Ask Dr. Drew - $2 MILLION Trans Lawsuit: Detrans Fox Varian Wins Medical Malpractice Case After Surgery At 16YO Leaves Her “Disfigured For Life” w/ Rick Jaffe, Dr. Jill Simons & Emilie Hagen – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 584

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

A jury in NY awarded $2 million to Fox Varian after jurors found that psychologist Kenneth Einhorn and surgeon Simon Chin committed medical malpractice by performing a double mastectomy on Varian when she was only 16. Varian told the jury she was “disfigured for life.” Now 22, Varian detransitioned and “no longer thinks of herself as a male” but suffers from permanent effects of the irreversible surgery that was performed by physicians “failing to follow proper standards.” Her case is the first detrans lawsuit to go to trial and win in the United States – one of dozens of other cases being fought nationwide. Richard Jaffe is a healthcare litigator focusing on complex medical and free speech cases. He holds a JD from Columbia Law School and a BA with honors from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He represents physicians and organizations in high-stakes litigation involving medical boards, pediatric care, and patient rights. Learn more at https://rickjaffe.com⠀Dr. Jill Simons is a board-certified pediatrician and Executive Director of the American College of Pediatricians. She previously served as Chairman of Pediatrics for Mercy and Unity Hospitals and helped establish NICU and pediatric trauma programs. Her work focuses on child advocacy, medical ethics, and protecting children from gender ideology. Follow at https://x.com/DrJillSimons⠀Emilie Hagen is an independent journalist covering the Jeffrey Epstein case and major criminal trials. She publishes investigative reporting through her Substack and social platforms. Learn more at https://emiliehagen.substack.com and https://instagram.com/emilieknowseverything 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So much to get into today. We're starting with Richard Jaffe as a healthcare litigator, focusing on complex medical and free speech cases. He also studies the philosophy and history of science. We're going to get in some meta conversations. The general topic is detransitioning. And in that vein, Dr. Jill Simons, board-certified pediatrician executive director of the Merrick College of Pediatricians, want to know she was previously the chairman of pediatrics for Mercy and Unity hospital and the question will be what happened to the american excuse me the american college of

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All right, Rick Jaffe, as I said, as a health care litigator. I'm going to give you his particulars before I bring him in here. He's got a lot of stuff going on. First of all, his book, Galileo's lawyer, courtroom battles in alternative health, complementary medicine, and experimental treatments. Very interesting. You can follow Rick on Rick Jaffe, one word, Jaffee.com. X is Jaffe Rick. Jaffee, RICK.

Substack is Rick Jaffee, ESQ, Esquire. and I think that about covers everything. Rick, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having. I really appreciate it. This is going to be fun. I think we're going to have a good time here.

Let's start with Galileo's lawyer. And well, no, no, no. I want to go to that. But first, let's talk about what the headline we mentioned we would talk about, which some of these lawsuits around detransitioning. Where are you involved with some of this? Is it medical malpractice now? that's being pursued or is there something more profound that people are going to get accused of?

Well, actually, I'm not directly involved in any of the detransitioning lawsuits. What we have in common is we have filed a racketeering case against the American Academy of Pediatrics. And what's interesting is our lawsuit is about vaccines. But it turns out that the AEP is a central player in this whole gender transition thing. They wrote a major paper in 2018 that was widely criticized because it basically attempted to adopt as the standard of care transitioning and surgeries and hormonal replacement therapy. And I think what's happened is there's been a backlash from that recently because of this, in part because of the lawsuit, in part because of the study they did.

in England, the cast study. And so my interest in this really is the fact that a central player in this part of it is a defendant in the case that we filed a couple weeks ago. And the parallels to what's happening in both situations are really quite remarkable. And the pushback in the vaccine area and also in the detransitioning. So that's really my... surprised. Yeah, so I want to share with you something I've observed over and over and over again about my profession and more, more importantly, some of the medical professional societies, the subspecialty organizations, American College of Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics. And I see this, this mechanism at play. And it's the same mechanism that also brought us the overprescribing of opiates. In that, we had your profession who decided, who took a couple of cases in Florida and North Carolina and California and successfully, criminally, went after doctors for inadequate treatment of pain.

So it became no longer a malpractice issue, but a criminal matter of patient abuse if you didn't give patient as much pain medications they needed. alongside of that, the pain medicine society decided that there should never be pain in America. And they went around and they systematically went state by state and got the regulators, the state medical boards, and then the VA to adopt pain is a fifth vital sign. Pain is what the patient says it is. And it just grew from there. And then, of course, the drug companies blew wind to the sales of it. They loved it, of course. But it really was the professional societies and my profession in particular that brought that mess.

Is it the same thing with the vaccines? I think it is. And I think that in all of these cases, what you have is you have a central paradigm. And what happens to the paradigm, and this is straight out of history, philosophy of science. Thomas Kuh in the structure of scientific revolutions is. really what started it, which of a paradigm, which has a system of treatment in this case. And then what happens is you have problems that arise. People die. People aren't getting better. And then there's all kinds of explanations about why that's the case. It's almost like with Ptolemy,

with epicycles, if you know what that is in terms of what, what, the sun of the earth. Before we came up with the, before we came up with the ellipse, we had circles of planets flying around the sun, You had to have epicycles to explain what happened in the sky. Epi cycles, right. So what happens in all these cases is you have a scientific system proposed by, which is conventional. It doesn't work. In medicine, people die. They don't get better.

And then you have explanations. And part and parcel of that is you try to suppress the dissenters. I mean, that's part of it. You debase them. You don't accept their science. And then that's normal science. and then at some point, the paradigm just crashes and just doesn't work. And the perfect example is that is what you talk about in terms of these pain killers.

I mean, I think you traced it how it's called these intractable pain treatment acts. I was in Texas when they passed that, and it just swept the country. And that directly led to the whole pain meds problem we're having now on all the deaths. So that's exactly right. And I think we're seeing that play out. over a 25-year period with vaccines and over a 7, 8, 9-year period with this transition stuff and the surgeries. So we have three really different cycles, but it's the same thing on some, you know,

meta-level. Yeah. And in medicine, I absolutely agree with you. I've seen it in real time. And by the way, in both cases with the opiate epidemic and COVID, I was raising my hand. Excuse me. Raising my hand going, no, no, no, no, it's not okay. And was just crushed.

Now, with the opiate, it was a little more systematic because they had control of the Department of Mental Health, the local medical societies, the state level boards, all the different hospital administrators, they all get in on it. And they actively crushed dissent. I was accused of wanting people to suffer, accused of being old-fashioned, accused of being opiophobic. And it really went to the mat when I was, got really called in front of my hospital administration

because I didn't give an opiate to a heroin addict in withdrawal who was a little uncomfortable, who had an unhappy face on the happy face scale. Yeah, this is how insane it got. And COVID, to me, was the same thing. As I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, why aren't we, what? All of a sudden, we're doing this thing that no one's ever done before,

except in 12th century in Venice, It was a disaster. And so it's always the same thing. And in medicine, there's a little bit of a culty quality to the whole thing, right? In that there's an authority structure. There's a canon. There's people that are anointed. And they defend their positions.

Right. And the title of my book, I have the Church of Medical Orthodoxy. I mean, that's, and that's the whole point. of the way it works. And you could call it normal science and or conventional medicine. You see the bottom of something like it, the Church of Medical Orthodoxy or something like that.

So I think that, and that's my basic view after doing this stuff for 40 years, science, because it's done by humans, is a human endeavor. And you can try as much as you want to try, to attempt to objectifies everything and rule out and take away the human quality, but in the end you can't.

And there's all kinds of ways you do studies. A friend and client of mine, Pierre Corrie, you probably know him, he wrote a book about his travails with Ivermectin. And he came up with the five or six different ways that medicine can basically knock studies or show they don't work or even in testing. And one of the things I found in my experience over all these decades is that, you know, there's all kinds of ways you can ruin a study, make it not work. And that's why I think that, you know, some of it's, you know, gets close to evil. So it's just, I think the biggest misconception that people have is that because of the so-called scientific method, which is really more abused than used, somehow everything that comes out is objective.

And there is an answer and basically what the majority says works. And I think it's just, that's, I think that's the biggest mistake people make. And I think COVID has really changed all that because they saw how the authorities kept on getting wrong one time after another. So I think that we're starting to see the change in that in large part because of COVID. And I think the gender stuff is showing that too. And if they ever do the studies and vaccines, I think it'll show. going on that as well. I absolutely agree.

I had a very lively talk with Brett Weinstein, the Dark Horse podcast. He and I both shared this exact phenomenon that you're discussing. But the way we framed it was, you know, the scientific method is an instrument and it's a delicate instrument. It has to be applied a very specific way.

It has a structure to it that has to be followed. And if you don't follow it, exactly the way it's designed, it's going to adulterate things. I mean, there's already tons of human error involved in the assumptions that go into your hypothesis. And God knows your experiment, does experimental errors. And then the statistical analysis that you choose can have some problems with it, depending on which one you choose. So, of course, if we are not using it carefully, it'll just push out nonsense. Right. And I think at some point, people start to realize that the theorists and the scientists,

they just don't have the answers they pretend to. And I would have to go a step farther just based on my experience in litigating cases. I think there's a lot of ill will jealousies and what I call sociopathology involved in this. There are people that just, you know, I've seen cases where they, well, in general, general, there's a lot of talk about the scientific method and the public, but oftentimes at the expense of individual patients. I mean, that's part of it. Yes, of course.

