Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - SVG Strikes Again… Can Anyone Stop Him?

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Denny Hamlin and Jared Allen are back after another dominant win by Shane Van Gisbergen3:00 The Next Gen car is reaching hate levels of the Car of Tomorrow9:40 What it will take for SVG to lose on a road/street course?16:25 Who can challenge SVG in the future?23:30 Can SVG make it out of the first round of the Playoffs?28:00 Who is to blame for Denny and Kyle Busch making contact?29:15 More drama with Carson Hocevar35:15 Connor Zilisch’s scary fall in Victory Lane42:15 SVG to blame for him wrecking in the Xfinity race47:00 Austin Hill causes a massive crash one week after being suspended Dirty Mo Media has a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Actions Detrimental merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.For more Actions Detrimental content: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimental FanDuel Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Coreyheim now 45 playoff points. Is he a lock for the final four? Do they race Taldaiga or not? I assume they would be racing Tadale. Okay. It can score one point there. Roval Taldaiga Martinsville.

Oh gosh. Have you seen the truck? They're all shos. The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. I believe that I've been a competitive for 20 years. Opinions from tonight's podcast, strictly biased. You're going to hear from my point of view.

I'm a fighter. No, you are not. The spoils of victory for Jared Allen. He's got better luck to drink and drink to win. I know, you do. Two trophies missing from your collection. A championship and the most popular driver. Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yeah. And I've already said it.

Hey guys, welcome to actions detrimental. I'm Danny Hamlet driver of the progressive Toyota this past weekend at Watkins Glen. Were you there? Was that there? Yeah. I was there. Yes, I was there. I completed all 90 laps.

How did the new strategy? Not as quick as others. How did the new strategy go? It's a work in progress. Work in progress. By strategy, you mean the racing style or whatever they reported? Is that what you mean?

Denny's new approach to road courses. whatever that was it's to spend as least amount of time on them as possible that's not true um no uh just trying some different technique stuff uh it's again this is going to take a long while um but just i got nothing to lose so just working on a different uh different techniques and see how it goes so why would you try it in the middle of this season though Why does this race matter? Well, because you could have got more points and move up in the regular stay and And you get...

William Byron's got this regular season. Okay, but it's second place? It's a point. It's a playoff point. Yeah, I don't think, now or never. That's all I can tell you. It just, it, I don't know, this is just one of those races that is a, you know, it's just, it's on our schedule. and you know we're likely not going to contend for a win so it's you know yeah trying to get the

best finish you can try to qualify as good as you can you know I definitely heard our track position in qualifying I thought I had a very good lap going and then messed up the end of the bus stop so qualified P-22 got swallowed up on the initial start had a few bibles there went to 30th rather quickly and then that's where we hung out until towards the end of the run started going forward. And then at the end of the race, same thing. We started marching a little bit more forward. Needed more laps to see it all the way through.

But really, the positioning started changing really for the field with about 10 laps ago. There was not much passing until that point. But it's finally when the tires started to wear out. So this is one of the very few tracks that, you know, Goodyear's got a great combination for this track. we can have between two and three seconds a fall off depending on how far you choose to run and that's where all the passing happens at the very very end of the run as people start wearing them out and that's why you saw chase elliot tie gibbs amongst other people that just drop like a rock at the end so this new driving style that you're trying out was this your idea

Was it a team thing? How did this happen? Just trying to figure out the tire, figure out what it needs, and all those things. So nothing in particular. No one told me to do anything. I'd just do it on my own.

Gotcha. Past SVG, SVG obviously wins this race by a mile. Past him, was this a good race? If you look past SVG to second place and beyond with the tire and all that, was this a good race?

I mean, last week I had the everything sucks. episode. So should I balance it out a little bit? Well, I don't know. I was just like listening to the tear down. Like I mean, you could go either way. I mean, I think that we have a fundamental car problem. It is no doubt a problem. Everyone that has ever driven it has said it's a problem. I believe that the next gen car is being, is, is reaching hate levels of the COT with the wing. Really?

Yes. Yes. From fans and just, I think they're starting to dislike this car as much as the drivers that have to drive it. Well, that's not great because I followed the sport very deeply up until that era. And I was an average fan that just kind of, I mean, my parents fell out of it at the same time. You know, those around me fell out of the sport at that same time. Which isn't a good thing if this next gen is reaching similar levels, because I assume that will happen. Yeah, that was for a different reason.

