Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin - That’s Bulls*** Racing

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Denny Hamlin and his co-host Jared Allen are back after a week off to recap Talladega6:00 Spire and Rodney Childers part ways12:00 Homestead to host 2026 NASCAR Championship15:00 Why teams were against “run what you brung” at All-Star Race30:30 Should Ross Chastain have been black flagged?37:00 Toyota’s plan to push it vs Ford saving fuel41:00 Was Denny to blame for the Bell wrecking Buescher?46:50 Austin Cindric punches his ticket to the Playoffs53:20 Joey Logano not happy with Cindric1:01:20 Denny wants to race at a superspeedway in the Xfinity Series Dirty Mo Media is launching a new e-commerce merch line! They’ve got some awesome Actions Detrimental merch on the site. Visit shop.dirtymomedia.com to check out all the new stuff.For more Actions Detrimental content: https://www.youtube.com/@ActionsDetrimental FanDuel Disclaimer: Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets which expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I don't know why in NASCAR, if you can have someone black flag for forcing you below the yellow line to stop them from passing you, why can't we stop the guy that is swerving at 150 miles an hour when the pack is coming at 190 who's trying to cause a wreck? The following is a production of Dirtymo Media. I believe that I've been in a competitive for 20 years. Opinions from tonight's podcast strictly biased. you're going to hear from my point of view. I'm a fighter. No, you are not.

The spoils a victory for Jared Allen. He's got better luck than Rick and Drake to win. I know, you do. Two trophies missing from your collection, a championship and the most popular driver. Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yeah, and I've already said it. Hey guys, welcome to action.

It's detrimental. I'm Denny Hamlin. Driver the Progressive Toyota this past weekend. my co-host, I haven't introduced him in a while, but his name is Jared. He used to be Red Vest 311. What were you this week? Red Vest 330.

Why were you Red Vest 330? So after Bristol I got a new backpack. And I, my vest. Was it a gift or like you wanted to get a new one? It was a gift. It was a gift. It was a gift. And I moved all my stuff that I needed for the off week

into that new backpack. Red Vest 311, not being one of those things. People saw my off week. What was your off week? I went out to Utah with some buddies. We went camping, backpacking, climbing. An adventure week.

Sounds riveting. In Utah. It's great. It was great. Up until the last few days? Yeah, the last two days were kind of tough because we started up in Salt Lake City and Moab, which was about 85 degrees in desert weather. Then we went south to Bryce Canyon, which was about 10 degrees, 15 degrees at night.

So camping outside in 15 degrees is whether you're prepared for it or not, it's a challenge. That'd be my kind of night, though. I cannot get a cold enough. I mean, I love it. I'm freezing. Well, 15 will do that. Were you prepared for it? 15, be a little rough time.

I was, I was, yeah. Like, my sleeping bag was very prepared for it. I had plenty of layers. But it's just like, it's not comfortable in any way, you know? Yeah. And camping is meant for, I learned this more, that camping is meant for back sleepers. Mm, good point. So if you're a back sleeper, laying on the ground is easy, but I'm a side sleeper.

So, like, it's just, I don't know. It's just not ever comfortable. Are you both sides or do you? Yeah. Like every hour you switch, you know? Yeah. Hmm. Well, that was, uh, your off weekend of the fans are, your fans are wanting to know, uh, what you did.

Uh, obviously me and my family, we went down to, uh, Palmetto Bluff. I believe it was. Um, down South Carolina brought my parents, uh, my sister. sister, the kids, and whatnot. It was great time down there. It's just fantastic. Jordan put a picture in the, you know, we have a shared album, an iPhone album. And there's like a family photo of you guys all eating dinner.

And it's like the stepbrothers photo where Dale and are, they get their picture taken while they have food stuff in your mouth. And you're like, it's bad. Like mashed potatoes. Oh, thank God. Your dad loves the fish. No. My dad doesn't like to do anything. for work on cars.

Oh, I just saw, it seemed like a lot of content about fishing. I just, you know, he's not in the greatest of hell. So I was like trying to figure out, well, what can we do that like is kind of right there near the house that we rented? And there was just like this, this tiny little pond. What you saw is what you got. There was just this tiny little pond. It was part of an inlet to that area. And so we went to the recreation area, got some fishing poles.

And they said, hey, if you. catch anything, you know, to just, you know, take a pick of it because a buddy of ours is a big fisherman. And if he catch anything worth seeing, let us know. And I mean, he threw his line in. It must have been 10 minutes. He caught a major bass. I mean, I don't feel like I'm underselling it when I say it's four and a half, five pounds. It was big. It was legit, a big bass. And so then we spent the next day just trying to catch a, another one and we kept having these baby alligators like trying

to snag our worm on the way in so they would just kind of troll right around the dock where we were at and so my dad just kept look at an alligator look at this alligator and like he would just kind of take the bait and like

you know tease the alligator with it well finally one of those alligators got a hold of it and so then we're thinking well who's going to put their hand in there and get the hook out and so dad said I'll grab them because I don't know. I just, I wasn't sure the strength of them. I just, I just, you know, I wasn't going to put my hand down there to grab him.

But he grabbed him. He says, all right, get the hook out. I said, all right, so I grabbed the pair of pliers, get it out, and he goes about it's day. It goes right back to trolling the worms, though. Like he was not phased one bit by the hook in the mouth. So I got my fish a day later. it was not as big as my father's but that was a great moment for him he sent it to all his friends they were all really entertained by it so that was cool it was a great weekend off

you know we we only get one of these a year so it's you got to enjoy it and certainly I had a lot of fun well we went to Talladega this weekend we had some off-track stuff that was kind of in between the two one one that wasn't on the list, obviously, was riding Childers and Spire splitting. It was interesting to see it happen so soon. I thought that the results of the seven have improved. Now, I think that the team itself had made improvements year over year, so some of those results might be a little misleading.

