Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - No Question, Joey Would Have Shipped Him

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

It’s a loaded week in racing, and Denny Hamlin and co-host Jared Allen are all in. From reacting to the All-Star Race to previewing the Indy 500 and Coke 600 — this episode covers everything. 1:30 Jared will also be doing the double on Sunday with the Indy 500 & Coke 6007:15 Denny has a full schedule this week with golf, basketball along with racing10:30 What went wrong with the 11 car this weekend20:50 Why Kyle Larson was able to start at the back and get to the front22:50 Joey Logano wasn’t happy with the Promoters Caution or Christopher Bell26:30 Denny defends the 22 team’s decision to not pit33:30 Should North Wilkesboro get a points-paying race?37:30 Corey Heim not happy with Layne Riggs Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Actions Detrimental merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.For more Actions Detrimental content: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimental FanDuel Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Did nobody speak up during any of these races and be like, hey, guys, can't see it. No. I thought it. But I just said, I'm aware of it now, and I'll let somebody else f*** up. Never interrupt your competition while they're making a mistake. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. I believe that I've been a competitive view for 20 years. Opinions from tonight's podcast, strictly biased.

You're going to hear from my point of view. I'm a fighter. No, you are not. The spoils a victory for Jared Allen. He's got better luck to drink and drink to win. I know, you do. Two trophies missing from your collection. A championship and the most popular driver.

Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yeah, and I've already said it. Hey guys, welcome to actions detrimental. I'm Denny Hamlin, your host. We are post-all-Star weekend at North Worksboro Speedway. coming off the start of Jared's double. The JA 900. I like that.

Because I probably will miss the first stage of the cup race. Oh, really? So we've got to subtract 200 miles. Well, why are you going to miss it? Why is that? Well, I'm not going to be on the same flight as Kyle coming back here. Oh, really? No.

Are you on the second string plane? Second string plane. Oof. Come on, guys. Get Jared on the first. Wow. Who's on the P1? Well, I'd imagine

Jeff Gordon, Rick Hendrick, probably. Kyle's got a documentary crew with him, so I assume that they're on that flight. Gotcha. It's about, it's not about the plane, it's about the helicopter out of Indy to get to the airport. And the helicopter only holds to many people.

You know this. You're kind of in the middle of it. How do you feel like the hype's been relative to the first year? it's been different it's not it hasn't been it hasn't been the same but I still think it's as I don't know I think maybe it'll like

pick up next week this whole week has felt different with with IndyCar you know with all the changes that they've made to the car it seemed like qualifying practice when I felt so much sketchier for these drivers with all the wrecks it has I mean from from a specter's

point of view i'm certainly you know with them crashing i don't want to i don't want anyone to get hurt for sure i'm in the business so i understand uh but it's made it more compelling to watch for me because i know that the cars are on edge more um you don't know what you're going to see is the person are they going to have to lift or not i think when it it's an easy wide open and it's just all about you know how slick can your team make your car uh if you're part of the pit of the Finsky team tears, appears you've made your car a little too slick. It's compelling from that standpoint. And then obviously we had an upset new team, new driver on Ovales,

when the poll for the Indy 500, right? Yeah. You know, good compelling stories. Yeah, I think when it comes to Kyle, like he proved last year, like he's capable of doing this. Whereas last year, you know, going into it, like, oh, can he even do it? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with all that. certainly and he's going to have his work cut out for him um does he have an official starting spot yet 21st 21st okay uh where did he start last year in the top 12 right or top six yeah i think it was six or seven yeah yeah so i mean he's going to get plenty of experience and he's got stuff to lean on from last year to to um you know better his craft and it seems like you know man i wonder if the sketchiness goes into does it go into the race as well i guess i don't think so it doesn't right it's just no because we'll listen to the tarant i'm not going to pretend like i know anything about indy car but listen i don't either which is why i'm asking you listen to the tear it's bad yeah jeff said that uh for qualifying

they give them a hundred extra horsepower so in qualifying they're running significantly faster 235 233 and then in the race they're running 220 but i asked kyle i was like sitting in the bus watching qualifying with them. I was like, you know, the announcers, the broadcasters, like, making a big deal like, oh, 233, you know, like when someone hits like a high miles of power and is like, is that really, like, does it feel any different than 220? Like, are you, like, do you feel a difference? Yeah, I mean, when you're going those kinds of speeds, I wouldn't say that it feels a lot different, but you, what people don't understand about racing itself, right, is they see cars that are just stuck to the racetrack.