Now, you know, definitely passing became more difficult once we got into that era of cars. Again, a lot of it is because of the platform of the actual car, the aerodynamic tendencies of the car. The COT was certainly a step back in that performance of raceability. versus the Gen 4 car that I started with, right? The Gen 4 is more similar to the Xfinity series that, I mean, I was watching Xfinity race and it was like, gosh, dang, you saw these leaders all in the clump, and nobody could get away because all it took was the second place

guy to get close to the leader, and it would get them all out of shape, and then they couldn't go anywhere. And so we've just steadily progressed our way back, back and back and back and back and taking horsepower away more and more and more. And so these are decisions that get made from beyond our offices. It's, you know, these are 10th story, you know, 10th floor decisions. And let's just say us drivers are on the third floor. And it's just, I hate to say, no business is immune to bad decisions.

And I think, I think that the NASCAR business has made some horrible decisions over the last, you know, given amount of time. Let's let's leave that as unspecified. And eventually it catches up. You can't just say this is the direction I want to go. Well, why? Well, it's just the direction I want to go. and not eventually have to pay for that. Like, you're going to have to pay for your bad decisions at some point.

And this could be said for lots of things that has happened in those offices. And we'll just see how it goes. I think, Jerry Brampe a good point, though, is, like, there's more things for fans to consume now than ever. And so, like, they lost fans with the car of tomorrow now. Like, there's a good chance. Like, I feel like right now we're at a boiling point. it is i mean there's you know and it's because you've got you have frustration from drivers and the

if the fans listen to the drivers first but they also they don't um they're smart enough to form an opinion on their own they don't necessarily need a driver to get out and and say i i was faster i just once i caught them i couldn't pass them they saw that right they saw it first and then the driver confirmed what they did see so you know they just the fans just the fans just wants it fixed. They don't, they don't care about, well, who's paying for it or anything like that. They just want it fixed. And I think that, you know, when they hear, well, more horsepower is coming, you know, we ask for whatever we could get, right? And it sounds like it probably will be about 75 horsepower. Is it going to move the needle? Not much. But, you know, it will move it some. Just very, very slightly,

it will move it a little bit. But generally speaking, I think a lot of people with really good knowledge have spoke about kind of what they would do to fix the car and keep it to where the leader doesn't have such an advantage. And I think that that, but that's not, that's not what the 10th floor decision makers want it. They wanted parity. In order to have parity, that's, what you're saying is that you want everyone to run the same speed and whoever has the opportunity or gets out front, they can win, regardless of their skill level, regardless of whatever, they can win. That doesn't produce stars, first of all. And what we're seeing in next gen is that, especially road courses, SVG is the most skilled.

He has the track position. Therefore, it will all, he'll never be able to be overcome in these scenarios. It will take a, for SVG to lose a road course, race. I'm just stated right now because we'll got one more to go. We got more on the schedule for next year. It is going to have to take an untimely caution that completely screws him out of his track position to where he, yes, he goes, he got to 13th one time on a restart, but he had a tire advantage over the cars in front of him. So not only is he good, but he had the tire advantage. Like, it would take them time, but like if you qualify 20th, it's not going to happen.

If you qualify 20th and started the race, I don't know where he would get to by the time the first pit stop happened. Maybe 10th? I don't know because I don't know how much he has in reserve. It seems like a lot. But it just compounds when you put them out front. And what the lead car can do to the rest of the field, it's just it's insurmountable. And we see it at short track.

We saw it at Iowa. The leader just backs the whole field up because they can't pass whoever's in 30th to put them a lap down. So it's just a, it's a tough spot to be in. For the fourth time on this podcast, I said I've asked NASCAR directly. Are you sure you have this car driving correctly

at all types of racetracks, aerodynamics and all that? Before you put it on track, because they were rushing to get this car on the racetrack. Yep, we got it. All right, I trust you. And we continue to go down the wrong path of a car that races good. So obviously we all agree that we have a car issue.

But with the road courses, is it more of an SVG problem? Or if this was a previous generation, would SVG still have the dominance that he has? well i think that he is it's a combination he's good with this car it's it's more similar to where he came from i think the tire suits him very very well um he would still be better than any of the road course racers i ever competed against certainly interestingly enough you had said that parity doesn't create stars. And I agree. But on the flip side of that, I feel like on road courses, we're not seeing parody. We're seeing SVG just wax the field every single time. And he's creating a star

presence for himself in NASCAR just based on his road course ability. Yeah. I think that, I think you're right. I'm saying you want less parity. There's 30 other races, though. And it's I know, but in a vacuum You're like this guy's so good at road courses. He is a star of the Cup series when you get to a road course. This guy is something to watch when they race on road courses.

I see your point, but there's 30 other races that make up NASCAR, right? And so, you know, in the long term, I mean, he's certainly getting better at the ovals. and hopefully we'll put himself in the contender level of on the ovals soon. But still, I think it's going to be really, really tough to overcome the sports elite on ovals. I don't think he's going to be able to do that.

