Artist Friendly with Joel Madden - Chase Atlantic: Part 1 - Christian Anthony

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

This week on the podcast, Joel Madden is joined by Chase Atlantic vocalist/rhythm guitarist Christian Anthony. Based in Los Angeles, Chase Atlantic is an Australian alternative trio comprised of Anthony, lead vocalist/bassist Mitchel Cave, and lead guitarist Clinton Cave. Channeling the sounds of Tame Impala and The Weeknd, the band has released three albums, with their most recent one being 2021's Beauty in Death. The group is currently one of AP's spring 2023 cover stars, where they discuss their explosive fandom, the new music they're currently working on and how Warped Tour taught them how to be in a band. ------- Listen to their Artist Friendly conversation on ⁠⁠Spotify.⁠ ------- Follow Artist Friendly! IG: @artist.friendly TikTok: @artist.friendly YouTube: youtube.com/@artist.friendly ------- Host: Joel Madden, @joelmadden Executive Producers: Joel Madden, Benji Madden, Jillian King Producers: Josh Madden, Joey Simmrin, Janice Leary Visual Producer/Editor: Ryan Schaefer Audio Producer/Composer: Nick Gray Music/Theme Composer: Nick Gray Cover Art/Design: Ryan Schaefer Additional Contributors: Anna Zanes, Neville Hardman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to artist friendly from Alternative Press. This week is part one of our three-part Chase Atlantic series. Today, I'm speaking with Christian. This one's on me. What do you think? Yeah. This is a great setup, man. Like it?

Yeah, this is our first time seeing it. Thanks for coming. I love this. Thank you for having me. I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're having me here. This is really cool. I'm excited to be the coolest member of Chase Atlantic.

You are. You are the, so you are kind of the, I feel like for Chase Atlantic, I feel like you're kind of the statesman a little bit. The statesman. A little bit. Elaborate. Like the. Like you got Mitchell and Clinton.

The brothers. Which are the brothers who you've been kind of dealing with for. Ten years. Ten years. Ten years. Eleven years. Yeah. And you're like the third brother. Yeah. You're like right in between. I feel like. Yeah. I feel like from my perspective, I feel like you have Mitchell who is, you know, kind of like, it's hard to explain, but he's just like couldn't be anything other than who he is. Yeah. He can't even think about it. He just is him. He's just, yeah, he's like chaotic genius.

Yeah. And then like shy reclusive. Exactly. He's, he's, there's no in between. He's like, if he's around people he loves. You couldn't force him. Yeah. No.

You couldn't say, here's a million dollars. I need you to be this way. He'd be like, hell no. Could never happen. He just can't. His brain does not function like that. He's got, he's like, it's so different. He's this guy that's on stage that's like, you know, Mitchell Cave.

Yeah. And there's a guy that's at home, Lance. shaping his house. Yeah. Looking after his cats. Yeah. I'm sure he would have spoken about it, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And then you have Clinton. Yeah. Who's most of the time he's in his head. Yeah. Yeah. He's always thinking about like the future. Yeah.

He was like when it all started, he and still to this day, he was, he's kind of like the dad. Yeah. The one who would like, like I was saying before when we'd hop out at the studio like Power Rangers. Yeah. was the guy driving us around. Mitch and I didn't have licenses. Yep. So it was always like we were on Clinton's time, you know, and then as we've gotten older, we've, you know, moved out of houses and stuff. But yeah, it's any worries. Yeah. He's thinking about everything. He's worried. He's got

but and then you're, to me, like you're in the middle. Of course, you're worried too. Of course, you're the artist. And Clinton is an art, absolutely an artist. But to me, Clinton is like always in thought always in his head always thinking about like sometimes you have to pull him and go like yeah be here with yeah yeah yeah we need you here totally he's he's you know he's five albums ahead yeah he's thinking about some some or some lighting or some video or some thing or some thing and he like before his show he's walking around the venue going up to the lighting guy to the to the camera crew like he's never happy with like he's always like pushing something to be like I always find with Clinton he's like the sound what the sound he's yeah he needs the sound the mix

better he needs the thing like he's always thinking analyzing you know they're both they're both massive perfectionist yeah and i respect them a lot for that because sometimes i'll be like oh it's fine like we don't have to worry about that and then because they have i look back at it and i'm like thank god they did that because it wouldn't have been the same right wouldn't have like when we did the live streams during COVID, the way that Clinton was really methodical with it, I would have been like, let's just do it. Like, let's just, you know, we don't need to use all the amps. We don't need to use this.

We don't need reverb on the vocals. Right. Clinton and Mitchell would be very meticulous. Like, I know it's going to take longer. And it's, you know, it's going to take two takes, three takes to get it how it is. And even though it takes longer, it always looks way better. And I think that's something I've learned from them is that something. Sometimes it's not best to rush it and just say like, oh, no, everything seems okay because

a little bit extra goes like a long way. You guys balance each other out a little bit. Yeah. I always see you as the like the middle ground. Yeah. Like I see. Well, I mean, it's two. We have to show up and play a shell.

Yeah. So at some point we have to get it all there. Yeah. Yeah. I think, um, yeah, always always a middleman, which is, which is, which is. tough sometimes, but since moving out, actually, it's been a lot easier. Living together was the best days of my life. Like when we lived in the house and studio city.

COVID, you know, COVID was really terrifying at the start. Yeah. Still, you know, it's still going around. It's still terrible. But we just used it to like, I don't know, I guess we did get to somewhat of a dark place during COVID. But together, we came really close together. because we were, you know, kind of scared.

Yeah. Every day the news was just like... And you're in America, you're not with your family. Yeah, we went... We'd like check the news in Australia. We're like, is the family okay? At the start, we were like, thank God, it's bad here and not bad there. Because if it was bad there and we couldn't get over to Australia where our families, that

would have been scarier. Yeah. But, you know, we came a lot closer together during that time out of like genuine fear and like uncertainty. no touring so we you know usually you make an album going to do interviews everything just closed down I mean MDN closed down yeah everything closed down we had to everyone had to close down any any buildings with more than X number of people yeah it was it was pretty bad I remember being here at like the start of March and speaking to I think it was Benj and being like I think Benji was

like yeah have you heard about this virus and we were kind of you know joking like oh yeah Imagine it comes here and then. Yeah. Didn't it was here. It's terrible. I know. Fucking terrible. And now it's almost like it feels like everyone just moved on.

