Ask Dr. Drew - 1,200 Doctors Sign Demand For “Immediate Suspension” of mRNA Vaccine Products In “The Hope Accord” w/ Dr. Joseph Fraiman – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 382

Episode Date: July 21, 2024

“A growing body of evidence suggests that the widespread rollout of the novel Covid-19 mRNA vaccine products is contributing to an alarming rise in disability and excess deaths,” reads the opening of The Hope Accord, which calls for the immediate suspension of mRNA products. The document has been signed by over 41,000 supporters, including 1300 scientists and 1200 doctors like Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Prof. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Clare Craig, and Dr. Joseph Fraiman. “We ultimately seek a renewed commitment to the core principles of ethical medicine, returning to an era in which we strive for transparency, accountability and responsible decision-making throughout the spheres of medicine and public health.” Dr. Joseph Fraiman is an emergency medical physician from Louisiana. He is the former Medical Manager of Louisiana’s Urban Search Rescue Disaster Task Force 1. Follow him at https://x.com/JosephFraiman/ and find out more about The Hope Accord at https://thehopeaccord.org/ Steph Venn-Watson is a veterinary epidemiologist and public health scientist with over 40 patents and 70 peer-reviewed scientific publications. She previously served as an epidemiologist tracking diseases for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. Find out more about Fatty15 at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, thank you. Thank you for that introduction. That was very nice of you and um i appreciate it i i went when you first told me what you were looking at and that what you went after and i i literally was you were astonished i was astonished and the astonishment did not stop with your initial observations so i i'm wondering and by the way if you want to follow dr frame and let me give you the particulars on x and whatnot uh joseph freiman initial observations. So I'm wondering, and by the way, if you want to follow Dr. Freeman, let me give you the particulars on X and whatnot. Joseph Freeman, F-R-A-I-M-A-N on X, also the hopeaccord.org, which we're going to get into in a few minutes. But I wonder if you could sort of chronicle for me how this started for you, how you arrived at some of the conclusions you did,

and how you've evolved since we last spoke nearly a year ago. Well, I mean, my time period through COVID-19 started with, I'm an emergency physician and where I was in Louisiana, we had an early, we were very early with our COVID-19 surge. And then my hospital where I work, it's a rural hospital. And I see, you know, when anyone, anything goes wrong at night, I have to respond. I'm the only physician in the hospitals that I work in. And so when large numbers of people start dying, that's unusual. That's something that was, it was very noticeable. And when COVID-19 first broke in

the first surge and, you know, March into April, we were seeing, you know, probably three times, four times the number of cardiac arrests that we would be seeing in a normal month. And then it dropped back to normal and returned again with the following surges. And through that viewpoint, I, you know, was very on board with almost all of the aggressive measures that we were doing at that time that were encouraging all of the lockdown measures. And with time, my views developed as data was collected based on a lot of these various measures. And as they appeared to be clearly, they were clearly harmful. And I knew that, but we needed to stop COVID was my view

at the time. And I was willing to, you know, consider these potential measures up until I started realizing that the data didn't really support their efficacy. And I'm still actually shocked to this day about how ineffective many of our various measures were. And then when the COVID-19 vaccine came around, I was excited as everyone else. But that is sort of my area of research, understanding clinical interventions, evaluating in a harm-benefit analysis. And initially, I wasn't concerned about harms from the vaccine.

I was a bit more concerned initially that the efficacy may have been overestimated in the clinical trial for various reasons. And I tried to get those points out to the public and through various news agencies and realized that wasn't really possible at the time. There was no, even though the concerns were very reasonable. In fact, that was my concerns were actually pushed through various scientists up to the top chief of Biden's COVID response team, where I was in an email conversation with him regarding this. And he had told me my concerns, really, that he had his guys look into it, and the concerns were unwarranted. But he would not offer the data from the clinical trial. And at that moment,

I started becoming much more concerned that with this vaccine, eventually, only several months later, becoming very concerned now about the harms. And that was the moment in April 2021, when two studies came out that essentially confirmed that the spike protein within COVID-19 was toxic and that it was causing all of the things that we were seeing in the ER, in the ICUs that people with COVID were having. And it was heart attacks, strokes. They were causing weird stomach issues. There was weird blood clots in places that don't usually happen. And when we learned that the spike protein was harmful, that was highly concerning to me. Yet I was taken aback by the harms of the COVID vaccine that led to a reanalysis with a team of seven international scientists. by taking a list that was created by a group called the Brighton Collaboration, which is a

group endorsed by the World Health Organization that contains adverse events that were believed to potentially be caused by the vaccine, to look out for them, essentially. And when we looked at the COVID vaccine trials, we found that there was an increase in these serious adverse events at a rate of about 1 in 800 from these COVID vaccines, as seen in the original trials. And that has, you know, it caused some controversy, but I still, to this day, stand by our study that it identified that there's definitely a serious concern for serious harms from these vaccines. And that's sort of a real quick, rapid view of the last couple of years of my life. Yeah, I know. I'm aware of that, that you've been busy with this stuff and trying to practice

medicine. But let me ask a couple of questions about this. So one of the astonishing findings, in addition to the fact that you uncovered exactly the rate of serious adverse consequence that Pfizer, I believe it was the Pfizer study that had discovered as well, you somehow got a meeting with the FDA, which is sort of extraordinary. I'm curious how that happened. And then in the meeting, when you started raising issues about specific adverse events, there was sort of, no, no, no, don't worry about it. And as I recall, they said essentially, well, how do you determine if something is an adverse event for the vaccine or not?