Right. I think what I'm trying to say is that you're seeing an example of when you don't have parity and when a guy dominates that it's kind of cool to see a story. are being bored in that respect, which you don't have at 30 other races throughout the year because there's so much parity that you guys can't separate yourselves from the rest. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, I see where you're going with that. Yeah, you're right. There's not a, I'd say there's not as much chaos. When you start at the front of a road course, there's not much chaos to mix up the field and all those things, right? Where on an oval,

if William Byron has the fastest car and he starts on the pole, like, He's got to go through eight pit stops, something like that in any given day. And if he gets put back to 15th, do we ever see him again? Like, you know, that's what we're fighting for the other 30 weeks of the year is that, wait a minute, William Byron was the best driver, best car on that day. And why is it when we put him in traffic? He couldn't go anywhere, right? So that's where the parody really hurts the stars on the ovals.

On the road courses, it's a little more straightforward. as long as there's not an ill-time caution that, let's just say, the second through 10th pits on lap 39, forget the stages and all that stuff. A caution comes on lap 40s. SVG was still on the racetrack. He now has to go back to 11th with one lap fresher tires than the top, then two through 10 that now stay out.

That's when it's like, oh, does he have enough time to get back? there. That would be very, very difficult because he can't set his own pace and things like that. And so it's what I want to see. There's no doubt the guy can go through traffic. Zero doubt on my mind. Is he the best road course racer I've ever seen? Absolutely. I competed against the Tony Stewart's, Jeff Gordon's, all those guys. He's better than all of them. But the only thing you're going to have to mix this up to keep him from winning Every single road course race is it's going to have to take something wacky. Or else you could just go ahead and write the script for the next foreseeable future. Yeah, I think that's what's cool is that when it comes to a road course,

for the most part, you're seeing a winner based on their skill level versus something wacky happening. And something wacky happening that causes somebody to win occasionally is fine. If that happens, you know, a handful of race out of season, that's fine. I don't know, you just see skill dominating the road courses. Do we see any of these younger drivers being able to come up to his level and compete with them? Or is this just going to be a, until the car changes, SVG just wins road courses? Well, I think he wins road courses for the foreseeable future.

But, I mean, in straight up equipment, right, Conner's beating him in Xfinity. so you would say that what could be coming is essentially a kind of a one-two battle there now this tire and car is going to react a lot different than what the Xfinity car see it seems like Connor was really really good but now he's really really like fine-tune his his skill in the Xfinity car when he comes to the cup he's really good, still really fast, but still not qualifying like P2, P1, right? It's just, and the unrealistic expectations we're putting on him right now. But it's what we expect. And I think it's what will come in the next year or so where it's likely that these two will be head and shoulders still above

the field. And likely the only battle you'll have is between those two to figure out who's going to win the road course race that day. unless something wacky happens. That's the only way. Yeah, I think Travis is asking, is there any Cup Series drivers currently that can do enough off the track, practice, SIM to catch them?

I don't think so. I think if anything, he just continues to get more track time at these tracks. That's the problem is we thought I think people were going to get him this year when it's kind of like, Newer.

Yeah. The gap is stabilized, right? He's the Yukon basketball right now, and he's making road course is not fun. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a certain element where the fans will get a little fatigued with it. But like Jared's saying,

like we do have to appreciate, you know, the greatness that we're seeing on this type of racetrack, right? It's something to be admired and certainly exposes the rest of the field to show that, like, there's more left there. You know what I mean? Like, there's...

I don't know. I thought it was kind of cool that late in this race I saw on Twitter, Rudy Fugel was upset. He was just saying how it's very clear that SVG is just backing up to Byron to make William think that he has a chance of getting him and he's just making them wear his stuff out. Yeah.

And you heard of mind games. And you heard William at the end of the race saying, He was in a drifter car those last few laps because if you sit right behind someone, you just, you got no chance. It just heats your stuff up so much. And so, yeah, SVG was just running just fast enough. Like, I don't know how to explain this. So if they were the only two cars on the track, and this is, I guess, the problem that we're

talking about this machine right here, this car, SVG can run at about 70,000. 70% if William Byron is running 100 right on his bumper and he will not pass him. Let's just, oh, hold on. Even on these road courses? Okay, let's take it through G out. William Byron AI can run at 70% and keep William Byron, the driver, running 100% behind him. Even at these road courses? Isn't there more variability in the way you guys are attacking the corners?

every lap or no there is but just you just that the speed differential that you must have to pass it's just so high you got to have major major speed differential i feel like at these road courses there's a higher chance for that no are you running like perfect laps for the most part every time no but you don't as the leader you don't have to run perfect laps the second place guy to stay right on your bumper has to run close to perfect like really really execute really well but it's just the amount of air less that he's getting versus so the wake out of road course is just as oh gosh yes just as important as absolutely you're breaking points when no one's in front of you versus breaking points when someone is in front

of you or vice versa it's just cornering capability breaking capability breaking capabilities breaking capability, all those things, just, it is massive. And it's just some of it is just physics, some things you will never be able to fix. The one thing we can fix, though, is the ability for the second place guy when he gets close to manipulate and take air off that front car. That's the only way we're going to start to see more and more passing and overtaking. Before we started this show, we got a long text here from Bozzi. Did you read this? I did.

