Artist Friendly with Joel Madden - Mitchel Cave and Christian Anthony of Chase Atlantic

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

On this week's episode of Artist Friendly, Joel Madden is joined by Mitchel Cave and Christian Anthony of Chase Atlantic. Since making their debut with 2014’s Dalliance EP, Chase Atlantic have injected their songs with swaggering conviction, unpredictable musical palettes, and a strong sense of escapism. Ahead of their LOST IN HEAVEN deluxe edition (out Oct. 3), the duo stopped by the Artist Friendly studiom to talk about their rise from Sydney to selling out arenas worldwide. With over 8 billion streams, 20 million-plus monthly listeners, and a string of platinum hits, Cave and Anthony reflect on their journey, creative integrity, and what’s next for the band. ------- Listen to their Artist Friendly conversation on ⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠ ------- Follow Artist Friendly! IG: @artist.friendly TikTok: @artist.friendly YouTube: youtube.com/@artist.friendly ------- Host: Joel Madden, @joelmadden Executive Producers: Joel Madden, Benji Madden, Jillian King Producers: Josh Madden, Joey Simmrin, Janice Leary Visual Producer/Editor: Ryan Schaefer Audio Producer/Composer: Nick Gray Music/Theme Composer: Nick Gray Cover Art/Design: Ryan Schaefer Additional Contributors: Anna Zanes, Neville Hardman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is that midi? I want Mitchell to hear this story. Midi'll love this story. This is a great story. This is like a very midi thing. Oh, you got a chocolate milkshake? You got to keep this in it. How come you get a booster seat?

This is favoritism. Here's the question. Okay. I'm probably like one of Chase Atlantic's biggest fans. I believe it. You're in my. top five every year in Spotify wrapped. I listened to your music, like different times. I mean, you're the one that reached out to us on tour.

Yeah, when I, when we met. Yeah, yeah. I truly discovered me your music from day one. I liked it. And then I met you and I loved it. And then over the years, what you guys have done has been nothing short of like, it continues to kind of blow my mind all the time. But like, as a, as of someone who liked your music and everything you've done, I like it. I don't know if you have an artist where you like everything they do. I mean, as artists, you like everyone, no matter what they do, it's cool. I feel like people like Travis Scott. Yeah.

Pushing the boundaries all the time. Everything he does is cool. Yeah. You guys, everything you guys do is cool. I mean, watching you guys. The golf video? The golf video is sick. Is that going to be out by the time this comes out?

Probably. Probably. Yeah. I don't know. We're going to just drop it. I mean, the whole, I don't think we really got to speak about it in the other interview, but like, getting to know each other in the early days in Sydney and Bondi and then you guys filming the

show and you're bringing us to the show we were little rat bags man like we're kids we were rap bags like little yeah young but like you have three guys who are getting discovered by you know two guys that we know very well and we see on TV every week you guys are all over Australian media you're the bad boys of us you're the bad boys of Australia so bad now that you know us is funny right when you guys do a party or something in the in a hotel oh there was weed there was in my hotel they the the the housekeeping found weed in my hotel the housekeeping dude you know that story i know a little bit you were there no i was there when this happened you know you were there i mean i was in sydney you were in sydney but we met shortly after maybe

or around the time i can't remember if we met before or after that but i literally had just had people over. I had a hotel like sweet. Is that middy? I want Mitchell to hear this story. Middy'll love this story. This is a great story. This is like a very middy thing. Oh, you got a chocolate milkshake? You got to keep this in it. Have a seat. How come you get a booster seat? This is favoritism. So do you remember? I like this Mitchell. No, you'll like this story. We're talking about when Joel and Benj were all over Australian media for reminding weed Yeah you guys go a little bit high

And you go in trouble I didn't get high We talked about this I think in Brisbane Yeah so what happened We only touched on it so This is truly what happened To set the record straight This is exactly what happened

Yeah Australian media This is it's not Ali's abducting me By the way I don't care about fucking anything I don't care about weed I don't think you don't care about fucking anything

I won't hide it You know like I'm not against it I'm also not the guy who's like smoking weed all the time. You know, like, I need weed. Oh, last time I smoked weed was with you. You loved it, man. You were having the best time. You were boogging. You're a boogging.

You're dancing. Mitchell took every single call was the police and I was like that. Mitchell took me on Mulholland and he's like, let's listen to music. I took you three minutes right from the house. There was some records. You guys were working on music and he's like, let's go. And it's like two minutes from my house. And there's like an overlook.

It's nice. But it's, by the way. But also, listen, listen, listen. I go to bed at 11 at night This doesn't have anything to do with what happened It's 2 a.m. He's hanging out And he's like, Oh, you're already on edge as it is?

It was like 12. It was like 2 a.m. You don't know. Are you high, dude? I was not high when I thought, oh, it's 2 a.m. Oh, my God. I'm not going to bed until 4 tonight.

Yeah. Right? So then I go to the car with him We're listening to music and he's like has a joint. Yeah. And he's like, smoke some weed. It'll be better.

A little bit of dope. And I was like, I was like, okay. I'm very much care pressure. Okay. I was like, okay. And he's like, no, it'll be better. The music will be better, whatever. It does.

And I was like, so I was like, they give it back to. Then you tried to impress me a little bit. And then Australia media pulls on. No, this is way after. Yeah, yeah. So then I get paranoid.

I get high really fast. Yeah. I'm like, how the hell am I so high? Because he'd already been smoking weed, I think. And I maybe had like, what's it called? Contact time. It's just you did something that was out of your comfort zone. So like.

And I'm also like an anxious kind of, me too. And also you're like, oh, fuck. And then we're sitting there in the car and I'm like, what are we doing? Like we're sitting here and there's cars. I'm like paranoid because I'm like, turn the music down. Like, I'm not turning the music down. It's so loud.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, what if someone hears us? I don't know what I was thinking. I'm like, what? This is what happens if someone hears us. They go, hey, why he listens to music so loud near house? Right. So anyways.

By the way, the music was great. I was excited to listen to the music. I always am. Like I said before you sat here. You're anxious. Where this started was I was saying I'm one of your biggest fans. I've consistently just liked everything you guys have done from the first music I heard where I reached out to you guys to now.

I've consistently liked everything you've done. And you're always in my top Spotify rap. You're always in my. So like I listen to your music. And I get to hear demos and stuff. So it's like a fan. As a fan. You buy carious living.

It's a rich experience. if you like someone's music and you get to hear like songs no one will ever hear and things like that as well I think would be a very lots of bring like you bring it lots of pride and joy lots of lots of you're there every step of the way it's just amazing so so to sit in his car listen to some new songs is exciting for me but to then throw the weed into it was just the great ball it makes it way cool it's just so you end done it in ages and you were you're thinking about too much other stuff I was I don't know I was just like okay so I went with it I just looked little weed just even know how to drop it a car. You did. I have that. I still have that. Is Mr. Mr. one turn on me and it slice my neck? No. So, and then he's like, and then the windows are down and it's like, this is loud. I'm high. I'm like, every car that comes, I'm like, what if I think it's the cops? Yeah, he's like, I think it's the cops. And he's like, what are the cops going to do? It's legal. Like, weed is legal. I'm like, I don't know, dude. I just don't

be like, yeah, you. Yeah. I don't tell you off, but like. Yeah. So. I try explain like seven times to him. Get out of you, kids. Yeah. In the end, it was fine and it was great. And I got to hear songs and it was great. So back to Sydney. What happened was I was staying at this hotel, the Darling Harbor, the Star Casino.

I've been to the place. And I had like a, I was there for like two months shooting the show. And I had like a pretty big room. The show put me in a nice room, nice hotel. And I had had some. friends over or something some people over it wasn't a party it was like yeah just wine and dinner yeah and someone smoked a joint oh who's done on the balcony or something and left it in the fucking ashtray yeah that was it everyone leaves i leave the next morning to go to work housekeeping comes in

to clean the room i get home from work that evening from the set the hotel manager who's waiting for me you let you in your room said we can't let you in your room Oh my god They're not allowed to do that I appreciate it's legal And he's like unfortunately It's a crime scene investigation Unfortunately

Our housekeeping has found Drugs in your room And I'm like drugs What are you talking about I'm like I was 100% confident I was like what are you talking about I'm fucking drugs

Do you ask what name And like the name of the person No I was just like And he's like when they do that They have to report it to us And then when we find that if they report it to us, we have to call the police. Like, we're just following rules.

