off the corner and it was, the back of the car was wagging like a tail. Right. And I'm like, damn, what is that? I went into one and it got sideways again. I'm like, uh, what is that? And the 24, so I went around turn three and four again and it kept getting worse.

the 24 then passed to me I'm like I can't do this any longer like I'm going to end up you know back in this thing into the wall so take my medicine um come in get another set of tires try again and when we went back out there we were like three tenths faster than the field or even faster than I was previously so um and I was confident right away when I left pit road I gave it a little steering wheel jerk to see like so there was a variable and I'm like no no this is this is this is right. This is the way it's supposed to feel. How quickly do you come to terms with that? You lead this race for 100 and however many laps and then all of a sudden it's just gone like that. I mean, it sucks. It really does.

Not winning sucks more than anything else. I mean, you know, it's five more bonus points. It's another trophy on the trophy case. But not just a trophy. No, it's a major. It's another major. It would have been eight. Dang it

That I mean it stinks But there's nothing I can do about it I'm gonna drive the car 100% every lap And we're gonna win and lose as a team You know those guys They got me off pit road Numerous times in first place So this is just one of those small hiccups

And every now and then you have you know false start And this is the equivalent only it was at the end of the game When he could have kneeled it down But you know it just it's just part of sport fan. I can't be too upset because I'm really happy with where our pick crew is right now. So no not hard

feelings but no you know had this put us below the cut line yeah maybe so but you know we won the first two stages we got two points it's going to lead us into the next round add it on to our total I mean it's not all terrible you know I get it

it's I'm a tough competitor but I've seen this before Jerry it's not like my first one of like oh my god the heartbreak the i could have got my very first southern 500 it's not i've been you know 18 19 years i've seen it all trust me i've had the worst beats you've ever seen happen uh in the playoffs so yeah yeah just add it to the list that's funny last week we didn't talk about beginning the shows that you had playoff media day this week and uh one of the questions i remember i can't remember which uh station it was at

but the question was posed like, you know, if you could think back, what is the one playoff moment that has really just left you really sour? And they're fishing for the Martinsville, the wall ride, you know? And you're just like, I don't know. It's just, you came up with something else, and that wasn't the answer they wanted. No, I know. Certainly. They all know.

The media, they all know the tough beats that I've had in these playoffs and, you know, things that some's been in my control, some's been out, but that's sports, man. I'm just going to keep on trucking, keep on leading and trying to win stages, trying to win races, and eventually it's all going to, you know, the odds will play back in my favor, but, you know, just got to be patient with it sometimes. Is Coke Zero Sugar the best Coke ever? I know that's a bold question, but it's got that irresistible taste to back it up. Well, one thing's for sure.

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Well, with that, we have Kyle Larson winning his very first Southern 500. I feel like he's been in contention for. a while. You know, he's he's had things bite him in past quest for the Southern 500. He's been very fast at that racetrack along with us. And so, you know, when we stumbled, he kind of picked up the pieces. So at that point, it became kind of a battle between like him and Reddick as to who was going to win the race. And a lot of that was going to bowl down to who is going to be, who's going to come off pit road first. So I think. I think Kyle did a great job.

He drove from, you know, the teams in qualifying to up at the front of the race, up in front of the pack. And, you know, I know that's a win that he really, it's going to cherish. It's a major. It's a big one for him. And so this is going to be one that's going to be in his resume for quite a while. So congratulations to Kyle and his team. And now they're moving on to the round of 12. So they've got a few extra weeks to prepare for that next round.

and this is going to be a good advantage for them. So with this victory and two more in the first round, what does this do for Larson going forward? Yeah, I mean, I think really now he's got two weeks that he's not going to be pressured. So he's going to be more free. And there are strategies that they call at Kansas and Bristol. They're probably going to be a little more aggressive

because all they're going to do now is just try to get more bonus points for the next round and for the rounds after that. So they can split. been more time preparing for races coming up in the round of 12. So this is a big advantage if you can win early and move on. Well, fortunately for you and I guess the entire Toyota Camp, Martin Tricks Jr., Christopher Bell, headed to Kansas next week, which traditionally is a track that the Camry has run

very well out. Yeah, it is. It's been a really good track for me and Chris Gabe Hart and our 11 team winning the race there earlier this year. And it has been 23-11 won both races, I think, last year. So we're all pretty confident, which is why I'm not too caught up in, oh my gosh, what happened last night. And, you know, I've got to shift my focus to Kansas. I don't have time to harp on, you know, I've learned, you know what, you have to live with the result because you can't change it, right?

You just, you just have to. You got to find a way to cope. And my way to cope is just start working on the next one. Anything else you want to add? No. You know, really kind of going to enjoy the rest of the day. We're kind of midday here on Labor Day. I would like to enjoy the rest of the day labor free.

You have any plans the rest of this day? No, just going to chill out. I don't want to commit to anything. I think Taylor has a plan. She wants me to practice volleyball with her. So I'll probably go downstairs in the gym and do that with her. Just a multipurpose center, a basketball gym, a pickle. It's been the most useful space.

It is. It's the most useful space in my house. There's no question other than the kitchen. It's the most used spot. Yeah, they go down there. They turn the lights off. They do neon rollerblading. We use it for the basketball league.

We use it for the pickleball games. We can play volleyball. They have aerial silks down there hung from the ceiling. So gel blaster games? We got to do that. you know certainly that the shop is coming along now in a spot where uh the superintendent said it's perfect for a gel blaster war so all the lights off we got so many hidden rooms and all that stuff in there that like we could really have a battle so we got to have a night battle with the

with the uh with the glow in the dark jail blaster pellets 100% how long will it be in that that state for he said for the next you know probably the next month or so is probably a good time. Okay. Plenty of time. Before we get windows and paint and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

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