Ask Dr. Drew - 2 Million Disabled: Steve Kirsch’s AI Exposes Shocking mRNA Data “No Public Health Official Wants To Know” with Dr. Kelly Victory — Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 629

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Tech entrepreneur Steve Kirsch used advanced AI to analyze raw, independent datasets about mRNA injuries – and uncovered what “no public health official wants to know.” Legacy media continues to ignore the staggering reality of adverse reactions and side effects of mRNA for COVID-19. Steve Kirsch took matters into his own hands – and his latest analysis estimates that as many as 2 million Americans were seriously disabled by the shots. He joins Dr. Kelly Victory to share his methods, how he used AI to analyze the data, and why “not a single national public-health authority, anywhere in the world, has produced an estimate of the type we just constructed.” Steve Kirsch is a former Silicon Valley high-tech executive with two engineering degrees from MIT. He founded the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund and the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF). He hosts the VSRF Live Weekly Update and has authored more than 1,900 articles on vaccine safety at kirschsubstack.com. Follow at https://x.com/stkirsch Dr. Kelly Victory is Chief of Emergency & Disaster Medicine at The Wellness Company. A trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of experience, she served as Chief Medical Officer for Fortune 500 companies and is an alumna of Harvard’s National Preparedness Leadership Initiative. She is a contributing author of “Toxic Shot: Facing the Dangers of the COVID Vaccines.” Find more at https://x.com/DrKellyVictory 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey there. I'm Dr. Kelly Victory filling in for Dr. Drew. Drew and Susan are off on some fabulous vacation. They somehow figured out the work-life balancing. I haven't. But the good part about my having not worked out the work-life balance is that I get to fill in for Drew and therefore pontificate on things that I want to talk about. And more importantly, I get Caleb all to myself for the whole show. What we're going to be talking about today, I really, we're going to be delving into a lot of the COVID vaccine, quote-unquote, data, the overwhelming mountain of proof that this thing was a failed experiment. It has caused. It just tremendous harm to millions and millions and millions of people. And more importantly, perhaps, that it was all known cover-up from

day one. I'm going to be joined by one of my favorite truth tellers, Steve Kirsch, and I will give him a more detailed intro when we come back after the first break. But the reason I think it's important that we are still talking about this six years later, and I'm sure some of you may be tired of it. But I am a true believer that if we don't keep talking about something that was such an egregious affront to our civil liberties, such an unbelievable crimes, again, and against humanity. I think that we are destined for it to happen again. And look, it hasn't been, there's been enough out there recently, you know, monkeypox, Ebola, Zika, Marburg, contra virus. You know, it's the scare du jour, the infection du jour. And every single one of them

comes with the, but don't worry, we're working on a vaccine. You know, don't worry, we've got you covered. We'll have a new medication for that. So I think it is important to keep talking about this. As I said, Steve Kirsch is the perfect person to delve into this. He has been on this really from very, very early on in the pandemic, and he's an unlikely person to have done so because he's not somebody with a vast medical background, but he is as somebody who is stunningly capable of understanding data, looking at patterns. Similar to my friend Ed Dowd, he's somebody who didn't come from medicine per se, but is able to understand what he's seeing before his eyes and isn't likely to be fooled or swayed to tell anything other than the truth. So when we come back,

I'll give a more formal introduction to Steve. But until then, get ready. It should be a great show. And the phone lines are going to be open. Caleb's going to help me manage any calls. So if you've got calls that are pertinent to what we're talking about today, please do call in and tell us what's on your mind. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time,

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Many of you, I'm sure, have been following him over these past years, amongst other things. He's the founder of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation, something that I find interesting. I want to spend a couple of minutes at the beginning with him explaining exactly how it is that he did that and what that foundation is doing. More importantly, he's a prolific investigative journalist. He has authored more than 1,800 articles on Substack alone. And he was a long-time serial entrepreneur in the high-tech industry. So, as I said, he's not somebody who came to this as a physician researcher.

He's not a PhD in microbiology or virology or vaccinology. And that doesn't make him less credible. That makes him more credible in my mind. He's somebody who's able to see what is in front of him without being. swayed by anything else. He certainly isn't in the pocket of big pharma. He isn't going to be, you know, he isn't at the behest of some big hospital system. He doesn't have a medical license to lose, unlike others of us. And so therefore, I think he's, if anything, more credible. And he's done a stunning job, I think, over these past years at exposing the data. I'm really

looking forward to hearing what he has to say. He's posted a lot of substacks recently. And he's got a number of interesting graphs to show with regard to exactly the harms that were done by this. And as I said a minute ago, it's a mountain of evidence. The data are irrefutable with regard to the harms that were done. And I think the most egregious part of it, frankly, is that so much of it has been a big cover-up, a big why, stuff that they knew from the very beginning. And this wasn't one big mistake. It was really in my mind one big lie.

So let's bring Steve in, and we'll kind of go from there. Hey, Steve. How are you? Hey, Kelly. Good to be here. Happy to have you back. Tell me, by the way, before we get into the weeds on all of this, tell me about your foundation and what led to its formation.

Are you talking about the COVID-E-E-R-F? No, I'm sorry. VXRF. Yes, Vex. vaccine safety research fund? Well, that was about trying to get the truth out to people once my eyes were opened. I mean, I took the vaccine.