And I was like, okay. And they're like, so you have to stay with me. The police are on their way. And I was like, no, they're very scary. And the police come. And it's like all of, I'm starting to get like, I'm like, wait, wait, what? Is this happening? And then the police come and they're like, we have to go into your room and do a search.

Dude. And then they turn the room over searching for drugs. It's a fucking roach, dude. It's like this big. Do you know how hard it is for Australian police officers to find like a high profile slash celebrity drug investigation. Like they were fiending for that. They would have milked it for everything they could get.

No, no, no, no. Actually, the guy, the cop was like, I'm really sorry. Once they call us. My boys were too excited. My boys were too excited. I'm so sorry about my boy. What I would say is the hotel fucked me. Yeah.

The hotel was a wasn't. This TMZ. Was thinking like we got him now. Like this guy. So I don't know what they were thinking. That's what I'm saying. No one really comes to a stretch. with drug stuff.

Like, go grab anything. Here's what I think if I'm being really honest. I had gotten very comfortable there. And I'm very like, at the time, had a very,

a very familiar relationship with everyone there. Like in the hotel, Sydney, someone in the chain was trying to like, tall popping me. Yeah. They were trying to blackmail you? They were trying to just cut me down.

They're like, oh, we got this guy. They're like, TV guy. Whether, whether, I don't think it was housekeeping

because I was really fucking nice to them. But they did tell on me. It's probably like the family member or something. Who knows, man. Anyways, don't touch people's cigarettes and see if they smell funny. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing is really strange.

Because you roll a lot of cigarettes in the street. So the cops were cool. Yeah. But I have to say that. They were like, it's beyond us now. Like once they call us and we come and like once this goes into a fat like once this happens. Yeah. Like we have to come.

We have to investigate. They found. the thing and then he was like I'm really sorry but like now I have to write this down and he's like I'm just going to give you a some kind of citation and then and then you have to go see a judge or something yeah I've been and they have to

like let you go basically they have to they have to basically decide this isn't big enough which is what'll happen yeah he's like so you just have to process this like go through the process but they made a whole spectacle but the newspaper yeah made it look like I got caught with like a pound of weed

A searcher is so far behind in like the media stuff and the celebrity stories. Like it's really far behind. But now, if it happened now, I could just take a picture up and put it on Instagram and go, this is what they found. No, yeah, yeah. No, they probably still figure out a way. It was PCP. But it's interesting. It was PCP weed.

It's interesting because it's a... What is PCP? It's not... In New South Wales, it's like you get a warning. Right. It's not like Queensland. Like, the states have different rules. I had to do a drug diversion course.

So I didn't get anything on my record. I can go into Australia. It was the police were cool. They made it as minimal. Did you go to court for it? No, no. I had to get like maybe like a solicitor or someone to like go and file something. And like it was fine.

The police were cool as shit. The hotel or someone at the hotel made the newspaper thing. It's a big. What was that blur? Like I can't believe they've done this. This hotel's been squeaky clean. It said the Doobie brothers. They've been smoking the devil's letters.

The Doobie brothers. Yeah. Madden twins? More like, uh, uh, weed, weed twins. Yeah. But it was, it was everywhere. I saw all this.

This was like, they called me in. By the way, at the time, Seal was the one who was like the only one in the entire equation who like went publicly and was like, this is fucked up. What are you guys doing?

Stupid. You know what I mean? Yeah. He said up for me, dude. Yeah. Pretty good. guy to have like on your side. Yeah.

It seems like a solid. He seems really cool. He's a cool guy. He's great. So anyways, they called me in for a meeting, right? When the newspaper hit,

it was like front page. And they were like, we're trying to decide if we're gonna. Do they, like, they're condescending or they kiss us about it? No, they were,

they were. Like, where better than you, huh, huh? You idiot. Stupid Americans. This is very bad. Oh,

yeah. You know, like, we're trying to work through. They would have made you try and try and plead, like why you should stay around. They're doing the whole strike on a sending thing.

I literally said, do what you got to do. If you need to fire me, fire me. I don't even know what to say. They found a fucking roach in my room. Was this, it was at the same time that Benj was also. No, no. I was solo.

This was when you were solo. So before. So then I moved. And then you know my best bud, Rich. Yeah. Of course. Which Weinberg.

We had dinner. So Rich. He bought all the company. He bought the company. He bought the company. He bought the hotel. He bought the news at the newspaper. No, Rich said, come to my house.

You can stay at my house. Get the fuck out of that hotel. Yeah. And I literally went to his house. Is that when we went to dinner? And then now I only stay at his house. Yeah, man. It's safe.

There's only a few people in your life where you can go like, I'm going to go stay at your house when I come to that country. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for having me. Well, I mean, it's pretty good. He's a huge house house. I was about to say. To be fair, he's got like four houses.

You probably don't see Rich like throughout the day. even if you're staying in the same place. The guest house is big as my fucking regular house. So anyways, but I will say this. Rich was like, come to my house, whatever. I did the next day. Yeah. Moved out.

Went to his house. And now for over 10, 12 years now, when I go to Sydney, I only stay at Rich's house. It makes sense. Were you guys staying there? So was that the same when you guys did the voice with Benj? Yeah. Was it the same state of Riches? Yeah.

I was saying when you and I and Clinton went back to. stage those times at the boys. Oh yeah, when we just met you guys and you guys invited us. And there was in the backstage area while you guys are filming so you get to watch. As soon as we walk in, it's just us and there's a fridge just full of coronas.

And I'm pretty sure by the end of the night there was no more coronas. Yeah, you guys just all the beer. By the way, they're like 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were allowed to drink. Yeah, it's Australia. And we're backstage.

Yeah. But 17 you can drink backstage. 18 you can drink anyway. You guys were funny. That is correct. The backstage area was pretty nice. It was lovely. Food.

Refrigerator full of beer. I just don't get to ever see that. The food was untouched. Yeah. But at the time, you hadn't been on tour yet, all that. You were kids.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I wasn't so well. And over the course of the night, there's less beer in the fridge. And then you keep coming backstage and I'm like, the fridge is half empty. And then the fridge is empty.

I kept there and, I kept daring Christian to go on stage and, like, kind of focus on the fridge. moments and then I just kept doing it. They kept giving beers and he said he was going to do it and then he moved last second. I chickened out. Yeah.

Waste, waste of beer. Because obviously Mitch and I did that kind of thing. No, like those guys that look like us. Yeah. You know, we did. We were on the other side of that before. So we were literally on a show like that.

Yeah. We were treated. We treated like kaka nene, because like. You treated like shit. Yeah. Because like they're just so. condescending. Yeah, you're just a product. But you want to be

a famous little boy, huh? Yeah. And we're the powerful. I mean, the crazy. We know. We're so much, I can't even sing, but I know your shit. Like, they dress you, they put you in like, like, they dressed us in like neon yellow colors and stuff. Dude, we had so many colors, like different colors. Pants to the top, like a blue

pants, yellow jacket. And you don't you can't be like, I don't want to wear this. You don't get a say. Yeah, you just want to make it when you're that age. You think that these people you think they know what they're talking about. They want their They were not stylish. You're like these TV producers know what they're talking about. And you're like, as an adult now.

It's like some of the music industry. Also, also the, um, something I learned from that is obviously the production and the companies and the labels behind have their favorites. And I remember we did our first performance and we were like rivaled with another boy band. And then their production, like we get, we get like bangles or something. And then it goes to them and they have this. They're firing like, fire floating dragons. Yeah. They get to choose.

Who wins? The production was like maybe 10 times that money. Yeah, of course. They made the band. They tried to copy a full-on-one one direction. Yeah. Thank God it wasn't you. Oh, thank the Lord.

Oh, thank the Lord, huh? Look at you now. I know. Yeah. Let's talk about you now. Look at us now. Look at us. Chase Atlantic in 2025.

What year did you guys start? Seven. 2014. 2014. In 2025. It's been a long journey. Been a long journey. I couldn't see the microphone.

See, I've fixed the microphone, now it's got to BlindSport. In 2025, 20 million monthly listeners. It's hard to, like, wrap your head around numbers. 8 billion. With a B. With a B. With a Bily boys. 8 billion streams on Spotify alone, just Spotify.