I know. I even said yesterday I was like, I can't believe COVID was two years ago, but it's still like, it's still around. It's not gone. I mean, it's still, people are still dying from it. Yeah, I know. But it's just weird culturally how everyone's just like people don't even really test anymore. No one.

Nope. I just told you, like I wasn't in London with you guys. because I got it for the first time. That was the first time. First time, yeah. It's so crazy to me. And it was still, I mean, it wasn't nothing. Yeah, it's not.

I was sick. I was sick for two weeks. It's real serious. This is weird. What's like, it's other real serious or people can like have no symptoms. I mean, Dwayne got it at the end of, when he came and joined the second half of the last tour.

Yeah. Dwayne got it and his whole crew got it in Canada. That's crazy. So they had issues coming back in. When was the last time you were at? in Australia? Christmas. Okay. Christmas was so brought my partner over for the first time. So we've been

together for two years since we got together during COVID. COVID babies. COVID, yeah. So it was her first time meeting my parents. Great. I know you've met my dad. Love your dad. Love your family. He's a he's a bit of a bit of a handful. So she's the poor thing had met my brother in Amsterdam. Yeah. So she'd been to Amsterdam, And I met my brother. And funny enough, my brother is like my second dad.

Yeah. He's nine and a half years older than me. Yeah. He's actually like even stricter. He'll be like, why are you getting tattoos? Why are you getting tattoos? Why are you? Yeah.

And like, why is your hair so long? And my dad's like... Because your dad is a little bit, to me, he's a little bit of like a... He reminds me of like one of the, like, he's like... To me, he's like an adventurer. Yeah. Like a pirate. He's a pirate.

He's like a sailor. He's a pirate. Yeah. He like just sails around the world and like, he like, does. cool shit. Yeah, I mean, during that 2018, when we were going around the world, I'd just be playing a show like Pukalpop in Belgium and they'd just be in in Belgium. Yeah. What are you doing here? Climbing a mountain, mate. Yeah. We're going horseback riding. We're going to take some shrooms and climb a mountain. Like, that's what I, your dad reminds me of like, but by the way, like,

by no means he, like, he has his shit together. Yeah. He's like, it's not like, it's not like, Like, like, like, he's, he's, he's like a man. Like, to me, he reminds me of, like, someone who's like, let's go see if we can do that. Yeah. Oh, he's like, wrestle a bear. My brother during COVID had this brilliant idea. This thing called Storyworth. Yeah.

Shout out Story worth. Story worth. It's a cool concept. So it's, they ask you questions. I think it's like 10 or 12 questions. It comes once every three months. Okay. And you, like, answer in depth.

And you basically at the end, you get this. journal of your life. So it starts with like, what was it like where you grew up? So dad is from New Zealand, Renunga, from this very small mining town. Yep. So his story from there and like his parents owning a little dairy, which is like a convenience store, going from there and then at 19 getting into film and television, moving to Australia. So being able to like read his story, you just, it's such a beautiful thing. Is story worth something that your brother did? So no, no. So my, no. I was like, did he start this company? No, no, no.

Okay, okay, I'm going to promote it. That sounds fucking cool. No, so it's a great thing because you get to tell the whole story in depth as possible. Right. And knowing my dad, he's just got bloody paragraphs and pages and pages, stories about how he met my mom, little stories that, you know, that just, you know, as you're writing, you just remember things and remember things. And he's such a great storyteller that I just.

can't wait for the book at the end. I feel like it's going to be a number one seller. People who have no idea who he is. Like, damn, that guy's had a crazy life. Your dad is super cool. But it's cool to see, to be able to meet people's parents is pretty cool when you get the opportunity to see like if there's someone that you care about or someone you, like, that's why meeting your partner's parents is always cool. But yeah, but nerve-wracking. But nerve-wracking. Nervracking. Because, you know, all it could take is a little, like when I met her parents.

Oh, nerve. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was, you know, on my best behavior. And like, what is, I mean, you know this. He's got to go there and you're like, oh, I'm in a band. It's like the worst possible thing you could say to a parent. Worst thing.

Yeah. The dad's like, what the fuck? What do you mean? Great. Another band. But then you'd be like, oh, if you come to a show, it's like, you'll see. It's kind of, it's, we're doing okay. We're trying.

Yeah. We're going somewhere. Yeah. It's not just a hobby. Yeah. And then luckily we're pretty hard to understand. So I think we got away with some of the swearing in New York. Yeah. So they came to the New York show at Pier 17. I met them. You met them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be hung out. Yeah. And they're so sweet. So I was kind of, you know, we went to Amsterdam. My brother and my brother's now wife were warning cast. Like, well, you know, get ready to meet James. And then my cousin. were at the New York show and they're like, oh, I'd pay to see front row tickets. I bet your dad loved her.

Picked her up as soon as he saw her. Of course. Picked her up, spun her around and said, we're so happy to have you here. And then close the door on me. Close the door and said, bye, Christian. Go get the bags. So they got along. Great.

And then I was never worried about mom. She's just the sweetest. Yeah. She's an angel. So what do you feel like? okay so so i always also feel like you're the one one of the you're the one of the you're the one member of chase atlantic that i feel like i do feel like you like are you going to settle in australia you think yeah yeah for sure that's how i feel like you're the one who

settles in australia i just think is that weird no because you're right so is it you know what i mean Yeah, I think, I don't know if Mitchell, I know at some point wants to go to Hawaii. Right. Which I could totally see. Like Mitchell needs the space and the quiet and the like the Zen of Hawaii is like what he needs. Yeah. Like I feel that for him. Yeah.

Clinton, I feel like probably is in L.A. Yeah. He loves it. His mind never quiet. He needs the, the stimulation of it. He could put Drop Clinton in New York as well. New York. Like, yeah.

Even, oh, I mean, Japan as well, places like that. Like sci-fi. I think if Mitchell as well sees Japan. Because we've never been to Japan. Right. I think when Mitchell sees Japan. Because we went to Singapore. Right.

And I know you've been to Singapore before for the... Singapore is great. Tokyo is like the next level of like all the things that you want to experience. It's like sci-fi. It's the coolest. Well, we're off to South America. in a couple months, which will be up the first time, South America and then North America. Well, they, they, you guys have a lot of fans in Brazil.

