Artist Friendly with Joel Madden - Reggie Watts

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

On this week's episode of Artist Friendly, Joel Madden is joined by Reggie Watts. Watts is an experimental comedian and musician whose improvised sets are created using just his voice, a keyboard, and a looping machine. Whether he’s beatboxing, pulling off deft impersonations, or switching into different languages, Watts takes pleasure in confusing everyone around him, never performing the same show twice. His surreal style has led him to several seasons on Comedy Bang! Bang!, guiding the house band for The Late Late Show with James Corden, and hosting the game show Taskmaster — injecting originality and oddness into everything he does. The comedian also has a new special, Never Mind, available to stream on Veeps, where he transports the audience back to the ’90s from LA’s Regent Theater. ------- Listen to their Artist Friendly conversation on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠ ------- Follow Artist Friendly! IG: @artist.friendly TikTok: @artist.friendly YouTube: youtube.com/@artist.friendly ------- Host: Joel Madden, @joelmadden Executive Producers: Joel Madden, Benji Madden, Jillian King Producers: Josh Madden, Joey Simmrin, Janice Leary Visual Producer/Editor: Ryan Schaefer Audio Producer/Composer: Nick Gray Music/Theme Composer: Nick Gray Cover Art/Design: Ryan Schaefer Additional Contributors: Anna Zanes, Neville Hardman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, what's up everybody? I'm Joel Madden, and this is artist-friendly on this episode. I'm talking to comedian, musician, author, and actor, Reggie Watts. Let's go. Do you feel like you're a musician first or a comedian first? If you could, if you would consider yourself either, I don't know. Like, for me as an outside person, and I would look at you and go like, okay, it's a brand of comedy and entertainment and music.

Do you even think that way or you just do your art and you just, it is what it is? Like, is that a weird question? No, no, not at all. I mean, it's something I've thought about. I mean, technically, I would say like I'm probably a musician first. Yeah. I would say because, you know, I studied piano at age five until 16 and I was in school orchestra playing violin for eight years and had my first band in high school.

And then when I moved to Seattle in 1990, and I was in, I think I counted like about, I think I was in about like 14 bands, 15 bands. And sometimes a keyboardist, sometimes a vocalist, sometimes front person, sometimes in the background, all kinds of music, every kind of music you'd imagine. World music, punk, rock, metal, hybrid shit, trip hop, drum and bass, whatever. So I definitely have a shit ton of existence as a musician. However,

tons of experience. Yeah, tons of experience. You know, and through that whole like 90s, I mean, and it's like, well, you guys kind of know about it. Like your, your career path kind of goes towards like the changing, like the changeover. Yep. You were like right on that edge. Right on the cusp. Right on the cusp. Like you guys like were so lucky, but also probably saw a lot. But yeah. So for me in the 90s in Seattle, obviously Seattle turned into like it went nuclear in like what 92 93 something like that i moved there 90 so i saw the quiet town that was like quiet as hell when i when it was late at night and you drive around you're like i got this whole town whatever i want to do night time's my time to every label having a satellite set up somewhere

in there and like every band's getting signed every band's being signed every band's being signed every they're looking everywhere it's like bands are moving there actually yes yeah a lot of ban i mean edie rakel's band, whole band moved up there, Everclear. Yeah, Art Alexakis. Yes. Who was actually from Portland, I think, and moved up there. Yeah, a lot of Portlanders moved up. And also people up north in Tacoma, people moved down, kill rock stars, like all that.

It was an exciting time period. I mean, it was insane, an MTV real world, which was the beginning of the end. But like, yeah. But yeah, so living there as a musician was intense. But in high school, I also did drama. and I was a comedian. Yeah, improv. Improvisational good comedy

as being able to just be funny on the spot. You know, also is just like the only way I could do it because I'm just terrible at memorizing stuff. Yeah. I was horrible at it. I can remember music. But yeah, so throughout interspersed in the 90s, I did comedy and I did some sketch comedy as well.

Yeah. And then it wasn't until about 2002, 2003, that I made a hard shift to comedy. Yeah. And basically just played catch up. with comedy compared to music and just did comedy primarily for many years until I got the late late show gig where I had like technique it's it is a band yeah put the band together but it's not like a traditional band yeah but all that experience through all those bands and all that had to

have lended itself to your ability to be able to do that every day on that level which you may me not think about but that's a that's at the highest level of entertainment dealing with the varying kinds of artists and guests and ideas in how, you know, what bit they're going to do here or that. And then so one part you're putting together a music program, on the other part, you're participating in a bit of a theatrical presentation. A hundred. So school theater, dozens of bands, all this experience, even just hearing for five minutes your musical background, I go, oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense.

Not many people could get in there and be flexible. enough. There's a lot of artists that are very rigid in like how they work, what they do, and it works for them for their like one brand of thing. But you have kind of this like improvisational Swiss Army knife thing. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It's interesting. Yeah, for sure. Makes a lot of sense. I mean, it's because I'm interested in everything. Yeah. I mean, that's why I played in all those bands. I mean, part of it was like to make rent. But like, also, So I was like, well, what's it like to play in this kind of a band? What's it like to play in this kind of a band?

You know, oh, oh, this is cool. Maybe we could do this kind of music or like, oh, this is like a from scratch band. I'm not joining in on a band like, oh, we're all coming together, making a band. What is the band? Yeah. Let's make the band, you know, because I was just interested in it. And that's same thing with comedy. I was like, oh, what's stand-up comedy?

You know, I started seeing David Cross and David Cross was on a music label, you know. I love David Cross. You know, I mean, like, he was like, oh, he's on a music label? Yeah. Whoa, that's awesome. He's rep by it, but he's not a musician. And, you know, and then I heard like, you know, Eugene Merman was opening up for, I forgot. They were like a badass, like indie rock darling at the time, but he was opening up for them on tour. And I was like, oh, this is so cool. This crossover of comedians into music and rock music and which isn't a new thing, but it was kind of had a resurgence in like 1999, early 2000s. And then to see that and that inspired me and then, you know, going in comedy. And then comedy being blended and weird. at that time because I was I came in on the alt scene in New York I moved to New York and there was really only one place to perform at the time that I moved there same thing with Seattle you know it's like I move Seattle quiet blah blah then all a sudden and the same thing with New York I moved there if there's one comedy

night everybody Kumail Nanjiani is performing there Chelsea Peretti's coming through there maybe David Cross does a set on there like everybody that you see on TV now acting or has their own show or Nick Kroll or those people yeah they're all there they were all in that scene And then suddenly it just like blew the fuck up. And there were like five or six comedy nights that you'd get up on. And so people were doing like three shows a night.

