Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Nashville: Not Enough Fuel & Officially A Rivalry With Larson

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

Denny Hamlin is back from a disappointing end to his race Sunday in Nashville. He is joined by Tyler Reddick, who won the Denny Hamlin Bracket Challenge but was also upset with how things ended on Sunday.Tyler opens up about why he was so frustrated after finishing in third place (3:00). Kyle Busch was not counted as one of the cars in one of the overtime crashes (7:00).How was Joey Logano able to finish the race and not run out of fuel (9:20)? And, are all the fuel cells in the cars the same?Austin Cindric was punished for an illegal fan (25:30).Can we officially call Denny Hamlin versus Kyle Larson a rivalry (28:00)?What does NASCAR need to do with Carson Hocevar for wrecking Harrison Burton (33:50)? Was Joey Logano mad at the wrong person (42:40)?Tyler Reddick talks about how his season is going so far and makes one request from Denny for winning his bracket challenge (45:20).Plus, should NASCAR limit how many overtime restarts they have?For ore Actions Detrimental content, head over to our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimental Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Next year, certainly drivers will be thinking about their matchups during the race. Especially, yeah, but the money involved. Do we have like a tumbler or something for Reddick? So you can at least leave here with something? Again, let me go in your closet and just pick out a... You wear nine's, right? No, sir. I thought you did.

A little bigger than that. Nine and a half? A little bigger than that. What size? I think I can... I can make it work. Can I go in the closet and just pick out a pair of like? Absolutely. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media.

Hey guys, welcome to action's detrimental. Ow! That hurt Charlie! This is not going to be a rose color glasses show. Pleading with NASCAR, who I guarantee you is listening to this. It was warm and then it was cold. But I kind of liked it. The 11DH. We're all in. We're going all the way to promising.

Hey guys, welcome to Action's Detrimandal. I'm Danny Hamlin, driver the FedEx Camry this past weekend. I have two co-hosts. this evening this morning. We have our bracket challenge winner, Tyler Reddick. Good morning. Congratulations. I got something out of the weekend at least.

You got some pride. Yeah. I'm out of the car. I'm pissed, obviously. And Tyler Anderson, who I work with, comes up to me, he's like, hey, you're going to be on the podcast. And I just in that moment, I was like, oh, it's wonderful. Yeah.

great that's that's fantastic news yeah so uh jared hey jared how's it going good good good um jared allen's our normal uh co-host he's now moved uh close from me since you are i got what he didn't even run 1100 by the way yeah i know that's that's the first thing tyler said when he walked in yeah you guys both feel the same way this morning uh well kind of tyler i i I didn't get to download your day. We usually save that for about 1215 today. We'll go to 2311 and download everything. But it seemed like you were kind of right in the mix all day with me and Christopher.

And kind of that seemed like the group of cars that kind of stood out to me. And then at the end, it seemed like, you know, kind of tell us about that whole sequence at the end and kind of why you were all upset. I didn't, because people asked me, did you see Tyler's interview? And I said, no, I haven't. You know, I got lots of other things to process at the moment, but kind of talk us through your day. Yeah, we were, like you said, right in the mix. I feel like we had good speed.

It can be hard to tell, right? Just when you're behind one or two cars, all right, if I'm staying this close, am I better? Are we about the same? But on the green flag runs, I could definitely feel like through the middle of, corner we were a little bit better than than the 20 and I never really got to race around you on the long run so certainly the first run of the race you know we were still lacking a little bit of rear grip practice was a hard read for us um I mean we were just junk we did everything we threw at the car just didn't work so we had to just put that out of our mind and our car was a lot better in qualifying so in the race it was

driving like it didn't qualifying so just trying to hang on to it not make a mistake it lose spin out and I'd say from that first green flag stop on for much of the race, we were really, really solid. Just we had to get our way to the front. So we bolted on the last plan set of tires. And obviously we were further back in traffic. So I don't know if we just didn't. Yeah, that's where I mean you restarted back there. 14th, 15th. Yeah, like 60, 70 to go. Yep. Yeah, I don't know if we just missed the adjustment a little bit, didn't adjust enough. But I mean, from that point on,

to you know the race race ended there we were just just too tight couldn't make moves couldn't go anywhere so that was frustrating for sure so I really tried to push hard and get around I got back around Martin we were racing tie I felt like if I could have got by

tie could have got up to Larson and I mean it was kind of a sign that something was just off with the tires racing tie I noticed right away it got a step tighter right and just numb in the front and like oh boy a quarterman my tires. So we kind of had to back it up and just ride to the end. And I was just trying

not to blow the right front tire, kind of just managing the gap back to Busher. We're going to finish eighth. And the gosh, she came out with two to go. And I was like, great. I knew we were in a bad spot. With the tire situation, right, we were going to be sitting duck on the green white checkered. So I mean, it was a dog come in and pit. Yeah, we had to pit. I mean, it was a hard pill to swallow, but I mean I would have just been in the way on that restart we were so off the pace so just a situation we were put in yeah you know I was sitting there 29th coming to the first overtime attempt and I was just like this sucks I mean I don't know we were going to get back to right 25th maybe and looking at Joey Lugano was 14th on the last lap yeah you know you know I'm sorry

coming to go yeah so it uh it took the whole field and flipped it upside down for sure um nilus to say i was not a big fan of that that first caution yeah i just worked over chastain for many many laps and uh finally got him in a spot there where he wasn't going to be able to control his car and um man that was a good battle and man i really wanted to see the checker on that one because it just i had to battle back through so many different things that happened throughout the day um you'd like to get the payoff from it but uh man yeah yeah tough one and we'll dig into how we all got there. But how do you guys feel about the way, like the cause of this caution?

Because you both, obviously it was a bad beat for both you. Denny, you were about to win. Tyler, you were going to finish in the top 10. Now, ultimately, your finish was better at the end of the day. But at the time, you know, it took you from an eighth place top 10 finish outside the top 20, whereas these two guys are, you know, playing grab ass. I'm quoting you. In the back to cause a caution with two to go.

Yeah, well, yeah, once I made it to the back, I was okay with it, right? The first caution, you know, I wasn't involved in the wreck, but when everyone stacked up, I got a little bit of damage. And I didn't know where they're going to, if they were going to position me where I was running before I had to slow down my pace a lot to not, you know, run into somebody in the crash. So the whole thing was just crazy. There was cars all over the place. It was kind of like Darlington-esque.

of the spring last year where you saw Harvick. I know Kuzlowski was another, and there was one other car that, you know, kind of were in the area of the wreck, but didn't stop, so they gave them their spot back. I wasn't in the fence, wrecked like they were,

but, you know, I had an aggressive restart, starting 29th. I basically drove it in there until it got loose and passed a couple rows, and then, you know, they racked right in front of me, so I'd almost come to a stop. But where I was on that timing line, they threw that caution.