I just don't find that in many of these studies in highly controversial areas, there is just a lot of putting your thumb on the scales. I'll just put it like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. Or just everything, the design is all off too. But let's go back to the RICO lawsuit. Is this the first time someone has attempted something like this,

this suit you're going after? And what do you come of the pertinent details, and do you think you're going to have success here? Well, that's a mouthful. I think it's an unusual situation, but it's precedented. I mean, our case is modeled after what the government and insurance companies did against the tobacco industry. And the parallels to the tobacco industry, RICO litigation, are really, you know, quite shocking.

Basically, the tobacco industry systematically created doubt about the connection between smoking and cancer. And they had entities like the Tobacco Institute, the Center for Tobacco Research. sew that down. The parallel here is it's a little different because what we think is the AAP is really the central figure in basically sewing certainty in terms of the overall vaccine safety, which does not exist. You know, I did a little experiment. The fundamental premise of the lawsuit is that the entire schedule, of the vaccines, you know, through 18 years, 72 doses. It's never been tested.

They've never tested whether the entire schedule has a net benefit or net harm or how many people it's killing versus how many people it's saving. It's never been done. And most people don't know that. Personal story for me, I asked a close relative of mine. I said that. Did you know that the vaccine schedule has never been tested? And quote, you're lying.

And then this person looked at perplexity, said it was that it's true. It's never been tested. And then what happened is, but perplexity has well. Of course, you can't test the schedule because it's unethical because vaccines work, which of course is circular reasoning. But here's the second big lie, which is responsible people never asked for prospective studies to test. and have an unvaccinated cohort and a vaccinated cohort. That was never the ask.

The ask was. So we have this giant database. It's called the vaccine safety database. And we have bears, right? What the Institute of Medicine asked everyone to do, the CDC to do, is just take a look at the records and see what they see, what they can find out from them. And that's never been done.

And that is a fact. So even perplexity understands that. And the fact that it hasn't been done, that testing hasn't been done when they asked to do it in 2002. And when they asked again in 2012, 2013, hasn't been done for 24 years. So, you know, so as a result, there's no basis to conclude one way or other right now that vaccines have net benefit. And a lot of the studies that have been done that have been debunked shows that in general, unvaccinated kids are healthier. And this recent study that I'm sure is going to get retracted a second time by Brian Hooker and his colleague,

shows that the death rate of vaccinated kids is significantly higher, statistically significantly higher than the vaccinated group. Louisiana, and I put that in the complaint. So none of this is conclusive. I view all this as just signals, right? And the message that I think that I would send is look at this giant digital filing cabinet and find out what you can find out and answer some of these questions. And you can get into the details about autism and all that.

But the fundamental point is they've never tested the combined. schedule. That's acknowledged by the government. And there's been a slight of hand about how you don't have to test it because everyone knows it's safe, which is circular reasoning. So I would think that is really the message I'm trying to convey and let the chips fall where they may. But look at the data. It's there. There's no ethical consideration about looking at 12 or 15 million medical records, some of kids who are vaccinated, some are partially vaccinated, some are unvaccinated, and see what you find out. I mean, I think the country really is owing that.

I completely agree. And you talked about the uncertainty. Joseph Freiman coined a phrase, he did some of the original revisitation of the study at Pfizer studies, is that any good scientist or clinician has, rational uncertainty. We've been through a time of irrational certitude. Certitude is not, it's the opposite of science. It's the opposite of medicine.

And it's weird that people are, I guess it's the human part. It's the human weakness that has people sort of get defensive and fall into the certitude that's completely uncalled for. Rick, I really appreciate you being here. I want to keep up with you on this action, if you wouldn't mind, if you'd give us some feedback as it goes along. It is a lot like the tobacco story. It truly is in terms of how they did their thing. And it is concerted, coordinated. And Rico is, to me, the perfect way of, and it's happened before.

You have the example of the opioid crisis. And God knows there are probably others. out there. Right. Yeah. And I think the certitude, by the way, the certitude think I think bothers me the most. I mean, it's just the hubris. Right. You know, and you know, talking about this gender stuff, I looked it up. Up until 1973, the DSM2 had homosexuality as, as it was in the book. Yeah. Right. It's a disorder. So, you know, with that context, it's just, I think my prescription to all of these people, you know, what I call the vaccine mafia and, you know, you could apply it to the gender people as well, is have a little humility.

You know, you're a scientist, but, you know, things change. And psychiatry is loaded with stories like of problems where they get into weird think. just the fact that psychoanalysis took over American psychiatric world for 30, 40 years was a weird anomaly. And then the guys that came in after that were sticking ice picks up people's eyeballs and swishing it around.

And there's another thing that happens, which is when the disciplines that really understand that stuff, neurosurgery in that case, they go silent. They just stay out of it, as opposed to speaking up and going, hey, this guy that won the Nobel Prize

in Spain for the fun lungial lobotomy, we don't think it's a good idea. I don't know why doctors don't have more courage. I guess they're just too busy or whatever. But Rick, thank you so much for being here. We'll look for you on the substack. I want to get Galileo's lawyer. I can't wait to read that. It sounds fascinating. And good luck on the RICO and we'll get the update from you as it moves along. Thank you so much. You got it. Thank you so much. Coming up, Dr. Jill Simons, we're going to talk specifically about some of this detransitioning situation from particularly from the standpoint of the American College of pediatricians because

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Previously served as the chairman of pediatrics for Mercy and Unity Hospital. she focuses on child advocacy, medical ethics, and protecting children from things like gender ideology. You can follow her on X, DR, Jill Simons, S-I-M-O-N-S, also on X-A-C-P-E-D-S. Jill, welcome the program. Thank you for having me on. So I just read a post where the American Medical Association

is also now changing directions on gender's affirming care or whatever we're calling it now. Where is the pediatric world? Yeah, you know, the American Academy of Pediatrics. So I'm executive director of the American College of Pediatrics, but the AAP or the American Academy Pediatrics, they seem to be doubling down on these harmful protocols for kids, the puberty blockers, opposite sex hormones. and despite all these young adults and kids coming forward saying they regret these taking these medications and the surgeries that they've had and despite all the studies we have now showing the harms that it causes, they're ignoring the science and they are forging ahead. Just like you were talking with before, they're really ignoring the science and the evidence. What is that? What has happened? And again, is it is the American College of Pediatricians and the American Pediatric Association at odds with this?

So the American College of Pediatricians was formed about 25 years ago. It was actually several doctors in the American Academy of Pediatrics, one of the past presidents even, that became really frustrated with the AAP going with ideological views instead of the scientific evidence. And in fact, protocols, and still to this day, protocols and decisions are made by a group within the Academy of Pediatrics and then published as this is consensus. This is all our members. Whereas the American College of Pediatricians, any statement we put out is researched by our scientific policy committee. And then all of the members get a vote in it. They all get to comment. And so it encourages discussion. It encourages dissent as opposed to the AAP, which silences doctors that speak up when they have questions.

You know, is this really good for kids? That's crazy. And there's now a big lawsuit. Tell me about that. Yes. You know, there's several lawsuits. This was the first one that had a verdict. And this poor young lady, and I'm not involved in this case at all.

but I can tell you they're all very similar. They are, their parents are told, they're told that this is, this is the answer to their problems. You know, they're uncomfortable with their sex or they're, you know, they're just struggling in life. They're awkward. Puberty's awkward. And the answer is that, well, you must be trans and you were born in the wrong body. And that is the cruelest thing you can say to a child that, you know, you're right. You're so wrong.

You were born in the wrong body. And then they do something worse and they attempt to, you know, correct this with harmful chemicals, puberty blockers, hormones that themselves are laden with side effects and lead to sterility and then go further to these surgeries. And, you know, there may be some euphoria after and they feel better, but you have medicalized these children for life. They are dependent on these hormones. If they have surgeries, there are so many complications.

They're disfigured. You've taken a healthy body and now medicalized it for life. So, you know, there is real regret from these kids. And, you know, the parents also, the families go through hell. And, you know, the parents are pressured by these doctors that are supposed to be telling them the best medical advice. You know, they're telling them if you're a son or daughter, if you don't do this for them, they're going to commit suicide. And what parent, you know, doesn't want to do everything possible to prevent their child from committing suicide. So it's a form of blackmail that the doctors are putting these families through.

Certainly coercion, which, and remember, in the Hippocratic oath, no coercion is explicit in the Hippocratic oath. So. Right. From the beginning of all this, I've been saying, look, there may be some kids that could be held by this, but our job as physicians is to find the right treatment or the right patient, which is a, it takes forever to sort out the various treatment interventions and the various presentations of these various kinds of syndromes that kids come in with to figure out what's the right treatment or the right patient. I've never seen a situation where we just give, everybody the same thing with sort of even an adjacent symptom complex. Everybody gets this one thing. And that's the oddest thing for me. And that just immediately smacks of ideological capture.

Right. And what other condition in medicine where, you know, upwards of 98% of these kids outgrow it? I mean, we all know kids who, you know, thought they were, you know, an astronaut or a cloud or pirate and all these things or thought they were the opposite sex. And 98% up to 98% outgrow this with support through natural puberty. And so what other medical condition would you apply this many things with this many possible harms and side effects for a condition that takes care of that they outgrow? I have a friend who developed gender dysphoria at age 13 in Norway. And at the time, he, his mother took him to the pediatrician. They evaluated him for a while, blood time, while these various sort of assessments.

Then the pediatrician said, you know, I think this could be a psychiatric problem. Psychiatrist evaluates this individual for months. At the end, psychiatrist says, you know, I do think you have this gender dysphoria. And you are going, I would like to be able to prescribe these dangerous medications to you, these hormones that are increased your risk of liver disorders and clotting. And it's going to change your body. but I do believe it will leave your distress. And it worked.

