American Presidents: Totalus Rankium - State of the Union 01 - People Vs POTUS

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

Surprise episode! Every handful of episodes, we are going to check in with some genuine Americans and see if they agree (roughly) with our scores. First up is the fantastic gentlemen from People Vs POTUS discussing the presidents Washington - Jackson. Check out their podcast here: https://peoplevspotus.podbean.com

Jackson is the reason everyone hated Martin Van Buren, and I can't stand for that. Well, okay, I don't like Martin Van Buren because of Martin Van Buren. Yeah, but some of it's true. Some of it was self-inflicted, but... Talk about setting something up to fail. Welcome to Totalus Rankium. This week, State of the Union won. Hello and welcome to American Presidents Totalus Rankium. I'm Jamie. And I'm Rob, ranking all of the presidents from Washington to Trump. And here is a special episode, unannounced, because, well, we've been planning for quite some time now, haven't we?

We have actually, yeah. Yeah, but suddenly it's happening. We didn't even mention it last episode. But yes, we've had this in the works for a while, haven't we? And it's a very exciting episode because we today, as Hotels of Rankanking, are interviewing people versus POTUS. In fact, past tense, because we already have. We've just got off the Skype call from them. And we had a chat, which you're going to hear in a moment.

But yeah, this is what we decided was being a couple of British chaps like we are. Tally-ho. Yeah. Perhaps our opinions on the American presidents might be slightly off. Yeah. Maybe we should, like, touch down, is that an American phrase, with some real Americans? They have touchdowns, yeah. They have touchdowns, don't they?

Get a home run. Yeah, get a home run. Yeah, that's what we're going to do. Anyway, yeah, so we are going to every i don't know every seven to ten episodes or so we're going to interview a genuine american or americans and uh and just see what they think about what we've done so far and whether they'd uh change anything because i'm guessing like as an american you you might grow up with a more of an awareness of the american presidents because it may have been taught

more in schools what more than in our schools yes probably oh yeah definitely but i get i guess a lot of americans have the same knowledge of presidents as we do of all the royal families like there are a few highlights but oh right. Oh, right, like historical royal family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say current royal family. I can name the Queen and Philip. Yes, Charles. Is he still?

Of course he's still alive. Yeah, no, it was Diana who died, wasn't it? Bit of a difference. Yeah. I lose track. I lose track. So, yeah, it was a good conversation. It was nice to hear an American perspective on what we're saying.

Yes. I was going to say that they generally agreed with us, but you can listen to the chat. Yeah. We're not going to give away the ending and say they agreed with us. I just thought that everything we said was perfect. Yeah. They didn't have a choice, really.

No. I'm in control of the edit, so they will say what I want them to say. Yeah, they will. So what you're about to hear next is our conversation that we had. Just to warn you, though, sound quality is what you'd expect from essentially a phone call kind of conversation. American Jamie, very impressive multitasking. Oh, that was amazing.

Yeah, American Jamie, during all of what you hear, literally drove to a nursery, picked up his child, drove back, got out the car and set set his child up and comforted the child comforted the child and and still contributed throughout the entire interview that was amazing so very impressive multitasking it was it was um so yes so please enjoy the interview um before we start as well we we've just got to thank people versus potus and they took time out their lives to do this yes and it was really good i really enjoyed it yes it was fun chatting to people so um you're We've just got to thank People vs POTUS. And they took time out of their lives to do this. Yes. And it was really good. I really enjoyed it. It was fun chatting to people.

So you're about to hear the interview, which starts now. Goodbye. If you say goodbye after I say now, it ruins the effect. Do you want to say now again? Now. Is that the official now? Yeah. again now is that the official now yeah okay so we have here with us the the fantastic gentleman from people versus potus uh and we are on a five-way skype call this is gonna get confusing yeah there's two of us called jamie yeah that's, I feel. Yeah, one of us is driving a car.

I am. Yeah, multitasking. I am impressed. Yeah, so... We'd like to introduce ourselves first. Yes, off you go. Okay, so I keep gesturing to Colin like he's in the room with me. My name is Arthur.