I gained like seven there and just each restart, crazy things were happening. And it was chaos on the roof. It was chaos on the pit box. Nobody really knew where they were each lineup. I'd say the one where I think it was when Kyle ran out of gas and Bush spun because of it. I mean, we were like five wide all the way back through the pack because everybody thought

they were here there and NASCAR had their hands full there. Yeah, I mean, we, can get into the kind of the how they officiated the scoring it was interesting uh certainly uh tv brought up the the cow one i thought that that was extraordinary that they um they they put the eight back up as far as he did because he actually hit the wall um while he was just trying to avoid the wreck i missed that one completely i you know i saw ross wreck that was the one where i had to check up quite a bit uh so i was fighting my own battle to get back where i right where me and my team believed that i was before for the caution and I saw the eight go by it I'm like I mean the right side's ripped off of it and

they gave him a spot back so I mean in the honor of consistency I guess right I benefited from it so I sure I personally can't really be too upset about it well I you know in the moment I'm upset at the time because we're taking forever under caution but yeah like you say they've got so much they've got a process when they're trying to figure out who's running where who's involved in the wreck who was slowing down who is not it's it's painful because because, you know, such as in the instance of Austin Cendrick, he spun and just, he just kept on going. And yet, I don't know how long that caution was, but it felt like five laps, like something really long. Now, scoring shouldn't have been really an issue there, but I just thought that the cautions took a long time.

Now, again, I understand it once we get in these green white checkers and we're going eight wide. But it is kind of a cut and dry where I guess they probably have to look at a replay, right, figure out who's in the rec, who's not. But then after that, it's all just numbers and a printout of where you're supposed to be. You know, something we used,

I remember from when I race go carts to even, I feel like even in my late model days, when they would have a real big mix up like that. I mean, we weren't pushing close on fuel, but maybe it's something in these overtime situations

where, you know, when there's cars like you and the 19 and 5 to 8. Yeah, the whole field was really high. When they have a real mix up, you know, they would, they would stop us, they would stop us on the back or they'd stop us near an official and then they would just say, all right, you know, the eight, the five, the 19 and have us move. I don't know if it'd actually save us any fuel, but certainly, yeah, a lot of,

it's a hard job. It's a hard job getting us lined up, especially when we're all trying cheat the system as much as we can. And it always feels worse when you're low on fuel, right? It's like when you're late to something, then you hit every red lights. Like, of course, I'm hitting all the red lights today. Right, right. And it's, and the red lights are all just timing,

right? It's like, you can, like, I know when I leave the neighborhood here, if I time it right, I can have all greens

all the way to 77. Right. Or I can hit every single red light because of the timing. So, yeah, it's a bummer, but it's,

I was surprised not to run out sooner. You know, our estimates I should have ran out long before I did. But, yeah, no one made it as far as the 22. Man, that was crazy as far as he went.

You know, what was it, 110 total lapse? That's what I heard, yeah. Yeah, 30 to 40 over the fuel window. Yeah. I think there's a lot of factors to play into that. Certainly, I think that not every fuel cell is exactly the same. So you're going to have a little bit of variance there. What do you mean?

They're not all the same. Well, it's just like every part you buy on the car. they're not you know while they're the same they're not the same so some guys have more a bigger fuel cell than other guys i mean it's such a minuscule it's a small amount but yes some apparently it might not be a small amount it might not be i mean the difference between him finishing the race and not was you know he ran out uh i guess when he was doing his celebration but um yeah that that's not much fuel. So if you get, you know, point two gallons more out of your tank, that, you know, you can go somewhere with it. So, but yeah, it was one, there's a lot of factors into it. And I saw a lot of

questions into, well, how, how is it possible that he, that he didn't run out of gas? I think there's a few things that go into that. Track position matters. When you're running kind of as poorly as they were, he, he was not in the gas as much as the leaders, right? So he's having to lift out of the, you know, your lift point in the corner is, is shallower. So you gain that. You can't get back in the gas as quick because you're in traffic. So more than likely, he was getting better fuel mileage than what all the leaders were that were in open track for the bulk of that run. And horsepower of the engines play a factor in that as well. If, um, If you look and look at the cars that kind of ran out first, it was the Chevys, then it was the Toyotas, then the Fords were the last to run out.

So when you have more horsepower, you typically run out of, run out of gas quicker because you use more fuel. So those are some of the things. And while it looks like a big number, and it was a big number that they made, you know, he had a lot of benefits. It's, you know, and this is one of the few benefits of running slow in the course of that last run. It's like speedway race a little bit. Yeah, not, exactly, right? You're just back there and he's fighting for 15th or whatever he was going to finish before this all happened. And yeah, it's just, you know, you have to do a good job of saving as well.

You know, we don't know if his crew chief gave him information throughout the race to say, you know, when they're in the spot, hey, save me some in case we got green white checkers. Maybe he was doing that where, I mean, I was going all out, right? I was trying to catch the one and I was running as absolute hard as I could. So, yeah, it doesn't take much. And you can save, you know, a gallon or so, you know, pretty easily. Everyone's fuel saves maybe a little different under caution. So there's ways that this happened.

And it all just lined up perfectly for him. His average running position yesterday was 14th. Which is right where he was when the first caution came out. Tyler, were you expecting him to run out in his last two laps? Yeah, I mean, we, I don't know if I was expecting it, but just based off the information we had, you know, by the team's calculations, they thought the 22 was going to run out before the 14. So I didn't, I wasn't going to give up a row to restart behind one car or the other based on those numbers.

it just worked out to where, you know, I end up by the numbers being close to the front and the outside. So yeah, I was, I was ready for it, I guess. I was trying to plan accordingly. May have been a mistake on my part, but I was kind of thinking, too, he'd be a less, a little less apt to run a larger distance around the track, too, because of that. Is that what, is that what you were frustrated about? Is that, were you, you frustrated in yourself at the end? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I feel like I got there with one to go and I mean, kind of all day long, I've been really adversely affected by the big arc in the late apex, right? And pretty much had zero success running within two or three car lengths of somebody

on the bottom doing that. And when that would happen, I'd lose my run. I wouldn't even have, I wouldn't even be anywhere near for another lap and a half. So I was really hoping that. that he was going to take that approach. I'd seen others take all day long. I didn't, you know, in the moment, I didn't know that when he was racing the 14, he raced him a similar way, you know, really ran up the track, ran him out of room.

