Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Let 'Em Fight & Denny Hamlin's Mom

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

Denny Hamlin and Jared discuss Kyle Larson's win in the Xfinity Series on Saturday. Denny's success from Kansas didn't carry over to Darlington (6:00). Martin Truex Jr's day ruined after hitting Ross Chastain (13:45). Chastain once again involved in on-track drama with Larson (17:37). Survive and advance. Denny somehow advanced in the DH Bracket Challenge (29:02). Carl Edwards returns (39:26). Has Darlington Throwback weekend ran it's course (46:36)? Plus, Denny's mom joins to chat what it's like seeing people boo her son, his passion for racing growing up and more (51:40). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I think he should just continue to race like a d'i and embrace the personality because the sport doesn't really have that. The following is a production of Dirtymoe Media. What's up, guys? Welcome to Action's Detrimandal. I'm Denny Hamlin, the host, I guess. And my co-host, Jared D. Allen,

I drive the number 11 car for Joe Gibbs Racing and I co-own. I hate this whole thing. 2311 racing. And I'm Jared and I wear a purple vest on the way. weekend and take pictures of race car drivers. Yeah. Well, I tell you, alert folks, breaking news.

Later in this show, we're going to have our first guest. First guest is coming, so don't tune out because of the bad intro right off the bat. It's only going to get better. We had a great weekend, Darlington, Mother's Day weekend. Hate racing on holidays, Easter, Mother's Day. but that was Jeff Gordon's excuse for not being at the NASCAR 75 well brunch this morning he says his mother so like we all have mothers but so yeah it was a good race in Darlington I I tell you to start the weekend off I mean you

had great truck race Xfinity race Xfinity race Xfinity just cars just race phenomenal or at that racetrack it seems like we always have a last lap passes at that track or a battle. And I tweeted that this is the recipe for good racing is that this is what happens when not all the cars run the same speed. You know, when there's a difference in the driver talent, there's a difference in the, you know, this car versus that car and speed. You have variability in the lap times because of the tires fall off.

Just a great combination of them all. and I tell you, it's just, it's really fun to watch those Expendity cars. And it just, there's something about it where it always comes down to the fastest guy by far, or the fastest car by far, is always put to the back for some reason of a Darlington race. And do they make it back to the front? And when Kyle Larson went to the back with 40 something to go, I was thinking, no way he makes it to the back, unless there was cautions. But there was cautions that helped them out.

but man it was a great drive at the end you saw a little um he gave nemochek a little bit of a squeeze play down the back straightaway i know um some people in social media talking about and was that fair or not you know i think it was i think it was but i guess it depends on your perspective um certainly uh i felt that my move was fair last week um you know i kyle was kind of out of shape and I certainly wasn't going to lift on the last lap. And so Kyle was, I think, just trying to use all the entry he could. And if you could kind of force Nemechek to just check up just a little bit to squeeze him on the entry, then he was going to be able to clear him, which he did.

But Neimanchechuk instantly went down and kind of, here, let me grab your right rear and help you get up the racetrack. And so we saw a great finish. Obviously, Neumichick didn't get the finish. She was hoping for it. But still top five, and we saw a great battle. So that was fun to watch. just appreciate John Hunter after the race saying that it was good hard racing.

I like a driver that after they're in an incident like this, they can take a motion out of it and look at it objectively, which seemed like John Hunter did and said, hey, that's, that's good hard racing. Because you'd think a guy in his position, be like, oh, Larson comes down here, he's a Cups here, his driver, he's running me like this. You know, I lose out on a win that I was very much deserving of. Yeah, you know, it just, I was talking to Kyle before the cup intros, and he was like, I couldn't believe none of the Xfinity drivers were running a wide entry of one.

That was something I started doing 10, 12 years ago, now every driver does it, but it's, it's just, you get huge runs through the middle of turns one and two when he'd run a high entry. So, because there's just, you're searching for colder pavement. You're searching for where's the part on the. racetrack where I can run that doesn't have rubber laid down on it because that has more grip. So I saw Kyle just really getting high on the entry of one and Nemechick just staying low and I'm like, oh, he's just giving him way too much air up top there. And that allowed Kyle to just kind of reel him in and I knew like you saw this finish coming two or three laps beforehand.

But fantastic finish. Congratulations to Kyle on that and Nemechek for for entertaining. us for sure. Moving on to Sunday, we had the cup race and again, uh, exciting finish. It was exciting for sure. Um, you know, for the early parts of the race, it looked like Martin Truex was going to just kind of walk away from this thing. And it's just crazy how much clean air played a factor. Like, I thought at Kansas it wasn't as big of a factor, but it just seemed like for whatever reason here, Darlington, you had to run right up. on the wall. I don't know what that is.

It seems like this track goes through weird phases where you can move around sometimes. I mean, we've seen races at Darlington where Harvick and these guys would run below the dotted line and turn three and four make time, but everyone had to run up the racetrack. And so it's just weird the ebbs and flows of this car to tire to racetrack configuration. And it just, you saw once guys got... Mired in the back that they just couldn't really make a whole lot of ground now I was invisible all day I just kept losing one or two spots every run I had major car issues we think that we were going to check out and find out but certainly very uncharacteristic of our team our 11 team and our

performance on Sunday I hated it but you know everyone kept a level head and we worked on it and got a top 12 or something out of it because of all the crashes at the end. So great job for my team for keeping digging there. It was actually a decent points day because of all the carnage at the end. We had chastain and a bunch of guys that were leading the points that, you know, kind of fumbled the ball. So that was, it was exciting for sure. I went back and I watched the highlights. I watched the low lights. I probably, I did probably like a one-hour skim of the race on the TV to kind of see what. what all happened?

How was this thing playing out? It was evident that certainly there was four cars that were good. Chastain, the 19 of Truex when he was up there, the eight of Kyle Busch. I think Kyle actually had a very, very good car. He didn't get to show it as much as he didn't lead, but he was strong. He was in the mix.

Yeah, he was in the mix all day. The leaders were right there in front of him all day. and then Kyle Carl Larson So those were definitely The four Superior cars Then you got Byron It's probably in the next year

Right after But it was really fun I mean Papa Wallace He was fast when he was up front as well So it just kind of depends Like he got put back there In 14th, 15th where I was

And it just took him The whole race to kind of just Chip away at it And had a few restarts that helped And yeah It just I don't know Passing was a little more difficult this time around.

Was it more than anticipated? Or maybe it was me because my car was so off. Was it more than anticipated, do you think, for the field? As a whole, not just you. I'm not sure. You know, it seemed like listening to the driver's comments after the race, they talked about track position a lot. I mean, that's important.