10 streams on Apple Music. I wish Apple Music would tell you this day. 10 streams on Apple Music. Across the board. Zainler said he didn't want to talk to me at all. 2.7 million YouTube subscribers. Okay, I was going to say views. I was like, yeah, third parties got way more.

Two billion views. Oh, like Billy. Billy boys twice. Certifications. Verified on Instagram. A lot of them are. Nine gold certifications. Well, I go two at my house.

That includes Omami, swim into it, friends. Slow down. I think you mean diamond. Gold. Okay. Six. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. You're fudging the numbers. Fudging the numbers. Two times platinum. This is news to all of us, man. This is all news to us. Your last tour, just your last tour. I'm talking about anything before.

Just your last tour. Sold over 250,000 tickets, quarter of a million tickets. Shout out to you guys for just believing in us and we love you. You sold out the O2. We know that. There's a concert film. Yeah. I've heard we're going to theaters.

Going to theaters. I would bet any amount of money you guys are. Top five box office release with that concert film, if not number one. I reckon people of all time. No, no, of that week. I was going to say we're competing with Titanic. Run tomorrow's going to eat us alive. Your upcoming South America run, including Argentina, is already sold out.

Two times. We had that a second venue. Second venue, which also sold out. Also sold out. Obviously, we said you're in the Spotify Billions Club, which is twice. hard to do. Good Charlotte isn't in that, just so you know. Yeah, it's okay. I get it, but still, I'm just saying. It's okay. It's okay. I'm saying it so you guys are on the line wild.

No, no, no. What I'm saying is it so that you understand what you've accomplished. I'm not saying, listen, I'm, I am 46, okay, so I'm almost 20 years older than you guys, right? And so I look at it from a different angle than you do. And I go, okay, for your ages, because of the last 11 years, you feel older than you are. Okay, because you have experience. Yeah, my legs. But sometimes,

sometimes I want you guys to stop and look at what you've accomplished. Yeah, I mean, we were surprised by us. You almost didn't give us a card. We have to stop and... You have to give us cards more. It's definitely, we are so on the move all the time. We're always thinking ahead.

We're never really reflecting. I get it. And you should be. There's moments where I find myself being able to reflect and I really appreciate the work that we've done. Yeah. But that's like honestly I long for those moments because they're very far and few between.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I think it's good that you look, for the most part, we need to just keep charging forward. But every now and then it is good to stop and reflect. I know you guys have gratitude because I see you with fans. I see you on backstage. I see you guys in in the work.

But for you to sit there and. just me name off some things because there's more than what I just named. You guys have accomplished more than that. But to just see some of it and actually go, whoa, you're not old. You're young. You've achieved a lot and you're on the verge of a lot more. We know that. We know what between us, what the things that are happening and the things that are coming and the fans will find out soon enough. This actually, this episode drops the same day as the deluxe. It's hot. It's not going to get any views. We do that. So if you do that. So if you do that. So I just think it's a cool, it's really just a gratitude practice, right?

It's a good moment to stop and reflect on like what you've done over the last 10, 11 years with your life. We're so proud of each other, I think. And we're just kind of still, it's going to be a while still before that awe kind of goes away of being like a, like this like all these accomplishments. It's going to be hard to kind of wrap our heads around all these accomplishments until we have the time to actually sit and reflect. I think as well as. We're not, we're in a really good space, but kind of the curse of being an artist is you want to get, you want to be bigger. You want the numbers to get better. You know, the first, yeah, the first gold plaque means the world.

And then you want the platinum and then you want the diamond. You just want, you just want more and more and more. And I just feel like we still have the intentions of being the biggest band in the world. And I, not looking at our best, look, not looking at the first song that went gold and be like, that's the type of music we need to make. Yeah, no. But there are artists with only one gold song or one. They start making songs that are only that style. You know what I mean?

Yeah. They don't try other stuff. You can't just look back at that one thing that's done really well and be like, we've got to keep trying to replicate that. Just keep trying to do what you're doing. I feel like, digging for mine and there's no more rock left. We also have,

digging for diamonds. We have this thing where we release music and then two years later, that's when it picks up. That's always the, that's like the story of Chase Atlantic. You release an album. I don't know. You're like two years ahead.

Truly, as a fan, what I see, I actually think any of your fans listening would agree with me. And they probably don't know like how good of a fan I am. Right? Like how versed I am in like Chase World. And what I see with every album, I tell you guys, it takes about two years to mature. The rest of the world catches up.

And then you hear other artists kind of doing what you were doing two, three years ago. It's interesting to me because I watch. all that and I'm in the world because I work in music and I see some artists give you your flowers sometimes. It sounds conceited but I mean there's not that many that really do give us the flowers. It sounds super conceited to say but like we'll listen to music and we'll be like, I'm certain. Like if the stats went there, say we had like a hundred thousand monthly listeners, I would be like

maybe they're not. But the stats are there and then you look at the other artists and it's like it's a very high plausibility that they are. Right. But what's interesting to me is. is that you guys don't come across as bitter. No. I encourage it.

It's the highest form of flattery. Trying to beat us, suckers. We did it too. When we started out, the first kind of songs that we were writing, we just were trying to make pop songs. We didn't have like a direction. And it was other artists and bands, the 1975 that really, we were like, we want to be a band.

We want to make this. So it's the highest. They'll push them boundaries, but they won't push them so far that no one could relate or try and do it themselves yeah so if if people are trying to emulate it or they're inspired by it i think it's the biggest form of flattery we i want to hear stuff i want to hear them i want to hear what they've what they've got show me something that is like a full remix to like a different song or just make a song be like this is a song that i want to sell to chase like you know i mean it's it's it's quite hard to replicate us though without trying to sound yeah that's the thing is it's hard

does not sound conceited, but like, yeah, we're really... It's hard because all of the elements starting as a band, and then at the same time as starting a band, Mitchell making EDM, like crazy EDM, and then bringing those two worlds together, moving to America, just trying to... You're just a lot leverage.

And then Christian knows a bunch about, like, just rock and roll, like old school, like... Good old fashion. Like pioneering, like rock, and, um, I'm blanking for some reason. They use sound effects of the coins Sound effect with the coins Yeah they use like sound effects and stuff

Oh King Crimson King Crimson Yeah I like King Crimson That's alright They were like pioneering That's it's just It's three

Conscious shit There's the whole road Of the production behind it And what we were listening to It's very you have to literally Do what we did step from step Underground SoundCloud shit Underground SoundCloud

Like that's We grew up in the best age For the SoundCloud stuff Like Now it's just flooded was right people we also and we also were lucky because we were the error after lime wire and lime wire i mean we obviously used it but spotify and stuff just didn't seed i didn't seed i wasn't seeding you know what that is no yeah okay so when you download when you download something

you also go to seed it when you're doing piracy right right you also go to upload and help people the same time for seeding so there's a website that um someone who isn't me i uses a friend. Swim. Swim reference. Swim reference. A friend of mine that he uses it. And he had to pay money to

rush and to some Russian people. And then it's just this website. I'm not going to say the name of it. Where the front page looks like this generic like really just nothing like maybe like what's that? Is it a sugarfish? What's that what's that called?

Sweet water. Sweet water. You're talking about guitar. I got there eventually. Yeah, yeah. Sweet water. So it looks like that. out in the outside and then you pay like $60 to these Russian people and they you can get like

literally the day like a new software comes out they will have it on the website the next day oh wow but you have to continue to upload otherwise they cancel your account so you have to contribute to yeah yeah it's helping other people using to the server and having more power and being able to have people download things faster and if they don't if you don't see they're just like see you Which was the same with Limewire. You'd be downloading and you'd be seating, so you'd be uploading at the same time. So you're helping. I didn't know.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't figure that out. They just kick you off forever. Yeah. That's interesting. That's like a world I don't know anything about it. So it's also another thing that we grew up with.

You know what? Yeah. Just computer node stuff. Yeah. It is kind of nerdy. It's illegal. So we didn't do it. It was like our friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like the last two years of Chase Atlantic, would you say, I guess I'm trying to mark where the band's at because I do feel like the last two years has been this kind of compounding growth that has started to. Okay, so the other day we were in a meeting and someone said that Chase Atlantic is the best kept secret in the music business, right? It's a band that's a substantial size arena band that you could ask the average music fan that's listening to Top 40 or whatever. and they might not know Chase Atlantic.

