Artist Friendly with Joel Madden - Chase Atlantic: Part 3 - Mitchel Cave

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

In the third and final installment of Artist Friendly’s three-part series featuring Australian alternative trio Chase Atlantic, host Joel Madden is joined by lead vocalist and bass guitarist Mitchel Cave. Join Joel and Mitchel for an in-depth and memorable conversation about when Joel first discovered Chase Atlantic, how the band’s sound has evolved, how to create a unique universe from music and art, and how they both approach their personal creative processes and creativity in general. Parts one and two of the series featuring vocalist and rhythm guitarist Christian Anthony and lead guitarist Clinton Cave out now. ------- Listen to their Artist Friendly conversation on ⁠⁠Spotify.⁠ ------- Follow Artist Friendly! IG: @artist.friendly TikTok: @artist.friendly YouTube: youtube.com/@artist.friendly ------- Host: Joel Madden, @joelmadden Executive Producers: Joel Madden, Benji Madden, Jillian King Producers: Josh Madden, Joey Simmrin, Janice Leary Visual Producer/Editor: Ryan Schaefer Audio Producer/Composer: Nick Gray Music/Theme Composer: Nick Gray Cover Art/Design: Ryan Schaefer Additional Contributors: Anna Zanes, Neville Hardman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, everybody. Welcome to artist-friendly from Alternative Press, our three-part Chase Atlantic series. Today, I'm talking to Mitchell Cave. So the way Wheel of Fortune works is... We started? Yeah, we're starting. So the way Wheel of Fortune works is you have a wheel that has... Have you ever seen it? I mean, I saw the photo. Okay. So the way it works is you have... wheel with all these different dollar amounts right and there's a clicker and you spin the wheel

fortune right yeah so but then there's also a loser turn bankrupt things like that so so you spend the wheel lands on a dollar amount and then there's a board with words that are aren't covered oh that's what it is you pick a letter and every letter that's on that you get the dollar amount and then if you solve the puzzle you they also have like each round who I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. Whoever solves the puzzle gets $5,000 or $10,000.

So I went on Wheel of Fortune for charity. Are you allowed to just say the word like outright if you know what it is? Or do you have to keep adding letters? It's got to be on your turn. You can solve the puzzle. But like say it's your turn and then you can just solve it. You can just be like all the letters. You say I'd like to solve the puzzle.

Oh. So okay. And then you solve it. Because I've never seen anyone do that. I've just seen them add letters. And I'm like, this is quite obvious way. You can also buy a vow. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Like, vows, I've seen people adding the letters, but never, like, just executing it from the get-go. Right. So, so, this would be kind of hard, but I went on the show. Did you win it? I won, I won. Yeah. $200,000. Nice.

To which charity? M.I.B. agents, which is charity for kids who are battling osteosarcoma, which is a rare bone cancer. Wow. And it's a great organization. I'd say one 200,000. One, 200,000. About 198. That's so good.

Yeah, it was good. For a good cost. That's a really good. Made me feel good. A lot of good common points for that as well. Yeah. Not that, not that you did it for that reason. Just good.

But a lot of good common points. And it's kids, you know, like kids struggling with it. And especially when it's so, like, uncommon. My question is, so my question is, is how would you Mitchell do on Wheel of Force? I win. Like I was saying. I feel like you win. I'm not adding vowels. I'm just going to say it out, right?

I actually think you win. I feel like every time I'm watching the show, I haven't watched it out much. I've just seen a couple of times. I'm like, come on, guys. Why are you still picking letters? Yeah. Clearly, I can know what it says. Yeah, I think you'd win. Hopefully.

I actually do. I think you're competitive. It's more of like a, is it super competitive? It's not really competitive. It's like, it's just having your wits about you. Yeah, but I also feel like if I'm sitting there, and there's a puzzle I'm going to solve it. Yeah. I mean, eventually.

And I'm also going to be impatient with the people that aren't solving it. Yeah. Especially when you're watching it on TV. You can be very biased. You know what I mean? You watch, whenever I watch, what's the show?

I've lost half more vocabulary during the movie. The one where they have to do like the obstacle course in the water and they have to jump over yourself. American Ninja? Kind of like that. But it's called like Wipe-out. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So American Ninja, basically. Australia is called Wipeout. Popular show in Australia? I'm always watching from TV and I'm like, I can do that. But then if I got that, I would just gang it straight away. Growing up in Australia, did you watch a lot of TV?

I mean, as much TV as... And how many channels were there? There was seven. Seven channels? Seven channels total. It was public access TV. So a lot of our friends had... Well, a lot of our family friends had like Foxxel and like Oster.

I think it was an one of them. They had cable TV. Satellite, satellite. Yeah, but we never had cable TV. Neither did we. But whenever we go over, we'd see, we could put on like SpongeBob. You know, you can pick what you want. It was the first introduction before streaming existed.

Right. And so I would have to wake up at weird hours like on weekends at like six so I could Watch cartoons. Yeah. Because he got real serious after like eight. Right. It was all news and stuff. So I got watch cartoons and then I wake up like six.

So like from seven to eight I was watching like whatever I could watch. It doesn't. It might even be like that Zoe show. You know what? Zoe 101. Zoe 101. Sometimes do that. I'm like, what?

Well, you get what you get? It's all you get. But the hour before that we had a little like, like a sunroof. Like in our kitchen area. And Taylor and I, my middle brother, would wake up at like six and play. Because the Game Boy Colors didn't have any backlights on them. Yeah. You need to be like in a lighted environment to see what's going on the screen.

Yeah. And then as soon as our parents woke up, it was like, chore time. We can. You do chores, you can do whatever you want for the rest of the week. You know what I mean? Not do whatever you want, but that kind of vibe. So we wake up and out early and then use that light and just pray they wouldn't wake up like come on. Are we got to get as many

Pokemon as possible? You guys play Pokemon? Uh-huh. That's cool. Well, I had to play it last because you only get one save at a time. Right. And you only had one game. And you still like Pokemon. I still love it. Yeah. I feel like I've grown fonder.