And their response to you was essentially we got a guy we got a guy that checks it out so how did you get to the fda and is my memory correct about the guy yes your your memory about this guy who the fda has or he he seems to possess a magical power that he's able to investigate a serious adverse event and look at it over and just determine if that serious adverse event was caused by the vaccine. And, you know, we're very unlucky that this man wasn't around for Vioxx because he could probably tell the difference between a Vioxx heart attack and a regular heart attack. And he probably would have spotted that. So, you know, I actually don't know what the FDA will do when, if this guy leaves,

because I don't know if anyone else in the world possesses such a magical power, but yes, the world should know that the FDA has a man with that claimed ability that he's able to evaluate these adverse events and simply determine it, despite it being a randomized trial, where the only difference between the groups is the vaccine or the medical intervention. And the way that we've done medicine for a pretty long time is we say if there's a difference between the groups in a randomized trial, since the only difference between them is the medical intervention, we typically tie that adverse event to that medical intervention. And it's really difficult to say if a drug causes heart attacks, if that was a heart attack drug, the drug caused that

heart attack or it was just a regular one. It's sort of impossible. So that is something that was real. No, not sort of. Not sort of. It's actually impossible. It's impossible. I believe so.

I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. I don't know how he's doing it. I will at least say that. I have no idea how he's possibly doing that. But the way that we got the meeting with the FDA is our study. We had submitted it to, I believe at that point, four, maybe four journals. And none of them went to reviewers.

Each journal had said to us that they had many important articles that that month and you know and they can't accept everything and and each time we got this this response we were all really curious as to what the other articles that they were going to publish that was going to be of greater importance because this seemed really relevant at that moment in time that the vaccine appears to be causing an increase in serious adverse events that we didn't know about. But we were rejected by so many journals that we thought that we might be trying to publish this for a pretty long time. And so we figured that we needed theda to know about our findings because that would that's obviously the responsible thing to do for the government body that's responsible for

you know our drug regulation and when they they received our our uh you know this is a pre a pre-version of our final manuscript. But they met with us with seven of their top leaders to discuss it and to hear what we had to say. One of the physicians there was a rheumatologist who'd lost a seven or eight-year-old just a few days before, a few weeks before, and they had not yet responded to her. I will tell you, I had a 100-year-old that had a severe vaccine reaction. And when you sign up at VAERS, they tell you, oh, we're on it. We'll let you know if this is relevant. I guess he decided it wasn't a vaccine reaction, even though it was within an hour of an injection to this 100-year-old's arm with a

atrial arrhythmia that she'd never had before. So, okay, I guess it had nothing to do with it. And by the way, 100-year-olds, as you know, don't like to go to the ER or the hospital. So I had to manage her as an outpatient, which was a challenge, and she made it. But it was a life-threatening event. And nothing, nothing from VA there is nothing from anybody so what happened with that rheumatology uh case did anybody ever follow up on that i believe eventually he did get an email from them i i don't know the details of of how they ended up recording it or or if they did the guy think it had something to do with the vaccine oh i believe yeah no the physician the rheumatologist did believe that that this not the rheumatologist the mad the magical

man the magic man oh the i don't know if he i don't know if he investigated it i don't know i really don't know if he really so one of the one of the odd things about this now i know you've evolved further now we're going to get to the hope accord in a second but but one of the one of the odd things about this now i know you've evolved further now we're going to get into the hope accord in a second but but one of the sort of head-shaking aspects of this for me was started around last fall where i was in like you convinced that oh here we go uh oh yeah this was uh this was during the call this is what the rheumatologist said um there is something wrong with the reporting system but there does seem to be i can tell you if a hundred year old with a life-threatening event uh by the way i didn't see much else with

the elderly patients which is kind of interesting all my patients were vaxxed and boosted and not much and i think it benefited them during the alpha and delta phase when i was an enthusiast like you were but then things came around omron came around. The adverse events started accumulating. You and I talked. And one of the things I was thoroughly convinced of was the toxicity or the pathogenicity of the spike protein. And I could not understand why the extraordinary push for this one form of vaccine when there were whole viral options out there what did you have any sense of what what that was what's your theory i you know i when when when the data came in i understand that prior to april 2021 that there were people who had hypotheses that the spike protein was toxic.

I was unaware of them, but it was seemed to be confirmed in April 2021, about four or five months after the vaccine was released or on the emergency use. And my thought at the time was this is really bad luck because i initially you know i was very concerned about the the novelty of the platform and and but i the protein itself was never a concern but now we just created this vaccine that makes our bodies create a protein that we just learned is causing various different types of toxic effects in humans. And my initial reaction was, this is a disaster. And why the response of the government was,

essentially the CDC put on its website that to say the spike protein is toxic is a myth. Oh my God. That was on the CDC website for some time. And they said that it stays in your arm, which the vaccine stays in your arm, which to me as a, you know, unless you have something that is specifically built to do that, like a depot shot that typically lasts for months,

there's really not anything that you could inject into a muscle that just stays in the muscle. So I thought- Especially a lipid bilayer. It's designed to go everywhere. Yes. And lipids tend to travel through the body. And I was shocked that they were saying that this is not going to move around the body. And then the next thing that they would say about the spike protein was that the spike protein in the vaccine and the spike protein of the virus are different. Which is really silly because if they are, then your vaccine won't work at all. Because they need to be the same or we have a serious problem here. And for efficacy, we need it to work and if they're

different then how will it protect against the spike protein on the vaccine if you've given a different one so these were a lot of pretty silly um responses to it there was not there was no serious there was i didn't feel like there were really any serious responses to this concern uh so yeah i don't i i don't know what happened to this i don't know if you noticed dr redfield and some of his congressional um testimony recently said specifically we should hold the spike virus of vaccines and he's in favor of whole viral vaccines and i thought okay took you two years to say that but but it's a very reasonable position. And it seems to have kind of gone into the ethers without anybody grabbing onto it.

Yeah, I mean, I would say we would need a trial first, an FDA-approved trial, although I've lost confidence in our FDA's approval judgment, but I believe that we, for any sort of whole vaccine that we were attempting to push forward, I would want to see a trial that was designed to show that it reduced hospitalizations. But yeah, no, I think that would be a very reasonable type of vaccine to be looking into, for sure. And Covaxin's been out there hundreds of millions of hours, probably. But the other point you mentioned, I noticed you said hospitalizations. The endpoints on the original study from Pfizer were weird, as you pointed out to everybody.