But that's actually not the experience I have when I talk to my kids are teenagers, right? Which is crazy because you knew my kids when they were fucking little, right? Everyone knows Chase Atlantic in certain places. But it feels like the industry at large are just finding out about you guys. Yeah. They know about you now because everyone's talking about your ticket sales. They're talking about your this. But like it does feel like it's hitting a critical point of like.

They have to kind of. I feel like almost like this is just one theory that I have is that they were keeping it on the download so they could use that infrastructure knowing that they wouldn't get much pushback on our end. You know what I mean? Because we were so kind of small. We didn't have much. We weren't able to back ourselves as strongly as we would nowadays. Well, I would say you didn't have the mass you have now. You've got a map.

There was no way to improve. It could have just been like parallel thought. Forget about pop, right? You have critical mass with fans. You have a movement of fans. You have fans. If you wanted to put your own show on somewhere, you could do that and fans would show up. You've operated outside of the mainstream of the marketing and the promotion and all that.

So like if you wanted to put a show on sale, you could go directly to Chase Atlantic fans, tell them and they will show up. And you have control now. You do. And I think that's the point where you. you get the leverage and the influence that you have now as a band, which is when we show up with the thing, people come. Yeah. Orable narcotics.

Yeah. You're fiends. You need to give them the fix. I think there's something as well about. You're the narcotics. People in my experiences in situations, if I've been like, I'm in this band, they might not know the name, but as soon as I say, oh, we did this song, this song.

Band don't sound very funny. Yeah. But I feel like people have this assumption, whether it's record labels and stuff. They have this assumption that we're kind of anti-pop or like don't want to go to. I feel that. That we don't want to. I mean, even the meeting, they were like, oh, you do are interested in doing a VMAs.

We're like, yeah, of course. We would love to go to the VMAs or the Grammys or any of them. Why wouldn't we? We watch them at home and I go, damn, I really. We're trying our hardest here. Why wouldn't we want turfies? I just think you guys are naturally quite cool as a band. It feels like.

It's not that you said it. It's that there's a feeling of, I think because you've had to make your own way and you've had to rely on your own luck. It's kind of, yeah, we had to like find the impossible, the narrowest, like, crack in the wall to fit in. Because so much of the music industry is,

every genre has been taken. You know what I mean? There's only so many notes, only so many chords, only so many cadences, only so many patterns, rhythms, ETC. But we somehow just kept working to be able to find something that wasn't taken yet.

And it was a culmination of different aspects of all of those. Like, say it was like a big umbrella and then you had branched off like the regular things. And then yeah, every time that goes down like doubles. You know what I mean? And we had to find like different combinations to create one new branch that hadn't been created yet. Yeah. Do you think that was like intentional? or we just...

I think we fell into it subconsciously intentioned. With a subconscious. Yeah, okay. So subconsciously we wanted to do something different, but it was just that all of us... We couldn't have self-sand too similar to other artists. I know that.

That's called integrity. You guys have integrity. So when you go to make something, you're trying to make something original. You're not trying to sound like the thing that's big so that you could be big. You may be inspired by it, you know? You may be inspired by it,

but there is an authenticity thing and an integrity thing. that you guys have that I find is rare because most people are caught up on the shiny thing where they go, oh, that one's number one. I want to be like that one. I'm going to make that one. And then they make something that's some version of the number one song. Wait until that happens.

It's new. It was coming one day. But in being that, and so what I think the originality of what Chase Atlantic is and why it's successful is that authenticity, originality, and good music, right? So in going down that road, you're not in the habit of pandanity. for anyone to like you, for anyone to follow you, for anyone to invite you. Think about it, right? Chase Atlantic. We're doing that thing and then people to this day you go on tour and you're solely

relying on Chase Atlantic to sell the tickets. Yeah. You're not going and patch working like oh they sell a thousand tickets. We'll do them. You're not doing that. You're not, it's not a math equation to you. No. You've only relied on your on yourselves for

everything. And I think on one hand, it's harder. Well, it's a, listen, it's a, it's a harder, longer road, but it pays off. It pays off. And what does happen, though, is I think it starts to feel like, which is cool to hear you say, no, we do want to go to the VMAs. We do want to do that. Because most people would think that you don't care about anything. And it's not actually the case. The case is that you've, we don't care for the, we don't care for the. We don't care for the. for the PR stunts. But I think, yeah, I get it. Totally.

The next year is going to be interesting because what I'm seeing and the way the world is is starting to look at Chase Atlantic, react to Chase Atlantic, talk about Chase Atlantic, is I think the opportunities are going to come and they're coming in the right way where you get to go and do some things that you haven't done before, but you still get to do them your way. And it doesn't feel like you're begging anyone to invite you to the party. Yeah, I mean, that's a thing with it too.

It's like, we want to do this stuff, but we also, we're fine not, we're fine not to. It's just, we'd like to do it. We want to go have our little nights out,

did the little red carpet thing. But if we're not bothered. We want to be asked as well. That would be tight. Yeah. I mean, even the, you know, that'll ruin our brain. I'm sitting at home at the,

you know, watching the Aria or the Australian TikTok stuff. And I see friends there. I'm like, I kind of want to go to that. That looks fun. It looks fun to go watch live shows and see. I think we're on the verge of Australia.

fully embracing Chase Atlantic. Yeah, no, last time we were played there, it was very obvious, yeah. It's the Aussie way. They've almost forgotten more Australian, which is a good thing. Yeah, there's definitely, I've definitely seen that. They're like, oh, that American band's coming to Australia. And it's like, what was it? One of the first reviews we got from an Australian company was like, they sound very American,

like the music. That just means that it sounds like clean and like, it's just a different. It sounds very American. Yeah. That's the whole sentence. Yeah. Not as talking. What I do with this?

Yeah. Is that a good thing? Is this good or bad? It's very vague. There's an Australian journalist who I would say is one of the most long running, credible Australian music journalist. Kathy. Kathy. Kathy.

Kathy's amazing. She was. She was so lovely. She's tapped in as love. She loves you guys. She's amazing. That's a gait for me. When Kathy, like.

She's tapped in. She was like kicking Australia's. She was saying She was She was an odd world You know She was like She knew everything

It was like a rookie So the way So the way I relate to the world And music And like Kind of knowing What the future looks like The tea leaves

Is certain things Like fans I always knew You guys would continue To be successful Because I could see your fans There's something about There wasn't a lot of them to see

But there's something About real fan engagement And real fan excitement Versus like this like inflated, produced fan excitement that feels like it's being marketed that you have a bunch of fans but you're like, where are they?

That's a real thing. It's a marketing thing. That's where record labels kind of mess with artists. They mess with artists that way, right? And then I see real fan bases. Fandoms, you know? And you guys have had this organic fandom fan base that's just continually grown.

And because we've said no to all this. All that bullshit. Yeah. And then there's, There's other things I look at where real ones, people that have been in music for so long, and they see real, right? And that's why I look at Kathy as. I see Kathy and she's...

She's like a bet, yeah. She smells the real artists and she's been a music journalist for fucking decades. She loves... She cares about music. She cares about it. She cares about the state of music in Australia. She's not about politics. She cares about the music.

Right. Like, how do we usually find out about artists, usually from other artists? because real artists point out the real shit. I look at her and there's other people like that in America as well that like they spot the shit because they're artists in their own right. Like Kathy's an artist. Absolutely. She's right.

So I thought it was interesting when I talked to her and she was genuine. She's so genuine. She believes in you guys. And she's proud of it. She cares about the music. And she cares about Australian music too. Like that's her world. There's an article where she's saying like,

like Australia's top three biggest exports. Well, she called us the biggest band you've never heard of. Yeah, yeah. And there was an interview that you guys did with her. And then my mom's, mom and dad's friends read it and then sent it to mom and dad. And it was like an interview with like, uh, Sun News or something. Yeah, yeah. And then Benj was talking about how like I came to the studio and made bodies.

Mm-hmm. And then what I say? It was like, it was like working with a tornado. Yeah. The Tasmanian devil. I'm just gonna start spinning whenever I see. I'm just going to start spinning as fast as I can.

That's a good part about you. That's a good way to describe you though, even the way that you come into the room. It's chaotic and fucking shit. You come in, you're crazy and you spin around and the computer like spins around. It comes back. And then what you've got is a better product.

That's the thing is Mitchell comes in, spins around the room, he leaves and we're like, wait, This got better. He'll come in here and he's like, I like this. One second. Spins the room. I think that's a hit.