And then the viral video thing came online. Like that was a first time thing. And then of course, comedy hit it big there. And then you got like TBS investing in Super Deluxe and Super Deluxe doing the label thing that was happening like in Seattle, the parallel where they're like they're looking, they're signing all the comedians to make viral videos to make them. Yeah.

You know? And so everybody got like really good budgets and they were making these crazy videos. And it didn't quite work out, but it was a cool gold rush. Well, it didn't work out in the sense of, I think, what people like. Well, for them. Yeah, for them because I think they were laying the foundation for what we know today. Like the pioneers usually, most of them die. You're right.

On the way to the frontier. You know, like it's interesting. Like there was this new format and then everybody rushes in. it's all built on top of each other, right? And now the world that exists today with all these, like, creators that, like, we would older people from a different generation. A lot of them, we, we by nature, don't take seriously because we're just not used to that format, maybe. And it's like our parents almost, like, not taking us seriously. But I always remind myself that when I have the, like, first reaction to some young creator that's making, like, really viral stuff.

Yeah. And I'm like, eh. Yes. YouTuber. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, my, operating system just does not compute that as credible entertainment. Yes. And so I have to remind myself, because my kids will be like, yeah, check this out. It's hilarious or it's this or it's that. As I've gotten older and my kids have gotten older, I'm certainly not like hating on any of them.

And I am way open to like, like I give them their credit. But it's my first response as an artist and then as like a consumer of art to go like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was kids. but like they wouldn't exist. That's funny. They wouldn't exist if that early wave of YouTube and content and viral and all that. Like TikTok wouldn't exist if Vine didn't exist.

And like I'm not a TikTok hater at all. Like I still probably don't use it fully correctly. But like I don't love Instagram, but I'm on. But I found my place. I don't love anything. I've found my place on it. Sure. Like, I've got to interact, and so I do the things I do, like, I do this show, I do a couple other things that I care about.

That's what I do. Yeah. And it is what it is. But, like, I see the new generation of creators. It's not that I don't like them. It's I have to remind myself not to be the old guy with, like, a shotgun on the porch going, like, get off. Yeah, get off my lawn. Yeah, kids get off my lawn.

I know. It's funny. It's like, I, the people I hang up. I mean, I don't have a family. I don't have kids, but, like, I hang. I'd say probably most of my friends because some of my friends, well, my friends at my age usually have a family or something like that.

Yeah. So for me, because I don't have those things, I'm like always at the clubs, you know, like checking out the new music. Right. So, you know, not that you can't do that with the family, but it's harder though. It's just harder because you're just like, oh, the gravity is there. But for me, I'm like, okay, well, what's going on the echo tonight? Or like what's going on at the goalfish tonight?

Or like my friend or like some young DJ guys like, hey, it matches me on Instagram. I was like, hey, I'm doing a, at this weird place, I'll be like, I'll be there. Because every time I go there, I hear stuff I've never heard before. Yeah. And it gives me reasons as to why people are doing what they're doing. Yeah.

And I have a new girlfriend. And she's just amazing because she, she's kind of like in touch with a lot of like the TikTok stuff or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So she'll show me stuff. And I have other friends. Like I guess my point is that I hang out with, I hang out in those spaces, but I also have a lot of friends that are Gen Zer,

or zillennials, and they're always showing me stuff. That's good. And we're always hanging, and it feels equal. And I think it's important for intergenerational exchange, especially among artists, because for them, they'll get frustrated about stuff. And I'll be like, listen, as someone who's farther along, I can tell you what you're worrying about is not something you need to be worrying about right now. Yeah.

Like next year, you'll be worried about something else, and you won't even remember this. Yeah, totally. Or next week. Or next week, yeah. You know? And then I always have to remind him the easiest part. is the hardest part or the hardest part is the easiest part yeah which is just have fun like be in the community don't be a dick make stuff be good at what you're doing and like if you get up every

morning and you go i can't not make stuff then you're in the right direction yeah just keep making shit have fun hang out with your friends be in the community and you'll all rise up together you know it's pretty easy and i think the l.a has got an amazing scene right now it does it's pretty cool yeah the way that all the artists are all interacting with each other yeah yeah How long have you been here? I've been here since 2014. Oh, cool. Yeah.

I've been here since 2004. Oh, okay. Sick. I came in. I was like 24. Yeah. Big time. Yeah.

Where did you move from? From Maryland. Okay. That's where I'm from. Maryland. Maryland. Yeah. Sick.

Yeah. It's cool. Maryland's great. Yeah. I love it there. I just found that L.A. was more opportunity. Sure. Yeah.

Art wise, you know, and it was exciting. from a small town and I always felt like I didn't fit in there. Even though I love it. Sure, of course. Well, going back, different story. Yeah. And I do think L.A. has got a, it's weird. It gets this weird rap everywhere else.

And I guess there's some of that stuff here, but it's same anywhere else. There's plenty of cheesy people in New York or fake people in Chicago. I don't know. Yeah. I think you can find it anywhere. Totally. There's so many good people. here that I think are finding themselves, being themselves,

and I love it. So, and raising kids here has been amazing. I hear that too, like, how are you raising your kids in LA? I'm like, I don't know, they're cool. They're cool. It's a cool place to grow up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know.

I try to explain to some of my, I'm from Montana, so sometimes I have friends that are like from Wyoming or Montana. Yeah, yeah. It's like, are you afraid, are you okay living in LA? Because they'll like read some news report about like a car's on fire. or something. Yeah. And like, you know, there was like an assault somewhere.

And they're like, yeah, it's happening everywhere. It's like I personally have been here 10 years and I've never encountered any of the things that you're reading about. Me either. And not to say that I never will. And I definitely understand that that happens. But statistically, if you live in a very large city, a lot of shit's going to go down. And it happens everywhere.

And it happens everywhere. It happens in my hometown. Like, you know, so my main thing is like, I'm like, I love L.A. I think L.A. is great. I love it because I love to drive. This is the best city in the United States to drive in. And the car culture is really good. The art scene is great, just like the visual art scene.