But generally speaking, the seven's been, I thought, more in continuing. this year. Obviously, Rodney has been really a game changer in the gen 6 area, the Gen 6 era. And before, you know, when he really could, you know, kind of put his fingerprints on the car, I felt like he was, you know, certainly one of the best crew chiefs to ever do it during that time. When it came to the next gen, obviously the results weren't there as much, but there's just so many other factors that go into it. You know, you're with Stuart Haas, when they're beginning to close

and, you know, how much effort are they putting in? Obviously, your pick crew matters. Everything matters, right? And so it's hard to really speculate that, you know, it's just a him and a car combination problem that doesn't seem to work. But it's certainly, the results haven't been there over the last couple of years,

but it's just, it's too hard to point fingers on one finger or another because, you know, everything is so small and the details all matter. And Rodney is a detailed person. So it just seemed like a culture thing more than likely. I don't think it didn't seem like it was a performance thing that much. You know, I think that people come with big expectations. When you put a big name on the pit box, it's, it does come with some high expectations. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, heard an interview. One thing that kind of just rubbed me a little bit, you know, kind of the ick was, you know, an interview I heard with him in Sirius XM. This was in the offseason when they had like a spire day. And Rodney came in and just like, yeah, just kind of, you know, they're talking

about like, how are you, you know, meshing with the other teams and this had it, spire? And he's like, ah, just kind of keep to myself. And, you know, we just had a meeting. just to have a meeting, I think. And I was like, oh, like, you know, that's, it's not the, not the best way to kick this thing off, for sure. But it just, it ran its course. Nine races in, her 10 races in. So, you know, both felt like they had to go in a different direction.

Do you think he finds his way back into the sport next season? I do. I think, you know, there'll be teams that, that won them. I don't be surprised, really, if a team is, struggling mid-season and wants to make a change. And you know, you look at what's the best available and maybe you could bring someone in. It is hard in the middle of the season because you don't have that time in the off-season to kind of get acclimated to the team that you're going to. You kind of get jumped right into it. So that part would be difficult. But still, I don't,

I don't think he'll sit on the sidelons for so long. I have a question. And this may, you may not know being you're not at spire but crew chief contracts i know in other sports if a coach gets let go that the franchise still owes them what's left unless they get another job and then that contracts voided or it gets taken off yes of the amount that they owe you is taken off of what your current job would pay would that be similar for a crew chief yeah it should be um so that can maybe hinder some teams wanting to get him midseason or something right is they don't want like why pick up this extra money yeah i think it just depends on how dire your situation is probably more than likely more than likely right um and then for rodney what it allows more than likely is

uh the ability to be patient um and pick and choose kind of what might be the best scenario for you um being that you're getting paid likely anyway just because you're involved with two different race teams, 2311 and JGR, how much different do you think the cultures are at these different race teams? Like, is everyone like in a team-based culture at this point where we're all kind of pushing, well, I'll put our chips in the one. Everyone tries to create that culture. It's very, very hard to do. Every team still does run differently. You know, if you look at 2311 and Joe Gibbs racing the two teams that I'm closest with that I walk in one door, walk in the other on the same day, they are still built wildly different, very, very different. And you're not saying one's better

than the other, for sure. But it is different. Again, a lot of it is because we came in late to the game, right? We've only been here for a handful of years where others have had, you know, they've had to go through many, many transitions of different cars and, you know, all kinds of different stuff. And they used to have these, this department or that department. Now they don't have that. Now they have a bigger quality control department it just all has changed over time and with us coming in late we were able to kind of build something you know a little bit smaller that was really focused around well what what does what do we need for this next gen car uh championship going back to Miami in 26 yeah it's um that's exciting um i certainly believe that um it deserves

to come back. I really hope it's part of a championship round. I would love, you know, it'd be awesome if it was like Phoenix, Vegas, Miami. Like, that's the championship round. And then every year it just rotates which track is the final. That would be fantastic. You got a short track, an intermediate, and then the super intermediate. it, which is the homestead that, you know, it's, is wildly different than anything that we run.

So that would be ideal in my world. But I know that financing, you know, Jordan Bianchi reported that, you know, NASCAR is doing this, regardless of kind of the financing that comes from the city itself, which is good, that they're certainly putting a priority on, on the competition and, you know, changing things up. I think it does get a little bit stale sometimes when you continue to have the championship, the final championship race in the same place. Hey, this is Dale Jr.

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Does it have a gimmick in there? Yeah, but it's not super gimmicky. I understand, I hear some people talk about, you know, like, oh, this is just all we need is NASCAR to open up Pandora's box. So, you know, they can throw a caution whenever they want. I mean, it could be worse. I mean, yeah, I mean, we know it's coming. So you might as well just plan for it as a team that, okay, between laps, more than likely,

you know, if we don't have a caution between lap 175 and 220, they're going to throw a caution. So you might as well just bank on that. So this is the promoters caution for those listening if you're not aware. Right, right. Yeah, so the team at SMI, Marcus Smith and group are able to choose when they throw away caution. It's a 250 lap race, but they have to throw it before lap 220. And then if there's a caution after lap 200, then there will be no promoters caution. but what I'm more interested in when we when we talk about all-star format is that the team shut down this idea of run what you bring

idea that now run what you bring it I know it doesn't make sense the idea that was put on the table sounds better yeah I mean there's I tried to contact and I did make contact with a few of teams on what they're reasoning for agreeing or disapproving this thought or idea. Generally speaking, if you're just talking to me, the race car driver, and the fan, I'm going to say, damn, I wish we had this. This would be fantastic.