It's always been important. But Darlington, in the middle of the day, 90 degrees, it shouldn't be as much for sure. Like you have a good car, you should be able to just kind of, you should be able to go through the field. If you've got a good car, you should be able to move around different lines

and find lines to avoid the wake of the other car. But I don't know, it's just the little bit lower horsepower. You know, I looked at the lap time fall off. It's definitely less than what we've had in years past, but it's tough to say. It's really tough to say what made the race interesting from that standpoint. But I thought that the racing up front was very good. Like those four guys mixed it up pretty well.

No one really got out to a huge lead. It seemed like to me that the one car was really good in the long run. 19 was good in the long run. And it just kind of whoever caught traffic, that was like when the field would start to bunch up. with those four drivers is whenever the leader would hit traffic. So it's just kind of interesting from that standpoint. And then, you know, you get down to the end. You got 18 laps to go.

Well, let me rewind before that. We had Turek spun at the end of stage one or two. One of one of them battling with Ross. Yeah, I think it might have been two. And then, and so he dove in, he was running Ross down because Ross was trying to not to pass his teammate and lap him. So Ross was just kind of maintaining behind Suarez there, trying to cut him a break.

And Truex kind of was trying to make a low line, low push down to the bottom of the racetrack and got into Chastain and spun himself out. But that was kind of the downfall of Truex's day. You just kind of saw once he got from that point on, like I don't know that he did a lot of damage to his car, but he would. That's the track position.

He got swallowed up on restarts. I don't, does he, his car was, it looked like it was tight. And when he got in traffic, he just was really tight. That looked like a dumb mistake to begin with. But if you're the leader in a race like this, are you, do you not necessarily know how the track position is working? Like for Truex, right? To go in there and try to pass Chastain for the stage win,

watching the race, I'm thinking, well, that's not worth it. now he's going to go back to 10th or whatever and he's going to struggle to get back to the front does he know as the guy running up front all day that hey if i lose my track position this is going to be a to get back well i think that he probably thinks his car's really good and he's probably thinking he's not going to go back to 10th he's not thinking well there's a chance i can wreck here it looked like he was committed to running the middle line and he thought chastain was going to go up to the top lane like he had all other laps but chastain just hedged down a lot of little bit to get clean air on his nose because he was catching the 99 and it just they kind of

collided at a weird point and so certainly I think that when Truex fired off on the next restart when he was 9th or 10th and got the dirty air he was like oh boy this is a lot different so it was just crazy how different it was like even when he came out after a green flag's pit stop versus a caution and I was mired in the middle of the pack, man, it was crazy how much less grip the car had in traffic versus out by yourself. So hopefully we get some fixes for that, you know, next year. And I think NASCAR is working on it. But we still saw some great racing at the end.

You know, when you kind of digest this whole Chastain-Larsen thing, You definitely have to go back earlier, a previous restart, so where Chastain was on the inside of Larson. And not, so this is before the one where Larson kind of rubbed Chastain up. I think he was paying him back from earlier in a earlier restart where Chastain was, he didn't give Kyle much room. I saw him, he slide up a great, he slid up pretty aggressively in the middle of one and two. It caused Kyle to kind of check up.

up a little bit because he probably thought he was about to get slammed. And then Ross just kind of kept pushing Kyle up in higher and higher on the Exeter 2 where it caused Kyle to get up in the stuff and the loose stuff. And then Kyle lost three or four positions. And then Kyle's one of those guys that like he'll race you, you know, pretty fair. But you do stuff like that. Certainly he's gonna he'll give it back to you like he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna rough you up a little bit or maybe doria yeah he's definitely a dorin you kind of guy and that's why you heard ross after the kyle so then you had the restart with about i don't know uh nine to go or so Kyle arson goes in turn one he's on the inside of Ross he clearly just goes up there this is the one that they

be a wreck in the second row. Yes. Yeah. Yes. This is the one not takes Truex out. This is where Truex, I don't know, just completely missed his line and came up in front of Joey and, you know, took that whole field out. Speaking of which, NASCAR got, the order was all wrong. Like, I couldn't understand.

And they even showed, and I know Kelly Crandall and a few other media folks were questioning, well, you know, or they asked NASCAR to call. clarify, why are the cars that were in the wreck placed back in front of cars that missed the wreck? They said, well, they maintain caution pace. Well, you watch the in-car camera and like, they were destroyed and saying that they were running pace car speed was maybe probably a stretch. Like, that's a stretch. And there was cars clearly that passed them on the bottom. We just, we got to do a better job of getting these order right. Because what happened is, is that I pass these cars that were wotted up at the top of the track. I don't care if they're going straight or not going 35 miles per hour and they're straight.

They're in the wreck. Like they've got carnage all around. They're in the wreck. So we go around them on the bottom side. Caution's out. Next thing you know, four guys go and pass me and go back up to their spot that they were in. Like they pass 10, 15 cars. And then they just go get there.

They go up there and they say, all right. pit roads open and everyone's able to pit from their damn spot that they were in. And so that's why Chase Elliott, Brad Kizowski, Kevin Harvick,

all got good finishes. They should have been wherever they merged after they got clear of it and then maintained, it's not costing cars, it shouldn't be caution car speed. It should be whatever the other cars are running

at the time, right? It's just they got to get the order better. If they got to stop the race or whatever, because right now it's getting worse and worse. The whole free-for-all of caution flies, and next to you know, people are speeding up to try to cheat a few positions. Like, they'll try to get in front of two or three cars

and then hope NASCAR doesn't see it. Or if they do see it, well, then they'll go back to scoring loops. You know what, pits open, let's go. We ain't got time to mess with this. So we've got to get the order right, because certainly I know the 23 got, You know, kind of probably screwed on a few of them. I know whoever I was around, we, there, there was so many cars that passed us that were in the wreck that we didn't quite understand why they got to go back where they were.

Bubba's tweet was eye-opening because he tweeted the broadcast footage of the in-car camera of Harvick. And it's like clear as day that he's in the wreck. He's in the wreck. But, and then you're thinking, like, oh yeah, he started second on that last restart. I know. I'm really just wondering how his car wasn't demolished from the impact of hitting. It was. It was.

That's why he even said he really had no chance to compete with Byron because the car was destroyed. And if you looked at Chase Elliott, he wasn't even near, like he had, he started on the second road twice. He was sandwiched. He was up in the wall. And he was, his car was so destroyed. He didn't even remotely contend because his car was destroyed. And the six, who knows how much damage he had.

So it just, it's kind of, they just need to. work on it. They need to work on getting the order right before they open pit road. They need to stop the shenanigans of letting people try to speed back into their spot. Listen, it's a hard job. It's a thankless job up in that

tower, but certainly something we've got to work on. Okay, so back to Larson and Chast. So then Larson, he definitely got wronged by Chastain when he got moved up the racetrack and turned two. Not only did he lose the lead, he lost second and third place. He went

back to fourth. Yeah. And that was a pretty crucial moment of the race. And then, so later on, and the TV was broadcasts all over, Clint did a great job of explaining it. He says, hey, you know, it's, don't think that Kyle Larson forgot about Chastain, you know, shoving him up the racetrack. Well, sure enough, they go into turn one and Kyle instantly just kind of let's go to the

wheel and, and just kind of moves up the racetrack. I mean, hate to say it, but it's very similar to what I did a chestane. He did not let go with the wheel, though. It's not actual. That's not an actual statement. That is a... Hyperbole. Yes.