And this person now is, you know, 20 years, 15, 20 years down the line. And she still says, I have a serious condition. The treatment worked, but the treatment is serious. These are dangerous medicines that I have to take the rest of my life because I have a disorder.

And she looks at it very much medically. And was clearly the right treatment for the right patient after careful assessment and consideration and talking about it with everybody. that to me is how this ought to go. Am I off?

No, I mean, I'm a pediatrician. I know that kids' brains are not developed, you know, until their mid-20s. And kids can't consent to these things. They can't comprehend. They just are incapable, just like, you know, a six-month-old is not capable of running. They can't make these kind of important decisions. And, you know, the parents are, you know, I would argue also not informed when, you know, we know, we know some of these things happen with, you know, very short visits.

And, you know, you mentioned extensive psychiatric evaluation, looking at the whole child, what else is going on? And all of that is dismissed. I mean, any kid who's suicidal, you should look at everything. You shouldn't just say, this is why, and jump to that. So there's a huge, huge disservice happening to kids. I mean, it's worse than that, to kids and families. So are these lawsuits catching any of the time?

are they changing the practices at all? Like I said, the AMA seems to be making noise like it's going to change its position. Well, this is how this ends. So there's several roads to this ending. The lawyers, the legislators, you know, they'll drag this out lawsuits, legislation. The fastest way this ends, this could end tomorrow tonight. If doctors stop prescribing and stop doing these surgeries on kids. And so that's my job. I speak to doctors, medical groups, and urge them to stop this. Look at the evidence. And we, in June of 24, many groups, many medical organizations came together and put together the doctors protecting children declaration. And we just said enough. And what you're proposing is not consensus. We are thousands of physicians, tens of thousands of

physician saying this is harming kids. And this petition, this declaration has gone around the globe. Elon Musk picked it up. It's had 65 million views on his own account, millions of others. So there are real doctors, there are good doctors out there that are speaking against this and they can't silence us all. But, you know, that's what's happening is there's this massive silencing campaign going on to the doctors that are trying to speak up. So the best way this ends, the fastest way is for the doctors to change themselves to stop this. Well, the plastic surgeons are speaking up now, too, but I saw the way the opiate thing stopped. Jeff Sessions put a bunch of doctors in prison for overprescribing, and it stopped the next week.

It's happened immediately. And so it started, as I was talking to Rick Jaffe about, because of legal action for underprescribing. So, you know, we get very very, very, very, very. scared as physicians about the legal consequences of what we're doing will run from one side of the boat to the other. And it's, I think these lawsuits may be what catches the wind, but I'm not sure. I, but, you know, I have faith in our profession. I mean, we, we have to see the wrong of this so that it doesn't happen again, that these things don't happen. You know, not, not be forced because your CFO of the hospital says you can't do this. anymore or the lawyers, you know, your malpractice insurance won't cover you. As a profession,

we need to look at ourselves and say, how did we get here? You know, we stop people from being able to ask questions. And so, you know, I think it'll be a combination of things that ends this, really, but my call is for physicians to do the right thing and stop this. Is there, is there someplace we can go to read the data? You're saying that you have evidence of the, of the harm. Do you have it collated in one place? Yeah, the doctors protecting children.org has our declaration on it. It's the most concise, you know, lists the harms, has the cast review, you know, which was done by Hillary Cass, pediatrician and the UK. Extensive studies were done over there looking at all the data.

Our own website, acpeds.org. And then we have a whole website dedicated to this. It's called Biological Integrity.org. And that website, site is meant for not only physicians, but also parents and policymakers, teachers that has answers to all these things. You know, what are the harms of puberty blockers, surgeries, you know, just everything, little fact sheets you can print out articles, videos. It's very user-friendly. You said you weren't involved in the lawsuit we referenced that $2 million dollar

malpractice case. Do you know any of the details about it? I do not. just what I've read, just what I've read. You know, the, the mom mentions, you know, feeling pressure, just like I said. I mean, this story plays over and over where there's this pressure to this, this is the answer, like you were saying, you know, this is the answer to your problems. So. So, so I'm looking, I'm right now on biological integrity.org. And that, this doesn't really have what I'd be looking for as a physician.

Is there somewhere that there is, do I have to go to PubMed? I mean, is there somewhere they've got the predominant data accumulated in peer-reviewed publications? So everything on biological integrity has footnotes, has the resources for it. But if you go to doctors protecting children.org, everything in our declaration, there's long, long list of references, huge source there. That would be the most concise place. And you can sign it too, Dr. Drew. and sign in support of the good doctors for fighting this fight.

Fair enough. Dr. Simons, thank you. Thank you for standing up. Whenever there's a mass formation, there's always a bunch of true believers, and it's usually a smaller minority that raise their hand and go, hey, oh, hang on a second.

But it's important that you get, you know, you get onto the boat that other, you know, it's about 20% of true believers, 10% of, you know, clairvoyous people that can see through it. but 70% are just wanting to get their work done and stay, you know, just keep their head down. Those are the ones you got to get on board before this thing changes, it seems to me. Yep, yep. We're doing a huge outreach coming up in the next few weeks, big exciting announcement to reach out to our colleagues.

Let them know we're here. Give me them courage to speak up. Great. Dr. Jill Simons, X. It's DR Jill Simons on X, also ACPs, ACPEDS. Thank you for giving us an update. and joining me today. Thank you for having me.

It was a pleasure. You bet you. All right, we are switching gears, and we are going to bring Emily Hagen back in studio with her friend Brianna, who knows even more than Emily, she says. Emily knows everything, and so I wanted Emily to tell me about the Epstein file,

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And introduce Brianna to us. This is my friend Brianna Logan, formerly known as Jagie-ish. And she was at the Galane Maxwell trial. So I brought her along because she can compare the notes from the trial. And then all the stuff we're now seeing on the justice.gov. Where should we start, ladies? Other than a reminder, we've all been eating Paleo Valley all afternoon here. Thank you so much for these.

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Okay, what happened? So for years, there was a famous photo of the late Virginia Goufrey with Prince Andrew and Galang in the background. For years, Prince Andrews said it was a fake photo. Yes. And that he was at a pizza place. It has just been confirmed in a new document that Galane, Maxwell in 2012 admitted that that photo was real.

Was real. And this is after this woman had been smeared and bullied for years by his... Bullied to death. Bullied to death. And it was by Prince Andrew. So she was up against, you know, the UK media, the American media. And then this really sick woman with horrible hair named Lady Victoria Hervey that was Prince Andrews...

She's white film on her tongue I saw at the Harvey Weinstein trial. Yeah. She just like emanated like this evil vibe. And they've been lying about... about Virginia Jufre for years in the press. Jessica Reed Krause, Lady Victoria Harvey, all because they love being able to say that they know Prince Andrew,

that they go to these cool parties, that they know this person, they know that person, and they get to make the content, to make fun of these survivors. And it's like, for what? Is it worth it? You lied on behalf of Galane Maxwell. That's not exactly a stand-up person,

a hill to die on, to represent that person, and you represented them incorrectly. You told lies about girls who were, raped and trafficked when they were teens. It's pretty sick. Lady Victoria Hervey went on Pierce Morgan, and Pierce said the photo is real, and she was like, come on, Pierce, it's a fake photo. Pierce literally looked at her and said, you're deluded.

Yeah. Like, they have been pushing this live for years, so this is sad because obviously. Am I not accurate that Andrew was sort of kicked out of the royal family? He was stripped of his titles. Yeah. But he was even kicked out further out today, I think, like he was sent away. Probably because this document just got revealed. I don't know why it took this long to find it, but you know there's like three million files.

He's all living a van down by the bridge, as they say. I did talk to a BBC anchor recently in December, and he said, like, the British media has known for years. Of course, Andrew's guilty. And he didn't know why the American media wouldn't catch up. And so what do we think he is guilty of, just so we spell it out? I could read the email. Teenage girls. With teenage girls.

And he didn't. And what is it? Intimidating them. Intimidating them. You would intimidate them also. You want to come with me. If you don't come with me, then we could kill you. We could kill your family.

Like the redacted documents I've read that had been police statements that have been buried from the 90s and the 2000s, they're all consistent in that these girls face threats if they did not do something and or their friends who refuse to go to these second locations. Their friends experienced intimidation. So there was proof. Intimidation is one thing. And I can imagine that these assholes did that, but threatened with demise, with, death. It's pretty intense. I think so. From people who are high up, very wealthy, and have power, I mean, it's terrifying. Well, so what do we think was happening here? I mean, what's the meta

analysis? I think when I look at Epstein's schedule, when I look at how his day was, a lot of the emails, I mean, the emails came out Friday. It's now Wednesday. So for five or six days, I've been through them. And a lot of his emails were about financial dealings, about investing in big companies, you know, healthcare advances. And then it's almost like at like five o'clock on the dot. It was like, where's my pussy? Where's the girls? Where's the dinner? Where's the this?

Where's the that? And it was his escape with sex. However he could get it. You know, emails with John Luke Brunel, the model scout from France. Who also killed himself? Who also, you know, allegedly killed himself. Sending him videos of girls and saying, oh, this is the Swedish girl. Have you seen this video yet?

She's going to come next week. Just the arrangements they would make with different girls. It was an incredible list of like his lifestyle was really broad in. And yeah, sure. Epstein was a financier. He wasn't just a pervert. But being perverted was his hobby. Right. And so I'm trying to parse out the human part of this. In other words, when people got sucked into this, it seemed to me that they were either sucked in by money, sex, or both, or they were pedophiles. And this was the only way they could really act that out.

You're talking about the predators or the, like the predators or the, The people who hung around. Why did somebody hung around? Why did Trump kick him out of Marlago and other people? Oh, this guy's cool. I want to be around him. You know, he's money and sex, right? He was offering things that people wanted.