I trusted the authorities at the time. And then I started seeing these really horrible results from my friends. So touched me firsthand. I had two sort of back-to-back week apart reports of extreme injury. and that's unprecedented. It never had a vaccine that's supposed to be safe and effective where my friends were injured or dead. So it was actually your personal experience with people reporting injury

that led you to first begin questioning it? Is that right? Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was trying to convince. So the first person contacted me, me on Twitter. It said, is the vaccine safe? And I assured her that the vaccine is perfectly safe. It's been tested, you know, many times over, most tested vaccine, the safest vaccine in human history. And I said, why are you asking me that question? And she said, well, three of my

relatives got the shot and they're dead a week later. And I said, well, that's impossible. It's statistically impossible. It must be a coincidence because the vaccine couldn't have done it because that would be a much higher death rate than the vaccine is. It's supposed to be perfectly safe. So what you're saying couldn't have happened. And then she said, yeah, but they're dead. So applying the logic just didn't work here. You know, reality got in the face of what we were being told.

And so that was my first inkling that something may be wrong, right? Because up until then, like I was telling her about how safe the vaccine was. I had just gotten my two shots. And so now I'm hearing this contradictory information. No, and so here you are, John Q, public, willing to do what our government wasn't willing to do. Actually, look and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're seeing a signal. Something is not, we're seeing something in real time. These are the things that people are supposed to pay attention to.

I might remind people that in 1976, the swine flu vaccine was pulled from the market after a total of 25 deaths, 25 deaths happen in the country. And they said, holy Jesus, pull this vaccine off the market. Here you are in your own little sphere, or this person's own little sphere, seeing three. And you're smart enough to say, oh, whoa, something's going on here and be willing to acknowledge it. So where to go from there? After that, what happened? Well, then a week later, the carpet cleaner shows up to clean my apartment.

So this is early to clean my home. And so he shows up at the door and he's wearing a mask, but I'm giving a hard time about it because I've been told, oh, if you get two shots, you don't have to wear a mask. So I'm totally believing everything I've been told, just like most Americans. And he said he couldn't get a second shot. And I said, oh, why not?

You know, because it's safe and effective. Right. So I'm still not registering that first report. And he said, well, I had a heart attack two minutes after I got my first shot. And he's like 35 years old, perfectly healthy until the shot. And he gets a heart attack two minutes after he gets the shot. He spent the night in the hospital after his shot. And when he said that, it was like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I just heard a week ago this report of three dead. and now I'm hearing from a guy who came to my house that I, that I'm totally just getting into a weird conversation with him about why he's wearing a mask. And, um, uh, and I find out this information. And I'm, and that, that set me off. That was like, wait a minute. Here. You know, one thing I could dismiss is, wow, that was like the weirdest coincidence in the world. But when it happens a week, later and you're seeing the same thing like standing in front of you and this guy by the way after the shot he has never been the same he is permanently or as far as we know he's permanently vaccine injured he was so distraught and in such bad condition he went to doctors to

try to get treated for you know what do i have how do i get better the doctors refused to treat him and so unless he got the second vaccine. So what did he do? He got the second vaccine and it made things worse. Oh my God. How hurry? You can't make this up, right? You can't make this up.

No. Tim Damrock. I'm not making the guy up either. Tim Damroth. You can contact him. No fabrication of names. His story is real. Tim Damrock.

Well, I will tell you, and I could say personally, I was in the hospital right when the vaccines got rolled out, I had an orthopedic injury and needed to have surgery. It was in the hospital. And I only have two allergies in my life. And they're both emblazoned on my chart and big red tape. One is to tetan toxoid. And the other is to polyethylene glycol, which is one of the key ingredients in the vaccines. is polyethylene glycol.

So this is written on my chart, and I can't tell you, if I had a dime for every nurse or doctor who wanted me to take a vaccine while I was in hospital, you're not vaccinated, you need to, you need to get your vaccine. I said, did you read my allergies? I have an allergy to this. And their answer was more than once, well, if you have a problem, it's not, it won't, you're in the, you'll be in the hospital. So we'll be able to treat you if you end up having it.

Wow. Normally they would kick you out. No, no. I'm surprised they did. and say, well, we can't treat you here. I'm sorry. No, it was insane. It was that, yeah. So, so the whole, this is stuff that you're thinking, it's sort of like a Saturday night live skit, you know, not, not the way real medicine would happen. Did you yourself, Steve, did you have any ill effects that you're aware of from the shots, the two that you're doing? Not that I can,

not that I can tell. I lost vision in one eye after the shots, but I can't say that it was due to the shot. You know, it's these weird things that happened. And was it related to the shot or not? The thing is that this vaccine causes weird stuff everywhere. And it's not just in one area. It's not just, oh, well, if your vaccine injured, you have myrochidus. Or if you're a vaccine injured, you have DVT. If you have vaccine injury, you have pulmonary embolism. Right. It's the, Right. You know, the harms are so broad. It's just unbelievable.

I've never seen anything like this in a vaccine before. No, you're right. And you're seeing Drew's black eye there, his raccoon eye, that he developed shortly after either his first two or his booster. I can't remember. But you're right. It was such a broad range of ill effects. used to say we're having an epidemic of the ituses. You know, when a word ends in itis in medicine,

it has to do with inflammation of something. So pericarditis, myrocharditis, tinnitis, neuritis, neuropitis, all the ituses. But it was really across what, arthritis, you know, huge uptick in autoimmune issues and inflammatory issues. So I want to get into the weeds on some of that. So interesting, that's how you actually started. So when, When you hear all of a sudden you're getting this real-life data coming in from people say that you're hearing people around you have ill effects, when did you start looking, did you right then start looking at, you know, I smell a rat and start looking at the bigger data? What did you do next?

