Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - Texas: Going For Broke

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

Denny Hamlin and Jared Allen are back in studio after a heartbreaking ending for Denny in the NASAR Cup Series race in Texas.Denny starts off by telling Jared about being “forced” to go to the Stockyards in Fort Worth with his fiancée and what they got into on their night out. Then, he talks about how NASCAR met with the drivers to talk about short track package and what changes NASCAR is willing to consider in the near term (12:00). Denny also covers how paving has created issues with the track surface at Texas Motor Speedway (19:35) and why Jimmie Johnson is going to have an uphill battle in every race he is in (32:35). Denny and Jared also cover how NASCAR forced a green-white-checkered finish at the end (40:45).Plus, why did Denny decide to force the issue racing Chase Elliott, which caused Denny to spin out? Did Denny think about settling for second place (42:50)? Ultimately, Chase Elliott won and now has the monkey off his back (53:30). Plus, we hear from fans on #DearDenny and talk about saving money on tires (1:04:20)YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimental21+ and present in NC. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 877-718-5543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov.There is one promo code per show and included in the show-specific script – same script and promo code for audio and video https://mackweldon.com/utm_source=streaming&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcastlaunch&utm_content=DENNYutm_term=DENNY Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Do you ever think about the long term that, you know, the path to a championship may first be a regular season championship. I get it. I know. You're right. I'm wrong. I didn't want a wreck. But yes, I'm pained with this Monday morning thinking about what could have been if I just backed off. The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. Hey guys, welcome to actions detrimental post Texas. Giddy Up, Texas. Would you do anything fun while you're in Texas, Jared? Did I do anything fun? No.

You always go visit interesting places. No, we did get there Friday night. I can't remember what we did Friday night. Nothing of note. And I went to the dirt race Saturday night outside of Texas. Oh, that's beautiful. right yeah that's right but you did you did something fun uh defined fun um yeah yes took uh took took jordan in the stockyards and we originally we're just going to go shopping i mean this is how

this is why i tend to say no most times because i know that it's not as advertised um anyone who's in a relationship or a marriage probably can attest to this that you know your wife says hey i just got to run into the store for a minute you know how that goes it's not for a minute it takes a half hour what it doesn't matter what it is and this was kind of like my saturday and so yep we're just going to go walk around the shops well then that turns into we're going to grab some dinner That was probably my idea. So we met up with Charlie and for dinner.

And then afterwards it was like, you know, Charlie says, well, surely we're going to go to Billy Bob's now, right? I'm like, you're not in your head, Travis. You're like, I'm yet to see a bad thing about this story, but keep going. I haven't been to Billy Bob since, I mean, probably my. rookie season. I mean, 2006 through 2008, I mean, I went to Texas. I was going to the stockyards. The place is awesome. So, but I just, I had some work to do on the computer and I was getting tired. You know, after dinner, you're just wanting to go back and, you know, I just, I want to go to bed at this point. It's probably 930, 10, something like that. And, um, so. So, so. So,

So she's like, well, they're going to go. And I've said, well, let them go. And then she says, well, we should at least walk them there. I said, oh, come on. So it's like a block and a half. So we leave. I says, all right, Jordan. We're walking them there.

That is it. We get to the front door. She's like, come on, we should just go in just for a minute. just just walk around it and then we'll leave i promise i promise i promise that didn't work because not only did we walk in there she drug me out on the dance floor and i had to make a lap dancing denny has got to be the only person in billy bob's wearing jordan's i was not besides Charlie besides Charlie

I was not but I did offer Charlie two grand I mean listen this this place is filled filled with a lot of country boys right

and you just know not to mess with it I said $2,000 Charlie you got to go into that couple right there and ask

to break in say hey let me dance he's like hell no and hell know. I'm like, these guys were waiting to fight a to drop of the hat.

Two grand. Would you do it for two grand? I would have skipped the dirt race. It came made two grand. Yeah, 100%. All you got to do is ask to dance with the couple. That's it? No, you got to just kind of wedge in between and say, hey, let me take over. Like, you know what I mean?

Anybody. I can pick my... No, I get to pick which couple you break up. That's tempting. I don't think it would lead to what you think it would. I think it would be a good, good laugh, I hope. I'd never been to Billy Bob, so I don't know.

I don't think you would, I don't think, I think you'd get punched in the face before you got really. Yeah. I don't think you get punched in the face. If then, like, unless you came in there, like, trying to, like, you know, get in front of the guy like I got. Yeah. Yeah.

But if you gave me two grand and five drinks, I'd do it. I need a little liquid courage. I just walk over. Hey, buddy. My guy over there offered me two grand. grand if I break you No, see, automatically that would be a red flag.

If I see you conversating with the guy, like, no, no, no. You have to just wedge in there and say, let me have this dance.

But I did say, hey, if he starts swinging, I'm out. I'm not, I don't have your back. Just so you know. Jordan and I are leaving.

Yeah. So, uh, we did a little Texas two step. And, uh, that was fun. I guess.

Uh, She enjoyed it anyway. So, yeah, it was Texas weekend. We had the trucks, Xfinity and Cup, all on track. I honestly, I didn't see a ton of the truck race. I saw a little bit of it because I was traveling to the race track during that time. But Kyle Bush pretty much dominated, but Christian Eckus, there was a few challengers. I thought that Nick Sanchez and Eckus both had to.

trucks that were faster than bushes at times. I was watching the lap times at the very end. I thought Kyle could kind of just go a little bit harder when he really needed to to hold those guys at bay. But needless to say, Kyle collects his 1,263rd truck race win. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Corey finished second Yeah

He didn't have the second best truck for sure But he just had a good restart There at the end But it was exciting Exciting truck race I thought it was definitely treacherous Up on the high line We saw

It was kind of a precursor What we were going to see on Sunday Which interesting enough Saturday was kind of I mean it was somewhat like it But it was better The high line was much better on Saturday. So Cowbush wins.

Exfinity, the truck race, Xfinity Sam Mayer wins in what a finish, right? Yeah, I mean, another 0.02 photo, 0.02 seconds, photo finish. You kind of saw this one coming from 10 laps to go? I was just timing. I was looking at it

and I'm rooting for Ryan Sieg probably like everyone is, not rooting against Sam Mayer, it's just rooting for the guy that's never won. And I'm watching them, I'm like, oh, gosh, Sam's catching him quick. And I'm like, oh, he's going to be there. And I thought he was fortunate to be able to get back side by side, because when he cleared him in turn three, when Sam did, I was like, well, that's it. And then he just was so close that he ended up getting loose and then got back beside him. But the key moment, in that race I thought was, you know, on the white flag lap, I thought Ryan just needed to get up. The top line was just at that hash marks was just so much faster.