Because of the nostalgia that it carried. Right. I was so investing in it. I knew every Pokemon. You know what I knew everything about it. You guys are the only band I've ever met that has Pokemon cards on your writer. we just added that that was like a joke it's a great

it was fantastic thing to have on your writer because like it's not only is it it's spending money from the writer but in the future making money from the writer yeah it's a business call

great we got a lot of good cards a lot of expensive cards out of those that's great like some some packets getting cards worth more

than the whole two boxes combined you know and then you time your percentage of getting good cars just grows up and yeah so grow up in Australia you come here how old how old are you when you come here how first time well how old when you really came to America when you met us 18 17 17 yeah um we didn't set up shop we didn't set up shop

until later like when I was like 20 we didn't set up shop even then it was just everything It took a while. It was like Airbnb. Right. Right. I remember like we didn't have any, we didn't have any money. Yeah. We were just following our dreams.

Yeah. You guys just kind of gave us a, like you guys like the homies just like, yeah, you can crash your. If you don't stop making any money in the next couple of years, get the heck out of it. I don't think we said that, but, but. No, but you gave us, you gave us opportunity to come in and, um. Make your own way. Yeah. And, and then also like helping us with finding deals.

I mean, you might have known been the best ones. They were the ones we need to go. Like, you know what I mean? Yep. Doing all the things that we needed to do in order to set up show. Now, I feel like we're set up shop. Yeah. Like, just like within the last like three years.

Right. But before that, it was just a, it was just a, it was just that fighting mentality. Yeah. You had to learn how to like, just keep going. Just keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Everybody who, in my opinion, everybody who makes it, they either get that drive or they don't.

They either get the drive to survive and figure it out or they give up. Yeah. And if you think about it, technically, if you don't give up on anything, you can be the best of it. Yeah. I was thinking about if I just took all my time right now and just invested it into something else and just spent the rest of my life doing that, I'd eventually become like the best at it, I feel. You know? Yeah. But I haven't got time to do that.

Well, because you like what you're doing. Exactly. And it's like set in stone or I feel like destiny. So the thing I like probably the most about Chase Atlantic is it feels like you guys have carved your own path, right? It doesn't feel like you really care that much about what everyone else is doing. What everyone else is doing. Seems like you don't care about people. No, no, no.

It doesn't feel like you care that much about like if every artist is out there and their label is telling them like, do TikToks. No, no. I'm very, you know, I know. I know you. I know that. I know that. A lot of pushback. Yeah.

But that's what, but I think that's why all, I think that's why you guys have so many events. Well, yeah. I feel like when at the end of the day, it comes down to conviction. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like how real you're being. If people can, like, people aren't stupid at all. They can smell some fishy from a mouth.

Yeah. Something that's just like. You can, you can kind of tell. immediately if someone's like really doing it for the reasons that they intend to do it or if they're just doing it for because they're good at it and they think they should do it or if they really want to do it or if they're just doing it so they can be popular or famous because they're insecure or something right but i want to do it because i want to do it you know what i mean yeah i want to make music it's also my outlet yeah i don't i can't my handwriting shit even if i wrote in the diary wouldn't be able to read it be pointless and i feel like i can come i can kind of i can find myself further my emotions when i'm like when we're all making music i can find like words even that i wouldn't use in my regular vocabulary yep and just different different feelings to just to just to express to have that that that credibility of like certification that stamp of authenticity do you ever stop and go okay

You guys have three nights sold out at Brixton, sold out in 45 minutes, right? It's a lot of, that's, that's, it's crazy. 15,000 people in London. Mad love. To, in 45 minutes. You know, two nights at Pier 17. New York was insane. Australia's tour sold out.

Racking. Yeah, that's so we're not going to go there. But we had a, yes, we did have a very big night in New York. Yeah, we saw a big rat. Yes. And it turns out it was you. I was, I was, that was a very memorable night. What were you saying?

Sorry, I forgot. Okay. Sorry, continue rocking. And I hope, hopefully I get to talk to Christian and Clinton separately because I actually think like Chase Atlantic, it's interesting. You guys all have to. It's a tripod. It is. It's interesting to me how the three of you work together.

I wonder sometimes. when you, it's interesting because you guys are like in a little bubble. It's like you don't really look out at what everyone else is doing. You really are like just in your own world. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's naivity or just a general sense of like being so honed into what you want to do. Yeah, well, it feels like it's the way, it's the best way you guys work because it feels like at this stage in your career. you're you have this insanely big fan base and but you're not on the radio no or the radio of the

greater sense of radio the radio you're not um you're not you're not you don't have i don't have some big like huge PR campaign running massive right you don't have a lot of the things that like mainstream push i mean like ideally what what what they would They would tell you you need. They would say you need this. Exactly. And who is they? Yeah.

When you think about it. Who's they? I don't think about they. But it's like a lot of the things that artists think they need to be successful. You guys have. I mean, it's been kind of told, like, sold to us. Like, especially through that people. Like, I don't use internet that much.

Right. I don't know what my phone is right now. But from what I'm, like, learning when I'm having conversations with different people around my age, is that the internet it's kind of there's a I like to call it like the social pressure

of the internet where everyone feels obligated to do certain things or post certain things because if they don't do it then they're getting left behind right but it's all kind of

in retrospect it's all it's all just kind of one big shit show and you never bought into it it's an infinite world pool to me it doesn't seem like

it's ever expanding right You know what I mean? It just seems like a merry-go-round with like the biggest one you've ever seen. How do you keep yourself out of that? How do you just keep the mentality? Don't crumble to the social pressure. Right.

Don't fall to the social pressure. I don't go on Twitter. Because Twitter is a pretty toxic place, I feel. A lot of just like people who are just not happy just using Twitter as an outlet to take out their frustration, especially in day and age where you can get cancelled for doing anything. Right. You know what I mean? So that's just everyone expressing their anger through internet.

And there's not really a lot of ton of good stuff to say on Twitter. I'm not going on. I think most people are negative on Twitter. Yeah. It seems that way. Yeah. They actually look for things to complain. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very petty and toxic. So one of the things I was the most excited about, being able to talk to you. Yeah. When you, when you, when you said you,

you, you, you, I never said I would. What, yeah, you did it, you did it,

you did it, you did it. Somehow, I never actually agreed to it. Somehow we got you. I didn't know if you were actually going to show up. I actually, before you got here,

I thought there was a 50, 50 chance you might not show up, which I would have been good with because it would have, it would have continued, look, it would be,

it would be, you know, but damn, Mitchell really doesn't. No, no, it would have reinforced, like how I see you which is in a great way you do what you want just a bad person just a bad friend

no no no like you do what you want when you want and you don't really bother with anything that you don't feel at the moment yeah but not in like a selfish no no it's just very you like i i get it right like i'm just like in my head 50 50 chance if if if we're if we're gonna hang out or something there's a chance you may not feel it or there's a or you do we always have a good time Like of a community, on my end, like a communication. Yeah, whatever. Extreme lack of communication. That is actually how I see you.