No, immediately. After Tim's story, I started looking at VERS and I started looking at other scientific studies. Byron Bridal had recently surfaced a study that. was done in Japan that he was able to obtain through Freedom of Information Act request. And he found that the biodistribution of these vaccines is that they go everywhere. And normally you get a vaccine that's supposed to stay in your arm. And it creates an area of your arm and the immune cells then attack the area of your arm. But what these MR&A vaccines do is it expresses the antigen everywhere throughout your body.

So your body is now attacking all of your organs. And so this is a chart I did. I did it in conjunction with chat GPT. And I said, look, you know, here's one data source. And chat GPT said, well, here's four other data sources. And so I said, okay, well, let's see if we can triangulate and see if we can determine how many people, what the ranges of number of vaccine injured versus the people killed. And the net result is that could be up to, so the sort of the mean value was about 350,000 Americans killed, but it could be up to a million.

That's that number below the 350,000 on the left, that red number. It's anywhere from 200K to a million people who were killed by the vaccine. And then for working age people who are disabled, somewhere on the order of a million was where the triangulation came in at. But it could be 1.5 million or it could be even more than that. Well, let's see. So American of all ages disabled, that's the second blue box on the right. That's 700K to 2 million. So basically you're looking at a vaccine, which is caused.

horrible, horrible effects in a huge part of a number of Americans. You know, you're looking at somewhere on the order of, you know, 1% of the Americans who took the shot are disabled. And, of course, 8% or so had to see a doctor, had to seek professional care. But 1% of the people, maybe up to 1%, you know, up to 1%, could be half a percent. You know, so one out of 100 or one out of, one out of 200, ended up disabled for, you know, couldn't work for six months or more. And these numbers, by the way, yeah, these numbers have been replicated, Steve, to your credit, by multiple sources. Dr. Peter McCullough has been using the number 690,000 deaths from the vaccine for quite some.

time, those numbers continue to mount. So I think that you're right. I think closer to that, you know, 750 correct. So this isn't just your analysis. Yours corroborates what others have done. So, and I think it's critically important. And this point you made that eight percent, the stunning statistic that eight percent of people who got a shot had to seek medical care after it, that's insane. I mean, you know, that by a A safe vaccine should be like drinking water, right? And how many, if I gave 10 glasses of water to 10 people, do you think one of them would seek professional medical care

after drinking the water? I mean, this is an insane amount of harm. And it's in the V-Safe records. But the CDC said nothing. They knew what was in the records. they fought Aaron Siri for over a year about disclosing the records so that it can be made public. Why wouldn't the CDC want it known that the vaccine, that 8% had to seek professional medical care after getting the shot? Well, right.

Right. Yeah. And before we go to the break, I want to just go back to one other thing you said, because it highlights what I said, and I've said over and over that this is not, these weren't. errors. This was a lie. The study, the Japanese study that you were referencing that Byron Bridal found, that was a predistribution. That was a study that was done prior to the vaccines ever coming to the market. This was the biodistribution study that Pfizer did. You know, you get injected in the arm and then where does the MRNA go? And they showed, not only does it not stay in the arm, it makes it to every major organ system within.

in a number of hours, like six hours, the heart, the lungs, the brain, the kidney, pancreas, colon, and importantly, 11% of it settled in the reproductive organs, specifically the testes in the ovaries. They knew that. So then they march out and say over and over and over again. Number one, it stays right there in your arm. Number two, it's gone within three days. Why number two. And number three, it cannot be incorporated into your DNA. All three of those things had been proven and they knew it. At the time, they were standing up there making a bold-faced lie to compel people to take this experimental shot. It's absolutely evil. And after the break, we're going to get into the weeds on more of the data. But I also want to hear, remind me before we end up this show,

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This can't sit in front of me I'll be drinking it. There's nothing in medicine that doesn't boil down to a risk-benefit calculation. It is the mandate public health to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Welcome back. And I'm filling in for Dr. Drew today while Drew is on vacation and joined with by Steve Kirsch. we are getting into the weeds on some of the data that Steve has been able to crunch from his own hard investigative journalism and including some sort of AI into this to determine exactly how many Americans were killed, just, you know, maimed, disabled, or killed.

And by the way, and I'm not making light of that. that says nothing of the number of Americans whose lives and livelihoods were destroyed by the response to the pandemic itself. The lockdown, the fact that, you know, the number of mom and pop shops that never reopened because they couldn't stay afloat at half capacity or couldn't withstand being shut down for months at a time. I mean, truly, we left a smoldering crater where our economy used to be as a result of this disastrous response to the pandemic. So there's a lot of damage that was done. But today we're really focusing on the physical harms that were done to people, just talking about the deaths and disabilities. When people ask you, Steve, about benefit, they say, yeah, yeah, but, you know, there was overall benefit to the shot. Where do you fall on that?

What's your understanding of the data on whether there was, quote, benefit to these shots? Well, if there was, I'm having a tough time finding it. Let's put it that way. So the data is consistent with the hypothesis that the shots didn't do anything. And let me show you one of the slides here that Caleb can bring up. I think it's a slide 17 in the slide deck. If memory serves me, it's, yeah, slide 17. You can bring up that slide.