they don't know is that that tire's on the edge of busting loose at any moment. It could be the front, it could be the rear. All the drivers are pushing the capability of the tire grip to the track at all times. And so that one extra mile per hour could be the, you know, the extra 50 pounds of load in the right front tire that causes it to, you know, to break traction and then slip, right, or the right rear. So it's, yeah, you're on pins and needles. And I just, I think some of it, two was there's like a hundred extra pounds of weight in the car this year. I'm not sure if that's in the race as well or is that just a qualifying thing. I think it's in the race as well. Anyway, you know, we wish him luck on that. Hopefully he does does well. I think he did phenomenal

last year in the race. Do we wish him luck or do we hope that he doesn't make it to Charlotte in time? No, we like to race straight up. So you do. I think hopefully the weather will cooperate. It was, you know, last year was just the worst case scenario for really everyone involved, right? I mean, you felt bad for everyone, the teams that put a lot of work in it. Kyle to have to kind of make that kind of decision or whoever made the decision. And obviously, NASCAR changed the rules in the office.

and to, you know, to kind of address that to make sure you didn't have a confused mind. Right. And it's good for NASCAR because there's going to be a percentage of fans watching the Indy 500 who are then going to tune into the Kokesick 100 to just at least see Kyle start the race. And then that's where hopefully the product on track is compelling enough to those new people tuning in to keep them for the length of the Kokesick Center. Yeah, well, I mean, the, The Charlotte racetrack has been one that's been very good for this next-gen car. It's a multi-lane race track.

Any, you know, any tracks that we have that are multi-lane, the racing is always significantly better. But, yeah, I think so. It's a great opportunity to showcase, you know, the racing right here in our backyard in Charlotte. And obviously, it's a huge, you know, it's one of the majors for us in NASCAR. Charlie has, or Charlie, Travis, but a Charlie's involved. has on our show sheet here a smoke show win and Denny made two three

so I guess that that's noteworthy I don't it's I have to issue I gave you a lot of shit for when you were missing some threes so I just you know figured for the other game that you went to yeah this time I went to it and I think you were two for three

and clutch three so I just you know give you your flowers well I appreciate that thank you we are in the finals for hoop group this week this is a big big week the team that we will be facing is the outlaws headed up by Michael Ransom and they had the balls to make a outlaws against the world flag and fly it in front of us after the game when they beat us in the regular season.

How do you how do you juggle this? You have a crown jewel race on Sunday and then a hoop group championship on Thursday. I have a golf guys tournament on Tuesday as well. That's a regular season, golf guys. of it. I mean, it's still, I mean, the golf takes up more time than the basketball does. The basketball is an hour, right? On a Thursday evening. I don't know, Charlotte's always a busy week. It just always is. Also have another child do in the next 10, 11, 12 days kind of in that range. So trying to get all these things done before the baby comes. And, that way we have a little more time at home. But I don't know, Charlotte Week, I don't prepare for it any differently than I do any other race. It's just another race. It's very similar to majors and golf tournaments, right? The format is the same. You still got three rounds. You still have a cut,

things like that. But it's, it just means more, right? You know, you are going against the same competition where, you know, majors in golf, you have, you know, the fields isolated to the qualifying factors are a little different. So it's just 600 miles around that track. 400 laps is a long, long, long time. So, you know, we're going to go through some track changes with it being from day to night. There's some versatility you got to have. It's a big test on the pit crew. There's going to be tons of pit stops. It tests. It tests. you in every single way. And certainly, um, it's, it's, we've seen some fuel mileage races there. We've seen some great finishes, last lap passes. Um, it pretty much has it all, which is while we're all

kind of a big fan of the Charlotte Oval. Are you worried at all that the struggles of the 11 team, the last three weeks could carry over into this event? Well, the mechanical stuff, you can't be worried about carrying over like that's, you know, you just do what you're, um, able to do as a driver, right? I can't, you know, the mechanical stuff is something that, you know, I can't control. And the last two weeks, we had that. And then, um, the qualifying race, um, if you didn't watch it, we were, um, I think if it would have gone more than 40 laps green, we would have gone a lap down. Um, but we were, we were the worst car by, by a long way. And, you know, to oversimplify it, um, we just miscarriage.

on our adjustments overnight. We didn't miss it. We literally missed a decimal point. When it comes to like measuring things and here's the adjustment needs to be made, just to simplify it, I can only tell you that

what would they call it on office space? A Monday detail. You've never seen office space? No. Oh my God. Oh, Jared. Office space, you've never seen all this space? Mm-mm.