There could be possibly something that gets learned for the short track package that could make it better. You know, the thought of having cars that are different, beads than each other is fantastic. That means passing will be more plentiful. There's a lot of positives that could come from that. And I know Jeff Gluck had a massive rant last night on the tear down about the teams, talking about the money.

But it is a reality that everyone wants to. wants to go have fun and do all these things, but who is going to pay for it? Let me tell you from a 2311 perspective of why I believe that this was not a good idea for us. And this is also backed up by another three-car organization. I talked to one of their owners as well. and then I spoke to another team as well about why they approved or disapproved. But from our perspective only,

and I'll only speak to ours, is that we're going to destroy three of our cars to build this car, right? Let me destroy three of your cars. So under the rules that were kind of put in front, it was like you have to use next-gen parts, but you can do whatever you want. to them. So what we're going to do is destroy every piece and part of that car and make it lighter

or something. Like we're going to modify it. We're going to bend the chassis. We're going to do all types of things to this thing that will make it illegal at any other racetrack that we go to. We've been very, very transparent in the fact that this car cost over $300,000. Okay, do the math real quick, okay? If I put my three cars on the racetrack and I, just to build this wild illegal car, I'm going to destroy it. Now I lose one car out of my fleet. So I only get seven cars per door number. So that's three cars that are wiped out of my fleet that I'm not going to get a replacement for because it's not, you only get a replacement car if the car has, you know, damage to it if you wreck it and you know you got to show nascar that it's wrecked it's bent it's

whatever and you need another chassis um that's that's i can't afford to lose that out of the rotation we used to have 14 we okay just we used to have 14 cars um now we're down to seven right the whole cost cutting thing is to shorten up how many cars we have in our stable so yeah can you ask for another chassis sure but i'm going to spend a million dollars just in parts in pieces. We haven't even developed anything yet. So just in parts and pieces to replace all this that we're going to modify, we're going to spend a ton of money. And it only pays one million to win. And people say, oh, one is paid one million to win for 30 years. For 30 years. It's not that cool anymore. Like, even if one of my cars won, I don't see this is even remotely a

break even proposition. And for those who, like Jeff Fleck, that complain about, well, all you talk about is money. It's because the teams don't have enough money. This is what we're fighting for. This is what we've been talking about. If you continue to lose money year after year,

why would you just raise your hand and say, sure, I'll take another million loss. Give me a million. I'll take a million loss. You can't do that. It's not sustainable. So it's not possible under the parameters that were set in front of us. And that was that do whatever you want.

Now, if they tightened it up a little bit and said, you know what, I'm just throwing hypotheticals and I'm trying to do it on the fly here. But, okay, there's no right height rule. Or you can run your body wherever you want it. Then now we're talking, right? We're not modifying parts. We're not, you know, in first of all, ball, I don't have the CNC machines and all these stuff that the Gibbs, Hendrick,

and Penske's have. There's only really three teams that have all the resources to go manufacture or modify parts. So we would have to go to Big Brother and say, hey, would you mind why you're doing those? Can you make three more sets for our cars? That cost, I couldn't imagine what this would cost us. More than likely, I don't know, two minutes. I don't know, two million dollars, it just doesn't make sense, guys. I trust me, as a fan and a driver, I wish we could do it. But under the parameters that were set, it just wasn't thought out enough. It's just not feasible.

It's not feasible and no team is going to sign up to voluntarily lose millions of dollars. Okay, that's fine. But you guys are also always complaining about this spec car that you have, right? So if NASCAR comes to you. But we didn't design this car, Jared. Right. I'm not saying you did. But NASCAR comes to you and says, let's do a run-what-you-brung thing.

And your teams, you guys can bring whatever you want. That's kind of, isn't that NASCAR opening the door saying you guys can almost create this race? So couldn't the teams just say, well, wait a minute. Having this completely open box is not fair to everyone and we don't want to spend that money. But then couldn't your teams get with each other and say, well, let's like just alter this part or just affect the ride heights or whatever is. You're going to trust every team to follow these unwritten rules, Jared? That sounds fantastic in theory. But these guys are all a bunch of freaking cheaters.

All we're going to do is try to find the best, like, what is the most cheated up thing we can do to this car? I mean, that's just the way that it's going to work. And more than likely, here's the thing. Who's going to keep us honest on that? Well, then clearly winning the million dollars is a big deal to you guys. If you can't just put that aside and, like, try to come up with a better race car, or a better racing product for one race.

If the million is important enough that you guys will cheat for it, then... It's not. It's a little bit about winning. You know, but it's not about winning the million. It's not losing two. That, you know, that's just...

But you can set your own parameters so you don't lose to. You can't set your own parameters because NASCAR more than likely wasn't going to have any officials at the racetrack to do the checks and balances. Right. It's kind of like it's on the teams

to set their own checks and balances, if you will. It just, that's not the way competition works. Unfortunately, I mean, you know, when it comes to competition and sport, you're going to do whatever it takes to win. You see it kind of the whole Shador Sanders thing this week. Like these people think that the teams colluded to, you know, not draft them.

Yeah, right. These NFL teams are selfish as shit. Like, they're going to do whatever they can to win because that is the deal for them. I don't know. I wish there was a, I do think where we're running the ride height of our cars on short tracks is really, really detrimental to them handling in traffic. Could we just get rid of that? say hey you can run whatever spoiler whatever you can run the card at whatever ride height you want so

if you want to put the back end a foot up in the air go right ahead like those are easy enough things i mean it's not easy i don't make i don't work in the shop but it's things like that that you could do that would make the cars look different run different and maybe you learn something for the next gen going forward. But it's a project, honestly, that NASCAR needs to invest into getting better, not us. We've already invested in this damn thing.