Yeah, I know. And we've been, you know, it's been a pretty rocky few roads trying to get this to a guy. You guys have personally been trying to get to Brazil, but tons of shit has happened and it's just been wonky getting it all. And like, totally understandable for the fans, the first people, they're like, oh, well, it must be that these three don't want to come. No. It's never the case. Right. It's never the case.

So the sooner we can get over there, the better. It looks like we're finalizing. We got that festival coming up. Yeah. So that's all been announced. Festival in Mexico as well, which is sick. Which you guys are going to love. I love Mexico.

Yeah. It was the best. We went to Cozumel together. Yeah. Remember? Yeah. We were on the, when we did the warp tour cruise. Yeah.

I was speaking about that with Benji in London. That was. Crazy, right? That's a long time ago. I still got a video on my Instagram of us, jumping on stage with you guys for Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous. Well, one thing that I guess it's hard to relay to the fans, and I'm sure a lot of them are listening and probably all the fans in Brazil are listening to this right now.

I think what is hard for them to understand sometimes is the logistics. Yeah. Of actually getting, like, you guys can want to do a show as much as you want. But if anything goes on with the promoter or anything goes on with any of the things between you guys and them yeah it always falls on you guys it's always going to come across like you guys did do something whatever if a promoter's not making money they're not they don't want you out or they yeah or something else could go wrong with some other show they're doing yeah and like their business could there's so many reasons of between the band and the fans getting you there

and you know you actually hitting the stage all those months and problems in between that need to be solved every now and then when something like that, especially going to Brazil and especially the Brazilian fans and the fans in South America, I would say, have been early on you guys for a long time. Absolutely. But getting there is really fucking hard. It's really tough. But you're so right.

I mean, I look at songs like Umami and like that was a thousand percent pushed by the Brazilian fans, the South American fans. and the North American fans in Mexico. And I just, like, we just want to go out there and play those songs. Yeah. You know, like, and then they can understand because they see situations like with what happened in the UK having to change venues because of the really tragic accident. But we had a really good relationship with obviously Paul Ryan over there in the

UTA and we're able to, it's a place we've been before. So we have good relationships and we can sort these problems out. We've never been to Brazil. Yeah. We don't know these. promoters. So it was, it was just so much harder. Yeah.

And what people don't realize early, earlier on with your music, especially like, you could say like two to three years ago when you guys were right on the cusp of getting, now, where you are today and where you were two, three years ago, two different places. So going to Brazil still costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah. The whole thing happened. And for where you were then, it was impossible.

for you guys to solve that. Yeah. And so I think it's sweet though that you guys get to finally go down there. Yeah. And I'm sure that like it's going to be one of the sickest shows. Yeah. I just can't wait to play like some of the, some of the classics that they've never got to hear. You know, they never got to hear friends or swim or any of that.

And then same with Japan. Have you heard the story about Mitchell and Singapore? I mean, I know he was getting recognized everywhere. He's pretty like recognizable. Yeah. it says something about when you're walking down the street in a country you've never been Singapore. You'll likely have the same experience in Japan.

You'll likely have the same experience in if you went to Indonesia. Yeah. If you went to Thailand. It says a lot about where your music is today, which is a great way to, I feel like the beginning of our conversations is always like we're catching up. But the things that I really want to talk to you about with Chase Atlantic is you have to be aware of how important Chase Atlantic is in the modern music landscape. Yeah. Whether you could say it or would say it, you likely wouldn't.

I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the three of you live in a bubble where you're just making music and going out and touring and you're not experiencing your music. your music from the outside like I am. Yeah. I'm privy to go in the bubble sometimes and get to see how you guys work, but I'm existing outside of the bubble watching it grow. And the thing I'll say is it's the most organic musical organism that I've ever been a part of. Yeah.

I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. I think from the beginning, like the early days in Madden, like when we first came here to do the first record, even from them, we were just these young guys, you know, we had a couple EPIs out, we played in front of, you know, 200 people in Sydney. But from then, we always had like a vision. And we never really settled. I remember us being, I mean, honestly, we were kind of, we probably, to some people would have seemed like we were being kind of like pre-Madonnas where we're like, no, we're not

doing it this way. It has to be done our way. have to write it. We have to have control over everything. And we, you know, at the time, we didn't have anything to kind of prove that we were going to go in this direction, just a feeling. And I think you guys had the same feeling. We just, and you and Benji always said this. And I think Josh as well always said, just trust your gut. Because your gut has gotten you this far. And that's what we just continued to do. And it's something that I think we still live by. I think you've gotten good at it. Yeah. Trusting the gut. You know, we listen. We obviously

listen to other people, but a lot of the time, even sessions with people, you know, these acclaimed songwriters and stuff, we've spoken about this. We get into the room together and then once we're in rooms with other people, most of the times it doesn't work out because we just want to do things our way. We want to be at the helms of the ship. You know, we want to be the captains. We want to steer it and drive it. And understandably, some people who come to the sessions are like, well, you know, this isn't

going to work. This collaboration might not work. And that's just because we have a clear vision. And our vision is to make everything, like going back to being the perfectionist, you know, people might be like, oh, it's good at how it is. But Mitchell and Clinton and sometimes myself can hear like, this is not how, this is not Chase Atlantic quality just yet. But also, like, there's something to be said for, like, to me, there's an honesty in there

when you listen to all the records, one after the other, when you listen to the EPs, the records. and you listen to the growth of the music over time. Yeah. And you see the art. There's also something about you guys wanting to, it strikes me. I feel like I know you guys pretty well. You want to do it yourself not for any other reason than to push to the limit of what you're personally capable of. Yeah.

And if someone else is coming in and maybe they're up here in their career, or experience or even skill, right? Acclaimed songwriters, producers, whatever. If that's not you, in my mind, you guys are like, we'll get there on our own. We don't want you. We don't want to take your success, your skill. We want to build our own. So we want to push our thing to the limit of what we can do.

And keep pushing it. And I feel like you guys are kind of like, from my experience in 20-some years, you guys are one of the most unique group of artists that collaborate together, work together as a band, write together, produce together, dream together. Yeah. And do it as a unit. Chase Atlantic today, 11, 12 million monthly listeners on Spotify. That's with no Hot 100 charting single.