Yeah. So it's not in a bad way. Yeah. It is in a very authentic way. It's more of like a, like, I don't know, just always thinking about the future. Yeah, you're like stuck in my brain. You know what I have this song. Exactly.

You're in your own world. Yeah. And the great thing about that, what comes out of that world, not only is it you're really, when we do get to hang out, you're, it's great because you're one of a kind because you're one of a kind. But also like the music that comes out of that world is worth it.

It's the best. I'm a big fan of your music. You know that. And from day one when I met you guys, I knew you guys were exact, I knew it. Explain, I'm gonna flip the script on you. Yeah. Day one, day one of meeting us.

Do you remember any of that? Yeah. I don't remember much of it. I'm not going to lie to. I remember it. Tell us a story about it. we um i met so i heard i saw your music on youtube and you didn't actually have a lot of views and i was like and i was like um i shared it with binge and i shared it with another guy

that we work with um and i was like this band is incredible i think they are doing this all on their own i could feel it you know and i was like the quality of the songwriting was it stood out. I just thought, this is really great songwriting and really good recording and really good. Like, you guys were making your own videos at that point. Your brother was always involved in that. But you guys had a thing.

You had this thing. And I was like, this is incredible that these kids are making this. It's really good. We were kids, man. You were, dude, you were like kids. We were like 16. Yeah, you were... 17. It was green. It was green. And and so we reached out

and I don't even know, I think you guys were like the fuck are these guys but no we we we we everyone in sure they know is a good shout is man right you got to you got to pay homage what homages do okay so so we were like let's meet up and we met up at a little coffee shop at christian this is this is a Christian we we we weren't there right right it was just Christian by himself that's right yeah and then when did we meet up we I don't we we went to a restaurant or something something. I think you guys came to the show. We came to a show. Remember the girl passed out? Yeah, and there was a seizure. Yeah. And we did I had to jump in the crowd. But the Christian story is that

he met up with both of you and he was like shaking. He was nervous. He was nervous. He like dropped his water bottle cap on the ground. He was nervous. It's very sweet story. Yeah. But Christian's always been like a very genuine. He's a kind heart. He's a kind of sweet guy. Yeah. He's got he's out of kind of heart. And he's like that little brother, right um if i said to him you're my little brother i don't think he'd like that no but he is he's like the little brother but he's like the best he's he's the best um so we we met up and then we came to your show and when we saw the show we were like this is it this band this band's going to be one of the biggest bands in the world which is insane but because if you look at those videos

not that versus versus now there's just something dude though you can see that you can There's just something there. There's just something there. And then we continued to talk and figure out. We were like, we want to bring you guys to America. Yeah. And you guys came over. You started making music.

We would like blank canvases. Yeah. Truly. But also we didn't. Like out style. Like how we would just like we would go to the music thing. We weren't good at anything else. But also like we didn't, we didn't lean in and try to influence you guys.

We literally just threw you guys into the studio. Yeah. I remember we were working out of the vocal booth and studio B. Yeah. And then Studio A, vocal booth. Or like, you can maybe fit a drum kit and a guitar in there. And that's where, like, we made all the instrumentals. Yeah, like, you guys did some great.

For the first album. You did Inuit. Yeah, Intuit was in Brisbane still. Oh, right. Yeah. Into it's a funny story. That was, like, when, like, things really start changing. Yeah.

Because I made this, because we were making like the rock, like the little punk rock music mix a little bit of alternative and like, you know what I mean, a little bit of like 1975. Yeah, a lot of instruments. Yeah. And then into it was kind of like because Christian and I used to make a bunch of electronic music. Still a fan favorite. Yeah. Still a fan favorite. Everyone was that time.

I mean, you're into it. You go get into it. Yeah. We made a bunch of electronic music and then we just wanted to use like, you wanted to go back to always with like crazy. I have patterns and hip-hop influence stuff. And then instead of a chorus, it's more of a hook, you know what I mean? And nowadays, more than anything, I feel like there's just hooks. There's no real, like, you don't hear, like, massive choruses, like, a whole bunch anymore.

It's more just like a little hook. I feel like choruses may be coming back in again now. But there was a second there where there was no choruses at all. Like, in terms of, like, maybe in pop culture, but like. And you know your OG song? Which one? Runaway? No, I mean, I love runaway, bro.

That was like the OG, Ogy. No. That did have like trap drums at the end. Friends? Friends. Their friends was the first one where we kind of mixed rock with the, Bro, still stands up, dude. Still stands up.

Trapp rock. You should pull it out every once in a while and like give people a little, like they played it in Chicago. Maybe they're going to play it in. Yeah, we played it. This was the last tour we did was the only, there's the first tool we didn't play friends. Okay, okay. So like, it's fair.

It's just one, two of a word. I was like, I was like, it's just a little slow. It's really high the whole time. And I'm like, oh, there's some friends thing.

Here we go. But it's, but I'm saying that. How do you feel about swim? That is, it's timeless. You love it, right? Swim's timeless.

It's a great time. It was just different because like, that was like kind of just like a, no pun intended. That was just like a wave. Right. That we all caught in the studio. And it just worked immediately.

It was like one of those songs that you just immediately make it and just works and you're like done. Finished. It feels really good about that one. What's your favorite song you feel like doesn't get the like same love that swim would get maybe? The one song. The one that I wish would get like a lot of attention? Because I know like what will get attention. Right.

But like a song you love. Yeah, like a personal favorite. Yeah. I still love green, green green. I just did so much workplay in there and it was fun I had so much fun making it because I got back to kids

I like Call Me Back Call Me Back is a sweet song It's awesome It's a sweet song It's so good The catchy The lyrics about The bus breaking down

It's all real Yeah So it's all real Like I said It's like I'm A real fake lyrics And any of our songs

Except for The ones Where there should be fake lyrics So So So one of the things I was... Yes. Yeah.

But sometimes those metaphors that you would say maybe a fake lyric is the metaphor is important because, you know, there is a feeling that they give you that it's important. The only way you can give vote that feeling is using that metaphor. So I feel like that's... You do have a lot of metaphors in your music that could be like people could pick them apart. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the thing as well. It's like always having a double entendre. Yeah.