When did this proposal, this idea, get brought to the teams? Like, did you guys even have enough time to like... I was notified about a month ago? So is that even enough time for you to like, because you guys have focusing on all these other races too to like spend time building this one car?

Like, is that even like a... So, so you know, what my reaction was, is that when they, I was just like every race fan and everyone else, is when they said that to me, and they said,

hey, they're talking about doing a run what you brung for the All-Star. I was like, oh, sweet, that is going to be sweet. And then my team says, hey,

this is, here's the side effects of that. Here's what we're going to spend. And I'm like, I can't do that. Can't afford to do that. So it's just, triple the prize money.

Let's do it then. I just feels like a missed opportunity overall. I don't disagree with you, but you can't just pay the same for the last 30 years and say, you know, we're going to open it up and you can spend whatever you want to win the race. It's just, it's going to be an arms race of whoever's got the most money they're willing to spend and actually have the resources to do it.

I mean, you know who those teams are. I agree with that. Inflation's a thing. You should be getting a raise. a couple of years to keep up with it. Yeah. Anyway, Jeff Gluck's rant was good. Having him almost dropped the F-bomb was hilarious.

No, he did. He did. And he didn't even, he didn't bleep it out in the one I saw. Maybe it was live. Well, yeah, he did it live on YouTube. So obviously the podcast afterwards is has the bleeped version. Got it. One other thing that I had on here before we get in Teldaiga, I saw last week

when we're talking about the racing generally speaking this was kind of off the where do we race Bristol Bristol right I saw Carson Horsesbar and he was like trying to help and saying

what if we just went the other way instead of going soft tires what if we went harder tires like to make us all just kind of out of control and whatnot he says make their tires really hard so they have no grip in our heat

sensitive rather than wear on short tracks on short tracks um there already are heat sensitive now and they already don't wear um so that's kind of what we have it says every time we go softer cars are going to get better and better be able to manage the wear and then because they're softer we go faster and if it doesn't wear then we end up just going faster okay that that's so that's a great point there yes if you go softer and there's no wear, that can potentially hurt passing. But he's saying the worst case scenario. And that is, well, we're going softer, but we're still not getting where,

which I agree, and still needs to be more. And he says, when he recommended going harder tires, here's fundamentally where I think that that is wrong, is that you have to have mechanical grip for the car in the back to pass the car in the front. If you rely your car strictly on arrow, it's whoever has the cleanest air. So what we're trying to do with these softer tires

is put mechanical grip back in the car. That way, when these cars have a lot of grip, and as you're talking about, it's mechanical grip, and that way you're not as affected by the arrow. And what happens when you get put the hard tires on is that they need a really high saturation, number. So it's hard to explain this, but let's just say a hard tire needs 2,000 pounds of load on it,

pushing down on it for actually to grip the racetrack. What we have found, and I know this because I've been in the sport for 20 years and gone through all kinds of tires, is that the harder we make the tire, the higher that saturation number is. So the more load that that tire needs in order to grip. Well, when you get behind somebody, you don't have that load anymore. So what does is the tire just skips across the racetrack and that's why you see in in car cameras and whatnot cars get behind each other and then boom they'll take off like you'll see them just kind of it's because the tire no longer has that load pushing down on it and it's not gripping the racetrack anymore now it just skips across the track right because when you're behind a car the air is

lifting the car up off the track exactly right so that's why we need softer tires to when you get behind somebody, that saturation number to load it is lower, and then that creates the rear car not losing as much grip when it loses arrowload. So that's my reason. I just thought it was an interesting tweet, and it's, you know, Carson like everyone else is just trying to come up with some sort of solution of how we can fix the short track stuff. It is still some of the tires responsibility. It's mostly the car's responsibility. We haven't, you know, move the needle on the car yet, so we're trying to band-aid it with tires. That's where we're at. And in my opinion, that's why hard tires will not work. It's just you can't, you won't be able to saturate them enough

in traffic. Well, fortunately, we're not talking about tires this week, because tires could not matter any less at Talladega. Right. Yeah, I think we could have ran a whole race on them. So that was, that was one thing. It was certainly a strategy. field race. You saw the strategy of the Toyota's on the day was to just haul ass, you know, screw all this fuel mileage stuff. We're just going to go lead the race. Let the chips fall where they may.

And it, you know, it worked out in stage one. Now, there was a caution where we didn't really get to see exactly where everything was going to cycle. But that, you know, it was a net gain for us there. But at the end of the race, I don't know. I mean, it's a difficult situation. because we had the track position. We didn't take on that much more fuel than the cars that netted out in front of us,

but through the cycle. Now, you can just, through the cycle is a, is a table full of categories in which you got to be fast at. Like, did we all do not, do we all not do a good job entering the pits? Did we all do not, didn't do a good job in the pits or accelerating? Like there's a lot of factors that come up with why you didn't cycle back to the front. But either way, we netted like a second or so, maybe a second and a half behind what the lead cars did. Now, that was, yes, aided by Ross Chastain roadblocking the track.

I don't know why in NASCAR, if you can have someone black flag for forcing you below the yellow line to stop them from passing you, why can't we stop the guy that is swerving at 150 miles an hour when the pack is coming at 190 who's trying to cause a wreck? Well, he's not trying to cause a wreck. Is he be in it? No, no, he's trying to get you to check up and then cause chaos. Get you. Get you. tagged from behind just cause chaos. Well, he's just trying to, like, slow you down so he can have a better position, right? Because otherwise, you're just going to blow by him. Well, there's a reason why we'd have a merge rule when you leave the pit area. You can't just leave the pit area and turn right onto the racetrack.