Is there any validity to this and what he summarized here about the breaking style of SVG versus maybe the breaking style of Chase Elliott a few years ago and why one doesn't work anymore with these tires and one does? Yeah, I definitely think there's validity to it. Is it worth it to go deeper on it? it's a rabbit hole that I'm afraid we would just take our listeners head and make it explode so I just think no probably not

but he certainly has he's on the right track absolutely there's a point down here where he mentions how much better Bubba has performed on road courses which is interesting because he was not good years ago and right

those two 2011 cars came home with top 10 finishes yesterday all right well um SVG gets his fourth road course win in a row he's now tied series leading with myself four wins um 22 playoff points 22 playoff points he um he's making his path to the final eight pretty I mean, a lot easier than what we thought. What do you think, obviously, it's hard to know, not knowing what other driver's going to do, but if there isn't a upset winner in the first three races,

so like what do you think his average finish would have to be for him to advance? Obviously, I know it's... In the first round? Yeah. Just not crap. Right where he's at, 21-ish. Well, there's no road courses.

So what's brought his average finish down is the road courses. Correct. He's 25th in points. So I don't know what his average finish is outside of road courses. My guess is probably 25. I don't know. I'm just throwing that out. It might not be that bad.

I think he just needs to do what he's been doing. He's been progressing and getting better on the ovals and not running. You know, at the beginning of the year, he was definitely, you know, a last place contender on the ovals. But he's not that now. I think he's certainly. putting himself in the low 20s to teams sometimes. I don't know. Finishing the low 20s.

First round, I think he's fine. Watch out then. Because Roval's next. Yeah. That's tough though. I think I've said this multiple times. But if there's one road course that he might not win, I feel like it could be the roval.

Same song, different verse. We just go to the next one. Jared, I'll bet. You know what? There's no one. way he has an advantage when we go to San Diego. No way. Yeah, right.

You can't bet against him on a road course, street course, until he loses. There's going to be a race that something happens that's going to take him out. Like, he got taken out of Chicago. Remember in the wet, somebody made a mistake. Like, he definitely is able to be vulnerable to someone else and make it. a mistake. He's not going to make it on its own. It's going to be into turn one. Somebody ping pongs into someone else and it knocks him into Shane after he just pitted. Like that's what we need. We need a conspiracy. That's where I feel like the roval has the opportunity

to do of any of the road course races. The roval is the most chaotic. It's created for that, right? It is. I'm not sure what it's created for. It's created. It's created. It's created. because the racing on the Oval wasn't very good, but that's been, you know, eight, ten years ago. So maybe SVG's helping help in your case. I'm certain. I am absolutely certain that SMI and Mark Smith is keeping the rope just to, just to chap us.

The fans don't want it anymore. The drivers don't want it. But I think they're just, they're like somebody else that I know that's willing to die on the hill. How far do you think SVG goes in the playoffs? If you had to make prediction right now,

do you think he makes the round of eight? It's 50-50, Jared. It's so 50-50. 50-50 is not an answer. I know, it's not. I say he goes to the round of eight. Just because, I don't know. Tal-Degas is not in that one anymore.

Tal-Degas now in the round of eight. Tal-Degas decides who goes to the championship four now, right? Yep. The 10th floor. The 10th floor decision. Which in a way may be beneficial to guys like you who hopefully continue to accumulate more playoff points because the chance of some random winner at Talladegas high

and then you get two point ins for the final four. I don't know. I don't know. It's playing however you want. It's 50-50. Do I have to make a decision? Does he make the round of eight? No.

That's my decision. And I think it's 49-51%. I just went with the 51%. I think you very easily could. or he's got to get unlucky at some point on the road course. Just unlucky, not unskilled, not unfast, unlucky. Hey, this is Dale Jr. And for the latest actions detrimental gear,

go to shop.durdymomedia.com. We've got plenty of options for you. We're adding new stuff all the time. That's shop.dardomomedia.com. You had some contact during this race with maybe a little Ross Chastain, some Kyle Busch. So Bubba Wallace? I don't think it was Ross's fault.