Okay. Yep, we'll get that. So you'll see that that's really quite stunning. So what the slide shows? So what I did is that I matched the morbidity of two groups of people with effectively the same age. But essentially, what I tried to do is I use the DCCI index, which is the number of comorbidities. And I matched to the groups so that they would be the same in terms of their mortality before they got, well, it can't be before. after they got the shows,

vaccinated and unvaccinated during the non-COVID period that happened after vaccination. So you now have two different groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated. You can see to the right of that red line, that's the low COVID period and the vaccinated and unvaccinated

are relatively comparable. And then you can see the COVID period, and that's a big spike that happens to the right of that red line. line, the red line is basically when I define the groups as vaccinated and unvaccinated based on their vaccination status. And then you can see that they both rise at the same rate. But see, one is vaccinated and the other one's unvaccinate. Now, if the vaccine worked, you would have expected that the unvaccinated group would rise and the vaccinated group

would hardly rise at all because there would be differential response to the vaccine. to COVID if you were vaccinated versus unvaccined. But here you see the response is the same. And so- Right. So this is showing that the vaccine didn't do it. The vaccine fundamentally in that first peak proves that the vaccine did nothing to limit illness.

Did nothing. It's all selection bias. And it's all selection bias. Yeah. So what happens is that when you have a bunch of people, and you say, who wants to get, excuse me, and you say, who wants to get vaccinated? People that are the healthiest raise their hand and say, I want to get vaccinated. Because it turns out that healthy people by and large do very healthy habits except for vaccines

when they're fooled into doing something that's actually dangerous for their health. But in all other respects, they're healthier than people who are, unvaccinated. And so you have this difference in mortality where the people who are vaccine, who raise their hand and say, I want to be vaccinated, their mortality is anywhere from two to five times lower than people who say, no, I don't want to get a vaccine. So their mortality has nothing to do with the shots.

It has to do with who volunteered, who raised their hand and said, I want to get vaccinated. because we now have taken this population and we split the population into two different groups, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, who have mortality where the vaccinated have far lower mortality on average than the unvaccinated. And so you have this, you'll have this differential response to COVID because the unvaccinated are inherently less healthy. It wasn't because they didn't get the vaccine. It's because they didn't want to get the vaccine. It's a selection bias. It's selecting the people who are more frail.

Right. And exactly. And so, you know, Drew and I had quite a bit of difference of opinion early on in the pandemic and in the vaccine program. He felt that his elderly patients in particular would glean some benefit from the shots. I felt otherwise. I felt that it wasn't safe enough for anybody. And had my parents been living, they weren't, but I would never have allowed them in their 80s or 90s to take these shots because I felt number one, we had ways to treat it with Ibractin hydroxychloricin,

steroids, lots of other medications, but because I felt that there was far too much risk. And I think if now as the data continue to pour in, I find it very hard to show any benefit to anybody, even the frail, the elderly, those with comorbidities, and things of that sort. Frankly, the best thing you could have done was be to isolate those people and limit their exposure to COVID by being out in the grocery store or, you know, wherever it was. But otherwise, I would not vaccinate anybody. Talking about vaccinated versus unvaccinated, how, are you familiar? with the work that was done by people like Brian Hooker looking at populations of completely

unvaccinated populations, not COVID-specific. I'm just talking about in general, vaccines in general, those people like the Amish, for example, Mennonites who are largely unvaccinated. And the fact that their rates of chronic illness, the childhood illnesses, those kids who have never had a single vaccine are profoundly healthier than kids. in the United States, you know, our typical kids who get, you know, 8,000 vaccines between the, you know, birth and age 18. Have you looked into that data at all? Of course. Of course, it's all very consistent. It's not just Brian Hooker's data, but many people have done this study. There are at least 12 studies between the vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

In every single case, kids who are unvaccinated are far healthier than kids who are fully vaccinated. Every single study, every single study without exception. And so there's this study at Henry Ford Health System done by Marcus Zervos, who basically volunteered to Del Bigtree to say, I will do the study. I will do the study that will definitively determine whether you're telling the truth or you're spreading misinformation. And Dell said, great. And whatever the outcome, let's commit to publishing the study. He said, no problem. problem at all. So Marcus Zervos did with his top team at Henry Ford Health System. He did the vaccinated, unvaccinated study, the definitive one. And he found out that, oh, that Bigtree was right,

that the unvaccinated kids were far healthier than the vaccinated kids. And so Zervos said he was not going to publish the study. And the reason was not because he thought it was a bad study. The reason is that it would destroy his career. That was the reason that he told Bill, did you see, you saw the movie, an inconvenient study. Oh, this is, I'm so glad you brought it up because this is really important. Here's a guy at a storied academic medical center who does a study specifically to look at this. He had every reason to think that, you know, they would show definitively. that vaccines overall result in healthier kids.

You know, he didn't know, but it turns out his study comes and shows overwhelmingly, not subtle changes, but not subtle differences, but shows that, as you said, these unvaccinated children were far healthier, less incidence of not just autism, but, you know, in ADHD, but less, you know, ear infections, less coughs, less upper respiratory, you know, less allergies, less asthma, less psoriasis, less psoriasis, less of everything. And then he won't publish it in the 11th hour for fear of them coming after his career. I mean, how hard. And he's not the only one. There was another guy, a Dr. Thomas, someone who did the same thing, pediatrician who did his own study and his own practice of, he looked at his, he had easy access to his own practice to where are the kids in my practice who have never had a single vaccine because they're parent, either for religious reasons or whatever else, the parents won't.