Why is that? I don't know. What are they saying the driver's meeting? Okay, use your brain here. Why, why when you're leaving the pit, pit area at 55, can you not just turn right onto the racetrack? Because you're not up to speed with the rest of the car. Okay. So why is it because it's an unsafe condition? Why is it safe to say that someone running 20 miles an hour slower can just swerve in front of the pack and cause it?

I don't know. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I don't know. Yeah, but I think the problem is had Denny not made the move, we would have this massive crash that would have been awful for the race. Sure, you would have. Yeah, I guess I'm just, I'm a little frustrated by it because I've seen it getting a little bit out of control. And I would like to see, I would like to see something be said about the unsafe merging that the teams are, that drivers are doing intentionally to block oncoming cars that are approaching them. Like, they're not up to speed yet, right? So they're, they're, we got this line of cars going. And so they just said, okay, I'm just going to swerve back and forth until somebody checks up or gets crashed.

I just don't, I don't, that's, that's bullshit racing. Does that make? I mean, sure. I, I'm not disagree with you. But did any driver get out of the car and say, hey, that was bullshit, Ross, what you did there? I, I did. But I said it to him. I didn't say it to the media.

Okay. What did he say? You know, I just threw a theoretical at him that, you know, rolls reversed. You know, if you had a decision to make, which is, you know, if I threw that block on you and put you to a decision, what would you do? Would you lift or would you say, Denny? Sorry, you made a stupid ass block. You got to pay for that. That's what I hate is because, you know, if HOSAR would have done that to him,

he would have this long talk and had the hot and he acted like high and mighty. Yeah, I mean, that's, I don't have an opinion on that, but I believe the rolls reversed. He would have, he would probably just run into me and I would think he would run into me as he should and say, dude, I didn't make you swerve. I was running my lane with the pack of cars that was on the racetrack. You tried to merge up into a lane that, you know, that wasn't there. So I just think it's bullshit racing.

And I think, you know, I guess you got to just hold it down. And, you know, if you cause a wreck, hopefully you spin them out and don't, don't wreck yourself. That'll be hard to do. But at some point, I mean, I've gotten caught in wrecks and finished so horribly lately on these super speedways. It's like, what do I care? You just got to, at this point, just cram it in there and say, sorry, it was. your fault, not mine. Yeah, I'm watching, I'm watching the replay here.

Do you think the Toyota's get back to the front? No, I don't think so. I just don't think we had enough steam to get there. I thought that we could probably get somewhere inside the top 10, but it, not really. At what speed is it okay for him to do, like, how do you police this? Well, at what speed is it okay? I mean, I think you can use common sense. Like there shouldn't be a rule.

It just should be common sense of like you can see. Let's see. At the end of stage one, the Hendrick cars were coming, I don't know, five miles an hour faster than me. I was in the middle lane. And it was like, okay, let me, if I go up here and try to block this, it's just going to cause a huge wreck. And I'm more than likely going to get wrecked.

So I'm not going to block them. That's not worth it to me. I'd rather just take my finish, which is pretty good in the stage, and live to run another lap. Like, and that's only five miles an hour difference. I mean, we're going. That's not that. It's significantly. I don't even think that's a good example, right?

Because it's like a train of cars that didn't pit with you. That's clearly, you can see it in every Talladega, Daytona race, whenever the situation arises. There's a car, a slower car on track, and this train of cars is going to blow by them. and like didn't Suarez do it a few years ago and got got wrecked last year it's been a track house thing yeah yeah

where the lap down we're just like it you know we're going to just swerve and let you guys figure it out it's just to me it's an unsafe pit exit no different than why we have to run the apron all the way to turn two

until we get up to speed but I don't know it's certainly frustrating and it's It ain't ended bad yet, but it will next time that happens. Outside of that, what's your thoughts on this race as a whole? Everyone I watched within the sport enjoyed this race, or was in favor of what we saw yesterday. It was okay.

It was an okay race. I think that certainly the Toyota's made it better by at least trying to run wide open and run as fast as we could and say screw the fuel mileage game. The PAC tried it. The Ford's tried to block the field. If you saw at the very beginning of the race, they went four wide and then just kind of stopped all the lanes.

Yeah, that's kind of their strategy is to do that. And it's been really effective for them, is to just kind of logjam the racetrack to where, you know, even if you wanted to go, there is nowhere to go. So we were, as the Toyota's, were able to show. chuck out a few guys here and there to get to the front of one of the lines and then we went ahead and went to the lead went to the bottom ran as fast as we could and and obviously it worked out for us at the end of stage one but you know if you would have just seen three and four wide

racing just nobody really going anywhere i don't know how great that would have been so it was probably made better by the toyota group that decided to actually race for the entire event. But overall, I don't know. I just, I'm very biased because I know how it used to be. And I'll just be one of those old grumpy men on the porch, you know, saying get off my lawn saying it's just, it is not what it used to be.

You know, when I cycled back out and I saw that I was 20th, there was nowhere for me to go. My team says, all right, you're a little short on fuel. So I'm like, well, okay. Can I get there? Yeah, you can get there. Even if I wanted to go, I couldn't, there's nowhere to go. It's two by two.

You cannot pull out a line with this car because of how much drag it has. So that's why you saw the Hendrick guys just pushing. I heard him saying on TV, Lars is backing up to get a run. Where is he going to go? He's on the bottom line. The two cars covering the bottom. You can't go anywhere. You can't force middle.

You can't. There's nothing you can do. So you just stay in the line that you're in. And it's super speedway race after super speedway race It's just going to be constantly a battle over who can get in and out of the pits the quickest. That's it. That's all this game is. And Penske has done it better than the rest.