Do you mean drivers do that? Well, yeah, right? But not knowing that, you know, the restart before he got by the 14 doing that, you know, I kind of just, I probably had the wrong approach. Yeah. You know, the way.

It was going to be a hard, it would it had been hard to believe that he was going to let you pass on the outside like yeah if you got position like you're going to get run up in the fuzz right so but it's it's it's just a tough spot if you go low you know then yeah you got a hope that you get close enough and just somehow that has a bobble I mean I saw the way you passed the one and believe it like I passed the five at the end of stage one a very similar way I pretty much had given up on trying to pass it was like it's the move that almost never works where you try to drive in there and get to the left rear and I got like just close enough to where he just wiggled off the bottom I guess

I don't know that normally that never works right I didn't want it I didn't want to try the you know the in my opinion you know you talk percentages right like a low percentage move and I don't know maybe just with the tired advantage it would have been enough yeah that that's that's the only thing is you had such a tire advantage, maybe that if you did get close enough to him, right, he has that moment because more likely he was hanging on at that particular moment anyway, but it's always easy to second guess, right?

I mean, it's tough. I really thought. You're trying, I mean, I'm trying to explain to the people that you're going on the straightaway, right, and you've got to run and you're half a car link back, and all you're doing then is it's, this guy's looking up, you're looking forward, and you're just trying to predict.

It's all predicting. right and it's just whether you get that prediction right now you know if you are in a better tired advantage sometimes you had the ability to you know change direction a little bit more easy but it's still at some point you're going to have to cross a wake one way or another you're going to have to cross and that wake is just very very hard to overcome no matter what advantage you got yeah i definitely felt like i was going to have a better shot of crossing his wake from you know behind the car to the right than from behind yep you know him shutting it off from right to left.

Yes. So that was... Is there a moment there if you're running second that you can see how he's going to enter the corner and then you can choose based on that? It's tough. I mean... Because you need to carry as the second car,

you need to carry so much speed to then be close enough to do something. You pretty much got to be at the max potential of the car and it requires every bit of down force. You know, guys like him, I mean, I've seen you do it. Larson, Ross, those guys are really, really good. and have a really good defensive plan. And it's just something I've got to get a little bit better at.

Yeah. So you're committed to a line going down the backstretch? You're committed to... No. I'm committed to maximum entry speed. I just got to figure out where they're going to go. Right. With that just long, lazy-like arc, I mean, it's not like lazy's probably a bad word.

It's a calculated arc, right? Like you're going into the corner and leaving yourself just enough room to shade up, shade down, and I was just trying to, you know, wait for that moment that he would cut down and he would, he kind of act like he was going to go to the middle. But as soon as he saw me really poked the right rear, he'd just, he'd just unwind the wheel. Not to turn this whole discussion into a tire talk, but Paul Wolf in the post race said that on that last pit stop, that it was a no-brainer that they were going to put two tires on and that two tires carried them to this win.

Yeah, so when did they put on their last? So 111 laps as well. No, we know his lefts went 111 because that was the last time he pitted. But when did he take lefts before that? Because that was the last time he pitted for lefts. You know what I mean? So he went further in 110. So he pitted in that last cycle?

Yeah. So with like 60, 70 to go when we all pit what was going to be for the last time he took rights there? Is that? No, he pitted for the very last time. with a hundred and some laps ago. Because that's what it said. He went X amount of laps. That was the end of stage two.

Okay. But what I'm saying is that he only took right. So when did he put the lefts on? You know, before that, right? So over half the race. Right. Because they only had a three, well, this is a marathon, 300 and some laps. So I don't know.

I mean, we could look it up quick. But either way, yeah, there was very little tireware. and it's one of those tracks that certainly good year could do some work to the left side tire at least the left side tire that to me that's where they really got to get more aggressive on all tracks is with the left side tire you know but but yeah it you know I think kind of was it a good race kind of you know it could have gone either way I think there were still some good battles there at the end. But yeah, Ligano going that far on left.

He said it was an easy call because there was less than one second of falloff for, you know, 80 laps or something. So, yeah, I think that it's certainly we could get better there. Goodears working on that. You know, we had our driver meeting and they're working on some stuff to try to get more aggressive with these tires, which, you know, it is a slow process, right? I mean, we wish we could just snap our fingers and them, you know,

have an adequate tire fall off at each race track. But I think that they're learning as they're going. And when we go revisit, you know, hopefully they continue to, you know, know, know, know, we've got a lot of room for margin here at Nashville. Let's go further. I definitely think they're getting closer. We, in the middle of this week, it was a busy week, doing double duty. running for Sam Hunt.

We had the tire test at Watkins Glen, and one of their Devo tires, it was really, I mean, Watkins Glen's always been a place where you fight to have any sort of fall off. And one of the tires I had there for us, I mean,

I think it had like, I think it was like four seconds to fall off. Whoa. What? Yeah. So I think they're getting closer. I think for them, they just got to figure out how they're running that tire?

They got to work on it. They got to figure out, I think, how many lapses is you run? too much but we ran 20 so i mean i think they're getting close i think they're getting closer that's yeah yeah no but but you know they're i think they're getting closer to that right like you know they were trying to find something for walkins glen right and road course tire short track tire right like i don't know what the differences might be in the construction of it but i think they're getting closer to that to that point man that would be exciting because walkins glen holy cow that was i think last year the

toughest track to pass. I mean, I got the poll there and Markucci told me, he says, hey, if we, if we lead lap one, we're going to lead every lap. So try to figure out how to lead lap one. I didn't. And I finished second. Because all I did was hold up everyone behind me the entire day. So it was, yeah, Walkins Glen needed a ton of work. And I mean, that excites me to hear that they at least found something that's got significant fall off. Do you guys not talk about? Do you guys not talk about this stuff in like driver's chats after your testing well i you know i guess in this situation like hey guys we had four second follow off like you know well you know again i you know i probably sure remember i got a microphone in my in my face i mean it's it's something they're working

towards right will they have it for this walkins glen we'll see i know they want to it's just a process of putting the things in place to to make it a reality but i think i guess more in anything right if we can have fall off at walkins glen i'm sure we can't can find it at these other race tracks exactly yep yeah it's something that can be implemented at your phoenix is or whatever right and i think that the surface at walkins glan it kind of reminds me a little bit of phoenix yeah you know so you can do you can make that work so joey put on four tires at lap 188 so those left sides went 250 is that math check out no oh 150 over time okay so you only have only have

had 40 or so laps on those lefts. But either way, half the race. Yeah, he ran on the lefts. Truthfully, from a wear perspective, he could run the whole race on his lefts. I mean, he wouldn't be as competitive. But, yeah, these tires won't. They're not going to wear out.