To me, you're like an artist, artist. You're like the artist's artist. Like you, like other artists, you get in a room with artists and you guys all create. And like, that is how you kind of get to know people. That's a special kind of artist. It's, you're not on like some mission to conquer the world. No.

Right? Like it doesn't feel like where some people you meet, they're very driven like that. The music's not, yeah, it's just. music but it's like a lifestyle no that's that's I mean it's like I keep you circle tight always yeah I mean not not to I mean having a bunch of friends is also cool yeah yeah it's also like you want to have just friends that are really like like right or die yeah you know I mean like I feel like all five of us like even when we're performing live on

stage you got Christian Clinton Jesse Pat and myself I feel like it's like Power Rangers, man. It's a good crew. You know what I mean? You jump on that stage. It's like the Millennium Falcon. No, that's that's different. That's Star Wars.

Yeah, that's not power Rangers. I'm so sorry, everyone. I'm terribly sorry. That's actually a lot better. I know about Star Wars, but like, you know what I mean? It's like a team thing. They build that big whole, when they combine their ships. Yep.

What is that called? Power Rangers or Voltron. Voltron. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. So it's like lots of different. aspects being brought into one

in all good guys fruitful thing yeah the other thing that strikes me is when I'm backstage yeah you're different but the other thing that that strikes me when you when I'm backstage and I'm hanging out in a Chase

Atlantic world right there's no there there there isn't a Darth Vader though no there isn't someone that comes in and everyone's like oh better better everyone yeah because it's like there's no ego back yeah we can talk about like the the lead singer mentality right that's not

It doesn't need to me to me yeah it's in my brain I think it's a stupid mentality like I like we all work so independently but so together at the same time yeah you guys all love each other yeah and we don't want to have a dynamic where there's a do you where there's like someone who is is is who like is like consistently like making threats or like is like intimidating because that's not how you That's not how you get by and life. People say, like, if you can't do this, then be someone who's feared. If you can't be respected, then be feared. I say, fuck that.

But you've done all that. So when you're back there and someone's in your world, you actually know what it feels like to be them. So there is a feeling of that with those seasoned bands I notice when someone's been doing it a long time. They generally, they conduct themselves more empathetically. Yeah. And there are certainly bands that don't, and there are artists that don't, and I think they get into bad. Yeah.

I mean, being an artist, like, there has to be some form of ego. You know what I mean? Right. Like, you have to, and ego sounds like a bad word. We all have one. Exactly. And, like, I'm not trying to, like, kill my ego. You know what I mean?

Like, I grew up with a few friends who took us, and, like, there are nice people afterwards, but they weren't the same person I knew. Right. You know? Right. But there's also people I've met who, like, had, ego deaths and they've become extremely better people from it. Right.

And they still are equally as creative and they still have that spark, you know? So I feel like that's important as well. To me, as an outside person who knows you guys. It's a universe. But also, yeah, it's a world. It's a world. But it's special. Yeah.

Because you look at all the guys around. They're all special. Yeah. You look at what you guys do and how you move. It's different. It's not like paint by numbers. here's how you have a music career. It's a world that you guys are growing and building.

It's like we haven't made any mistakes along the way. We've made a few mistakes along the way, but not terms of music. I feel like everyone. Every single song hits. We wouldn't release it if it didn't hit. Most mistakes are youthful mistakes. Yeah. Maybe it's like, you shouldn't have done this.

Yeah, along the way, like making those mistakes. But you guys give yourself room for that. Yeah. The fractional thing. Like you try trial and error a small ratio. And then we get more right than let the. Exactly. So it's not like high risk,

higher reward. Yeah. It's like, it's like low risk, low reward. But you have to find the medium sometimes where you have to like boost it. And then sometimes you go take like high risks. Yep.

But at the end of it depends on if you just keep putting in the work. But overall though, it is a high risk in general, generally speaking. I mean, you're vulnerable. You're putting your whole, you're putting yourself out there.

And you're choosing a career path that most people don't understand. And based on judgment. Yeah. And you could have failed. Could have. Could have failed if I gave up or if I stopped trying. Yeah. If any of us gave up or stopped trying, we could all fail.

Yeah, it's true. But you can't fail unless you truly fail. You can get knocked down, but it's like, will you get back up? What's your advice, right, to someone out there listening who wants to, be who wants to be creative. Let's say they want to be in a band or let's say they have one and they're trying to make it. Let's say they're an artist. They're trying to make it.

Let's say they're a photographer. They're trying to make it. They're a movie. They want to make videos, movie. What's your advice to anyone out there who is listening who likes your band? Obviously, they like how you guys are doing it. And they're looking at at you guys as an inspiration of like what they could possibly do. Authenticity.

Right. Just don't ever force anything, ever. Even if it's the right move. Doesn't feel right, don't do it. Even if you know it's going to put you on radio or like... You guys have passed on a lot of things that would have brought you to a different... That would excel to a different level, but that's what I'm saying. I kind of want to do it fractionally.

Right. And then that way it's set in stone. It's not just a... It's not a high and then a low. Right. It's just a gradual incline. So yeah, just kind of building, building. And persistence, patience is the number one thing.

Be patient because you're not going to see results overnight. Yeah. Unless the artists that you've seen get results overnight, it's an anomaly. It's not real life. It's like when people get struck by lightning and they live. Yeah. That's an anomaly. And it happens quite frequently, which is weird.

Yeah. Frequently enough to the point where it's weird, but it's like that, truly like that, you don't want to get struck by lightning and take that chance. Right. Be patient. Don't try and fit into any other, like,

if you're making music or if you're painting or if you're doing poetry, don't try and appeal to the people immediately. You know what I mean? Because you don't know who's listening to you yet. If you don't know your audience, and you don't know, you need to create an audience first. Yeah.

So just do things that you feel correct. And then once that audience comes, then you can start gauging how, how it's like, you know what, what do they need to eat? The other thing that is different I always find about you guys is you produce. We do. You write. We do. It's the song. Uh-huh.

So you're writing the music. The song. Yeah. We're writing. And you're writing the music. And you're writing. And you're writing the melody. Yeah.

And you're producing the track. We're doing all of it. And there's a lot of layers there that most people don't understand the different parts of the... It's so much more exhausting. What a song can be and how many different people can participate. If you don't make tracks, you can get a producer that makes tracks. But he's also writing...