I'm one of the co-hosts of the People vs. POTUS. I am Colin. I am also one of the co-hosts from People vs. POTUS. Why did you say that like it was a question? I couldn't think of anything else to say, so I made an inflection. Well, here's something creative. I am Jamie, and I am one of the co-hosts of People vs. POTUS. I am Jamie and I am one of the co-hosts of people versus POTUS. I'm also the one that gets stuck doing most of the producing, which is why it takes a million years for each episode to come out.

Technology lets us down. Jamie works hard and technology lets us down. Time and time again. Well, we're very big fans of your podcast. So, and thank you for what you do. It's good listening.

Yeah, no, I have. I appreciate that. I have thoroughly enjoyed your guys' podcast. We're pretty much at the same level at the moment. You've just done Van Buren, haven't you? We're going to have to

do that one again, but yes. There's a technology failure, so we're going to have to redo that one. Ooh, painful. And so are we. So here we are, both our podcasts, looking at American presidents in the same place. So we just thought it would be a good time to just stop and have a chat to some genuine Americans about what they think about us. We're genuine Americans, y'all.

Real-life Americans, you know. You have to also remember, Rob and Jamie, that we're not just Americans, we're Texans. Yeah. I've been here 11 years. It counts. Yeah, that's fair. This is fair. So our view of everything

pretty much is distorted. You mean better. To the spice side of things. Yes. Nice. We're going to start with statesmanship now in our podcast this round uh looks at how how good a job uh a president did whilst they were presidents so when you think when you think of our top we've got three top scorers they both they all three scored the same score which is 17 out of 20 we've got three top scorers. They all three scored the same score, which is 17 out of 20.

We've got Washington, Jefferson, and Madison. Can I ask why you guys didn't give high marks to John Adams? Because John Adams was just a really grumpy little man. That's why. It's always hard to be a sequel, i mean seriously that that was depressing so yeah we were just wondering who you thought was uh the the best president of the first seven uh the most statesman like and uh why they are the best president the most statesman likelike, I would argue hands down is Washington. He intentionally sticks

into the middle. He says, I'm not going to pick a party. No one should pick parties. And then, well, proceeds to have his cabinet form the first two political parties ever and tear itself apart. So he tried. He tried.

You know, I think I have to agree with Colin that it's Washington. I mean, if you're going to define that category as if you're going to give them high marks for the things that they accomplished, I think that the long list of things that George Washington accomplished. And, you know, we joke about this in our episode on Washington. You know, Colin says it a thousand times. He was everything that he did as president set a precedent. So realistically, I mean, how could he not be it in this first seven? Just because everything that he did, he did it first and he set the standard. Even by walking away from the office, he set the standard of expectation for what it meant to hold that office.

I'm going to diverge and I'm going to say Jefferson, even above Washington. Jefferson had state and presidential experience going into the office. He had to address a lot of questions that had no precedent, like the Louisiana Purchase, and figured that out. And he took a lot of opportunities when there weren't boundaries. Admittedly, in his personal life, he took a lot of opportunities where there weren't boundaries. There should have been boundaries. Well, yeah, like basic indignity. But I can appreciate the fact that Washington was outstanding and Jefferson had that added experience of actually being part of the American government before it was his turn.

Am I right in thinking Jefferson didn't do much as vice president, though? He just sort of... He just sabotaged John Adams, who didn't need the help. Yeah. But then who does much as vice president? Yeah, I'm sure there was one. Who was it that defined the vice presidency as

doing nothing more than just or no more value than a worm bucket of spit? Who was that? That was a worm bucket, a worm pitcher of piss, and that was John Garner, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's first vice president. Yeah.

We rated Madison as high as Washington and Jefferson equally. Do you think we've over-inflated Madison's importance there? Well, what's your justification for putting them on par? Well, you've got the whole

Federalist Papers, you've got the whole Federalist Papers. You've got the rights. Yeah. Madison basically wrote the Constitution. Yeah, he's in the background. He wrote all the speeches that everyone was saying at the time. Yeah. It was basically him talking to himself.