And then we work on it. Oh, the song's good now. We're like, what's this happened? Yeah, it's too kind. It was like, okay. I honestly just have vertigo. Mitchell also has a really good, this is something that I envy in you. I remember from Studio City House.

I would hear him start something. I was like, shit. It's a terrible idea. Like, I'd almost be like, oh, I don't know about this one. And then like a few hours later, you know, maybe go downstairs and I come back and he's like, check this out. It's the same maybe little idea at the start, but it's turned into a full idea. And he's like, I had to work on this. I had to make this sound good.

And I think that that's pretty impressive. Most people are just like, this isn't going to work, you know, move on. But you're like, I'm going to keep. Well, you've done better at that as well. You normally would move on, but now you're sticking with it longer. Because there's lots of things you can do to an idea. You can't just start with the idea. idea it's like okay let me change it if this is if this sound

it's almost like a challenge just be once you drag something in you're like it doesn't sound great but let me see if I can make it yeah yeah see what I can do to it and that makes you have to overcompensate with other things you wouldn't normally do and then because you've overcompancyed you've invested more time and since you invested more time you actually care more about the instrumental and so you start trying to make it as good as it can be yeah no it's it's it's pretty impressive trait. What is your favorite thing about Mitchell? My lips.

As a friend or as a performer? Upstairs, downstairs, my lips. That's a good question. Because it's two different things, isn't it? Yeah. Because I was just thinking when I was listening to you answer that question, where I find after knowing you for a decade, watching you grow up in this

shit, you know what I mean? I find that when I see you in your element making music or on stage, it's a part of you. It's not that it's a different person. It's the same person. When I see you in your element where you're doing what you're really fucking good at, there's a poise that you have that is really interesting because the guy that we all hang out with at your house or at a dinner or whatever is fun and chaotic. It's the same as all of us. But there's a focus that is like a next level.

There's not a lot of frontmen, only good frontmen and only good bands, right? Because I could say this about all of you. And Clinton's not here. But we could say this when you get to see someone and a group doing what they do really fucking good. Well, you have to focus to do it. To put the show on, you have to focus. But you can watch other bands and you can see other people try to do it at the level.

and you go, it was pretty good, it was okay. It's really tough to disconnect from watching other band as well now and trying not to think about critically what they're doing and not try and criticize them. You know too much. There's slight little facial things that you can see between a guitarist and a singer now and you're like, those guys just had a fight before stage.

Yeah, it's like you're hearing it and you're like, I should have made them do something there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, the song ended on a weird part. What are you guys doing? But like it's because where, I don't know, it becomes very hard to log off. I think if you, on the theatre stuff,

kind of, if you watch us just before stage, like I think about the TikTok live stream we did. And just before we go on stage, you know, we're all messing around, you know, we're like being stupid all the way up to the moment that somebody says in our ears says walk. And then as soon as you go up the stairs, it's like the car,

you just got to run up the stairs. But as soon... Game time. game time. As soon as it goes on stage, it's like all of us just flip a switch. But it is, it's very funny to see the backstage stuff.

And then, we're just fucking around. Like the whole time. Like, you, at the O2 show. Like, yeah.

At the O2 show, you would not have thought that this band is about to play in front of 20,000. We're just sitting there playing, some of people playing chess. Oh, yeah, we had the,

we played nine and see. We had like a Nerf gun or something as well. Like, we'll play, definitely playing hide and seek probably right before yeah we're trying to find you yeah it's like midway through the set jesse found me yeah mid he was playing hide and sick we couldn't find him before the show but it is a very cool thing that not even in the biggest show of our lives there's so many pretentious people out there and we always talk about it cross and i there's just

yeah there are a pretentious artist again to not sound conceited like we're very successful in in our own right you know and yeah no doubt to see it just breaks my heart to see other artists that i'm in close to that level and they're just behaving in such a big headed yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel that way too it breaks my heart i feel that way too i feel like i see people almost like it's a it's an inflation right they're trying to puff themselves up to be as big as they think they should be or a character that they think they should play a character it really gets to them far too quick because like we've all been through it and I haven't seen any like I haven't seen

any of us like become like a piece a real piece of shit well yeah like I noticed when I'm backstage right it feels like I'm hanging out at one of your houses yeah and that's how it should feel I think right yeah I noticed that with a few other people and they're all really fucking great artists it's like step one you know and so it's interesting when I find that the people that have like a comfortable environment backstage where it feels like welcoming and it feels like it feels chill friendship is important as well friendship and it also feels like they've done a thousand shows and they know yeah what they're doing and and you then you know if you're having a great time relaxed time backstage then you're not tense before you go on stage you're going to have fun on

stage yeah and if we're excited before you go on stage we have the best shows yeah and also isn't there something to not being miserable all day before you play that night yeah hurry up and wait thing the hurry off and wait that's such a good that's such a good quote Quickly get to the venue, so you can sit there for six hours. Yeah. If everyone's miserable. If everybody's miserable, then why are we fucking on tour? Well, that's a good thing that Jesse's really good at.

We can have kind of the room, you know, after three or a month on the road. You're doing the same thing so you can get a bit complacent. Yeah, yeah. And Jesse's very good at turning the music up and flaring us up, making us do push-ups and hyping us up. I also don't know how Bluetooth works. I don't trust it. He's. He's.

Jesse Boyle. Jesse Boyle. He's, he's a very optimist. He's probably one of the best people you could have on tour. He's a good friend. He's a great friend. That's the best part is that we've been friends with each other. Patrick, as well.

We're brothers. Yeah. We're not a band that's been put together or we didn't become a band with the focus of like, let's be the biggest band in the world. There was a little sprinkle of destiny on it for sure. Yeah. Because like to have one person and just so happens that their friend is Pat, you know, He's probably the best guitarist I've ever met.

I mean, that that was that was the first two people we haven't met for those roles. They know a little bit. Like you see Pat Shred a little bit and you're like, but like he's like he's a he's goody. We're holding him back. Listen, I go back to this Australian thing that I always say like Australian musicians. Like they all have to be good to like call themselves a musician. But then they can't then like no trash. None of them really actually like profess how good they are.

So it's kind of nonchral. lot where you're like like you can almost count that like Aussie musicians are like are going to be good but then then all of a sudden pat you see pat fred and you're like you know he's got the soul he doesn't even say that he can do it's got the funk no he doesn't pat is pat's awesome pat's awesome he's figured out down to a mathematical equation i should yeah he's also a genius like he's he's got his master's i just saw that recent i think i knew that he had his master's degree he's working the But I saw his, we had to get our criminal records to go to Chile for immigration. It is in your DNA.

I am in trouble. It is in your DNA. It has like highest level of education and there's master's power. I'm going to put Hogwarts. Hogwarts. I've completed it. Because you went to Universal. I completed Hogwarts.

This is pre-volta. Pre-volta. But where it was way less scary. There wasn't a single school incident. My whole high school. Like, it's bullshit. Did you live under the stairs? Was that?

Did you live under the stairs? No, but I'm talking about at Hogwarts or at the house? Because I didn't live at that house. You see, there's a movie. That's Harry Potter's house. It's Harry Potter. But under the moving stairs, yeah, I had a few first kisses under there. It's great.

There's a few good spells used on me. I had a few first kisses. Yeah, you used the memory one. On yourself? No, the girls would do it to me. What's the most exciting? thing about being in Chase Atlantic. The fact that we get to hang out with our friends all the time

and that we still get to do the thing that we loved that a 9 to 5 kind of would have destroyed. I think that we get to travel the world. Like going to Japan for the first time. You see everything. And you get complacent and you're like, Japan was awesome. But then you've got to take a step back again.

You're like, wow. We wouldn't change it for the world. Yeah. But there's so much happening right now that I know. there's going to be even more exciting things in the future. Yeah. Like when craft buys me a Ferrari. Yeah.

I can't wait. At some point. At some point, you get you a spider. I can't wait. It's going to be a beautiful. You've been saying that for a long time. I have to.

I gotta keep reading it. Yeah, yeah. I really kind of have you for getting that one. That's a big one. How often would you guys say you like communicate with your fans? I mean, every single time we see them in real life.

What about every day online or something? I don't really go online. I need to be better at the, on the discord. No, You're the best at all of it. How many people are in your Discord? 290,000. I got 7 million.