Can make 20 albums by now. But what's interesting is someone who's good at making tracks might not be good at writing songs. And someone that maybe is making... good tracks but not writing good songs and then there's melody right yeah so on the three parts of a song right lyrics melody production production right yeah so there's all those parts then you also you guys mix the whole other other element vocal engineering vocal engineering there's all these different things that you guys do uh-huh you you you you that's right down the list we just like you set design

Light design Video design Video editing Video editing Um Uh Uh, Uh,

Uh, all of this stuff You guys do all of it It's a universe, yeah It's a universe Not a lot of people do that I'll tell you what

No, No one does that Because it's stupid Let me just tell you Let me just tell you But we're too deep now To stop We have,

We have friends You know what I'm just wondering Why Circle tight Um We have friends like Um

Well my beautiful girlfriend, Jordan. Amazing. You can vouch for her as a photographer. My wife is a huge fan of her photography. Me too. Obviously, Jordan is awesome. Yeah, fantastic human being.

And great artists. In her own right, great artists. We can't take photos of ourselves. Right. But we don't expect her to leave. But she's in the world. She's in the universe. No one does it better, though.

Exactly. No one gets the photos of you guys like she does. You know what I mean? That's like, choose. But also in her own right. stand alone an amazing artist. A successful. But in the universe of Chase.

Yeah, in the universe of Chase that we're speaking of. It's part of the world. Very strong asset. Yeah. You know what I mean? Amazing. And then Chris, you know what I mean? Create, like with all the album art work.

And he's helping out with Xavier as well. He's in the world. And then Jordan's helping out with Xavier as well. You know what I mean? Like it's in that world, this universe that we've created. and like you can't like people will slowly like maybe gradually come into it maybe this is it you know what I mean it's like us's family well I guess there's like when you think back to different movements you'd see like out of that movement out of that camp came all these great artists

who ended up doing these amazing that's what I mean like even you guys but it's over a long period of time even you guys um having MDDN was probably the first most inspiring thing for me was that It wasn't. You guys weren't just working for a record label, for a record company. No, yeah. You know what I mean?

You weren't, you weren't, no. Yeah. You could have been. We were building a world. Easily. You built,

you built your own world. And I remember a crossroads of the world. Yep. No pun intended. Yeah. Um, and. But we always said,

what we want to do is build a model. Yeah. That someone like you would go, oh, I can have my own world. So we, what we've taken away from, from what you guys taught us,

is that, oh, you can make your own world, which we were already doing, but it just kind of solidified that. And so now we have, like, the whole Chase Records. Got Chase Records. With Xavier. And likely you'll have a brand. And then he'll probably make his own business, you know, in the future, future. Like, he'll probably end up having his own, and then it'll just be, like, subsidiaries.

Also, what I've picked up on is that, like, like, when, it's all music-based. It's all music. You know what I mean? It's all about the music. People don't, some people don't even, like, they don't know what you look like. They don't know what we look like. They think we're like 35 years old maybe. They don't know how long we've been a band. They don't, they don't know from Australia.

They just like the music. And then there was one point where they, they thought my name was Chase. There's a, there is a, like, no. That's what I'm saying. So, so I was excited to talk to you because there is a like, there is a, there's something about the band that is, maybe there's a mystique to it. it because not because you're trying no it's it's just because you're not putting yourselves out there maybe like the normal way but like we're not trying but like we're not trying to not try right you're just being yourselves yeah just trying to like just do life life work balance right

you know what I mean and then if you can if you can help some people along the way and that's that's like the closer you can get to be in a superhero unless you're like a doctor sojourn or right or any kind of service worker, you know what I mean? That's like as close you can get them. And who doesn't want to be a superhero? Right. I mean, it wasn't my intention, but it's kind of cool when you get that feeling like, oh, this is the close you can get to it, I guess, if you're saving lives.

So my prediction is likely you guys continue to grow, right? Like you said, like fractionally, whatever. It's a very fair prediction. But you guys continue, you're making another record. more music is going to come out always you're going to stop you're continuing to grow

is there do you are you just like let it happen and you'll deal with like the success will continue to grow right there will be a point where it will be harder

like there's certain places you can go can't go whatever like the success continues to kind of just it grows like a tree yeah like a like a like a like a like a like a

like a plant, exactly. Is it something you just don't think about? Yeah, I mean, just let it happen. Yeah, just let it, like, that's why if a music video comes out, like, I'll just post about it. I mean, it's smarter to do more posts.

I mean, like, why wouldn't you? If you have something you believe in, that's a product, like, why wouldn't you do more posts about it? Why wouldn't you? But, like, but that's just not the way we roll. We're just, we're casual with it. We've always been casual with it. You have.

If you take it too seriously, then it's, it doesn't feel right. It lost its spark. And then if it doesn't feel right, then why would you put it up? Right. You have to be yourself. Exactly. Who's your favorite artist?

Oh, man. Or three? I don't know. My personal favorites. Nav, he's lyricism a lot. A lot of people don't like him, and I understand why. I understand why. I'm not going to say for reasons.

But, like, he does sound a little generic, a little boring. but like what he's what he's saying is very like there's a lot of songs what he's actually saying these lyrics i'm like damn okay that's crazy how relatable to my life that is yeah um our city from get go oh wow um i mean he's just he's the synth master yeah he's a synth god he created the most beautiful synth that i've he's the reason i started producing that's cool you know I didn't know that. He just created this new sound that never heard before

and I was very malleable at that age. Yeah, that's cool. I just remember looking out the window one time. Left an impression on you. Yeah, left a big impression. Yeah. And then, I like the way of the 1975 role. Yeah, as a band,

like, they'll always be the coolest band. They're cool, yeah. Besides you, besides you guys. We are, I didn't even know why we are. You guys were cool. You guys were coolest. We guys are cool, but you were in a different, you know what I mean,

in a different, objectively, like, you guys were, like, cool as shit back then. Like, you were,

like, because, like, you were, like, you're cool, you've always been cool. You know what I'm trying to say,

right? Yes, but when you were, like, in your heyday, all right? Right when you were, like,

pop and popping, popping. You guys were cool because you did the formula of, like, the verses were very, like,

monotonal, like, like, almost rap music. Yeah. Whereas everyone else was kind of doing R&B. a little bit you know what i mean you guys were doing like a little bit more a little bit more like

and the lyricism as well wasn't as it was for the people you know i mean yeah yeah it was music it was music for the youth of the when divorce rates were higher than yeah yeah you know what i mean we were we were we were we were from that we were from the shit yeah but i think as far as cool goes you guys were cool we didn't grow you guys like rap you guys wrapped in some of us i've never wrapped like I can melodically you are you definitely like freestyle

but like I've never like not used a note right I've never tried it I don't ever want to try it because I either have to wrap an Australian accent which would not sound good at all or I have to use an American one

which I don't think would sound good either I think when we came out we were not cool growing up and we wanted to be cool that's exactly how and we were trying to be cool you know what I mean like that's how I feel

So when you talk about imposter syndrome, it's like, it's, it's like, it was, it was not cool in high school. I was not, I was the least cool kid. I was literally the least cool, like the most like. And I wanted and I, and I was, it was, it was, it was tough. I wanted to be cool. I didn't want to get picked on. I didn't want to get made fun of. I didn't get picked on.