Again, found that his kids, the unvaccinated kids, way healthier. And he got lambasted by the medical board. In fact, I think he lost, for a period of time at least, lost his medical license. And as you said, I think there are 12 or 13 studies of this. So talk about, you haven't, like me, you've been out there. You are not a wallflower. You've tried to bring this to people's attention. You tried to bring it to, you know, talk about, you know, have you had any reception

from large academic medical centers or, you know, politicians being willing to hear you out? Oh, no. Nobody wants to hear, nobody wants to talk to me. Nobody wants to have the discussion. Right. So I recently went to Stanford Medical School to attend a lecture by Tony Fauci. And after the lecture, I found out who's responsible for the, it's called Grand Rounds, as Stan. thing in medicine. And they bring in guest speakers. And I said, hey, why don't you bring in, you just brought in Tony Fauci. How about bringing in the people on the other side who are saying the opposite so that you can

expose your population to medical students and doctors and so forth, your audience, expose your audience to both sides of the issue. You know, so shouldn't you be giving equal time to people who have one belief versus the people who have a different interpretation of the data? Because what Fauci was saying is that these anti-vaxxers, they don't know how to, or they have, these anti-vactors believe and, you know, and the word belief. It's, it's, the thing is that it's not belief. It's what the data says.

And so I wrote to the head of the Grand Rounds. And I said, you know, let's talk about what the data says. I don't want to talk about what people believe. I want to talk about what the data actually says. And I will give you, I will bring in Del Bigtree, I'll bring in Peter McCullough, I'll bring in Paul Merrick, I'll bring in Robert Malone. And I'll just listed off the list of very highly qualified. individuals who disagree with what Tony Fauci just said.

And what they did is they ignored my offer. They didn't even say, no, don't want to do it. They basically just ignore the offer. They pretend like it never made the offer. And so you'll never, like maybe I should have in my email, I should have said, I'll make a million dollar donation to Stanford. it if we can just air both sides. But it's like, it's like trying to get on CNN.

You're never going to ever see anybody who doesn't align with CNN's point of view on CNN. They're just not going to have you. They're not doing what a news organization is supposed to do, which is to expose you to both sides of an issue and align. you to decide for yourself who you're going to believe. They just don't give you any air time. Well, didn't you at one point offered a debate, to pay to debate somebody to or to broker a debate between both sides for exactly this reason. I mean, debate, you know, respectful, robust discussion used to be a cornerstone of medicine until COVID. That was one of the things that led me

to understand very, very early on in 2020 that something was very wrong because you all of a sudden couldn't question anything. I'm saying, since when do we not? I mean, that's the basis of it. You know, morbidity and mortality, that's, you know, these meetings that we have in medicine once a month where you get behind closed doors and you duke it out. You know, you sort of say, well, tell me why you're, you know, tell me why I'm wrong. Tell me why I misunderstood the study. Well, here's, what about this study data set? And you kind of duke it out. And all of a sudden, that was verboten. You know, but you, I thought at one point tried to broker a debate and nobody would take you up on.

I mean, it's just that by itself. The fact that people won't talk about it to me is proof enough that they know they're wrong. Yeah, so I offered a million dollars to anyone who would debate me on whether the COVID vaccines killed more than saved. And I claim that they killed more than saved. one guy in the entire world was willing to take me up on the offer one guy israeli guy he's an entrepreneur he analyzed the data and he thought i was wrong the bet is for 3.3 million dollars it's the highest stakes scientific debate in history and it's still going on it hasn't reached closure yet but i hope it will soon but the point is i think the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the

The most important thing is that if I'm wrong, everybody in the world should have been gunning for my million dollars. I should have had people coming out of the woodwork to take my million dollars because it's so certain that the vaccines have saved millions of people and have killed zero. And so it would be like walking in. It would be like taking candy from a baby to debate me. one guy in the entire world and he wasn't even in the United States of America was willing to take me up on the million dollar challenge. So what does that tell you?

Yeah. It tells you. You don't have to be a math genius on this one. You don't have to be a statistics expert. You don't have to be a medical degree. The very fact that even the drug companies weren't willing to take money. my bet. The drug companies themselves were not, don't have the confidence in their own product to risk a million dollars on their vaccine. What does that tell you? It should tell you loud and clear that they don't think it works. They weren't willing to, it's not the million dollars. They were scared of losing. Right. They weren't scared of losing the million dollars. They were scared of losing the debate. And so if they had taken me up, on my challenge.

They would have been finished. It would have been over. That is why not a single manufacturer has the confidence to debate me on this question. No, I think you are absolutely spot on. And I think you should keep pushing on it and exposing the fact that they won't, because I think you're spot on. All right, we're up against a break here. When we come back, I want to talk specifically about the association,

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Welcome back. I'm joined today by Steve Kirsch. We're getting into the weeds on some of the data, the really horrific data, frankly, about the harms that were resulting from the COVID-MRNA campaign. I've been talking about it for years. So is Steve, I think more and more people are coming to understand truly just how bad this is. And by the way, we see things like, you know, myocarditis and autoimmune issues, and we've been seeing this from the beginning.

I think we're just starting to understand the horrors of the cancer related to these. cancers obviously take longer. We are seeing this issue of turbo cancers is real. I hadn't intended to talk a lot about that today, but it is very real and the numbers are overwhelming. And unfortunately, we are going to continue to see rises in cancer rates, I believe, over the next decade, we're already seeing, you know, cancers that we've never seen before in people in their 20s, 30s, 40s. And I think that, unfortunately, we're going to continue to battle that. But I want to talk about autism and autism not related specifically to the COVID vaccines, but just vaccines in general. In a full disclosure, Dr. Kelly Victory, I was out there years ago, you know, 10, 15 years

ago, I was on the record saying things like there isn't a shred of evidence that vaccines are associated with autism or that autism are associated with vaccines. You know, this is debunking. I was on the, I said, you know, this is ridiculous. They don't cause autism. And then I started to actually get into the data, into the research or lack thereof, and really start to understand what a con I'd been sold. I mean, we, you know, be clear, Steve, we were fundamentally lied to in medical school. You were told that vaccines were, you know, that was what, you know, cured the scourge of polio.