He was doing a great job in creating the idea of America, He was doing a great job in creating the idea of America. But as president, he kind of fell behind in his leadership, you know, the executive role in terms of impact on history. He's huge in terms of size. He's really diminutive. and um and in terms of uh his his time in office he doesn't have a huge executive what do you call it uh presence yeah well you know also too he started a war that we call the war of 1812 and the british mention as a footnote to the napoleonic wars That's how badly it cost. Honestly, I'd say 98% of people in this country would have no idea what the War of 1812 is. We certainly are not told about this when we're growing up in school.

It's just not a thing. It's really not a thing at all. All we got out of it was our... It's okay, you just burned down the White House. You guys should learn about that in school you burned down the white house i heard it was the canadians from a very reliable source well yeah so you think maybe we've uh we've given madison a few too many points then i would say probably one off like i would give them a solid third place um but y'all get to sorry i'll stop saying y'all i really don't want to fall into the stereotype

you get to you get to judge as you wish to judge i'm sure there's some sort of difference between like meters and feet oh wait we're one foot in um the the other uh potentially controversial score that we've given we only gave four to jackson that was it uh because we felt that the whole forced death marches and destroying the economy was bad for the country. Yeah. So he gets a very low score in this. Do you think we've been fair there? Actually, that was the part that I think

I've disagreed with you the most on in any of your podcasts. Jackson founded... Yeah, like, don't get it wrong, I also think Geta was robbed. Oh, sorry, side note. Geta's Animal Noises song is still one of the funniest things

I've ever heard. I'm still laughing about that two or three years later. No, with Jackson, he was a populist. He was the first kind of frontiersman to be elected to the office. He irrevocably changed the way the United States does politics. And I think that is statesmanish. I think he was also a psychotic murderer and kind of a genocidal tyrant. Don't get me wrong, but I don't know. I can agree, but I also disagree. So I did. So I think what the attack that I took on it is in his time as president versus after his time, which means we can't even count his destruction of the economy because it doesn't crash until after his presidency is over. But it only crashed because of his.

Absolutely. You are correct. Yeah. So I think we're just about. But Van Buren got hit for that. correct. Yeah. So it's... I think we're justified. But Van Buren got hit for that. Yeah. Yeah, see, this is what I'm talking about. Maybe we'll be fairer to Van Buren next time. Maybe we will.

Okay, so, right, we've talked about statesmanship then. Let's go on to Disgracegate, our round where we talk about the more disgraceful things that some of your leaders have done. Oh, yeah. Disgracegate. Quick rundown of what we said. Big shock here, I know.

We put Jackson on top. You know what? That sounds pretty good. Out of the first seven, he scored full marks, minus 20. Then we had Jefferson in second place, minus 14. Then Monroe on minus eight, Washington minus six, Madison minus five. And then the two Adams both get a minus two each. That's interesting. They can't even do well in this game.

No, they can't. I was looking through my notes today, just kind of brushing up on this because it has been a while since we've recorded these. But Adams really did not do well in our like. I'm not going to disagree with you about Jackson at all. That is an absolutely good call to make in terms of disgrace. to make um in terms of disgrace but adams tried to make it illegal and actually succeeded for a time to disagree with him which is supremely against the constitution that existed at the time and against you know the the american ethos as well and so i would i would bump him up quite a bit yeah i think our justification there was that was more statesmanship losing oh okay his personal behavior was was fairly upright i think that's where we

were going with that because yes you're right yeah the whole you say something against me i'm going to arrest you and put you in prison yeah it's not great. A bit dubious. Yeah, frowned upon. Well, he didn't. But yeah, Jackson's up there in his personal conduct. We kind of touched on it earlier.

Jefferson is right up there and well-deserved. Or down there. I guess it'd be down there. He loved debt like he had no problem with yes just kind of this weird book hobo but yes i uh i was trying to think of a scandal for john quincy adams because there there's there's next to none and there's the anecdote you know about the reporter sitting on his clothes um yes i do but i either got cut or i didn't mention it so so go ahead yes the uh that the female reporter i think for whatever

washington paper is the picayune he used to go skinny dipping in the potomac so she found out when he did it and she just sat on his clothes and he wouldn't climb out of the river because he was naked uh so she got this interview with him by just forcing him to be naked in a cold river. Yeah. If that's the only thing you can say against a man, I think that's pretty good. He did buy a billiard table, which...