But that seems like it's appealing to a lot of people within the sport from the commentary that I watched. Like the tart was in favor? It's 40% no. Yeah, who are you saying like I watched the Tarts podcast? He was in favor of this racing. What network was that on? You know the answer to that question. Well, why don't you answer it?

NASCAR. Okay. Moving on. Like, talk to, like, I don't think fans were overly thrilled. Yeah, I don't think so either, Jared. We're two by, you can't go anywhere. Yeah, I don't know. Somewhere in Dirty Mode, there's a clip three years ago, me saying,

we better address the Super Three Way package. I know it ain't getting any attention, but it's not good. You can't pull out. Can't pull out a line. So we just run two by two at the end. That's what we did. It's just a, you heard Kyle Larson say it.

We're just going, half car length here, half car length here, half car length here, half car length here, half car length here. No one can go anywhere. But that four wide race... So it looked exciting? Jesus. Wow. You're like Jordan Bianchi.

I don't know. It's, I, I so wish I was able to just, just make quick changes. I would saw off the spoiler to be half the size. I would cut a horsepower out and say, go racing. Scott Graves. Got to get, got to get fucking drag out of these cars. Scott Graves is curious if he can file an insurance claim with Progressive.

Do you know anything about that? He can. Call it flow. Call flow. But unfortunately for RFK, it's a one car maximum. them and it looked like they needed three claims yesterday. What happened on this, on this C-bell wreck that took out Chris? And racing, I don't know.

We were running 177 miles per hour is what it said. So we're not even up to speed. And I have for forever, when I'm the fourth car in line pushing or inside, I always push the car all the way until turn three after a restart. and I have done that for forever. And it's never been a problem. And it just spun out to 20. So what does that mean?

I don't know. We're not up to speed. Like what is that? Yeah, so usually when you're not up to speed, you're able to push more aggressively and you're able to stay in contact in the corners. So when the cars are fully up to speed, you can do it,

but it's very, very difficult to push someone in the corners because you're on the edge of grip. So you're running fast enough to where the, cars, it's planted, but it's not, it's not fully planted. Like, for instance, in the 2000s, when you watch Super Speway racing, a lot of people said, hey, I used to, I watched the 2004 Talladega race during the off week and whatnot. If you notice there's a gap between all the

cars, that's what created huge runs. And it allowed you the space for Dale Earnhardt and Dale and Hart Jr. to dice between lanes because they would hit a gap, boom. You know, they get a run. go to the next lane. Hit a run, go to the next lane. Now we're all just pushing, push and push, push, push, and there's nowhere to go because we're able to run so close to each other because the cars have a lot of grip. Well, when you're accelerating, to go back to where we started, on the restart, you're going about, I don't know, maybe 130 entering turn one. So the car has massive grip. It's not on the edge of out of control at all. So you can push that car up front. And usually all the way, you're going to until you get to turn three, that's when you got to let go.

Because now you're up to 200 miles per hour. They're entering the corner. They're going to be on the edge of grip. When I say the edge of grip, it's relative. And that's when you need to release the car in front of you and get off of them or else they'll spin out. Well, usually when you're going through turns one and two, and especially as late as the start finish line is at Talladega,

where it's more towards turn one, we're going actually slower off a turn two at Talladega than what we are at Daytona. So in Daytona's a track, certainly, it's very easy to push someone nearly all the way around. Now, there's a difference in when the tracks were paved and whatnot, but that, you know, it is a factor. So what I'm saying is that Seabell should have been going slow enough and we should have been going slow enough where he was able to take a slight push all the way around the track. and so when he went around it wasn't like you know i can feel when i'm into the back of someone like how hard i'm into their bumper and i felt like i was barely there just you know when i like to bump draft i don't bump draft i like push draft so i i always slow down get to their back

bumper and then shove them forward i don't i never really like to like hit them and knock them forward So I got on this bumper, laid on it, and just stayed on that push all the way around. And then next thing you know, I turned his ass right to the infield. So it's on me. I mean, I told Seabell, I'm like, dude, I'm so sorry. He's like, dude, I don't blame you. It's, that's what we do. I was like, I said, I still feel like it's my responsibility, though, to look out for your back bumper.

Like, as the pusher, you are responsible for the car. in front of you. And so it's on me for that reason that, you know, I needed to be aware at the first moment that I saw his car twitch. That's my problem. I never did see it Twitch. Is that the moment you see that person starting to get out of control, you got to give them, you got to let them get the back of their car back settled. And I just never saw it. And it was unfortunately at a part where it looked like, you know, it was a vulnerable spot from where we have banking on the track to where it flattens out and I just spun them out. So is there anything that you learn from this going to the next Talladegas down the road? Certainly I'll be way more

sensitive. I mean, it made me gun shy the rest of the day on the push drafts that I was doing. It just, it did. I was like, yeah, one maybe is an accident. You can't, if you do two, like in one one event, like it's, it's not going to be a good look. So I just, yeah, it was a little more apprehensive, uh, rest of the day. It seemed like I could push forwards. They were a little bit more stable when I pushed them versus others. Although the 77 seemed when I was pushing them pretty stable as well. But when I got behind Toyota's, it was, and I didn't feel great with people behind me either. So it's maybe it's a thing where we just got to get our cars a little bit better. Yeah, is it the shape of the nose at all that matters? I'm not sure. I've never really had an issue with it. And we've run

this body style now enough on speedways where I've been able to push a lot more aggressive than that but it just I don't know it just was a unique situation that I hadn't seen before especially running the speeds we were running. Austin Cindrick wins he locks himself into the playoffs which is huge considering the points penalty he had just a few weeks ago at Coda NASCAR didn't suspend him gave him 50 point penalty and now he's in the playoffs with win. Yeah, but he could have been without those points if they suspended him. Right. And then we would have had a waiver situation. Yeah. Yeah, I heard them talking about this on the tear down. Yeah, I get it. Um, and it, and it just is so dependent on who you are.