Remember when they were taken? A mundane detail? No. Oh, I just Google office space. Oh, well, this is not a mundane detail. It was basically what was happening is they were cheating their company. They were taking pennies off of every transaction that the bank was making or whatever. And they created this floppy disk.

to essentially put a bug in the system to where like fractions of a penny got put into a separate account that they had a control of the account but anyway, somehow in the process of them creating this bug they moved a decimal point one spot to the wrong way and they were taking pennies per transaction

instead of fractions of a penny. So after like a week they had like hundreds of thousands is dollars and they're like, holy shit, the company's going to notice that, you know, that much money is missing. Like, what are we going to do? You don't remember the guy with the stapler? I mean, I've seen the GIF with about 10 laps to go in the qualifying race. I said, can't we just come in and pit and try to fix it? And they said, we can't fix it. We know what happened. We can't fix it. Not until we get overnight. But that was on. That was on Saturday.

So you're supposedly fixed it. But now you're like back to where you should be. Yeah, we didn't have that, we didn't have that, you know, how many lapses is that race? 60 or 75? I don't know. We didn't have that practice that everyone else had. I don't, I still don't, I believe that we should have still shown up closer than what we did. We just, we missed it.

You know, it was so interesting. It's funny how the world and the universe kind of works because I was thinking this week, I was like, if everything can just stay together and like I don't have mechanical issues, I don't have, you know, just something out of whack. Like, running top five is the easiest thing in the world. I can't remember the last time I had speed legitimately out of the top five. And then this week happened. And it was like, oh, the world just needed to give me a reminder, you know, the old humbling reminder that this is not as easy as it seems, right?

And so, yeah, it was just one of those, I can't remember the last time. It had been a while where, and we had fixed the issue from the day before. but our balance was just not there at all. We couldn't get on the right side of it. I don't think there was any adjustments that Chris and the team could have done on any pit stops to fix it. We were just stuck in a box from kind of how we unloaded. And, you know, we needed to show up a little bit better, but we didn't. And it's just, it's good that it comes in a non-points race.

you know, if we go back there next year for an All-Star or anything else, then we'll be ready. And just put Christopher Bell's set up in the car? You know, things seem that easy, but they're not. Like everyone, everyone who tuned into this race, who I know, who's fairly new to the sport, was asking, like, how could Christopher Bell win the race, but then, you know, another JGR car finish? Right. Towards the rear. Or run at the rear.

Yep. But so there's a lot of factors in it. And you wouldn't believe. So I swore I was going to make this a very, very short podcast. But so because he qualified well, he always was up towards the front. And there's a massive, massive difference between running in the top four to five the entire time in somewhat clean air versus being 20th where I was. Now again, I expect enough out of my car to, be able to pass. I couldn't pass anyone. I was mostly in the way of 18th, wherever I was at for most of the day. But I always believe, you know, your speed should always outrun your position.

So if you think about how clean air works, right, that the fastest car on the racetrack should be the leader, because they have the most grip pushing down, most air pushing down on their car and making grip. As you get to second, you have, that car should have, you know, if this is a somewhat, even if it's a multi-lane track, you're still getting awake of some sort. The second place car will have a little bit slower.

Third, a little slower. So by the time you get to 20th, the air is so disturbed. You essentially have no grip pushing down on your car, and you're relying totally on mechanical grip at that point. so if you put C. Bell back there where I was, does he go through the field? I doubt it. I really do doubt it. Now, do you, when you put me up towards the front where he's at, do I perform as good as he does? I also doubt that because I just, even when the field got strung out, my times wasn't, it wasn't competitive to those that were, you know, usually the band gets good. going right and everyone gets spread out equally, that's when the cars you can start to see, well, who's got speed in traffic? Because now everyone's in traffic. We never had that. But it's, it still doesn't mean that you can just, you put him in my place, mine in his place, or his setup in my car and I'm just going to drive to the front. It doesn't work that way.

The cars are too equal. And anyone that saw, you know, Fox is actually putting lap times up on their ticker, everyone's running within a tenth and a half. I mean, everyone is running the same time within a tenth to a tenth and a half. It just kind of depends on whether you have clean track or what line you're running. Your lap times just don't vary that much at that track. And certainly, this tire for whatever, I think they hardened up the left side tire from what we had last year. It had nowhere on it. I think the total fall off over a course of a 60, 80 laps was like two and a half tenths.