I don't, you know, I saw it. Yes, he dived in there late, but I got up the racetrack and I got into Kyle. Kyle got into me the corner before. Like, I was racing two by two with someone, and I think he came from a ways back and just jammed it in there. And just, I don't know,

just made a ton of contact, bounced me up into the 45. And so I went into that corner. I'm like, well, you know, I'm not going to cut him any break, right? And then, yeah, I see the one. He dives in there. And so I leave room for the one. And the eight's not really leaving me a whole lot of room. And at that point, I'm like, well, you know, am I going to let you just run over me?

And then I'm now going to lift for you also. Like, I don't know. Just it wasn't really. it wasn't Ross's fault it was interverting contact but I just

I wasn't willing to just give any more room at that point just because how I got treated in the previous corner I didn't work out too well

for either cars No no not at all some other drama from this weekend more Carson Hosevar let's start with Carson Hosevar

and Brad Kislauski I'd never seen Brad Kosalski sprint this fast in 10 years. Yeah, not since like, was that Kansas where he ran across the infield and pointed at Kyle Bush's team, remember you, and then pointed at his ass and then pointed to the back. Remember that? Yeah. I mean, I've seen clips.

Certainly more athletic than what we've seen out of him. I didn't see what happened. More than likely here's what happened is that. the, so who's on their lap first? Kazowski pulls out on pit road, or pulls onto the racetrack, and Carson is on his flying lap. So,

Kazowski wants to go slow for the first few corners to let his stuff warm up before he gets to the alternate start finish line on the backstretch. Well, as the 77's coming up on him, he must have caught Brad at a, probably not a great time, You know, where it just maybe it made him slow down, maybe it did not.

But it's just Carson probably took exception to that. Brad probably was trying to get out of his way. Carson felt like his lap was inhibited. And so instead of once Carson finished his lap, instead of him pulling on pit road, or, yeah, instead of him pull him on pit road, he probably kept going and then chose to slow down the six when he was on his flying lap the next time around.

So that's all I can think of because they both said that, you know, one screwed the other's lap up in qualifying. When it comes to qualifying on these road courses, how important is it that you play nice with the guys around you? I mean, there's cars doing cool-down laps on the track. There's cars doing their qualifying laps, and you've got to maneuver around everyone in this short time window. Yeah, it's, you know, it's easier now than it used to be.

It used to be we were all on the racetrack. Now it's half the field, so you certainly think that there should be no opportunities. Now, what could be happening is if someone's making a second run, everyone's doing it at different times, and sometimes you're up against the clock. And late in your run, you're just, you're trying to beat the clock. And so maybe Brad went out there and he's like, you know, I got to get to, I got to pull out right now onto the racetrack to get back to the start finish line to get my lap logged before the end of the session. So sometimes when you put yourself up against the back end of the clock like that, it leaves you no choice but to put you on the racetrack in front of someone that's already, you know, running. Right. some more Carson Horsovar

It seems like Zane Smith Carson Hosefar drama from last week of Zane potentially attempting to wreck Carson Hosefar and then missing both over into this race where Carson Hosevar gave up a spot late in the race but then approached Zane's

window on pit road after the race. And said, Hey, I know that doesn't make up for it but you can expect that in the next couple weeks. Okay. So, this is where

we have to recognize that he's saying what he's saying publicly and then he's doing something else privately, right? So he's clearly acknowledging that he messed up with Zane at Iowa, unintentionally wrecked him at Iowa. And so he's trying to pay back

favors on the racetracketra. to make good of that. Yeah, those comments were from Zane Smith's in-car audio kind of picked up someone to raise the volume, so it wasn't like him publicly saying it to your point, didn't he? Right, it's, you know, wanting to keep the public persona one way and then, you know, obviously trying to do the right thing on the racetrack, which I have no issues with.

I think he should. I mean, if he choose to just sit right in front of the guy that you wrecked last week, more unlikely you're going to get sent. So probably a good idea on his part to get out of the way and should, like he said, over the next few weeks. Should we move on to Trucks next Fendi? Sure. Let's start with the truck series.

Coreyheim now 45 playoff points. I mean, nearly a whole race above the field. That's because he's better than the rest of the field. Is he a lock for the final four? Not under this format. That's what's absolutely crazy. Not under this four, even with that many playoff points? I mean, I guess technically, no, he's not a lot, but...

What are the races for trucks leading into the final four? Do they race Taldaiga or not? I assume they would be racing out of town. Okay, it can score one point there. Roval Taldaiga Martinsville. Oh, gosh. Have you seen the truck, Martin... They're all shows.