Amazing. Like sculpture, painting, whatever, all the visual arts. Oh, my God. You've got a strong, strong music scene. You've got a strong electronic music scene. Good comedy. Great comedy. This is an amazing comedy time.

And for improv and sketch. And there's a lot of cool theaters. And theater's not as strong, but once in a while, you'll get a good hit of theater. Dance was kind of strong for second but then now it's reorganizing stuff but anyways the point is like i think it's a place where there's still tons of creativity lots of opportunity and i can't really think of in another city in the united states that i would move to having lived in new york already yeah um i don't know of any other

place and i have a lot of artists friends who are kind of the same other than like rent being tough yeah being tough to buy a house yeah uh other than that's the only part i i think they they got wrong here Yes. It's not as many people can participate in the real estate market. They've boxed everyone out. They have. Yeah, I don't even know where to begin on that one. But aside from that, I think it's a really great place.

Food's amazing. It's insane. It's like best in the world, I think, in L.A. It really is. And I love New York. I live there for a year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I lived there for 11 years.

That's crazy. My older brother moved from New York. He was there for like 13 years. came to L.A., was here for 10, and then went to Nashville, which he loves, which is cool. Yeah, it's cool. Small. Yeah. Real small.

Yeah. I like New York, but after like a week in New York, I get a little burned out. They stay out so late. Yeah. L.A., we end early. Do we do end early, however, there are after hours places. You can definitely go. There's more now.

You can find more. Yeah, there used to be not, though. Yeah. Like, you know, you go out to a club, see like some bands and people are like, what's next? And they were like, well, a diner. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that was like the common response.

And but now there's like, I get this email, they got a text message. I signed up once for this after hours party. Okay. And now every single day. Every, uh, they're good. It's at the Lexington Club. Actually, if you know that place. Oh, no.

It's downtown. Hmm. I think it's called Lexington Bar. But the Lexington is a cool place. And I was so glad that it survived the pandemic because I was worried. that all those cool places have shut down. But this is a privately owned place. And it's like a New York style, like long, you know, kind of bar.

And the cool thing is like you enter, when you enter off the street, there's like a wall in front of you and the door person's right there. And then you just like walk 10 feet and then it opens up into the club and the stage is right there. Oh, that's cool. So it's behind the wall when you first come in the door where the door person is. Behind the wall is the band on stage. So it's like you're in it immediately. It's really kind of cool. the way you enter in there.

But anyways, they've been doing after hours. Every night I get a text. It says after hours, list of DJs. Every night, every night, even like a Monday night, Sunday night, every night this summer, I've gotten a thing from that. So I'm like, that's, it must be working. Yeah.

They're doing it. But it's a cool time. Not that many options. So no, it's, yes, not that many options. But I want to personally, I want to like start a club, an after hours club, no alcohol, smart drinks, like really cool, like healthy like smart drinks, like, you know, cognitive enhancing drinks or whatever.

Mushroom drinks, can'toocha, shit like that. Yeah, mushroom drinks, like, you know, adaptogenic, whatever, you know, some Kava, some Kratum. Are you big on that kind of stuff? Like neutropics? Yeah. Or that kind of, yeah, I love, I love that shit. I'm like any sciencey nutrition stuff, I'm all about it. Yeah.

That's cool. Are you real healthy? Yeah, I try to be, yeah. I, I, um. Vegan, stuff like that? Not vegan. Okay. Because vegan isn't necessarily healthy.

Right. A lot of vegans eat pretty trashy. Yeah, yeah. I think that too. Yeah. Because I was, I was vegan for a good five years. You give a try. And vegetarian.

I was pretty heavy. And I was just eating a lot of carbs. Right. You know, and I wasn't as educated nutritionally. But yeah, no, I'm just kind of like, I just try to eat really good quality. Yeah. Healthfully and just try to have good habits. Awfulness.

Yeah. Mindfulness. You know, like I love making sure I get enough vegetables, making sure I get enough fiber. You know, I'm taking like resveritrol and whatever, these. weird supplements and yeah and always researching that and i'm really into that shit but i's cool i just want a place to hang out where it's like healthy and like and i want to have like a room where you can like if you wanted to do k with some friends you could just do it safely and like and just feel feel like and do it and have a good time what's k like ketamine ketamine okay cool yeah yeah i've never i've never

done that oh yeah it's um it's my favorite wow yeah that's cool yeah I mean, I love, I love weed too. Yeah. I'm a big THC. I mean, LA's great for, for anyone who want mushrooms and, um, and marijuana or, or anything like cannabis. Yeah, branded. Yeah.

I mean, everything is branded now. Yeah. Even the SIL-Sybin, like there's a, um, there's a company called mantra. Uh-huh. I don't know how they do it, but they have like amazing products. They have like chocolate. Yeah, yeah. That has, uh, you know, MDMA and mushrooms.

Oh, wow. Um, that's amazing. Yeah, and they have it's, yeah, I've never done MDMA either. Oh, man, if you want to have like an incredible experience with your partner like Monday, that's what I heard. It's just like completely clear, wide open, high bandwidth exchange of information and feelings. Wow. It's insane. That's cool.

Yeah, I can believe, like even with my girlfriend, a friend of her is like they plan these nights where they have like six friends over and they'll do MDMA. And we just hang out outside in their backyard and they have like a little fire. pit and everyone just kind of gets together and has these conversations and it's just incredible. Very therapeutic, I bet. Very, very therapeutic. And you kind of realize the stuff that you might be getting in your own way. Right. The compartmentalization.

Yeah. The stuff that you don't want to say because you think it's embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. I love that stuff. It's great. Yeah. And K is like kind of similar to an extent. But ketamine is more like any issue that you're having.

It's non-emotional. So like MDMA is like can be very. very like very emotional like I'm feeling intense emotions right now. Ketamine is like no emotionality. It's just pragmatic practical analysis. So like if you're if you have an issue that you're dealing with some heavy, you just kind of zoom out and you're like, oh, that's what that was. It's like like seeing a hologram of the problem. It's like a shape and you like rotate it.