And you're just not going to get a ton of passing in that instance. And so you're going to have to be really exceptional with car speed and then be really exceptional with being able to maneuver around and run the same lap speed. And I didn't have any of those things, which is why we were. my word usually in the JGR meetings is pedestrian when you're very average but we weren't even pedestrian yeah so when you start in the back you got to have something in your car that can prevail you yeah i always i always see i always look at it is my lap time outperforming my position so if i'm running 20th is am i able to run faster than 20th place times if that is the case

then I'm doing well. If I'm running fifth, am I running top three times? Then that's how you can tell, that's how I tell whether someone is really good or not. You can always put a 20th place car up front and they're going to be fast. But can you,

do you know that in the car? Nothing is my pet peeve more than, oh, if we just had track position, we would have been fine. Well, no, shit. Everyone would be fine if you had track position. Can you be the person that outruns your, your position. That's, that's the one that you really look at. Do you know how well you're running

relative to the rest of the field when you're in the car each lap? Like you know your lap time, but yeah, can, I can just see. Um, you know, some of it's a yo-yo, like there was be three or four cars in front of me. I'd catch them and then they'd get strung out and they'd pull away and then I'd catch them. Like, it just was a yo-yo back and forth. Um, you know, you, you run fast until you get close to them and then your car loses a bunch of air and then you're just sliding all over the place. So I can, I always go off a feel versus actual lap time. I, I don't care about lap times that much, even in practice on a weekly basis. I, I could give two sh** about actual lap time unless, unless I'm saying my car is perfect, everything is great, but holy shit, why am I 25th fastest?

like then I'll start to investigate okay is there something up I need to be looking for but mostly it's I've been to these tracks so many times that I know the feel that I need to have in it to be able to be good in traffic be good in clean air be fast when when I need to and I just search for that week after week and most most weeks I have it this week we didn't Kyle Larson was one of those cars that was able to go from and started right around you to the front And then ultimately, I mean, do you want to talk about that for a second? Is that true what you're saying there? Well, he passed 10 cars and then two tires stop.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Because he was kind of, I mean, I was in the trunk. But he was always about four cars in front of me the entire time. Seemed to struggle a little bit. But then their big mark was when they stayed out and got the track position. And then he was able to make really good time on the top. And then ultimately he busted his ass up and turns one and two trying to push the groove up. But yeah, it was, I didn't, I didn't know that anyone really made it from the back to the front.

No, not all the way from the back to the front, but close enough to the front that then you could employ some strategy to gain the rest of that track position. Yeah, that was the key. And is if you could get yourself somewhere in that top five or six, then you can be the first on whatever the, all, alternate strategy is, right? It's okay, if the top five pit, we're staying out. So now we're going to be the first of the staying out cars. Or if the top four or five pit or or stay, we're going to pit and we're going to drag everybody with us. So yeah, that's a very key spot. It seems like in this race is being in that four to seven range where you can be the front of whatever that alternate strategy is. Yeah. The summary of Larson's night started 23rd, drove into the top 10 on

the Green Flag made a two-tire call. Larson took the lead and then was able to hold on to third until hitting the wall, which coincided with this promoter's caution. Hey, it's Dale Jr. Did you know that we've got brand new merch from our Star, Stripes, and Bears Collection available now? We've got tanks, teas, beach towels, and more just in time for summer. Check it all out at shop.dirtymomedia.com.

Yeah, I mean, it's not new news. I think it was, I think new news to Joey, apparently he didn't know. that that that was a thing in his post race. He seemed very shocked. Yeah, he needed to have a few words with Marcus Smith, as if Marcus Smith or Michael Walter

was throwing the caution because Joey was leading the race. I don't know. That was an odd interview. I listened to it, and I don't know, I just didn't know how to take it because it was like,

I was listening to Joey, and I was like, it made it sound like the 20 just wiped them out or something. And then, and he was all pissed saying, oh, I would have wrecked him had I got back to him. I was like, what? It just was, the whole thing was odd. And it was, I could, I don't know, I just felt like he was raging on the inside. It was just, it was odd to me. Yeah, watching the race from my perspective on TV,

at the pit box, you know, when Christopher Bell catches him for the first time and isn't able to get around him, I'm thinking, okay, well, Joey's kind of running him the same way that Christopher ran him. So now, if I'm Christopher, next time I get to him, I'm going to run him much harder. Well, they kept saying it on TV. Like, Joey, you're giving him a pass to now use you up. Like, you've crowded him low, you've crowded him high. I mean, I don't know. I just didn't see. and again, we got to give a little bit of the benefit of the doubt because he's fresh out of the car. He hasn't gone back and watched the race. He didn't know how close this angle was or that angle was.

And maybe he didn't know that he crowded C. Bell up into the fence, you know, a couple laps before. So like, you got to give the drivers a little bit of grace because they are just fresh out of the car and they haven't seen it all. Yeah, but as a driver, don't you. you're aware of like if you're in Lugano's spot, you would understand that like Bell didn't do anything bad, right? So like I don't get how he reacted that way. Especially in an exhibition all-star race that, you know, it's not points race.