No, no radio play. No radio play. No support. No support. It feels like you guys have been. outside of the mainstream so long enough that you don't depend on it to make you feel good about yourselves? Well, that was a problem with the early days was they couldn't put us on any playlist.

They weren't sure if it was R&B. Was it an alternative? Was it pop? Was it rock? And then they started almost making, what was it, like the Gen Z playlists and stuff? And things like TikTok that just people don't care about the genres anymore. But that didn't exist really when you guys started. We met when you were a teenager.

Yeah. I was still in, I was in high school. Yeah, 10 or I, I'm crazy. Got permission that day from my parents to leave school to come meet you guys. What did they say? Well, I mean, you guys, good Charlotte was easily before you guys did the voice and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Australia. I mean, I explained this to people in America as well.

I'm like, you guys were the, you know, the one direction of Australia. Like, couldn't go to any of the dancers. about them playing, you know, one of the songs. And I was a massive fan, you know. And so that day, that day when we met, well, I think someone had reached out on Twitter to something to the group. And originally we didn't think it was real. So we just kind of ignored it or something or an email.

Yeah, it was weird. It was hard to get to you guys at first. Yeah. And then I was like, no, I really want to meet. And then we met. Do you remember? We were in Bondi. Yep.

It was Bondi. I don't know if people just saw then, but me picking up a water. bottle, taking up the cap off and putting it back on is actually symbolic because the first day we met, I remember I had this water bottle and I was shaking so much. Yeah, you were shaking a little bit. I dropped the cap on the floor and I was just put it back. I was like, I'm not picking up the cap in front of these guys. No way.

I was so nervous. You guys were so freaking, you guys were so cool, so young and still you, the same guy I met is the same guy that's sitting here. And that's one of the things that I feel like, that's how I know I'm right. Yeah. There's nothing better than when you meet a talented person who hasn't been, you know, fully realized. You know, especially at your age, you were young. There's no way you guys could be fully realized at that age. Yeah.

But I'd say you guys are very, if not, if you're not there, you're very close to being like the fully realized version of like what you were setting out to be, right? I mean, you're moving into arenas. You're moving into all the level that everyone dreams are getting to. Yeah. And I still think we're not proving people wrong necessarily, but, you know, people, I still feel sometimes are trying to play it safe with us. They're not sure how big it is because, you know, they're not seeing this massive fan base that we have, this like really solid core of people that have just. Well, those people exist in places that you don't care about. Yeah.

That's why they haven't fully realized. Exactly. They'll be, this is what happens in music. So any artist that's out there that's making art they care about versus trying to have what I would call the success measured by the industry as a standard. They have to create those metrics to make sense of art. But we know that art, you can't always make sense. of it and then usually later on it makes sense and you're you know you're arriving to the party with

everyone else yeah so by the time the people that don't that struggle to make sense of chase atlantic can yeah you won't care because you'll have moved on to move to the next phase of your so that's just tends to be how it works so the satisfaction of an artist that i think the satisfaction we want to get as artists like there is a little bit that we'll never get because the people that measure the standard are way behind yeah so i think like chase atlantic has always been ahead and you guys live ahead that's just how you think and i mean if even when it comes to the songwriting we'll have written a song you know three years ago and that's when it starts to pick up and we're like maybe we're a bit ahead of this you have a lot of artists that like your band you guys have been

influential in I think the recent years you've definitely had an influence on people and I think I always say to artists like to meet the guys is to love them the decisions you make for your music are going to be the what's best for your music so that has nothing to do like if if you're not going to collaborate with someone or if you're not whatever decisions you make for your music is your music and I like always I always respect the the lines you guys draw yeah I always think that's That's really, I wish I would have done more of that when I was your age. Yeah. But I think that's a good thing with having three people.

It's a democracy in a way where if it's two people against one, and not against when I say that, it's like we go through the pros and cons with everything, with shows, with appearances, we say, how is this going to make us look? How much control do we have over it? And then we'll come together kind of a vote, but not really. It's just like if two people are really interested and I'll, I'll. sometimes be the one that'll bring up a lot of questions. Right. Like, you know, like we have this performance thing coming up just a small thing and I've got questions about it. But, you know,

Clinton just reassures me of all the questions like, this will be fine because this is going to be when we're in Lake Tahoe doing the album. Right. And I really want to be like for this, for this, you know, like this is our fourth album coming up. Yep. I want to be like super locked in and in the zone. So that's why, you know, go to a cabin, lock ourselves in this beautiful cabin, go fishing. like you said, just like what we used to do back in the day when we were doing the first album, the Y Stop Now's, and when we were in our element, when we'd go to Yosemite. And that's what we would do every time, even before Beauty and Day. Be with nature.

Be with nature. And that's what, that's how we grew up. You know, Mitchell and Clinton from Cairns being surrounded by this beautiful tropical paradise and then me being from the beaches. Like we grew up in nature. And L.A.'s actually got a lot of beautiful places. just around it. Like you,

growing up, you never think, when you think of Los Angeles, you think of like the Hollywood Walk and like the sign and stuff, but you don't think about the beautiful mountains that like surround it. With a desert or,

like, Yosemite or. You know, out the roof when we're going out to the desert up in, what is it? Lanker, Lankaster. Lancaster.

Yeah, out there. I mean, there's so much, so many beautiful different like biomes around. Joshua tree. Joshua tree. Like, we haven't even done like a Joshua tree record yet.

Yeah. Well, you will. Everyone has to do a Joshua Tree record. Yeah. But that's interesting too because like when you listen to Chase Atlantic's music, you could say you guys are very like electronic in a lot of ways. But when I think of you, I think of you guys as organic and live.

Yeah. It's so interesting because like you guys are great at programming and you write music that has really lends itself to like the modern era of music. But you all play instruments. Yeah. Like, it's, I mean, you're a better guitar player than I am. I'm so overrated. We're the most overrated guitar players.

But your music could be categorized as electronic. Yeah. But it's not. It's live. I mean, you guys are all playing. It's just interesting, like, the layers you guys have as a band. And then when it's such an interesting juxtaposition because when I also look at you guys, you look like a modern group.

Yeah. But you're really like old souls. Yeah. Like you're, it's weird. Like you guys exist like a lot of the old bands that I used to, that we used to tour with. And I think about where are you guys,

it's kind of very Australian. Yeah. Like how nature centric you guys are in your lives. Well, I think just like, even though Chase Atlantic, you know, Chase Atlantic's been around for a while.