Holy shit. Yeah. You know, we can rip packs for days, we can rip packs for days. Holy shit. Yeah. And I just send a message like,

hello. Dude, we should rip some packs on it. You know how many are on the Good Charlotte Discord? In the Discord. 2,900. We can help you. We can help you,

bud. No, I don't need you out. I don't let pride get in the way. I'm just telling you, like, discords are powerful. That's what I mean, Like we're very powerful.

Honestly, a lot of the people, so we gave them an incentive to sign up for Discord. And we're probably like the only account that a lot of them follow. We're also, we're very strict on that we don't want. We've been approached by companies that are like, here's a fan subscription service. It's $4.99 for the fans. We don't want them to pay to be a fan. And we also want companies to be like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, they already buy your record.

You should buy your ticket. You shouldn't cost. I shouldn't have to pay $4.99 to be a fan. I already am going to buy your album. I'm going to buy tickets. your show. You were just being mean at that point. Exactly.

So instead we'd rather incentivize you being a part of this community. And then you can choose. Which is what Chris has helped us with really well, which is this XP base. Chris Shelley. Chris Shelley. Yeah. Which is this XP based fan experience, which is they earn points. You earn points for going to locations and doing this.

Going to the app store soon. Yeah. Very soon. I just, I think of it is like. So you have an app coming out. Yeah. Or the fans. It's actually coming out within the next two weeks.

Very Pokemon. Coded feels like it's very Pokemon coded. And your fans can participate. It's coded by very Pokemon coded. Let's be real here.

We went in the back end. It doesn't even look like Pokemon at all. Okay, but you guys are a very Pokemon coded band. Mitchell's a Pokemon carded man. As you can tell, I hate the franchise. You hate Pokemon.

That's why he loves Japan, man. I buy all these things out of spite. Pokelyland. Pokelyland. Pokemon's. Pokemon is coming out. One piece land. I've tried to buy them

Pokemon stuff and every time he's like, oh, thank you. I've got these. I've already got. He's like, thanks so much. I've done that. By the way,

I've done that before too. Get me like, oh, thanks. And I'm like, you have a hundred of these, don't you? Remember in Japan, I went to this store in Japan

and they had like these three different versions of like a Pikachu. And they were all Japanese and I was like, dude, I put that up yesterday. You put it up, but you had two of them. I had two of them,

but like there's no like doubles is good doubles of the nerve because then you can send them in for can i say yeah can sorry to interrupt you guys can i say an observation i really feel like you guys have the coolest modern business as a band that i've seen in a long time even just and i think i know why you guys make decisions based on what you think is one like cool and the right thing for your fans but that you also fuck with it and you can do it versus it's a good idea and well someone will do it yeah that's different we don't want to get beat to you guys do things that you think are the right things for your fans i think that's what art is as well though that's music that's everything that's like it's a good thing with chris

as well because chris who is our brother yeah he is a fan of what we do and I feel like in a lot of ways he's able to communicate what he would want that's where the investment comes from as well yeah he can look at it objectively as a fan rather than just someone who wants a cash grab or yeah like jumped on the wagon because he jumped on when we had nothing yeah when I came and he was a fan he likes what you're doing so that from the from from the beginning shows integrity and yeah and actual faith and care about like nurturing the brand yeah Which is very important.

It's why the merch is so good. It's why the art is so good. It's why it's consistent. He loves it. He loves it. You know what I mean? He's going to go to extra mile. If you look at them,

if you go to a Chase Lennick on Apple or something and you look at the albums next to each other, they're all cohesive from like phases onwards. The ones that he's worked at, they all can tie into each other color-wise or. I don't know. There's something kind of beautiful about the first one too. I think it's the nostalgia now. It's kicked in.

but one of the first like two years after release i was like what yeah we went simple with it but who drew it how much money do you get well we i remember we had we came up with one and then we couldn't we couldn't use the same flower because it was copyrighted so they drew us this rose yeah they they drew a flower for us core power i i drink those every day me too and uh death liquid death spot i knew exactly what i'm blanking a bunch of today, dude. Liquid death, sponsor the crew. Liquid death, core power and Arizona ice tea.

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I'm just going to leave that vague comment. Like anything. Okay. What do you feel like? has been the hardest thing over the last 10 years for Chase Atlantic to overcome together as a band. Because we always do overcome stuff together. That's the whole thing. So the hardest. I think we've overcome stuff that most people would crumble.

I think bands would have fallen time and time again. One more time, what was the question? My brain is not working today. What do you think the most challenging thing over the last 11 years as a band? To overcome, yeah. What's been the hardest thing to overcome? And it could be something together or it could be something personally. think it is growing together with without falling apart that's the hardest thing growing up because we

there's so many times where we could have fallen apart yeah and the fact that we didn't that was the hardest thing to get over you think the fact that we were able to stick together regardless of the circumstance do you think that starting as like kids right because you were kids this idea that started as kids yeah and like what did you know but you knew something yeah and then as grown men the journey that you go on there like by the way like how many of my friends am I still friends with that I was when I was 15 yeah a couple maybe

but like most of them no because I'm a different I was a different person back then it's tough to relate as well yeah but you're you're also not expecting when you start making music together you're not expecting that 14 years later you're still going to be in the same band yeah because it's all very fleeting I've almost I think I'm at the point now in my life where I've known you for more for longer than

I've been like, well, not been alive, but longer. Then you've been like aware of what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, longer, you've been a part of my life for more than 50% of my life. Right. Which is insane to think of. But I-that's real history. I think the toughest thing for me personally was us going from, I think I've said this before,

but we, I used to feel like the power ranges and we would all rock up in the same car and would like, Mitchell would slide over the front of the car. I'd like tumble out of the back. Clinton would slowly meander out of the front. Yeah, you lived together. We lived together. We were in each other's pockets. It was like, hey, we would come to Studio C every day.

We, even if we didn't, it was just like, what time should we go to the studio today? Like, we had to go. Yeah. We'd go to theme parks together. We made a routine for us. We do everything. We did everything together. You survived here together.

And then post-COVID. In life. We're getting older, you know, at that point, we're young men. 25. We've got partners. It's like, so. moving away from each other for me at the start was was hard

it is right because then getting back in the studio was a bit harder learning what that now it's like a different you have to catch up every time because you haven't seen each other yeah you're all on the exact same page you can't just jump straight to the music yeah some people don't survive growing up and you get put by yourself and then you start

not having your friends by you to check you you know I mean we literally grew up together and then the separation thing for me was quite hard to like right Find the footage footing. I had times in Los Angeles where I was like, I don't know. Really had like siblings like like that. Yeah.

Well, my brother was nine years older than me. So he was. So it would have been like your first. And I just found that I had lots of times in Los Angeles where I was like, I don't really know what I'm doing here. What the heck am I doing here? And we kind of at the time, we weren't, we weren't in the studio as much. Yeah, you go through moments of not being close. Like like what you understood close to be.

Yeah, which is painful. And then now I feel. like it's so good because every time we see each other it is we've managed to find that missing bridge that we can all come back together and and talk about things that have been going on but also like just like pick up what we left off and it's exciting i mean we we've always spoken about how in the early days when we were both in school michael and i could go you know three months without a text to each other right and we'd see each other and it was like easy easy we never never thought about that you do you do you

you out to me. Doesn't even we're not besties. We're just seeing a few months. And we've always kind of still had that relationship. But when we're in the same city and you're living your own life,

there was moments early in in 2023 when I was like, I don't know what I'm doing in L.A. But now I feel like we've figured it out again. I think like 90% of people live in L.A. Feel like that, yeah. What the hell am I doing? Yeah, I did.

And for a very, very long time until I had kids. Yeah. 2004 and 2025 I think we've really figured it out when we got back into the studio on Blackwood last year February but that 2020

was a tough year of like yeah and then you get the long you wait to make music the more scared you get the less comfort and then it's just like if we didn't start then it would have been way harder I feel like the worst thing Chase Atlantic can do is not make music because there's something about making music

that's as a part of how you guys understand being in a band. All committing crimes. Right. That's, yes. But what I'm saying is that some bands, they exist in cycles. Oh, now we're going to make a record. And then, oh, now we're going to tour for three years. And then we're going to make a record.