You're like oh, okay, that's where the oh and that's oh and that's why it's a little bit more like that. And then at higher doses you just kind of you're like I guess it's more extreme. This is a simulation. Right. You know, like, it's the closest you can get to feeling like, oh, we are in a simulation. Yeah, nothing's real. Yeah, nothing's real. But not in a dangerous way.

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something about getting outside of all of this and seeing it for what it is and then coming back to it it alleviates the

like self-inflicted pressure and stress we put on things in life that actually like we just said we're not going to remember

it next week. Yes, totally. Let alone next year. What I'm stressed out about at this period of my life is I'm not going to remember it next year. So like there is something about that self-inflicted pain and suffering that we kind of all have

in different ways. Yeah, it's just a groove we get into and sometimes just nice to be reminded of like, oh shit, right? There's other ways of looking at things. I mean, you can arrive there obviously a million different ways. You could do deep meditation. Yeah. You know, you could, there's all kinds of ways. So I'm never.

I meditate. Oh, yeah. Not every day, but I used it. I definitely did for a long time. I was like, oh, I'm a meditator. It really helped me in a round. I had PTSD for my childhood stuff and anxiety, like horrible anxiety that I didn't actually know that I had. I mean, I knew I had it, but I had not done any work on it.

So I stumbled through my 20s. And I'd say I did pretty good for stumbling through my 20s. as far as like not really hurting myself for anyone else and acting out in ways that like were, we're beyond like just being a little messy. Yeah. But looking back as I start, so when I started working on it in my 30s

and actually getting diagnosed like by psych, you know, therapist, a psychiatrist, and they're like, oh, you're, you have PTSD. You need to like work on, we need to work on this. Meditation was one of the tools I used for a long time, along with other things like mushrooms, became something that I did for a, like the micro-dosing thing was really, I found that to be life-changing.

That's incredible. It's an incredible substance. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And then you kind of come back to it sometimes. I haven't done it in so long, only because I've always felt like it comes into my life when I need it. Exactly.

Yeah. And I don't have to think about it, you know? I haven't done it in a long time, but I always, I have a real, like, warm feeling towards psilocybin. it's pretty incredible. I kind of was like, I stayed away from it for a long time for whatever reason. Freak you out a little?

Yeah, because like, you know, it's like in the 90s, I did so much LSD and mushrooms because like in Washington, you could just like go to a farm and dig them up.

Just go to a park. Right. You'd go to the arboretum in the middle of the night and my friend like knew how to identify mushrooms and he was just like, oh, here's a blue ringer.

Just put it in your mouth. But you probably ate too much. No, no, no. That was actually one mushroom. I was, he was like, here's a mushroom. I took it and it was exactly the right dose. Oh, that's cool. I went like heavy, but like not too heavy.

But no, it wasn't really about overdosing. It's just that I did it so much and had so many incredible experiences. And then I think when I moved to New York, I just, it just wasn't around as much. Right. It was harder to get. Yeah, so I just didn't have it. And so it was mostly just weed for me. And I never drank.

So I. You don't drink? No. Oh, wow. No. Yeah. That's smart. It's really bad for you.

I didn't take to it. Yeah, I tried it. It's really bad for you. Yeah, that's what I heard, you know. I mean, I imagine if someone could successfully have just like one glass of wine once in a while, totally fine, very nominal. But like a lot of people can do that, but I guess it's okay for you wine. They say one glass is good for you.

Yeah. You know, I'm not a big drinker, but I have at points in my life. There's no positive. Right, right. Like, it's more like survival bragging. You know, like, I find like the thing about drinking is more like, I survived. Yeah. Like how bad.

Hadley did you fuck yourself up. I fucked myself up. And you survived? Yeah. Oh, it's so cool. It's like, really? That's the best that you get for me? Kind of is like that. Isn't it? Like, yeah, that was. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah. Want to try it again? Crazy doing a bunch of dumb shit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we did it. We made it through it. That's funny. Well, I got more tonight. There's going to be more tonight. Okay, great. I mean, I get it. It's like camaraderie and stuff like that. I just like for me, drinking was always like it's becoming more, more. More. unconscious as the more you do. Right. And I gravitate the things that are more psychoactive. So they're like they're more broadening. Yeah, like more conscious when I'm, and that to me is interesting. Yeah. And that's why ketamine for me,

I've just had, in high school we used to do robotussin. Oh, wow. And the main compound in that of the active ingredient in that was dextramothorfen. Well, not active, but whatever, an ingredient in there. And I guess it was used as an expectorant to keep your coughs down or whatever. Yeah.

But if you drank enough of it, you'd get really high, but it's classified it's a dissociative. Is that like cough syrup? Yeah, cough syrup. Yeah, Robitussin cough syrup. DM, though. Yeah, but like, is that like drinking codeine? No, not at all.

People think it is like... This is our resident drug expert here. Hey, be careful. That's what I'm talking about. You really are, though, dude. No, I... No, we're all the same way. When you talk about creative,

nobody ever talks about it in a positive manner. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I just drank some. New brew. Try it now. What is it? New brew. It's a euphoric seltzer. Oh, wow. That's my friend's company, but it's like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, because there's like feel free. I remember mentioning feel free on Joe Rogan

and they used that clip like over and over again. I was like, well, are you going to send me any free product? Because that's, you know, that'd be nice. But now they do it. Now I have just stacks and stacks of it. So what's the effect? Like, if I'm taking one of these, drinking it, what's the, like, subtle effect it'll have? It makes you like a little bit lighter and stronger. And no, just kidding. It's better looking. Slightly better looking. My jawline suddenly starts to come in.

Yeah. And you look slightly better in shirts. Yeah. But only slightly better, like 2%. No, it's, well, with these, like, the original was kind of like the popular one was feel free. And that was like just raw cratum and Kava. And they mix it to you.

And Kava's anti-anxiety, very mellowing. You know, they use it in Pacific Islands and they're ritualistically. And then cratim. That's good for me. Yeah. Yeah, Kava is really nice. Like people, if they want to chill out Kava, great. They have Kava bars around town.

You can go there. But Kratum is a euphoric. So I think the leaf grows in primarily Indonesia and places like that. Yeah, it's a euphoric. So the blend of Kava and Kratom, because people love just doing Kratom by itself, I find it to be, I think Thundercat turned me on the K shots once, which was pure cratum shots. Okay. Really intense. And I'm and he was like doing one every 20 minutes. I was like, how are you doing this? Because I tried one. Because I'm Thundercat. Because I'm Thundercat and I'm indestructible.

