Ask Dr. Drew - A 2nd Hunter Biden Laptop: Was Dr. Keith Ablow's Office Raided By Federal Agents To Seize Evidence? + Jennifer Sey of XX-XY Athletics – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 340

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

According to the NY Post, Hunter Biden left a second laptop in Dr. Keith Ablow’s office for over a year – until Dr. Ablow’s office was raided by DEA agents in 2020. But are the events connected? Dr. Keith Ablow has been a psychiatrist for 25 years. He graduated from Brown University and the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He is the founder of life coaching program “Pain-2-Power” and the author of many books, including his latest “Trump Your Life: 25 Life Lessons from the Ups and Downs of The 45th President of the United States.” Follow him at https://x.com/keithablow and learn more at https://pain2power.com Jennifer Sey is an author, filmmaker, business executive and retired artistic gymnast. Find her new athletic apparel brand XX-XY Athletics at https://xx-xyathletics.com/. Jennifer Sey began working at Levi Strauss & Co. in 1999, rising to Chief Marketing Officer and then Global Brand President. In January 2022, she was asked to resign because of her public opposition to the extended closure of San Francisco’s public schools. Previously, Jennifer Sey was the 1986 USA Gymnastics National Champion, and a 7-time member of the U.S. Women’s National Team. Sey’s first memoir, “Chalked Up,” was released in 2008 and detailed the coaching cruelty inflicted on children in the sport of gymnastics. She also produced the 2020 Emmy award-winning documentary film, “Athlete A,” which connected the crimes of Larry Nassar to broader abuses in the Olympic movement. Follow her at https://x.com/jennifersey and find more at https://SeyEverything.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, we've got another great show planned for everyone today. We are going to be speaking to my friend and colleague, Dr. Keith Abelow. He is a graduate of Brown University and then Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He is a psychiatrist and founder of Pain to Power, a coaching program. He's authored many books. And after I finish up with Dr. Abelow, we are going to bring Jennifer Say back. She, of course, was the brand manager. I think I'm getting that right.

I think I got that wrong last time for Levi Strauss. And she was chief marketing officer and then global brand president. There you go in 2022. Asked to resign because of some, God forbid, opposition to school closure. And that is looking better and better and better in the prism through these lens of history. Standing up to that nonsense but uh here we are uh keith ablos at keithablo.com pain to power.com theablocenter.com keith ablo on twitter we're going to get to him right after this our laws as it pertained to

substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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And also, I think I'm going to just hint at I've been enamored by the show Talking Dead, you know, a show post show after a show. Look out for something like that right here. We'll give you details soon. Just tell everybody your ideas so that I don't have to be the only one who knows about it. So you don't speak about it elsewhere? So my plan is to have a post-show on Locals for just a full free speech, free for all,

whatever people want to talk about and say. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about the guest I've just interviewed just to get your opinions. But I feel like we need to create environments where it is just simply free, free for people to speak their mind, and that's that. And that's hard to develop and hard to create and hard to find and hard to protect, but that's my goal. That's sort of what we're doing here, generally speaking. But it occurred to me this morning that there might be a way to do it where we have a sort of a premium version of it where I can speak my mind too, frankly, and not think about things that I worry about. Speaking of worrying, maybe Dr. Abloh can help me with that.

He is a psychiatrist, been in practice for 25 years. He's from Johns Hopkins. Pain to Power is his program i think i sent you i gave you all of his particular keith abloh on x abl abloh abloh i pronounce his name like it's abloh i'm sorry for that it's not like abalone it's abloh there's the book let's bring that up again if you wouldn't mind uh the abloh center.com ah there we go there's another book you should check out 25 lessons i'll get him to talk about that. Please welcome Keith Abloh.

Hey, Drew. Thanks for having me. It's my pleasure. I'll give you a chance to first talk about the book. What are we going to learn with the book, the Trump book? Well, you know, I wrote Trump Your Life with Christian Josie, my co-author, forward by Roger Stone. And why? Because years back, I wrote a blog for FoxNews.com and I suggested that Donald Trump,

multi-billionaire, successful businessman, Emmy Award winning television personality, president of the United States, that there were three characteristics of the president that might be worth emulating. And it caused an outrage. You had Yahoo.com putting that on as its lead story on the front page of Yahoo.com saying, can you believe this shrink? He thinks there's something to emulate about the president or to absorb from his style and his way of being. They thought that was ridiculous. So naturally, me being me, I had to write a book with 25 characteristics of the president because I think we're witnessing kind of like the biggest free of charge self-help seminar the world has ever known. We're watching a man who can

perform despite innumerable obstacles put in his way, very unfair obstacles ranging from state to federal courts to all manner of accusations. And the guy just keeps on going. How does he do it? And how do you achieve some of the things he achieved as president? It's reproducible. You can actually learn from it. So I wrote Trump Your Life. It's like the playbook to the biggest self-help seminar we're going to ever see, which is Donald Trump continuing on in his campaign to be president of the United States again.

It is incredible how he marches through adversity. I give a talk at the White House. I'll go to any White House that wants help. I will show up and I will give a talk if that's what they want. And I did. And he came in in the middle after I spoke. He was not planned. And so afterwards, I had a chance to chat with him for a second. It was during the second impeachment trial. And I said, are you OK? How do you tolerate this? He's like, I didn't think about it.