He didn't wreck you. It didn't cause you to have a bad finish. Any of those. I know only winning matters in this particular race. But I just, it didn't seem I don't know just something didn't seem

quite right with it to where I felt like when I was listening to him he was fighting himself on the inside and to not like just lash out

in anger but I just didn't see what he was so upset about and so you know you got to just at this point say that

well surely he'll go back and see that Chris Rebell did the same thing that Joey did, which is kind of run them up in turns three and four. And, you know, Joey, absolutely. Like, I don't think there's a question what Joey would do in the same scenario where he's got fresh tires, the guys holding him up.

It would have shipped them. You know, only results prove that. It was a, nonetheless, it was a great, great finish. Yeah, it was a good finish. It was a good finish. Do you think Joey was more mad at the call? to not pit, but he can't voice that frustration. And so what are the things going to be mad at?

You know, truthfully, I thought that it was the right call to stay out when I saw that he had six people staying out with him. Five, right? Five. It's just the first, so many of these restarts results on whether there is success or a failure comes down to what happens in the first few corners. Does if, I'm, I'm, I'm, pretty certain of this is that I watched the first corner and had Christopher Bell not gotten been able to get to the

inside of Carson Hosevar he doesn't win the race but he got three cars in that first lap and that's that's when it was over once once those fresh tires get to third place after one lap you're cooked and blaney just dropped so that your your teammate right next to you on the front row is no longer there to help And I think that did, I saw a radio transmission. Did Blaney say that he hit his ignition switch when he was changing his bias? I did see that, but I can't remember if it was on that restart or where, but I do know that he did that. Hmm.

Yeah, it, yeah, he lost all of his buffer for sure pretty quickly. You know, that Blaney was certainly good enough to put up a fight as well. But, you know, really all he had to fight was Ross Chats. who had stayed out, which, I mean, that was going to be a tough fight, and Ross made it really hard on Seabell to get around. But still, the overcoming the cooler and fresher tires, you know, and it wasn't really about tire wear as much as it was tire heat, which is why you had to get these guys pretty quickly.

Once he got there in the first lap, it's just the job of Joey would have had it. I mean, I don't think that there were. was going to be any legit defense he would have had to the 20 car to stop him from passing him without absolutely just trashing him. And the one didn't really put up a fight against the 20. And Joey said he thought Ross, I thought the one was trying to. But Ross probably at that time is thinking, I'm going to, if I fight him, he's not going to go fight him. And let those two fight and maybe they wreck each other and then I get the win. Exactly. Yeah, sometimes letting a faster car go to then go battle the car in front of him is your best opportunity to

win the race. And I think that that's a pretty heads-up move. What did you make of the promoter's caution? I mean, we all knew it. I think if we did any bitching complaining, we needed to do it before the race and not post. Just simply because while we all might not be in an agreement of it, that it's a good thing. or bad thing or shouldn't is a gimmick or a not. Of course it's a gimmick. But how was that race going to play out without it?

This race could have been not my... I mean, all I know is where I was sitting all day. The only entertainment I had was kind of watching the leaders and, you know, when I could see them. And it was the same five cars for pretty much the whole day. And so I just didn't see much going on there. and so, you know, it came at a time where it puts you to a decision to pit or not to pit. So I think that it accomplished what it was designed to accomplish.

We can argue the merits of whether it should or should not have been there. But I disagree with us bitching about it post-race because it affected you in a negative way. Like you knew you had the opportunity to play one or the other. And there was going to be, you know, there was a chance. it was going to be you who you know, it didn't work out for it. I think the frustration comes from the 22 thought that they had the best

car. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. They certainly were one of them. And when you don't win, you get butt hurt. Right. Knowing that you know when the caution is going to come and like how the end of the race is more or less going to play out that you're going to have the opportunity to pit,

can you create a strategy going into the race that puts you where you want to be in that last 20 laps. Like maybe you wanted to be third to the point where you had to come in and take four tires. Yeah, but so much is dependent on when do the other cautions come. Like when's there other cautions? Because we pretty much pitted every time the caution came out, except for one when there was like four laps on tires. So a lot of it, while you tried to position to where, okay,

in order to take two tires at the Marcus Smith caution with 30 to go, we need to be able to, we need to take four with a hundred to go. So you try to do that, but you just never know when the cautions are going to fall. You know, there was a few cautions that fell at times where it made everyone pit. And so I didn't think that it jumbled up that much. it was only really that last 30 laps where you had those five cars decide. We're staying out.

That's what's going to win. And then you had everyone else thinking pitting is the only way for us to win. Do you have any thoughts on how you'd like to see this All-Star race be formatted in the future or where you'd like to see it go from here? Well, I mean, I always loved it when it was at Charlotte, kind of in our backyard here. And it showcased some great racing. and we had some good formats over the years and whatnot. But, you know, All-Star weekends in general is very, very difficult to execute.

