Ask Dr. Drew - 21 Felonies: Pediatrician Dr. Shareen Ismail Charged For “Vaccine Fraud” As NY Sends Agents To Raid Her Nurses’ Homes w/ Dr. Tess Lawrie & Attorney Chad Davenport – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 619

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

New York is waging a war against a pediatrician who dared to stand up for medical freedom, charging her with 21 felonies related to vax records of her patients. Without a trial, the state labeled Dr. Shareen Ismail a “fraud,” suspended her access, and reportedly deleted her 7-year-old son’s immunization records – allegedly in an effort to portray her as an anti-vaxxer who was providing fake immunization records for her patients. Dr. Ismail and her attorney Chad Davenport join Dr. Drew to expose the state’s terrifying weaponization of the justice system and the attempts to destroy her life in family courts. Dr. Tess Lawrie from the World Council for Health returns to the show to reveal explosive new findings regarding the WHO, and shares an exclusive look ahead at the massive USA Better Way Conference. Dr. Tess Lawrie is a medical doctor and research consultant based in the UK. She is CEO of Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy (E-BMC Ltd.) and EbMC Squared, a founding member of the BiRD group, and co-founder of the World Council for Health. She served as an external consultant to the WHO from 2012 to 2021 as a Guideline Methodologist. Follow at https://x.com/lawrie_dr Dr. Shareen Ismail, MD is a specialist in pediatric emergency medicine and founder of The Alexandre Centre for Children’s Health in Manlius, NY. She completed her fellowship in pediatric emergency medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine in 2013 and has over 16 years of experience in the field. Learn more at https://instagram.com/alexandrecentreforchildren/ Chad Davenport is a New York litigator and founder of Davenport Law. Since starting his practice in 2019, he has handled 50+ civil rights cases with media coverage from CNN, Fox News, and The New York Times. He is the attorney for Dr. Shareen Ismail. Find more at https://davenport.law 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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lack of control that patients and physicians have. And to that point, I'll be speaking to Dr. Shereen Ismail. She's a pediatrician who was targeted with 21 felonies. Vaccine fraud, don't you know? I can't wait to see how this happened. And they're going after her license. Her attorney is going to come in and join us as well. That is Chad Davenport. He's a New York litigator, founder of Davenport Law. You can follow him at Davenport Law 716, which is his ex-handle, also Davenportlaw.law. Law, that is. And for Dr. Ismail, let me see if I can find her particulars here. Caleb, I don't know if you gave those to me. I've just got an Instagram, which is Alexander Center for Children. Dr. Ismail is a physician, specialist, and PDA,

pediatric emergency medicine, founder of this, the Alexander Center for Children's Health in Mandelis, New York, fellowship in PEDAC ER Medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine in 2013, 16 years of experience serving children and families, and exactly the kind of person we want to make sure doesn't practice medicine. It is the most bizarre thing in the world when we are jettisoning physicians, highly skilled, highly trained, highly experience at a time when there are shortages. It's just insane. We'll hear what happened to her right after this.

Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Love Line all the time. educated adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help.

I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And a reminder, we are taking your calls at 8333DRAW. And Caleb, you're going to have to tell me what to do here because I heard Tess Lori just slipped in at the last minute. And I do want to be conch cognizant of her time zone being in the UK. I don't want to stay here later than necessary. It being nine hours later there.

Give me a recommendation. I will follow suit. It says that she's here, but I don't actually see her on camera. So I think let's go ahead and go. And if we have to get her on tomorrow, then we can do that. Or later on in the show,

if she's still here in 30 minutes. Fair enough. All right, Dr. Shereen Ismail is, as I explained, a specialist in pediatric emergencies. She's 16 years practicing. You can follow her Instagram, Alexander with an RE, I believe it's spelled, Center RE for Children,

which is kind of interesting. Maybe that's a miss spelling. And she's now been adjudicated with 21 or been accused of 21 felonies. I want to hear how this happened. And again, lawfare and judicial excesses seem to be completely on the loose. Dr. Ismail, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much.

I'm really grateful to be here. Thank you. What happened? Well, multiple things have happened. So I opened my own practice in late 2024 and I decided to open my practice to alternative forms of medicine. I was trained very traditionally in pediatric emergency medicine, general pediatrics. Over the course of my career, I've just become more and more open to, different forms of healing, different ways of healing. I'm very interested in root cause medicine, which I don't feel is given the attention that it deserves amongst the pediatric community.