Sure. Embellishing would actually happen. So he let go of the wheel, which means he released the wheel and just says, I'm going to use up this room right here with chastain. And so no harm, no foul. They were side by side. Caution came out. Video showed that chastain was now...

the leader. Well, Chastain then picks the inside. It's like, well, I'm not going to let that happen again. And you even heard him on the radio trying to analyze what lane do I pick? Well, the nine, he might not push me. And then the five will have the 24 pushing him. And that's not going to work. So then the five, are we even now? Yeah, are we even? Or are we going to do this again? So evidently, he was worried about it not being even. So he chose the inside. And then he just went into the corner. And now again, I'm not sticking up for him.

I'm not for the record. Kyle did hedge down the racetrack a little bit. Anticipating that Chastain was probably going to run him up the race track. So he needed room. Yes. He wanted to have extra room to the wall. Correct. So either way, I think that they were going to make significant,

contact as much throttle as they were carrying into the corner. But man, yeah, it was, Chastain was probably more ahead of him than he had planned on being. And so Kyle, you know, got squished in the wall. And then Chastain wrecked himself. And so, yeah, and then he saw Kyle just kind of keep the gas down. I wish he, he should have just kept going. I wish he would just kind of Just midway down the backstretch. No, right into the pit lane. Just dump them off at pit lane and then turn right and go back on the racetrack. But at that point, he's trying to have to damage his car any more than it probably already is.

But, yeah, certainly you know the five teams frustrated, you know, Cliff Daniels. He's a late race commentator. He said, Chevrolet, this is number five, or number three, third time Chastain's done this us he's ralling off these races that chastain's taking kyle out i'm not listen i'm not arguing with it i mean chastine's got his he's got a piece of everyone here uh lately it's amazing because you're like thinking can he go one week is there any is there any week where you can go without rubbing somebody the wrong way um and you got a feel for the five team because they got taken out last week or a chance to win by some guy.

They didn't get taken out. They finished second. I guess. This is what, as Ron Herbert would call, you're playing both sides. Yeah. You're playing both sides. Because Jared takes a few photos for Kyle Larson, too.

Don't let him fool you. Yeah, I see, you know, Kyle Larson, you got a picture of him on your little, your briefcase thing for your, there's no pictures of me on there. That's a great sticker that Sonoma gave out for you. All I need to do is put in your email address. send you a sticker. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Really good promotion. So, I mean, listen,

whose fault is it? It's definitely Chastain's fault for sure. He even said that, you know, hey, I wrecked myself here. But it's interesting because people talk about all the time, well, you know, he never gets the bad end of his stuff. He did this week, right? It finally, you know, that part of it caught up. But I think it goes unspoken or it gets to overlook that he should be winning a lot more than he is. He's only won two races. And one of them was on the road course and there was contact in that one.

But like, you would think he'd be winning as fast as he is and he's up front every week as stellar as his pick crew is. He should be winning more. Definitely should be winning more. But this comes down to execution, right? It does. It does.

But what I'm saying to you is that perhaps if he was on the better side of some of the drivers, he would get a break here and there. And his races would go a little less confrontational. Because no one's cutting him a break. So there's always contact with him because no one's willing to just say, okay, come on by. Yeah.

You've cut me a break, so come on by. So there's not as much give and take probably with him. The guys are going to race him more aggressively. which in turn he races aggressive so that equals the contact, which that is in turn maybe why he's not winning as much. There could be no facts behind that, but I'm just saying it might not be a coincidence. Could it more just be that he's just overstepping his boundaries

in these crucial moments during the race when he has an opportunity to win? Well, I certainly think you have to manage races for sure. I mean, there is a time, there's a time and a place for everything for like aggressive moves. Hey, this is like I know when there's key restarts that I got to nail this one or, you know, here in today's world you got to nail them all. But you just know, starting on the front row, this is one where I've got to get the lead. I've got to get the lead.

I can't get this guy any inches here. I can't cut him a break. If he gets loose, I ain't checking up. Like, you just, there's moments. moments for that. But there's also other moments where it's like, we still got another, we got at least two more pit stops, at least probably another restart or two coming. Do I really need to do this right this second? Exactly. That's, that's what I'm wondering about Chastain is that it seems like he's racing 110% from the drop of the green flag to the checker flag. And when you're

racing like that on lap 100 of 300, the more experienced guys are going to be like, okay, go ahead. there's more to play for here and then it's just catching up to him at the end of these races. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because, you know, you look at the stats sheet right and you would say, well, a Hendrick motorsports has dominated the season that,

you know, William Byron's got wins and Kyle Ars has got wins and they've just been the best. I argue that. I think that the one car in that team has been kind of right there with them. They just, they don't have as clean of races as the other ones. for whatever reason. You know, I don't know.

I don't watch all of his races and see why he doesn't win more. I mean, he's going to win a lot for sure in the future and probably starting this week. I tend to motivate guys in that kind of way. But it just seems like maybe he is getting it back and we're just not seeing it. Like people are thinking, well, when's someone going to do something with a ass thing or whatever, right?

Like maybe they are. and we just aren't seeing it maybe people aren't cutting them as much room as as they nor they they normally would which is resulting in this contact happening yeah like kyle the restart before the last yep you tv saw it coming and certainly any fan at home saw that coming that you know Kyle was gonna give him the door because he he I mean not only to lose the lead he he cost them three or four spots which that was big and then Then, Chastain just kind of just drove in there and says, oh, I'm going to, he said, I wanted to squeeze him. I wanted to squeeze him.

And he cost himself. Now, he costs a five team in the process as well. But finally, it seems like Ross kind of got the bad end of his decision there for sure. Yeah. I do want to say, I really hope that Ross does not change the way he races. Because I think what's happening right now is phenomenal. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's great for the story.

lines. There's no question. We're talking about it. Um, this is what NASCAR needs, right? Is, these type of storylines. You need someone to ruffle some feathers every now and then. You would think that it would be this guy this week, that guy the next week, and it was just kind of ebbs and flows, but man, he is, he's a magnet for it. Yeah. I think he should just continue to race like a, and embrace the, the personality. Because the sport doesn't really have that anymore, right? You were talking about it. You were talking about it, how you get booed, or one of the drivers who gets booed the most at driver intros, but that's not because of how you race on the track. And Kyle Bush, I don't think. And Kyle Bush now, I feel like it gets significantly less booze because he's not driving the 18

car. So we don't have a heel in the floor. If it was because of what happens on track, Charles Chastain would get the most boot. I mean, he's gotten into or erect most all the top drivers, right? Right. I mean. But you would agree that. of all the drivers in the sport, Ross right now is the biggest heel of the sport. Yeah. Maybe not in the eyes of all the fans.