For some reason, the Xfinity cars haul ass up there. The cup cars not as much, but it was, man, he just, he ran kind of the middle of the track. You know, not low, not high. He was just kind of in no man's land. and that allowed Sam Mayer to get a huge run off of turn two, get beside them, and actually clear them into turn three. But what a great finish. I mean, the fun things about those Xfinity cars is that you've got the ability to manipulate

the front car. Like when you get close to the back of an Xfinity car, it kind of lifts their back end up in a way and it gets them loose. So that's the big difference in what our next-gen cars are versus the previous generation 6 car is that the next gen doesn't get affected when someone comes up from behind it's the just the car so stuck that it's it's it doesn't it doesn't get affected so the front car manipulates the back car and next gen where in xfinity it's the other way around where the the the back car actually manipulates the front car and which is why we've seen such crazy racing

in Xfinity over the years. And the platform really hasn't changed either. So there's not been a ton of development era-wise in Xfinity over the last four to five years. Everyone's been running pretty much the same bodies for the most part. Chasys have been the same. So just a fantastic finish there. Was there anything that the 39 could have done to prevent this?

Because me watching on TV, I thought I saw this coming, like I said, from 10 laps to go. Sam Mayer takes off. another 10th, another 10th, another 10th. He's going to get there. And it seemed like Sieg just continued, like you mentioned, was running the same line. Like in Cup, can you arrow block the same way in Xfinity? Not as much, no.

I mean, I thought he made, Ryan Seag made a fantastic move to get to the lead. Like when he took the lead, I don't know, was it like seven to go or something like that? It was about seven to go, and I'm like, oh, man, hell yeah, nice move. And then, you know, he pulled away enough to where it was going to be interesting. Like you said you saw it coming. I thought the same. When he cleared, Sam Mayer cleared, there was enough gap there where you're thinking it's going to be a close finish.

Because you just kind of saw that there was just enough time and lapse and enough speed difference to make it close. But, oh, just a heartbreaker for Ryan Sieg for sure. You just, you never know when those opportunities can come up. You know, obviously super speedways. I think he's one of the better super speedway restrictor plate racers in Xfinity. So he'll have a chance this weekend. And he's part of the dash for cash. So maybe he'll get redemption and get 100 grand while he's at it.

Yeah, his interview afterward, you know, credit to him, he didn't come across as heartbroken as I would have thought considering you're, you know, on the doorstep of your first win and you get beat by this much. He was very calm, collected. Seems like he knows that his first win is coming and will come rather soon. Yeah, I mean, again, you just never know, right? I think he probably was more upset than what he let on for sure, as he should be. I mean, you know, and the thing is when he crosses the line there,

those cars are so close. He can't see whether he's ahead or behind. He has to just wait on the call. And so, oh, just, that's a tough one, tough one, tough one. Another tough one, tough one, tough one is yesterday's race, at least how it ended for you. But before we get there, I have a note here on our show sheet that NASCAR met with the drivers. What was discussed in this meeting? And when was this meeting?

It was Saturday morning. Is that right? Yeah, before practice, Saturday morning. Just kind of going over the short track stuff. I mean, I don't think I'm saying anything that's proprietary or, you know, confidential by any means. But they just kind of went over All-Star stuff, you know, format, you know, what they're thinking there.

They went over some track surfaces stuff. Steve Swift from SMI was kind of going over the update on Sonoma, what's going on there. and a few other tracks, a few other reconfigurations that's on their radar. And then the short track stuff, there's just kind of updating us on, hey, here's what we're willing to change, here's what we're willing to not. And it basically came down to, you know, they're going to really focus on tires and tracks. And tracks, I don't, you know, I don't exactly know what they mean when it comes to focusing on the tracks. maybe that's you know thinking about the tire and how it's made and how it how it accommodates each track but good year was there obviously they hear us loud and clear on what we're trying to achieve

you know the biggest difference with next gen versus gen six is that the the loads are significantly lower than what they were and we talked about this last week but um really on the left side is the big place where we really need to get the, get the tire we're working a little bit more on next gen is the left side wear. So they're going to try to get really aggressive at some tracks. I think they got some tire test coming up. You know, they showed us kind of the schedule of that. You know, they definitely, you know, NASCAR said publicly last week, and they said it to us that, you know, horsepower is just not an option, you know, for various reasons. So, you know, I think if we have, if we're going to keep the horsepower, keep the shifting,

you know, I definitely think if we're going to keep the horsepower, we should definitely, in my opinion, still work on getting rid of the shifting. In order to do that, they're going to need to make the upper RPM slightly higher or else we're going to be running just way too low RPM in the middle of the corner. So I don't know. I certainly think shifting is not helping at all on the short tracks. But beyond that, it looks like we're going to focus on the tires to try to fix the short tracks. How much back and forth takes place in these meetings? A little bit here and there. But it's, you know, drivers are given their input on, you know, what they've experienced, whether be through tire test or what maybe their opinions are of, you know, how to, you know, how to

fix one thing or another, but it's safe to say that I think NASCAR is done with tinkering with arrow on short tracks, which thank God it was never arrow. So I think, and if anything, I think that downforce that they took off of the cars would continue to not help the tire. It just made, it's not wearing the tire. You've got to have down force to wear a tire down. And as we took downforce off while I agree with that main sentiment. It's just, it doesn't wear tires. So it's just kind of a, I think we're focused on the tires. That's what we need to do. Let's, let's see what happens out of this. And I know we said this a year ago, but Goodyear is, they're getting a lot of pressure, I think, from NASCAR to help fix these short tracks and fix them soon. I'm just curious, are these meetings,

are these the, you know, is this where the most progress takes place between NASCAR and the drivers? Yeah. Is this the moment where the most dialogue between the two parties happens? 100%. Yeah, it usually is during these for sure. You know, because you got, you know, the stakeholders in the room, right? Like I said, Steve Swift was there from SMI. I'm sure you had someone there from the NASCAR tracks as well.