We may have only really started to get, um, to decade. Yeah, you know, to decade. You've been with us for, like 99% of the ride.

Yeah. There was at 1% where we were making the first EPs and stuff in bed, like, the long time you guys got. Yeah. I mean, the guys were in college, um, university. Yeah. And I was in year 12 when we had like our first song kind of pop off. Yep.

And, you know, we were just in school. And then, um, you know, you guys kind of brought us out here for the first time. We had no money. We couldn't afford to fly out to, to Los Angeles and stay. And you guys like put us in a place, brought us to a studio and kind of like, I mean, When you guys got this place, for the first album, we just locked ourselves in these rooms every night. Great. And then in the new record, we have this on Cold Nights.

Yeah. And that is, that was written during that first album cycle. Oh, wow. And some of the first, some of the first words, I don't know why we decided to revisit it. Because it's a really good song. I don't know why we didn't really sit in the first place. But the lyrics are about us spending every night in the studio because that's, That was all we had at the time.

We have to make a record, you know. We have to make John and Benji proud. We have to prove to our family that like this has justified us. This is worth it. We're not throwing our lives away. And then mom and dad were like, the only thing we want you to do is finish high school. If you can finish high school, we'll be happy. So I'm gonna, and like my music, my hair changed with me and has to be able to

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My mom said the same thing to me. Yeah, just finish high school. Yeah. Because I already knew when I was in 10th, 11th grade. I was like,

it's over. going. Yeah, I would go to the library and just like, you know, people are studying and I'm just playing music and, you know, messing it online or whatever. Yeah, just like just messing around. And, you know, speaking to Mitchell and Clinton all day about songs, Mitchell and Clinton at that time during the early days, it would just be them to like starting ideas and they would send them to me and I would either write a verse. And then I would fly first to Cairns and then to Brisbane and we'd spend three weeks together. And I guess, you know, we're 16, 7,000. and which just us three in a house together.

I actually, and Taylor as well. Taylor was there. And that was just, again, some of the most fun days where we would just spend all day playing games and cooking our own food and stuff, which was super weird. Mitch and I are too young to buy beers so Clinton would go and get beers for us.

And then somehow at the end of the day, we'd sit down and there's like, I've got a video of it on my Instagram where like just started with like a bass riff for fun and then Mitchell just started experiencing with like electronic drums and that's how we got friends yeah and even though friends on what you're saying is a band song you know it's like it's like a rock song it's it's one of my favorites still yeah i can't stand it when y'all if y'all don't play ever don't play it you have to tell mitchell that man i know i always tell mitchell i always tell him as well you've got to play friends

i said he went to the 1975 concert and i said i promised you they're going to play chocolate And if they play chocolate, we were at dinner with Benji and they were going to the concert. And I said, if they play chocolate, we have to play friends again. And he was like, sure, sure. The story that I heard is that they got there late. And as soon as they walked in, they were playing chocolate. And I was like, we have to play friends again. We have to.

We have to play friends again. If you're listening, if you're listening, I'm sure it's not. In fact, I'll guarantee you a bunch of people will go online after hearing this and petition for friends. I just think it's an important part of the Chase Atlantic story. and I think that like a lot of times I'm guilty of it as well. Yeah. I don't want to play some songs off our first album because I don't like hearing myself sing like there's some moments where I like kind of am like,

totally. But it's part, but I feel like we have to look at ourselves. Yeah. At our younger version when we maybe, even if we made a mistake or if we did something, whatever we did, we have to love. our young self. Yeah. Because we didn't know.

You didn't know. And now you could say we edit ourselves and we, and I do. I mean, I'm, I'm too cool. Yeah. To do that or this or that. Like if I'm being honest. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like what happens to us as we grow up is we get too cool because we got made

fun of enough or we got criticized enough or we got, we were embarrassed enough that we started editing ourselves. It's natural. Yeah. I don't think, I'm not saying we should be anyone else than who we are right now. Yeah. But we should also love that version of ourselves. Totally.

It didn't know any better. Like, we have this song on, um, on, uh, the first album, Good Charlotte, uh, little things. And in the beginning, I'm like, yeah, yeah, this song is dedicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get embarrassed. Yeah. To hear that sometimes on the wrong day. Sometimes I don't go fuck.

But sometimes I'm like, oh, don't play that for so and so. I don't want so-and-so to hear it or whatever. But then I'm like, you know what, fuck it. I was trying my best at a time that was really hard for me. I was trying to make it. And I was trying to do something good. And I was trying my best. And I've got to embrace that.

Yeah. And this is not. And yours isn't even as bad as mine. Trust me. Friends is dope. Yeah, I love friends. It's cool as shit. I completely agree with what you're saying.

And it's not even selective to music or to the entertainment industry. You know, people go through high school. you know, trying different clothes. I mean, even this like TikTok era, I feel like people, you know, doing the dancing videos might look back one day and be like, oh, I probably shouldn't have posted, you know, so many videos and be dancing. But that's just what we're doing at the time. That's what we do.

That's what we do. Fuck it. You know, don't worry about what people are going to think in 10 years and don't be, like, embarrassed about, you know, a mistake. Not for being yourself. Yeah. Hell no. Worry about it if you're saying some bullshit or you're hating someone or you're being fucking mean.

Do you feel like Australia? understands you guys yet? Well, this is, yeah. So, I don't think we've been played on Triple J once. Right. And that's, you know, I'm not going to sit here and diss Triple J. Is what it is. I understand that they have a certain musical quota.

They have this ideology of like what's cool and what's not. And they believe that they're the tastemakers for that. Totally understand. Not going to diss your Triple J. But we were never part of that. And not once was Triple J ever incorporated in our story and I think the biggest bands in Australia have all at some point had triple J a part of their story.

Yeah, you go back to Australia, you sell out all your shows. And we sell out, we sell out the Enmore in one day, and then we sell out Horton Pavilion, like again, the next day. And that's, to me, in my experience. So that says to me the people, the people know. The fans love you. The fans know. But then there's no, I was actually speaking to my friends and my dad about this, there's,

you know, the enemy in Australia. There's all these great publications, right? And they just, there's not one mention about us doing something historic. You don't get any love from them. To me, like, without trying to sound too arrogant, that's historic. I'm from Sydney, I've seen bands play, you know, The Horton. With hits. With hits, you know, I've seen some bands.

with four or five people on that, you know, on that lineup. And we, the year before, or two years before, we played in front of 700 people in Sydney to come back, play 5,000. And then the next night, excuse me, 2,400 people. And the next time you go, you'll likely play the arena. And not a single word about it. We're not in a magazine, no newspaper, nothing about it. That's interesting.