It was vaccines. You know, it was vaccines that led, you know, decreases in measles outbreaks, you know, none of which is true when you actually look at the timelines and the trajectories. You know, deaths and severe disease from polio had all but bottomed, you gone to zero before the polio vaccine was ever brought to market and likewise with measles. So I did not believe until about 10 or 12 years ago that vaccines could be associated. with autism. And then in the past six years, I've really come to the conclusion personally that I think it's very, very clear. They aren't the only cause, but they are probably the key contributor to

the development of autism. What's your assessment? You've been in the weeds on this stuff as as well. Well, you're correct. I'm really curious as to what sort of flipped you into getting to that conclusion, but that's the same conclusion that I came to after looking at the data. And it has to do with the, with just basic statistics and odds ratios and so forth. And so if you give an intervention to virtually 100% of people, and that intervention has an odds ratio of, say, you know, three to one, for example, if you're getting the condition if you're getting autism, you're three times more likely to get autism if you're vaccinated, for example. So once you get into these large odds ratios and when you have 99% of the people who are vaccinated, then it means that most of your autism then has to come from the vaccine. It's mathematically determined.

Now, it could come from other things as well, but it means the vast majority because the odds ratio is so high and because 99% of people are vaccinated, that combination basically gets you to, you can do a mathematical derivation of that. Toby Rogers recently found the same thing that I did. I did the calculation before he did. and he did it about a year or two after I did, and he acknowledged my work, my earlier work, and he found out about it after he did his calculation, and he found out that we did the same, we used the same method and came to the same conclusion,

which is that most of autism is driven by the vaccine. And that's not hard to figure out when you ever go to these autism conferences, and if the speaker is allowed to actually ask people, ask the audience, how many parents believe that your child's autism was resulting from a vaccine? You'll see most of the people in the room raised their hand. And this is because when it happens, sometimes autism in about a third of the cases, as far as we can tell, and it's interesting that there's no study on this that I've ever been able to find in terms of the number of rapid autism regression cases.

So, another, autism can be thought of as being caused at birth, for example, in which case it's not regressive. Other types of autism is the child is normal and then regresses slowly into autism. That's not as regressive autism. But sometimes that regression into autism happens very, very rapidly. within less than 24 hours in some cases, depends on the situation. It could be over a few days where a child is perfectly normal

and then a few days later is severely autistic. Steve, let me just ask a quick question. Before you go any further, on that graph there, for people who can't see the numbers, what year or what you're about does that sharp uptick in cases? What year is that? When does that happen? It's 1986 when the vaccine manufacturers are no longer reliable.

What a coincidence, huh? Yeah. So when you ask me, what is it that led me to understand it? I'm not a statistician. I'm pretty good with numbers, but I'm not a statistician. I started looking just at the trajectory of autism. How is it that autism kind of percolate along the very few cases of it? And all of a sudden, you know, I look, this is the graph.

This is what I was presented with. Here's the current state of autism. And I started saying, what else looks like that? What other graph looks like that? Well, there are a number of things. Certainly, the number of vaccine, the vaccine graph looks just like that. The number of vaccines on the market. The number on the childhood vaccine schedule looks just like that graph.

Exact same line. Very few you had, when I was growing up, when you were growing up, the number of vaccines you got between birth and age 18 was six to eight, depending on what states you lived in, maybe five. Okay. It was not until 1986 that they started going, oh, this huge increase in the number of vaccines. What other things? You know, is it cell phones?

Was it screen time? Was it additives to food? I started looking at things. And the thing that matches with it, and again, you know, causation does not, you equal causation, but it sure does give you a good place to start looking. Yeah, well, the number one cause of correlation is causation. Exactly, exactly. So people throw that out to you and you're saying, yeah, but it sure is a good clue,

you know, for where you should start to look. And then I think the overwhelming, compelling stories from parents, parents know their kids. Parents understand what, you know, they're very good at being able to say one, something, started. And it's not a handful of parents. It's one after the other who says, my child was fine. And then the day they got the shot, something wasn't right. That night, you know, had spiked a fever, you know, it's irritable. You know the whole story. And so it was kind of a, for me, a combination of those things together that led me to understand, well, there's something. There's clearly something here.

So go on from there. You know, did you put the, you know, what have you done with your data thus far? Well, the really compelling data is from Doug Holstead. And Doug Holstead was a pediatrician before his license was revoked. As sometimes it happens to these people who tell the truth. Well, so I asked Doug, I said, you know, you've had a number of our two. children in your practice, how many kids in your practice became suddenly autistic? You said 44 kids in his practice became autistic virtually overnight, you know, within 24 hours

than a week or so, went from perfectly normal to severely autistic. And I said, interesting. So how many of those cases, of those 44 cases happened two weeks before the vaccine appointment? answer zero how many of the 44 cases happened within two weeks after the vaccine appointment 44 now you don't have to be a math genius to figure that one out right yeah exactly skills required on that right exactly and again if you look at the you know the vaxed unvaxed studies the 12 or 13 of them that you and I have reviewed. You are hard pressed. In fact, I don't think that Brian Hooker and Bobby Kennedy and there found a single case of autism in the unvaccinated Amish community,

other than there were three total cases of kids, autistic children in the Amish communities that they looked at. And all of those children had been adopted in, they were adopted children who had been vaccinated by the birth parents prior to adoption. So otherwise, I mean, autism doesn't exist in that community. I mean, think about that. And to be clear, the numbers, autism numbers, you know, are beyond exponential. We are beyond an epidemic of it. You know, people keep quoting this, you know, now it's one in 31 children.