They were cold-like symptoms. Red They were cold-like symptoms. Reducing cold-like symptoms. And that's nice. That sounds nice. I mean, if I was getting something for, if the vaccine was created for the rhinovirus and we were trying to prevent cold symptoms, I think that would be a very reasonable endpoint for the rhinovirus vaccine,

which I don't believe exists but if you're testing it for something that's supposed to prevent hospitalizations and death then you should have a study that shows it prevents hospitalizations and death not cold like symptoms and by the way they went out promoting the fact that they had something that prevented hospitalizations and death yet they did not which is, again, just the ethics of this is just so, I mean, what's your theory? What happened to us? What happened here?

Do you have a theory? You know, I think that there was a lot of- Panic, delusion, mass psychosis. I mean, I'm beginning to think that way. What is it? I think there was a lot of forces involved in this and uh i believe part of it was that we were there was some legit fear part of that fear i think was induced by our government officials but uh i think that you know when

there's companies that stand to make um billions and billions of dollars. And these companies tend to have a large amount of influence within these government bodies and within all of the public health departments of our country. And their influence is very great. Interesting. Wait, hey, could you repeat that? Could you repeat that? You're breaking up. This is the good part youtube uh scrambled us for a second there evidently we the uh it's a ccp so say it again

yeah no i i believe that a large part of what occurred here is there was a problem that our industries the pharmaceutical industry specifically stood to make billions of dollars, specifically $100 billion for Pfizer. And they have great influence over our government bodies. And they have a lot of control over our local public health departments. And I believe that they ended up using some of that influence to sort of guide our society towards accepting a vaccine with limited the trial data that we typically, I would hope, we would ask for more, we'd ask for better data. But they, I believe, had a huge influence on this in addition to the fear they played into

the fear that we that was widespread through our society deeply disappointing and uh on the scale of disgusting if indeed that is what we determined this whole thing was when the day is done um but it may well be so do you find it odd that there are all these uh political campaigns going on a republican convention nobody mentions covid or the excesses or what one team did versus the other team did or didn't do is it because both sides have a certain amount of guilt and culpability for how this went down yeah no i think that quite clearly this was not, while today sometimes is looked at as a right wing

and a left wing sort of position, I don't believe that in the time period that it was happening that it was a left wing or right wing position. The lockdowns occurred under President Trump. Many Republican states had pretty severe lockdowns. And so I don't think that this, you know, I would say I don't believe that any Democratic states were essentially lockdown free in the sentence that only really Florida was the only ones that really early on was pushing against these and raising concerns that keeping kids out of school was potentially harmful or that closing small businesses is potentially harmful. Really, this was mostly Florida. There may have been a handful of other Republican states that pushed

it, not nearly as strong, but many Republican states had severe lockdowns. And so I don't think that it's an issue that the Republicans can present as a thing that they own, that they were the ones who fought against destroying small businesses, that they were the ones who fought against destroying small businesses, that they were the ones who fought against closing schools. They did not as a group. Yeah, interesting. So Susan, you were asking that question, and I think Joseph has a pretty interesting response there.

So here's what I want to do. We're having a little bit of technical weirdness here, and I don't know if Caleb can solve that maybe during a little commercial break. But after the break, I want to get at i want to we're having a little bit of technical weirdness here and i don't know if caleb can solve that maybe during a little commercial break uh but after the break i want to get at the hope accord how you got to that point i i i worry um about throwing the baby out with the bath water um i am thoroughly convinced that the spike protein is the problem in fact we now know clearly that this the amount of spike and the mitem spike antibody is the problem. In fact, we now know clearly that the amount of spike and the mitome spike antibody is a predictor of long COVID.

If you have long COVID, you have persistent spike. And one of the ways to get persistent spike is put a little machine in your body that creates lots of spike, particularly after the second and third vaccine and booster. Vaccine is so-called for all of you that hate that uh and uh so i i i worry i i'm convinced on that but i worry that if we're going to condemn the technology there may be circumstances where it could have utilities such as in terminal illness or potentially terminal illness or things where it's worth the risk of having these lipoproteins

and pseudouridines and things flying around our body. Maybe it's worth that risk in certain settings, but certainly pausing this vaccine makes sense to me. So we'll talk about that. Joseph Freiman, you can follow him, Freiman, I beg your pardon, on X, F-R-A-I-M-A-N. I think you understand why I'm an enthusiast of him and his work just by listening to his story and history here and the work he has done. He has now not stopped. He has not dropped the crucible and is moving forward with something that this audience will like very, very much. Because I know the people that watch this show are mortified

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Bring us through that history. Yeah, so there's 12 physicians and scientists who we came together to write the Hope Accord. And we painstakingly, many hours we put into making sure this was carefully written. And it has five major points that we're asking people to sign on to. If you're a physician, a scientist, any health professional, or just any part of the concerned public, we're asking them to sign. And the five points, and we can go through each one. it's one, the first is that we want to pull the messenger COVID vaccines off the market. The second point is that we believe that we have to have a properly done re-evaluation of the safety and efficacy of these products.

The third point is we want to support the vaccine insured. The fourth point is we need a return to the ethical principles that we abandoned during the COVID era. And the fifth point is that we need a root cause analysis into how exactly we got into this mess. And I'm happy to go through all of these points. I believe that points two through five are pretty self-explanatory, and I'm happy to go through all of these points. I believe that points two through five are pretty self-explanatory, and I'm happy to go through them. But point one is the one that catches most people, that we want to pull this vaccine, the messenger RNA COVID vaccine product off of the market. And I'm more than happy to go into why I think that actually most people would agree with this, even people who are maybe hesitant to hear that at first.