I was on the, on the, listening to the radio on the way to the Horton, show and they're talking about a different show that night at a smaller venue at the Oxford Arts Factory. Right. And I just couldn't believe it. I was like, what have we done to upset these people? Well, I don't know if I would look at it that way. I think that like, first of all, the thing that I feel like is important to say is that,

and this is why I ask, because I know Australia is important to you. Yeah. And I think that sometimes in Australia, people go away to, you know, America or they'll go to the UK and they'll find success. And I think sometimes in Australia people get, they can sometimes look at it like, oh, you left, you don't care about us. And I know that to not be true because I've known you guys. And you know how much I love Australia. Of course.

And how much time I've spent there in my life. And it's really like a second home. Yeah. And if there was any other place I'd live besides America where my wife is from and her family is, there was anywhere else I was going to live. It would be Sydney. Yeah, Australia. I live in Sydney. I love Sydney.

I love Australia. but I also understand sometimes I feel like I can almost feel people there thinking or like, I don't know, it's weird. No, it's, it's totally a real thing. It happens in the sports world as well. Right. If you have a sports player, we had this fantastic rugby player who just gave it a shot. He wanted to come over here and play football and he just got completely slaughtered in the press and stuff. And it's anybody for trying.

And it's something that always is playing in the. back of my head right now and it's Aesap Rocky and he's in an interview and he's like when did it become lame for people to try things like for people to actually try yeah when did that become not like when did that become uncool but I actually think that like anybody on the street if you're walking down the street in Bondi or in Sydney somewhere or anywhere in Australia and you met any person in that and and whether they'd heard of Chase Atlantic or not there They would get it. Yeah.

But it's almost like a systematic behavior of the press and the people that control. And the venues. And the venues. It's the venues and the, and like when we went there the one time, we couldn't get into these venues, they would look and they say, well, triple J is not playing you. You're not on triple J. You're not in the, you know, you're not in the top 100s. But Triple J will likely play you guys.

I hope so. Absolutely. I think that it's only a matter of time because of the size of your fan base. I think that there's no way they can deny the people listening. Like the size of your fan base in Australia is now massive. But then you also have other bands like the 1975. You have Matt Healy coming out, you know, Triple J doing, this is not a Triple J diss at all by the. No, no, it's just...

Triple J kind of represents the standard of like what is set for like cool shit in Australia. So it's not just Triple J because I actually think personally, I look at it. your band's success there with the fans. Yeah. And it's insane. It's insane. But the kind of music industry at large feels like they're punishing you guys a little bit for coming here and signing.

Yeah. And doing. So I get that too, by the way. Yeah. Because I've worked obviously in Australia and in America. I understand all of the kind of the feelings and the politics and all that. And I think that I've always said this to you guys. you just have to continue to be you.

Us. And at some point, no one can deny you, especially if you're honest and you're just unapologetic about doing what you feel you have to do. Because also to, I know this for a fact, that any journalist that would sit down with you guys, any program director, music director for any radio station, any label person, any person in the industry could sit down with you guys, will love you guys. because you're very honest and you're super cool and friendly. You're very Australian in the scent in that way of like,

you could hang with anyone, have a beer and it's cool. Whether they like were your biggest fan or not. Yeah. And that's why I think like you're, it's a long road, but the next time you go down there, I think you're playing arenas and you're likely doing a lot of stuff you weren't doing because at some point you can't deny the fans.

Yeah, I mean, I just can't imagine. imagine if we're over there next time arenas, which I really believe we're going to be doing arenas next time. I mean, I think so. 7,000 or seven and a half thousand tickets in Sydney alone. I think so too, yeah. In a few days.

And I just, I just hope that there's some things about it. Because like you said, the people, the people know, the fans know, my friends know. When I think about Chase Atlantic, I think of you guys are the perfect example of, and anyone that's listening that's building something, right? Maybe they're in a band. or maybe they're building a career as a makeup artist or maybe they're building a business or maybe they're you know i always think the years the year's zero to 10 of the development of anything are the most critical yeah and in somewhere in year like i think it's zero to five is development

yeah five to 10 is phase one where you start to see some success and some fruit from all of the trying. I think you guys are entering phase two. Yeah. Where now you're going to probably do the work that the world will know you for. Yeah. And all your fans out there that have been here, they know from the first EP to the last record. I know every word.

They know every song. That's your roots. That's your core. Those fans are going to, like, they'll be with you for the rest of your. your life. As long as you guys are who you are, they'll be who they are and they'll grow with you. What our relationship has been so grateful. This is ages ago when I said I lost my train of thought. Is that always has been what we've said is we do it the way we want to. We trust our guts. We trust our instincts. We don't mind. We'll do the longevity. At the start, you know,

I remember us coming in and saying like, oh, why haven't we? You know, we just released our first song. Why isn't it number one on the radio? Because we didn't understand. And you guys, you're like, you know, take it easy, the longevity, building that backbone and what you're saying in the first five years of the fundamentals, if you skip those fundamentals and you go straight to phase one, then you've got nothing to fall back on. And the wheels will fall off. Wheels will fall off. So it's really frustrating for an artist as someone who's been in that. I'm sure you have two of those first five years where you're like, you know, it's plateaued. You might have a little bump, but, you know, it's still plateaued. It's not like, I don't know if

this is going to get any bigger. But for Mitchell, Vincent and I, I don't know why. There was just never any doubt. I always tell artists, be weary of the early pop success. Yeah.

What you see a lot is artists that have early pop success try to reverse, go to indie afterwards. Indie afterwards. They try to, they go through the early pop success. It's not quite what they thought it would be.

Yeah. And as an artist, and they get older and they start to mature in other ways. And as an artist, they want to relate to the artists that they love. Yeah. And they want to make art that is maybe feels different. Yeah. Now, pop success is incredible in some ways.