Yes. Yes, I'm telling you he could miss the final four. Luckily, he's got the Roval. That's how silly this format is. I think he's like 178 points up on the regular season. I hear you. It's not likely. No, no, no.

I'm less in favor of my opinion now, hearing that those last three races are Tal'Daga, the Roval and Martinsville. Those are all three sh**o races. Guys will be wrecked at the end of Martinsville. Taledega will be what it is. It ain't about the most deserving. It's about the most entertaining.

Well, this is the floor decisions. This is the format we got for the foreseeable. future. Yep. Xfinity. Connor Zillich wins, but unfortunately has a scary fall in Victory Lane post-race slips off his car. Everyone's

seen it at this point. So I'm on the Walkinsklen State Park Trail right? And you know in there the service is not spotty at best, right? So every time you kind of get an opening, you get a ding, ding, ding, and then you keep walking and then you got nothing. And I

and they're like, oh my gosh. Did you see Connor? And I'm like, no. And I, and the video, it's on my phone, but I can't open it. Right. And so I just, when I, I stopped at a place and I watched it and I was like, oh my God. Like, I'm genuinely concerned. First thing I thought, and I told Jordan this, I says, oh, man, that's a collarbone breaker right there.

Like, you fall right, just right there. And sure enough, he broke. broke that, but I thought he snapped his leg. I thought he had a concussion. His neck, like, it was... It was just violent. My, I would... I'd still be in the hospital.

I mean, to be young again, holy crap, there's no way. I don't think I'm ever going to stand on top of my car again. That's what I thought. Do you see SVG? Celebrating is over. SVG just stepped one leg out and then just... He stood beside his car again, the way even... to round.

Teddy's going to go crawl up the hood, get to the top. And slide down the... Yeah, slide down the front windshield. Gosh, it gives me... Has that ever... The pain that that must have been. I just... I just can only speak to, like, how much it would hurt me.

Right. Not necessarily how much it was hurt someone who's his age. I mean, have you ever... You've celebrated a win now 58 times. have you ever gotten out of your car and thought like if this there could be a fluke accent here where this goes really poorly no never thought about it because the door is slippery there's beverages being thrown behind um there was one time yeah so back when i had knee surgery that was getting out was a concern like watching my step all those things and i still to this day you know

once it gets wet and like i i see i walk around rather gingerly just watching, that's what you do when you get older. You watch every step because you just don't know which one I'll take you out. That's funny, depending on the track and the way that you would pull into victory lane, if you pull into victory lane,

your driver's side is on the photographer's side. You get out of the car, right? You're initially, who, as you face your team, and then you, as you face the photographer, You have to slowly rotate on the door of the car to turn around for the picture. You're making me paranoid. But this is what you guys do every week is what I'm saying.

Like it's kind of a little dangerous as it. I don't know. It doesn't, you don't think about it until it happens. I know. But I'm going to think about it from now on. Maybe I should just, when I pop out, just sit my butt right on the top. Right there for my name.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Just sit there. wave that'd be a good one um Connor Zillich beyond the uh

the the blunder in victory lane which you love his dad making like light of the situation right I mean it certainly it gave me a little sense of like okay he's gonna be fine

if his dad's like joking around on social media like it's it gave me at least a a breath of like all right I think he's I think he's going to be okay it sounds like he's alert and you know his dad's making a little fun of him now so it's it seems like it's going to be good so that beyond all that holy crap how impressive was his win I know you guys and I'm talking to you two you've never driven a race car but just as a race fan watching the Xfinity series and watching what he's doing in the field I know he's not racing against, look what SVG is doing to what we deem some of the better stock car drivers, you know, around.

He's doing that, but even a little more in the Xfinity series. So the gap that SVG has on us in the Cup series, Connor has, I'm not going to say double, but almost double that advantage over all the, If SVG does not run an extended race,

Connor would win these things by a f*** lap. I mean, I'm looking at the lap times. They're not close. There's nobody within six to seven tenths a lap. They're not close. And so when he got shuffled, it was like, oh, oh, Austin Hill moved him up. He went back to fifth.

It was like, he'll be leading in a lap. like first of all they under the great platform that the Xfinity cars are like he can manipulate everybody that's in front of him so he can just arrow get him out of the way now in the next gin car that would have been a little bit more difficult but beyond that just watching his racecraft while the chaos is going on he's still hitting his marks and passing cleanly wildly impressive wildly impressive that's the catch though is that in the Xfinity series there's a much higher chance for chaos. Right.

And a 15-car pile up on the narrowest section of the track. Right. Right. A lot more landmines for Conor Zilich to dodge and avoid and overcome. No question about it. I think, you know, that he's doing it again, also, you know, against SVG. I think that matters. Which proves Bozzi's point, even more.