And I was like, wow, that's not me. I can't do that. So what is that? Well, I think, first of all, that's not me either, Drew. I mean, certainly, right? But we can aspire to be able to see our lives in context and be able to look at them a bit askance, I like to say, and say, I wonder why this is happening. And I really don't know where it's going. Even the most challenging things are a gem for the mind, if you want to think about it that way. And I know you do, but anybody who's watching or listening can as well say, well, I guess if nothing else, if I acquit myself well in these

circumstances, these incredibly challenging circumstances, I will get stronger. And I also, because I have faith, would say, while you're getting stronger, also notice the fact that you really don't know why. And I think there is a why. I think there's a kind of universe or God is programming things to an extent. There is a reason why these things are happening. And if you can kind of say, I wonder what's going to happen to the good from this. Stay alert, even in the midst of darkness, for a very bright light where you might be able to say what you feel or change people's minds or simply demonstrate through your strength that other people don't need to cower. And that we really, we humans really are able to summon extraordinary resilience in the face of adversity. It is extraordinary.

You know, I'm hearkening back to the beginning of the first Trump presidency. And there was a lot of, if you remember, a lot of pejorative pronouncements about his personality construct and his whatever, you know, biases he had or whatever. And I remember at the time telling people that be very careful with pejorative assessments of naturally occurring differences in the human psyche. You know what I mean? And what I would do back then is describe to them a couple of other presidents and ask them if that person should have been president. Of course, they say no. Maybe I had my finger on the scale a little bit when I would describe it.

But Lincoln was severely depressed, maybe bipolar. Teddy Roosevelt was so narcissistic and manic, hypomanic all the time. And great presidents. And by the way, if you're a fighter pilot, I want that guy to have alcoholic genetics and be narcissistic. That's who I want to fly in the plane, the F-17.

Perfect. So this idea, i just wonder if you feel as strong as i do because you and i are you know we work in a world where terms are thrown around a lot and the terms have liability like it's yes if you have a severe narcissist it's gonna be tough to have an intimate relationship with them it's gonna be hard uh but the pejorative nature in all settings with which we use psychiatric terms really bothers me. I couldn't agree more. And I've been fond of saying, if God forbid, knocking on wood, I needed neurosurgery.

You know, I'd like my neurosurgeon to have a healthy ego. I don't want him to be so. Maybe not. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Well, no, he could be so egotistical. You don't want to have bad judgment that he's so egotistical, but I'll give him as much as he needs, whatever that is. And I really want that person to be, I'm not going to trade away affability.

I'm not going to say, give me an affable neurosurgeon. I'd like a warm guy. No, no, no. I want somebody who's going to get every cell that's malignant because he's obsessive. He thinks he's empowered by the Lord, whatever it is. I think it's wonderful. I want that guy. And Donald Trump, you can learn a lot from him. For instance, if nothing else, you might learn that if you're trying to do things in the world that you believe are worthwhile and that I happen to believe are good things to do, you're not going to encounter less resistance. You're going to encounter more resistance. And so you have to be prepared. Be prepared for that and accept it and embrace it even. I think Donald

Trump embraces the fact that what he's attempting to do is very difficult and he would have predicted, I am sure, this is not going to be easy. It's going to be tremendous headwinds in life, by the way. Isn't that true of so many things? You've been a pioneer, a trailblazer in getting people to talk about their relationships. And I doubt you would say, listen, if you're embarking upon a marriage, expect it to be easy. No, there'll be headwinds, but your relationship could get stronger as you navigate them uh donald trump you know has a lot to recommend him and we can learn a lot 25 things at least but i could write a sequel um that

make people stronger there's a there's an up might be an opportunity there so so i i want to switch off him and talk about not really the collective but but you and I haven't talked since things got kind of crazy. And I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on what happened to us. One of my theories is we've had a big load of destroyed families and childhood traumas and all kinds of substances and things that have happened and neglected mental health issues and whatnot. Is that sufficient to explain our present moment or what do you imagine is happening? I think those are tremendously important factors.

I think also that the dawn of technology and its growth has left people without their bearings. It hasn't been looked at. What does it mean that you can fictionalize your existence through a Facebook profile? What did SecondLife.com, when that was launched, where you could create a whole other avatar and assign a role to it. You know, you had folks in that those early days at Secondlife.com. Now everybody's living Secondlife.com, it seems. But in those early days, you had people who were getting divorced in real life because their avatars had an affair on Secondlife.com. Now, that's that's confusing, but one could have seen that

as the leading edge of a kind of pandemic in which people lost their grounding in reality and they were able to port themselves into the internet, much like Marshall McLuhan warned about when he wrote Understanding Media. He said, look, there are cold media. He talked about television as opposed to film, that people had to assemble the pixels with their own minds and therefore it absorbed people. And he said it can cause wars.

We want to, we want to reassert ourselves, our tribal nature because we're being homogenized by TV. He would have absolutely said this is a hundred X. So I think that people, it's a drug and people are worried, I think to their core about being removed from themselves at the same time as they're flocking to do it. And so it really does. I mean, I think the collective impact of technology leaves you saying, well, maybe I can be anything. I can alter my appearance. I can have a second kind of life.

I can depict myself on Facebook in any way I would like. I can have a million Facebook friends. Well, no, you don't. If you have a few good friends in real life, that's really something. But we don't know what it means to have Facebook friends who won't necessarily turn up for you. And I think that because of that, people are losing their tether to reality. The transgender stuff would be seen as the most dramatic element of that, where you have people literally saying, despite my anatomy and my DNA, I am not the gender that I was born, period. Well, that could be seen, as I do, as sort of an epidemic of psychosis. Well, it's certainly, you know, the one thing I have seen is hysteria that I didn't expect.