Well, in the state of California, it's one in 12 boys. I mean, this is unsustainable. This is untenable. You know, we are living, you're having a world that's being run by autistic people in a few decades and it's scary. I also would say that, you know, this idea that, oh, it's not that there's more autism, it's just that we're better at diagnosing it, we're better at identifying it. If that's the case, then where are all of the 50-year-old autistic people?

We're all the 60-year-old autistic people. I mean, I don't know a 60-year-old autistic person. I know a lot of 10 and 12- and 20-year-old autistic people, but I don't know any 60-year-old autistic people. So I don't buy that. I think that's a much of bullshit. It's nothing to do with that. Right.

RFK doesn't either. RFK brings that up all the time. He said, when I was growing up, you know, you never see any autistic kids. Right. It wasn't a, you know, you didn't measure. autistic kids by the criteria at the time. He just never ran into them. He never saw them. And he said, where are the 60-year-old autistic kids now? If it's just a diagnosis thing, then you can diagnose the adults. You don't see it. Right. And interestingly, people,

something that people don't talk about, and it's probably because it's politically incorrect to do so, is that, you know, autism by itself is a problem. Certainly, you know, there are high-function. people with autism and there are people who are absolutely debilitated and will never live on their own, will never be toilet trained, will never, you know, speak, those sorts of things. But there's absolutely an association, for example, upwards, you know, many studies would say that upwards of 80% of people who claim to be or have transgender, you know, in the transgender community have been identified as autistic or on the spectrum. association with all other things that we are seeing,

this overwhelming anger and hostility, the whole idea that you can have Antifa and these riots and these people who are completely unhinged, the percentage of people in those groups who are autistic or on the spectrum is overwhelming, way more than 50%. So it is associated with behaviors that are, If you look at the number of transgender people who have been associated with recent shootings, mass shootings, there's an overlap of aberrant behaviors, you know, sociopathic behaviors, antisocial behaviors,

you know, and just an overall degradation of our society that I think is related to this burgeoning autism epidemic. And we've got to figure out what's causing it. If it's not vaccines, and we are obligated to figure out, what the hell it is. Yeah. It's so tragic that people are resistant to look into this issue. And if they really wanted to find out whether vaccines cause autism, it's a simple survey. You just go to the pediatrician's office and you do the exact same thing that Holstead did,

which is find out from the parent when they first know. notice that their kid became suddenly autistic. And then you do a histogram and you plot the date between the most recent vaccine and that event. And you'll find that it all clusters right after the shot. It all clusters right after the shot. It doesn't cluster before at all. it clusters right after the shot within days after the shot. And the most extreme example is there's only one case in human history that I'm aware of

where triplets got autism at the same time. Right, right. Okay. And if it's biological and it's caused by, oh, it's caused by pollution or whatever, how is it that the only time when triplets got autism at the same, time it happened two hours after their vaccine right two hours after the vaccine now you tell me you tell me what you think the most likely cause on that one was yeah no I agree and and to be again to be clear the pathophysiology of how it is that vaccines could cause this profound brain injury

that results in autism is multifaceted number one there's clearly a problem with the adjuvants whether it's aluminum or mercury, whatever it is, that are neurotoxins in their own right, the fact that a vaccine, by its nature, the intention of a vaccine is to induce an immune challenge to cause you to give your body something that says, oh, this is foreign, I need to mount a response, an antibody response. And that, along with that comes a fever in many cases, particularly in young children, and particularly when these vaccines are given in conjoining, you know, a big plump of them together, you know, three or four or five of them given it one time. So the child develops a high fever, a fever by itself is a, you know, injures the brain.

Okay, it's why kids can have a febrile seizure because a spiked fever, high fever, can actually induce a seizure. And many of these cases of autism follow a febrile seizure. So there are many ways in which these vaccines could be inducing autism, but the, you know, I think the causality, clearly, in my estimation, is there. The last thing, I'm watching the shot clock here, but I do want to actually finish out by asking your opinion, as I said, on this most recent rash, you know, the powers that be ran, you know, monkey pox up the flagpole, didn't get much traction with that on the fear factor.

Then they went with, you know, hauntavirus. That's going to be the winner. We're going to get people to lock down and, you know, line up for a new. Haunta virus vaccine. Now they're onto Ebola. And obviously, you know, we got Lyme disease out there. And this, the newest scare that I think potential is, is one that we should be concerned about, is the tick-borne illness, you know, alpha-gal syndrome. And I'm actually going to be talking next week with Nick Hulture about that specifically. But what do you think they've got brewing for us next. They certainly learned through COVID that fear was an expedient way to manipulate people's

behavior. And what do you think they're going to do next? Well, your question presupposes that I believe that there's a conspiracy to do all this. Fair enough. And I would say nobody has shown me the smoking gun memo from the perpetrator, the mastermind or the masterminds, or even if it's a distributed mastermind. I still haven't seen the smoking gun memo of saying, hey, here's the playbook. Looks like this didn't work out so well for us. So we're going to do this next to try to destroy civilization and get everybody vaccinated or what have you. So is this a conspiracy of drug companies to sell more drugs? Is this a conspiracy of China to try to destroy our civilization? Maybe it's all of the above.