So I founded this center with the idea that the children in our community would sort of have like a medical home, and we would have as many specialists or as many experts under one roof as possible to make things streamlined for the families and to really accommodate their wishes and their health care journey and to be true partners in their health. Very, very soon after I opened the practice, my son was excluded from school with four hours notice. I was not given an opportunity to appeal his reentry, the school just promptly, for lack of a better term, kicked him out with no opportunity to re-enroll.

And I was served with subpoenas from the Department of Health investigating my practice, investigating my child's medical history. And then I was excluded from the NIS Center, which is a database that allows you to just track and log vaccines for children. And then two weeks after that, I was served another subpoena. And then two months after that, I was arrested. And about a month later, I was indicted on multiple felonies accusing me of fraudulent records. not just for my own son, but for some patients in my practice. So this is sort of where we are now. What was the objection?

What was the objections your son being at school? So the accusation was that they didn't believe that he was vaccinated. And in New York State, there is a mandate for all children to have certain childhood vaccines to be enrolled in the school, to have access to education, to have access to camps, to have access to busing, therapy, so on and so forth. We don't have any exemptions in the state of New York, like most states around the country. So a lot of states have philosophical exemptions to the mandates, have personal exemptions to mandates, have religious exemptions to mandates, have medical exemptions to mandates.

We don't have any of those exemptions here. Let me start with the facts. Was he vaccinated? Yes. Why couldn't they access his records, vaccination records? So they went into the database and they wiped his record multiple times. Who's they? The New York State Department of Health.

So I want to make sure I understand what the allegations you're making are, which is that your son, was he fully vaccinated? Did he miss some of the vaccines? Was there anything amiss on his record? He's only had the ones that are required for school age entry for New York State. So he's not been given flu vaccines. He's not been given COVID vaccines. He's not been given meningitis. He's not been given rhodovirus. He's not been given hepatitis. A, so there are some vaccines he has not had. So I've only given him the mandatory ones for school entry. But he did have hepatitis B. He had hepatitis B, but not A. Yes, correct. And again, let's be clear.

A, never before were we, A was a travel vaccine when you traveled to endemic areas. And B, I was involved in some of the research around hepatitis B back in the early 80s. And that was, we were worried about what's called vertical transmission in China at the time because they had a problem with that. We were not worried about hepatitis B in this country unless you were an IV drug user or a health care provider, in which case, we got the vaccine. And so it sounds like he got T-DAP and he got measles and he got measles and he got measles of rebella and all that kind of stuff. And so you're an anti-vaxxer, right? So I actually, you know, I, I, I do. don't have, to be totally honest, I don't have a whole lot of experience with vaccines because I've

spent my whole career in the emergency room until very recently. So when I opened the practice, I just said, let's have everything available to the families and allow them to choose, right? So for me, individual, personal and civil rights are super important. And I believe that the parents should have full autonomy over their child's health. And so I had things available in the center for the parents to give to their children if they were to choose or opt for it. I never push anything on the families. A lot of the parents that come here are extremely educated. They're very well-versed and well-read, especially in medicine. A lot of the times they defer to sort of my expertise or my opinion, but we make those decisions in collaboration and not

unilaterally. So it's not a big topic to be totally honest in our center because the people that come here are focused on holistic wellness. So they're focused on whole child health. And a lot of the times they're specifically here for complicated medical issues that extend beyond primary care world. So they can get their vaccines sort of anywhere, you know, with their pediatrician, you know, who may not be me with, you know, the pharmacist. grocery store, Department of Health, you know, that kind of thing. So in our center, we talk more about sleep, nutrition, mental health, exercise, milestones, skin issues, you know, GI issues. It's not really, we don't spend a whole lot of time discussing the vaccines unless it's something

that they particularly want to focus on. I don't have any personal feelings about vaccines. I'm kind of like along with the rest of the population, sort of learning about them more and more every day. But I'm neutral on this topic. You want them, you want them, you don't, you don't. But, you know, I'm not here to push anything down anyone's throat. And so by opening this center, did you upset someone? Did you make enemies in providing these kinds of services?

How did that work? You would not think so. there's a really big shortage in our community for primary care, as there is in many communities. There's a really big shortage of access to a physician, as you know. So one of the bigger complaints the community was expressing was an inability to access a medical doctor or a doctor of osteopathy. So just like a DO or an MD. And so I wanted to elevate the quality and the level of care that they were

receiving. And I wanted to have the care accessible to them at all times. And I really didn't come in with any rules. I said, you know, you can continue collaboration and care with your other doctors. And we will work in tandem with your team. We'll work in tandem with your medical providers. You don't have to choose to just come here. You can come here for anything that, you know, you're seeking and utilize any of our services and continue care with your other doctor if you want. So I don't think we really came into the community competing. I really thought we were coming in with just a really nice addition and increased access to care. Initially, the hospital system seemed really excited that there was another doctor coming, that there was more access to pediatrics.