I saw the narcissism coming, but the histrionic component caught me off guard. Do you have any thoughts about how hysterical we have been? Is it just a good job of the government and the media whipping us into hysteria? Or were we prone to hysteria for some reason uh probably human beings have the capacity uh for hysteria and being carried away by your emotions but as you cut the truth at its roots um you get into potential hysteria because really your emotions are then free floating so it doesn't matter what you demonstrate about covid you're going to become overheated and with fear and you'll be manipulatable this who pact by the way's being suggested, where we give all kinds of control to the WHO if

there's another pandemic, is basically saying, listen, you don't need to be anchored in yourself at all. Countries don't need to. You're really going to be hysterical in the face of any threat. And you're going to need a central authority to turn to because you can't rely on yourself. You can't rely even on your government. After all, I mean, talk about delusions. We're living in a country where the leader of our country says, says through his actions, we don't need borders. OK, well, it's a hop, skip and a jump from I know these folks that I believe, if you do and I don't, are the opposite gender from their anatomy to, well, why are you saying that there should be borders?

Based on what? Well, based on the definition of a country. Well, now we hate you. So we move from fiction to hysteria, deep hatred at others who have different viewpoints, and then the whole cancellation thing that follows that. I'm going to kill you metaphorically. I will destroy you on Google such that you will not be able to work, you won't be able to have friends, and that's where we're at. And this has happened in history before. This is the thing. I kind of was predicting it, scapegoating. Scapegoating to me is what, you know, I didn't know about social media when I started speculating about this, but this is a perfect environment for mobs to form and then to act out that collective scapegoating mechanism on one or the other.

And it's a very effective way to deal with narcissistic rage and borderline. All the cluster B rages gets acted out and regulated this way rather than turned on one another.

And history is replete with examples of this, whether you go to the pre-revolutionary France or whether you go to early 20th century Russia or mid-20th century Germany. I mean, it's just over and over and over again.

The thing that people are missing is that when you start scapegoating, eventually you get scapegoated. In other words, you build so much hatred and resentment going back and forth that if you put somebody on the guillotine, eventually you're going on the guillotine. And because we don't teach history, people are missing that. Well, you're already on you're already the walking dead is part of the problem um very often i think the people in hysterics and those who would cancel others and destroy them uh are essentially vampires so they have

ceded their core to the state already they've given up all their connection to reality. They are emptied out. Now, you know, one of the strengths of psychiatry is that you can help people be themselves again. You can help them be sort of reborn in what was intended for them and with their core talents and their real opinions about others in their lives and the whole world around them. But I think what we've got is we've got an incredible number of people who are no longer connected to self. So we think we could think of them as vampires and they're coming for you. Because your personhood is offensive to them. What are they trying to kill?

The First Amendment. You shouldn't be able to speak your mind. Why? Because it's a sign you're alive, which is offensive to us. You shouldn't be able to defend your home or your family with a firearm, even if you've committed no crime. Why? Well, because that's taking things into your own hands.

That's expressing yourself and your bravery and your courage. We must stop that. You cannot express that. We're going to come for you. And if you have an opinion contrary to ours, that's perhaps extreme even. Maybe it's quite not extreme. Maybe it's simply decided, a decided opinion. That will offend so many people at this point. The whole Ayn Rand idea that the man in the middle is the problem, that you have to be for or against many things in life, that's, for those folks the pandemic but they want

everyone to die who believes that metaphorically at least perhaps really yeah boy it's a great metaphor though the the zombie is you know the the zombie or the uh the vampire and it's interesting isn't it interesting how preoccupied we've become with these things lately on television and elsewhere and then movies and whatnot. That's very interesting to me. That's going to stay with me. I'm going to be thinking about that for a while.

I have to take a break in a minute. But before we do, you've been speaking lately about federal agents raiding your office. And I don't know to what extent you can talk about this and how it harkens back to your patient. I'm confused by the whole story, you can imagine. Can you give us a sketch of what that was? What's that?

Well, sure. Oh, you're confused too, yeah. I'm confused too. I was hoping you could help me. Maybe let's hear it. So going back now to 2019, my assistant got a call that somebody would like to come in and see me for some life coaching. Fair enough. Someone came in,

but it wasn't a client. It was the DEA, armed agents who took many things from the office all computers cell phones new and old records my business records that they simply sort of inhaled like a vacuum and weren't on the list to take but but nonetheless, it's okay. It's not. Who's list? Was it the Department of Justice or where'd the list come from? Sure. They had a search warrant, but I don't know what they told the judge to get said search warrant. And my own therapy notes on my own therapy, I had a great therapist at the time, by the way, and he would have me dialogue with myself. Great technique, sort of a Jungian technique. And, you know, grab that too.

Certainly not on any list of things to take. And I've committed no crime. I won't be charged with a crime, God willing. I'm knocking on wood. But what it certainly familiarized me with, what it brought home in a very powerful way, is that the government doesn't need a very good reason to descend upon your home or office, they do it. And once they do it and start looking at your entire life, my learning curve here has been that anybody might have done something that they can assail you with. For instance, did you know, because I didn't, that you can be fined thousands of dollars per prescription that you didn't put a patient address on?

Oh, boy. I'd never heard that. Is that in all states? Yes, it is. Federal law? Thankfully, I got to say, thankfully now we're doing it electronically, so it does appear on the electronic record, but never heard that before. For 40 years of practicing medicine.

Exactly. And I never had a doctor say to me, hey, Keith, before I make out this prescription, what would your address again? Who has time? But not only that, there's nowhere on the form. Where on the form is there an address? I mean, the address is in the record. If the pharmacy needs it, we give it to them. Or you might call the pharmacy and do a verbal order. And I've never been asked,

hey, what's the patient's address? Unless it's Jim Smith. And they're like, well, we got to figure out which Jim Smith from Keith Abloh is being treated here. But it turns out that if they choose to identify a particular physician, you might have written, say, a thousand prescriptions. And you might be threatened with a fine for $5 million for addresses so the question is if they don't like you if you've expressed opinions that don't jive with an administration or a zeitgeist in the world or maybe you championed ketamine like me uh as a treatment for depression before anyone did and, you know, really championed it. I was really out there. Or maybe you were the first one like me in 2011 to say, don't let your kids watch Chaz Bono on Dancing with the Stars. It really could affect them to want to emulate someone who I felt wasn't well.