But I do believe that the majority of the population would actually agree with this. And I'm confused at even why we have to create such an accord to ask for such a thing. you know i completely agree with you that yeah the the the idea and you it sort of strikes me when you say it that you know what's the root for which we abandon our basic ethical obligations and principles that is so clearly what happened and so again you know people on the restream and on the rumble rants are taking aim at me saying that oh you're always confused you're always astonished it's the money don't you know but you don't know you just how mind-blowing it is to watch professional peers that you've worked alongside of and admired suddenly engage in behavior that is reprehensible and inexplicable and and it just was it's still mind-blowing to me so so maybe my confusion and my astonishment

is sort of a defense against what probably would be rage i guess but uh the reality is we did do that and when do people push back on looking at the root cause? No, I've not heard anyone push back on looking at the root causes of what's gone wrong. I think that in general, no matter what your belief is on anything that's happened during the COVID response, I don't know anyone who's ever said, oh, I think what we did was great. We did a great job. We should do it exactly the same way if it happens again. I've never heard anyone say that. And still, we're having trouble pulling together an investigation to figure out what went wrong, what went right, if anything went right and uh but yeah no i

don't i have not really heard much opposition to it yet still it hasn't happened is the thing yeah yeah which is astonishing to me not not only not forget root cause just an acknowledgement of what was wrong and what was right just some although you're starting to see a little bit of testimony in the government halls that starts to make sense to me and seems honest and seems reasonable it's like okay you guys you you had lost your brain and you've got your brain back i was trying to think of how to communicate how amazing this is it'd be like if you were in a a an army troop or something and you were all doing the same thing,

trained the same way, going after the same goals. And all of a sudden everyone around you started doing a nonsensical behaviors that you couldn't understand. None of, and none of which you could make sense of. It was just such a, an extraordinary experience. And,

and I, if, if you were one of those people that lost your head, I'm sure certainly i in certain ways i did i tried to look at it very carefully you got you it's really important that you examine this and don't do that again yeah when i when i was the uh manager of the louisiana's disaster task force one after any disaster that we would respond to, we would have something that we called a hot wash, where we would all sit around in a room and discuss in that disaster response,

what we did correctly, what we did wrong, how can we improve for the next time. And that happens after every single disaster response. I know that that happens for every FEMA disaster team in the country. I presume something similar, they may have a different term for it in the military, something similar would happen. And the fact that as a country, we had a disaster that occurred. And even if things went well in a disaster response, we would have the hot wash to discuss how to do it better, what went wrong, what we could do better.

Here, this clearly went poorly and there's no really no one who thinks it went well in this response and we're still not allowing a conversation on how where things went wrong and that that is sort of a crazy thing that that we don't have that conversation yet. And let's be clear, it's not just disaster response in medicine where people examine what they did wrong or did right. There are morbidity and mortality reports. There are infection control meetings. I mean, that's how medicine is founded on looking at what we did right and wrong

and sort of beating each other up about it a little bit and examining it under the microscope and sharing ideas and learning from our mistakes if they were mistakes or from our our our proper choices i and it all went away is is there i guess it begs a really significant question is is something happening in our profession where the, the people are not able to maintain a commitment to their basic standards or has it become so fragmented? Like I've noticed so many young physicians aren't really trained in the hospital. I don't spend any time in the hospital to speak of compared to the amount of

time you and I spent in hospitals. Is that maybe having an effect where people are sort of drifting from the communal practices of medicine? You know what I'm saying? Is there anything like that happening, do you think? I believe that the inability to speak openly on these topics is probably the major reason for what's going on. And the fear that has ripped through know, physicians has been dramatic. I mean, even for this Hope Accord, we've heard from many physicians who want to sign it, but are

scared to. And that's still today in 2024. And so I... I get, I feel it. I feel that too. I get it. So I think, I think that when we create the environment that is preventing physicians from speaking openly, what we're witnessing as a society isn't the true position of our physician community. And I believe that these physicians who are, you know, there's the ones who are keeping quiet and they know something is wrong. And then there's a whole, probably a larger group of them who may not even realize it. But if they were able to hear the physicians

who do realize that something is wrong, that would maybe change their views. Instead, they're keeping earmuffs on and blinders because they know that if they even entertain some of these ideas it can perfect it can threaten them professionally and they all it's easier to not know than to even to learn about it and so once we when we create this in such a sense censorial environment that can just censor and and ruin careers seriously we're not going to get our physicians,

to be honest. I remember during the opioid thing when I was fighting against that mightily. And what I would hear from was Department of Mental Health, California Medical Association, the licensing bumqua, my hospital administration. I was sort administration i was not i was sort of an employee i was sort of administrative employee but but it didn't have the same i i it was a a nuisance it was threatening it was and it went on for a decade and and it was it was horrible to have people that respect you telling you you're a dinosaur you're only interested in people suffering and you know and meantime they were killing my patients just one after the other just to have people that respect you telling you you're a dinosaur, you're only interested in people suffering. And in the meantime, they were killing my patients just one after the other,

just murdered, negligent manslaughter. I'm sorry, that's what it was. And fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting. And then finally one day, oh, oh, it's the drug company's fault. Oh, we're overprescribing. Oh, oh, I was trained that way. I didn't know. Okay, yeah, well this this is the thing

that somebody does know why didn't you know why weren't you thinking what happened to your brain why can't you think independently and and i think all that is worse now maybe because we're employed more than not there were employees and we're fearful of losing our jobs and fearful of hearing from our employer and that and the and the actual maybe it's the authority of the physician to be able to be autonomous is what's underlying or what we're learning about uh that's you know such a deep threat if to to be an autonomous thinker no the opioid crisis i believe is a very similar type situation the the analogies are run across the whole thing. Oh, yeah.