They wanted to send us their medical students for learning, their residents for learning, their fellows. I spoke with a lot of colleagues and specialists from the university hospital that they're, here in Syracuse. And they were very excited about us coming. And I worked very hard to collaborate with specialists, reach out to them, let them know that we were here if they were full and couldn't take on more patients or they had patients with complicated disorders, happy to help them and work with them and take those patients. So I didn't get the feeling initially that I was being met with some hostility.

But as time went on, it was very clear that. You know, it's, it's, we weren't welcome, you know, unfortunately. And what, what was it that was at issue? I don't understand. Did they feel that you were undermining their recommendations as maybe an oncologist or something? Or do they feel, or that you were stealing primary care patients, so to speak? What, and was there a particular person that was the one making the complaints that, you know, that it feels like that? Yeah, I think the vaccine issue came up very early. So in our community, and I don't really know how it is in most communities, but in our community, children do not have access to medical care unless they follow the CDC vaccination schedule. So 99% of pediatricians in our area will say, if you have a child that is not compliant with the CDC vaccination schedule.

So 99% of pediatricians in our area will say, if you have a child that is not compliant with the schedule as dictated by the Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics, you are not welcome in our practice. So oftentimes these patients will get discharge or dismissal letters from the practice. And so the kids are left without any medical care. So a lot of the kids that I've seen have had no checkups for years. They often get threatened with child protective services. They get threatened by the school. They get threatened by the hospital systems. They are literally afraid to go to the emergency room, to go to urgent care because they know they're going to be asked as the child vaccinated.

And they won't be offered any type of care or guidance. And so I sort of became a haven for like misfits, I think is what happened. And it wasn't on purpose by any means. I just came in with a non-judgmental perspective. So it happened sort of naturally. We also had a, we have multiple specialists at the Alexander Center. And so we were offering vaccine detox around the time just after. COVID. And that went around social media like wildfire in our community that we were dangerous

because we were detoxing from the heavy metals. What were you using? Heavy metals. You weren't doing anything for the spike. Yeah. So I don't personally do it. We have a practitioner in the group that does do vaccine detox and he does it with pellet therapy. And so we were offering that as, you know, as a service, basically, for anybody that wanted it. So the island of misfit toys has to be completely obliterated. Sorry. Yeah. Wasn't that?

Yeah. Wasn't that Rudolph? Isn't that that cartoon? Yeah. But it's, it's, it's again, one story after another about the overreach of public health. This is the thing that gets me. Public health has got too much power, too much authority. Is the public health officials, at least, is it county or state that are giving you the biggest headaches?

And are those both physicians, at least? So it's the State Department of Health. And to my understanding, there are no physicians involved. These are all either politicians or attorneys, administrators. But there are no physicians. involved at this level. Yeah. So it's all, it's all sort of coming from the state. And it's the state that encouraged my child's school to pursue criminal charges and send the police to my practice to have me arrested. Yeah. You're not an anti-vaxxer. Your son was fully vaccinated. Somebody

fraudulently erased his records. Somebody, I'm going to find, I'm going to get your attorney in here to talk to me more about that piece, if that's okay. Because that's, it is all like, it sounds like, you know, something out of a movie or something, right? I mean, you're going to do a documentary on this because it's too much. Yeah. It seems surreal. Yeah. You really can't believe it.

Yeah. But it is, it sounds like justice has to be served at some point. But I know how these states are. And it's just, they run amok. All right. 8333-3-D-R-A-W if you want to talk to Dr. Dismayal. Her attorney is going to join us after this. Test Lori towards the top of the hour, like in about half an hour or so.

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All right. We've been talking to Dr. Shereen Ismail. She's a pediatric emergency medicine doctor and she founded the Alexander Center for Children's Health in the state of New York in Menlius and was welcomed with a bunch of subpoenas and arrests and felony accusations. And her attorney joins us as well right now. That is Chad Davenport. You can follow him on Davenportlaw.com as well as on ex-davimport Law 716. We also have a caller on hold.

Pete, hang on a second. I want to get to your question once we get to know, Chad a little bit here. Thank you for being here, Chad. Thank you very much for having me, Dr. Drew. And I apologize, too, for having all the law and legal stuff and all of my handles. I'm sure that got very confusing reading through it. I can't imagine why you would have that. You're a lawyer.