I'm not going to expand on it. he's doing it, he's beating SVG, and he has a bigger gap versus the field, which is to be expected because the infinity field is weaker talent-wise than the Cup series. That's just, that's just facts. But man, it's going to be entertaining to see what he does next year. And SVG has all of Conner's information. And he's so young. Can you imagine Connor with 20 more years experience because that's how old he would be when he gets SVG's age. Like, let's talk about though real quick. SVG didn't end this, didn't see the checker flag in this exfini race.

Someone at fault here in this Conorzilich SVG contact that ended SBG's race. And it was. The car that wrecked. It was their fault. It was SVG's fault. He didn't give Connor any room to get back on the racetrack. You know, Conner's, he's outside, you know, the spotter, he's outside. Now he's inside.

He's inside, right? So it's the same thing. You run them wide there. You got to give him room to get back on the racetrack. You let, you know, you can't expect the guy to lift for you. And then get back behind you. So I think Connor held his ground, and unfortunately, SVG was, on the receiving end of it.

I would like to see him it played out, but the nine was a sitting duck. He was not going to win the race. The 88 at the time was so much faster than he was. How do you think this injury impacts Connor's season? I don't know. They don't race this week. So he gets that off.

Oh, they're off this week. They're off this week. So it does have that. But, like, injuries that you, I mean, you race with a bad shoulder, but not a broken clavicle last year. Like, can he race? SVG said that he should be able to

he says once that they put that plate in there or whatever it is that he says it feels normal at that point so interesting I don't know he's going to be one sore kit you know the difference yeah I mean but like I said SVG said he did it in 2021 and race and you're still

doing it I'm thinking that oh man he's going to be out because he's you know has all the hand movements right the shoulders moving but I've never had a broken collarbone so I don't know what the recovery process is but it sounds like it's not too bad and let's not remember this is he got hurt early in the year missed a race for an injury

so his body's taking it beating this year yeah welcome to NASCAR yeah I can't believe that what SVG said about this I mean for the average Joe that's me that's you those are not watching on YouTube he pointed it at me

Yep, that's me. I'm the average show. Move on. I mean, you're in a sling for a couple months. I just can't imagine how you'd be able to race compete competitively. But to one of our friend's points, you are going to be turning left for the majority of the rest of the season. And this is his right shoulder. He fell on which one day is.

This is right shoulder. Right shoulder. Yeah. So it would be easier for someone like me. So there is two different styles usually. of drivers, right? Is you have someone who is a pusher of the wheel. So you take your right hand and as you turn left, you're pushing the wheel to the left.

Or you have a left hand down pull person. I'm more of a left hand down pull person. So as I'm going left, the weight on my hands is not equal. Most of the work is being done by the left arm. And a lot of that happened actually through injuries and things that I've had in my in my life it's just now that's just where I've morphed my style to because you know I had to I had to compensate so much when I had my shoulder issues and then even you know with my hand I entered my hand back in like 06 oh 7 like I couldn't hardly put it on

the wheel so at that time I was using the left as well so um just over time I've become a left hand dominant person when driving and so my right hand is just along for the ride essentially. So if Connor is that and he's going to need to learn this other style, he probably just gets better from this. Great. Probably. Yeah. Usually it seems like when he has injuries, he comes back definitely better. And he will be on DBC today. So we'll hear more about from him. Is he? Yep. Is he still? He's still showing up. okay now we're taking the day off

me too yeah anything else you want to touch on from this weekend Austin Hill Austin Hill Austin Hill Austin Hill

he definitely steers with the right I mean I think he I think he covered it well he could have lifted he probably should have lifted but he didn't

um he's just he's just not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the general public, but I'm like, okay, let me just think about this in an unbiased, and I feel like I'm unbiased on Austin Hill. Yeah, you were the only one defending it last time. But even here, it's like he was there, he was outside, but here's what he didn't take into

account is that that is a part of the racetrack where the spotters have no idea where you're at. So thinking that Michael McDow is going to know that you're there at that portion of the track, there's no chance. No chance of that. Let's pretend that this section of the track, McDowell knows that he's out there. Is McDow then supposed to adjust his line and come back on? He's supposed to go to the right. He's supposed to go to the right quicker. So they both swung out, but Austin got the run on the outside.

there's a wall here. What the 11 should have done is hedged more towards getting, you know, you've got to get back on the track sooner than later. It's not, truthfully, it's not that much different than the 9 and the 88 wreck where there was nowhere else to go. I know it looked vastly different. This take, you know, well, I could be very, be making it surrounds on social, but I just didn't, it obviously was not on purpose.