Oh, billiards. I love the fact that whilst Jackson andson and john quincy were were going at each other you've got one side pointing out all the murder and the death and the misery and everything that jackson had done i mean literally beating people with canes and then you've got jackson's side pointing back and saying well he's got a billiard table and uh we're not entirely sure who who paid for that billiard table and that's the best we can do here there's the henry clay debacle which is part of it too where every president up to the election of 1828 wait 1828 that's right was a virginian who was a founding father or was an adams basically and the secretary

of state always became the president yeah and then adams you know clay drops out the votes get shifted in the house to support quincy and uh calhoun becomes the secretary of state people claim that it never happened that way but it it seemed to be a corrupt bargain which yeah but i know you covered that. I think you mentioned in the episode, Jamie, it's like, was this known or was it an open secret? It so clearly happened. It was so obvious.

Very political, isn't it? Yeah, this idea that they could just do that and no one would mind. But then that was the aristocracy of the day though wasn't it and that's that's just how they did things and they didn't think people would be able to question it although you did just mention a name which although isn't really linked to presidents i've got to stop on um you you mentioned calhoun oh yeah the vampire yeah and um see i i had never come across Calhoun

at all until I listened to your episode I was driving to work and as soon as I got to work I just got my phone out to look up this picture you were talking about it was everything I hoped it would be he is just a super villain

wait wait we gotta step back for just one second because the the face made on video chat was just kind of perfect and it's uh for an audio podcast um would you please do that one more time thank you thank you very much yeah yeah i'm not going to describe it you miss out if you're not on this call. Sorry. Oh, yeah. The other thing about Calhoun, the fact he managed to stay vice president over two presidencies.

Yeah. That's brilliant. It's just, no, I'm here. I'm staying here. You can't kick me out. It's the best job ever. I don't have to do anything. Yeah.

If you're listening to this and you don't know what he looks like go and look up a picture of that's brilliant please do he really is a real trick so so yeah i i think i think therefore we're getting uh an american thumbs up for our scores and disgrace gate then you guys are happy with us yeah good okay silver screen this is is where we just look at the entire life, the entire biography, which is very important, we think, and you guys cover it in 45 seconds. Which I love the fact that we spend three hours on the biography

and you guys do it in less than a minute. That is very impressive it's very commendable because you do hit on all the main points it does sometimes make me think what have i spent all my time doing yeah i could have just done that yeah um so yeah entire lives. We have, again, it's Jackson on top for just having the most interesting life overall. He got full marks. But then we have John Quincy Adams and Washington in second place. I think Washington would be expected. I know some of our listeners have definitely questioned us on our high score of John Quincy Adams.

What? Well, they're wrong. Hey, good. I would have put Quincy actually above Jackson. He traveled all over the world, right? When he was a child, he survived the wars. He goes through the stuff. And after his presidency,

with being in the House of Representatives long enough to see the Civil War coming and have the common sense to die. I know you've talked about this, but yeah. As a story, it just works so well. I mean, he's born to already a president. It's his father. He's the son of a

president, or at least he will become one. And then he gets to watch Boston in the distance aflame. Battle of Breed's Hill, because it's Breed's Hill. Seriously. Yes. Been there.

Yeah. And he gets to watch that on a hill eating sandwiches with his mother. And that's the start of his life. Because I forgot about that detail, and it just... Wow. Yeah, well, they must have ate, because it was a long battle, and you need refreshments, surely.

I'll tell you, that's a lot of death. Yeah, he must have been... Oh, there's another one. A bullet right in the eye. Yeah, it's... A red gunner's boy. Red gun, red gun. And all Americans spoke like that back then, because they were so British. Oh, boy. Red Gunner, Red Gunner. And all Americans spoke like that back then

because they were still British. Oh, yeah. And that's just true. We were never British. You still are. We'll get you back on that. Just playing the long game. That's what we're doing.