Epstein seemed to understand how to set up businesses and bank accounts. Okay, money. To, yeah, really yield on investments. Yeah, so money. Yeah, he threw the best parties. And by the way, there's, you know, Mike Ben thinks he has a whole CIA thing going on here, too. They're still trying to parse out. I mean, for sure.

Absolutely. But listen, like not all men have game, okay? Like, I'm a 30-year-old single girl. Like, it's embarrassing what men can't fucking figure out how to do to speak to a woman. So if you just have Jeffrey Epstein presenting you women who are ready, willing, and able, it takes away your bad personality. They didn't have Tinder back then. They didn't have dating abs. Jeffrey Epstein was the app. There's no Raya. That is the sickness and the frailty of the human being right there, right? I mean, there's some people that are, I saw some emails of people. It seemed to be, looked to me like they were so interested in his money and lifestyle and they wanted to sell him something or be near him and be a part of it. They said he had. And the other people wanted the sex. And then what I didn't see evidence of was the full on pedophile group. I know where are they?

They've got to be in there somewhere. I found a photo album of an Epstein and Clinton vacation. And by the way, let me say, Epstein himself clearly pedophile, right? That's the pedophile in, you know, in charge. but I'm not sure did he traffic in pedophiles bringing them in? I think that for himself.

I think that Epstein and John Luke Brunel would say to girls, I mean, there were different categories of women and especially early on in the late 90s, early 2000s where it was like, oh, you want to be in Victoria's Secret?

You want to be a model? There's all manipulation. And by the way, I've spoke to some of the survivors and they really, oftentimes is the case. They're really blaming his lane. Like, she was the groomer.

She was the groomed them, did all the years. He was waiting outside high schools of low-income communities. She didn't go to the rich high schools. She would go to the ones. I've talked to a few that were kind of well off, but they were kind of, they were kind of. Imagine you're at a high school. I remember there was like a weird guy in my park once.

And like our staff was like, oh, my God, there's some guy in the parking lot. Imagine if it was Galane Maxwell. Like it's so creepy. Yeah. But she didn't have to hang out at the school. She would meet. He hired $23 million. She had to find high schoolers.

They didn't want old washed up girls. Like us, they wanted high schoolers. Fresh me, virgins. No, no, I get that he wanted the young kids. I get it. But she would, she would go, you're so special. We see something special in you. Love bombing. You love bombing. And you'd be such a good massage. We'll teach you how to do massage here. And then you can go get a really good job being a massage art, like massage technician, whatever the word is. Plus they were offering money. Just rub his feet. Just rub his feet. He likes his feet. Exactly. Exactly. They want, they always, he would give money. And the only way the girl could get out was he would say, well, you're not allowed to leave. unless you find another high schooler to replace you.

So that was the system. Is that in the email somewhere? That's been out for a long time. Even before the email job. And the testimonies. So what were the surprises for you guys in these documents? The fertility rumors that we had heard about Zora Ranch. So Epstein had several different properties.

And the most famous is Little St. James Island, as well as the New York mansion. But the Zoro Ranch in New Mexico, I believe, is not spoken about a ton. But what we do know, the little we do know is that it was likely a place where he had a lot of like fertility things happening. What does that mean? He was banking his sperm and the sperm of his billionaire genius friends. And he wanted that place to be a compound to just inject women and like create babies, you know, just create more. Kind of like how, you know, Elon is doing. Just like more people like me.

Yeah, but at least he had like they were awake. It's not like Elon. Correct. It's not like Elon. But I'm saying a concept of saying, I'm a man with a lot of intelligence. you would want babies that are like me with my DNA. So is it a sperm bank? Or is, I mean, why does it just make it an expensive sperm bank?

Right. And maybe that was the intention. And then I don't know what happened. But I think that, you know, when I typed infertility to the key to justice. gov slash Epstein last night, and I typed in fertility, there showed a lot of research that he was doing computer files he had regarding research and fertility. And then, you know, appointments he was making with these different offices in Palm Beach and in New York to have his. sperm in different banks with different girlfriends also on the emails to make, hey, you're going

to ovulate this day, prepare for this thing, you know? Wow. What are we going to call him? What is his, I mean, Manson Part 2. Is he, like full psychopath monster? He was obsessed that physics could explain everything except for love and desire and sexual attraction. Therefore?

Therefore, he must get to the bottom of it. And then he just spun out. I sure did. Where did you see that? Where did he? He did an interview. I feel like it was with Steve Bannon maybe. And he was saying, you know, the one thing

physics can't explain is chemistry. Why are we attracted to people? And he just would go like, Jeff, Jeffrey. Why are we attracted to children? He loved hosting dinner parties where he was like the person that said the smartest thing. So this was like his version.

But then if you look at the emails, the guy couldn't spell. Like people are saying that's the most insane part of this whole thing is how much they're emailing. We didn't know people emailed this month. And then second, the guy couldn't spell a thing. Oh, is that right? But a lot of the most, most wealthy people I've ever met can't spell.

So I'm almost like, was literature like a trick? Like, were we... Is this Lexi or something? Yeah, I don't know. It's a common thing. I think his thumbs were really big. And he was on blackberries. He looks like he has toes thumbs.

Yeah, you can tell. But I haven't seen an image. It's probably redacted because everything is redacted like this email I want to bring up. Okay, before you do a quick question about the fertility thing. Do we know, is there any evidence of actual biological offspring? There was one victim who said that she believed that she saw a photo of Galane Maxwell pregnant framed in the Palm Beach home. And the attorney said that's not possible. But she's like, no, I promise you, Galane Maxwell has had Jeffrey Epstein's baby.

That was her dream, wasn't it? She was in love with him. And then what about all these, then when things get really, anybody could report anything on these FBI files. Sure. There was some wacky shit in there. Where do we, where is the line between reality and just wackiness? Well, that's what the internet doesn't allow for that. Where's the pizza gate in this?

Well, okay, for example, this email, this has been going around the internet today. And I was like, this looks a little bit fake. I'm going to go to the, so if anyone's watching and you think something looks a little weird, go to the actual website. And then justice, justice got got gov slash Epstein is the website. And then just type in the keyword. And this one is an email to Jeffrey Epstein on March 11, 2014. And it says, thank you for a fun night. your littlest girl was a little naughty.

Oh, yeah, I heard about that. It's confirmed. It is real. But the weird part here is that they're redacting the sender. Why? So we're not getting the transparency we're promised. Well, so that's the next layer to all this. What's going to happen to these efforts?

Probably absolutely nothing. How is that possible? Although they did say Bill Gates is going to be speaking under oath. Bill Gates was caught in an email saying, I caught an STD. How do I give my wife? medication for an STD without her knowing. That to me is one of the most grossly unethical moments I've ever come across. Mr. Vaccination himself showing no regard for anyone's consent.

STDs don't care about your bank account. You know? Anyone can get them. That is, I mean, that's such a violation of just fundamental human ethics. Like you're going to expose her to an illness and then treat her for it. None of it without her knowledge. He just didn't want her to know. And I think it's a lot of guys do that and women.

I think people lie. There's guys and there's Bill Gates who push the vaccination on all of us. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. A lot of people do this. Men and women, especially in L.A., lie about past Ds they have. That's true. There's Facebook groups about it.

But in terms of then also treating somebody. Yeah, they don't treat it. And then they leave and you never see that guy again. Spiking or eggs. I can't. Spiking her eggs. Yeah, with amoxicillin or something. Bill Gates is back potalling.

Like, did you see his new... Yeah, I didn't... His little... His little Maricopa was not a maleculp at all. And then his wife just spoke, and she's trying to say, like... It's sad. A lot of people are holding the wife accountable, saying, like, I don't want to hear it until you expose this, this and that. They're saying, like, you were complicit.

And what? The horrors that women... I don't know. This is the... Birth to death. Again, okay, let's take Bill Gates, for instance. I know of no evidence. that he was a pedophile, right?

No actual evidence. There's evidence that he was doing... He was doing stuff. A little dirty. Yeah, with women. He cheated. That he may have manipulated, cheated on his wife. He was whatever was going on there.

But I think anybody that did anything unsavory with Epstein immediately gets pedophile labeled. What I was saying earlier was I found a vacation photo, whatever, pages and pages, photos and photos of Epstein and Clinton on vacation in Morocco with really skinny girls who their faces are blurred up but we see their bodies and we see that they're wearing like really tight clothes. They're very tiny bodies and they're laying in bed or there's one where like Epstein's over a yoga ball and the girls over him and there's like his face is blurred out. Bill Clinton's has blurred out and hers is blurred out.

I don't know how much how much more these women can get besides their testimony, their integrity, their truth. I agree and I feel like it's kind of rude to even ask. We have thousands of witnesses. We have 3 million files and then there's people still saying, well, we still need to see the proof. There's no enough. Was George Clooney? Was that a

AI picture with him with Epstein? Oh, I didn't see that one. Typed his name and didn't think about that. Okay. And again, no, I have no knowledge, nothing. No wrongdoing. No whatever. This could shake up the whole industry.

Of what? What industry? Everything. Politics. Hollywood. there's a lot of people on the named in both. People are so sick of it. They're so sick of the system. I agree with you. The political part is kind of interesting, though, because the Democrats had these documents for a long time.

But they're in them too. Yeah, but then when there was some belief that they could somehow tag something with Trump in the documents, then they became enthusiastic about releasing them. Of course. And now it's blown up in their face. It's coming back to them. Strategy. Yeah.