Yeah, I mean, when we had that red flag, Christopher, I think Christopher was still on those right side tires. And we, you know, we sat and we went back going. I mean, I pretty much noticed zero difference in his car capability from the time he put on the right side tires. the time he went back to four tires a little bit later in maris yeah actually i had looked at his lifetimes during that um during the rain delay and you know he was running like three sub 30 50 laps in a row um and it was the same as what it was on four tires um we took four uh chris came to me

um right when that rain came uh i got out of the car and he he greeted me right as soon as i got out I was like, I screwed up. I was so worried about your battery voltage. I just fumbled the ball here. And, you know, but thanks for a good restart. You got us back in the game. We're back now, P6. He's like, we're fine.

We're going to win this race. We just, we execute this correctly. We're going to be fine. And so, yeah, it was, it was an interesting situation, you know, because the field kind of split there. I took four. A few of other people took four as well. But the bulk of the cars up front took two.

That definitely was the right call. But it shuffled the field at least during that point. And certainly when the rain came and then everyone got their stuff cooled back off, like it didn't. Yeah, just reset. It reset everything. Because usually the follow-off that we do see in these tires is through heat. And so anytime you can cool them all the way back off,

they're usually going to fire right away. Well, yeah, speaking of cooling, they gave Cindrick a penalty for how he had his fans placed, I guess? I guess he was cooling the inside of his car. So does it have to be over the wall, I guess? Because everybody else, like I looked up and down pit road. Everyone had their fans pointed at their cars, but they were on pit road, just not from the pit box, I guess.

I don't know. I'd have to see that. but I mean more than likely well I mean because we we added water to my my drink system and the guy's like hey if you want to do that do it under caution we're like

we can't yeah that's strange we can't but I mean the NASCAR official at our car told us we could you know add you know replace bottles that's what I thought thought that was yeah I told him I was like, tell them it's no different than handing me a water bottle in here.

They've always allowed that. So was it just pointed down at the car the entire time? I wonder if, you know, you technically could be pointing it at tires and under the car, you know, to cool the car fully off, things like that. Well, that was a confusing part for me is I looked up and down pit road and there was a lot of cars with their fans pointed like right in front of the tires. But what we're saying, there was even our officials that were standing in our pit box had a different interpretation of the rules of the drink system.

Yeah. So not everyone's on the same page there. And so certainly it seemed where I guess he had to go to the back for that. So I won't. Maybe that's, if that doesn't happen, then you win this race. He's not in the back with Gregson. Doesn't get hit checked a little bit. Yeah.

Doesn't spin out. NASCAR got you again. Listen, I, I don't know. Am I crazy to think that like, I feel. like I should have 100 wins. Like, this is crazy. The ways I've lost races. Hey, damn it.

I feel you. It sucks, right? It does. I was, believe it or not, I was actually happy I was third and not second because I didn't add to the, it would have been like 12 or 13 second place finishes I got to my name. So, yeah, those are driving me crazy too. I want to know, Denny, if there's any part of you that thinks if you race Kyle differently last week and if his spotter didn't make the comments he made that you would have won yesterday

and there wouldn't have been multiple overtime finishes because of the way he raced you into one which caused the wreck with ross like if that's another driver leading that race if that's chase elli or william biern does kyle race the same way into one well i my my question would be because you restarted on the bottom because you knew that he would take he would try to take i i didn't trust either one of them to start on the inside of me. We just talked about being on the high side, you're just, you're just in a bad spot on these mile and a half. So I wanted to run the bottom. I, and the bottom had been the preferred lane anyways. Yeah, I'd restarted on the bottom all day. It wasn't a reaction to any one person or anything like that.

I just think Kyle was out of control. You know, he, you know, should I have been, you know, thinking that his thought process post-races. He was like, yeah, I was trying to knock the 11 up the racetrack, and then that way I could get clean air. Well, that would have wrecked the one as well, because the one's on the outside of me. So I think he was okay with just crashing whoever was in front of him. You don't think it had anything to do with it being you, that there were, maybe the guardrails off a little bit. Yeah, but the sticks keep getting raised because I got hit early in the race, and he knocked me in the 22 up the racetrack, and then the end of stage two. So, again, if he's but hurt over a lap that happened at the end of Loudon that, okay, he wouldn't give me an

inch to clear. Okay, well, you know, this is now three instances in a row. So now I feel like, okay, I need to respond. So I'm in this for the long haul. I'm fine with the way we're racing and it's going to keep going and it's going to keep getting raised. So is it a rivalry? I'm sure.

If you want to call, oh, hey, it's finally calling it one. Finally calling it. He didn't do it. No, he didn't. I just said, fine. I don't care what you want to call it. Travis, can we add a clip into this? Denny said it is not a rivalry.

Yeah, I mean, I listened last week. I mean, what's your justification, Jared? 100%. 100% of what? A rivalry. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, I mean, you usually are the one racheling that, well, you know, he, this or that or what's your... I think he definitely raced that final, that first overtime restart the way he did because you were in front of him.

I think if that was a nine car. What about beside me? He was, when he lost control on the other restart and went down the track, he was running into the right rear during that instance as well. And then, he crossed the lanes because he was out of control and then got right behind me,

the caution fell right away. When he restarted next to you. Yeah, but there was multiple times he started next to me. I don't know about any besides the, I'm not saying I don't know about any. Like, I didn't see,

I didn't see, I didn't take note of ones besides the first overtime restart and then the one following that. Yeah, I mean, Loudon, Loudon happened because when we came off turn four, out of the blue, he was running up against my right rear, like grinding up against the side of my car, just like he did with Kyle Bush. And so I took exception to that. And I'm like, what the fuck? And so I'm trying to go places with, you know, I'm faster in him. I'm trying to catch the 45 who's, you know, I'm on better tires than all of them.

rain's coming so I squeeze him up into the third lane didn't run him in the fuzz I mean at all he never got in the fuzz and so my my opinion is the same we still that was hard racing and I took exception to getting run into on the straightaway just like Kyle took exception to him running into him on the straightaway and then again there was three or four instances this this race so again i you know this will keep going and it it will not just keep going it will continue to get raised because hearing that he was going to be content which is knocking us up into the one um you know that changes the game certainly at the end right i just feel like those comments that that his spotter made last week were i saw a spotter at a bar in Nashville. I told him shut the

up in person too. I did. Maybe you shouldn't have said that. I could picture Tyler's face when you told him that. It was kind of like, he was like, hey, I'm Tyler, I'm like, oh, hey, shut the fuck up.

So, no, I mean, it was, we were laughing at the time, right? So we were all out during that time. But yeah. It's all good. It's all good. I'm not complaining. I think that This is, you know, certainly week in, week out, the 11 or five are going to race for race wins more times than not. And clearly, you know, we see how it's going to go.