I would say from a regular season ratings perspective to All-Star, ours is probably as good as any sport is concerned on that. So I don't know that you need to, you know, fix a whole lot. You know, there's things obviously with the car that can be fixed. and tires that, you know, we didn't, you know, only had a couple tents fall off of the tires, but, you know, that's just, that's in the weeds. Like general format, things like that, nothing jumped off the page of me. Do you think at North Wilkesburg in general that if you were to, if this was a regular season

points race and you had 40 cars out there, that the racing would be more compelling because you'd get to lap traffic quicker? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think that going to night hurts the racing. I think that there's no question about that. It just levels the field off too much. There's less tire fall off.

I think it needs to be like hot, hot. Or we need to go back to the softer left side tire than what we had here last year. But I noticed that was a narrative Fox was pushing pretty hard after the race. They kept asking him, what do you think about a race? regular season like like do they have skin in the game i'm just i'm confused on why the push is but why not yeah exactly because we fucking run 38 weeks of the year okay but what what does it change so jordan beyond you throw out just make it 37 points you're gonna get rid of the roble absolutely but what like you're not adding a race in this equation so what's it matter don't put it upon

don't put it past anyone more races equals more money okay but what in this idea of just making a points paying, get rid of the all-star race, why not? I just think from a hype standpoint, you're going to get more hype out of something called an all-star weekend than you are a regular season race at North Worksboro.

If all things are, like, it doesn't make it a bigger event because you decide to pay points. But if you could still do the pit crew challenges, if you wanted to, but you just have the race, like what changes from the race?

race from a fan standpoint that makes it more fun to watch with the name All Star versus North Wilkesboro 400 nothing. It's in your head. It's a little, there's nothing that makes it more exciting. I think it's a thought that it's getting embedded in people's brain, but it's not, you're not going to see much anything different, putting all the cars out there. Now you've got 400 laps. The intensity is probably a little less. I don't know. I mean, it's sure, let's, let's do it. But You know, let's take off, you know, another racetrack. I mean, don't add anymore. That's for sure.

We've got enough. Like, I didn't think anything All-Star about yesterday. I mean, the introductions were boring. I understand. But that's the challenge of All-Star Weekends in all sports. They all have issues with making it exciting and compelling. I think it's unfair to compare NASCAR to these other sports because football players aren't going to be hitting each other.

Right. We're not afraid of the injury aspect as much as other sports. So we give 100% no matter what where other All-Stars are less. But even All-Star weekend, like, was there like 23 cars in the race? Yeah. That's too many, you're saying. No questions, too many. We've watered down the importance of everything.

Nothing is elite anymore. come one, come all, here's your participation medals. So you just need to delete the open race then? No, I think an open race is fine, but just, you know, right now to make it in, you can win this year, last year, any other All-Star race.

Fan vote. And fan votes. We got all kinds of shit that gets you in. I mean, I'm surprised the next move isn't, whoever's got the most content followers. Clefis or Farland. 24th entry. I mean, that'd be great for TV.

You're going to, ratings are going up. See, there's Jared looking for the short-term burst. Whoa, whoa, you're the one who just said, keep it. I'm being sarcastic, but I'm saying, like, stop trying to get these little short-term burst and lose your long-term credibility. Like, make it elite, like it used to be. The clash now, has it got three-quarters of the field. Our playoffs have half the field.

Like, don't get me started. Just make it hard. You watched the truck race? Obviously, you watched the truck race on Saturday. I did. Very similar to the end of the cup race, only it wasn't. I thought that it was an ambitious move by Lane. I thought, was it really, really egregious?

I did not think so. Did I think Hime had a reason to be pissed? I do. Because not only did he not get an opportunity to, you know, race it out in turns three and four to the checker, he got spun out. And it turned from him potentially winning or finishing second to having a bad, bad finish. So I definitely see both sides. of it. I think that where the frustration comes from, you understand it from Himeside, right,

is that the kid is far more superior than his peers in performance right now. And frankly, I think if he was going up against better competition, he'd win more races. I know that's backwards, but he's really just gotten taken out by circumstances or mechanicals or green-white checkers or things like that. But I think the frustration comes from there's not an effort to actually try to pass anymore. So when you see what led up to this is it was Chandler before this, the last caution, Chandler, like, once he got within a car length of Heim, he shipped it into turn three and just ran into the back of them. Like, just try to knock him up the track as hard as you could.