But in the same way that if you spoke out against the opioid overprescribing at the time, you were considered this heinous human being who doesn't care about people. Yes, that's correct. And when actually you were speaking out because you cared about people. Yes. That's correct. don't care they're raising concerns because they do care and you guys you have a different opinion maybe in the interpretation of data however it is not a lack of um of ethics or a lack of care that is the is there and that's used because it's if you do not if you do not have a logical argument to to argue with with then it is much better to appeal to an emotional argument. And that is, I believe, why they're doing this for the COVID vaccines and why it happened during the opioid crisis.

Yes, the ad hominem attacks. The other thing you had with the opioid crisis, exact same thing. You had physicians that evangelized for heavy opiate prescribing so you had a group of pain medicine doctors that literally went around the country lecturing about how you have to the pain is what the patient says it is pain is the fifth vital sign patient uh determines what when pain is controlled your doctor doesn't you do and you know i mean these were evangelizing on the topic, not religious evangelists, evangelists for opiates. And they got control. The drug companies, of course, blew wind into those sales.

But those folks got control of the regulators. And once the regulators were involved, that's when it completely went off the chain. That's when it became recalcitrant. Yeah, I know. I would agree. And if I can bring it back here to the Hope Accord, because I do want to mention what the details of this mentions. And we want to pull the vaccines off the market. And for people who are considering signing this document, I want to be clear. If you've always

wanted to pull the vaccines off the market or you thought they never should have been approved. This is obvious. You are an obvious signer. However, there's a group of people who believe that the COVID vaccines were maybe approved. Their emergency use authorization was a good thing. There are people who see that there was a benefit of the COVID vaccines during a certain time period. But they also now can see that under the current situation, the vaccine is, the virus itself is not harming people at the same rate. They also can see that it's uncertain if the vaccine is even effective against this less harmful virus. They also have learned that this vaccine is definitely causing harm and maybe causing harms that we don't even yet have fully grasped, that we have not yet fully grasped. Now, under such a situation, a medical intervention with known harms, but unknown benefits,

it's confusing why our government is still recommending the messenger RNA vaccine to anyone and why they haven't pulled it off the market already. who saw that maybe there was a benefit of it. And they believed maybe it was a good idea, but they can see that today, clearly no one should be taking this anymore. There is not a group that we know of that benefits from this. We have no evidence to find that group. They might exist. I don't know.

I'd be surprised if we can find them with well-done trials, but we won't find them unless these products are pulled off the market and then evaluated in real clinical trials that evaluate them for a hospitalization benefit, an all-cause hospitalization benefit, given we know that they are causing serious harms.

And so we need to know that it's taking people out of the hospital more than it's putting them in there. And so we need to know that it's taking people out of the hospital more than it's putting them in there. And without that, we're driving blind. And we don't do that in the medical industry. We don't recommend everyone six months and up take a drug, a medical intervention that we're like, maybe it works. It definitely hurts you. That would be crazy. And we typically do not do such a thing. Now, so I believe that actually the majority of the medical community, and also I can see that the population at whole kind of already agrees with this because nobody's taking this

anymore, except for maybe less than about 10%, maybe less than 10% of people are taking boosters today. So why are we still, why are we still recommending this? I would be very happy. I had this, I had this conversation, by the way, you're not talking about getting mRNA vaccines in total off the market,

just this vaccine with the hope accord. No, no, this is specific to the COVID messenger this vaccine with the hope accord no no this is specific to the covid messenger rna vaccine product the hope accord is specific to that i would i would ask you know personally i would say that any any novel product should just be set to rigorous clinical trials that that show a clinical outcome that's important then that the benefits outweigh the harms and that would be true signing it now i am signed okay i'm with you i'm in your team and a lot of it is because of you because uh i admire your persistence i admire your clarity i admire the work you've done

and um i trust that your instinct is correct on this. And this is the right thing to do. Even though it's a little bit confusing to me, I'm not sure I would have gone all the way here on my own, but I am there with you. So you can count on me. There's that. We appreciate that. Yeah, we appreciate that.

I am signed. For those of you that like to be critical of me on the restreams and the Rumble Rants, I am signed. Okay, guys? The other thing is somebody's calling me Pax Levid Drew. I was going to say that it's odd. I had this conversation with a patient this morning who was ruminating whether he should get the vaccine.

I said, you know, we had an outbreak here, a nasty one. And I've had people seemingly impact on transmission through nasal lavage with saline and with betadine. Seems like that's helping reduce transmission. And it's a lot of high fever and prostration with this particular outbreak. And Paxlovid works in 12 hours. In 12 hours, they are not just better, well. So why would we need a vaccine for something that has a very effective treatment available? Why would we even be thinking about that?

Let's do the preventions. There's not any harm done. And let's treat it if you want, if it's getting bad. That's it. There you go. Is there more? Am I missing something well personally i i have not seen i have not admitted a patient to the hospital for covid19 since february of 2022

with a covid19 syndrome i have admitted many people who happened to have covid19 they were unaware of and they were admitted for something else but i. But I'm not saying that no one's being admitted to the hospital for COVID-19, but it has become an incredibly rare event. My personal experience as an emergency physician is actually predictive in many ways of what's happening in this country, and that when we were seeing COVID cases rise, hospitalizations rise, deaths rise, I saw that. I saw those happening, but not since February, 2022. I've seen cases come and go since February, 2022, but I have not been seeing serious cases. So I have no idea if

the vaccine even can prevent those ultra rare cases that do need hospitalization. I'm actually uncertain if it does. So I think that there are various interventions and that are quite safe, as you point to. I'm a little bit more hesitant with Paxlovid due to the interactions that are so common within the group that typically needs it. But so many various interventions. So they stop their atorvastat and they stop their cardism for a couple days. Who cares? No big deal.