I wanted, I wanted to like, you know, like meet girls and stuff. and I was too shy in high school as well as a very shy. I couldn't get any chicks, man. And I think that that coming out in the band and like trying to dress, we found ourselves, we found ourselves. But then the fake is not, it's faking more, it's real. Yeah, no, I definitely feel like I found myself in there. Like canvas.

Yeah. I just started a microdosing mushroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Love microdosing. It changes your brain. I always smoked weed. Like, I've got ADHD and it doesn't really do much for me. Unless I like.

Right. I don't smoke. Unless I get that big old Billy bong hit. Right. And then I'll be like, all right, I'm high now. Right. But otherwise it's just like a, it just keeps me kind of like focused. That's interesting.

And then the mushrooms, because I think coming with being a creative, naturally, if like you are successful creative, there's a lot of, there's almost sometimes, it's I feel like there's a void in your stomach. Yep. You know what I mean? And you can't fill it with anything. And the easiest option is drugs. Yeah. Always. Yeah.

Because it's quick. It's not fractional. It's immediate, like immediate reward. And we'll immediate not feeling like shit. But microdosing, the mushrooms is like a, it's a process. You know what I mean? You don't feel, you don't just wake up the next day like, oh, I feel it. It's fractional.

Yeah, it's very incremental. And then you get to a point. In incremental. You look at yourself. at who you were like six months ago or like a year ago. It does change your. You're like,

wow, my persona and the way I carry myself and the way I conduct my words and my sentence and my impulse control, even like to snap. Yeah, my outlook. It just creeps up on you.

And then it's like if you have like a pet and you leave it for a year and you come back to it. And it's like, but you can't actually see the growth when you're watching it every day. Right. You know what I mean?

when you look it's always when you look back so like i think everything kind of has to be fractional in a way microdosing is powerful is extremely powerful it it it it taught me it's going to change the world it taught me how to i mean that's the thing to see some people just can't they just can't do it like whether it's medically i have they have something pre like pre like disposed didn't like in terms of are you saying that it would give them a bad yeah a bad trip or something? Well, if they're microdosing properly,

then they won't trip at all. You know what I mean? Right. But people are, because it does release serotonin into your brain. Right. And as long as you're

microdosing, that's fine. You know what I mean? It's fine to give, it's like an SSI. It works like an antidepressant in that way, but it's better because it's actually reprogramming the neurons

and building new pathways, new neurological pathways instead of just like sending the other ones into overdrive. It's making new ones. Right. That's the beauty of the mushroom in general. But microdosing has completely changed.

I don't, it's like I have, it's like a, I give you one more analogy. I can only speak an analogy. I love it. Mushrooms did this to me. Yeah. I'm kidding. I think it's, I think it's more of like a, a hard drive that's full. I need a computer, so it's like slowing down.

And then it just frees up. lot of space in your brain. It feels like I got a bunch, I go like two terabytes extra, just thrown in. Right. Like I can think before I react. Maybe got rid of some old. Yeah. Like delete, it deletes old, like, old like programs, like old habits.

Most people have some degree of anxiety, some form of depression of some kind. Absolutely. They've suffered some trauma. A spectrum, I think, is important. It's a spectrum, right? Yeah. Yeah. So on some level, some people may need more help or more.

a time working on it and some people may get there faster because they have less. And it also comes up of a deficit. It also comes down to like drive. You know what I mean? Right. Like we're not all equally as driven human beings. Right. I always wonder what the difference is between someone who ends up out on the street

and someone who can... Go the deep end. And you don't know how to swim well enough. Yeah. Or maybe it's like a number. a hereditary thing? Yeah, it could be. I mean, it is definitely hereditary.

That's one of the, one of the factors that's definitely weighs in heavily. But at the same time, like, you get to choose what you do in your life. Right. You can't blame everything on hereditary. Right. Unless you get, like, a... Or drugs. You know what I mean?

Like a, like a disease or like a... Almost like they're predisposed mentally. Yeah. To, like... To give up. I like drugs. Right. You know what I mean?

I love the stuff. Right. But I love it. It's great. Yeah. No, I love, I love, I love drugs. I like drugs for me. Right.

You know what I mean? And money. Yeah. I love drugs and money. I mean, it's quite obvious. We should, we don't need, we don't need to be around the bush in this one. Yeah. I mean, like, it's quite obvious in the lyrics.

Yeah. I like drugs, but I don't like, um, scaring anyone. Right. Firstly. You don't like hurting anyone. Yeah. Don't like hurting anyone. You like, I don't like hurting myself.

So everything in moderation is like the key. Right. So you, that stuff, your tolerance for that is lower than your tolerance. It's like you actually want to not hurt anyone or yourself more than you want to do. I just want to do them recreationally. Right. I mean, like, you know what I mean? Like, escapism, alcohol every now and then.

You know what I mean? You have low-dol. Alcohol is dangerous. It is. It's the, I think it's the most dangerous because it's so accessible. And it's so like. But you're... Our sponsors would disagree.

This isn't alcohol. Our sponsors would disagree. They'd say alcohol is fantastic. I'm talking about hard liquors. Drink white claw kids. Get 20 of them. You have to open that now. It's like an addict.

It's like a college plan. Make a drink that's tasty. Dude, that's your drunk slowly. What was it? Ice. 20 of them to get drunk. Smone of ice. Yeah.