And NASCAR and Goodyear and us. So, yeah, everyone was there. Let's move on to the race. To start this, Kyle Larson, won the poll for the third straight week in a row. As a driver, how difficult or how unique is that to have the pole three weeks in a row? Yeah, and on three different tracks, right? I mean, he's doing it on different tracks for sure, and it's such an advantage to do that. So, man, it's hard to do.

It's hard to win one pole, much less three in a row. But when you can do it, you put yourself on a great spot for your guys on pit road. You usually end up with a first stage win. Usually whoever gets the poll wins the first stage because the passing is so difficult as we saw at Texas, especially early in the race. So it's a real positive thing for sure. That's an interesting way to look at this, that a poll more or less means a playoff point or at least gives you a great opportunity. A really good shot at it. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, if you can usually there's, I'm sure there's probably some. statistics to back this up. But I'm sure there's some sort of correlation with the first stage winner. Now, you get some cautions, and so if you get mixed strategy, that really can mess things up. But if the first stage can go without pit stops, yeah, usually the winner of the first stage probably comes out of the first two rows of qualifying. NASCAR fans, FanDULE America's number one sports book is here. And right now, new customers get $200 in bonus bets guaranteed when you bet your first $5.

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There's many chapters that we could begin this conversation. Well, it was, I mean, the track was treacherous for sure. It was more treacherous. I thought at the beginning of the race than it was at the end. As odd as that seems, man, at the beginning of the race, we all went single file and we're all running the bottom. and if you ran up just a little bit, your car would take off. And so, you know, while it definitely was difficult to pass, no question about it. I thought that, I thought we could pass. We did in the first stage.

We drove up there. Even when we got mired back in restarts, we still were able to drive back to the front. So passing was, you were, it was able to be done. It just took a while. And this is, it was hard to pass because the track, it's the stuff on the surface of the track. I actually think that the track is starting to age enough to where if we didn't have that, that old PJ1 or resin or whatever it is on the track, if we had that off of the track, this thing would widen out a lot. and I think that there would be a potential for it to be a, you know, Texas to be okay. But there's a couple factors in it not being okay.

And this resin or whatever it is or this PJ1 needs to be hot to be activated and then it starts to grip up and it goes. So it takes a while in the race for people to get the courage to go up there. You don't want to be the first one up there. because it's ice when it's cold. So the Xenity cars, as I mentioned, they run up top. I mean, that was the most dominant line that they had was above the hash marks. A little bit of difference, though, is they have more travel capability than what next-gen cars do. And we'll get into this later with next-gen.

But next-gen cars, there's a big bump in the second lane in three and four that you all saw it's wrecking around. SMI and Steve Swift said, hey, we don't take, when we pave tracks, we don't go down to the dirt unless there's a drainage problem or some other problem. The downside to that is that this is what happens when you don't go down to the dirt. So Texas was built in 1997, I think.

So the earth settles. So when they were building this track, and building the banking and all that, they have tunnels that get cut underneath, and the soil sinks when they do that. And so over time, the soil settles underneath that pavement, and that's when these get these huge bumps and swells. Well, the reason we don't run up the track at Texas as much

is that there's a giant, giant bump, three quarters of the way around turns three and four that we're all wrecking around. And by bump, you mean... There's a swell. So it goes down and then back up. So our car launches over. Across the entire track?

Or it gradually gets deeper as you go up the track? It's pretty smooth on the bottom lane. You can see the hash marks on the track. Anything above that, I mean, it... You ought to see videos of like a pace car or something riding around the track. Like, it's on the bank and all of a sudden,

it'll just go down. So if you... walked out on the track you could visually see this definitely definitely yeah and so this is why sometimes you have to go down to the dirt is because you're just paving over a a surface that is it's one thing to have character it's the another to have giant bumps and swells in it um so you know when we talk about how can we fix texas i think turns one and two is okay. I mean, if you could just get something

to get that stuff off the track. Like, you would think that's a chemical of some sort. Surely there's got to be some other chemical out there that can eat away at that stuff. Even if it stains the track, like, who cares? The track looks like crap anyway when it comes to the surface.

Like, it's patched up, beat up, and it's sealer all over the place. Like, why not just try to find something that would eat away that old PJ1 because it's keeping us pinned down to the bottom and we've said a million times this next-gen car does not run well on single lane tracks. It needs two and three lanes to run well, which is why it runs so good on mile and a halfs. Like the riddle is very easy to understand. The short tracks suck because most short tracks are single lane. Mile and ass are good

is because we can get away from each other. The cars just stink behind the other cars. it's the same car it's it's the getting aerotid or or you know your grip being taken away is the second car it's still terrible on the mile and a halfs but you're at least able to go somewhere else to get a run on someone that's why the mile and a halfs are better it's this car is still got a fundamental problem to it uh we're just able to get around that by going to a different lane but texas is a huge mile and a half with a very narrow racing surface because of the stuff that's been put on and the big bumps and turn three and four. How do you heat up this compound that's on the racetrack?

Just tire heat, engine heat, things like that seems to activate. Someone has to inch up there for that to... That's what happens, right? Is you just inch up and next thing you know, your exhaust probably is blowing on the track as you go by and, you know, the underside of your car. it gets warmer. You know, you run over it and you just keep inching up a half a tire width each time, and it just starts to get warmer and warmer, and as it gets warmer, it gets more grip.

So how do you know when to inch up there? You don't. I always usually wait on somebody for my spotter to say somebody's up there and breaking even, and then I'll start to go up there. So it's, you definitely, I don't like to be the first, but I was probably one of the first this week, this week for some reason. I just felt confident in going to the middle lane in one and two early on, and we were able to make a couple passes.

But yeah, it was, I don't like to venture up there before anyone else does. So on the topic of the racetrack in Texas, so we're not on bulldoze this thing anymore. It's just a matter of, well, your facial expression says otherwise. I mean, it's a mess. I mean, it really is a mess. And it just depends on what's your, what is your appetite for entertainment. I thought the guys on the tear down,

Jeff Gluck, you know, said it right. I mean, because you saw Jeff and Jordan very split on this. I couldn't tell if Jordan was being serious or not. Yeah, he was being serious. I mean, by the end of the episode, I figure that out. but for the first half, and he was talking about his love for this racetracker, maybe just the opposite of Jeff.

Yeah, but Jordan vocally says he's always team chaos. Whatever just causes the most chaos. He's not, I don't think he's a purist in that sense of like, well, you know, just because it takes out everyone that makes it a good race, like because there's a lot of cautions.