And so I think that we just need to continue doing this. And we'll just see how it all nests out. Hopefully the 45 is there to pick up the pieces. Run third. Matt D. Benedetto tweeted. who Matt D. Benedetto. Who's that? I mean, you more or less ended his career.

I didn't end his career. I helped his career. I bought the guy sets of tires when he was You could have a beliaking on social media about not having money to go racing. You could have let him win Bristol. Give me a break. What do you say?

He said when Kyle passed you back at the end of stage two looked like the normal way the 11 passes the five to me. Well, see, that's the thing is they see highlights. They don't watch the entire race, nor they see what happens when we're not on camera, right? I simply have just converted my style into Kyle Larson's style that he's been racing for 10 years. So now it's just, it's clashing because we're driving each other the same. And just two good cars racing for the win. That's it. Just fun racing. Harrison Burton and Carson Hosevar.

Oh, only saw a highlight of that one. So I'm going to call on NASCAR here. They need to do something to Carson. They don't need to suspend him or anything like that, but they need to dig into his pocket a little bit because I think that you have to, anytime you have someone that goes before a judge, right, they always take into your past history, right?

And we've seen this happen. And they, you know, when he was in the truck series and then I think you right rear-hook someone under caution at Martinsville. was it last year? I think it was last year because Carson goes through these moments where he'll be fine, you know, or at least what I see, he'll be fine, and then all of a sudden he'll just lose it. And certainly Harrison took exception to it as he should. And the 77 crashed him under caution. So you need to dig into his pocket, points is whatever. I don't, I don't

know whether he really cares about points. I guess he's racing for a rookie of the year, so maybe some points or something. Because they did do that to Austin Hill, didn't they, in the Xfinity series for crashing someone under caution at Charlotte? Cole Custer. I think it was like 25 points. 25 points. Enough to hurt today.

Exactly, right? You got to do something. And I don't even know that Austin Hill has the rap sheet that Carson does. So it's just my opinion that you got a young guy coming in here and he's doing the same these kind of same bad habits that he's been doing and again he goes through phases with it but yeah they i think they need to get his attention here

yeah i feel like it's it's like you said the past history's there right to right rear hooks and one under caution and again it's not like he destroyed his car but the severity of the crash doesn't matter it's still the same act doesn't it add like another lap to the the if you right rear hooks, I'm going down the back stretch under caution. If you're coming to the choose or something, now don't you have to add and extend the caution lapse as well? Well, I thought when the caution came out, I thought it was for the 21. I didn't know that that was just, there was another wreck and then that was just a add-on wreck.

But yeah, it's certainly just, it's just not good for sure. Like, you know, for instance, you know, when I was displeased with Larson or, you know, just playing grab as you say you know we weren't neither one of us were going to spin each other out under caution i just was giving him a bump there and then he hit the brakes and then it made it look worse than what it really is but um but we were fine after that and so you know i think that taking you know getting beside someone and then steering to to to try to hook them i'm not a fan of that at all and i think that uh this typically uh in nascar's past when you had different people running it they would give these learning moments that okay don't don't be doing this and you know

we'll see if they do that yeah i figured that out really early in my career it just ended up happened to being where i was out of the truck is my first year me and hermong kuroga got into it pretty good at polka no oh i haven't heard that damn forever yeah we i'm trying to remember the whole thing but basically uh he used he used me up he he right hooked me um out of the tunnel turn and we both got sent to the back so we're you know on four tires racing through the field like crazy i'm just trying to get to him and um as i was right hooking him the caution had just had already come out so i needed to basically let him go and i was you know determined to basically wreck him the exact same way he got me and uh i had a fun conversation with nask craft of that one

yeah it is it as it worked out i basically had like two months off anyways but i think whether i was racing or not, I was going to have about a month or two off from from truck series competition. You live and you learn though, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's what the safety implications, right? Like, you know, when you're mad at somebody, you don't, that stuff's not going through your head, right? Right. Right.

Hocking somebody into the wall hitting driver's side first or sitting them back across traffic is, can be a scary thing. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, too, is the cars were not fully slowed down yet for the caution. and so yes, he turned him into oncoming traffic and so you know Carson's going to be part of the Cup series for a very long time

but sometimes you need a sit down to say you know we're not going to put up with this and usually it happens things like this happen through self-policing right other drivers like Harrison Burton which he'll go in the next few weeks and he'll knock Carson up the racetracker

or he'll spin him out and you know self-police is that way but the series itself they do not when the caution is out the caution is out that means stop all the bulls right no matter what and so um i think that uh they'll definitely uh look at it and my guess is they'll do something we say stop all the bull that's including bumping into the guys like where's the line yeah i mean i think it's when you wreck someone under under caution it's wrecking someone under caution It's, you know, when the caution came out at Texas and William Byron sent me through the infield, and again, he didn't send me through traffic. And he admitted, you know, it was an accident.

I didn't mean to hit him that hard. I think that that's what they don't like. I think that, you know, people make contact under caution all the time. You know, you run up there and you bump someone in the rear and say, hey, what the hell? And that's what I was doing and certainly felt very much in control. Question for both of you. Is this the worst race that you didn't win in recent? memory?

Like, you come down here this morning feeling like more than you have ever before in recent memory? Well, I mean, yeah, I think back to Vegas. It's been a minute. Well, darling, yeah, I'm going to stop thinking about it. They'll add up. They do add up because I can name three or four that just right off the bat where I'm leading with two to go and the caution comes out.

And then for whatever reasons, it doesn't happen. So, I mean, yeah. stage one it was I was leading the race Justin Haley ran me kind of whatever but you know I understand like I get it I wasn't was I frustrated yes you know because he was kind of blocking me but he was trying desperately not to go too down and so I understood it was early enough in the race where you know I knew it was nothing egregious from Justin Haley like you He wasn't doing it because he was trying to be a dick. He was just trying to salvage his race at that point.

But, yeah, you know, every instance is definitely different. But, yeah, I certainly felt like, you know, we never got passed for the lead that we weren't in this, you know, in this weird situation like the Haley situation. I felt confident that if we had been in control the race, we would have led a lot of the race. but I felt very good with our car and it showed kind of on that long last run. We battled back from, I think we restarted seventh and took the lead with four or five to go. Do you feel like you had the best car better than Bell all day? Yes, I do. Because you usually can tell by like, can you just continue to stay on the bumper of the car in front?