I mean, everyone's exposed. Annie Farmer did that interview clip. that I posted. They got three million views because no one's arguing in the comments. That's very rare. And she's up on the stand at the Epstein Transparency Act in Washington. And she's talking about how this is not a partisan issue that Bush covered it up. Obama covered it up. Biden administration covered it up. So everyone agreed on that. And she talks about her sister, Maria Farmer, endured years and years of abuse and bullying. And now we're seeing emails from Maria in the tips talking about how this little mafia, the same people that bullied

Virginia were smearing her. Same people that bullied Monica Lewinsky. Right. I know who liked that video was Monica Lewinsky. And Monica Lewinsky put out a statement today saying like, I just want to send out love to survivors because I know how it feels. She's the OG for sure. Caleb, why don't you ask this question because I know nothing about what you're talking about here? What's Caleb saying? Yeah, as you all know, my pet conspiracy theory is that Eckstein is... Wait, hold on.

You hearing him? Hold on. Emily's trying to get the earpiece in. I can't see it in your hair. I'm so sorry. It got lost. What the heck, dude? What have you done with that thing?

Okay. Got it. It's going to be another hanging here. We're talking about Epstein's autopsy pictures. The tribal tattoo. Is it real? Is it fake? Go ahead.

Emily, I mean, Caleb, go ahead. Yeah, so, I mean, everyone knows my pet conspiracy theory is that Epstein is still alive because he would obviously have a dead man switch. That switch hasn't gone off. That means the man's not dead, along with a list of other things. But I've also noticed that some people are going a bit even further than I am, and they are kind of inventing things by looking at the files and looking at stuff and not actually going into the actual research.

For example, one of the rabbit holes I almost went down was the fact that there's photos of Epstein with this arm tattoo, like a spiky arm tattoo, but then that same tattoo doesn't appear in his autopsy photos. And people were saying, well, that's obviously a different person, but when you look at in deeper into the emails, you actually find

emails in there that are saying he's looking into tattoo removal services and that the tattoo might have been a temporary tattoo. Let me handle this because I don't think you know anything. No offense about the tribal tattoo or do you? I want you to go. Do you know about it? Don't worry. I'll go when you're done.

I rabbit hold the tribal tattoo today. I want you to go on, girl. This is maybe all I know. It's weird because today Thomas Massey replied to this ex-tweet saying, you know, this tribal tattoo, he, like, oh, no, he got it removed. Here's the

document where he's emailing. But if you read it, it's from 2010, which is before this second picture was taken where the tattoo is still visible. And it's just him inquiring about the cost of a tattoo removal service. And

It was pretty cheap. It was like $200, 300. There's no correspondence. We don't see an email where he booked an appointment. He also did not like any of his girls to have tattoos, so that email could have been about anything. I also want to say the conversation of tattoos, I understand we want to make sure that things are legitimate.

That's why the arm tattoo and Epstein's coming up. But also, like, if you're going to give 45 minutes to this Epstein conversation, please make sure you're giving 46 minutes to the other things you are questioning the legitimacy of. Because this tattoo thing is, like, really. like not that important. Well, it is if we're trying to figure out if he's still alive or not. Well, but yeah. But I also felt like the picture, the way he was laying,

like it looked a little bit too low, the way, it almost looked like the tattoo could have been under like the cast thing. Oh. Right. So, Emily, so wait, wait, so what you just said is basically that has been double debunked. So it could actually still be something to look into more based on the timeline of the emails.

I think we need to go deeper, Caleb. Oh, no. Oh, no. So what are the important things we need to be? No, no, no. Earlier today, I said to the group chat, I said, quite frankly, I'm not interested in a tribal tattoo. So I get where you're coming from. But then as I started deep diving it more, I was like, this is something we need to look into. What are the important things? What type of power was, was, you know, used as leverage? Was it modeling contracts? Was it threats of violence? Was it promised to access? Who went to what lengths to cover it up? And what if it was just access? And that's embarrassing for everyone. That's. a star that's interested in fame.

It's American dream and American downball. But it could be also access to money and access to parties. It's complicated. The human desires, you know. I see. I think that's what he was playing on. I think that's the main. A lot of his emails that are interesting in this drop is he likes to talk about time travel,

like psychology. Like he was interested in, he really thought he knew like a lot. He really thought a lot about himself. Intellectually. Yes. He was pretty smart. He makes sense he wanted children in the room because it makes sense. It makes him feel even smarter.

Had Drubon in the room, I don't know how confident. This cycle could have maybe stopped. This guy really had to have been a psychopath. Real psychopath. It's like that guy that wants to like read their book naked to you. And you're like, whoa. Like that's how.

I hope you have not had that happen. Someone asked that once. And I'm like, no, one time a guy asked me and my friends, he's like, I just wrote a book. Do you mind if I like masturbate and read this book to you? And I was like, can you leave my house? He goes, I just figured, I just figured I would ask. Like it's just a weird kink for me.

It's a better playing Wonderwall on the acoustic guitar. I'm so, honestly, that might be worse. I'm embarrassed by everybody. Both are equally awful. Wonderwall might be worse.

I get very embarrassed by all my peers with Y chromosomes. Yeah. So keep going. So I interrupted you. You were saying the human piece, which I'm fascinated by. Right, right.

The human desire. I mean, he was so intelligent. He knew a lot about human behavior. So he knew how to play that. I found an email last night where he sent to a girl and he said, here's the three rules for dinner parties.

First, never say fuck. Second, never give a man your opinion. You're still in your 20s. They do not care what you think. And even in your 30s, they might not care that much either. And the third was you need to invest in yourself and you can't just assume you're going to marry rich.

You need to find something and be passionate and I'll pay for whatever schooling you need. That was part of the grooming process right there. He did that a number of times. And the girl replied and goes, thank you so much. You're changing. I promise I'll be better.

She's in her 20s. Ugh. Now I'm embarrassed by all the extra whoso. Actually, hearing Epstein's voice on the phone, I'd never heard it until last night. It's a Brooklyn Swagger. It just, it, he sounds a lot different than I expected. Didn't you see the depositions and things? You see the that stuff?

What do you mean? He did video depositions. I just started watching them. Like, up until now, like, there was not a lot. There's a documentary about him. Yeah, I watched it. But it was his call with A.U. Barack.

I don't know if I'm not saying his name correctly, but it was a call where Epstein's telling the Israeli. Is he the prime minister, Caleb? No, he was the head of the military. Military defense or something. So he was stepping down and Epstein was trying to tell him, like, this is how you're going to enter the private sector. I look inside the Nancy Pelosi syndrome. How do they make a bunch of money from government? So he was teaching people how to do it. And his suggestion was, I heard there's this guy that like runs everything named Peter Thiel. I don't know him,

but I'm going to meet him soon. And then he was like, how do you spell it? And then Abstein was like, P-A-L-A-E-N-T-I-E-R. And then, like, repeats it back. So now today on X, everyone's like, Epstein didn't know how to spell Palantir. Sure. But it does show that he was saying in that call that people owed him favors and that that was the leverage for him to move into this private sector and still stay wealthy.

Yep. It makes sense. Go ahead. So human frailty. I mean, power and manipulation. I don't know how much more I can give you, Dr. But how about the people that were... What's the answer you're looking for?

No, I'm not looking for an answer. I'm kind of fascinated by the people that are turned on by all that. The ones that go towards it. Dork. Go towards it as in like they're like, oh, I would have done the same thing. I would have been okay with it or... It reminds me of physicians who take care of famous people and get turned on by it. And they, like Conrad Murray, they always end up in a fucking.

disaster. It's always a disaster. It's always because you're, you're now, your judgment is off. And of course, the celebrity goes, oh, you're the best doctor. Only you can help me and say, oh. And then they get to go tell that story to their friends. Well, and more importantly, it's if they want medications and some sleeping pills and some painkillers. And then you don't do it. I'm going to destroy your career. You're the worst doctor ever. Then they get stuck in it. But the whole thing kind of reminds me that people are like, oh, this guy's got so much money and so much influence. Maybe I can start a business or maybe you can, uh, uh, or. And then. And then while I'm there, oh my God, these hot chicks.

Oh, who the fuck knows how people get sucked into this thing? People really wanted Epstein's approval and they wanted his backing. For example, Kanye recently just signed over with Gamma Records and that's Larry Jackson. And Larry Jackson's name was found in the documents. And it's somebody emailing Epstein saying, I've got this guy that's into music. He's really great. Blah, blah, blah. And Epstein replies like, basically something like cool story, bro, I just need to see the numbers.

So Epstein was very like about the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone wanted a piece of it in the business world. And at that time, Larry Jackson probably didn't even know. He might not have known what Epstein. He might not even know that guy was speaking on his behalf. Yeah. But I don't think everyone going into it knew.

Dr. Drew, if you're asking how to cure people's lack of discernment and desire for. No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm just, I'm just, I hope people can learn a lesson from this, you know, that you should, your ethical compass has to be in front of you all the time. You've got to have due north. Just know where due north is. Don't lose your way. How do we teach girls?

Like you're young and you are beautiful. And maybe when you walk into a room, you feel like maybe people are looking at you. It's because they are. They all came from fucked up families. So the first thing would be good families, right? Well, you can't do that. What the teachers, education, you know, things online. And then my profession needs to, to the extent that they can help them when they're.

If they're going sideways, yeah. And then we have to create consequences for this. So that's my next question. And it doesn't see. Who's going to get hurt? Who's going to get hurt? And remember, you have to be able to prove this in a court of law. I wanted to start with a journalist who covered it up for a long time.

I wanted to start with a journalist in the media who knew these stories for decades in New York City and didn't tell the stories and silence the Miami reporters like Julie K. Brown who tried to make a difference and we're not allowed to. Start with the media and say, we know that you shut up because you. You wanted to go to the parties and the money and then this and the that. But if you're going to... Is that her? No, she tried to speak out and they cut her off. The people, like Jessica Krause on substast who's made hundreds... I don't know how much money she's made.