But yeah, so it starts with with that his life starts with the revolution and then he's all around europe he's meeting kings he's meeting sars he's getting to know the ladies in sweden and then yeah he becomes president and he's rubbish but that got that was that was quick and we got over that quickly, and then you've got all the... That's like a footnote. Yeah, exactly. And then you've got all the stuff, anti-slavery,

in Congress afterwards, and then he dies in the Capitol building. They wheel in a bed for him, or a bench or something. I read bed, it made me wonder where the beds came from. Are there beds in the Capitol building, usually? Not that I'm aware of.

I'm sure there are in some sort of closet or hidden room. Oh, that's true. There's a swimming pool. There's a swimming pool? Yeah. Oh. I think there's a whole workout center. Yeah, they had to tell the male senators to start wearing swim trunks

because the women wanted to use the pool senators to start wearing swim trunks because the women wanted to use the pool and they were all swimming naked also john quincy adams so like there you go yeah so we're gonna stick by our john quincy adams score we were happy we think i think it's a good call we think we he had a good life. Our lowest scorer is his father, though, because he can't score in anything. Because, well... Here's a disappointment. Well, we know he scored at least once.

Oh! Okay, so I'll say this. I know somebody to have the lowest score, and out of all of them, John Adams probably is a good one so far. But I don't know it's uh i do love the fact that he defended the british soldiers who fired on freedom-loving americans in the boston massacre and he he defended them uh because he believed in a right to a fair trial even for people who caused harm that's that's one way of looking at it or perhaps he he defended them trying to throw

the case, but he was just so bad at even that, he actually won. Who knows? He was so obnoxious that he was on the list of George III's unforgivables, right? That's pretty good. That's a good

list to be on. Yeah. And, you know, also, I've never had the lyric sit down arthur you fat mother etc written about me yeah that's true yeah you just say something in the early history of of america and where you are the only person against a whole bunch of people who literally own slaves and you still come across as one of the most obnoxious. It's quite a feat that he managed there. That is quite a feat, yeah. You really want to like John Adams.

He's meant to be the sensible one. Well, let's say somebody has to be the party mom, right? Let's go on to our last round we're going to talk about which is canvas ability which is just sexiest president well that's one way of cutting it yeah but we all have an opinion on so out of the first seven presidents uh yeah who catches your eye not john quincy no oh, to be fair to John Quincy, he has a portrait when he was really young, which really isn't that

bad. Alright, okay. Let me look up young John Quincy. Yeah, look up young John Quincy. That's what the ladies in Sweden would have been saying. Your Google algorithms are going to be weird. Okay.

How did you see that? Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. He's not bad. He doesn't age very well. No, he really doesn't. We only judged them on the official portrait, unfortunately, so we couldn't include that one.

He certainly looks formidable, I think. So will you remind me who is at the top of your list? Sorry, not playing Jackson. Well, there's definitely a theme in our scoring because yet again Jackson is top of our list. I think his image matches his character. Like, stern, a bit creepy, and the cloak. Thought about that.

Yes. Yeah, he's got this big, huge red collar, which makes him look like a vampire, which is just amazing. Oh, he's a complete vampire, yeah. And I love the fact that him and Calhoun were around at the same time, looking like supervillains. Similar hairstyle, I mean.

Yeah, he looks like... This is the type of portrait that a Bond villain would have in his dining room behind him. And it shoots laser beams from the eyes when you push on the cap. No, it would just give him a stick

to beat people with. I'll give it to Jackson too. Our second place is Jefferson. He looks quite presidential, we thought. If you look at how they score, like their image versus their score, I'd say that Adams is accurate. He looks like a person I wouldn't like. Yeah, Adams does not come across well in this,

but he just doesn't in anything, does he? Poor Adams. You know, I really think low-key james madison has has a lot going on yeah realistically uh you know for me i think i'd put madison at top uh you know andrew jackson definitely is up there in the top three but maybe jefferson number two after madison i think jackson third piercing eyes sorry to interrupt no i totally agree with you you know like you can just sit there and stare into them forever they're like pools of wonder yeah yeah nice he's really listening you know people don't do that anymore you feel like he's just really listening to you yeah spoilers though just wait till you get to franklin pierce

oh yeah do you know what franklin pierce looks like oh no i know nothing right on on the post-drivedom the low poly art yeah he's the one who looks like matt smith from dr who yeah he doesn't in real life but in my artwork he does i read a biography of pierce that said he didn't really accomplish much. This is the introduction. But he was perhaps the handsomest president. And I'm like, cool, this is going to suck. How many pages was that one? It was 110, so about 85 too long.