That's just my take. I didn't think that that was a sane approach to underlying psychological conflict. So I said that on national television. Listen, don't let your kids watch. I haven't been shy. I've made friends and enemies. I think that speaking your mind is a good way to remind yourself that you're alive and you'll attract detractors. But that's one thing I've learned is I don't know why they were here. I don't think they should have been here. And I've also learned that once they come, if you haven't put periods at the ends of sentences, you're a vulnerable person. But God help all of us then, because the FBI, CIA, DEA, and any other federal agency or IRS,

as Ben Carson pointed out at the prayer breakfast years ago, he said, listen, if I wanted to get you or you or you, he pointed to people in the audience, I could get you based on some rule. So the selectivity of who they go after becomes a kind of sort of Damocles that can be wielded against you. So I don't know if that clarifies really anything, but I'm going to ask you more about it about it yeah it's the beginning of a story exactly and and i it reminds me of this this feature you're talking about reminds me of what being in a malpractice suit is like they can always find something you know some something you didn't something who knows i mean it's just because there's so much documentation and you always forget to put something down or something gets put down that we didn't have.

Something. There's always something. And that's how they get you is with the documents. They'll just go until they find something. And, you know, language being powerful, that's how they get you. Now I listen, you know, I always did as a psychiatrist. But you can't get me. You can do lots of things to me. You can cause me a lot

of pain. I'm not invulnerable, but I'm not available to be gotten. And that's where I think Americans need to go to that core where you say, listen, you may make me bleed, but you can't take my soul. It can be very uncomfortable. Believe me. But in the end, if you have the opinion, yeah, but I don't surrender my core. I just don't do it. So go for it. Then it's hard to be defeated in a final way.

And Donald Trump is that guy, by the way. That's why I say he's the best self-help force. You not going to defeat donald trump he's going to keep coming so uh ryan holiday who's become a very uh well-known advocate of stoic philosophy was a college student when i first met him and he said what are you reading it was a totally unrelated to anything in philosophy and i said well look I read crazy stuff. And he goes, what are you reading? I go, there's this stoic philosopher named Epictetus. I'm reading the Enchiridion.

And this is Epictetus' main point. You can enslave me. You can break my limbs. You cannot. I choose what happens to me inside. And that is that philosophy that has very great pertinence in the present moment for a lot of us.

Keith Abloh is here with me. PainToPower.com is where I want you to go. I have to take a little break. Let's throw the book up there again, Caleb, so people will go out and get the book. It is the Trump Your Life book, Keith Abloh and Christian Josie. And we will be back right after this.

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potentially. So they don't ever say, hey, this was our motivation. Unless there's litigation, in fact, you can't look at whatever document they provided to a court or whatever testimony they gave in front of a court to get a search warrant. That's only if the thing becomes litigation and hopefully that won't happen. And so, no, you don't know why they were there. I mean, I had had a disgruntled employee who, by the way, I went to court with, she said she was harassed. I won. But once those kinds of things go into the newspaper and once they're talked about at the Board of Registration of Medicine or in federal always, you just don't know what was it. Right before that, by the way, my guns were confiscated. That's before the raid, because the same employee or probably because of that said i didn't store them correctly so based on rumor and innuendo by somebody that lost in court um and was roundly criticized by

the judge based on that they came for the guns first um so i'll need to get those back eventually. And did I get this right? I don't know if this is a rumor or what, that Hunter Biden's story folds into your life somehow? Well, one of the things that the federal government took when they raided my cottage, my office cottage, was in fact a laptop of Hunter Biden's. Now, I'm not breaking confidence here because it's been covered in the media that the DEA did take Hunter Biden's laptop. In fact, wrongly, Hunter Biden's attorney and friend and benefactor said, you know, Keith Abloh was the source of the laptop. He must have given it to the computer repairman in Delaware. No, Hunter left the laptop at my office when he came here for help and came for treatment. And again, I'm not breaking confidence because it's been covered in the media because the texts were released from his laptop, not by me, by others. And so it was

clear, oh, Keith Adler was treating Hunter Biden. Yes, that's true. And so one of the things swept up in my office was Hunter Biden's laptop by the federal guard. Maybe that's what they were going for. You know, I won't even theorize. I can tell you this immediately because patient confidentiality, to me, trumps most everything. I had my lawyer contact the feds and say, listen, one of the laptops is not looking like the others because it's dirty and it has stickers on it. It's quite different than Keith's. And that is not keith's and the client's lawyer will be in touch with you uh who does own that laptop and my understanding is that

resulted in it being returned to hunter biden oh okay that's fair enough did did he did he just leave laptops he walked around with laptops and sort of when he was not doing well forget them places is that his thing and how did you what were you thinking did you did you want to give it back to him all that time and he just never came around for it or yeah you really were getting into yeah the area here that we can't talk about but it's just it's just so odd to me detective you want to be very careful okay fair enough that's already it's weird once it's it's so interesting and weird once a patient divulges publicly that they've been in treatment however that happens then you know simple questions like that become like i could i don't know you know it's i i want him to know uh uh so and you had it in a secure spot right you kept it you kept it like it was a patient it was patients of personal

belongings just got left there yeah everything was locked up um so his laptop was um uh some you know very fine clothes, which fit me. But no, I didn't try them on, but we're the same size. So I had said to him, and this is not breaking confidence. I had said, listen, you know, pick it up or I'm keeping the clothing because I would never spend that. But none of it got picked up. So there you have it. And it got swept up by the DEA in this raid.