Over a million. You know, saying that these victims are all liars. Why, she should be deplatform. Substac should be ashamed of themselves for making so much money on the backs of teenage survivors, honestly. And then the politicians, you know, that's a... pipe dream, Dr. Drew, but as someone in the media, I personally would like to see the media held responsible first and then the politicians. But I don't know where to start. I don't know where to start. And how, what would that mechanism be? Well, I think all of us need to keep coming

together because they probably weren't even going to, if we didn't keep pushing it online and like that, we really put the pressure on them. Massey put the pressure on them. Well, Massey has another. They all put the pressure on. And Massey has another bill apparently is presenting to be able to get the rest of it. He wants the rest of it. He said, we're not done. fighting. And the CIA part apparently is in that. Yeah, this is not sufficient. Yeah. And, and, but let's, let's just sort of look at what we have. What you've gotten is a big download, a lot of stuff. Are you satisfied? Did it do, you know, why are we so interested? It's too early to tell. There's three million files. Today, I'm looking up cream cheese and I know Jeffrey Epstein's

bagel order. He looked, like in New York, like there's emails and emails about his diet, which was pretty good. Did you look up me? Did you look up torture? Because I know some stuff came out on that. We did. Yeah, we did. Yeah, it wasn't great. He had fun.

He had fun being in power over women, young women. Oh, wow. Influencer who is photographed celebrating with a binder of Epstein documents is now ripping into his victims. Who could that be about? Who could that be about someone we unfortunately used to work for? And we are a little bit annoyed because we're like, we had no idea this was happening. It's on our resumes now.

It's on her LinkedIn. I don't have a resume. My whole portfolio. A lot of my portfolio is, under the umbrella of a woman who bullied Virginia Joufrey. And Maria Farmer. And continues to? Oh, today she said, yesterday she said she wants to frame the Epstein files and put it up in her Laguna Beach office.

And there are. They are using it as a badge of honor because they have to double down because if she admits, yeah, I was a parrot for Prince Andrew and Galane Maxwell. Her entire brand and credibility is dead. And she has to pretend this is just one big joke and that she's going to frame it and get a little. little frame from CB2 and put it up next to her Flamingo estate candle. And then do a little stanch. And then we didn't really get into the, the wacky stuff, you know, eating babies and all these kind of things.

You know, and do it? I haven't gotten Don that rabbit hole yet. Have you? I typed in ritual. Really nothing came up. Yeah, ritual just massage. Only one joke came up. So I think, I think we should be very.

I heard an email where they talked about should I do or should I torture. her and they... Yeah, there was one email about torture. I think we should be very circumspect about things that are reported. You know, people are calling in FBI reports and stuff. It's one thing to have email evidence. It's another thing to go, somebody reported that George Bush was in there. I mean, I don't know what that is. George Bush was having gay sex.

No, I think we should definitely use our discernment when we're going through the files. And there's also people that are obviously grifting on acts that are making fake photos to go viral and make money. They're putting paywalls up on... Yeah, people putting... scam behind a paywall, like, it's sick. But I think if you just look through it, you can decide for yourself. Yeah. It's not like people knew that.

It's not like random people now were to submitting stuff. This is like years and years of tips. I understand. I get it. Caleb, is there something wrong with our restream? I'm suddenly unable to get any of the chat there. We just got canceled. Did we get kicked off something?

I think we're still up. I know we're not on TikTok, but what's really making me upset is that. There was these mega influencers that were just, oh, I hate those dirty dams. We're going to get them dirty dams. And then they're what? Dirty Dens. We care about the children. And now they are saying nothing.

Crickets. It's like they are told to shut up. And instead, they're deflecting by talking about, oh, God, bad buddy is going to be a dress. And it's like, oh, we got to go watch Kid Rock. See a picture at the Super Bowl. And it's like, you guys, what do you actually stand? for. And I feel like if more people could just be brave and not care what these white

heat men or whatever color they are in the suit. Yeah. These old flocks, why do they care? Like, why are they trying to get the approval? Like, I've been to these political parties. They're not that fun. They're not that fun. I have to take Adderall and do shots to enjoy myself. So that's when I know I'm not having a good time if I have to be drunk. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. So these people are like giving up their careers for a check and to get a. approval. People who are never cool for their whole life. They turn 42 and they get one chance to go to a party and they'll throw everything away just to finally their whole lives waited to like feel alive. And now they're like, oh, the dopamine of these likes on Instagram and President Trump like says I'm smart and he knows me by name. It's like, oh my God, can something else matter to you? Can your dopamine come from anything else, please? Yeah. It's really embarrassing. Do you think that same feeling also applies to the people who got involved in Epstein like in a way of like, These were also their old, that's the, that's the whole point.

That's the irony. That's the whole point. Yeah. Yeah. It really is very interesting. The cycle continues. It's really interesting to see some of these people that they're like literal billionaires and at the top of their field and yet have this horrible imposter syndrome that never goes away no matter how much money they make. Like they still feel like their week.

Imposter syndrome. When I have $100 or $1, I feel this name. Let me ask this. You're different. Back to the sexual part of it. It just occurred to me. Why don't they just hire a madam and have prostitutes? It's not exciting.

They want to go to an island. Also, like, the, like, yeah. Maybe they did. Maybe they also did that. Dominates charts are actor performers. Some people, like, want to see the fear in someone's eyes when they're raping them. Like, men really do enjoy that. Yeah.

I'm naive. I really am. I have denial about that. Do you have any terrible friends? Not like that. Okay, that's good. Do you? Yeah.

Yeah. I've cut them off. I mean, I'm. I also, some, you don't know your friends are into that stuff. Like, I bet a lot of people are looking at the files, surprised it by some of the things that they're finding out. I'm shocked.

Yeah. I'm shocked. Is there anything that's shocked to you so far? Well, I've learned to accept anything. And I see the word whatever is on my lips all the time. Whatever, it's okay. But yeah, things shock me all the time. But in this release?

The whole thing makes me, I'm like, yeah, sex addiction is writ large in a lot of this. Yeah. And the fact that it's untreated and, you know, people don't identify it. And we're not having that conversation about it bothers me. And the whole thing makes me feel sad. I'm like, I'm like Melinda Gates. It's all very sad. I agree.

Like if some of these people came forward and they were honest and said, this is what happened. I mean, Peter Attell told his story, but these men have to take accountability. You know, now it's out and it's time to really, you know, address that. And get them help. Maybe one comes forward. Maybe the others would. come forward and say, I'm so sorry. I was goaded.

I was tempted and I'm so sorry. I was trying to lose my job. Or they saw it and they didn't report it. Like Peter Attia is a mandated reporter. Oh, I don't think you saw it. There's no way. Well, they're making jokes about women and he's sending pictures and, you know, it's, but it just had to be clear to some of these guys.

People are saying, I don't want to always bring things to Kanye, but today I was like, I did see a tweet that. that's going viral right now. And it says, why did Kanye have to take out an entire page apology in the Wall Street Journal to apologize for some statements he made? But not a single Epstein prodiger has to say anything. And there's no consequences. People invented the phrase locker room talk, locker.

The phrases that they've made for Boys Club to normalize this stuff way long ago. I mean, that's why they protected themselves already culturally with those things. So, by the way. What about Kanye? Kanye is looking pretty good right now, right? I mean, the Clinton. By comparison. I mean, he apologized.

He apologized, yeah, because they basically, I mean, he had to. He's banned from performing in the United States. I don't see anybody else apologizing from the rest of the Grammys. Oh, yeah, Kanye looks good. I thought you meant like he's in shape. No, no, no, I'm saying. He's looking compared to the other. He looks great.

He was a superfood bar if you're asking. Yeah, no, I think Kanye's doing great. I think the fact that he does feel some remorse and does feel some guilt for what, I mean, how come no one else? You know, I was, we've had conversations about other influence paddlers and things. But I think the 70s was such a horrible decade. And so much of these attitudes in men got cultivated then. This is where they cut their teeth. Weinstein came out of the 70s.

Epstein came out of the 70s. They were raised on this idea that, hey, man, whatever you're into, it's all cool. And it's a, it was, to me, that's the most destructive decade in American history, in my opinion. I agree. I wasn't there. I was there. And I watched it. was not good. They were there. It wasn't as fun

as people make it out to me. I was an adolescent. It all rained down. Is that why you're a psychologist now? I mean, he was on Love Lime for 25 years. Did you wear Lottom? You were 30 years talking about sex? You did? Of course. You did? Everybody who did? We need to see those photos, Caleb. Did anybody not wear Bell bottoms in 1976? I mean, if you

had short hair, had to have, hair had to cover your ear. Even look at, look at Captain Steuben on the love boat. Completely bald. Little room of hair had to come over his ear. Important. Interesting. It had to be blow dried over his ear.

This was the weirdest thing. Which brings me to another question. Like the drug situation in Epstein Island. Is there like proof of them doing a lot of drugs? He was very so bad. I mean, when I saw the picture of Andrew with that woman who was laying, who laid dead on the floor and was looking up, he looked like he had been using drugs for a really long time. Yeah. Have we confirmed if that photo is real?

I'm not quite sure. I know Jeffrey himself, a lot of people have said that he. He was very sober, but I don't think he would mind if those around him were completely inebriated. Yeah, I haven't found a lot of stuff about drugs in the documents yet. That was, I haven't a lot of... I thought I saw something like... No, it said he wanted the girls sober. I thought I read that.