Like, do 50 regular season points matter if you're Shane Van Gisbergen? No. Um, does it matter if you're William Byron? Yes. you know what I mean? Because it affects where you're going to be at in the top 10. So it's just the problem with the Pilates is it's the magnitude of it is that it's different for each person. So I believe that, you know, if you do this right rear hook thing that we talked about, and I said at the time, I think it is significant. He only averages 20 points per race anyway, or 22 or something like that.

I saw the stat. So it's more like a two. race suspension for him. But if he goes and wins a race, then it becomes a mute point. So maybe at that point, maybe you just say it's 10 playoff points. Just, you know, no matter who you are. So it's 50 regular season points and 10 playoff points. That way you're covering all your bases for everyone at that point.

Right. I guess it's not really a surprise winner, though, because you gave Austin his flowers on Super Speedway racing on this show. many times. Yep. Yeah, I think that he does a really good job. You know, their team itself does a fantastic job on and off the pit road. The drivers do a great job saving fuel. They know how to make runs when it comes time for that. So yeah, I believe that, you know, he's got the perfect scenario right there to be good at it and he takes advantage of it and he is. And then lastly, Lisa News came out after

the race winner was obviously declared, but Joey Lugano and Ryan Priest disqualified for two separate issues with the crime. I think Joey was missing a pin in his spoiler. Yeah, it appears that I think this is correct, is that there's like this

L bracket that holds the spoiler to the deck lid. So you have a spoiler. Let's just pretend this is the deck lid. I'll show and tell. There's this L bracket that keeps the spoiler from deflect down when you when you run high speeds you know obviously that thing can get pushed down so it keeps it in place well one of the bolts that holds that l bracket i think had came out and so

the side effect of that is it if it if it's not anchored to one or the other the spoiler itself could deflect itself down um inadvertent or not that's that's that's why i'm wondering if uh cindrick was a little nervous when they were caught win that there's something going on with the 22 car you know what i don't think the the the pesky team could get out of press relief quick enough that we're not we're not appealing everything's fine everything's fine just let's move it on moving on let me check the rest of these bolts right so if something comes out they're saying well you should have had it tight in properly and so it doesn't matter if it was during the race yeah it doesn't matter um if you remember the i think rodney in the four car

had like three windshield bolts missing out of their front windshield. It doesn't matter why. There's no reason they should come loose. And then Ryan Priest also disqualified from his second place finish. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure a few of the NASCAR podcast will kind of break down exactly. Bozy will be all over it? Yeah, what it was.

So I'm not sure he had like two shim instead of three or three instead of two. Is that? Yeah, that sounds... I don't know. But it's something that has to do with that area. Again, most all penalties that you're going to see coming on a Super Spui is because the teams are

trying to do everything they can to get that spoiler out of the air by either deflecting it from the front or making it invisible from the rear. Because that's how the car goes faster. Anything else you take away from

Talladega yesterday? No, not really. I just, I didn't think there was any surprises. There was no big one. That was surprising. It was, but I just think that it, you know, since we had those green flag cycles,

that it, that kind of promoted more the, where are we going to cycle out? Once it gets too wide, the speeds go so fast that it's hard to really get a third lane going at that point anyway and nobody is willing you know they've seen what happens when you pull out a line um at the end of these races to the third lane just it it goes nowhere so everyone just you know if you're 18th last car on the outside lane you just know that that's where you're going to finish that day it takes some sort of um and it happened on the last laps there were some a few guys that were starting to sputter and run out of gas so that created some disturbance in the

pack and so there's a great video of bubble wallace going from 20th to 10th on that last lap and it's because the pack became disturbed there was gaps there was holes to to hit um that's what we used to have all the time because you couldn't run that close to each other um and and push as much as you could now so um yeah i just think that this is what you got once you get in line once you cycle out wherever you're at on that after the pit stop that most likely without a crap that most likely without a you're going to finish within two to three positions of whatever that spot is. Yeah, this onboard camera above it just looks like he's going faster than everyone else in front of him. Yeah, so what happens is the car sputters that's in the middle of the pack.

He jumbles up that. They start spreading out and going all over the place. And then it creates a little chaos. But then within a half lap, everyone gets their shit back together and gets back in line. So, oh, did you all see the Joe Ligano rant? Yes. Yes. What is it about these Penske guys that lose their mind?

I mean, he just, he just ripped Austin a new one. And he was wrong. I'm not saying he was right. I'm just saying like, these guys are hot under the collar. So are you conscious of when you're mad knowing not to press the button because of how social media is now? Like, do you ever have these moments or like why is it just done? I don't know. I don't want to seem like I don't care, but I don't care as, I.

you're going to the end of a stage and like he lost your mind because the two didn't put you know the two checked up right the two checked up like

I think that rant is only warranted if like the two car pushes the other guy by you is that making sense like the teammate pushes them by then I think you can say what the hell you know Cendrick

why did you do that but then you kind of let it go but he was just going on and on, and it's like, he thought it was just a given that he was going to win this thing if Cendrick would have done his job properly, which Cendrick said,

I was trying to do my job properly and not wreck your ass. I don't know, man, these guys, they got some wires crossed when they put that helmet on. It's wild. It's just, it's, I don't know, maybe my intensity's just not quite where it needs to be.

I can't imagine getting that to the Ross block on the race. radio at the time. I mean, what am I going to fix by airing it out? Personally, on the radio. Don't save it for the show. Don't react on the... I mean, you're not going to fix anything at that point.