Sure, sure, sure. And I think the sport needs that. And I don't think Kyle is that anymore is what I'm kind of getting that. He kind of filled that role before, in my opinion, at least from the fan perspective. Sure, yeah, yeah, I agree with that for sure. I mean, he had his on-track persona, on track.

Like I said, we talked about it a few episodes ago, but I think he was very different how Kyle Busch was on the racetrack versus off the racetrack. Very different. I think Kyle Bush is one of the most respectful drivers on the racetrack. He's like the Jimmy Johnson type guy that, like, he kicks ass and wins races, and he really doesn't make a whole lot of contact. Right.

It's just, he just had the black hat because of his persona, I think, off the racetrack. Yeah. Well, now we just got a guy who kicks out. Literally. Yeah. Hey, Dirty Mo listeners. This is Dillon Hart Jr. It's May, and you know what that means?

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an espn bad beat as they say on scott vilt's show so i mean backdoor cover at the buzzer bank shot 65 feet denny hamlin from nowhere boom Paul Larson's out, Dennyhamel wins that matchup. Love it. At the top. Yep. So Chastain beat Suarez. Fantastic matchup, by the way, because both these guys DNFed.

It just so happened that one guy DNFed earlier than the other. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Not often you can DNF your way to a dub. Yep. So Chastain beat Suarez, Kislauski beat Almerola. that wasn't a huge

So there's really no upsets that happened there So in the next round Charlotte We got Chastain versus Kesslowski What's your early pick on that? Chastain Okay I mean you're just going to say chalk every time Well I went through this bracket

I filled out two brackets And in both of my brackets Chastain wins Okay All right And then the next one Bubba Wallace Moving on beats Ryan Blaney

upset, right? It's interesting because I'm looking at this, right? Boba Wallace is a 21 seed. He's now 15th in points. He's moved up six spots. He's moved on to the round of eight, and he's also moved up six spots in the point standings since this thing got seated.

So Bubba Wallace beats Blaney. Blaney's out. I bet you that hurts a few brackets. And then Chase Elliott beats Joey Lugano, the 29 seed, the most deadly 29 seed of all Chase Elliott beats Lugano. I can't remember. I think I had Ligano there. I'm not really sure.

I had Chase going out to Truex at Kansas. I did too. I'm not really sure who I had there. But now you've got Wallace against Elliott at Charlotte. And now you're like, how can I bet against Bubba? Bubba's hot. Well, he's hot, but your picks already made... I mean, if you had to start over,

you're saying that you'd take Bubba? I mean, Chase is very good, obviously. But the stats are telling me the last five races I need to pick Bubba Wallace. He's had a top five and five the last six or something. Really? Yes. So stats...

He's doing good. I'm very proud of it. He's doing a great job behind the wheel. Harvick beat Stinthouse. That wasn't a surprise, but it was closer in the race than we thought for sure. Ricky's team, they were good all weekend, really, for the most part. They struggle a little bit in the long run in practice. I talked to Ricky, but it looked like in the race, I mean, I kind of got stuck behind him early.

He struggled in the long run, but I just, once I fell, I just never saw him again. He stayed up front towards the front and I didn't. So that matchup was closer than there was only a few spots between those guys all day long. So Harvick is now going to go against Byron who beat Reddick. That was close. Reddick was in the wreck, the second to last wreck, I believe, or the last wreck. Not sure which one. He was on the third car on the bottom, fifth.

He got barely clipped. And so Byron's moving on. obviously Harvick and Byron at Charlotte. Who do you think? I like Harvick. Harvick just has a knack for, now again, he got a little help from the tower today, but he has a knack for just being there in these long races where a driver is very important. That's at least how I see it in my head.

So 600 miles at Charlotte, I like Carvick. Even though the fords are a little off, I definitely kind of agree. agree with you. I just think in general he's got a he's got a knack for Charlotte. And then boom, Hamlin takes out Larson. Just I beat the breaks off of them all day long. Total domination. Hey, survive in advance. Yeah. Friend Charlie said, I'm going to go against. So this is amazing. This is amazing. We said we wouldn't say that. I know, but we already did once or twice. I didn't. I I promise, well, I promise, mom, you didn't. It'll bleep it.

Bowman or Barry beat, well, Barry beat Dylan. Bowman's like Barry. And you said, wait a minute, Barry race today? Because Jared was really like, man, I didn't see that 48 car all day long. I don't think I did either. No. Here, let's just look at the race. results here.

Newman finished 28th and it says he was running but he was in a wreck so I don't know if he was actually running. Chastain finished 29th. He was the first DNF. Then Josh Berry who did finish running the race and then the rest of the DNF. So Josh Barry finished

the race but finished behind guys that DNFed. Yeah. Well I mean I guess that shouldn't So we basically had two brackets here decided by four DNFs. Yes.

Right? So with me knocking out Larson, I'm now going to go against Bowman or Barry. Who do you like there? I mean, Bowman Barry is the Cinderella. You're right.

Ooh. I mean, yeah, the number technically doesn't show it, but they're a Cinderella. I, there. You know what? I'm going to say, I agree. The Bowman Barry is the Cinderella team of the elite eight here.

So, hey, guess what? I saw where one of the sports books actually put odds out for the bracket challenge. So all the matchups, and I'm sure they will do it, I encourage you just to find out who it is, but they have a big place in Las Vegas. Caesar might have lived there once before. But they had matchup, they had odds on each one of these matchups at Darling Today. Even no matter, it didn't matter if it was a huge favorite versus a huge underdog.

So I'm sure at Charlotte, they'll do the same thing. This is great. This is what we wanted, right? We wanted the gambling guys and the sports books to really, embrace it and talk about it. And so I think they got some good matchups. And it's really worked out just how you'd want it to. I think when I started filling out this bracket,

I thought, oh, this is easy. This guy's going to finish above this guy. This guy's going to finish above this guy. He always outruns him. But now they were in this Elite 8. There's some shockers in here. Yep. Now I've got to beat Cinderella.

Yeah. You just need to finish the race, though. That's not. If you just finish the race on the line, Not nice. Look, I don't make the rules. I'm just saying that if Josh Barry finished a handful of laps of down today, so if you just finish the race on the lead lap, it's more than likely you'll win that. I trust you.

I trust you. We'll do our best. We won that race last year. But then again, we won Darlington too, and we stunk it up today. Yeah. Well, I mean, that pretty much recaps Darlington. The race. Yeah.

You got anything else? Yeah. I want to know your experience. with the NASCAR 75 today. It was cool. I really appreciated NASCAR, you know, putting that together. We got a pocket watch from Jim France. My dad will certainly appreciate that.