Yeah, well, at least a score in this round. Yes. Well, that's nice. You guys are very democratic and all this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you will be shocked to learn Adams does come bottom in this round as well. No, yeah, that seems appropriate.

Poor John. Yeah. It's just... Especially when he's really older and his hair's gone a bit crazy. He just looks like... He's got a skullet, almost. I'm always reminded of the stories when he was just at home,

whilst still president, but he just didn't show up for work anymore. And... Yeah. He was just at home reading his newspaper, refusing to look up from his newspaper. Yeah. Yeah, when people visited him because he was just really amazed. That takes a lot of determination.

It's like, Adams! Laser focus. Adams? No. Yeah, it's cantankerous, that's the word. I think. Very good. Right, so that probably leads us to our final scores,

and whether you agree with them. So we have final scores for what it's worth. Out of 51. Washington comes in first place for general interesting score and just overall everything. John Quincy Adams comes second, Madison third, Monroe fourth,fferson then adams and then jackson really yes see although jackson's interesting his disgrace gate wiped out 20

right yes because we yes minus points on our disgrace gates uh he took a hit there. He did. So, yeah, that knocked him down to the bottom, unfortunately, for him. But, I mean, four Steph marches. It's hard to get over. Yeah, it's not going to go well. No. Yeah, that's... I've got to tell you, I really like your scoring system because it holds them accountable in a weird way.

Yeah. So that was Rob's point, because he was worried about giving people points for owning slaves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, in a Roman podcast, I mean, yeah, you do crazy stuff, you get points.

It's hilarious because it's 2,000 years ago. Tragedy plus time. Yeah, exactly. It's just less so with American history. I think I'm going to throw in the care package I'm sending you from Us at People

versus POTUS. I think I'm going to make a prediction on your top 10. Oh, that would be interesting. Seal it. Yeah think I'm going to make a prediction on your top ten. Oh, that would be interesting. Seal it. Yeah, I'm going to seal it. We'll reveal it at the end. We'll see how close you get. Our first predictions.

Well, no, we'll see if People vs. POTUS can't take a stab at this. I'll make American Jamie and Colin join in. How does our list compare to your list, though? I've got one up. Oh, good. Yeah, ours is Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Jackson, Madison, Adams.

And then actually ours, we've done all because we include civil service in ours. ours uh we've done all because we include civil service yeah in ours and uh so presidents we have not actually gotten to yet are still scoring higher than john adams nice that is that's good call it through and waited everything and then just figured out all of the other scores one day i'm assuming because because i could yeah he, and he's a very generous person. Yeah, that's awesome. Put him in order, and Franklin Roosevelt just shot to number ***.

Spoilers, man. Come on now. We haven't scored him yet. It's just because he was in there for 12 years. Well, people don't know that until we tell them. Oh, sorry. I'll bleep, you can't give stuff away. It's okay. I'll bleep it out. I'll be fine.

Thank you. See, one of the problems we're going to have is because we score ours based on their exciting life story as well. Yeah. And when we get to the later presents, which we're soon going to hit, they're not going to score very much.

They're not an action-ad much. So are you guys... They're not an action-adventure? Obama didn't ride a horse into war with a sword. Not that you know of, Jamie. Nobody did. He did forge one heck of a birth certificate, so... I mean, that early life section all about Kenya is going to be fascinating.

How he escaped in shackles. Are you guys just going to quit after Theodore Roosevelt? Because I can't imagine. Ford. William Howard Taft once got stuck in a bathtub. Teddy Roosevelt punched a bear to death. That's amazing. You didn't tell me that.

I'm not telling you these things yet, though. Yeah, we're going gonna hit a bit of a drought for a little while unfortunately jamie you're gonna have to there's still some pretty exciting uh stuff in there kennedy uh nixon is a really interesting guy he's gonna be great really is his pre-presidency is just he's a weird guy yeah yeah that's not just pre-presidency but you're right okay but yeah no some of the like last hundred years no i can see some when i say we're about to hit a drought i'm thinking pre-lincoln oh yeah yeah oh yeah we've been talking about that drought yeah uh i i still love with franklin pierce he used to get drunk and bust into people's rooms in college and make them wrassle.