But does it just make you feel better to yell? Sometimes. But I don't know. I think that I've learned over the last 20 years that, like, there's certain times for it not because what it does is... You know, does it, when they have to go into their meeting on Monday, Tuesday, now are they going to have a one-on-one talk? Yes. Like, who wants that?

Like, it's just, I don't know. Like, you know the person's going to hear it. Like, I don't know. It's different for every, different strokes for different folks. Let's just say that. Unfortunately for Joey Austin got the last laugh. And then Joey got Duked. And then Joey got DQ.

So, tough day. Oof. I got a review here for. from Eli on Spotify. I love the show and hearing it from a driver's POV. Hate to say it, but it's made me a DH fan. Well, appreciate that. Thank you for that review.

This is a five-star from Eli, right? It is on Spotify. Oh, fantastic. Well, make sure you listen in. We're on all platforms, and so check out our YouTube page as well. If you want to see us live and inaction. Did you see that boat in Arizona? Yeah.

The tweet was, oh, everyone's okay, just a few bumps and bruises inside. I was, when I was talking about it, I was worried. I was like, oh, man. Because they're like harnessed in there. Man, that thing hit the water. Oh, it's so hard. I mean, you have to think that those guys are strapped in there and such like it. Because they know that that's got to be a possibility.

It's like hitting concrete when you hit water at that. I know. What's crazy is it looked like a toy boat, like the way it lifted off the ground and how high it went. But surely they know. at a certain speed, this thing is going to lift, right? I mean, I've seen so many speed to do this before. Like, you know, once it gets to a certain speed, and again, you had this flat bottom like we have on these race cars.

And by the way, the 20 nearly, do you see his right front tire start to lift? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. And I'm telling you, at that point, he had to be going only 150 at the most. And that thing started to lift up. I never understand when NASCAR says that the takeoff speed is 320 miles an hour.

Like, what does that mean? We, we, these cars are lifting at 150. Do you see it? Yeah. It starts to lift. I think NASCAR is real, real, real thankful that that car didn't lift off the ground because that would have been a serious wreck

had it lifted off the ground where it starts to pick up. Yeah, I don't, I, I sit in my interview this past week. I think Ryan Priest didn't love it. But that, you know, when's the last time we had some, like, a serious injury from flipping? I mean, certainly it's not been in the last 20 years, right? Like, I'm saying serious injuries. Right. Like, all the serious injuries have come on, come from head-on impacts.

Or side impacts. Or rear-end. Or rear-end impacts. It hasn't been from turning over. Like he asked me, he says, have you ever turned over? And I says, no. I said, you know what? Actually, I did turn on my side in the Xfinity race.

I think maybe you're my rookie year at Tal Diga. But it just kind of, it didn't really do much. I just feel as though, and again, this is someone that hasn't gone through it, to be clear, that you're dissipating energy when you're flipping. Like, I'd rather do that than hit a wall just stop. Or Zillich and Conner. I'd rather just. Yeah.

Zillich one. Ouch. But aren't you like, don't they build the cars in a way that if you hit, you know you're going to hit the wall like this,

right? But if this car lifts off the ground heading for the inside barrier 20 yards from the wall, we don't know where the contact. We don't know where the contact's going to come from. That's fair. That's a fair argument.

They have though made this car. If this car has improved anything, it's been that kind of the top crush down of it is significantly better than our previous car. So, I mean, I don't know. There's pros and cons of it, but again, there's been a lot of injuries in our sport for the last 20 years.

I just don't know how many severe ones have come from flips. And if you were one of them, I apologize that we're overlooking you. But I just can't remember there being that many serious injuries in the last 20 years. don't show me clips from 1985 where guys had their arms out the windows. It just seems as though I feel like it would be

dissipating energy and I personally my body would appreciate that more than hitting something hard and abrupt and stopping. We did have an Xfinity race by the way. We did. Austin Hill. We just overlooked it

because it was just another Austin Hill Super Speedway victory. But let me let me give everyone their due we want to give these Xfinity guys at least a little bit of time here just five minutes maybe less Austin Hill now becomes the winningest super speedway racer in Xfinity is that correct now is that a correct stat I think I heard that I think I heard that too yeah so give them due credit for that they obviously build fast cars I looked in quality and I think that

freaking Jesse Love's car was like a half a second faster than third place or something. It was a big gap. And then Alston Hill was kind of like right in between. So obviously they've got the field covered on speed. But man, I tell you one thing. I used to think there was no way I would sign up

for Super Speedway racing, but I would love, love, love. Joe Gibbs Racing, if you're hearing this, sign me up for an Xfinity super speedway race. That is how racing used to be. That's how good we used to have it. We just never knew it.

Like, these cars are moving around. You can create runs. Like, just, I wish someone, I'm sure someone on social would do this for me. Give me a side by side of the last two laps of the Xfinity versus the last two laps of the cup race. Tell me what was more compelling for you. It just, it was so,

the racing is so good. It's so good. And it's because they have the bubble effect, where when they get close to each other, they push each other away instead of it, having to make contact. And Xfinity, it's just, man, it looks so fun.

I want to do it. Before I retire, I want to do it. One more Xfinity race where, like, do you have a preference on which race? I probably would want to do Daytona, because the runs are a little bigger at Daytona than what they are at Taldega because the air can't escape the racetrack because of the wall the track is narrower so the runs are more plentiful at at Daytona.

We'll see who's the better super speedway racer, Austin Hill or Denny Hamer. Oh, he probably owned me based off of his record. His super speedway luck though. That's cool. Dale Jr. text me in the middle of the night last night. saying I'm at a casino I'm about to play the buffaloes what's the secret of he's in Vegas is he yeah this is at 730 he texts me this I says well it depends on the buffalo game there's a ton of rip-offs you got to find the buffalo stampede found one it

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