That's what Jeff and Jordan were arguing. and Jeff was like, I mean, come on, Jordan. Like, really, are you being honest when you're saying, like, Texas is now great because it just had a bunch of wrecks and stuff? Yeah, it's just, what is your level of entertainment when it comes to this track? I think that it's close. It's close to being okay. But we saw, you know, if you ran in the high line,

I mean, most all the wrecks came from someone running up in the high line. it's just treacherous and it's we haven't reapplied anything to that surface in years now and it's still there that's crazy it hasn't burned off that tells you how much into the surface that stuff is but like I said there's got to be some some sort of acid or something that will eat away at that stuff to make it to where you know we can start to widen the track That's the only way that Texas is salvageable is if you just find something, maybe fix that big ass hole in turns three and four that we keep running over and wrecking off of. I don't know. If you do that, then it's maybe okay.

But I thought, you know, when you look at the stands, I thought the stands were filled up as good as they've been in many years. So at least, you know, it looks like the track team did a good job promoting to get people of this race. As a driver, is that frustrating racing on a track that maybe promotes more luck than skill? Is that an accurate assumption? You know, I mean, you look at the finishing results. There were some lucky people. There were some people that got lucky with that last caution. Well, they went long.

The caution came out. got to pit and it flip-flopped the field. And the reason that it flip-flop the field is Reddick got out to such a huge lead during that run. And then I had it such a big lead over third. Like we were, when we pitted, we unlapped ourselves, the caution comes out. We all, you know, there was about six of us, maybe less than that, that were on the lead lap when the caution came out, even though other cars hadn't pitted. So then all those cars that were just desperate. If you look at half of the top 10, these were cars that were all day. They were terrible.

And the reason that they decided to stay out is because they had no other choices. They're like, this is my only chance to get a good finish. And they lucked into it because a caution came out. So yes, luck plays a factor. But if you look at times of the race, the three fastest cars, really the four, the 11, the 5, the 45, and the 9 stayed up front for most of the day as well. Like, they were in the front. And so it wasn't by luck.

They just, they kept, those cars kept driving to the front. Now, the 5, you know, had his issues and then he wasn't to be seen again. But generally speaking, yes, luck plays a factor. It did in the finishing order of some of these guys. we're running in the 20s all day, just got lucky with that green fly caution. But, you know, it's not luck if you spend out sometimes because you chose to go up there like I did on that last restart. I knew going into turn three, I'm going down back and I says, I'm committing. I'm going to commit to not lift. I know the chances are at best 50-50 that my car is going to stick. It hadn't

stuck all day and I was far less gas entering turn three so I just knew that if he cleared me it was over so I guess we're jumping I mean we can but it I mean there's a lot of wrecks to talk about but I mean they're all happening you know by people fighting for the bottom we saw that with uh Ryan Priese Ryan Blaney I that one kind of didn't make a whole lot of sense because I thought they had entered the corner and priest just had way more speed than he needed to have at that time when he was running behind Blaney got in the back of him sent Blaney. That ruined his day. Blaney was actually going to be pretty strong as well if you were kind of looking at his lap times. I mean, Bell lost it up there. Michael McDowell lost it up there. Jimmy Johnson? Yeah, I didn't see Jimmy's.

did he did he wreck again i believe jimmy was the first person to lose it up there yeah it's uh it's difficult it's gonna be difficult for for him and that whole team just to how much is it the way that the card turns it's just different and so he's just not used to it turning i think it was it used to be the back front back tire right and now it's the front right yeah what he was saying he said in the media center that he drives he's been so used to driving off the right rear um what he's he's saying there is he drives a loose car and he's he's he's been driving a loose car and so that was the

interesting thing that uh to go back in time a little bit that was different between him and jeff gordon jeff gordon actually drove off the right front i am a person who drives off the right front as well um which means i just like generally a tighter car if i'm going to miss the corner i want to know that i'm going to miss it the right front's going to slide before the right rear that's generally um how i like my cars. But Jimmy made a living and then some, a Hall of Fame career on driving off the right rear. He

drove his car really loose and it just, it was fast in traffic, it was fast by itself. You know, really typically the looser you can handle a car, the faster it's going to be. Kyle Larson is probably a guy that drives off of the right rear as well, which is why he's so fast.

Tyler Reddick does that as well. So I think that it's just a difference in style and with these cars not having any rear side force you can't get them sideways so where jimmy would be loose and driving off the right rear the car would start to pitch sideways and like almost start to spin out but the car had so much grip once it got sideways that it would kind of correct itself well these next gen cars don't have that when they break sideways it just it goes uh because of you know the the the rear quarter panels are really

rounded where the cars that he was driving years ago were very flat on the right side. So he just doesn't have that big parachute to hold him like he used to. Right. The way he drives the car, there's less margin for error. Yes. Then, right. And no practice. And it's really hard to adjust that, I'm guessing. And you're driving stuff. Yes. Yes. He's facing a uphill battle for sure. I'm just wondering with this racetrack and the way the race went, there were multiple times

during this race where it seemed like you were out front, you were controlling the race, everything was working in your favor. Is it frustrating or how does it feel knowing that this is probably going to get turned on its head and maybe if we have the best car right now, we're not necessarily going to be there at the end because of the way cautions could fall? So I was asked like when Kyle Larson had its problem, I think Jeff Gluck asked me like,

what were you thinking that moment? And you were like, oh, great. This is, now, now it's wide open. I mean, yes and no. I knew that at that point, I thought that me and him had the best two cars. The first stage, I could just tell. On speed, you know, I drove to the front. I drove to the top three.

And then I could see Kyle in the front, but he never really ran away. And I was still in somewhat of traffic. And I'm like, oh, my car's, fast where this is going to be a five and eleven deal here before the end of this day he had his trouble but i said no i'd rather just i'd rather just beat him you know i don't while it makes getting a win easier for us if he has problems you still want to just beat him outright i mean it's it's more gratifying i mean it's maybe that's an ego thing um but but yeah i mean i thought that it was shaping up to be that way. I thought in practice, you know, I was actually pretty, pretty strong

considering, you know, how I usually practice. You know, if you try to look at my times in practice, you're very underwhelmed most weeks, but in the race, we always just show up, show up strong. But he had his problems, and I'm thinking at that point, oh, like, at this point, I need to just manage this race. and if I manage this race correctly, I'm going to be in a really good spot. That's kind of what I'm getting at is that the track doesn't necessarily allow the driver in the lead to manage the race.