Usually if you got the best car, when you're out front, you'll then pull away, right? So you usually can tell by, you know, where's the gaps, you know, and when you got a car just continuing to run right behind. And I thought his car was very, very good. Don't, you know, when I say our car, I thought our car was the best. It was probably the best by a little bit. But what I also based that off of is that we were able to pass cars in traffic. When we did go to the back, I think I went back to 18th under green conditions at one point.

we then battled back, you know, drove back to six, then went from six to first on that last run. So, you know, to me, you always need to be outrunning. We talk about this. Fast cars outrun the position they're in. Their lap times are faster than their position. Anyone's going to be fast out front. Like the 51 was in front of me. I couldn't pass. I mean, you know, certainly wasn't a contender, but can you outrun the lap time of your position? And I felt like that's what we did all day. another incident we didn't talk about i'm going back through my notes here is when kyle restarted behind you you were between him and him and joey and he pushed you up the track into joey or however that ever however that incident happened well joey was johy was pissed at me right and so i

text joey during the break and was like bud like get your facts straight i i'm i'm getting i got jammed into you and he's like have you looked at smt and then I quickly going on an SMT to try to figure this out. And I'm like, okay, I lifted before you. So he was like, well, you know, because then the team tried to explain to him. His spotter says, hey, Joey, I know the 11 was pushing you, but you got ping ponged up the track because of the five. And he's like, oh, I don't buy it.

Like, I had a hand in this too, though, I think. I forced a three wide. You got the five. Yeah. It's just, it's a product of what happens. And so when guards are on four tires and racing. I tried to explain to Joey. I said, hey, I was trying to do you a favor and not split you three wide because I knew he was on older shit anyway.

So I was like, all right, I'm going here. And then I'll pass you once we get to the corner. And I started, I lifted before Joey, by the way, in the SFT day. I lifted before him, but as soon as I lifted, I got nailed. And it nailed me into the five, the five drove into me and knocked both of us up the track. So it's, these things happen. Like, you know, again, we're in a cocoon. And Joey doesn't want to hear it.

You know, he just knows that I got knocked up the track. Who was it? It's the 11. You. You know, so, you know, but it's, you know, hopefully he feels a lot better now because he just probably doesn't even remember. He backed into this, this one for sure. But, you know, it's, it's just part of it.

And, you know, it, he was just an innocent victim of the five overdriving into the corner into me. So how did the conversation? text conversation end. Well, he responded quickly by saying, you, look at the SMT. I'm like, okay, I don't go look at it.

I was like, have you looked? And I says, no, but I can tell you, I was in the middle of you. So I know when I was hitting you and when I got hit. So I'll go back and look at it, but certainly I can tell you that I started to release off of you

and I got pummeled into the corner. So I don't need, I was in there. I was there. I was there. I was there. So it all worked out for him. He had a great day. And it up 12th. We switched positions. Tyler, how do you feel about this season as a whole? Up to fourth in points now? Oh, really? Well, that's good. I'm trying to get trying to do some, I mean, I think when you look at it just with how the day unfolded with the overtime attempts. I think we got 51 points out of it. I think I think we probably scored the most points. I would imagine. I think we were in third, second, and then third at the end.

So, I mean, it was a good point to stay all things considered. I mean, we've been doing a better job of staying in the mix all day long and not letting little things derail us. But, I mean, the way it was looking, unfortunately, but before the overtime attempts, you know, I felt like we had a car that could tend with the 20 with the 11 in that same conversation. And just, whether it was the adjustment,

We missed or, you know, it was truly something with the tire. We just, you know, it was just, it just slipped away in stage three. And over the season that hasn't plagued us as bad, but it still comes into the picture every now and again. And it's frustrating, right, when you feel like you got a car that can contend for the win and when the race falls a certain way, right? Like I saw you drive back up to the lead. It's like we should have been in that conversation.

So, yeah, it's been a little bit frustrating. but I mean surprisingly I think we've got the most top tens on about top fives we've we've led more laps than last year our pick crew's been improving we've been getting more consistent there we're really solid on the intermediate style tracks this one was just flat enough where I feel like we had a couple hiccups but we're building in the right direction I think for me I just damn it's tough to let let wins get away that's just the thing that that you know sticks with me more than anything and I know it sticks with with my team as well as well and I think for me I just for sure. Yeah, and that's what I love about Tyler is what I really liked about him when I was recruiting him years and years ago is that Tyler wants to win, right? And to see that he's not happy with a third place finish. I mean, that's as a co-owner. That's what you want, right? It's guys that are really, really caring about winning, winning for their team. And I know you're really close with your team and you've been a great teammate to Bubba. And so I definitely feel like, you know, it's amazing. You look at the standings and I think you're only like 50-some

backs. It's like, and you can ring off many things of like so much that got left on the table, right? I mean, and everyone, and everyone has those stories, but, you know, you know, from your perspective, it always seems so much worse, right? And so, um, it, you know, I think the 45 team's been doing great. Uh, there's still a little to be desired on the short tracks, uh, for sure. We got to improve there. Phoenix was promising, but it's certainly, it's got away a little bit. Yeah. So I think that, you know, I've seen a steady progression out of them.

And certainly when you look at their points position, points scored versus last year, they're certainly improved. I'd say that, you know, from my perspective, I think of, you know, probably at least three, at least legitimately three wins that the team should have. You know, how do you not have crazy circumstances? happen. So, I mean, that's a good number. Still a lot of racing left, right? And, you know, Tyler's one of the hardest working guys in the garage as far as I'm concerned. He works hard on his craft, and I'm really excited to see where this team goes in the future.

Well, you just mentioned Bubba, and that was another major factor in my dejection after the race is that I knew the position there's. and they're battling the 22 and I need to win for myself but yeah as a teammate it was really on me as well to get up there and not let the not let the 22 go to victory lane so yeah that was just tough I mean I know there I know that team is is better than where they're running and I know they're going to figure it out and find it just certainly with the 22 stealing one in the way that they did just makes that that yeah no doubt yeah I mean they ended up having a decent finish. I think that the 23 kind of lost some pace there around stage two or three. You know, Corey Himes showed some good speed. I think he was running 12th when the first,

you know, he was going to finish 12th before all the chaos happened, which is, you know, really good in his third or fourth start. So, you know, we were certainly happy with what we saw. I've certainly been challenged in 2311 on speed. Like we've got to get faster, got to get faster. and so I think that, you know, I saw some good things from the overall team this weekend that hopefully we can carry on. And we're going to a road course, right? Chicago and you should be in a mix. I forget that we're going to Chicago. I know.

With everything happened yesterday. I know. So one of my most, you know, tuckered tail between your legs moments was last year at Chicago on the start of the race. I had no idea. I had no idea how deep, I'm controlling the race. I didn't either. I know, but like, how can you take that kind of risk? It's lap one, corner one, and you just blew by me.