And I think a lot of this is essentially Corey's in these guys' heads that they can't beat them. They can't beat them straight up. And so they're taking every opportunity to get as close to them as they can. and in that they're they're wrecking him it's the only short way i can is put it is that they're they're taking them out essentially and so chanler knocked them up there was a caution that saved cori put him back in the lead um and then when rigs got close to him you know could he have tried to work the bottom of one and two and stayed beside them through three and four and then washed them up coming to the checker? Maybe, but he just, he never gave him that opportunity.

He shipped it in there and he tried to slide job on a track that is very, very difficult to do that. I saw a few people try it. There's just not enough room at that track to do it, not enough space, not enough desal time. So, yeah, it just, I didn't, I didn't love the move because it would, you know, it definitely reeks of desperation. but that's where Corey's got these guys right now in desperate mode. Right, he doesn't win the race, which is obviously disappointed about, but again,

in the grand scheme of things, does it even matter? Like, he's clearly showing... It matters to him because these are race wins, right? These are trophies being taken off your shelf. These are accomplishments, you know, he's not going to be in the truck series forever.

So you only get an opportunity to win, you know, a certain amount of races while you're in that series. The money's not a lot, but it's something to... Yeah, we know. never know how bonuses are paid or anything like that. It all matters. It all matters, right? And so what I did like to see is, you know, I thought

that he set his piece. His team walked with him to accompany him there. And the front row team with Riggs's team, they stood there. They let him, you know, no one tried to stop anyone from doing anything, which I applaud the teams for doing that. Let the drivers say what they want to say. It wasn't any pushing or shoving or anything like that. They just, he got his point across and walked away. And so I didn't see anything wrong with the post race or anything. Lane Riggs's interview where he's like, yeah, I didn't do anything wrong. I think there's some half-truths and half-f false there.

To be 100% fair, did he go in there and like wipe him out and, you know, no. But he left him kind of no choice. Very similar to kind of the Larson thing at Pocono where like once you get the guy up in the fuzz, I don't know that they have a whole lot of choice left, right? So just it was unfortunate. The difference is with this is Riggs is starting to, you know,

he's lost the Ben for the Douton's starting to get that reputation. So like had this been that like... Yeah, it was a couple weeks in a row where he... Had this been his first. incident, then it probably isn't an issue, but it's now you're repeatable. Yeah. Just the, the worst statement ever, any of the new drivers are saying, doing what I had to do to win the race. Like, you don't have to do those things. You make the choices. Don't make it, don't cop it out to say that it's God's fault, you know, that he left me no choice and I had, no, you, you make

conscious decisions to make their moves that you do. And you can live. and die by them. You know, there's some days that you're going to be now, you know, if people see that you're going to do that in that situation, they're going to be more apt to do that to you, which is why I argue with the Joey Lugano situation, how in the hell can he get out and bitch about getting ran up the track a little bit? Like, you know, it's, he's done it enough to where I think he's given the green light to others to say, this is exactly how I know he would race me. Nothing more, nothing less.

And so I think you just have to be okay with that. Yeah, I think having a little bit of a rivalry, though, between these two guys is good, right? They're the two stars of the truck series currently. It'd be cool to watch them go back and forth like this for the rest of the season. Yeah, it's, you know, I think that there's three or four, you know, really good trucks that week in, week out, find themselves up front. Lane Chandler, Corey, they're going to battle it out, no doubt about it. And you know, you just never know what this format is all going to come down to one race and who wins at Phoenix. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you have 15 wins. But it'll be compelling story to see and watch.

The only other note we have from this weekend that we missed is that during the open race, Ryan Priest just drove over the choose box. Yeah. Were you in the bus when I said? I was. Yeah. He just drove over. He just drove over it.

He did. Again, this is one where I'd love the ability when I have an opinion to be very firm in my opinion that this is what's right. And NASCAR is absolutely. Absolutely right. But priests is absolutely has a, has a bitch about it. And that is that you couldn't see the damn thing. The night before during the open, I could not see it. I did not know where it was. So I couldn't see it. So what I did is I looked for the cones that are on the fence. That's the thing that we, that's our secondary point of reference. And then I just swerved so far low or high that I knew that there's no way that it's that, but I had no idea. where it was. It was so, so dark. And certainly I think that the modified race probably had a influence on how dark that thing was because it was, it was dark. You know, think about this as well. The track also was going downhill into turn one. So your view of the track is just not great anyway. So they did repaint it. It doesn't help. You actually, you know, it, you could see it quite okay

during the cup race but it didn't help Ryan Priest yikes did nobody speak up during any of these races and be like hey guys can't see it no I thought it but I just said I'm aware of it now and I'll let somebody else fuck out never interrupt your computation while they're making a mistake yeah recognize they can't see it and then hopefully someone else that's right um as we talked about going to Charlotte the Cook 600 this weekend and first race weekend on Amazon Prime. Excited about that.