Or is this, did COVID come out of the Department of Defense doing research on biologics so they can do research on how to create a biological disaster to inflict on our enemies as well as how do we, if our enemies were to use the same technology to biologically attack us, how could we mount it? defense. And so you could say that the one school of thought is that, well, this is just research that wasn't supposed to be done. And it's, it essentially got out of the lab and and and and and by a mistake. And so that was the cause of COVID and it was just these sort of poorly intentioned people who were actually trying to do. public good in the long term, but they basically made us a slip-up and the stuff that they were working on got out. Well, you know, it's one possible explanation. I don't know the answer to is there a conspiracy theory or not, and until I see some smoking gun evidence like the

memo saying, hey, here's our strategy to destroy the United States, or here's our strategy to depopulate the world, or here's our strategy for how we get Medicare to be economically viable, again, is we'll kill off the old people by creating this virus. I still haven't seen that memo. I still haven't seen any evidence. And if you have a plan like that, that you're getting all these people to participate in, probably more than one person knows it, but nobody's leaked it. And it would be the biggest leak. it would be really extraordinarily interesting. And there are no media outlets that have been called, even anonymously by a tipster, saying that, hey, here's what they're planning next.

Here's what they are planning next. So until I see the evidence of a conspiracy, I'm not quite willing to go there to say, you know, what are they planning next? You know, lots of things can happen. and I'm not, I personally do not have evidence. And it's the evidence that convinces me, you know, rather than just speculation about a conspiracy to do all this stuff. No. And I respect.

I respect that. I agree. I can't say exactly what they had in mind when they started this. I do think, however, that we have evidence. For example, we do have the receipts that they were trying to cover up. the let the uh that this came from a lab you know they they they're selling a i mean there's no question no question no question big light and they tried to cover it up and we have those receipts we know that they always knew this didn't come out of some stupid wet market okay we also know and we have receipts

we've just spent the last hour plus talking about the fact that they knew that these things weren't safe and effective and they continued to lie but they're lying about it today they're continuing to Correct. You know, if I go down to the local Walgreens, somebody will offer me a booster, you know. So they're still doing it. So there is some evidence, Steve, that clearly there has been thoughtful lies, thoughtful, you know, why they were doing it? Correct. But you see, they rationalize it by saying, well, look, the COVID vaccine is saving millions of lives because we have this modeling study that was done by a guy in the UK who has since been totally discredited. But we're still. are going to believe that his study saved millions of lives. So we don't want it out that, you know, some people were vaccine injured and we don't even want people to know how many people were vaccine injured because this COVID vaccine is going to be saving so many more millions of lives saved than caught that it's better that we not tell people about the negatives because

that would just cause them not to get the shots and we wouldn't be saving as many lives. That's how the thinking goes. And I can tell you this is not conspiracy theory. Like the doctors I talked to at Stanford believe this stuff wholeheartedly. No question about it. They're not being paid by the drug companies. Their minds are just made up that these vaccines are safe and effective. Well, this is, and we'll end it on that. No, this is what's known people as the noble lie, that you lie about something.

You know, you're lying about it. But the outcome is, you know, it's all for the greater good. and you're willing to lie because of it. So, Steve, we've got to get you back soon. You're always great. You've got such great information. And as I said, I find you more credible than people with medical backgrounds specifically because you're looking simply at the data.

You know, facts are stubborn things, as I say. They just are. And the data are, you know, the data do not lie. And I think that you've done a great job. Hopefully it's, you know, you don't have a medical license to lose, which is great. I have, you know, thumbed my nose at them and said, you know, the heck with, I don't care. You can threaten me all you will. I'm going to tell the truth anyway.

I feel for the people who actually did lose licenses, I had to go in front of board seven times. Seven times I had to go defend my license. And I did successfully each time, but it's debilitating and exhausting and demoralizing. So I'd like to not do it again. But thank you for staying in the fight and please continue to do this. Keep, you know, keep raising the flag. Say, look at this. Here it is.

Look at this. And keep pushing and exposing these frauds who won't debate you because there's a reason they won't and you've hit the nail on the head. So thanks again for joining us and we'll do it again soon. Yep. Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. And I wish that you had been appointed the CDC director.

That would have been the best thing ever for the United States. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. I guess it's bittersweet because I was on the very, very short list to be Surgeon General. I was offered multiple positions, and there's a including at the CDC. And I like Bobby Kennedy and our friends, and I think very, very highly of him. And there's a part of me that thinks I dodged a bullet. There's a big part of me that thinks I dodged a bullet.

So anyway, we'll talk soon. Thanks. All right. I'll see you. Then we've got a long list here. Upcoming shows. Drew's going to be gone, I think, for another week. Oh, there they are. Okay. Thursday is Kira Davis hosting with Elizabeth.

Eddie, she's going to be talking about men in women's sports. Topic I wish I were talking about because it's It really chaps my ass. But that'll be a great show. Then I'm back next Tuesday with Nick Holshar. We're going to be talking specifically about this tick issue. Bill Gates, the Antichrist and his tick program to launch AlphaGal on people. I don't want to give away the whole plot there, but we're going to be talking about tick-borne diseases, Lyme disease, and this alpha-gal issue.

And what's real, what's hype, you know, and what people should be really being. Drew is back. I think these next one, is that correct? Caleb is Drew back on the 16th? Yes, yeah, Drew's going to be coming back on that. Yes, those will be the shows he's back on. Yes. So, yeah, so he's back. He's got a great lineup of people. Gads is sad on the 17th. That's going to be a great show. He's such a wealth of information. I just love that guy. You've got quite a few good ones coming up here in the next few weeks. But you'll see me back a week from. today. And as I said, I'm always happy to fill in for Drew and Susan when they're away on vacation. I get to cover topics that I might otherwise not get to do. So I'll be once again broadcasting from this AI generated city behind me, otherwise known as my home studio, and look forward to seeing you all again in a week. Thanks.

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