Yeah, I mean, when I say manage the race, it means manage my risk, honestly. That's what it means to me. But your biggest risk in this race has nothing to do with how you're driving. Sometimes. Right. You're correct. So what happens is when I, get when my crew chief says, all right, we're going to pit.

You're going to be about 11th here. Yes, I'm paranoid. And I almost got caught up in a couple incidences because it's like, I need to go here. I need to be aggressive to get back to the front. But I also don't want to take a risk. And knowing that I've probably got the fastest car now that the five is out of the pitcher, like I just want to make sure I manage my risk and don't run too high, right? Don't run too high too early.

don't put my car in a hole that it barely fits in because I know I've got a certain amount of time to get back to the front before the end and I thought we managed it perfectly. You know, I'm sitting there with, took the lead back over with 20 to go and I'm just cruising. Chase, I just passed him. The six was coming, but I was running a pace just to stay in front of all those guys. I definitely had a little more left in the tank. So that's managing a race to me. And so while winning second stage would be great, like I didn't get any stage points because

I was just being a little timid on the restarts because I got put in a couple bad spots. And I'm like, I want to win this race. I don't, while I want to go get some stage points, like, I want to win this race. I'm going to do what it takes to win the race and put myself in the front after that last pit stop. And that's what we did. and I thought that we had clear sailing. I mean, the field, you worry about cautions right after cautions, but we had 15, 20 laps or so, and I passed Chase back for the lead.

He got me on the restart, I think, because I was just being a little timid, you know, don't get loose under him, don't make a mistake. So he took the lead on the restart. Before you get to that, though, so Ross wins stage two, and he was back. up there at the end. Could you have... He was back up there at the end only because he stayed out so long

on that Green Flag cycle. And then when he did pit, he took two tires. So he knew that if he took four, he was going to be way back, probably nearly a lap down. So he chose not to take four, take two, and then he stayed out from there out. So they combated the strategy that works

you know, they went long, and then instead of them having to go back and then use those new tires to march back forward, he's like, well, I'm not going to march back forward. Just take less tires and then let's see how the snuts out. They got a caution so it worked out. Yeah. Back to the finish in your situation. After Chase takes the lead and then there's a subsequent restart, did you think that you were going to be able to get back around him starting second on the restart?

on the outside? I did if they didn't run so many faking laps under caution. Like, I think that caution happened and there was like five or six laps to go.

It was like eight or nine to go. And I'm like, well, you know, yeah, because you're right. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, okay, it comes down to, I think if I've got two, three laps,

I will, if he clears me, if he controls a restart, clears me, I'll still have, if I have two or three laps, I'll get back around them. I mean, that's my irrational confidence, but that's what I think will happen. But when we go into a green-white checkered, it's all about who clears first. Whoever clears first is going to win the race. There's just not enough time to build momentum back to get back around. So that's why my sense of urgency, you know, was to, was to,

mad it in turns three and four and try to keep stay beside them but yeah i i damn it i just i'm so frustrated because we're in every single week we're in a we're like gonna win we're we're so fast every single week i think we've led every race the season and not like bullshit led you know happen under caution where like we're leaving laps like legitimate we drive up there and we lead and we're contending. So this is a really, really, really fun year for me so far, because every week I know that, like, I'm one of the top three guys on speed. But damn, two weeks in a row of not getting the finish we deserved. And this is certainly, this one's on me for sure. And in hindsight, yeah, I should took second. But,

damn, I mean, I just, I want to win. Like, the extra five bonus points was just worth it to me. an extra sticker on the side of the car is worth it to me. Getting number 54 is worth it to me to like take that chance. But you said it was 50-50 that you're going to be able to get that and that it hadn't worked all race. The track was starting to grip up because there was more shade in turns three and four as the day went on and the line started moving up in turn four. So more guys started feeling comfortable running the higher line in three and four.

So I'm just thinking maybe there's some grip there that has. hadn't been there for me all day long. But, you know, I got in a weird arrow spot there as well. When Chase started moving up and I was right there on his right rear quarter panel, it's just, that's a pretty loose arrow spot, and it just combated all my problems. On the previous restart, if it didn't go caution, would you have regained first place over Chase? He had the, he wasn't first on the previous, the scoring loop. Yeah, because I was on the bottom.

And Chase wasn't that strong running high line in three and four anyway all day. I'd noticed that. And that's one thing that you kind of pick apart is when you're racing certain guys, you see what their strengths and weaknesses are, and you see where they want to run, where they don't want to run. And while I hated seeing that Ricky Stenhouse caution, and I watch that caution now, I'm like, God, Ricky, like, just keep it straight for 10 laps.

But I guess he was trying to run in the back of the 54 or something. They were playing grab ass back there for 20. I don't know what the hell they were doing, but I mean, it's frustrating. You're going to go off with Ricky tomorrow, by the way. I know, but, like, damn, keep it straight for the last 10 laps of the race. But, I mean, it's just, what a difference, right? What a difference it makes in the results that one caution happens. And you go from, I'm definitely winning this race to I finish 30th.

And by the way, I'm going to take over the point. lead while when I do it it's now I'm 28 points back in third with a 30th place finish so right but it just sucks but it also wasn't the last right isn't is then is then so then yeah spins out like there's another caution I know I know but it's where he spins out when I know but I expect those cautions after that after the Ricky caution because you're within 10 laps to go people lose their mine and they go three wide, four wide, and that's where those other wrecks came from. So you know, you expect them. So I knew it was just going to be a crash fest the last 10 laps. But, but damn it, we had it. We had it until we didn't. But yeah, I thought I was in a

good position to answer your question because even though, so I had that restart, I was on the bottom. And it's where I was the strongest on restart. So, you know, you. even though Chase was beside me on the outside, he got a really good push from the one, and it allowed him to just hold beside me in turns one and two. And when the caution came, he was that, you know, a little bumper ahead. And I was like, damn it, now it's going to put me,

I have no choice but to take the front row. So this is going to put me in the, I knew no matter what, I knew I could stay beside him in turn one and two, but three and four is where I had problems. and I just struggled to keep it side by side in turn three and four all day. And so I just was between a rock and a hard place there

in my positioning. And so when he took over control, the restart because of that photo finish when the five spun and it took away the control that I had, it just, it was just bad. It was not good for me. Do you think that the green white checkered was, intentionally set up or

it burned a couple extra laps under caution to set up that type of finish? Say that again. Back after Larson spun. Yeah. Which was with eight or nine to go, maybe seven.