The only other thing I can think of, I mean, that I know irked the DEA is I had prescription art. I had a bad conversation once with a DEA agent because I make large prescriptions that say, I hope, iconic things about our culture. And it had my DEA number on it because it's literally a blow-up, my prescription. And they called and they said, look, it's legal, but we'd rather you not do it. And I said, well, it's kind of part of the art. I don't know if that irked. That doesn't seem to equal a raid to me. Factors, I don't know about the laptop, my disgruntled and defeated ex-assistant.

But I can tell you this, I never broke a law. I never dealt a drug to anyone. There's no reason. I think some of these things are like they say about the Kennedy assassination. You never had to issue an order to one specific person necessarily. It's this one stands down. This one appears in the wrong place. It happens by unconscious choreography without actual words being spoken. I'm not well liked in Massachusetts by more than half the people because I'm an unapologetic conservative. And, you know, and I think that matters. I do. I think it matters.

And I think it's not it's not nothing that they came to this door as opposed to someone else's. There there that was a time when they were going after a lot of doctors who prescribed opiates for willy-nilly reasons, some appropriate, some inappropriate, and even opiate treatment like Suboxone and things like that. And obviously, they've flipped that on its head now, and now it's very weird the way they go about these things. Bureaucracy. Go ahead. Let me get in more trouble. We don't know the first thing really about the power of opiates, for instance, in some cases of intractable depression to save lives, right? There's a book called The Opiate Cure, and I don't think anybody should try opiates. If anyone's listening, don't

try them, don't go there. But, you know, we keep learning that ketamine saves lives and depression, that microdosing LSD might be helpful. And then there are these sacred cows where if you ever said, I wonder if you're at the edge of the earth and you might die from depression, is it possible that you're opiate deficient, that your endorphins and enkephalins are literally at a lower level than can sustain your life in terms of your mood and your depression yeah sure that's possible are we going to study it well not until there's the same kind of effort behind, say, opiates to look at them, but they're the demon now, as was placed on ketamine and psilocybin. And now, you know, others are coming down the pike. people are people. The regulators are at least parsing out the kappa opioid receptor system from the mu opioid receptor system

and becoming willing to look at that. And man, and that has been very, very, very helpful. It has been. And the National Center for Drug Abuse has been very enthusiastic about this. So it'll be interesting to see if they're able to kind of do what's appropriate

in letting doctors do their job. But I've got to bring Jennifer Say in here in a minute, but before I do, I just want to ask you about, to me, COVID revealed so much, right? I mean, things I didn't realize were underway in terms of so many of our peers being employees, so many of our peers willing to stand down in terms of their sacred obligation for patients in terms of follow-up and trying things and improvising and doing what they needed to do to help someone. I mean, this was shocking to me. But it seemed like one of the big culprits, and there were many, in all of this was the bureaucratization and the centralization of

our profession. To me, and I've been studying history lately, and that tension between decentralization and centralization has been in play since the French Revolution. And what people don't know is, by the way, the Jacobins were the first, the original totalitarians, essentially, were taking a page from their monarch. The monarchs had developed the administrative state. They just wanted the administrative state to be run, expanded, and run by the people. And then, of course, we have a revolution, and decentralization has

always been a better way to go. And America worked. Their own Frenchmen came to America, and de Tocqueville came here and said, why does it work in America? Because democracy is decentralized and it's practiced locally. That's why it works. And yet our profession, where the sacred unit of the patient and the physician is your most effective unit, is being completely encumbered by bureaucracy and centralization. I just want to get your thoughts on that before I let you go. I think it's being decimated. I think that the sacred bond between physician and patient and the physician's ability to use things off-label, for instance, useful things, is being encroached upon. So I agree with you 100%. By the way, you can take that what you just said, Drew, is true even of Bitcoin. Why is it powerful, Bitcoin cryptocurrency? Because it's

decentralized. That's why it has the power that it does. Yes, that's why America has 50 states and why it too is stronger than it would be with 10 states or five or one. And it's why the WHO shouldn't be messing with America's response to the next, as they say, disease X, which makes you think, man, what do they have in store for us next? That's exactly right. I completely agree. One last question. I didn't know where you grew up, but I heard the word out came out of your mouth a couple of times. Were you from the Pacific, the Northern Plains or Canada or where did that come from? No, you know, I grew up in Marblehead, Massachusetts. I dated a Canadian girl for years and I think that's all I have left.

I have a broken heart and the word out and I have a question I have my own question for you which is why wouldn't Drew Pinsky be running for governor of California well Mrs. Pinsky why don't you explain that it was discussed a few times

Mrs. Pinsky he needs a new wife for that we started looking into it I was looking at going after shifts. He needs to marry Catherine Barker and then maybe it'll work out. I was looking at, I talked to a former governor about, and he was very encouraging, which was shocking to me. And then I have prostate cancer. I needed some radiation and that was enough of an excuse to put me out for that particular round.

And then Susan looked at it more carefully and was like, you can't, no. Look what Dr. Oz went through. That's what she looked at and thought, I don't want you to go through that. And we know him very well. He had some money to kill, too. Right, right. I don't know. So there you go.

Dr. Drew.com has a certain ring to it. Draft Drew.com. I may get that URL. Start some trouble. Fair enough. But I'll tell you why I was thinking about it. It was when I, at the time, I was like, we got to do something. I mean, somebody's got to do something.

This is craziness. It was so out of control in California in particular. I was like, I just have to do something. My something right now is this. We're doing this. We're talking to people like you. We're raising awareness. And I really feel very good about the environment we're creating here.