And Gabe Hart was like, Denny, he's willing to crash. First corner, first lap, and you're not. I mean, what do you want me to say? I, you know, I just had a feeling you were going to be, you're going to be smart about it. You weren't going to take the risk. And I just saw a great opportunity to just go look. little bit further. And I mean, it, and unfortunately, we had the caution right away, right? I think I'd gotten out like a five second lead. I had, would have had plenty of time to respond. Christopher was

obviously a little bit better found a way to go a little bit faster. I would have had plenty of time to respond. I wanted to try and get a gap and then have the team, give myself in the team time to, okay, the 20 or whoever it would have been is making up time here and there and react so I could have held the lead. But that was a funny moment for sure. I knew we were going single file. What was crazy is that they're calling it out how far he's back and he's like seven or eight carlinks back down the front straightaway and I'm like oh good I can I can really take this easy here yeah and roll right around me and he was gone in a flash was that one of the many road courses last year where he taught you how to sit on the pole well talk talk about tuck your tail between your legs

like every freaking almost every time we went to the road course last year you know I'd you're right behind me, I would think, in the, in the queue, and I'd lay down the lap, they say P1, and I get all excited, and like two seconds later, Danny beat you by 200s, 300s, and yeah, that was, those were tough moments for me, because, you know, as a driver, it's like, damn. Well, it's, Tyler took me to school. There's been plenty of teaching moments that we've had, you know, when we've bounced so much back and forth. I think we've learned quite a lot from each other. I certainly noticed some things when we were racing each other that you were implementing when it came to, you know, things that we discussed and passing.

So it's, it's fun to kind of see how that all evolves because that's what you want out of teammates, right? It's someone to push you to learn better, right? And certainly you've been the barometer of the Toyota cars, you know, when you came in, you had the most speed. And I just was like, you know, I probably had the, you know, one of the slowest speeds. And I just, my crew, you said, you know, for a while that. listen, we're just going to run whatever they've got and you're going to have to figure it out.

Like if you can get within a half a second of him per lap, I'll then tune the car to whatever you want, but until you can get within a half a second, I'm not, you're going to run what he has. Because otherwise, how are you going to learn, right? How am I supposed to look at data and see what you're doing if I can't, you know, if I don't have the same car? So I think that was a good, useful tool for us. And certainly we've paid it back. Yeah, it's been short tracks.

It's been huge help for me there. Yep. And so we've all made each other better. And, you know, again, it's, I think the 45 is a team that's going to contend when we get down to these playoffs and all these tracks that matter. You'll now officially have Chase Briscoe joining the Toyota Fold next year. Does he make your team better in a specific way? Like you just talked about Tyler making. He's already on the wall.

Yeah. Is that your only teammate on the wall? Another race. Yeah, right? that it should have won. And I got taken out by a car that was black flag. Damn it. No, I think that Chase has a very good skill set.

Certainly at some tracks, he really excels really well. And I'll be excited to compare myself when he's in the same car. So I do think that he will bring something to the table. Always unique perspectives from a driver that has been at another organization, you know, another manufacturer, all that will be intriguing as he comes into our meetings next year. Looking at the bracket challenge. Tyler, you had to beat Stenhouse, Bell, Larson, Chastain, and Elliott.

Quite possibly one of the most difficult roads to the championship. Yeah, it was tricky. I mean, obviously, I think, well, what's crazy, I mean, the whole way through we had some sort of a clash or, you know, you know, I wouldn't say clash, but I was around those guys at some point in the race or having potentially race-altering moments with those drivers. I think it gateway me and Stenhouse had ended up towards the back just through strategy and me, him and Byron got collected, and Stenhouse and Byron were nose-to-nose,

and my tail was wedged in between their two, or my nose was wedged in between their two back bumpers. I mean, we about wrecked off a four at Gateway there. So, I mean, a lot of the way to the, to winning this thing, I had some moments with a lot of these drivers. I mean, Sonoma, me and Bell were nose to tail. You know, I was hanging on for dear life. I was on the plane watching time and his scoring, and I, I was watching that. You know, hanging around that 9th, 10th spot. Iowa, I got a, I got a blessing there.

I mean, I had no business that day beating Larson and just, it just, you know, an upset happened, right? but that's why I think it's going to be so impossible to nail all these things. Yeah. Like, let's just pretend this was the first round of the bracket challenge, right? Like, the field entirely flipped. With two laps ago. The whole thing on his head. I was thinking that when I, you know, I heard Chase didn't think about it one single bit,

but I've had fun thinking about it and taking it seriously knowing what's coming next year. And yeah, we were ahead of the next year. nine most of the day. We had a couple restarts for a nose of tail and a new, just, I mean, Chase is aggressive on restart. So I knew I was going to have to work hard to keep behind me. And we had the caution with two to go. I'm like, well, there it goes. I just lost the bracket because my right front tires corded and then he ran out of fuel. So I mean, I was in control. It was done. I'd won it. And then two to go, I lost it. And up until when he ran out of gas on one of the restarts, one of the overtime attempts, I mean, he had it in the bag. So it, it, yeah, if it had

if TV was giving it any attention, it would have been really exciting for sure. So next year, certainly drivers will be thinking about their matchups during their race. Especially, yeah, but the money involved. Do we have like a Tumblr or something for Reddick? So you can at least leave here with something? Again, let me go in your closet and just pick out a, you were, you were nines, right? No, sir. I thought you did.

A little bigger than that. Nine and a half? A little bigger than that. What size? I think I can, I can make it work. Can I go in the closet and just pick out a pair of like? Absolutely. Okay, sweet.

There's about 100 in the closet and then 450 more down here in the basement. Trust me. Yeah. Okay, we can go to the boxes. So this is going to be a hot topic this week. I've already seen it. Just want to know what your feel is on unlimited grew my checkers. I mean, we only, it happened, you know, it was five, right?

So it was the most we've ever had. So do you think that we just kind of let this thing just? just keep going. Man, I... Do you limit them? I feel like just based on the situation with where everyone was on fuel, that's why we had so many just from cars running out of gas. Yeah.