That he preferred the women, girls and women, whoever it was. Children. Sober. That's even more bizarre. I think they, in one of the documents, I think it's sad we do not want you coming over drunk. It's like, power is an aphrodisiac. They did not want... Where is Diddy, on the other hand.

always was giving Molly and giving, it was a totally different scenario. And I also am like, think about how much Diddy went through. Did he? But like, how come none of the people in the Epstein files

are having to say anything? Because he's dead? But not all of the predators and the co-conspirators are still alive. How many women do they think have died from this incident? Well, definitely one in Michigan whose baby was like thrown off a boat.

Do you guys not know that story? No. Okay. There is a teenage girl that was allegedly impregnated by a president. And when she gave birth, her uncle who was friends with the alleged president, allegedly took the baby and threw it into the Lake Michigan. Is that been verified or is that just a tip? That was part of the files. Okay. So are they going to investigate that? I guess that's what we need to find out. No one's telling me what the FBI's future plans are. I didn't know if you were fed. Which president? The sitting president.

I believe. Right? It's about the sitting president? I believe it's about the sitting president. Trump? Mm-hmm. That was like one of the first thing that came out the other day. It was all over.

Why? I didn't catch you guys. Did you guys see Trump's response to the CNN reporter that asked, hey, how do you feel about the justice for survivors? Let's talk about this. Let's talk about. He said you don't smile and you never smile. You know, you know, that's the problem with you. You'd never smile.

What's the psychology of that? A reporter who is credentials, who goes through a lot to get credentials, is trying to ask a, it's a decades-long job to be a reporter in the White House. She also wasn't accusing him of anything. Just asking a question, what's this psychology? I had to, you know, I had to watch for a long time, the daily one-hour podcast from a guy named Scott Adams, who is a persuasion and hypnotist expert and cartoonist.

And he, I had a little trumped arrangement in 16. And he said, no, no, no, this is a technique he uses. He's been trained to do this by these various, he had all these different schools of thought in this. And I know nothing about persuasion. And so I'm like, okay, tell me more. And it kind of calmed me down. Like he apparently has some sort of technique he's using.

And when he does stuff that seem inexplicable to me, like this is one of them. Apparently, there's usually some sort of intent behind it. If you were a hypnotist, you'd understand it. Or if you were, there's a guy named Chaldini that does persuasion. It sort of, they all sign off on this stuff. And to me, it just looks inexplicable. Trump knows that his really loyal followers are going to not care what he does. Because if he, there was a video of him doing anything, they're going to say it's AI.

And then the people that have TDS, they are going to pretend a video exist of him. So it's like people have made up their minds about Donald Trump. But this is the world we live in. That's the thing. We live in a, we live in kind of this world. And then a few of us live in the middle. Yeah, I try to live there. And we live in this world.

It's sort of, it's, I don't want to say it's post-truth, but it's where you can look at something and to have two people going to have the entirely different perception of what happened. That's exactly what I was writing about the other day. It's called like the art of confusion right now. They, I think AI in these companies, they know we are being bombarded with information. So they are using AI images to make us doubt our own two eyes. And that's why people. are starting to not trust that. Yeah, we don't know what to trust anymore. So we're just going to believe whatever truth we decide on. It's easier. Sheesh. We have to come up with a way of the-

It's going to be a time of collective intuition. If we're going to have any real change, it's going to be because people go, you know what, you're not going to fool me anymore. I don't care what you think you're going to tell me. We've lived through enough conspiracies in the last 26 years, right? Like, 9-11 was like, that was like the first one. A lot of us went through. So I think that it's about collective intuition at this point. All right. So let's kind of wrap this up. You guys have been very passionate, kind in terms of sharing. I like that. I actually do agree with Susan, though. Once I saw he kind of wear the green. I feel bad. I said it wasn't the color in the beginning. I'm now noticing it. It looks good on. Because his eyes have that color in them. Yeah. But he is a winter, I think.

A winter? Yeah. Winter colors. So Drew likes wearing the same thing every day. And I keep telling him, you know, people are going to be watching your streams because I retweet and retweet. And I, when you see him on the show and he comes on with the same color, people are just going to think. Oh, they think it's the same episode. Yeah. So I'm like, you got to wear a hat today or something. He's like, a business woman over there. A bunch of black t-shirts.

Well, it's just, he has this amazing wardrobe. And I'm like, why do you wear the same thing every day? I mean, he was wearing really old t-shirts, too, and they're all messed up. And I was like, put on one of the nice ones. Thank God. Wear some color. I know. I even changed a backdrop a little bit. I made it a little bluer. Oh, yeah. All of a sudden, it's blue.

Yeah, because I think it's not. When did you do that? I haven't noticed it until now. Yeah, I did. I have all these lights. I think it's fun. Okay, so let's kind of wrap it up. This was really interesting. What's coming? What should we? I'm glad you guys are going into this dark place. I told Emily, we need to be pacing ourselves and give ourselves milestones. Like next week, Galane Maxwell will be speaking in front of Congress. So I'm so sorry. Forgive me. I think it's next Friday. And what is the point of that?

She's going to be, she wants to name name. She goes, please give me my freedom. I'm not going down for all these men. She's got leverage right now and she knows how to play with it. So do you think it's going to happen? Or is she going to use that leverage just to get out of jail? I don't think that they announce congressional conversations that aren't going to happen. What are the hearings?

What are the nature of those hearings? To give more information. Maybe she wasn't interested in giving up names before. Maybe she's dying to get out. Maybe they're more desperate now than they were before. Maybe her lawyer, I mean, her lawyers, Barbie Sternheim, has the greatest security clearance anyone on the planet can have. I'm sure her lawyers have not stopped working for her since her sentencing.

So that will be very interesting, right? Right. So that'll be, should we call that actually accurate, whatever she does, whatever she says? It'll be intriguing and I'm sure we'll set off more information. And if we keep pacing ourselves out like this, we, there's, this is stamina. This is a test of stamina. Okay. So let's not get all spun out of it.

of shape about what's out there so far unless something really surprising comes out of the files, which we don't expect, right? Of course we expect it. Well, not until Thomas Massey gets the release of everything. I don't think, no, if we just discovered today that Prince Andrew photo is real, because someone just came across that email, just picture how many more, like, things we haven't discovered yet. Okay.

So you're expecting little, so what, where should people follow you, Brian, by the way? Brianna-L-L-O-L-L-O-G-O-N-S-B-R-N-N-N-N-A, by the way. Brianna Logan underscore on Instagram. Spell Brianna. B-R-I-A-N-N-A-L-G-A-N-U-G-A-N-U-Score. Okay, and that's on Instagram? Instagram and Substack, yes. And Emily knows everything, Instagram and Substack.

And you guys are going to be looking for these pearls. We've been doing that for five days straight. I flew in from Brooklyn to be here and to do this together, and we're kind of just like all systems go right now. Yeah. Have we covered adequately the territory today? No. I have a question from an X.

No, no, no. I mean, are you satisfied with the conversation so far today? Is there a territory we didn't get into? There's a question on X that I want to mention. Kelly, K-I-L-3-2-5-6 on X. I was just looking over here because we lost the restream thing, so you can't see their questions. But YouTube's still there.

But anyways, they want to know about the kids that are already harmed. And that's a really good question because... What to do about the kids are around? A lot of the not coming clean is because people are going to get sued and people are going to, you know, civilly get sued. Not making fun of people online is a great way to start. And encouraging others to lead with compassion and to have some values would be a great place to start to change the world.

I like the collective consciousness to pull out everything together as one too because this stuff is just getting so out of control. I do think good always wins in the end, so I'm hopeful. But boy, it's taken a long time. A really long time. We need to get Susan's show back on the air. so we can find out what some of the dead people again. People are saying on the other side.

By the way, Colby, who's one of her people, texted us. She said immediately. Don't tell her too much. Well, that she picked who Savannah Guthrie's mom was picked up by. Yeah. She's the one that they know. Yeah. Who they're suspicious.

She said it before the brother-in-law. I don't know if, yeah, maybe. Ashley, Badfield's getting a lot of pushback right now for reporting on that. Yeah, she may have walked into a robbery and got attacked and then maybe died or whatever. And then she kept saying, look at the, look at the bank accounts. Nancy Grace was on last night on Hannity. She was so good. She was like, there were droplets on the floor.

And that's like a lot of those. Her case in Anthony coverage is why I'm a journalist. I really, though. My show was right before hers. We had to do Casey Anthony because she was. was doing it. I thought you were after her. And then we found Jody Arias.

Right. Oh, this is the best. Oh, yeah. But she was in full form with her hair and makeup and her look and just, you know, her makeup was perfect. So it's not the brother alone. Okay. For a lot of us.

That's what the cops are currently denying. They're currently denying the report. But then I just recently within the past hour, they just put all the crime scene tape back up apparently within the past hour and are digging all around the property of the mother. currently. So who knows what's going to come tonight? Like with... Something's so bizarre about this. It's like it's not like

Savannah has like controversial opinions. She's like showing, you know... Like, here's out of make a pie. Yeah, she's like a QVC host of the Today Show. So it's like, what is going on? Potential inside job and she got, they got caught robbing her and blah, blah, blah. That's why I thought...

According to a psychic guy know. They want the Bitcoin. They want him Bitcoin. But I don't know for sure. Like, I don't know if I should even mention that, but... See, that's the part. I love my show. That's where I think that the ransom note itself is either a hoax or a distraction by the people who took her because criminals don't ask for money and Bitcoin anymore because Bitcoin is traceable. So it's either a very dumb criminal.