Yeah. But, uh, but he's actually changed a lot since the death of his friend. But like he at that time, he was just going hard. Right. And I was like, oh, let me try it. And I tried it. And it made me feel amazing. I was like, holy crap. Okay, this is my new shit. Then I went to a smoke shop, got a case of or a little whatever pack of K shots, tried one the next day. Oh, yeah, it made me feel good again. And then I tried like he did, like one, like a half an hour later. And then I just got the worst headache ever got. And then after that, I was like, I don't like the way that makes me feel it all.

So I never did it again. And then Feel Free came along. I think I saw an ad on Instagram, which I tried to never respond to those. But I do. That sucks. I hate it. It sucks. I'm an Instagram shopper.

Surveillance capitalism, guys. Surveillance capitalism. It's capitalism. And they get me every time. Doesn't matter what I'm into. They're like, here's a product that's about to come out. This is something you're about to love. Oh, my God.

In my shop, it integrates to Shopify. Of course. Click, click. Yeah, I know. Shows up four days later or sometimes four weeks later. Yeah. And two clicks is all ticks. One out of every four, you're like, you know what?

The packaging's good. It's a cool product. The others is junk. Yes. You're like, what did I just buy? I, yeah. I've learned my lessons about buying, like, junk. I still buy stuff.

Yeah, I've been trying to curb it, man. I buy way too much shit. Somehow I tell myself it's like research and development. That's what I'm telling myself too. For my own, like, ideas. So glad someone else has the same problem. It's a process. Oh, God, it's like how many like, well, this flashlight has better lumens.

And it's like, oh. Oh, and they're using a different battery chemistry. Well, I got to get that. It is. A good flashlight is. It's like, well, it's a good flashlight's everything. I mean, I got mine, you know. Dude, good flashlights are.

That's a great flashlight. This is like a surefire, man. It's flush with your pocket. Yeah, it's flat and it's tactical. You know, it's like holes in your hand. You got the tail switch. Yeah, and nighttime if someone tried to rob you, you can blind them. Blind them.

Or if you had to punch somebody, you've got something inside your hand for, yeah. No, I think the same way as you. Automatic. Oh, I have two flashlights. Oh, my God. That's insane. You know what? I'm going to gift you one of these.

Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, it must be why I have to them on me. Yeah. This is great. Yeah. This is a great flashlight.

So you cycle through like the first button is like that's low, you know, whatever. It cycles through all the high ones. And then the back one goes all the way to a thousand lumens. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. It changes brightness. Yeah.

This is great. It's got great little charge you right here. You just charge it. Yeah. It's unfortunately it's a micro USB. That's fine. I always hate this. We always have those.

What year is this? This is great. Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah. I appreciate this. I'm glad this the first time I got to.

gift something and it was like cool I have like an extra one that's weird I was not planning on that very nice it's like no give it back man no I because I need both now I'm gonna find a gift for you now oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh there's a uh parachute it's like I just travel with it and one day I use it no um what we're talking about we were talking about uh oh yeah yeah oh no that was it so we got off track on the Instagram shopping because because of the um The K shots. Our problem. Oh yeah, so K shots.

So yeah. So then I was like, I'm off of these, but then like on Instagram it advertised feel free. And I was like, what the fuck is this shit? Whatever. And then I looked it up and I was like, oh, that's cool, euphoric, blah, blah, blah. I didn't really read the ingredients.

And then I got a box of it, tried one, and I felt incredible. Wow. I was like, what is happening right now? And so it's the mixture of the kava, which is mellowing, but then you have this euphoric feeling inside of the calmness. So I noticed that one of the most effective or one of the most useful ways to use is like a social, like let's see you have to go to like a party or whatever like a music event or something. There's going to be people talking. I take one of those before I go in and I am like, you're good. Oh, is that interesting? Oh, this way, you know that I worked on that as well. Hey, Sharon, Kim over here. Did you know that he worked on this project? That's really cool. You know, I've always been interested. Like I just turn into the most amazing social fluid person. Yeah.

To be socially fluid is a real thing that I don't think anyone actually talks about enough on either side of the coin. To be socially awkward is not a good experience. I'm socially awkward at times if I don't ramp myself up to be the social person that I need to be. Especially in a room where I should be social because I know these people. And like they like me. And then in a room of new people, I should go into a room of. of new people and like try to connect.

Yes. With people in a positive way. Yeah. I think that's actually like a good skill to have. And beyond that, I'm raising these two human beings that are watching me interact with the world. Right. And I want them to have the freedom to be social if they want and not be raised by someone who's closed up and not open to experience ideas.

culture, all the things. So I do believe that, like, I've got to work on myself. And so if for the only reason was because there's two humans coming behind me, just watching me, interact with the world. And I want them to form a view of the world and feel like they can be anything they want. They can have any view they want. And they're not being raised by a rigid person who's just like, this is the way I am. This is the way it is.

People suck and this. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Certainly there's going to be rooms we go into and they're not as good at time as the other room. Sure. And that's our experience of it. And I try to be careful how I describe my experience to my kids because I don't want them to form a judgment on anything, really. You have to prejudge.

Yeah. You know, like before you even walk into the room. Because they might go and love it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because you never know. I mean, yeah. And I think that there's something about like, it's also just keeping things in perspective. Like, obviously some people are like, I get so much anxiety.

walking into a room and and I understand it. And I'm usually the person, I will say, I'm usually the person that can kind of ease a room a little bit. Like I was on a phone call today with, I'm hosting a JPL event at this Alex theater where it's called Blended Worlds is the theme or whatever. And I love science like very, very much and art, obviously. And I've always believed that they're so synergistic. I agree.

Together. I mean, look what we're using. But yeah. So I was on this. phone call and they kept me on like a long time and then I was like this is kind of going on. I was having a good time, but I was like, surely they have to like check on a spacecraft at some point. Right. You have to check in on some telemetry or so. Anyways, but like the guy was like, man, thanks for this call. I haven't laughed like this in a few months. And I was like, oh, right. Yeah.