And I thank you for being a part of it. And hopefully we'll see you soon. If I'm out in Boston, I'm going to – or if you're down in New York, let me know. We should get together soon. Sounds great. Thanks, brother. All right. You got it, man.

Pain to Power is where I want you to go. The book is The Trump Factor. Did I get the name right? Caleb put that up again, if got it, man. Pain to Power is where I want you to go. The book is The Trump Factor. Did I get the name right? Caleb put that up again, if you don't mind. They're Trump of your life, Trump of your life. It's interesting I turned that into The Trump Factor. I bet he thought about that as a name and it probably was already taken somewhere.

At this point, I want to switch gears and we're going to bring our friend Jennifer Say in. Let me get you her particulars if you give me just a second here. Okay. Where is your note to me? It just, did I throw it away?

Let's put, put up her. I don't have it all of a sudden. Can you put up her, her stuff that it's, you know, X. Yeah.

How weird. Quick and easy bio is this amazing woman turned down millions of dollars to stick to her principles. That's the short version of her story. And now she's expanding on that brand of sticking with her principles. That's right. And she was essentially raising an issue that was turned out to be categorically, I would say, not only correct, but probably the most important issue in the pandemic that was miscarried profoundly by our government, that was harmful on a level that could not be measured by the deaths, not even approximating the number of deaths from the pandemic in terms of the impact on what they

did in closing schools. You can get Jennifer at Jennifer Say, S-E-Y. Instagram, XX underscore XY Athletics. That's a hint at her new clothing line. XS underscore XY Athletic on Twitter. And also, she gave us the truthfits.com is where you can get some of her wear. Please welcome Jennifer Say. Welcome back. Hi, Drew. Thanks for having me.

Of course. Glad to be here. say welcome back hi june thanks for having me of course so here i i before we launch into the the product line i i want to know how you've been thinking lately about the topic of school closure i feel like since we last spoke you could still get canceled for saying the government was wrong for closing schools now it is not just abundantly clear, it is grotesquely clear. It's disgusting what they did to kids, particularly in states like mine. How are you feeling? How is the war, how's the fight going? Tell me some more. Well, your current state is my former state for 32 years. I left in 2021 so that my younger children could actually attend in-person school. I had a son who was halfway through kindergarten and had never met his classmates or his teacher, and that's not what I wanted his first experience of school to be. I want him to be excited about learning. I'm not feeling great, Drew. I mean, you know, the headlines are everywhere. New York Times is talking about the startling learning loss. CNN is talking about it, New York Times. They don't acknowledge, of course, that they contributed to prolonged school closures by doing nothing but fear mongering about children as super spreaders and so everybody seems to be trying to kind of memory hole

that they had anything to do with it it was patently obvious we didn't know how did we know we didn't know how did jennifer say no how did i know she knew i'm not a doctor and i knew i have children in public school it was obvious these are the most vulnerable children, not mine. My children are, you know, have every advantage, but I know their classmates. I know the population in the public schools. And just the mere fact that the private schools were all open and the public schools were closed was such glaring hypocrisy that I just couldn't abide it. And, you know, honestly, it didn't take me a second to know that this was problematic. I was outspoken from day one, March 13th, 2020, which, as you can imagine, in San Francisco,

was not, you know, a popular opinion to have. And so, you know, my neighbors, the citizens of San Francisco, came for both me and my husband. But we persisted. I attended school board meetings. I led rallies starting in the fall. But the in california that was the state closed the longest 19 months of school closures in california i hope i i know you'll not get an apology from any of these i i gotta hold my tongue you'll not you'll not get apologies for any of these citizens uh but how many do you think

how many do you think understand how grotesquely out of line they were and how wrong they were have they confronted that yet no i i actually don't believe that most well here's what i'll say i think there is a very passionate minority who still insists that they were right and that any amount of harm done to children was worth it because they still believe it saved lives, which it did nothing of the sort. It didn't slow the spread. There's plenty of data on this. And their identity has become so wrapped up in, you know, COVID fearfulness, COVID cautiousness, and not making them a good person because they care about other people. And they can't see the harm that was done. But I do think there's a significant percentage of the population that sort of, you know, stood by quietly, didn't

necessarily, you know, shame their neighbors, and they're starting to kind of realize that maybe they made a mistake. But the general, I think, vibe in the media is, well, we may have been wrong, but it was for the right reasons. And you may have been right, but it was for the wrong reasons. So you're still a terrible person. Wow. Wow. I mean, I hear it repeatedly. I mean, I heard Dr. Scott Galloway.

I don't know if you know who that is. He does a podcast with Kara Swisher. That's basically his view. He said it on Bill Maher a couple months ago. She sort of said the same thing this past weekend on Bill Maher. No. The right reasons. I have no problem saying that.

And you were wrong for the wrong reasons. And it was total myopia. And it's just, you know, I'm'm not a doctor but i can read the data and i understood from the outset that children were at little to no risk and i understood that being out of school was going to be incredibly harmful in myriad ways and that's exactly what happened literally a thousand fold less risk a thousand fold and in in countries like sweden where they kept the schools open there were no deaths and there was no difference in the teacher population relative to the women that and women and men of that same age uh across the country in other professions

yeah in other sweden that terrible right-wing country. That horrible right-wing country. Yeah, they must be MAGA. They must be Trump supporters, I guess. But, you know, and I can really, I can forgive people for being wrong, but for destroying and canceling people whom they disagree with, that's where there needs to be some sort of, I don't mean a settling of a score or a reckoning, but I'd like to see some real apologies for the behavior because the harming of other people who are right. And now, by the way, interested in silencing the free speech of people like Jennifer,

should there ever be something else where she needs to speak out? This is reprehensible. We all must do something about this. And if we don't have a degree of introspection, it'll just happen again. The same people are in control. Randy Weingarten is still in charge of the teachers union. I guess we have a different leader of the CDC, but similar mindset. Gavin Newsom is still the governor. Gretchen Whitmer is still the governor. I guess we have a different, you know, leader of the CDC, but similar mindset, you know,