Something about the creative process of Chase Atlantic that I've noticed, if you're not creating or being creative for too long a period of time, things can go sideways. Yeah, 100%. Because we're looking for something. um elsewhere instead of the music i see footage of you i think i sent you this a while ago it's somewhere on youtube but it's you probably 13 14 and you've produced you're producing at school and it's like you as a kid i sent it i found i sent it i was like you would this mitcher would be really proud of you now yeah you would be that's true that little fellow had no idea

A little guy had no idea. Braces, Spike, yeah. Yeah, but that Mitchell, the Mitchell that I saw on Friends, when I heard Friends. Still didn't really know who I was. I'm just telling you, you didn't know who you were, but you were so fucking talented. But that little guy had the, I was really tall. Had the balls to sing the song and to beat. Like, I'm just saying, I see it with you.

I see it with Clinton. Those little dudes didn't know what the fuck they were stepping into. Yeah. But had the. the guts to do their own band, make their own shit be themselves. And why do people love those early songs so much? I'll tell you why. You guys have always had soul. You've always had some heart. And one day you'll be my age and you'll look back on it a little differently. I know you don't reject it, but I know it's not what excites you. But what I'm saying is those

early songs, why people love them so much is because even at a young age, you guys, new, who you were. You wanted to be a band and you were ambitious. You wanted to write your own songs. You wanted to do this. They exuded a lot of confidence as well. Vision. It's false confidence but it's still confidence. It's youthful ambition and want to succeed.

Yeah, it was like kind of foreshadowing. The Soldier EP and Paradise EP slap. They slap. They slap. They're so refreshing. You don't play enough the song live. I don't think you want but when they come on it, I'm like

oh yeah, I love it. Every band is listening to me right now agreeing with me. You don't play enough of them live. And when I heard those, I said, let me tell you something. This is what I said when I heard your band the first time and I went down the rabbit hole. And by the way, it was only a handful of songs. But I said this to me, this is a young in excess.

This is like, this is what in excess would have sounded like as teenagers starting, like in my mind in 2016. You know what I mean? And now I look at you as a full grown band. And why do I still kind of believe I was right about that? Well, because you're all musicians, whether you show it off or not, when you go see you live, you see a band that's playing music, which in, for the last decade, bands have come back over the last few years. But in the time you guys were making your brand of rock music an alternative and what you do, it was not cool. It was like pop was heavy, EDM was heavy, hip hop.

was heavy. Now bands have come back around and you guys are at the top. Because it's that hybrid as well. It's kind of a bridge between all these pop and rock. You can't just jump from one to the other. Yeah. Chase Atlantic has like trap. And then you've got hip hop. It's got electronic. But it's alternative as well. And it's, and if we zoom all the way out, it's still a rock band. We control the trading route. Right. Yeah. So. So good. Yes. So what I'm saying is is when you go see you live and you experience the live the live part of this band. That's cool.

It's when you become a believer, right? You get evangelized because you see the show. That's what live music does. It's like having a hook on the, fish on the hook, you know what I mean? And then the live show is just like getting the bot, getting it in the fucking.

Right. And so when I think of like, I only say Australian, great Australian bands because that's whether you like it or not, where you're from. It's in your like roots. Like that music,

was around you. Absolutely. Like when you walked down the street at six years old in the shops, there was music around you that like when I think about like great and Australia has produced very great rock bands and bands and singers. Absolutely. Yeah. And I know your parents like so you guys come from music loving soulful families, right?

So I know you were around music your whole life. And then you go off as a kid and you decide like, fuck all that. I'm going to do my thing and you're making like what you think is your idea of cool is like this trap or this electronic or this. But what's been in you and what's been around you and what raised you is there. And so it's going to make its way out. So when I hear those old songs, I hear these kids who were raised on great music. I can hear it in them.

And there's soul. It's crazy because I was just talking to Jordan about this morning. My grandpa, Benpa, would put every single morning at like 7 a.m. And this is when we were younger, so we hated that. And it was on weekends. We'd go stay the phone. Immediately music's on like loud as something I would do. I'm like, I'm definitely going to be that when I'm older.

Yeah, you're that guy. Like fuck all your, it's my house. I'm putting the music on. What kind of music was it? It was just, think magic moments, but just like all stuff like that. Right. magic da da da da da

moments and on a vinyl so it was all like scratchy and it was like the original version the vinyl's a bit warped as well microphone was like one of those metal ones

was all the way back here the reverb was coming from the room yeah yeah big like no big crush just just crushed audio was crushed but the musicality

of your records and all your records is one that can it translates live. You guys can stand on stage as a band and play it at any age, too, by the way. And that's why I think the possibilities are endless with what this band can make. Thank you. Because in your 30s, you may go, we want to make this kind of record.

I'm excited for the point where we have enough money to start experimenting. Right. So I think that's kind of the mark of true artists. And I think that's why I've probably always been a fan. is because when I've always heard is at the core of all your music is a song. Also,

I'm a good little kisser. You say also because you're a good kisser. I'm yummy. I'm a good little kisser. You're good looking. You're a good friend man. You're a good lead singer. No,

and Christian, if you, every time we get to that second verse, we're waiting for Christian. Like that's how it feels as a fan. You know, like, but as a fan,

And, you know, like, when you show up, it's exciting. Like, we all love. Yeah, thank you. He's the yang. He's the yin, whichever. There's a balance. My voice. Yeah.

He's a warm. It's a great experience as a fan. I heard someone describe it once and it was like, you know, I don't know what song it was, but it was like, Mitchel's like the chaotic and crazy and I was like the calming. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. Blanket.

It's like, I'm communicating. I'm like trying to calm you down. Well, I think it's interesting. I think I'm stronger. than you. Yeah, definitely, I think I'm gonna win this.

He's beating everyone on an arm wrestle. I think I, I beat him in an arm wrestling. You beat him in an arm wrestle? I did. Oh, what did you just say?

I've beaten you at arm wrestling. You've beaten me in an arm wrestle. Yes, I have. Ew, get out of you and try again. You wish, jellyfish. No way. I have beaten you.

I'm waiting for the rechallenge for the day you can beat me. You said I need do more training. I have been training. You haven't been training. beat me. I have beat you.

Look at all the cameras and take it back. No, I've beaten you. You beat me the last time. The last time we arm wrestle, I had fallen out of my... I think when you guys do the one-on-one, it starts with that. It starts with the arm wrestle, and then winner gets us the first question. The one thing I'll say about what we were just talking about is I do think, Christian, you sit in between Clinton and Mitchell in a way that balances out. a really incredible relationship

you and Clinton have. A great dynamic. I feel like it would be really tough to be in a band with your brother because you just have that extra element of growing up together, sibling rivalry. You're actually allowed to act on the emotions

because you're related. You're related, it's different. You know, the way that brothers communicate and I feel like I have become an adoptive brother, but there's still, you know, there's a way that I speak to my brother that if somebody else was speaking to my brother like that, I would have a problem with that.

Absolutely. And we've said this before as well. Like, at the end of a tour, I get to kind of take a step back from Chase Atlantic for a little bit, even if it's a week or two weeks. Right. You get time off. You know, or even if I go home to my family,

I'm going home to the family. Whereas Chase Atlantic and like the caves, it's never, you can't turn it off because it's your brother. You're working with your brother, which is obviously you would know, about? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

thank God you guys aren't. All you hear about is brothers and bands about how they. Well, I know that me and Bench had a very, me and Bench had a very rough time in our 20s. And then in our 30s, we started doing therapy. In your 20s is when you start getting that,

like, that greedy kind of, I deserve this. You know what I mean? Well, you fight over things because you grow up and then you're both men. And then you don't know how to relate to each other. from yeah and then you're relating to each other differently without being able to accept that you are

and you can't express it and then you both don't always want there's some and then also you both have your own lives you know you like start to go and there's a natural separation that happens it's like what happens with our parents right yeah like at some point in our life we have to break away from them and it's painful and everyone handles it differently some families fight some people but once you've separated and you've been able to become an adult, you come back together and it's better. Yeah. Oh yeah. No. The same thing happens with siblings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The same thing happens with siblings. Then it's a painful process. But in our 20s, it was rough. Like we would fight and we didn't know how to communicate. And then we started going to therapy in our 30s. And after a couple,

a few short years, we started having like really healthy dialogues. And a lot of that stuff just went away. And then some of it was healed. Like some stuff we had to heal. Yeah. We had to like. Do you have to do that whole, like, take it home with you and work on it and say stuff that you wouldn't normally say? That's like a one way of working on things. I don't know if I could do that. No. What's that? Hey, oh, honey, how are you doing?