Like these guys are like in charge of mission programs, you know, and and they're kind of side things. is like kind of donating some other time to make this thing happen. And you know, and I visited JPL the other day. And they love, they love the opportunity to like be social and free and laugh and things like that because it's just not really in the culture in science. And also, I will say, I like making other people

feel comfortable. Yeah. Because I was the guy that in high school, like if I saw the, you know, the weirdo kind of like long-haired over his eyes, kid like scribbling something in the corner of the room, and no one's talking to them. I was always the guy that was like, hey, what are you working on? You know, or we were in the lunchroom and someone was sitting by themselves.

I'd be like, hey, come on over and hang out with us. Because those are usually the most interesting people. So oftentimes if you just give a little bit of energy to someone who's being awkward, or they could just be, they could just suck. But you're just like, you start talking and you're like, hey, I'm going to, you know, and they're just like, oh, I don't know about that. That's an interesting viewpoint. Okay, I think I'd find my exit.

But I think like giving everybody a chance and giving a situation a chance, that's something for kids to know about because as a kid, thankfully, I had bubbly enough parents. My mom was like kind of boisterous enough that she was my example of like, I'm gonna tell you what I feel like in this moment. And I wasn't as hardcore as she was,

but I did a social version of that. Right. Where I'm like, hey, I'm here, what's going on? You think that was the big influence? Yeah, my, My mom, my dad, I think I got it maybe genetically from my dad because my mother would describe him as like a charming guy. What was the life of the party was a great dancer and just kind of like lightened the mood everywhere he went. But he was a two-time Vietnam vet.

And when he moved to, so in Europe, he was like on fire. And when he met my mom, because she's French, met her, met her in France. He was on fire. moved to Great Falls, Montana when I was four and a half, 1976. They were you born in Europe? I was born in Stuttgart, yeah. Oh, wow.

Yeah. And then you moved to Montana. You moved to Montana. Yeah, we were born in Stuttgart, and then we were stationed in Spain for a while. Okay, so it was military? Military, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Yeah, and yeah, there was an Air Force base. So my dad was in the Army, I think, in Vietnam, and then switched to Air Force. And then was stationed at, I think, Romstein Air Force Base in Germany and then we went to Spain and there was another base in Spain outside of Madrid somewhere. And then we moved to Malvest from Air Force Base. But we didn't live on base. We bought a house outside of it. But, you know, once he moved there, though, his health started to, he had heart problems. Plus he was a vet. He was in a place where he was like, you know, a black man in a 98% white town. Super white. And he grew up in the

Midwest, you know, Cleveland and the black community. Even though like in Europe, he was hanging out mostly white existence as well, but their view of race was very different over there. Yeah. And so like he was, he felt very free and open. I think that's why he was a little bit more on fire there, or even when he was stationed, you know, at places like he was kind of a bubbly guy. So yeah, but then like mixed the, the health stuff.

And then plus him like sitting in the dark, you know, I'd catch him, I'd go to the bathroom as a kid and he'd be, the lights were all out and he'd be in a chair just staring. And I'm like that's his way of trying to deal with the things that he saw in war. PTSD. And you know, and so you mix health with PTSD in a culture that's not, doesn't really ring close to you at all. Yeah.

And like that's a recipe for like shutting down, shutting down, shutting down. It's interesting because I, I understand the European culture because I've done so much traveling there. Yeah. Where it's different. It's not constricted. No. And there's no, you're not defined, right?

Like there's a, there's an openness to it that's like, like a fluid. There's a fluidness to and like an openness to the mixing of all the cultures in Europe and all the people in Europe. And then obviously in America, you go somewhere like Montana, beautiful place. Of course. Culturally, though, it is predominantly white. And at the time, you know, when they moved there was at the late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. You know, I could see how that would be like just a complete environmental change and how it almost shut someone down.

Yeah, especially, yeah, and then you add those other factors, you know, my mom did an okay job mixing in with stuff. I mean, he wasn't like, it wasn't all of the sudden, but you could tell there was like a curve. Right. You know, where I could tell like he was cool for the first few years. And then when I became like a teenager, I started like really seeing it. Well, it's just like contradicting him a lot. We started like rubbing up against each other. As you do.

And that's why my mom was like, well, you know, I wrote a book last October. It's all about Great Falls, Montana. It's called Great Falls Montana. And it's just about mostly about that. It goes into Seattle and New York a little bit, but it's mostly about coming of age in Montana. You know, I just talk about my dad. He had to leave. My mom was like, you got to go.

Things are probably going to get bad if you stick around. Right. So you're going to have to go. And then he moved back. Like as soon as I graduated, he moved back in. It was really crazy. I mean, I would still visit him in the summers. Like, he's from Cleveland, Ohio.

So did he move back there? Yeah, he moved back there. Kind of to take care of his mom. It actually, timing-wise, it worked out okay. And also, I was just happy to have not such a rigid authoritarian. Not that he was completely authoritarian, but came from that, you know. And I was just glad to have a little bit more leeway to be able to be who I was and experiment with who I was.

And so I appreciated that. but at the same time, I totally have sympathy for my dad and what he was going through. He never got to talk about any of that shit with anybody. I mean, maybe some of his war buddies. Yeah. Maybe, but not even then. I don't know.

That's a tough thing. It's tough, man. It's like a time in that generation didn't have the opportunities that we have to talk to people. Whether it's a therapist or someone just that we meet, it's a different time. Like people, are talking, like, especially men, like, we talk now. Yeah, you know, we, we talk about, we talk about,

you know, like, it's just a different time. My dad was raised by a World War II vet, major PTSD, lots of trauma, and I thought it was interesting, like, his dad wouldn't let him go to Vietnam, and because he knew. And they had a very unhealthy relationship, and his, his dad suffered from all the trauma of war. Yes. But had the like love for his son that he was like, I already gave that part of my soul to that thing. Yeah.