Yeah. You guys have done the indie kind of independent success. And so you've yet to have the pop success. Yeah. But this is the thing that's crazy about, Jason Lennox, you sell more tickets than a lot of the pop success artists. Yeah. So that's the interesting thing is like it's taking you 10 years, but now you have this

fan base that if and when you do have that pop moment, they're going to celebrate that too. Exactly. Your fans are going to love that. It's a real thing, which again is what you and Benji would always say, having the real fan base, the difference between internet fame and, you know, and getting streams and plays. Like, how does that translate to a live aspect? And that was something that you guys always, you know, pushed us on. You know, you pushed us on, no, sorry, not pushed us.

You forced us on our first tour. Just. You forced us on Warp Tour. No, so like doing things like Warp Tour where obviously, you know, you're not getting paid a lot. It doesn't matter. But it's basically boot camp for that. It's boot camp. 26 shows in a row.

You never have to do that ever again. It's like, here you go. You've done that. Don't worry. You never have to do 20. 26 shows like that ever again. Let's you got through it. You get through it.

Didn't break up. No, you didn't break up. You get tougher, you know, tougher, tougher skin. Actually, just in London, we saw Rob from Don Broko. And that was the first time we had seen him since Warped Tour. Yeah, you make tons of friends. Tons of friends. Oh, I mean, we have the Palais Royal guys.

Yeah, dude. You guys, you earn your... Water parks, water parks guys. Yeah. It was crazy time. times back there. Yeah. But God, it was, it was, it was, it was hell. It was really tough. Really tough.

Like, you get up, I don't know, surely the people have, know this, but you get up every day at 8 o'clock to go unload. You unload the buses and you don't know. So everyone's up because you don't know if you're playing at 8, 10 AM or if you're playing it, you know. 4 p.m. Yeah. So, you're crazy.

But two people have to go unload the trucks anyway. You got to get the merch to the merch tank. You got to get everything out. So you do that. So the bands are doing that. The bands are all. there unloading everything and then you get your schedule and it's like I'm going to go back to bed like and then you're trying you go back to bed and it's wop tour so there's a bunch you know

screaming artists and metal bands which is great love that when it's 6 p.m not when it's yeah no when it's 10 a.m i'm like trying to find where the coffee is yeah you've been up till 4 a.m. yeah and then the i mean honestly at that time people on wobtore are superhuman right right you know, staying up till 4 a.m. 5 a.m. going crazy because they party every night, every night. It's like they call it punk rock summer camp. Yeah. I just couldn't believe it. I mean, and every band throws like each night it'll be someone else's party. So there'll be, you know, Youngblood had his party one night. Yeah. That was back in the day though. You guys in Youngblood were sharing a bus. Remember that? Yeah, of course I do. You guys, dude, that was,

I also think like as hard as the work is there on that tour because especially like you guys weren't in a spot where like like you cert there is like a hierarchy on that tour with the bands that have been doing it for a decade and this. And so so at the time you guys were coming in having to get to know everybody. Yeah. And I was like, who are these kids? Yeah. From Australia.

Right. They were people. The question was can we hang? Can you hang? Can we hang? Can we, can we, you know. you know open up before Don Broko who's you know I knew you guys great heavy band and we did too we had no like not to sound arrogant but we

knew we were like we can hangar again yeah I mean the first tour you guys put us on was with you know sleeping with sirens palais royal yeah the white noise which was so you know polar different to what but you did it and that's what made our band live a heavy rock band we're like we're a heavy band live yeah it's a rock show yep And so we knew, I knew other people had doubts, but we knew. And then back to Youngblood, I mean, he has some sort of, I've said this before, some magic, some magic like, Casselius says the word. It's like when you affirmation. Right.

So Youngblood will be like, I'm going to, this is going to happen. This is going to happen. This is going to happen. And it happens. I don't, he's such a hard worker. But he'll be like. He manifests it. Yeah.

He's like, I'm going to, I'm going to have a. song with Halsey and I'm like sure you will I believe in that yeah I believe that he's affirmation or just manifestation manifestation sorry that yeah being manifesting you know I think again anybody that's listening that may like look up to you or your band and may go like how do they do it obviously hard work is the is is is is one of the ingredients absolutely of any success yeah hard work no one that's successful I promise no one that's successful did not work hard. Maybe it looks like they haven't, but you haven't seen the, the gaze in between.

Yeah. Right. And whether they make it look easy or hard is a different thing. How I make it look is my attitude, right? And my outward attitude to the world is if I look miserable, you are going to be miserable watching me. Yeah. If I look like I'm having a good time, you'll likely have a good time watching me.

Yeah. Right. So I think that how we do the hard work is as important as the hard. as the hard work. Do we do it with joy? Do we have fun? And when we get hit with adversity, which you have,

certainly in your own life. And I know personally, not only just coming from Australia, being in the band, every single time you got thrown onto a tour when you were younger, you went and you did it and you had an attitude

like you were enjoying it. I promise you not a majority of people actually aren't like that. A majority of people, maybe they're anxious, maybe they're, you know, self-esteem. I understand why, what can keep people from expressing joy. I get it. I've struggled with it too. Yeah. But I've learned that one of the ingredients of success is hard work. Yeah. A good attitude. and then we have to identify what we want and we have to talk about it. If I want to be there, I got to talk about getting there. And then it all starts to work together.

And if you're really, if you're, if you're kind of acclimating your mind and your thoughts towards your ultimate goal and you're almost in like a constant meditation of the things you want and the things you want to achieve. Your brain is like constantly looking towards that and solving problems. In order to get to that. Yeah. Yeah. And so it all just starts to work together and it becomes this like way of life.

And I think that you guys do that inherently. Yeah. It's just who you are. It's all business. I know like, well, it's fun when I get to come backstage and see you guys. Big chill party. And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, time to work. Game face for the show.

Game face. Well, that's, you know, that's another thing, like, I know that a lot of us and everyone, like, you know, going before, before you go on stage, every time, it's nerve-wracking. You know, there's times where you just straight away, start getting the sweaty palms and you start shaking you like, oh, okay, I'm getting hit with that, you know, I'm anxious. But as soon as you step out on that stage, and Mitchell's been so good recently at, like, talking about it on stage, he's like, once we're here, once we're on stage, he's like, all. of that is out of the door. Like, this is, this is a show, just be free, have fun as best as you can. And don't, you know, don't worry about that. And it's, you know, it's so such a throwaway sometimes to be like, don't worry about it. But the way that he is on stage when you're just looking at him and you're just listening to the concert. And in those moments, nothing else in the world matters.