Gavin Newsom is still the governor, Gretchen Whitmer is still the governor, you know, all the states that were closed the longest that vilified people like me, the same people are still in charge, and there's been absolutely no introspection about it. And so they'll do it again. I mean, you were just talking with your earlier guest about, you know, future pandemics that have already been sort of pre-identified. So without a sort of, you know, you're calling it settling the score. But I would just say a kind of what went wrong, which you do in business all the time. And I know we'll get to that in a second. But, you know, if you do a new product launch and it doesn't go well, you do a deep dive into what went wrong.

Well, we're not doing that because people are protecting their reputations. But the other thing that's happening, and I'm sure you've observed this, is everybody's doing this. I didn't do it. I didn't close the schools. He did it. He told me to do it. It's like, oh, I can't. I almost wish I'd been wrong because it's so frustrating now. Yeah, I get that. I get that. Well, speaking of making sure businesses thrive, talk to us about your new endeavor.

Yeah, so just two days ago, I launched my own brand. I never wanted to lead a startup, and we can get into kind of what led me there. I was always very happy being a leader in an established company. I actually really liked that. I was sort of a company person. But I saw a hole in the marketplace. Is that Riley Gaines? Is that Riley Gaines one of your models? Oh, that's so funny. He is. Riley is and Paula Scanlon is. And we've got another, a bunch of other truth tellers um we we wanted to feature people who are brave and you know speak inconvenient truths and and do it anyway even when slings and arrows are directed their way um but i realized there was just a hole in the

marketplace there's all these athletic brands that claim to stand up for women and champion women from nike to lululemon to you much smaller brands. And on this particular issue of really championing female athletes and protecting women's sports, not a peep. They don't do anything. And look, I've been a, you know, I have studied and paid attention to Nike my entire career, obviously one of the strongest brands in the world. The disconnect between their Women's History Month campaigns and how they pretend to champion women and how they actually treat real women inside the company, as well as their ambassadors, people like Alison Felix. And I can tell you that story, how they treat young athletes in their Nike's Oregon running

project, which is now shut down for abuse and doping they drove a young woman who had been the fastest runner young runner in the world they they drove her to the brink of suicide mary kane all of these things have been written about so the hypocrisy that divide between the image that's presented and the actual disrespect and disregard they treat women with, I think is reflected around this issue where women's sports are really, I think, at risk and endangered because of male-bodied, you know, trans-identified athletes that are competing in the women's category. So I just, you know, I looked at the situation and I thought, well, I'm a former athlete.

We haven't talked about that, but I was an elite gymnast in the eighties. I was the 1986 national champion. I've been very outspoken about the abuse in my sport was the first person to write about it actually in my book in 2008, I obviously have been outspoken on other subjects like kids. And so I'm not afraid of a little, a little controversy. And I've worked for one of the most famous and beloved brands in the world and rebuilt that brand Levi's. So it's kind of everything I was meant to do. And I just couldn't bear to go back into

a corporate environment where I'm constantly being told what I can say and what I can't say, and what I'm doing wrong, and how I don't understand women and how I talk too fast. I just want to do it my way. I'm 55 years old, I got one more shot at this, I know what I'm doing wrong and how I don't understand women and how I talk too fast. I just want to do it my way. I'm 55 years old. I got one more shot at this. I know what I'm doing. And it seems like a lot of people agree with us. We launched two days ago and we've sold several weeks of product in the first two days.

Oh, congratulations. That's a good deal. There is this world out there of people who want to support brands that support them, that they don't feel like the brands hate them, which is how it feels to buy brands these days sometimes. So congratulations. You want to say something here? Go ahead. Oh, no. I think that's true. I mean, people often say, they usually say, the vast majority of people say, I want to buy brands that support my values. And there are a ton of people that feel pushed away by, you know, I'll use it as a shorthand,

but those kind of woke capitalist stances that so many brands are taking. I don't see this as a political position, though, saying that men and women are different. That shouldn't be a political position. It's just true. Well, I see you more as someone who's really worried about women's sports and what does it mean when we're allowing all this funny,

you know, these, when we allow in post-pubertal males that are on estrogens, what does that mean? And, you know, these are sports oftentimes that won't allow any medication, any except this you can take these and so it's very it's very odd time and and i worry about women getting hurt uh you know and things well that's an issue as well

yeah well even in lower context sports like volleyball and basketball um young women high school students have been hurt. And just the last few months, there have been coaches that have called games off because so many athletes on the opposing team have been injured. So it's neither safe nor fair. And I think what's really concerning to me is the ideology that underpins allowing for this is that there is no difference between male and female bodies. And it's just, but I, I,

but even not going there, just not supporting women who would like support and protection of their discipline of their, of their competitions. I, to me, to me, to me,

it feels, it feels so anti-feminine. It's like not anti, I don't know what words to use. It gets weird when you try to express yourself, but anti-feminist, I guess it would be. It's the opposite of empowering women per se. And if you want to get into the language and say, cis females born as females with XX chromosome, they would like some protection and they get none.

And so it gets very challenging for me. It's very difficult. And a lot of it is perfect. It is. It is sexist. It is sexist. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah.

Under the guise of inclusion. And not only that, but any woman who speaks up, me, Martina Navratilova, you know, Riley Gaines, we're told to sit down and be quiet.