I'm not letting you. And my dad still kind of suffered from all the trauma. It's generational. It's passed down. And then I had a very, very complicated relationship with my dad. He was gone for a big part of my life. We reconnected. And I had done enough work that I could have a relationship with.

him, it was a good relationship. I mean, we had a friendship and we did a lot of healing at the same time probably would have needed another couple decades to like actually get deeper. Yeah. The way I am with like my wife or my kids or my brothers or my friends. Like my relationships can go a lot deeper than they used to because of the work I did. Um, which takes decades of work. It takes like all kinds of stuff. We're all finding our tools, right? Right. Some people, it's therapy and mushrooms and this and some people that's working out and this and that but everybody in this it seems this day and age we're all conscious of like personal growth for the most part i think i think so and like we're doing things with an aim that's kind of upwards yeah i think so i i will say that that's kind of

something that i learned from the younger generations too that i'm glad you know like some of my gen z friends or whatever like you know people like everyone makes fun of every generation for like the stereotypes and stuff like that but i will say gen z makes me really hope that's i'm really hopeful You know, they, you know, as much as people say like, oh, they've got like, they're always talking about trauma and they're, you know, they're like depressed and there's like anxiety and stuff. It's like, yeah, well, there are reasons for that. Yeah. Culturally. Yeah. And they don't know where the fuck they're going. Like, where is any of the shit going? So they have like that vibe. And then they're like, well, I can't make as much money as humans in the United States used to make, you know, before and now I got to figure that out. And do I want to go into debt? Do I want to go to school? Because it's going to give me debt. So there's a lot of. of that stuff, but I will say they're more emotionally available. They're a little bit more emotionally raw. And it's sincere. It doesn't sound like an excuse. Right. You know, because some people will like complain. I've heard like older people complain like, well, you're just using that as an excuse. It's like, no, that shit's real. And also just believe someone when they say that at first.

Would you say you're an anarchist? I don't think I'm an anarchist. I don't think I'm an anarchist. I definitely have anarchist vibes to me. You have a very like punk vibe. Yeah. Like what I would say, the true ethos of like, like when I grew up in punk and I, my real friend, my friends that were really like punk purists in the good way. I'm not saying like, oh, your spikes aren't long enough or your clothes aren't right. But they were like, they really digested the messages of certain bands and they like really like were living some ethos that like they believed in.

You hit me the same way a lot of my friends who were like, they liked music for a different reason. It wasn't, some of us just wanted to go and have a good time or, or, you know, get it out. Yeah. Like, they, like, were, like, they really, like, loved the, they were into the ethos of certain artists and, and I've all grown to, like, do interesting things in the world. And I think it's, it's a cool part of the integrity of the person that, like, that, why do they like the art? Well, you see that with certain people. They relate to art for certain reasons. And you strike me a little bit, like, from what I've seen and you're, like, what you put in the world. and then sitting with you, it hits me the same way.

Anarchist is an extreme word. No, but I get it. Almost like a real, a person who wants to live in the reality of now and see what's really going on versus people that want to just believe that. I pick that team or that team. Yeah. Right. And just like, yeah, and just go on about your day.

Because I don't think you have a team. No, I definitely do not have a team. I'd say if there was a team, that kid that I described in the back the room, that's the team I play for. Right. I play for. Free thinking. Yeah, like, I don't like people getting taken advantage of.

Yeah. You know, I don't like when someone's like, they're not at their full capacity yet, or they're growing or they need work on something. And then people are starting to pick on them. I'm just like, fuck you, man. You know, and maybe I get that from my mom, you know, being French. Yeah. They're very into egalitarianism.

Yeah. They're not, it's not a perfect society. But I do like that. It's pretty cool, though. I do like that spirit of just like, you don't fucking. and treat someone like that, we're all going to band together and we're going to fucking be loud about it, you know? And I just won't stand for it, you know, when people are being unfair. And when I know that there's a better way, it's like, you know better. You know what the fuck you're doing. It

really pisses me off. That's why when I read about billionaires and things like that, I'm like, what do you, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, what is it? You know better than that. You know better than that. Either that or your complete sociopaths. Which is the truth. Which is true. And everybody around them wants them to be that because they want to keep making that money. Yeah, they're all on the train. They're all on the train. But, you know, so I think for me it's like I'm a bit anti-imperialist.

I'm anti-capitalist. And then people will be like, well, yeah, but you were on the late-lade show and you made money. It's like, of course, I'm in a capitalistic system, of course. But I want to change the system. I know that we can do better. I know that we can do way better. And I'm, you know, I'm hoping that, I don't know, I just hope the younger generation just kind of bypasses what we're doing. because there's like all this shit's just not working i don't think you can fix capitalism i don't think

that that's going to work and and and i'm not a socialist i'm not a communist i'm not any of that shit i just want i think i think i think of myself more as like a kind of a compassionate humanistic and environmentalistic engineer yeah i like to solve problems and i like to have i like simplifying things i like encouraging people to solve their own problems you know and i think that the future is more distributed and more modular people able to take care of themselves modularly and not relying on large systems. And I think that that's going to be possible because these systems are too slow. They're not going to be fast enough to keep up with it, especially when younger generations

are just going to start getting hip to things and like loop fast. And like they're just going to start doing shit. Like the best way to change stuff is just start living life the way you want to live. Yeah. And start with yourself and like make sure you're okay. And then like, you know, go from there. And I think that there's going to be. a big movement of people like you're saying you're you know generation alpha or gen z how they're like

you know they're kind of antithetical to some of these like super networked you know my friends are using cannon power shots and they're like going with dumb phones and they're using wired headphones you know like there is a little bit of a backlash going on where people are tired of being part of surveillance capitalism and like not being able to pay rent and they've gone too far the way that things are structured now it's gone too far there's they can can't scale back because they're too addicted. So they're not going to change anything. They're not going to do anything for the right reason. And because they've gotten so far, people are waking up and they're like, holy shit, this really fucking sucks. And there's a lot of

energy starting to build up around that. So if a solution, and I'm definitely not for violence in any way. Yeah. I think you can outsmart people without being violent. I think you can change systems without violence. The old pin is mightier than the sword. Yeah. A hundred percent. It stands true. I mean, I think it can, I mean, we've seen shit change, not in the good way because capitalism always catches up, right? Like Uber and, you know, at first you're like, oh, that's such a, instead of taxi cabs, like, kind of owning the town and like setting their own prices, now there's a new thing that's like a little bit cheaper and it's easier because on your phone. And then, of course, it became hyper-capitalistic and then there have problems with that. But I don't know. I just, I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful that humans are inherent. We're all better than is represented.

I think if they gave aliens came down and they looked at our media, they'd be like, what the fuck you? What is this? What is this shit? Like, why are you so concerned about this shit? Everybody that's all stressed out and anxious, most of it is about bullshit that doesn't even concern them. I do think that artists, we don't get credit, but we always lead first.