They've been at it for 20 years. Four days off. Could it make a difference? No. Fair. Fair. The thing that people usually turn it down for me for is they when i tell them about the bounce back they say why would that sounds like a terrible well yeah so so yeah well

if they're having mild illness you don't want to put your risk for the about bounce back but seen in the in the last two months and i saw lots of bounce back a year ago and two years ago and it was nasty a bad cough that persisted people did not like it at all but I've seen none of it I've used quite a bit lately no bounce back and actually in this particular variant no cough nobody had a cough everybody said fever and uh like a flu syndrome I've noted that too that it has been relatively few few having a problem with cough i agree that's what i've been noticing as well yeah now well listen thank you uh i think you just bring up the covid and one other thing if anyone who's listening who disagrees on the withdrawal a

physician or a scientist who disagrees with me on that we should be withdrawing this vaccine i i would very much like to hear your point of view on why you think this product should stay on the market. I would be happy. I'm sure Dr. Drew would have us on here to have a discussion and you could push your point. And I would love to have that discussion because I honestly cannot think of a reason why we should be keeping this product on the market.

And if I am not thinking of something that you can explain to me, I'm willing to change my point of view. But I really am confused here. And I'm sure that a lot of other people are confused. And those people are going to be signing the Hope Accord. Because if there is a reason that we should keep this on the market,

then please, please let us know. Please let us know, because I am unaware of it. I completely agree. I completely agree. It's got to be in the throwing the baby out of the bathwater sort of zone. But for this particular product, I don't get it. I don't see it.

R.S. Lewis, and I hope you'll come back again soon as things evolve. And if we get that debate together, I would love to do that as well. And hope to see you soon. Maybe we go down to the South once in a while. Maybe we'll actually get a chance to meet you in person. Oh, that would be great.

I'd love to see if you're down here in New Orleans. You bet. Thanks. Thank you so much. Bye. Dr. Joseph Freiman, Joseph Freiman on X. Now we are going to switch gears. Let me get my stuff up here so i can make sure

that i give all the proper links uh this is really an interesting topic which i'm going to bring you in a mere moments the biochemist veterinarian who brought us fatty a product that i use and i make my whole family use and we are delighted to be including in our family uh of products that we support here uh her name is stephanie then we can follow at meat fatty 15 the meat is m-e-e-t fatty 15 uh and also dr.com slash fatty 15 uh let's see if there's other places. She suggests Seraphine Therapeutics as well, S-E-R-A-P-H-I-N, Seraphina Therapeutics, I beg your pardon,.com, and discoverc15.com and fatty15.com. Please welcome Stephanie Van Watson. Stephanie, welcome. Hi, Dr. Drew. Wonderful being here.

It's great to have you. So if you wouldn't mind, tell people the story that led to this discovery, and then we'll talk about the benefits once you've sort of given us your own personal saga. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll start with the end, which is what we just published in the journal Metabolites a couple of weeks ago, which is that we have found the first nutritional deficiency syndrome to be discovered in 75 years. And it's caused by deficiencies in an odd chain saturated fat called C15 or pentadecanoic acid. And all the discovery of C15, its importance came from unexpectedly work with Navy dolphins in which I, as a veterinarian, was working with the Navy dolphins. They get a lot older than they get in the wild. In the wild, they live to 20. At the Navy, they live 40 to 50 years

old. We were seeing that some dolphins, but not all, were getting chronic conditions like chronic inflammation and high cholesterol, fatty liver disease, even the full suite of changes consistent with Alzheimer's. So what we were able to do is we use this advanced technology called metabolomics. And we were able to look at we use this advanced technology called metabolomics. And we were able to look at study thousands of small molecules present in the dolphin's blood as well as in their fish, all fish diet. And we expected it to be omega-3. To be honest, we thought omega-3 would predict the healthiest aging dolphins. And instead, it wasn't omega-3s.

It was this C15 fatty acid. So we moved C15 into the lab. We did spend three years doing eight studies and that resulted in a paper we published in Scientific Reports in 2020 in which we showed that C15 met the rare criteria of being the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in over 90 years since omega-3. So we have been working with C15 since then, helping to find ways to bring it back to the world. It's helping to solve the question of nutritional deficiencies of why did we see before COVID, right? Why did we see an increase in type two diabetes, heart disease, fatty liver disease, and different types of cancers in younger and younger people starting around, you know, in the 2000s that continued past COVID continues today

to where even our lifespans are decreasing. There was a new way that our cells were dying called ferroptosis that was discovered by Columbia University scientists, and nobody could figure out what was causing this new form of cell death that was accelerating our aging. nutritional deficiencies now present in as many as one in three people may in fact be the cause of this new form of cell death that's accelerating our aging and leading to this onset. The upside of it, right, is that nutritional deficiencies like C15 and scurvy and vitamin D and rickets is that this is something we can fix. So super excited to be talking about that today. this is this is a big deal and i want to talk a little more about the cellular fragility syndrome and how and i want to get nerd out a little bit on the science i know people their eyes glaze over when you get too into that but i want to make sure we just put the basic structures out there about the lipid peroxidase and ferroptosis and how that works. But before we do, what was I going to ask?

I hope I'm going to take my fatty so I can improve my aging memory issues. I was going to ask why, you know, it takes a minute, but it comes. I was going to ask, why are we so deficient in C-19? C-15, rather. Yeah, it's a great question, Dr. Drew. So, for the dolphins, the dolphins became deficient in C-15 because there was less C-15 in the fish that they were eating. For us, our primary source of C-15 is whole dairy fat. So, 1977, Congress made a very strange move, which was to release dietary recommendations for all of us, in which they encouraged us to stop, reduce our intake of all saturated fats. The best way to do that was to reduce our intake of the bad saturated fats called C16 and C18, we also lost this essential odd chain saturated fatty acid C15.