Excited to see what kind of production they bring to the table. For most of the qualifying and practice and all that stuff, it's been essentially Fox just with Prime airing it, right? I want to see what Prime does. I want to see their own people, their own production people, their own directors. Well, like you've seen with NFL what they do. They have like, they'll predict like if the players,

is blitzing or not in a game. So I'm curious what like analytics and stuff they'll put on screen for us. Yeah. I mean, we just saw just a small change in like CW, right? I think myself included was very apprehensive when Xfinity series went to the CW.

But they've just done a great job with their on-air talent, what they're showing, how they're showing it, more cars on track, not the zoomed-in shots. God, you last night. First or fourth was fine. to watch. Yeah. I don't know.

Proceed. I know. It's frustrating. It's frustrating for everyone. But it's time to shuttle in the new group and see how they do. Yeah, there's been a lot of hype around. It'll be interesting to see how I, what I imagine, whoever's producing this broadcast, be a first-time producer of NASCAR, maybe?

I think it's a NASCAR production. It's an NBC. Is it? So it's got like the same like director and stuff like that as NBC. which is still an upgrade. Yeah. So we should expect a similar broadcast to what we see on NBC? We don't know.

Which is why we're so excited about it, Jared. My assumption would be like similar shots and stuff, but I think the bells and whistles that Prime can offer is going to be there to boost up the broadcast. Yeah, and they got some great on-air talent that is current, knows what's going on, up-to-date. Yeah, all those things. So we'll say how it goes, but excited to see them be part of the team.

Yeah, races at 6 p.m. on Amazon Prime, as we mentioned, Sunday, of course. And then Saturday practice and qualifying also on prime starting at 1.30. Travis has on here, last three points races you finished outside the top 20. Great stat, Travis. I'm sure Danny loves to hear that. How important is it to have a good day on points? I mean, I just want to win when we're capable of winning. I want to run good.

I want to have speed. We have that every single week. This week, again, just brought me a little bit back to reality about Cup Series racing and how hard it can be sometimes. But, yeah, I just run to run well. I want to be, you know, this race has got more stages than the other races. we have a keep pressing that button

draw we're going to go out early we're going to qualify like dog and we're probably not going to get very good stage points early on and hopefully we just make our way to the front as the race goes on and those of you all don't know

we have a crap draw in qualifying because we finish like crap for the last couple weeks and I keep dropping in the points because of my bad finishes and it's just it's compounding now it's just, it just keeps getting worse. So I'm probably going to go out.

I don't know. Third, fourth, fifth. Well, at least this is a long race to give you the chance to finally get back up there and get a good finish of then the following week. You can call it. It does, but it's just like, it's frustrating because this is a race where if you are really good, you can pile up a lot of points. This race pays more points than any other race that we have all season.

so maybe we can get some cautions or something. No, no Denny Downer this week. I know. It's just, man, I hate starting in the hole because of something that happened two weeks ago. Press the button. All right. And well, because of it's here in Charlotte, big week for all the hometown race teams, junior motorsports and dirty moe media fan day.

It's this Thursday, May 22nd at J.R.M. Shop and Morrisville, just punch in junior motorsports into Google Maps or Apple Maps, whatever you like to use autograph sessions, food trucks, live shows on the Lionel stage, Sirius XM radio will be broadcasting all day starting at 10 a.m. Bless Your Heart with Dale and Amy goes live at noon and then door bumper clear kicks off at 1 p.m. with Jordan Biaki. I'll say something about Bless Your Heart. The Jordan, she is a big fan of Bless Your Heart. She loves watching. Raving reviews in my family. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't got to hear it a whole lot, but

She loves it. She hears the all the, she likes it because she just likes the opportunity to say, see, he does that too or, you know, like, you know, tries to compare. Like, whatever. But yeah, I appreciate you guys tuning in. Go check out Fan Day at Junior Motorsports this Thursday. And we'll see you guys next week. And then Airspeed. Oh, Airspeed, yeah.

Airspeed. If you're in town. Stop at Airspeed. Give away special appearances, photo ops. Yeah, I think that what we're going to do there is a little different than our airspeed premiere from last year. But we're going to have some drivers and myself kind of... It's Spirit Week they're calling it. Give like little tours or show around.

We'll have little time slots depending on when you show up. We'll be there to say hello and sign autographs. I think if you wear 2311 gear, there's a chance that you get stuff, I believe they said. Oh, right on. Perfect. Well, we'll see you guys this week. week.