It's like tools. How has your day been? It's like, I didn't mean to speak to you or upset you in that kind of way. Well, I will say this. You know what I mean? Sounds pretty basic. No, no, but like I'm not explaining it well. Okay.

So it's learning new ways. Like stuff you wouldn't normally say. Right. But if the way that you're communicating is not correct. It seems almost. I will say this, Mitty, you're a really smart guy. Thank you. And so sometimes with smart people that are creative as well,

it's a lot harder to get them on board when, look, the therapist, if you ever go to therapy, the therapist has to be smarter than you. Yeah, I know. And then that's even still, still going to be a challenge. Yeah. With me, I'm not too, I'm similar to you. in some ways, I did find someone that helped me

in the early stages of my therapy. I did have to do things like that. I wasn't communicating the right way. So I did have to start practicing. It feels a little forced and weird. It does at first and it's uncomfortable. But then after a while, it goes away because I don't need to practice anymore.

And somehow that idea gets fused into, it kind of gets integrated in. And the real version of it is something that's a little bit less like forced. Yeah. But you do learn how to be a better listener or a better communicator or whatever with the conflicts, right? Like how to problem solve how to how to resolve conflict is like the point.

And so learning how to resolve conflict with my brother was a thing. Because we weren't taught as kids. Like my family was fucked with that. You're also, you're not taught how to resolve conflict within a business to with a brother. Right. Yeah. Our whole thing is learn the hard way.

Yeah. That's all we've ever done. Well, you will learn one way or the other, right? Yeah. I don't think we haven't learned the easy way. But therapy for me is one thing. It's a tool, of many tools and tool books. I also have a lot of love for my brother.

And so I wanted to, we wanted to resolve it. And we were frustrated. And so I found in our 30s, we actually started having the most success we've ever had in our life that the success of Good Charlotte pales. in comparison to the how grand the success we've had now with things other things investments and yeah and just together yeah you guys keep winning and like having artists it's like that you came to our show in Sydney

and like that would be very bonding for you guys I assume to be like hey when you guys like you know what I mean like when you guys have one-on-one time you're like man how do we how do we call that one huh? Well I'll tell you it's very healing to be able to work with your brother over decades and find our way. Yeah, share that feeling as well. And yeah, and so we get excited together.

We dream together. And it wasn't always easy. It was we, we, that's why whenever if I see you admit, if I see you in Clinton going at it, I understand because I've been there. Yeah. And so it doesn't freak me out.

I'm just like, but I also know what I know about you both as people. And so I, if, if I was worried. If I'm ever worried, I'd tell you. But like, I also, I also see you both evolving. And, like, that's the track we're on.

But I also know what it means to be in your 20s. And I know what it means to be in your 30s. You have to go through these experiences. Again, you know what it's like to have a brother. Yeah. Like, I think all of us, you know, Patrick's got a brother. Jesse's got a brother. We all have to.

You got to have to. You got to. You have to. And, you know, brothers just, they just fight. They just fight. They just fight. It's just a thing. You know, this is the brother kind of rivalry.

You still love each other to death. So you get elder's brother thing. Yeah. But there is. But you also need. But the biggest blessing in life is brothers, man. I agree. Andicus.

Yeah. What's your guys' favorite thing about Clinton? His tenaciousness. Is tenacity? Tenaciousness was one word. Can't believe you told me that was a word. Tenacious? Tenaciousness.

I didn't say that. Would you say that's? One of the ingredients of... I mean, it's helped him in so many situations is also backfired in so many situations. Yeah. I think, I think he's got an obsessive nature, doesn't he? I think both... He's crazy.

I think they both are perfectionist, which is a really amazing trait to have, but... It can restrict it. Yeah, but I, I think... But you could say it's part of the success. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that, again... Totally, totally.

Yeah. But also, it could also be part of... I think Clinton's... I think Clinton's... Skateboarding. heart. I think he's, I know that's a bit cliche. Yeah, no, he's got, he's got, he's got, it's the same with you, mate, you guys both have really big hearts.

You know, he's, a lot of people gravitate towards Clinton and in our friendship because he is so open, he's loving, he's sweet, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he can be, he's hard on his sleeve, you know, he's too much, so, it's almost unhealthy, yeah. And unfortunately, we have seen in times that people have taken advantage of how right, genuine and trusting he is.

You know? Get some back, get some, put some long his sleeves on. Yeah, he's, but I think for people who are close to him, and that's his best trait. Yeah. I think he's afraid to let people down. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's terrified of letting people down.

I found him to be, uh, one of the interesting experience I've had with you guys all in different ways, but collectively as well, is I met you, you were teenagers. Mm-hmm. I couldn't relate to you as a friend. I said, though, you said a friend. We were. But there was a ton of stuff I couldn't relate to. Yeah.

And now as older guys, where I found my friendships with you have blossomed. White wine and shrimp. Because, what's that? White wine and shrimp. Yeah. So I... I can't believe we did that. And then you guys being like, we're fully cool smoking weed and then not saying a word around the campfire.

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that's what I'm saying though is like you guys aren't you guys are not judgmental friends you're very like I've never judged

anyone on my life And I would say this about Clinton So I get what you're saying It's very sweet Totally She's a sweet guy But I can tell he's afraid to let you down You know what I mean

That's what a friend is That's what a friend should be Yeah Is what you're trying to explain And the way I feel about Clinton Is sometimes I want to shake him and go Bro, you can't let me down Just tell me how you feel

Like you've been checking each other That's why we didn't become ourselves Because we were always checking each other When one of us If everyone gets too big for their boots Yeah except on a line I'm going out of pocket It goes back to the perfectionist thing

With Clinton He's worked so hard to make sure He you know In a lot of ways he's been the skeleton And it kind of started with his whole idea And we've kind of been forming And getting to his level and stuff So there's definitely I can see what you're saying

In that level But you can't let us down You know Can't lead us astray He's been He's our brother Last question Why

Why take so much time And effort to release a bonus. Because we care. Deluxe. Because we care about the quality of our craft. You know, there was something, I think, maybe you said it or Benj,

but it was like usually a deluxe is, you know, songs that didn't quite make the album. Yeah, so any fans. So I'll say that again. So any fan that's listening, I'm going to give you a behind the scenes piece of information. We have throwaway. Record labels,

out the luxes to juice the orange one more time. Yeah, one last squeeze. So they pick up all the songs off the cutting floor and they repackage it and they put it out. I don't care what anyone says. That's 85%. Yeah, I'll say that. That's fair. 85% of the luxes and especially if it's your favorite artists and they're a big artist,

if it's any big artist, the labels usually taking songs that were submitted, taking songs off the cutting room floor, repackaging it with a couple bonuses, and then they put it back out and they get like one last squeeze of the release, right? And it's accepted by artists. It's not frowned on. Fans are getting something. They're getting old songs that weren't going to be heard. Again, like with us being produced, is the artist.

It's just like, yeah, whatever. So my question. We're like, instrumental. So sharing my experience with the fans that are listening is when we said we were going to do a deluxe, in my mind, it's not the most. most exciting thing in the world because that's what I know. I know that most bands are just going to pick up, okay, cool. Fans are going to get songs they wouldn't have heard. That's cool. Always worth doing, but not that exciting. We made him from scratch. And the band, you're the only

band I know. So this was a first for me. Yeah. Or it always is a first with you guys because you've done it before. But you took almost the time it takes to make a record to do the deluxe. And I guess I'm asking why. Well, we suck. As you said, and I've always kind of felt like this for us, you have like the norms of what a band or what the industry does. Yeah, they're not wrong. Just because it's the norm.

It doesn't mean it's what we're going to do. I felt the same with even contract stuff. You know, they're like, this is what every band does. It's like, we're not every band. We understand. That might be the norm and that's how they do it. That's not how we want to do it. What we want to do is still release good music.

This is something for the fans, right? It's not just a throwaway so that we can get another cash grab. We would never cheap out on them. And in a sense, even this next deluxe has progressed, like these, the two extra songs that are coming out on the deluxe. We're finding our evolution, the bridge as well. It's creating the bridge to the next stuff. There are two songs that, especially one of them, we've never created.

Oh, and the other one, because it's like, two of them have turned into three songs in one. And it's a kind of a start. that we've never even touched on before. Bohemian rap. As Midi's saying, it's the bridge into our next style. So while we're already looking to do the next album and to make something else, this is a bridge of from Lost in Heaven to C5. Holy shit, we're not a fifth album.

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