That's the first. That was the first. Yeah. Same one song. Yeah. There you go. But that's the thing. Like, like you have a couple of days

where like you're like, all right, I need to like, I'm, I'm going to have like a couple shots of this, you know what I mean? And like, smoke some weed and just like play video games. Just chill out. Yeah. But like not an abusive, like alcoholic, what kind of way. You know what I mean? It looks like that when your girlfriend comes home.

It's a different lifestyle. Yeah. And it's just sitting there on the table. But it's for me, you know what I mean? It's for me. but it's mainly recreational except for those, but that's still like kind of in the recreational realm. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, escapism without, because I mean, music is everything that we do. Like you're at the age. Yeah. Do you think there's an age where you don't do that? Where I ever stop taking drugs? Yeah, like is there an age where? I don't know. I feel like I'm just going to be like a Whiskly of a Snoop Dog type thing, I think.

Yeah. Especially with the weed. Yeah. I don't ever see that going on anyway. You don't see any problem with that. I don't see any problem with Snoop Dog. I like Snooptockle. He's doing great.

He's great. He's been smoking weed since he's age five. You know, he's his son as well, super cool guy. Do he smoke? I'm sure. He doesn't. That would actually be quite interesting. I don't know if he does.

I think he does. I think he does. If he didn't, that would be, I wouldn't be surprised though. He's just like, no, I don't want to be identified. I don't, I'll just smoke. Maybe. I don't know. I didn't catch that if he does or doesn't.

But he's really smart, really cool. Yeah, that's good. really like hardworking guys. He does all kinds of like, uh, investments and he's in like the Web 3 space. And he's just like really, really cool guy, really smart. Yeah. But that's, it gave me a good impression of, I was really impressed. I was like, oh, this is cool when you meet.

And he still, he still knows how to be relevant. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's still saying some funny shit, which is cool. It always strikes me when I meet people and when I meet their kids. And they're these like really well. but together, well-mannered. Raised correctly.

Yeah, like raised well. You know, you meet someone. I think it's important, yeah, to recognize that like an artist, like, you know what mean, like, if, if and when I have kids one day, you know what I mean, I'll raise them the same way that my parents raised me. Yeah. Yeah. Because I feel like, even though I got myself into like a lot of hairy situations, I feel

Like that was also a product of my environment. Yeah. You know? But the ethics were correct. Do you think... The blueprint was good for me. Yeah, the ethics, right? Yeah.

Is you have good ethics, good values. Yeah. Always good moral values. I think that's key. That's key. You're not lying, cheating, or stealing. Yeah, don't, like... Like, you don't know...

Not trying to hurt any one. Like, those kids that scream in the mall, it's like... How did you even get to the point where you're allowed to scream in the mall? No. Not happening. Yeah.

No. You shut that shit down before you get to them more. Shut that shit down early. Like, they're like, stopped. No, stop doing it's like. I mean, I don't know. Times are changing, I guess. But back in the day, that would just be a swift hit for my mom.

I was like, yep, that's fair as fuck. I'm not doing that again. Just like impulsively, not like a prepared weird like whipping or like of the belt or something. Prepared punishment is weird, man. It has to be impulsive. Got to be right on the spot. Yeah, smack in the head, like straight away. It's like, oh, my bad.

Yeah. That's interesting. I always sort of. You know what's funny? Like, Klan punishment is weird, man. I don't feel like we, maybe my, maybe my, my kids would argue with this. But I don't actually feel like we have to punish them. No, punish them.

Just kind of smack them in line every now and then. Yeah. That's what I would do. My kids are super chill, man. Yeah, you got a lot of kids aren't. They don't. They don't. I wasn't super chill.

I don't know, man. They don't really. Maybe it's because, I don't know, maybe we're just laid back or something. But you also, they grew up, like I said, product of your environment. We also, like, all decide things together. So there isn't, like, do that. Yeah. It's just like, yo, what should we do guys?

Should we do it this way or should we go that way? It's very, very progressive. It's very progressive. It's very, like, everybody's involved. Yeah. So, like, everybody has a say. But also at the same time, I have, like, a son. And he's, like, 10.

I'd be disappointed if he acted out like that. No acting out. I feel like I'll be like, I'll take your consideration with a grand assault. Yeah, I don't know. Because you're my son and you don't know a ton about the world. Yeah, but most of the time we're like... If he's suggesting some shit that's whack, I'm like, sorry, but I get it.

I get what you're hot. You know, that's the right place. But we ain't doing that. You know that, right? Of course. At the end of the day, we have the call. But like... Yeah, it's a responsibility to have a child.

The conversation does go back and forth. It's good to have open communication. And so there's room... It's creating open communication, basically. Yeah. So there's room to talk about anything that's going on life. Where do you want to raise your kids? I don't know.

Australia or America? Heavy questions. Heavy. I don't have any kids. Yeah, but one day you have kids, little baby Mitchell shows up. Is he in Ozzy or is he... He's going to be terrible. He's going to be terrible.

He's going to be a little shit. Yeah, he's in the big. be a terror. Oh, he's going to be a terror. Yeah. Like, just so bad. So annoying. You know what? You know what I think you're going to do? I think you're going to do both. I think you're probably going to have one foot in Australia,

one foot in America. I think hopefully like, like, yeah, forget them like but there's no way to avoid like the last, that's the thing. You create a lifestyle. You come from nothing. You create a lifestyle. Different than that.

Different. Yeah. The complete opposite. Of course. And then you try and raise a family from that outlook. Absolutely. It's so conflicting. Don't even try. Don't even think about it. It's so conflicting.

You know what I mean? Your kids will act what they see. If you're an asshole, they're going to be assholes. If you're rude, they'll be rude. If you judge people by like what they have or they will. That's how I see it. But I think when I look at my kids, like when we go back to where I'm from, they're fine.

We hang out and they're like. They're confused. like what the no they're just like they don't I don't know that they see any places I don't I think they're a lot like their mom which is interesting like I don't think she judges

people like that I just don't think she sees like I don't think she looks at someone and says what are they wearing no no no no but you know what I mean like sizes them up by the dollar amount by what they're wearing I think my kids actually you have the same way so it's just transparency it's good

it's I'm saying it's a great because I was that's what I'm saying we were... I was caught up by like dollar amount. Yeah, me too. But it wasn't always good. So you asked me, when you have kids one day, we're going to raise them.

I'm starting to think about all the hypotheticals. Like, raise them to like want to like have bigger dreams and aspirations. Exactly. Everything's in reach? Yeah. Or do you want to feel impoverished? Yeah. And go like...