It just was an ill-timed attempt to pass. Yeah. An ill-timed attempt to pass. There you go. And it wrecked a lot of cars. But I can assure you in the car, you're not thinking about, you know, Austin Hill's not thinking about all the, well, can the spotter see at this point? No, he's just trying to do everything he can to make the pass.

and the 11's, you know, not as strong as him at that moment. He's holding him up. Listen, neither one of them were going to catch the 88. So do you have to make that move at that moment of the race? Probably not. You're going to pass them in a few corners or a few laps anyway. So just not the best decision, but not as egregious as the wreck appeared to be. Do you think when you're coming off of what happened a few weeks ago that you should probably just be a little more in tune with what's going on, what your actions could lead to?

Probably. I mean, yeah, you probably should, but you also don't want to compromise performance because you're worried about what other people think either. So it's tough, tough razor's edge there. Okay, now I'll ask again. anything else on this this walk-ins-glen weekend? Not really. Not really.

Take me back to the Roundy rounds. It worked out well last time. It did. It did. You're returned to the scene of the crime. I know. I know. That one hurt.

Physically, emotionally. Gosh, all the ones that slipped away in the last hundred feet. Um, yeah, it was, uh, that was the race. Austin Dillon, RCR showed up and was going to win the race at Richmond and then, you know, knocked the 22 out and took us out, um, right before the line there. I don't know. We, we, we, we, we got to get a little better there. I, I know I've been up front, all the races at Richmond, but we just, we got to get a little better. Got to work on it. Um, felt like we definitely got, you know, beat straight up last year, three passes. Legit was a little better. So we'll see how it all goes, but I'm looking forward to it. I think that certainly going back to that track, lots of tire wear, back to some flat short tracks.

It was good for me. Considering how good Austin Dillon was here at Richmond, do you think there's a chance that we could see a surprise winner, someone from below the cut line win this race? that's not a Hendrick or Gibbs like Kyle Busch maybe if he takes the setup that Austin Dylan got last year and puts it in his car

because he tried something different yes he did you want to update recap our fans on the hoop group opening night last Thursday no I don't think there's anything to talk about we lost our story player in the second half he popped his ankle

by the way I'm getting a group text from our team I think we got another injury I think we got three guys out travel we might get the call yeah not good three guys are out hush says he's got a neck problem let's

not really a needle mover for our team sorry Cush um Brady says he needs to stretch things out. Did you hear how Kush injured his neck? No. He said flying home. He slept wrong, he said.

Oh, come on. Come on. Stop it. Really? We need chip back. If you don't chip, it's over. I agree. This is the hoop group, folks.

And when you say that I'm a talented enough basketball player to be in the hoop group, it's not about that. It's are you someone who sleeps wrong and then can't play a game of basketball the next day? that's what it takes we lost those to recap we we led um i'd say the bulk of the game from middle of the first half to the middle of the second half yeah yeah so half half the game and then uh yeah we had we have one superstar player that scores 30 a game and he um yeah he got hurt and at that point we are scoring stopped their scoring started to continue or get better and we lost the game. So that was a bummer. O-N-1, average shows.

Back to Richmond this weekend. The race is Saturday night, 7.30 p.m. on the USA. Saturday night. Yes. Sunday off. Need it.

On the USA Network. Plus, Richmond, Richmond's always a night. It's growing up, it was a night race. I get it. It's not the best for ratings. Whatever. I love it. I anticipate that this will be a pretty big weekend for you.

First time that the new baby is going back to Richmond. I'm sure you'll have plenty of family. Oh, yeah. Wanted to visit. Yep. Maxed out on passes. Just total chaos outside the bus. Wait, I mean inside the bus is chaos too.

I know. I'm aware. All right. Well, Richmond's up next. Let's go get another dub. We need it. Need it. No.

we want it we don't need it we want it we got to define what what's our needs and wants and we can't be just you know every time we go on the roundy round say well this one we got to have that just not true um we want this one okay and then uh when you try to stay in todd it's now a dog fight between the third fourth fifth and six in the regular season like i could i got a i got a I got to tighten up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's, we let the bells and the Reddicks and those guys back in the regular season game.

Obviously William Byron's, you know, looking really good right now on that. But now we're all fighting for the who's going to get 9 points, 8.7, 6, 5, on and on. And that's so. That's noteworthy. Yeah, it matters. There's a five point, potentially a five point swing here. Right. Playoff points.

Some would say because of that, you need this one. we want this win we want needs means that you you need it in order to survive wants the win needs stage points and a review here from chris f8839 i appreciate the honesty of everyone on this podcast you can tell there's no secret agenda just a desire for better racing it's also a huge plus how informative this podcast is we appreciate that thanks for your review and we'll see you guys after Richmond.