How about cartels? Well, cartels wouldn't use Bitcoin either. Like, Bitcoin is, it's traceable. So they would use something else like Monaro or something. What about Doge? Yeah, but if, I mean, and now it could be, I would, I would not expect every media outlet to just go with the generic. can just call it Bitcoin if the ransom note actually asked for it in a different type of currency. But they're all saying Bitcoin, which makes me think it's either a fake ransom note by some crazy

person. By the way, it's a distraction by the people who are kidnapped. The Clintons are testifying at the end of the month. There's a lot. Hillary said if she could pick the date, she would show up. That's because they didn't show up. I guess they had other things going on. I think that the Clinton thing.

I mean, the fact that we're only one month in is. A few days in. No, to the year. Like, we're not even to the year of the horse yet, you guys. We're still in. So true. Snake. I think the Clinton thing is them calling Trump's bluff

because they are going to be given a national platform to say anything that they want. And everyone's going to believe what they say just because they finally agreed to testify. But that doesn't mean they're going to go in there and tell the truth, but now they have a platform. It is. Yeah, that is a...

I don't get it. The opposite of Trump, they're going to be like, we're so, we're so innocent. We'll tell you anything. Is Hillary going to, like, describe every picture that he was in and what? This is her redemption arc. Yeah, this is. They're going to come. She'd be like, I'm sure of not locked up.

In a hot tub. She might be like, Trump. What about him? About Bill? Yeah. Not looking good for Bill. We're looking good for Bill. I haven't seen much about Hillary in the documents.

I learned about blowjobs for the first time during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. I was eight years old. And I was at my grandparents' house having dinner and he was like, I did not have. And I was like, what's any of this mean? Oh, boy. He should be really embarrassed forever. Yeah. You got impeached.

Well. That poor woman. Are we winding to a halt here? Are we good? I think that we've covered as much as we can today. I think. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. So follow these guys. Brianna, Ronda Logan underscore. Well, it's been very educational and entertaining because. And Emily knows everything. And if in her, Emily is entertaining as well, speaking of entertaining. And I laughed out loud at some of her stuff.

I don't know why. It's because it's funny. You laugh at stuff that's not supposed to be funny. You're like, that guy was weird in that comment. I'm not going to call out any names, but you know who you are. You smell worse than ups. But you're some of the stuff, some of the self-deprecating humor is very funny. Okay, good.

Right now, I'm not trying to do a lot of that. I'm trying to expose stuff. And some of the, some of the sort of incredulity is very funny. Like, like you're incredible. You can't believe it. Like you're incredulous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

It's a crazy world out there. You're an incredible woman. Go figure. It's a wild world. I agree. But let's keep an eye on it. Thank you for being here, ladies. I don't know if you're having us, Dr. Drew.

You should take this as an insult, but Boofy boy on Rumble. New guy. I don't know. But hi, Boofy. Oh, look, it's the Council of Estrogen. Woohoo. Hi, yes, thank you. Actually, I don't have much estrogen.

We had this whole conversation last night about estrogen. Wait, no, I do have a lot. Actually, yeah, you're right. It was just a sester, I don't have a lot of. Adam used to give me shit for being too estrogen. He fell counsel wrong. Oh, is he dumb? That's sad.

He did. He said, why would you go to that island? He probably went to that island. This, again, I, I, I'll do a boomer, too. That's true. Mr. Buffy? Actually, I'm part. I'd rather be called the Boomer than a Paddo right now.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, for sure. So true. Yeah. But literally, I'm part of the Jones generation. You heard about that group? You guys don't know about the Jones generation? Tell us more, please. We're millennials.

Yeah, you're millennials. But it was between Boomer and X, there was about an eight-year period, six-year period that didn't fall into either category. And we were busy trying to keep up with the Joneses because the boomers were just getting all with things. And we were like, holy shit, there's nothing left. The boomers took everything. So we tried, try, try it.

And some of us were able to succeed because of because of workaholism, frankly. That's you for me. That's true. We went through the recession. We were in the recession. We were in the 70s and stuff too. But we weren't in the 60s.

You know, we were the 70s generation, really. And we were workaholics and really serious work. Well, I know not to just like bring us back to Epstein, but I remember in the past, you've admitted that you never really feel fulfilled or satisfied. Like, even though you've accomplished. accomplished so much. You always feel like. I don't feel like I've done very much.

I feel like I've seen people are the same except they do feel like they've done it all and then they need to do something really creepy. And that's why they go. I think that's the mindset there. It's like, what haven't I done? And that's the only thing left. I've done so much for humanity. I can do this really bad thing.

Let me tell you, I am making a case for low self-esteem. I think so. It's a salvation. We have a low self-esteem. Men with low self-esteem. Me, because you figure you can, if you can do it, anybody can do it, a deal. And you take blame for everything and you don't feel special and all these boys. The opposite of what these guys are representing.

So let's, is this. Which is something Adam and I've been saying for a long time, which is that the self-esteem movement was a disaster. Disaster. Low self-esteem is an asset. She told me the other day, my self-esteem. You're like, you need to work on your self-esteem. I said, I think it makes me work harder. It does.

Yeah, it does. You shouldn't feel bad about yourself. But you should have said. I never feel like any accomplishment. I am like, you know, it's... What do you just say about me? No, it's Virgo's. Yes.

I know Mr. Boofy. I did bring it back to astrology, but you did think that was a problem. I just, I don't like seeing my friend not be proud of themselves. Why do we need? But then when we do,

then you might end up on the island. See, so what's an asset? There's always... You shouldn't feel bad about yourself and the low self-esteem shouldn't be... It shouldn't be troubling. It should be like, it's just a... Motivating.

It's just a... On a spectrum. Yeah, well, it's sort of a posture. It's just like, oh, I'm responsible for things. Yeah. I'm a special, and that's good. That's fine. Yeah.

So, okay, we're going to wrap it up. We appreciate to being here tomorrow. Caleb, put up the list. I think we have a... I want to have you guys back. It's more breaking news. Oh, for sure. We need you back.

Salty Cracker returns with Chef Cool. Cura Davis is going to fill in with me while we're in Poland next week. We have JP Sears coming on. We have a lot of stuff, Michael Shermer coming in. I've reading his book about Trubbock. Ruth. Kira Dave is going to fill in for me. And Mark,

we're going to try to do a show from Poland on the 12, which should be interesting. Mark Rubeer will... Between our... Feeder Schnitzel and sausage. You never stop. We're flying to Poland

with our housekeeper of 35 years. She had a stroke, and I'm taking her back to her family. She wanted to go Poland. She's 83 years old. And she's doing well. We're going to take her an 11-hour flight.

And then we're going to go hang around on Warsaw. and then fly to Vienna and go look at stuff we've never seen in Austria and then fly back on Valentine's Day. That's very sweet. That's a little bit. Everyone could just look at your relationship and just seek something normal. We'd be in a better place. It's kind of a work trip, but we're going to try to have fun with it.

I bet you will. I have a feeling you will. It's a lot of work. Getting somebody that stroke patient installed in another country. She has had to work full-time banks and Social Security and Polish government and family. I had to go to Social Security. Oh, my God. Travel.

I get logged out of her. Brianna needs a job. She was, she helped us raise our kids. We had triplets and she helped us raise our kids. And she was just, we just. She's been a really great home right now, Meridian Manor in South Pasadena, if anybody needs something for their mom. But we had a really good experience. She popped back like I asked the headmaster of Meridian Manor.

I said, how many of, how many of these ladies come back? Because a lot of them have dementia. She goes zero. And I go, oh, we're the only one. But she has a great doctor working for her. And she always surrounded herself with great people. A lot of doctors. She worked for a lot of doctors.

She was an attorney before she left, ran, fled communism. And ended up becoming my nanny, a housekeeper. So, you know, she worked hard up until, you know, she had her stroke. She showed up every day, like, at 8 o'clock. We were just sort of like, if you want to come, come. And she'd show up at 8 o'clock the morning and she loved my dog and she would take care of the dog and like it was her baby. And I don't know. It's just, it's really hard to find people who become a part of your family.

And it's very sad. It's very like my daughter was on a plane and saw an elderly lady on the plane. She got very wistful thinking about Teresa leaving. And, you know, I was showing her pictures of our life together and stuff. And I started crying. Yeah, because you're probably never going to see her. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like, you know, when you do.

when you do a celebration of life for somebody and you get all the pictures together and you cry. I was doing that, but I try to put something together for her with pictures of the kids. I only found one picture.

We didn't take a lot of pictures of her, but I found a really cute one of her when the kids were like five years old doing Halloween. Oh, wow, it's a long time. Yeah, she was there. Before we had kids. Before we got married.

Oh, wow, no wonder you're going to be married. She just put her card in the mailbox and one day I just said, I need a housekeeper. And she's such a hard worker, but she's doing great. And I get her home. Does that make Teresa the longest Penske employee out of us all? Yes. Wow.

She survived. Well, wait, yeah, she has to be because that would mean that she was working with you guys before I was even born. She put up with me. Before you were bought her. You got a lot to do to come out like that anymore. If you ever have a stroke, you know, I'll take care of you. I'm looking at the Rumble Rants. And Susan, thanks for pointing out, Susan, that's good to know.

Scotty 7688 is a good bowler. Scottie's a bowler. Bowling. Thank you. All right, guys. Thank you for all for being here. We appreciate it. We went along today intentionally because we wanted to hear this update.

I appreciate the earlier guests. They were very interesting. We'll get updates from them as well. And I'm so glad you guys came in person. Thank you for having us. Thank you for being here. You did a great job. Oh, good.

Appreciate you coming out. I'm worried it was going to be a fist fight. No, why? Why are you going to do a fist fight? Maybe we will do a calling out. You never know what happens on podcasts. That's true. I guess that's right.

You guys are little... Yeah, we're a little riled up. You're a team. We come like that. Astrogen panel. I see a New York and us. They're going to go watch Reductive, redacted or whatever.

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