Why would you put legal matters in your public candles? I can't understand. But I thank you for helping Dr. Ismail out. The story is really too much. First of all, Dr. Ismail seems very not just competent, but very persuasive. Like she's telling the truth. So I can't make sense of all this. not the source here. What has happened to her? Well, I got to be honest with you. It's been the most

horrifying escalation by government authorities that I've ever seen in my entire career. And I know the first thing that your listeners are probably going to notice is that I'm a younger attorney. You know, I was a partner at a local law firm and I ran a civil rights practice. I actually started the practice group there. I left to start my own firm in July of last year, continuing to work on civil rights cases. And I've been working quite a bit on what I would call the worst civil rights issue that I've ever dealt with. And it pertains to these vaccine waivers. It pertains to doctors who just want to allow their patients to exercise vaccine choice. There's a real problem with New York State and the New York State Department of Health

allowing that to happen. And unfortunately, Shireen was wrapped up in it. And she was one of my first clients that I've worked with and we've been continuing to work with her since. And, you know, we could go through, I think when I counted, it's six legal proceedings that they've subjected her to at this point. And they're hitting her from every different direction. But the escalation has been just absolutely horrifying from where we started in September into where we are now. So I guess just to kind of me as a couple of things. Let me add to a couple questions. The sort of thought bubble over my head is what happened to her son's vaccine records? That's a bizarre wrinkle in this story. And then number two, what are they asking her to do?

What does compliance look like if she were to comply? Well, that's a great question. And honestly, what I'm going to tell you is this. The New York State Department of Health, essentially what they did is they manufactured criminal charges by taking the vaccines that were already entered into their database were already validly entered. And they deleted all of those vaccines. And they deleted them in mid-November. And that was only after, you know, Shireen had involved me as her attorney. Like she said, they had served her with subpoenas shortly after they started this investigation. We rejected those subpoenas. They put her on the fraud awareness website. We ended up filing what's called a notice of claim to initiate a claim against New York State for defaming her by putting

her on that website. And so it was just escalation after escalation. So after we filed the notice of claim, that was when they decided that they were going to delete her child's vaccine records out of the NISIS, which is the vaccine database for New York State. And then they basically took that information and said, okay, we're going to take all of those vaccines out that were validly entered and then we're going to backtrack and say when you submitted your vaccine records for your child in the prior school year and for this school year those were fraudulent records because your child was never vaccinated. How do they get away with that?

What is the what is I mean you've got them dead dead to rights watching the if you've seen what you've got the evidence of what they've done. How do they get away with it? You know, that's a great question. And I think the really frustrating part too is that even though New York State has deleted all of her child's vaccine records, we actually have a valid certificate from Florida that states that her child received every single one of these vaccines. And that has never been taken away. And under New York State law, us presenting that certificate alone should be sufficient for the schools to accept it. But what happened is the New York State Department of Health basically targeted Shereen, targeted her practice and said, we don't want her practicing here in New York State anymore. We don't want doctors like her practicing in New York State anymore. So we're going to do everything possible, including bringing a 21 count indictment against her to try to scare her and to try to push her out of the state and basically make it where it's financially impossible for her to keep up with

all of these different legal proceedings. And we're doing our best. Like I said, I just started my law firm last year in July. So I'm a solo practitioner. It's tough when you're taking on the state. You know, they have all bottomless resources available to them. You know, they have the Office of Professional Medicine going after her license right now. They have the office that, you know, keeps track of Medicaid and Medicare in New York State. They're targeting her to try to make it where she can't do Medicaid reimbursements. You know, they also put her on the Fraud Awareness website and because the New York State Department of Health has control over what records a doctor can submit and can't submit. They basically,

basically made it where she can't enter any vaccines into a nicest database. So she can give a vaccine, but she can't document it. And, you know, as a pediatric doctor, you're effectively taking away her ability to practice when you take away these rights. Is there any ability to get her in front of a physician, a peer, where she is being evaluated by another pediatrician? Well, you know, it's funny that you say that. That's actually been part of one of our legal proceedings. We actually got another pediatric doctor to examine her child and to examine what's called Titer's test, which are blood tests that test whether or not you have immunity to certain vaccines. And the other pediatric doctor came back in a pine, yes, he has sufficient immunity.

And these would include things, you know, that you wouldn't commonly have unless you receive the vaccine, including hepatitis B. You know, I mean, you know, we're talking about something thing where we have plenty of proof and plenty to show that her child actually received these vaccines. And what they did was they went back through and, you know, they started calling all of her patients. They started, you know, making phone calls and reaching out and going to the physical places where her child has received care in the past. So other pediatric doctors, you know, other people that Shereen has worked with. I can't even, I'm cringing, hearing all this. It really like 1939 Germany didn't have, you know,

I say experiences like this. It's just maybe, maybe, you know, Ukraine in 1924, but or Mao's China. But that's about the only examples I know of this kind of behavior. Let's take this quick call. Pete, go ahead. You're on with us. You're on with Dr. Smail and her attorney, Chad Devonport.