No, it wasn't a pocket watch. It was like a tachometer. Oh, really? By the way. No, no, no. A tachometer, dude. It tracks speed. I have a picture of it.

A stopwatch. A stopwatch. Yes, that's correct. You said a tachometer? It's like the same thing. They tracked speed. more or less. Bento box.

Yeah, inside joke. Yeah, very inside joke. But yeah, it was... I guess it's a... What'd you just call it? It's an old school timing device. I'm losing my train of thought here,

but it's a stopwatch. It could be a temperature gauge in Celsius as well. That's possible. Gosh. All right. This is going nowhere quickly. It was good. I appreciate it.

It was a little brunch. put together by NASCAR. There was 33 drivers. Yeah, about half. About half the drivers. They said, you know, like I think 48 or something like that, we're still living from the NASCAR 75. So it was good to see those faces.

I mean, these are guys that I looked up to for such a long time. It's just an honor to be in the room with them, to be honest with you. and hear all their accomplishments. Like, you really get to appreciate how great these drivers were in their own era or against each other, the huge crown jewel races that they won. It's just, it was a great, great thing for sure, certainly an honor to be a part of it. They let us bring friends and family to it and hosted a little lunch for us.

So thank you to NASCAR for that. Steve Phelps, Steve O'Donnell, and Jim France. That was certainly a great thing. Can we give the people what they want? What do they want? I mean a Carl Edwards sound bite. You were talking to him at the brunch and just people go nuts for Carl Edwards. So I just need.

Like what we talked about? What are we talking about? Or just something, a Carl Edwards something from today. Okay. We actually, we, so I don't know what it is. People kind of draw into Matt Kenseth. around his table and pretty sure pretty quickly it was me matt kentzith carl edwards and Kyle bush all talking this was the dream team that joe gives racing had like 10 years ago it was also

i mean holy crap like in retrospect thinking about it was like oh my gosh i can't believe i was teammates with those three guys like they were so good and like push each other like crazy but i we brought up that Matt was always the kind of the guy who would, he wouldn't shove you into a fight, but he'd definitely give you a little help, right? And so Matt, it was after the Richmond, Carl Edwards and Kyle Bush incident where Carl knocked Kyle out of the way on the final corner, won the race. Well, they got into an argument on money. day and they're shouting at each other and Kyle's like trying to say he wants to fight Carl. There's no way he wanted to actually fight Carl and then like saying, all right, well then let's go or

whatever. And then Matt from the top rope over in the corner of the room is like, let him fight. Let him fight. And so he's just that guy that like would like, hey, did you hear what that guy said about you? Like, just to kind of rile you up. So Matt knows how to, you know, get to you and press your button. So it was cool to get to see him again. My kids and his kids hung out a few summers ago, and we got to get them all together.

He's got a whole litterful of daughters like I do. So, but it was cool to see so many of my old teammates and Carl Edwards. And I've, you know, I never forget. when Carl just up and retired. I'm like, nope, there's got to be some other reason. He's going back to Ford or something. There's something. He's got some rhyme or reason he's doing this.

He's trying to get more money or something. And I just remember calling Carl right after that. And he's like, no, man, I just, I'm out. I just, I have my reasons. He just said, I have my reasons. And still, you hear him on TV today. He just won't, he won't say, why. We all know why. I think

Kenny Wallace has actually got a pretty accurate take on why he left the sport. But yeah, it's... You just need that. You just don't have that confirmation. He just won't give it to you. He's just that private to not give it to you and always keep you wanting more. That's what I respect about Carl. So, you wonder what he's thinking sometimes. Unlike me,

You always know what I'm thinking. So it was cool. He did a great job in the booth, by the way. I thought he was awesome in the booth. Carl and Edwards for third man. Third man in the booth. My vote. He was actually my favorite driver growing up.

Really? Yeah. When I was... What drew you to Carl Edwards? Oh, man. How old was I? He was racing trucks for Roush. So whatever year that was.

His teammate was John Wood. And all the race shops were over here and whatever that street is called. And when I was a kid, we'd park at one end and just go through all the race shops, get the hero cards, and went into that rouse truck shop. And they had a big glass window. And Carl had come out from behind the window in the shop and said, I'm Carl Edwards. You want my autograph? Really?

And it was like, yeah, sure. I'd no idea who you are. And he's like, yeah, I'll be in the cup series one day. Wow. Yep. And then a couple of years later. later, obviously. He made it to the Cup Series and then more. Yeah, no, I, you know, everyone knows about the story of him

and his business cards and whatnot that he used to have back there. Yeah. If you're looking for a race driver, you're looking for me. If you're looking for an autograph, here it is. Yeah, no, but it's great. He's a great dude. He really is. He's certainly introverted.

He keeps his life pretty private. He stays out of the line and light. Just so you all know, I will break a little news, not to rat on Carl. Carl has Twitter. Burner account. He definitely has a burner account. He knows what's going on. I may or may not been sitting beside him at a comp meeting.

And Twitter, I look, Twitter was open. We will never know what name. I guarantee it has, I'm surprised he'd get wiped out with all the other bots from Elon Musk from inactive accounts. or maybe he's just somebody that's just every week just digging, you know, digging, uh, storyline. So you just never know with Carl, but I, just for the race fan and all the media out there, Carl has social media. You just never, you will never know about it.

So, uh, it's great, uh, great weekend. Not a great weekend for me, but we're going to rebound. We went from white hot in my opinion. we're now, we've backed it down, we're now hot again. We have to maintain white hot for multiple weeks. So I still think we've scored more points than anyone in the last five weeks since I said this. So I'm a man of my word.

We've got the All-Star race coming up this weekend. I'm ultra pumped about that for sure. It's a short track. I love those. It's the tire wear race track. I love those. I said in the media this weekend that I think, think it's going to be like playing Mario Kart trying to hit the gold tokens and the gold tokens

are the new parts of the pavement the new pavement like I think we're going to be swerving all over the racetrack to like hit these grippy spots to make our car go so because that track has so little grip but excited for it I heard the atmosphere it's just going to be great it's going to be good yeah my friend Charlie who helped you know put it together and like organize all that stuff he said like it feels like Field of Dreams. We're like, you're just in the middle of nowhere and then all of a sudden, boom,

here's the racetrack and it's lit up and it's just, it's definitely going to have kind of a grassroots feel to it. Yeah. Before we sign off here, let's power rank some paint schemes from today. Okay.

I'm good with that. I'll give you just my favorite couple. For me, Chase Elliott was P1, just because I was a Bill Elliott fan. It's interesting, the most simple scheme sometimes are the best schemes. And it's just one solid color. You stick the decals on it of whatever the sponsor is, and that was the paint scheme.