Do you think that a green white checkered finish was set up and y'all burned a couple extra laps under caution? No question. We burned too many laps under caution. I mean, there were no safety vehicles on the track.

They didn't open pit road. I don't know what they were doing other than just winding laps. Maybe they were under commercial. But, but I mean,

damn it. Like, when the track is clear and it's ready to race, you put out one to go and they didn't do that. And this is just sour grapes speaking here. But, you know,

it's just a matter of how those last, it just the sense of urgency changes and it's like it all comes down now to this restart versus even if I don't get them here I've got another chance

to get them I just knew and agree my checkered it was I had no choice we should have gone back racing with like four to go but we did not we just ran under caution for no apparent reason there was no reason to be running under caution

unless they were they needed I don't know why they would have been under commercial because they had 15 other cautions. They could have got all their commercial breaks in. Was there another, you look back at the restart going into three and four there with Chase, if you inch ahead of him on the back stretch or get a nose out ahead of the nine, can you drive down a little deeper? Do you have a little bit better grip? Yeah.

Yeah, 100%. And I mismanaged when we were beside each other there. I think he did a really good job of managing his run into the corner, you know, the speed relative to me. There's a certain way that you want to be side by side when you enter a corner. And certainly when I nose to head off a turn two, I knew that, I'm not going to be ahead entering turn three. So I think he managed it well.

I didn't. And then I just was desperate in my attempt to try to stay on that right rear. So, yes, it really matters. Had I been able to enter turn three nose to nose, then I kind of, the outside car controls how low he wants to push the bottom guy. But the minute Chase started getting a little bit clear, he's going to just start coming up the racetrack and saying, all right, the whole racetrack's mine, which that's a good strategy.

me. So it just, it put me, we didn't make any contact. It just, it put me in a air of spot. And I just, again, said for a thousand times, I couldn't run the high line and didn't all day. Was there any thought in the competitor in you that was just like, you know what? I'll, I'll take second. I'll take, you know, a good points day. I'll concede this. I did. Or it's just like, I want to win this race. No, I thought that I'm like, second's not bad. I was thinking that. I was sitting in my pit stall and then banging hammers on the back of my car. I'm thinking, well hindsight, yeah. Boy, second really would have been nice today.

Did you have that thought pre-reck? No, I did not. That's what I was getting at, Travis. Listen, I saw, I saw this wreck coming five minutes before it happened. As we're running, I mean, that's my job as a driver, right? Is to think about all the scenarios and what it's going to take to win the race. and I'm thinking my first job is I need to get a good restart and be beside him in turn one and two. Second job is I need to be totally beside him and entering turn three.

So we need to be nose to nose. If I'm behind him, he's going to wash up and then I'm in a bad spot. So I thought about all the scenarios and I thought about, well, what happens if I'm not ahead? head. I said, you know what, I'm just going to trust it. I'm going to, I'm going to sack up here, and I'm going to try to run higher than I did all day. I'm going to try it. Reddick was making it work. He hauled ass at that point of the race. He's run way up there. So I'm like, maybe it's, maybe it's possible. It's just, I'm going to try it. But I nearly busted my ass a few times. And so, I just thought that what do I you know do I race conservatively here or do I do I do I do everything I can to get this win and just knowing that winds are hard to come by generally speaking I said I'm just going to do whatever it took and and I was willing to deal with the consequences but I can tell you once the consequences came I had second thoughts right like do you ever think about the long term that you know the path to a yes champion

I know. First be a regular season championship. I get it. I know. You're right. I'm wrong. I didn't want a wreck, but yes, I'm pained with this Monday morning thinking about what could have had, what could have been if I just backed off. But I don't think the fans want to see me back off. They love it when that number 11 was backed up to the fence. Like, you know, they want to see us go for it. That's why they reward us five bonus points for winning in the playoffs, right? Is they want to see us put it down and go for it. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

And it didn't. Yeah, you gave them a treat. Not only was the 11 backed up against the wall. Oh, man, but the nine crossed the start, finish line first. Yeah, and I was thinking about this when Jeff and Jordan were talking about the good race pole. I'm like, surely that combination of me crashing and the nine winning is worth 10 points. I thought Jeff undershot it. I thought for sure.

He said 77% I think. I thought for sure that was too low. I said in the car that people would say 82%. It's looking like it's coming in lower than that. It's sitting at 74 right now. Yeah. But it's never been above 70. And by the way, just for the record, Jordan is cheating by these straw poles.

Jeff is right. But can't Jeff do a straw pull himself? Why do that? The whole point is to guess based off of what you saw, what you feel the fans will. You can't ask, you can't ask 50 different people how many candy corner in the jar and get a rough estimate based on what they think. Yeah, it's just, that's, it's unethical, Jordan, Bianchi. Unethical what you're doing. I think, listen, we need to talk about the winner.

Chase Elliott back in Victory Lane after 42 race. winless streak, and I only know that because I've seen it in every headline. 42 winless streak snapped. I thought, you know, when they asked me after the race, well, does this make Chase a championship contender? I'm like, yeah, I need to think about that. But I would say my answer was, well, I thought that he's been improving all season long. He's fourth in the points right now, and he didn't just appear there. after this win.

Like, he finishes really well. Now, had he been leading laps like his teammates this season? No, he didn't have the wins either, but he's been there. He's been in contention. So I think that wins like this could definitely lead to some confidence that could lead to even more success. you know chase

most of chase wins i think had come on road courses and not ovals um it had been documented he hadn't even had a top five in the next gin on a intermediate track so not only did he get his first top five he got his first win and he drove it to the first win like it wasn't he didn't do it on strategy or fuel mileage or anything like that like he made a move, right? He passed me and the 45 on a restart,

went three wide bottom, cleared us, took the lead. Now, I took the lead back from him because I thought generally our car was just a little better, but then he got us on a restart, and then he held those guys off for the win. So that's a legitimate race win. And what that does for a driver's confidence is I can't tell you how much it helps.