And like have to really reach for that. It like you could have, at some point, you could have persuaded me like with the wrong thing. Because I put so much value on the things I did. didn't have. Yeah. So I put so much value on the, on, you know, now I could say I don't care. But I couldn't say that 15 years ago. Like if you were like, wanted to convince me to make a bad decision, you could have like probably like,

I think you probably could have like. No, but you could have persuaded me with money where money isn't always the right reason. Oh no. See, that's another thing. Well, when you come from nothing, you get money. That's the thing. You never fuck with the money. Never fuck with the money.

Like, no one told me... Back then, yeah. No one told me time was the most precious resource. Yeah, and like literally living because you come from nothing. You know what I mean? And so you want money. But I get that mentality, so I never criticize anyone that's got to get their money

because I'm like, I understand. But once you understand that that's not actually the most precious resource, the most precious resource is time and you. And experiences. Yeah. It's good. My kids are kids, man. Like, of course.

They'll understand your life story when you're older. That's a thing. Yeah, they get it. When they're older. They get it, they get it. But like they'll get it, get it. Yeah, they'll feel it. They'll feel it in their bones.

When they get, you know, like, like when. Like my dad, especially, like now, like, I'm a mom. I was always very, I like say I wasn't complacent, but I think the kids just, like, they don't, they, they, it's not actually in their, in their brains yet, like, that whole, like, empathy and like, like, really being grateful. And then there's not enough life experience yet either to, be grateful for like because there's a lot of shitty people in the world oh yeah and there's like not very few like very genuine but like i mean some of that you can only learn the hard way exactly and so i think it's important like i grow and then like i'll like my dad for instance is i'm like

just now realizing within the last like two years that he's a trooper yeah you know what I mean to having three shit little stuff Yeah. Far north Queensland off the living on sea. You're far away, huh? Yeah. A lot of city on the map. Right.

Um, and then like to find a, uh, a girlfriend that came from Seychos. Yeah. You know, the way near Madagascar. And then, um... I'm... ...soy Anna Mena. And, like my music, my hair, ...cée can be able to be able to continue my rhythm.

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on Shopify at Microsoft So your mom is from near Madagascar Yeah, she's from Seychelles Where is that?

This is an island. It's like Mauritius Islands. Right. Seychelles is is an island. island. Okay. It's actually quite small in the grand scheme of islands as they come. Australia. Right. Right. Near Madagascar. Yeah. You know what I mean? So and then, but they, but

mum's, uh, grandmother, my, my only live grandmother, um, migrated from Congo to Seychelles. Okay. Yeah. She went from Congo to Seychelles. And then Seychelles met my grandfather. Okay. They all migrated to Australia. And that's where your mom and your dad met. Yeah, they met because dad left New South Wales because all his friends died of heroin overdoses. Right. You know, and he's like, I don't want that.

He was a man with a plant. Right. You know what I mean? So he went all the way as far north as he could go. Right. And then just so locked out that my mom went to the same place. Wow. And then like just like we have a nice house growing up.

You know what I mean? Just like lower middle class. Yeah. Nice Aussie. Nothing. Nothing's grand. Simple Aussie life. It's very simple.

It's one of the nice things about Australia. We had a pool which was really cool. And we had a park behind our house. But there's something very like that very simple Australian life. There's something nice about the people. It's so humble. Yeah. Very humble.

It's very humble. Good manners. Yeah. Help each other out. Yeah. And everyone knows each other. Yeah. Everyone knows each other.

It's like on Sunday. They're like, it's one of the things I love about Australia. Yeah. And my grandparents are tried talking to like these, these other people who are working at the markets. This is like just open market. It's just fans.

There's no air conditioning. You know what I mean? It's just hot and sweaty in cans. And then my grandparents trying to have, they think they're friends with everyone that works at these stands. And all these other people, all very multicultural. They're all coming from like,

like some of them are. They all immigrated from somewhere. Yeah. Exactly. And, um, they start trying to talk to each other and I'm just sitting there watching like the confused faces on the people that my grandparents

are trying to speak to because they can't understand a word they're saying. Yeah. And I just remember them walking around those markets would be like, dang, this is such a humbly experience. Like I'm such a small kid and like everyone. It was like being like an old like trading market. You know what I mean?

Like in the middle of Egypt something. It's far away. Yeah, very far away. But the thing about it is this at MDDN. It creates a beautiful cycle. You all help each other. Yeah. Because Chase is here doing Chase, it allows this artist to be here doing that.

It allows them, it all works together. It also encourages them to use that same kind of mentality. Yeah, and it's just. And push it forward, like, rather than not having that mentality, and then you can continue, like, like how the music and I think it should behave. That's how we, listen, I think that's what you guys are building. That's what we want to build.

But I also want people to understand that it's not just music. There is a version of the world where we all are all, our individual successes mean success for the whole group. Exactly. And like people tend to be put on against each other and there's not room for everyone to be successful. That's not the truth. I mean, you look at America.

It's torn between. It's torn. sides. Right. And it's not, but that's not reality. That's not reality. Reality isn't that we have to be against each other. The reality is, it's by choice. And that's why I think it's the only option. That's why I refuse to, because there's only two choices. I refuse to pick a side. They should just make a third choice where you don't have to be involved. Because it's all kind of, it's all unnecessary. Yeah. It's all bullshit. I hate unnecessary. And it's like this, it's like this echo chamber people get caught in. And they just loop. And they loop and loop about a bunch of things that.

This is terribly boring. Firstly, secondly, I don't know if you guys know what the fuck you're talking about. Look, my main thing is that people should be free to be themselves. Yeah. And be lived their lives. But like, don't fuck up anyone else's day. No, don't. Don't preach.

Don't come in here preaching that. Don't ruin the vibe. Yeah, don't kill the vibe. Dude. Like, just come in, be real, be honest. If someone doesn't agree with you, just be like, that's fair. And plenty of people won't agree with what we're talking about. Exactly.

Won't agree with what we're talking about even now. They'll say you guys. No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It means fuck all. Yeah. In the grand scheme, you live and you die. It's about what you're doing between the matters. That's it.

And I don't want to be talking about anything that's not like either helpful or fruitful or enjoyable or fun. That's why I love you. All right, everybody. I hope you guys enjoyed the Chase Atlantic series. one of my favorite bands i was so glad i got to do that thank you christian mitchell clinton for coming on the show and i will see you guys all next week