Yes. Yes. Hi, Dr. Drew, Pete Condoleus, retired pediatrician. I was actually at the conference in Rochester where Dr. Ishmael spoke. She was one of the keynote speakers there. I should say the keynote speaker was Dr. William Macias, who's done amazing things with Ivermectin and Babendazol and Babendazole, but they also recognized Dr. Ishmael,

and I did speak to her, and that got me interested in what's going on in New York State. and I read their, I went on their website, and they do not accept paper records for vaccination. It's as if it's not in their registry, it didn't happen, which is absolutely absurd. And so it's kind of in line with the shenan. How do they accommodate children, given that Governor Hockel wants people to come back to New York so she can fund her programs, how do they accommodate kids that are vaccinated outside of the state of New York where we commonly use paper records? Paper records. That's what we use until maybe 20 years ago. So, you know, there wasn't all these registries are a recent development. But the New York State Department of Health on their website, it seems to have forgotten that we used paper back in the day.

Are you as incredulous as I am about this story? I mean, it's just mind-blowing. Well, I mean, I saw similar shenanigans during, during COVID and in your home state of California, you couldn't, if you spoke up against the COVID shot, you, you, you were blacklisted in, in, in, in my town, a doctor was using quite a bit of hydroxychloric when early on when they were still, I think they were still using it in the hospital. and he used it and quite a you know successfully and the state came down and audited his office for two straight weeks and his follow defense was hey the president said I could use it and it just and personally I received a letter from the state medical board saying if you retreated someone with hydroxychloric went for COVID and it wasn't part of a study. you should report yourself. I said, hmm, well, I'm going to continue to do it, so I'm not going to report myself.

But these are kind of just the beginning of the shenanigans that occurred during COVID. They suppressed hydroxychloric when. They suppressed ivermectin. And, you know, you know how they did that. You probably saw the same thing in your home state. Yeah. Yep. Well, Pete, thanks for calling it.

Thanks. Did you remember meeting Dr. Let me get his name, Condoleos? Condolios. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Pete and I stay in touch. And I regularly consult him on typical cases.

So it's been a good resource for me. Okay. Good. Yeah. I feel, you know, I feel helpless, right? And I thought I lived in a country that was designed around keeping. keeping the government out of our business. And certainly a well-trained physician with specialization,

a sub-specialization, and I'm guessing your track record working in the ER and teaching was beyond reproach. And when you decide to do something a little bit different, which is certainly your privilege and certainly the rights of the patients. And the medical freedom itself is under massive assault. I think we're all aware of that COVID again. Yes. He was just reminding us of that.

Let's see. Here's another question for you, I think. I don't see her first name. Somebody from Florida. Mulholla? Melissa, doesn't say that here. There's Melissa. Go ahead.

Melissa. Yes, hi. How are you? Good. So, yeah, I live in Florida. Go ahead. I'm sorry? Right ahead.

Okay. Yeah, I live in Florida, and when my, two of my boys were nine and 13, they had a, they took a neurological hit from their D-TAP boosters. And it didn't shock me, but it was pretty upsetting that the pediatrician was like, it'll be fine, you know, just, we'll just, we'll just, you know, keep on vaccinating them. My kids took a massive neural head. I mean, it was horrendous. We had to have my youngest have a security detail. He couldn't handle lights, sounds, running off campus, not my child, right?

And no one wants to know why. You know, like no one wants to have enough common sense to look at it and say, maybe there's a problem here. I'm sorry I went through that, Melissa. And I'm guessing, Dr. Ismail, those are kinds of stories that you had opened your practice to, and that's what pissed everybody off. Yeah.

So, I mean, I, you know, I don't know if you have children, Dr. Drew, but Chad and I are parents. And I think when you become a professional and a parent, it really changes your perspective quite a bit. And so I think the way I practiced medicine dramatically shifted after I became a mother. I'm not in the habit. And I don't think I ever have been, but it was augmented after I became a mom to gaslight parents. I think that's happening a lot in the doctor's office.

I think it's happening a lot in the hospital setting. I personally never engaged in it. And I know a lot of wonderful doctors and nurses that didn't either. but I don't dismiss the experience that other patients have had in other medical settings. And so when a patient says to me, this has been my experience, I take that at face value. And we work together to get through the situation as partners. But I have never dismissed anyone's experience. The human body works, as you know, in miraculous ways and in very unique ways.