That's nice. Didn't know that one. Yeah. So just get ready. That's maybe the most interesting thing about him. My gosh, Jamie.

British Jamie looks scandalized by that. Are you just getting flashbacks to us at uni? Yeah. Yeah. Something's not happening. I also love the fact that our list and your list,

I don't think could be mathematically more different. That's probably accurate, yeah. Apart from the fact that we've got Washington on top, everything else is completely different, which just goes to show how subjective all this is. But it's fun to do. It is. Right, well, I think that covers

everything. We've had our scores validated. Ish. By some genuine Americans, which is always good. I don't know why I'm waving. Thank y'all. Yeah, that's good.

We had a damn good time. Inevitably, it was our pleasure, of course. We're charmed. It was wonderful, yes. Yes, wonderful. Very pleased that you called us. Tally-ho. Yes.

For Queen and Country gentlemen, of course, yes. That's why we do it. Yes, no, it has been a pleasure talking to you guys. And if you're listening, check out Peter's... Peter's? Different podcast. People be POTUS. Because, yeah, they do what we do, but differently. And better. It's good. Yeah. people be POTUS because yeah

they do what we do but differently I'm better it's good yeah oh no you guys are doing great work we sound different

yes yes you definitely do but they have a Jamie like we do so it's all okay you can buy us now yeah you have to go to

a little sanctuary to get us but you can choose your own Jamie yeah never bought a Jamie that's out of a jamie mill like it's just in jamaica it's not the same as a i mean rescue jamie you try to communicate but the eyes are just dead um yeah we really are we really are best when we're just left to our own devices.

Actually, I'm getting a Jamie mixed with a Labrador. It's called a Labra Jamie. So it's going to be pretty good. I have a Cocker Jamie. It's very good. Oh, where are we going? Thank you for having us. Very much, guys.

Yes, thank you. We will have to chat again soon. Okay. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. very much guys we will have to chat again soon okay absolutely thank you and then we'll cut out and then we'll cut out thank you so much that was amazing yeah that was good

it was a good chat to you guys about presidents and just being geeky about history that's good are all three of you really about presidents and just being geeky about history. Yeah. That's good. It is.

Are all three of you really into history, or did one of you force the other two to do this? Arthur is the presidential history guy. Right. I'll let you guess. Yeah. It was all my idea, really. Colin and Jamie are what I like about working with them.

I was like, so I'm just going to talk a lot and you guys can comment in. They were both like, no, we're going to trade off hosting and make this equitable. That was good. It's a much better show. I do like the way you guys do it because it just rotates around.

We all have our different presentation styles yeah that's good and I like your quizzes as well oh yeah those are the best part of the show the quiz with Father Christmas punching someone in the face that is

that has kept us going in our podcast for quite some time in fact we mentioned it in the last episode. That genuinely was down to you guys. I don't think I would have picked up on that one if I hadn't heard it. It just happened to come just as I was doing the research

at the right time. That's the joy of having to go to a church history class to get a degree. Let me put up some fun stuff okay well thank you very much guys thank you enjoy your night okay see ya okay that was good I enjoyed that did you

they generally agreed with us they thought that maybe we were perhaps too harsh on Jackson, but I disagree. Well, they have no choice but to agree with us. Oh, yes, no. I forgot to splice that in. But, yeah, no.

So I think we can happily go on to ranking our next presidents. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Van Boeren will be next. Yep. And that will be in its normal slot. Yeah. Because this has just

been thrown in whenever I can edit it who knows it might be after Van Buren yeah who knows we'll see we will

right okay so all that needs to be said then is goodbye goodbye Yeah, that's... Hold on, let's see if I can... There he is.

There he is. I, it's... Uh-oh. I made my kid cry. Hang on. Calhoun! The mention of John Calhoun... It was the image, yes.

This one is a terrible kindergarten teacher. In South Carolina, they still tell their kids, finish your vegetables or John Calhoun will be able to pet you.