Nothing else in the world matters except for this show. It's like, you see surfers, how relaxed they are because they spend so much time in the ocean. And they actually have to be relaxed to find their balance. Yeah. They don't have their phone on them. All they're thinking about right now is this one job and this thing. That's kind of back. That's back on the manifestation.

If all you're thinking about is I want Chase Atlantic to be the biggest band in the world, which is still the ultimate goal to be the biggest band in the world, not second, not third, not fourth. I believe it too, bro. I believe it. I believe that we have the ability to be the biggest band because, you know, even when we see this, you know, that it's getting bigger, the numbers are going up. We don't want that to ever die.

We want to keep working. That's called ambition. Yeah. Wanting to be the biggest band we can possibly be. And when people say, you know, where do you see yourself in 10 years? I just said, number one band in the world because that's what we want to be. Don't want to be anything less. And that just comes from, like you said, hard work.

You know, you can't have three albums that do, you know, the time. do really well and you go on these big tours and then you go, okay, you know, that's it. We'll just sit back and hopefully watch the numbers go up. No, we go back. Get to work. Make another album. Get ready to go on tour again. Try to beat.

Because the last record was your best record yet. Yeah. I just love that album. But that was such a real time of like vulnerability. And I don't know if it was intentional, but the way that the album is structured from start from like paranoid being one of the first songs that we wrote during it. It's like that's how we're feeling about COVID. You know, like what's going to happen to the world.

Yeah. Paranoid. And then you go through it. And it's a mixture of emotions because there was times, you know, when we get to out the roof where we were like, we're having fun. You know, we're just, we realize and like it's just us three in this house. We can do whatever we want for like the first time. We can do whatever we want.

And then it kind of goes back and back. and then it finishes with wasted and it's like just kind of the ending of the somber ending is like he doesn't we don't care anymore it's like it's fine I'm excited about the next album because you guys are going away

and you're like kind of walling yourselves off and going into your into wherever you got to go your zone yeah I'm super excited to hear what comes from that and also to hear about like whatever journey that takes you guys on yeah to find that zone and be there together it's going to be it's going to be interesting we're kind of a bit of a sober band now as well so so so uh off the drinking um we've quit

drinking so it's going to be like a really really focused album just interesting yeah it's just been time you know as Australians and as band guys alcohol's always been a part of our lives yeah not quitting drinking forever but no but you want to see what it's like like break up the relationship with it because and that's that's something that you know we may have dealt with certain substances in the past but being able to break up with that reestablish a relationship with i think that's super healthy yeah when i think about MDDN you guys were one of the first artists us in waterpox yeah and you guys have believed in me as much as i believe in you right and and everything any of us all do it's like family it's just like we're supporting we're all

it's just it's very hard to explain and you know in this industry it's very rare you meet people and have get to have the experience that we've gotten to have together you know so like to see that it's possible and to see like it's taking you guys 10 years to build the momentum that you have yeah and you are literally just just breaking through. Yeah. And you're already, you have this like really respectable and exciting career. Yeah.

And you did it yourselves. And that is to me the most important thing about Chase Atlantic is you guys have carved out a path that is was not guaranteed. Yeah. The proof is in your albums and your music. The proof is in the 12 million people a month that listen to you. The proof is in the, you. you know, the big shows you're selling out and the arenas you're going to sell out. The proof is in all of it.

But actually at the core and the center of all that is this really like small unit that does big things. You guys are like grounded, cool-ass guys who care about each other. Yeah. Care about your families. You care about the people listening to your music. You care. You find a way to. And I guess it all goes back to like you guys, the organic nature of your group that you've grown organically over time is the reason I think you have so many roots and the reason that you're able to be grounded.

And I think that you in particular sit in the middle of like these kind of like the spectrum of the cave brothers. Yeah. You like sit in the middle in a really interesting way because you're one part of you is a lot like Mitchell. Yeah. One part of you is like Clinton. Yeah. And then you're in the middle also that like there's also an element of you that is completely unique to you. Just like two of them.

And like you have to give yourself and Benji credit as well because I think when growing up and I really wish a lot more bands got to have the mentoring that you guys do. Because if you look at the people who have worked with you, if you look at DeWain, if you look at Austin, the nicest people ever because. Because of what you guys have taught us and what we've seen from you guys being, you know, the huge band that you guys are, the huge success story, you know, the fame, whatever, celebrity status. But the fact that you guys, when we're sitting down and we're talking, it's just friends, it's brothers, it's from the very beginning. You know, we, when I met you in Bondi to the next time we saw you, you know, being at the voice, you know, with all these producers and stuff around, like, it just didn't matter to you. like come to other trailer let's go hang out like it just we learned from you guys that it's doesn't cost anything to be nice to be nice be sweet to the people around you respect your crew yeah be easy to work with be easy to work with because word travels and you know just don't harbor

any you know any hatred or anything like there's there's no there's no reason to be salty or pissy about things just like around to the people around when you're you know when you're at a concert or something just try and be as as loving as possible helpful as possible um and there's all things we learned from you guys things that i would like to think that we would have been able to do ourselves you would have that's very nice you to say but you guys are good quality people but isn't isn't it interesting that all the people that are in madden are all super nice Birds of a feather, baby. Yeah.

Every artist that's having any success should be talking to someone. Yeah. So that they can work it out. You're saying like therapy? Or therapy or just someone that has done it before and can help you make sense of it. Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, it's been such a, again, like you guys have gone through the road that we have and the path and to be able to have you guys as advice, as mental as but also as managers. for you guys to help navigate us into situations so that we're not, you know, maybe in a

situation where you guys were when you weren't happy with a dealer or a contract, we're able to avoid those. I'm pretty sure the Madden slogan is management by artists, four artists. Yeah, right? Four artists by artists. Four artists by artists. And I think that's something that you definitely feel here. All right, dude.

Well, thank you for having me, man. Can't wait for the album. It's going to be good. We've got a big year ahead of us. Big year. and off to Tahoe. Love you, bro. It's made the best album ever.

Thanks, bro. Cheers. All right, I hope you guys enjoyed part one of the Chase Atlantic series next week, part two. I'm speaking with Clinton Cave.