In the, um, it coming to the start finish line. I don't know. I mean, it was just a perfect storm. I feel like most of the time, I mean, we've had overtime unlimited attempts for years and years now, right? And the most we've seen is like two or three. So I think it was just an oddity in the, in the, in the, in the time, you know, in the time. the stats, right? I mean, it just was a perfect storm for everyone to have just a lot of,

a lot of caution. So I don't know, maybe they think about, I mean, I'm sure they're going to have a lot to think about, right? Is there a way that we can save, you know, the guys that are close on their windows some fuel? Wouldn't we get in this situation? Is there, you know, do we stop the field and reorder it so we don't burn three or four or five laps of caution and fuel? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you do. Yeah, I don't know. It's either you have green white unlimited green white checkers or you don't i know that for a while we had i think three attempts three attempts um i could have lived with three attempts i mean can't you do that can't you stop the cars under caution like they really saves you much fuel though i don't know yeah they still have

i mean i guess if there's a wreck there you know there was a big pile up on the back stretch there was multiple cars down there that needed towing and all that like yeah we probably burn a lap and a half two laps because they got to clean that up. The rest of the time that you've got to allow for cars to pit, right? So you're going to have the quickie cautions. You got to have your choose, all those things. So you're going to have at least a minimum of two laps. That's just a bare minimum.

That's if you opened up pit road first time by. You can't do that. They don't do that because usually the pace cars and got it. So that's three laps at minimum each caution is going to be. Add it all up. Next thing you know you have six, seven lap cautions. and you have cars running out. But it's, yeah, I could go either way, right?

I feel like essentially if, you know, hey, it's not going to change, you know, it's just a part of that gamble you take on your last pit stop. Do you, how tight do you push it? Do you leave yourself no room at all? Do you try and give yourself that lap and a half, two laps extra fuel forward, you know, an overtime attempt over your run? I mean, it's kind of in the hands of the teams and the crew chiefs. You know, how aggressive do you want to be?

be filling your car up that last time. Yeah. Yeah, we're all trying to, I mean, when we pit, right, usually at these racetracks, they're trying to put in whatever fuel would get us to the end and a green white checkered, right? It's, it's, no one's going to give up time to say, all right, I'm going to plan for five green white checkers, right? I mean, we've seen, we've seen teams and drivers quite literally their whole strategy is based around having a couple cautions. Yes. They're short. They don't, they won't make it. They won't make it at all. Right. Yeah. the 12, you know, did the same thing.

You know, I don't know what he meant to, but he stayed out there when we were all close to a fuel window, and he was like, well, no, I'm just going to. We saw cars at Gateway implement that, and then it paid off. It's been paying off to do that. Yeah, and the reward is worth it. And you can take those risks when you're running not so great.

Yeah, right? That's the tough part about it, is if you got a car like you had yesterday, in contention to win on speed outright without any novelties happening like you're not going to put yourself in a strategy spot that's going to risk taking a fast car and finishing bad with it but the people that are in the back running 25th you have nothing to lose I was the beneficiary of this uh during Kansas I think um I was leading the race and went had had uh had to come in for Pitt and you know next thing no we took I'm sorry yeah we we were running out of gas we needed to take fuel we got a few bad restarts so we just came and kept topping the car off we're at

the tail and lead lap next thing you know you know it recycles a few cautions come out we cycle right back to the front so when you have a not so good car and it opens up options because you're willing to take the risk because there's way too much to gain and nothing to lose I want to give a shout out to Marty B. 2021. Here's his bracket. A near perfect bracket, by the way. He missed only five picks. He missed the...

Huh? Oh, he or she. We don't know of sure. He met... They missed... True X at Austin Dillon at Gateway, which was, you know, I'm sure everyone missed that pick. Okay, hold on. What's the first miss?

True X, Austin Dillon at Gateway. Not his fault. not his fault he missed that one Bubba Cindrick at Gateway he could have predicted this one better yep Cindrick has been historically good at Gateway Bowman and John Hunter

at Gateway not his fault and then the only other one was he picked you to beat Brad at Iowa and we know how that went not well okay I mean that's pretty stout I mean

to and you could only fill out one, right? Per email? Per email, yeah. Was there a Marty D. 2020 and the 2019? Is Marty, well, is Marty spelled with an I or why? Aye. Oh, that's why you said, we don't know.

Well, Marty, whoever you are, congratulations. The Dirty Moe Media team will be in contact and get you your prizes. That's pretty impressive. Next year, hopefully the fans get a big reward if they get a, get the best bracket so um glad we were able to chip in and nascar kind of take this deal over and uh you know i thought it was a huge success thank the whole dirty mo team mike davis and all for for taking this and putting the time into it to uh uh keep improving it and so you know we're gonna hopefully give something back to the drivers here next year and when you win it next year it'll pay for

you know the win that you had this year yeah that'd be good you usually have have like a dear denny segment at this point and we don't have one in here but tyler i kind of just want to open the floor to you is there anything that you want to ask denny like literally anything hmm do you get lost in this house no i know where i'm at is is it offensive to even call it a house what would you know it is a house okay i didn't know if it was like i actually use i use all of this house ex the only thing that was was excessive. The only?

Oh, no. The only thing that was excessive that I really don't use that much is the bowling alley. But I had the space for it. It was actually supposed to be unused, just more storage space. And I was like, man, that kind of looks like a, when I saw the plans, I'm like, that looks like a bowling alley. And so I just was like, all right, screw it. Let's finish that space off and put a bowling alley in there.

But everywhere else I use, like for my kids and the dogs, like to get their energy out, you just put them downstairs in the gym and let them run around. And they have go-kart races and can play basketball and all that stuff. It's great. Just let them wear themselves out. The pool gets used. Everything gets used. The Man Cave gets used for movie night, golf simulator, racing simulator. You know what I find fascinating about this house is that while it's like a million square feet, there's not that many rooms.

rooms. I know. There's only like 10 rooms. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, each room is like

100,000 square feet, but there's not that many rooms. Stop. Stop it. That's, I mean, you got to get through like three security guards.

You got to flash your ID a bunch of times. Yeah, it's high security. Don't be trying to come up in here. You're going to find trouble. Larson fans. I remember,

I remember the first time I came over here. you know it's like you know i grew up in small town in new jersey right and if someone came over the house you like this is where jerry comes into his humble beginning you're like go ahead i walk up to the front door subway jared you ring the doorbell you know someone comes to the door it was like back it was a hoop group night and i like pulled in parked it's like i guess i should like walk up to the front door ring it daniel answer you know welcome me in not how it works whatsoever you pretty much just let yourself in and then you know we find you at that point pretty much yeah there's been many mornings where i walk in and say what are you doing here he's sitting at the

kitchen table jerry what are you doing here uh i thought we were shooting some content exactly that's exactly how that goes happened just last week you came home from 23 11 like 7 o'clock yeah what is jared doing here what time to jordan tell you to get here was that for the Father's Day thing? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hate seeing Jared's car in my driveway. It means I've got to do something.

I've got to do something. Damn it. All right, well, Tyler, thank you for coming on. We appreciate it. Congratulations on winning nothing. But at least you got a good day out of it. Yeah, thank you. We will see you guys after Chicago.

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