I really do believe that, like, what I see in the music business, because I'm in it every day for 28 years. The democratization of and the like outsmarting of the system is happening faster and faster and artists become more and more and more independent and you see them building out lives of independence. It's happening more, not less. And I think that like it's almost like a model for the future in all these other categories that just haven't. Like I do think that it's going to continue to go that way. And I do think that there's going to be a, As much as we think there's been a shift towards independent, I think there's going to be an even bigger shift.

Like an avalanche. Like in 10 more years, we're going to see the old institutions continue to shrink and shrink and shrink. Even though they've found ways to get bigger by buying things. Sure. I think there's always going to be the independent, creative people coming up with solutions to do it because no one would let them in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's just you're more agile. You know, when you're like, you've got your own ideas. and you've got enough tools to do something. It's enough wiggle room to make some noise. It's always going to be faster. There's like companies can't catch up. And that's the one thing. Exactly what you're saying gives me hope

because I do believe that also like artists do lead the way in many ways, especially in thought and inspiration. And just reminding people of the nature of who we are, which is like we're creative problem solvers. We're community based. And also like fucking nature is the shit. And we got to stop fucking. fucking that shit up. And it's not soft. You know, it's no, oh, you're environmentalist. It's like,

you are the environment. Yeah. Like, we're creatures. We're not separate. I know it feels like it. It's like, oh, bug. You better get rid of that butt. You know, it's like, I don't want my surrounding sterile. It's like, I get it. I've had those feelings. But, but you step out in nature, you know, especially psychedelics, you know, you take like mushrooms and you're standing out in nature. You're like, holy shit. I'm like so interconnected to everything. And I think, I don't know, stoked about humanity in that way. I'm not a pessimist even though, you know, I don't trust corporations to ever do the right thing. But I think that you can just leapfrog them, just make them irrelevant. And that's my thing. Just render all that shit irrelevant and just do it on you,

do it your own way. And I don't know, that's excited to me. And art's fucking sick. And live concerts are dope and making your own merch is dope. And figuring out a way around things is a part of the DIY ethos. And I encourage that, you know, always. And, you know, artists like Charlie X, X, X, X, like, I have a great deal of respect, like someone who's being responsible, you know, who's being outwardly responsible. Because I always wondered that about, like, the Miley Cyrus's and the whatever, like, these huge artists, like, you know, respect in that their work ethic is strong and they're

like, they're doing a thing. But I'm like, what do you believe in? No fucking idea. I think there's a ton of artists who are like, against that produced system of like success and trying to find their own like I think it's integrity I don't know I think it's interesting like oh yeah chapel Rhone oh my god love her man I just I'm way late to the party but like she's dope I was like what the fuck is happening right now she's dope she isn't trying to do what everyone else is doing she's just she's just herself and think about it

in a time when everything when everything's been done what am I going to do well just be yourself what that means. Yep. Right? And I think that she's a great example of like that, of a girl, a young woman. Also, it's not easy to come up as a girl in the entertainment industry in pop music and in, you know, I see a girl like that. I couldn't be prouder.

You know, I would hope that like my daughter would have the same fierceness to her if she decided to do it. Yes. You know, but I think that like it's like try to go your own way, have integrity. And be kind. And be kind. She's kind. Yeah.

I think so. I think that's the thing that's missing and a lot of the stuff. It's like. And a little vulnerability of like, this is how I feel. Yeah. This is what I'm going through. If you could show everyone one thing that you've done that you feel not only proud of, but like you feel like expresses your point of view and what you want to express.

Like what would you have everyone like watch or listen to? I guess I would say, you know, I like, man, there's like so many things. On the late late show, I had this band, this fake band that I made. You know, like we wrote a song really quick and in the studio and then performed, it kind of improvised it live on TV and it was called, I called it Eternal Demise. And I really like the way that song turned out. Like it came together when we were playing it live on TV and it was, man, I really loved that. That song turned out great and I was very proud of that.

There's not a lot of things where I'm like, fuck, that's dope. You know, like, I have moments, right? You know, and I feel that. And I'm generally happy about something. Yeah. But I do have some things that I am 100% like that stuff, which is important. Because so I do have some framework of like I'm not like everything I do. I'm like, it's not good enough.

But oh, and I would say the ending of my comedy special. I mean, my girlfriend named the comedy special, never mind, which I was like so sick because it's such a rip, but it's also, it just works on multiple levels. It does. And the song at the end, that I finally. got to sing in front of a hardcore band, like, or at least not hardcore, but metal, um, performance. I wouldn't want to do that forever.

And, and then finding the name of the band, like last minute, Spore. I was like, that's, that's just perfectly fits what that, what it is. And the excitement and the energy of performing that felt like a milestone. Yeah. Like I got to do it. Yeah. And I will say that what I love about Veebs, which I know, I know this has nothing to do with VEPS, but, um, but this is on Veeps.

No, no, I know. I was just kidding. You actually would love Veeps as a company. That's what I'm saying. Like, what I'm saying? Like, what I'm saying? Like, what I'm saying? Like, what I'm saying? Like, what's it like? You know, what is it?

You know, what is it? You know, like, all my friends are like, what is Veeps? And it's like, what's this? But now they're starting to like roll with it. And I'm really excited about that because it's by artists. You know, it's like Fubu, whatever. It's like by artists for artists. The deal's really fair.

It's, it's totally in the artist favor. So it's for me, it's the my problem is like speed and I don't get to work with companies that are able to match the speed and then they don't believe me when I say, no, I can do things and I promise you the quality will be really high and they're like, yeah, well, we don't really get that. And then finally like, you know, Veeeps came along and I was like, okay, sure. And then like the whole process and it was Bart and I knew Bart for forever. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And it was just like scrappy fast easy accomplished everything i wanted to accomplish and it came out and people are stoked and so i you know i'm like that's every that's what that's what you dream

of as an artist you just want to be able to put your shit out and have people respond to it and then give you feedback so you're thinking about oh what's the next thing i want to do or what's the other thing i want to do or whatever thanks for doing your special oh man man i'm so excited i was so glad i'm I'm glad I finally got to do a special. Yeah. It was really awesome. Too many more. Yeah, I meant too many more.

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