We can never say never. we can never say it's impossible and so anything can happen and I want to always take the parents' experience at face value and treat the child individually and so my goal is always to tailor the we are we are grandparents now and so we're hearing stories that our son and daughter lot are getting into, and he's an attorney. And so he doesn't, he's like Chad, he doesn't, doesn't, you know, doesn't mind standing up to some of this stuff. We are, you know, we, we, we cow to our peer, like, okay, you're, you know, is your right to recommend. I'm coming you for that. We have nothing, you're generating a lot of calls here. John, go ahead.

Thank you for taking my call. I guess my question is, could this be considered a civil rights case and looking at all the aspects of it, you know, the potential loss of a job, let's say, any of the other things, you know, that have been the court harassment of a doctor, you know, who's done legally really nothing wrong, but denying their right almost to practice medicine in the state of New York, I leave you with that, but that, you know, and turn it over to the, see if the DOJ, Civil Rights Division, would look at it and maybe pick it up for some reason. Anyway, thank you.

You know, John, it's interesting. You bet. Thank you for the call. It's an interesting idea to hand it over to Harmeet Dillon because this is the kind of thing she looks at. And, you know, Shereen, there's civil rights as physicians. We have very few. We're trampled on all the time, all the time.

And so this might, you know, if we, he, He's right. John's right. If you send it over the DOJ and this is the kind of thing that Harmeet is very hot on, it might open up a possibility of our profession sort of restoring itself to a state of autonomy. Yeah, you know, I mean, I hear this from doctors all over the place all the time. I have a colleague of mine. He's a great pediatric emergency doctor. He got driven out of Florida. He's in Texas now. But we talk frequently. And he said to me the other day, listen, Like, I just sit back and I let these, you know, mid-levels do what they need to do. I can't teach them anything.

They don't want to listen to anything I have to say. We've completely lost our power as doctors. You just have to shut up and you have to keep your head down. I have two little boys. I've got to support them, you know, and this is my focus. It's not saving lives anymore. It's not practicing the craft of medicine. They've totally beaten it out of me.

I can't, you know, post anything. I can't say anything. You know, they tell patients all the time, talk to your doctor, ask your doctor. But they don't really mean that. It's like, you know, they really mean ask your doctor or talk to your doctor. No, what they mean is, what they mean is I want to take the liability off of me and put it on you. I don't care what you have to say. I just need you to absorb the liability.

Chad, I got to wrap this up. And Shereen, I really appreciate you sharing your story with us. So you have to tie a bow on this somehow. What do we do with this? How do you keep fighting? It's just mind-boggling to me. Well, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stand up and I'm trying to fight for the doctors here in New York State because there's quite a few of them who are being victimized by the Department of Health

and they're afraid to practice medicine here in this state. And so we have this thing. It's called the Bureau of Immunization within the New York State. They're the same group in the same department that targeted Shireen. They're the same department that went knocking. on people's doors that we're calling them and investigating them and interrogating them without a warrant, without judicial sanctioning. They are pretending that they are white-collar prosecutors, and they are targeting doctors throughout our state for what they are calling vaccine fraud.

And I want to put a stop to it. I want to go after them, and I want to target them and say that their entire department is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. If you were a sheriff or a detective, and if you wanted to go and talk to somebody and to question them about a potential crime, you would need to get a warrant. If you wanted to go and get somebody's medical records, you need a warrant. You can't just serve them with subpoenas and then intimidate them and force them to turn over records, turnover information. So what I want to do is I would love to get involved with the Department of Justice.

I think that that is a fantastic idea and we'll certainly take that. But it's also a due process violation because doctors are terrified that they're going to be the next person who's put on this vaccine fraud awareness website, simply for just trying to allow their patients to exercise vaccine choice. And so I want to make sure that doctors feel comfortable with doing that. I want to make sure that doctors know that they're protected. And so that's what we're looking at right now, and that's what we're trying to do. Trismell, where do you want people to follow you?

Where can they follow me? Well, the Alexander Center for Children's Health has a Facebook and an Instagram, handle. So we post everything that we're doing wonderful for children on there. So they can follow me there. We would love, absolutely love Dr. Drew, some support from criminal defense attorneys, anybody that would like to donate their time or knowledge or skills to help us fight this cause. We're just being buried alive by the forces that be. And we're very much in a David and Goliath situation. So if we're fighting for our children, which is what I'm doing here every day. And if you care about our kids, we need some help here on any front that anyone would be willing to support us

with or provide. Guys, thank you for being here. Hopefully we'll hear a good update sometime in the not too distant future. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you very much for everyone. Thank you. Thank you. You got it. Thank you. All right. I'm going to take a quick break. And then Tess Lori comes in. She depresses me too when I talk to her sometimes. But I think she's got some interesting things coming up. You can follow her on X. L-A-W-R-E-E underscore DR. And Dr. Tess Lori