Yeah. You know, you look at a 1990s or a 2000s poster, and you could just see the cars lined up, and he knew who every car was, because it was the same every week. Now it's just, it was confusing, which brings me to my next point. And, all right, let me just, I'll say that it's, Chase L8P1 I know I'm missing a few

Here You got your list here in front of you Where? The bracket I don't know I mean The ugliest one for sure was the one car No one ever looks good in brown

It's why they don't make clothes in brown Except for Kanye That was the ugliest car What about Almarolus? I might be biased. The junior throwback? All right. Has this run its course?

Has this throwback run its course? It might have because Kyle Busch threw back to himself. Four weeks ago. That wasn't his fault. He doesn't make the pain schemes. But I just feel like everyone's pain scheme is from a different era. I don't even recognize half the cars. All it does is make me more,

more confused as a driver in the race. I don't even know who I'm freaking racing against. Because whose car is this? And who are they throwing back to? I never heard of them or I just, I don't know. I just, everyone was so bought in for the first couple of years. Even the crew guys were decked out. And I just feel like it's lost its luster a little bit.

It's lost its luster. I'm sorry, Carrie Tharp. It just, I don't know how we can revive it. make, I don't know, let's make it mandatory or something like everyone's got to run a 90s scheme or something. You could probably, I mean, you've got so many good ideas. Oh, shut. You could just have some sort of fan engagement where you have a vote or something and the winner gets something cool. Maybe there's a trophy or something.

Clock. That they goes to the team. Maybe a clock. Yeah, maybe Martin Sills got extras. I don't know. You could definitely bring it back. to make it Yeah, it's just,

it'll be tough because the more you do things over and over and over it just, it just loses its luster for whatever reason and it just seems like we've kind of lost

the identity of what error, I mean, I asked Jamie Little on the grid, I was like, what air are we supposed to be throwing back to?

I don't even know because some of them's from evidently Cowbush four weeks ago to the 22 car. I mean, I sort of recognize the scheme but not really and then Dale juniors I don't know I just it's too confusing

I don't recognize any of the cars I agree with the folks on social media saying we need to bring back the identity oh I think it was Bob Pocker's that wrote like things that we need to bring back I disagree with a few of them such as testing but he he is right on a few things that like we need to get car identity back because holy crap man And it's so difficult to figure out who's in what. And especially when you bring in throwback, I don't know who they're throwing back to. And it's throwing back to 12 different eras that we don't even know.

Yeah. It doesn't help either that the throwback race is no longer the Southern 500. That doesn't help either, I don't think. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, no, I see your point there. But the Southern 500 is a big enough race where you would, I don't know that you want to have throwback during the Southern 500 just because that is a major event in our sport. And you probably want to have sponsors that have their main logos on the car or their normal identity, I would think.

That's an argument. Yeah. I did think, though, before we close this episode out, that the, how do you put this? The number 45-2311 racing, Kurt Busch racing, Toyota to Camry was cool. Yeah. No, yes, that was. to his Sharpie car. But the logo on the hood was Kurt Bush.

KB. I mean, hey, we're giving props to KV, one of the top 75, and a great partner here at 2311, and Toyota partner. So, and shout out to him. And I think it's time to bring our first guest in. What do you think? Let's bring her in. This is a surprise.

No one knew. Out of the blue, we were going to have our very first guest. Not even us at an hour and a half ago. Nope. This took this took some convincing by the way. Reluctantly. We talked about this last week. You said, I think we should have my mom on.

I think you're watching a lot of episodes with Dale and his wife, right? And that's how that came to be. I got some advice on it for sure. But I'll say that, yeah, you really missed out. Really the content that was worth having was in the first 15 minutes of our car ride to Darlington. today on Mother's Day. We carpooled all of us together. Me, mom, Jared,

and the whole crew. So that was fun. It took a while for you to get the GoPro going, but by the time you did, everything kind of died. Well, yeah, so I didn't necessarily think that we would all be carpooling together. So I wasn't prepared for that.

And I get in the car and, like you said, he'd start talking and it's just a great conversation. about things that she does in her. Well, we didn't get out of the driveway until I dropped a few F-bombes. Yeah. Right. And that's when, Mom, you hear, guys, do you hear? Mom, get up close to the microphone and so people can hear you sighing every time I drop an F-bomb.

I do. I do. She hates it. I hate it. There's no reason for it. Well, listen, I believe it's a way. to express how very passionate I am about a particular thing that we're talking about. Or, I mean, and it's also the only word that you can make a complete sentence out of by just saying that word.

Yeah, we won't say it, of course. Good. But since this mother, yeah, so since this Mother's Day, my pact is for this show, I'm going to drop no F bombs for this show. Thank you. Just in this segment while she's sitting here. Thank you very much. Okay, yeah. So she appreciates that.

So, yeah, I mean, we wanted to bring my mom on for Mother's Day, obviously, because I believe I got the best mom and the most supportive mom. She's been around, and of course she's been around my whole life. But she's been around and supported my racing career. And it really kind of goes unsung. They are the unsung heroes, right? the parents that make sacrifices to get their kids to where they're at. And it's no different with my parents. We came for very humble beginnings, I guess you could say. We were talking about today in the car about, you know, Jared was asking a few questions about like what, he was just

kind of going through his phone, like asking stuff that maybe would spur up a conversation. And I was like, yeah, I just wish I had a bigger palate when it comes to eating. My mom, we all cooked very normal plain food. Yeah. But a lot of that was driven because my dad was so picky eater, right? And then I just picked up whatever we ate all the time. But mom was like, yeah, well, it's because I had to go to work. And I, you know.

Yeah. Get home at 7, 8 o'clock at night and didn't have a whole lot of time to put something together. Yeah. I mean, but what we did, you know, one thing about racing, though, racing really is what we did as a family, right? You know, we didn't, we tried other sports, right? I tried T-ball and stuff like that and baseball. Basketball.

I tried basketball. I wasn't good at any of them. Like, I was just very average at best. Actually, you were pretty good. At which. But the time came that he had to make a decision because he couldn't do go-kart racing and another sport because they occur at the same time on the weekend. Yep.

Yeah. So he had to make a choice which one that he wanted to do. And I clearly knew which one I was better at. So. Which sport were we talking? Baseball was the one I remember that had a lot of confidence. Yes. And what would happen is that we had other players.

My mom has a really loud ringer. And I tell her all the time, Mom, the ringer. The ringer. I mean, she's got her flashlight blinking every time a text comes. That's what happens. when you turn old. Mom thinks she's older than she really is. I have people in my basketball league that are older than you, mom.