So our levels have been precipitously declining over the last, really the last 20 to 30 years. And so it becomes, it should be part of our routine healthcare to maintain our levels of C15. And do you have any specific data you can talk about on reversals of any disease processes or any research underway that way? Absolutely. So, you know, for the first part was association that when we saw in the dolphins, dolphins with higher C15 had a lower risk of developing a syndrome, which involved metabolism, humans for us, just exactly as you said. So that there are now meta-analyses, so studies of very large prospective cohort studies showing the same thing. People who have lower levels of C15 have a higher risk of not only having but developing type 2 diabetes, heart disease, fatty liver disease, and certain types of cancers. What we've been able to show beyond the association over with 10 years of research is we and others around the world

have been able to show how C50 works, how it actively helps to repair cells, how it effectively restores insulin sensitivity and decreases inflammation, all of these components. And wonderfully, it all starts from really the integrity and the health of our cell and everything else flows after that, which is what an essential fatty acid should do. You were talking about the lipid membrane, bilayer membrane. That's what the whole job of our cell membrane is to protect and armor our cells against breakdown and attack. And if they become weak, they become fragile. C15's main job is really to keep our cells strong and resistant against attack. Uh-oh. One second.

You know, I'm going to speculate on it. What's that, Caleb? Sorry, you froze for a second. I thought you were just sitting very still. I froze or you froze? No, no, just you. She was great. We were trying to hear her.

We can't hear what she's saying very well. Does Stephanie need to repeat what she said? Oh, no, no. Everything she said was fine. I was listening in the other room. Okay, good. It's just an issue on your internet side. We apologize.

We're having ghosts over here. Yeah. But I want to ask a question. I'm going to ask you to speculate and not responsibly. It's just sort of an interesting question. One of the organelles that is becoming really significant in our understanding of aging and maintaining our mass, for instance, is, of course, the mitochondria. And mitochondria have lipid bilayer membranes that get old and get screwed up too.

Is that part of the lipid peroxidation cycle that we're interrupting with fatty 15? Do we know that yet? Or we hope to find that? Or where does that stand? No, you're right. You're spot on. So we know that on the disease side, that if we don't have enough C15, then our cells become fragile. This generates lipid peroxidation that then combines with iron that may be present in the cell that creates reactive oxygen species that then go and attack our mitochondria. Exactly what you're saying, Dr. Drew. So it attacks the mitochondria, takes it out, and that kills ourself. So it's critical to keep our mitochondria healthy. So C15 deficiencies actually lead to mitochondrial death is what we published in the most recent paper. Importantly, putting C15

back into the system, we were able to show repairs of mitochondrial function. And so it helps bring our, allows our mitochondria to stay healthy, generate the energy it needs to generate and do its job. And I guess what I was asking was, so it's a secondary phenomenon that the mitochondrial membrane gets hit. Are there any primary deteriorations of mitochondrial membrane? We don't know that yet. We don't know yet. It's a great question because if it's happening around the outside of the cell, chances are exactly what you're getting to, it's happening. That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah. And the other thing I'm speculating about, this again, me being irresponsible because the science isn't up to it yet though, but I'm going to just throw it out there, which is a lot of stuff I was reading recently about mitochondrial health and sarcopenia, which is one of the major problems with aging is we lose our skeletal muscle mass. And so it's just another reason to emphasize mitochondrial health, that if they are being destroyed, the lipid membranes are secondarily through feroptosis. It's a big deal, not just in terms of disease process, overall health, but this thing that we're all trying to prevent as we age,

which is sarcopenia, which has a major impact, not just on our metabolism and our safety so we don't fall, but literally on our well-being as we age. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And what's important is looking at things like C15, it helps with not just the mitochondria, but it helps everything that comes around. When mitochondria stop working, they'll actually turn on a suicide function. So they'll actually create reactive oxygen species

and take out the cell if they aren't working properly. Right. So they'll actually create reactive oxygen species and take out the cell if they aren't working properly. So the importance of keeping those mitochondria working and having something because then that triggers inflammation, what we call inflammation. C15 has been shown, you know, it's a pleiotropic molecule. So it does a lot of different things showing that it decreases over 18 different pro-inflammatory cytokines, including all of those that get involved when you get these angry cells, especially at the muscle level, that then start leading to sarcopenia. Where can people read about that if they want to learn more? Right. So Discover C15 is where all of the peer-reviewed science on C15 is, which is separate. So it's from research from throughout the world, and you can search it by topic of interest or mechanism of action.

There are a lot of studies. And with regard to Fatty15, then that's all on Fatty15.com is for the supplement. Somebody asked on the restream from Twitch, how do exosomes play into this mechanic? I want to know. Exosomal processor, is there? I can't think of, yeah, no. Yeah.

This is really cellular membrane health this is the really the real deal stuff are the health of our cells and i plan to stay on this the rest of my life i i i i become a maniac explain what are exosomes how which i mean well i always think of exosomes as uh uh like like the things we deliver the vaccine in is sort of an exosome. These lipid bilayers that deliver something is sort of an exosome in my way of thinking of it. I have a cream that's an exosome.

Am I getting that wrong, Stephanie? Do you know anything different than that? No, that's how I was taught it in vet school. Yeah, exo meaning outside. That's why I always think of it but but i i plan to stay in this product the rest of my life uh i and i become i was about to say i've become a maniac on oxidative health of the cell i i become a nut up job about it frankly i really think this is a this is the aging i i just think that the the these sorts of processes

are at the center of the aging process. And when people get all, you know, they want to live, that guy that's living, trying to live to 120 and he's dedicating his whole life to it. By the way, that's not living. I don't know what that is, but that's not life. That's turning yourself into a black experiment. But these oxidative, how should we frame it the oxidative health oxidative state of your cells is is the is to me the critical ingredient in a healthy aging very very simply put and you know nad has had a lot of a lot of uh enthusiasm lately and i think reasonably so

but pay attention to this go read about about this. This is, this is a big deal. Yeah, we have, you know, there's, it's so core lipid peroxidation and oxidative stress is so core to aging related breakdown that, and then our, right. Our cell membrane, because it has lipids in it, lipids are susceptible to attack by oxygen. And that's you know oxidation is the same as saying rancidity right everyone knows oil gets rancid this is a stable fat that is resistant against that peroxidation attack by oxygen and rancidity and in fact it explains right explains why in the um pacemaker theory of aging by A.J. Holbert, he showed that humans, long-lived mammals, humans, dolphins, and elephants have sturdier, stronger cell membranes with sturdy fatty acids compared to mice.