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I appreciate you being here. Sorry about the scheduling issues. Hi, Dr. Drew. It's really great to be here. And I was sorry to hear that I depressed you last time, but I have some very uplifting news for you today. Well, I want the uplifting news, but don't you remember we were sort of lamenting the state of clinical medicine, of science,

and I just heard a horrific story from that pediatrician. It's just, it's just too much. The profession is going to be completely eviscerated soon if we're not careful. So give me some good news. Well, I think we all know there's a better way, you know, and that's what's really coming out with your discussion with Dr. Ishmael and Chad Davenport. You can see everybody knows. is a better way and the powers that shouldn't be seem to be trying to stop us from getting

together and having conversations. So what I want to share with you today is, as you know, I've been part of an organization called the World Council for Health, which has been working for six years. We have no conflicts of interest and really trying to get integrity back into the health system and into healing. So we have two brands. We've got the World Council. We've got the World Council for Health brand and the Better Way brand. And through the Better Way brand, we hold events. And Council for Health is a decentralizing organization. So we're not a hierarchy, but we're empowering countries and states to set up their own

councils. So we now have a council in the U.S. in New England. So we'll Council for Health, New England. We also have one in Florida and Kentucky is coming along too. they are holding their inaugural Better Way conference in Rhode Island this May on the 30th and 31st of May and we invite everybody to attend.

These aren't medical conferences, although there are many doctors and other health professionals speaking. These are conferences for everyone because at the conferences, we call it, this conference is called co-creating new health solutions, a better way for the USA,

And we have everybody coming in with their ideas and solutions to the crisis that we are facing in healthcare. The system seemed to be failing us. And we get together and we put everyone on the stage and we have these conversations. So we have a very unique formula with the conferences. We have, it's two days with three panels on each day and each panel addresses a different topic. We have very great hosts. We've got Dell Bigtree on day one, and we've got Brett Weinstein on day two. They're the emcees of the day.

And then each of these two-hour panels, five people, two hours, have two hosts which guide the conversation and challenge the speakers to really put their best solutions forward. So the speakers have to come with solutions. We set the problem and then they present their solutions. But kicking the whole thing off, we have on the Friday night at garlic dinner, which is really about everybody coming together, connecting and having a really great meal together that's been guided by our World Council for Health, New England nutritionist, and also music. So it's a real celebration, a coming together of truth tellers.

a lot of the speakers people will know like Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Pierre Corey, Dr. Mark Trozy, whose World Council for Health Canada's lead, who you've interviewed quite recently. And Dr. Brian Ardust, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, I mean, there's so many wonderful experts coming to share their wisdom. and also a lot of new people. So, you know, we have over the past few years seen a sort of freedom, health freedom, the health freedom platform,

predominantly by certain personalities. And in this conference, we have so many speakers that are new faces, all with solutions, we've had a waiting list, I have to say, because everybody wanted to come and speak. So I would like to run you through the panels as well just to show you how the days flow. And in actual fact, each day is a standalone day. We have, you could come for the first day or you could come for the second day or you could come for both on the garlic dinner. But there's certainly something in there for everybody.

It sounds wonderful. But I having sort of a I had a whole conversation with myself while you were speaking where I thought, oh man, New England, that's going to be a hard nut to crack. And then you said Rhode Island. Like, oh, Rhode Island, perfect.

The birthplace of religious freedom. Really. Roger Williams and the history of Rhode Island should be the backdrop for this because the people that you're fighting are literally fighting the

the way this is being carried out against scientists and physicians is precisely the way the colonialists were being marginalized by government forces to prevent them from practicing

their religion. This is preventing people from practicing medicine or science or dialogue. It's anathom to everything that this country certainly stood for. But the Rhode Island played a key role in the sort of breaking down of some of those government overreaches, let's say. And God knows we're dealing with that all the time now.

Well, thank you for noting that. And I think there is something very special about it being held in Providence. And, you know, in the fact that so much, you know, that it is a place of great significance. We're very fortunate to have a wonderful World Council for Health New England team there with Dr. Mark Brody, who you'll meet at the conference, Gita Chagulli and others. And it's really wonderful that they see World Council for Health as a way forward, a better way forward for, you know, introducing and co-creating better systems in the U.S. too. Can you explain to me? I'm wondering if there are goals other than learning from all these experts.