Huh? Think about that. I have people older than you in my basketball league. Not much older. Yeah, that part's probably true. But no, it's, you know, racing is what we did for forever. I think her really, her passion for racing came when she got to get in a go car herself in the powder puff race with a bunch of moms of a million of motor.

to raceway. And she was excited when she got out of the car. But she's my biggest fan, for sure, runs my fan club that's been going for decades now. And she's always the one whenever you send fan mail, please don't send fan mail. But she gets it. And then she sets it all out for me to sign and stuff here in the basement. So she's really in touch with my fans, you know, for sure. There's a lot of, you know, fans that have been, fans.

fans of mine for such a long part of my career that she's got to know them personally ever since the beginning i mean for god that sticks there's only a handful of them at this point so um you know you know you know all my fans by first name fan i agree i mean they stick with you through thick and thin for sure through all those booze oh speaking away how do you how do you that was awful today so you don't like the booze i i don't i don't I mean, I know why they're there. Why are they there? Because he's so outspoken.

Agree. Agree. Yes. I don't think it's what I do on the racetrack. But I don't think today was appropriate because they were showing, what's the word I'm looking for, acknowledging the top 75 NASCAR drivers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was interesting.

You would think for sure the fans would just acknowledge, you know, it doesn't matter whether you liked or disliked those drivers back when they were around. And like, you know, I'm standing front and behind all the legends like Jeff Gordon, Bill Elliott, you know, Jeff Bodine, all these guys. And, you know, everyone, I mean, it was an enormous boo. And I was just like, whoa, what I do? I think I saw a picture of it where they all were turning, looking at you. They were, and they were like, the picture was on my computer. But you know what they all said, though?

They said, that's a good thing. Yeah. Jeff Bodine, he's like, hey, that's a good thing. Bill Elliott, you know, same thing. So it was like. And it's not like some of them haven't gone through. Yeah, for sure. I get it.

I see your point, though. probably a little disrespectful in that setting for sure. If it's driver intros, I think it's whatever, right? It's free game if you don't know. Right. But, I mean, for so long, Kyle Bush got tons and tons of booze. And all of a sudden, he switched over to R. Yeah, no, it switched to me.

I mean, Joe Lugano's been the most for a while to him and Kyle back and forth, but I've clearly taken the crowd. Top spot at GGR. Yeah, I, you know, listen, I think there's a certain amount of fans anyway that don't you know tony stewart there's a lot of fans that did not like when we switched manufacturers back in 2008 and then he switched back and then bam they they love them again so that plays a factor you know getting into it with a few hundred guys that'll that'll certainly knock you down the the favoritism list for sure uh but yeah i i always said you know that like the last thing

you want is claps like claps just means oohhoo all right Next guy. Right. You know, when you're booing or you're cheering, you have some sort of feeling about that person one way or another. So I do think that a lot of it certainly comes from comments, outspokenness. I think that no one likes an opinionated person. And there have been many a time when I have called you up and said, did you really say this? She does.

She says it all the time. But as soon as. I hear your part of it as to, instead of just the snippet of it that somebody on the radio might mention, they don't get the whole scope of the conversation. Yeah, I mean, you read headlines. I mean, it's why we started this podcast, really, right? Is it Dale Jr. thought the same thing. He says, well, I think you're misunderstood.

And if you just get the whole word out there, then I think that people will understand you better. but I'm not here to try to be the most popular driver or anything like that. I'm not trying to win any fans over you. Like me or you don't. But I certainly, you know, my poor mom guys, think about that when you boo me. It's my mom sitting back there just hands and head just shaking her head. And, you know, me and mom had a good heart to heart a few months ago about, you know, my outspokenness. And I was just like, mom, this is who I am.

Like, I hate to... He got it from. Who did he get it from? His dad. Not for me. Because I'm the type of person that I want to keep everything calm. So I'd rather just go along with the flow and not say anything. Yes.

Yeah, right? If the steak is not cooked properly at the restaurant, you're just going to eat it anyway, right? Exactly. Now, my sister Lisa sending that thing back, right? Because she takes after her dad a hundred percent. I feel like I'm a mix of you too. You are, you are. I mean, you used to be really shy, which I think people take as being rude and just not a nice person because you don't say anything.

Well, certainly I am introverted except when I'm with my friends, right? Like when I'm with my friends, I'm definitely a lot different person for sure. But yeah, I mean, I like to stick to my tight-knit crowd and that's about it. But it's, I mean, certainly mom was one that's like doesn't like Denny to be in the news for controversy. That's for sure. You know, when the whole Ross thing started last year, she's like, like just don't just ignore it just it'll be fine you know karma will work itself out and this is after gateway right yeah yeah a few wrecks later she's like okay okay okay whatever you got to do

you know right so so so you want you and ask like what does she think of yeah so what i guess since you brought that up let's let's get into that what what did you watch every one of these races you're in the bus watching what did you think of uh uh the ending of today's race with Ross and the evolving Ross Chastain saga. That's more the question, right? It's like, what's your opinion of it? Yeah. Same as last week when it involved you.

I mean, I think it's just racing. I don't think that they do it on purpose. Even Ross. Yeah. I think you'd like. you just get into it at the time that you don't think of the consequences. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, certainly I think that, you know, when I talk to Ross,

and I've said this many times, that I think that there's something that goes on when he's in the moment and his brain's thinking about, well, what am I going to do to make a move here? that he does get locked into one thought and it just he gets blinded of all the well what about what else what's the result of that

like is there another way is there another avenue but everyone works differently so but what about when that was all at the expense of your son it's easy to watch when you're just innocent bystander right but right

I mean it's hard to sit there and hear people say all these awful things when your opinion is different. But as I've always said, that's what makes NASCAR such a fun sport is because you can have five members of a family all rooting for five different people. We saw today on the TV, right? The Kyle Larson husband and the Ross Chastain wife that were, that they were showing on Fox and it was, you know, the wife was rooting for Chastain. Oh, right.

Yeah. And then when they crash, she looks right over the husband and says, I'm ready to go home. And so that was awesome. I mean, listen, that's why I liked Bill Elliott when I grew up. It's because my dad liked Dale Earnhardt. Right. I just wanted to root against his rival. Yeah.

Right. And so that's, that is what's great about it, right? is that it creates conversation, it creates storylines. Certainly it is exciting for sure. But yeah, it's awesome that we convinced you to come on today on a special Mother's Day. I just want to say thank you to you for being the best mom, most supportive mom. My mom sacrificed a lot to help me get to where I got to. And certainly it was not an easy road.

I never would encourage any family to take. the risk that we took financially to get me to this point, but luckily it did pay off. But like your dad always said while we were going through all this stuff and putting forth all of our money towards it, some people use their money for vacations to buy a boat to do all different things. We decided to put our money in, giving you the ability to do. what we could to and and I'm imagining at some point they realized I was not the college type

yes so yeah we'd always say this is your college fun yeah so you better you better be good at us you better have a skill yeah I tell you what the day that he graduated I was so happy high school oh high school

yes yes I was so happy back then I was part of a huge class, and I am certain that they gave me a diploma just to get me out of school. I mean, I'm certain of it. But I always, I just, I was so tired in school because I was on the work program. My dad started Chesfield Trailer and Hitch, and so I would get out of school at noon every day. Then I'd go to work at my dad's trailer shop, and I'd work till 6 p.m., 5 or 6 p.m., whenever the last customer was gone. and then

work on the race car worked on the race car till 10, 11 at night. So I didn't do my homework. Like I didn't do anything. I just, then I went home. I'm exhausted.