And that actually explains longevity, how nature enables longer living species to live longer is exactly this, strengthening the cell membrane, protecting against oxidation. And if we're missing it, we accelerate aging. And so that's where this deficiency syndrome, cellular fragility syndrome is so important because when you talk to pediatricians today, they are seeing patients in which the kids are getting diseases of their grandparents before the parents. So when you say, do you think they're accelerated aging?

They're absolutely nodding and saying that is exactly what's happening. These kids are aging faster than they should. So excited to have a one solution. Well, Stephanie, I've been swimming in Stephanie's waters for a while because I was so excited when I first heard about this like a dolphin yeah I was not really more like I was like this is easy I want to dolphins are cool too and uh a dolphin would be fine too but but uh it i just i'm so impressed with it i just

congratulations on all of it tell people once again where they should go if they want to get the product or learn more i guess it's caleb you can throw up our our link dr.com fatty 15 i think it is and uh there it is and um and tell them once again because i I really do want people to read the science because it's so impressive. Where would they go? Thanks. Go to discover c15.com. And again, that's where you can read all the literature.

It'll help put you to sleep at night. Cause it's got so much science. But also if you want to get some fatty, go to drdrew.com slash fatty15, and you'll get a discount. Oh, that's true. 15% off, and we're all taking it. We believe in it. Do you take – I know you can't.

Stephanie can't say this yet, but how much do you take every day? I take one a day. See, I take two. Oh, I'm supposed to take two? Well, you're supposed to take one, but I take two. Well, you're older than me. She means biologically. She doesn't mean, she means biologically, not chronologically.

No, I take that. I take a thousand of the NR and I take the fatty and I take a bunch of other stuff. I asked Stephanie for permission to go to two. I've never been a supplement person until this year. No, because there have not been things like this. This is a new era of these sorts of interventions. And I think people are catching on to it. Well, I think that my brain needs it more than yours. Perhaps. So we'll leave it at that before this goes sideways. Stephanie, I appreciate it. I hope you'll come back soon and

keep us posted. I believe you have a couple of studies coming out soon, right? We do. The science continues. So there'll be a clinical trial results coming out in another month or so, and then some topics about brain health soon thereafter. Excellent. We'll bring you back to report on that stephanie ray thank you so much dr true great to be here you bet so uh very interesting day a lot of good science presented uh dr freiman freiman to me is a cool guy he's he's he's he's like badacharya he's another you one of the things about this this whole experience is i i i found some heroes in the midst of all this for very different reasons badacharya really because he's just such an extraordinary human being

and that he was so unjustly criticized for trying to be helpful and he he walked through that with great dignity joseph because he's a great scientist and kept following his instincts and is uncovered quite a bit as a result now how many doctors take the time out to really do the investigation but why is the government not talking about this now like shouldn't we heard him say it i think he's right no i didn't because it was cracking up i get that you know that it's a touchy subject but that's that's the reason we should talk well i agree that what's it's happening in congress i i think the thing that that he said was during a campaign both sides have a lot to apologize for and you can't say those were the guys that he said was during a campaign, both sides have a lot to

apologize for. And you can't say those were the guys that did it. No, I know. But if somebody would just talk about it and go, listen, if I become president, I'm not going to let this kind of thing happen again. I'm not going to point the finger of who was wrong. There were mistakes made, but we want to protect our people people clearly but we just need to make the right choices and this is how i'm going to do it you know i completely agree we're not going to silence the doctors we're going to let you get your medical medical care you want your body your choice mandates are bullshit or whatever something yes i agree but we're the only ones to get it

maybe it's beating a gay husband along sorry it just it just drives me crazy that it's not being brought up

I agree with you I don't disagree with you and that's what I brought up with that we should send Biden some fatty 15 well I believe did you see the news Drew

that's an interesting Biden has COVID right now it was breaking during the show oh yeah but again yeah i heard he's taking paxlovid no i did i saw that on something i'm serious let's get him to take some fat and guess what he'll be fine i i believe that the picture of him remember remember how we used to walk up to the podium and take off that mask with great flair, that black mask? I think that will be, as history remembers those images, they will be seen as sinister.

It was a dark move. It was a dark impulse. It was not something healthy or useful or helpful to the American public. And we have images of it now. And so there you go. Molten salt. You're saying that the, are you saying? Oh, I thought he was talking about the price of Paxlovid.

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Yeah, you know, if you want to secure your IRA, check out that's one of our sponsors as well. It would have been a good choice when we started promoting Birch Gold because it was like at 1900 then. So it's a good, good thing. Caleb, you were trying to say something? Yeah, sorry.

Your connection keeps cutting out. So you're freezing. So they can hear your voice, but you do keep freezing. So we just need to get you a new Ethernet cable or something. It's so strange. Caleb, the ghost is here. And he wants me to see whoever's coming tomorrow. I'm going to watch Calling Out with Susan

Penske because we're going to have a show tomorrow at 3 p.m. and it seems like the ghost... He can't hear me, but the ghost is in our system, so we're going to sign out. Also, Jennifer Say will be in here tomorrow as well, if you remember her from the Levi exhibit that

was canceled. So she'll be in here also and Susan hasan has her program at three and then next week i'm looking for well it appears that we may have lost drew so i'm going to say very well to everyone we will see you guys tomorrow at 12 p.m pacific time and uh for sus, I will say ta-ta. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor, and I am not practicing medicine here. Always remember that our understanding of medicine and science is constantly evolving.

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