Do you hope to emerge from that conference with something in place that will propel things forward? We always do. You know, it's called co-creating new health solutions. So we're not, you know, the people who are coming, they're not coming with the solutions to say, these are the solutions and this is where we'll go. They're coming to share their ideas and have a conversation. and also to receive questions from the audience. So that at the end of it, there's not one solution,

but there's many that can then be followed up. And there are wonderful initiatives already in the US that, you know, they're wonderful clinics that need awareness raising and different modalities that need awareness raising. It's not a medical conference, as I say, this is a conference for everybody. And we have a section on self-healing too,

because it really is important that people start recognizing that they can heal themselves. They don't need to have this dependency on pills and injections and a system that's based on health insurance and high costs. So, you know, this really is a very unique conference and it's very uplifting. So, you know, I can't really highlight enough that we have, it's uplifting because people are allowed to speak the truth. And we have a sort of an ethos called the Better Way principles, which says we value different perspectives. So people are allowed, there's absolute freedom of speech at the conference and people are allowed to share their perspectives without being shouted down or, you know, having arguments. It's really about being able to air, you know, these different views and acting in honor and doing no harm. Those are two of the principles that are among the eight principles of the better way.

And also, of course, we stand up for our rights and freedoms. So, you know, I'd invite doctors like Dr. Ishmael and others who have felt like they're alone out there. They're not alone. There are so many people. As I say, we couldn't accommodate all the speakers who wish to speak at the conference. and all the speakers speak at the conference for free. They offer their time for free. The other amazing thing about the conference

is that they only get 15 minutes to share their unique perspective without interruption and then they join the panel and we have this conversation. So they're not allowed to monopolize the stage when they're all having the conversation. They've got two to three minutes to then respond to questions and allow others to speak. So it's really a very fast,

paste and an exciting event to be it with three panels on each day. There is, I could highlight a couple of the panels. Is there a website? People should go to if they want to, want to attend? It's Betawayconference.org. Okay. We have one very, please. All right, I just wanted to say there's one very interesting panel that I'm really looking forward to.

and that is the one on biological products and informed consent. We haven't had this discussion about blood products, blood transfusion, other biological products like organ donations, and also the biologicals that are injected, gene therapies and vaccines and so on. So, you know, this is something that we'll be discussing. Is blood safe? Where can we get safe blood? And I think that's going to be a really fascinating discussion.

Just going to hear Peter McCullough or Brett Weinstein is worth it. Are you familiar with the Brownstone Institute? It seems like you have a lot of confluence of interest. Yes. And they're in Connecticut a lot of the time. So you ought to kind of send your feelers out to those guys. You'd find a lot of enthusiastic participants, I'm sure. Absolutely.

And Dr. Drew, I just wanted to say that for your viewers, there's a code Dr. Drew 10, which gets them 10% off the in-person tickets as well as the virtual tickets. And the virtual tickets are just $30 for the whole weekend, and then you can watch on-demand later. So, you know, you can buy a ticket and buy all your friends over for a barbecue, watch a panel or two, have a discussion. It's really a wonderful conversation starter,

and then it won't stop. That is a big deal. That's how you get the word out, to get through the electronic media because people can't always get on an airplane and show up, but if you're willing to give it to them. So again, so it is, the code is Dr. Drew 10% off the virtual and the physical experience.

And it is, again, the website is... It's betterwayconference.org. Great. Dr. Lori, thank you so much for being here. We always appreciate it. Thank you very much, Dr. Drew. Have a great evening. I do feel a little better than last time we spoke.

Okay, let me just quickly look at the restreams with you guys. Susan, you were asking if anybody's from California out there? Is that because you're prepping people for the debate? Yeah, so I was just saying if anybody wants to know what's going on with the debate, we were thinking about simulcasting it. We are? Yeah, we were simulcasting it. We were thinking about it.

It's actually going to start right after our show end. which is perfect timing because I feel like everyone's going to want to jump over and watch it. Yes. And while you're to stay here for one second because these upcoming guests are sensational. Tomorrow, Scott Atlas, Johnson Turley, ridiculous. Dave Ruman coming up after that. Russell Brad, after that, In-Person, Salty Cracker, after that. Wild, excellent guest.

Thank you, Emily Barsh. We appreciate you all being here. Caleb, is there anything else on your, get people over to the debates? No, no. Everybody go watch Spencer Pratt on the day. right after this. It comes on in like a minute. Go to NBCLA and watch it. If you're in L.A., go ahead and vote for him too. Let's get rid of that Karen Basswoman. Get out the bussura. We can't simulcast it, Caleb? As Caleb is. I mean, we made it this far. I don't want to risk their copyright stuff right at the end. So it's fine. I was told you could do it. Colleen Williams said you could do whatever you want. Oh, you mean on YouTube. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. He said anything that's out there is free, free to take.

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