I'm tired. I sleep. I barely make the school bus in the morning or I drive to school. And then I'm just figuring out, well, man, how am I going to pass this class? Like school was the last thing on my mind

because it was all about racing and work. That's all I did. And so. And as dad always, made them work on Saturdays. We were open part of the day on Saturdays. And before he could load up the car to go racing, he would have to run the shop that Saturday. Yeah.

You actually worked almost 40 hours a week while going to school. Yeah. And I had to work on my race car. Yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, my dad. And you try to sneak out of work and go to.

Yeah. In between customers and stuff. It's low. I'm going over, sneaking over the race car, seeing like what I got to tinker on there. But yeah, I mean, my dad used to say to me, like, this isn't my hobby. It's your hobby. So like this isn't just a, you know, you just sit back and drive. And boy, you'd hear him hollering through the shop.

Danny, get over here. Oh, I could, I hear the echoes now. because I was, the race car shop was basically just part of the trailer shop. It was in the last couple bays of it. And so, yeah, he would catch me over there working on the race car during work hours. And customers would roll in. He would be pissed. So, I mean, it was fun times.

One thing about I loved about the trailer shop, though, it was, I enjoyed my job. Like, I loved going to work every day. I loved being in customer service. I loved trying to figure out a wiring problem. or welding or fabricating or whatever I had to do that day. So it was a fun job. And you were good at it. Yeah.

I mean, I had to learn so quickly because my dad had back issues. So, you know, he only could hang around work till two, three in the afternoon. He'd have to go home. And so, you know, he left me an 18-year-old pretty much to run that company, you know, for the most part. And so I got my jumpstart on running a business pretty early. That explains a lot because I feel like everyone looks at you and says, oh, Denny, he's a full-time race car driver. Oh, and now he's a full-time race car owner. And now he's starting a podcast.

Why the F would you want to bother doing that too? Thank you, Jared. A lot. Well, I'm just saying you didn't drop. I thought about that well before that came out of my mouth. I said I can't say that word. Well, Mom, thank you. Wait, before you leave, before you leave, and we kind of kind of just talk.

about this but obviously today the special day being Mother's Day but also Denny got his NASCAR 75 recognition I'm just curious when you were there at the brunch watching him get called up on the stage and recognized for the honor and then standing behind all of these legends who I thought you probably watched on your TV as yes yes absolutely what you were thinking in that moment almost brought me to tears never did we ever think I mean, at the time that he, his entire life, said that he wanted to be a race car driver, our hopes were that he would at least get the opportunity to race against them, race with them, be one of them.

Never did we even think about what, you know, winning a Daytona 500, much less winning three Daytona 500. hundreds, never crossed our mind that he'd be one of the top 75 drivers of all times. It amazes me, and it amazes me the person that he has become from that kid that didn't want to go to school, didn't want to study, and now that's all he does. I mean, he studies everything and has made us very, very proud. My mom was one of my first phone calls after the NASCAR 75. Yes. Just saying how proud she was for me, obviously, it certainly meant a lot to me.

Because we, I mean, it all, I'm here because of the sacrifices that my parents made. So thank you. Just want to say thank you and bring you on and introduce Mom. Malau she actually one last thing too, thank you for sticking up for me on Twitter. You did? Posted a tweet for the first time

and forever because over the whole And I didn't know. Pamilu posted a tweet. And I didn't know if I was doing it right. I don't even know if it showed up. It only only replies.

Only to Dave Moody. What did you say? It was about the whole Martinsville clock thing basically. And what I was saying, is basically I was poo-pooling on the all-star trophy. You know, that by the way, I think it's a beautiful piece of art. I just don't know that it's a trophy.

It's a piece of art. It's not a trophy. But that's fine. It's not a trophy because they don't put any markings of all-star race winner. Right. The date or whatever. May 20-something, 20-23. And then that kind of brought up the whole Martinsville clock thing because the clock doesn't have that on it.

No, my clocks are in boxes in my garage because it is just a, you know, it is just a clock. I actually saw. It's not just a clock. Let me be clear about it. I understand the significance of, I know I'm getting off the hinges here, of the significance of the Ridgeway clock because that's what the closest, the biggest business, I guess in Martinsville that there is, right? we'll make a commemorative trophy of a Ridgeway clock. Like, you know, it's just like they do at Talladega, right?

They've got that symbol and the Michigan trophy has got it. Like, I get that, but you, like you said, you have one of my Martinsville clocks. I have one of the clocks, but I don't know what date or that it was a trophy. And the thing is, is that when he's older, and has grandkids and that and they see these clocks. If he's no longer around, what are they going to know about these clocks? Because we had a grandfather clock in our home.

In Virginia when I was growing up. And so she's got that clock and she's got the Martinsville clock. And you were saying, I don't know which one's... I think that's news to most people. I thought up until you tweeted, about it. I thought the date and everything was ingrained in the glass. No, no. And actually, you could have it done. Clay Campbell is a great dude. I guarantee you he'll have it on the next Martinsville clock. I talked to him this weekend. A lot of change happens because of this show. No,

I know. I guarantee it. And listen, I am not, I understand the significance of winning at Martinsville. I love those clock. I understand the clock. Totally right. But for my mom's sake, please. Just tell me, Please signify that this is a trophy and not just a grandfather. Yeah. And the date. For my mom. Yes. Before you leave here, Marily, would you ever do a ride along with him?

I'm just curious. I already did. Oh, you did? I did. It did not go well. At what track? It was in Atlanta. Yeah.

Before the, I mean, it's basically the same. But I held it wide open, of course. I was up against the wall and she was just, she was not happy with me. Was this before go? pros came out? I mean, who knows? I'm sure there's some sort of video of it, but... No, there's no video. You don't think there wasn't an

in car? No? I thought maybe, or did I grab your phone and was I recording you as I was driving? Oh, there's no way you allowed that to happen. I don't think it's on there. Yeah, there was some reason why we couldn't do it. I think it was because I was holding on

so hard. I had nowhere to, no way to hold the, hold the phone to tape it. I think to feel like there's a lot of turbulence in those cars, right? Oh my. I had no idea when you go around the corners, the G forces. I had no idea.

I said, how do you do this for hundreds of laps, you know, being close to other cars? It's just amazing. Mom, thanks for coming on. I know you were, it took a lot of convincing. were really worried about coming on here and not being able to do it. But you were great. You were perfect. And you didn't know the questions.

No, I didn't. I didn't know any of the questions. I was trying to get the questions so I could be thinking about it. That's a pro move. It all comes on the floor. All right. Well, thank you. And we love you and see you tomorrow.

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