Because now he's like, okay, this is how aggressive I have to be. This is what I need out of my car for it to be fast. You start to understand all those things, and next thing you know, these wins start just reeling off. And so absolutely I would consider them a championship threat because if you look just at the numbers,

there's two organizations right now winning all the races, and it's Hendrick and Gibbs. So if you're part of one of them, you should be winning. Here's his, last race, is first, third, fifth, sixth, sixth, eighth, So he's starting to really find it. Yeah, he's, you know, he's finding, he's, he found a way to win, you know, which that's, that's the hard part.

You can get good finishes with fast cars. We obviously know he's got a fast car, but the winning part is tough. It is really, really tough. And I think that he, he did everything he had to do to win the race this weekend. And that goes a long way. It is interesting, though, that Travis. Travis brings up those stats that how much leading lapse plays into the psyche of someone and thinking this guy's having a great season or just an average season. You know, the fact that

Chase hasn't led as many laps as you, I feel like plays into that the eye test of like, oh, well, you know, Denny's having a great year, whereas Chase is not having as good of a year, even though statistically Chase may be having a better year than you besides wins. Yeah, you know, what's interesting is we had a little sit down with Kevin Harvick with all the JGR drivers. And they asked Christopher Bell, why do you feel like you're overlooked at times? And he says, because I don't lead laps like my teammates. You know, I don't, I don't, while I do win races and I do run up front, you know, what people talk about is who's controlling the race? Who's showing that they're the best?

It's style points. It's style points. It's like a football team winning by 30 or they're kicking field goals at the end of the game to win. And he's like, you know, so he says, I think it's somewhat warranted because we don't, we're not up front as much as, you know, Martin or Denny is. And so he's like, I think that that plays a role in it. And so you can't argue like someone like Christopher Bell's results, right? He gets results. I think even William Byron

Does it feel a little bit of the same way Where he wins races But he doesn't dominate him Sometimes he's just like there's an accident He just is the one that's able to take advantage of him And he pops up there Just interesting enough After I wrecked I first of all

I was looking for the scoring tower To see who was running where I couldn't find the damn thing They took it out I don't know what the obsession is With taking out scoring pylons down. So Bristol

we used to have we used to have so they have the big video thing right but then they used to have a like a round video board on the bottom of that centerpiece that would have the ticker

the ticker of who's running where now you only see like the top eight and then we also had video boards up on the suites at Bristol they took those out Watkins Glen we took out the scoreboard

on the front stretch I can't make sense of why they're taking out scoring pylines at these tracks well in recent history if other NFL teams other stadium bills are saying anything

the more screens the better the bigger the better the more screens that's my whole that's my whole point in that I guess I heard that so they put a new video

board up on the back on Big Hoss. They had new screens, which it's very clear. Great job, by the way. But that being your only source of scoring, well, you only see the top eight. And then when they scroll, you might see where your driver's running every five minutes. You think they'd want to keep, especially with gambling now being more legal, like have that. So like in race betting and all different things. And is it just me?

If you're sitting in the stands, you got to have pretty good eyesight to see the running order, no? I mean, I've got good eyesight so I feel like I can see it. But even in my bus, like I can see the video board. But even with my really, really, really good vision, I can, it's not clear as day. And I'm halfway to the screen compared to where the people sitting in the stands are. So I don't know why we're taking out video boards. One thing I noticed as well, did they take out the yellow caution lights? we used to have the caution lights on the fence

do y'all anybody remember that at texas i think bruton put in all these yellow caution lights and green lights on the flag stand and on the fencing as well we would always at every track not not like the box

you know where we have the box every 500 yards like there used to be um caution um light marker on the front stretch, back stretch, everywhere. But we've taken those out as well. So, but I've seen this at multiple tracks. It's not just my tracks.

I've seen NASCAR tracks as well. They're taking out scoring and video stuff. So I'm not sure what's, what's, why they feel like that's a good idea. I think, like you say, Travis, the, you know, arenas nowadays, you can find out the score just looking in any direction you want to see. But now it's. You got one place to find it. Right.

Anytime we debut a new arena or there's improvements to arena, like there's social media posts around the screens only. Well, we have this 32 by 64 screen, and then there's this one, and this one will show this. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I think certainly we got some gains to be made there. But, um, but, hey, it's, uh, overall, it was a interesting weekend.

we had two, well, yeah, we had two good finishes for sure. I'd say, you know, the truck one was kind of getting close. We had the point zero zero two in the Xfinity series and then Chase Elliott wins and Denny Rex. This should be a fan favorite weekend. What do you think this wind does for Chase and just the stress and like the monkey off his back kind of thing? It certainly is, I think it'll be big. I mean, I talked about the confidence aspect, but just the monkey. off the back, yes. You don't have to answer the questions of, well, when are you going to win? It's been over a year now.

Like, the clock resets. So certainly, you know, you buy some time there. But, I mean, a team like Chase Elliott and Alan Guffington, they got much bigger dreams than just winning one race in a season. So, you know, we saw how excited. I don't think I'd seen Alan that excited in quite some time on the pit box. So this is a, this is a, this is a, big win for them.

I wonder how hungover Dawsonville is this morning. Oh, I don't know. Did they sound the siren? Oh, yeah. They did? Did they have to hook it up to a car battery to do it? Yeah, they had to jump that thing.

They had to jump it. Unused. That's awesome. Can you believe this is the first Hooters win in my lifetime? Wow. Yeah, I guess Al-Kewicki was the last one to probably do it, huh? Yeah. So, yeah, that was cool.

It was great hearing his story talking about, you know, hey, you know, paying homage to Alan, you know, he used to race against my dad. He actually beat my dad in a championship the year he had the Hooters sponsorship. So you definitely could tell it hit home for him and his family. So yeah, it's great to see. I mean, I saw as well like McDonald's when bubble won, not long ago was their first time in Victory Lane in decades, right? And I think Kyle Bush said real tree had never won, that's hard to believe with all the connections they had to RCR during the heyday of Dale Earnhard and Kevin Harvick, that Real Tree hadn't won as a primary. So, you know, definitely getting some of these sponsors in Victory Lane for the first time.

It's great. Yeah, it's fascinating. Just because, you know, sponsors have been on a car for years and years and years, doesn't necessarily mean they've been to Victory Lane like you would think. Dear Danny, we've got some questions that we want to ask. I got a lot. We need answers and we need him fast. We tried to ask Junior, but his answers were lame. And with DBC, it was more of the same.

Now we're caught on you because you're our only hope. This ain't the race track, so maybe you won't choke. I got one dear Denny for you this week. Do cup teams usually have unused sets of tires left at the end of a weekend? and if so, should NASCAR reduce the tire allotment? The limited sets and trucks and Xfinity are a major storyline most weeks, yet this doesn't seem talked about as much in cup. Should they limit the amount of tires?

I would say no, because I don't know that you want it to be, to, you know, that be the differentiator. I'm more of a fan of actually having different compounds and letting the teams figure out when they want to run them. Listen, we've got to get one good compound first before we start diving into multiple. But interesting fact, and I had to call a phone a friend on this one,

give credit to Chris Gabehart on it. I didn't, you know, as a team owner, we always kind of look at costs and everything. And so he gave me a, staggering, staggering fact that I did not know. So when you say we go to Texas this weekend, they give us eight sets of tires. If we use six, we don't get a rebate on those two. Now, I knew all this, but I'll get to the staggering fact.

So we do not get reimbursed for those tires. You can use them if we take that tire to another track. So for instance, the Texas tire is the same as the Kansas tire. So we could, if we have a leftover set, you know, $2,400 a piece or whatever they might be, we don't get, we can't just turn them back into a good year and get a refund. They tell us you're buying these sets of tires and they're yours now and you can do whatever you want with them. So at the end of the day, what we do is we have an extra set, we will put them back at Champion and they will take them to, they'll put them in inventory.

And so if we go to Kansas, say, let's say we go to Kansas next weekend or, you know, we likely would tap into that extra set and say, okay, we're going to practice on those tires. But if Kansas is three, four months down the road, we're not going to want old date coats. So we're not going to want older tires because they do they age rubber ages and it changes compounds and it it it's funny when you get older tires. It's just you don't that can really mess up a car. So it just goes to waste. And you know, sometimes you can work with some back marker cars and sell them to them to try to reimburse some of your costs back. But. Jared, do you know how much JGR had extra tire inventory in the first year of next gen 2022? How much money worth of tires was spent and never ran? Do you want me to make an educated guess because I know the answer? I know. You're supposed to act like you don't know the answer.

Oh, I don't know. $100,000? No, you were wrong. Nearly one million. Nearly one million dollars worth of tires that JGR, the team spent on tires that it never ran. That is incredible. So a quarter of a million per car.

Yes, sir. So we keep talking about cutting costs, cutting cost, cutting cost, how about we just get a refund for the tires we don't use? Like, Kim, they go back in the recycling bin, Goodyear, please take them back. It's just wasted money. And holy I didn't realize the number was that high. But man, we got something new. We need to start advocating for. And that is allowing us to return our tires we don't use. Put them back in the mixer at Goodyear and remake the tire for later down the road or something. But holy shit.

as much money as we spent on tires, a million dollars worth of unused tires. Holy crap, talking about helping the race teams. Help us there. Because that is a waste. I think you were stunned when he said it because you had him repeat it, right?

You couldn't believe that number. I couldn't believe it. But he says in 2022, first year of next gen, that was how much they had in unused inventory in one year. So that's pretty crazy. So yeah,

it's on you. When you buy them, they don't, you know, they don't care whether you use them or not. They've got the purchase and you have to figure out how to either use them yourself in a future race or race weekend, which never happens because you don't, if it's two or three months down the road, before we use that compound again, we're not going to use them. They're just too old. They're going to be slower. Or you have to sell them to a team in the back that really doesn't care about speed that much. Right. But you're kind of forced to buy these.

You can't just, you know, you have to buy it. Someone who gets in this podcast and be like, well, how about you just buy less tires? Well, okay, within 20 laps to go, we need a pit for tires. We don't have any. Like, that's just, yeah, that's not an option, folks. Sorry, everyone buys the maximum set. Now, why don't. Why don't they? So I was under the impression, actually, that Goodyear brought all the tires to the track every weekend, which is why those Good Year trucks are there filled with tires. They bring the tires. They bring the tires. to the track every weekend, and then they distribute the tires to the team. So if on the Texas weekend, each team gets nine sets of tires, they distribute those nine sets of tires to the team, and then they charge them for whatever the cost is of those nine sets. 2400%. And then if all the teams only use eight sets, then they would just take back those set of tires and that seems logical, Jared, but that's a good. Great business strategy for good year.

No doubt. You buy it, but you didn't use it. Yeah, I mean, when you think about that's for one team, $250,000. Now, not every, not every team has that much unused inventory, but let's just say it's 200 grand times 36 teams. Is that $5 million? And we haven't wasted money. We haven't had a guest on this year.

and Travis has asked a couple times in the chat in our group texts, you know, who Denny would like to have on. I think we need to have a good year representative on. These are just general questions I'm curious of. Like, why don't they sell these tires to the teams? Because they can make money, Jeremy. I mean, I get it, but again, it just seems like everyone. I'm trying to make money.

I don't know. It doesn't seem like this is fair. We're progressing the sport forward. word if everyone's trying to one up each other. I don't know. No, I mean, it's a point for sure. I mean, we're we keep cutting this, cutting that, cutting this, cutting that. But that is, that is wasteful money for sure. And it seems like there could be, there should be a better solution than just saying you're, you know, you didn't use it and you're stuck with those tires. Sorry. You figure out how to get rid of them. How much would that $250,000 per car make a difference

at the end of the year on your team's budget. We'd have $250,000 more that we wouldn't lose. So I'd save $125,000 of my money. I don't know what to say yet. Yeah, every little bit helps. I mean... Could be spent on bonuses for employees, improvements in the shop, all sorts of... I mean, lots of things.

How would you invest it in the sport? That's what they want to know. Yeah. it's that's something that was eye-opening to me and now it's got my mind scrambled all right well um that's pretty much all i got we got talega next um it's a crapshoot i don't know what to say i used to say super speedway racing was not a crap shoot but just seems like more and more hopefully we're not talking about fuel mileage hopefully we're not talking about you know but that typically is i know it's super three way racing's changed now

that with this next-chin car. So we'll see how it all plays out for sure. You know, look forward to it and seeing, seeing what happens. Where do we race after Talladega? Anyone know? Dover. Dover? All right, cool.

Back to tracks I can win at on a regular. Dover? Yeah, you got Dover, you got Kansas. Oh, yeah. Wheelhouse. You got Charlotte coming up. You got Darlington. Ooh.

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