So women's empathy is being weaponized against us because I think women generally do want to be kind and inclusive or we sort of lean that way. And so way too many women who actually agree with us and this brand are quiet because they don't want to be seen as cruel or mean um but it's not sure i mean nobody wants that nobody wants that that's the point that's not the the issue here it's about how do we navigate these things in a way that are fair. That's right. And safe. Yeah. And safe. Exactly. And as I was saying, so much of this is medically managed and I worry

about my profession harming people inadvertently in all kinds of ways. So, well, tell them briefly the story in the book about Levi's Unbuttoned, how that happened to you. Yeah, I mean, it's really a book about my entire career. So if anybody's interested and you want to read it, you can actually get it on our website, thetruthbits.com. We're selling it as part of the assortment. I mean, it really is my entire career. It's not just my time at Levi's, though I did spend 23 years there. And look, I think it's an amazing brand. I'm so grateful for what I learned there.

And, you know, I did, I ended up resigning. That's a very small part of the book, though. It really is about my entire career and kind of coming to terms with the fact, look, I'm a lifelong lefty. And what I experienced, or I was up until 2020, what I experienced during 2020 and COVID was such a trespass of what I thought the left's values to be, their stated values, you know, protecting the little guys, standing up for kids, standing up for the vulnerable, protecting a little guy from big corporate interests, all those things were cast aside during COVID. And so it really is kind of, I guess you could call it my red pilling and realizing that this was not a party I wanted to be part of. And I dive into woke capitalism and how corporate leaders have really taken these woke stances to kind of wrap themselves in virtue to

avoid any scrutiny. I mean, Sam Bankman Freed, I think is the most obvious example, right? He furthered this idea of effective altruism. It was obviously a scam. How many years is he spending in prison now? But everybody ate it up with a spoon, including journalists, and no one interrogated his terrible, obviously illegal business practices. Two days before he was arrested, he was on stage with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the New York Times Dealbook Summit, and he was fawning all over him. I mean, what is going on? Journalists have completely abdicated their duty. And I think during COVID, that was, you know, I hold a special sort of disdain

for how journalists really failed science journalists in particular really failed to interrogate the issues here no that i i'm sort of i've always been kind of independent but i've been i've been registered democrat before i've leaned left and the the way things went down was and a big part of that was truth to authority right do you you go after and challenge authority you don't right toe their line all the time and that's bizarre to me and um you know but this I I have to you know I'm I'm not strictly speaking a conservative um and this recent attempt at the the i'm not even sure what they're doing in front of the supreme court right now with this another abortion case but it reminded me when i

used to have to fight against the right really hard against uh i was bringing the the gardasil vaccine in for for i was worried about hpv and cervical cancer and i know that's a controversial issue and there are people who have concerns about that. I know. But I was very, very... Most of the attack came from the right back in those days.

And then morning after... Here's the thing about morning after pill. I think they're assailing the morning after pill in the Supreme Court. And what drives me insane is the morning after pill

works by suppressing ovulation. That's how it works. That's how your birth control pill takes that you take every day. Same mechanism. Any hormone can interfere with implantation. So are we going to get rid of all hormonal contraceptives? And oh, by the way, IUDs specifically work by preventing implantation. And no one ever brings IUDs up in this conversation. So to me, it seems disingenuous unless you're going to get rid of all of it. If you really want to go there, well, at least that's philosophically consistent. So again, that was all stuff I was fighting back in the day. And now this is far worse, I assure you.

Yeah, I mean, the madness on the left, it's like you have to fall in line with every, you have to fall in line with every sort of, you know, tenant of the platform. And when it came to COVID, the key tenant was stay home forever. Don't mind it, brag about it. You're caring and giving if you're willing to do this

and lock your kids in their room. And I was having nothing to do with it. So guess that you know if i'm a conservative now i guess i'm like people used to say that to me as if it was like this insult now i'm like okay fine if the conservatives believe in free speech and they close public schools are bad then call me a conservative i don't even care anymore i mean mostly i feel exactly the same way yeah i believe in the truth i believe in keeping children safe i believe in free speech absolute free speech and that is my greatest concern these days that seems to be under massive assault so i i i have absolute categorical um uh it is my privilege to defend your right to bring up new clothing and to bring up the issues

you want to defend. I mean, that is just, I feel that with every piece of my being. So let's get behind Jennifer Say's group. I love mother power. Mother power needs to be more. Let's get behind. Now you said it is the truthfits.com is where you can buy the clothing. Is that correct? That is correct. Go check it out. We've got a first, this first delivery is basically cotton products, t-shirts, graphic tees,

joggers, sweatshirts. Very soon we have performance product coming in. So that's things like leggings and bike shorts and all the stuff you want to work out in. So there's a lot more coming. Stay with us, sign up for the email and you'll get updates on it.

But yeah, the sales have been crazy. The support has been amazing. That's great. Good for you. I hope you send something to Drew because I want him to wear it for V Shred. Okay, I'll wear it. I'll wear it. And it's men's and women's.

I want to be clear. It's men and women clothing, right? Yes, it's men's and women's. You'll get that Girl Dad shirt. You have a daughter, I believe, Drew. Is that correct? Oh, good. Yeah, you'll get that Girl Dad shirt. You have a daughter, I believe, Drew. Is that correct? Oh, good. Yeah, you'll get that one.

And I'll send here. I'll show it. I'll send this one. We are getting that one. And you too, Susan. That's a good one. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah, you got it. I'm sorry I didn't get there in time, but it's on the way. Don't worry. I'm sorry because I would have been wearing it right now. But Jennifer, thank you for coming back. And thank you for fighting the good fight and uh we'll talk soon back at you thank you thanks Dr. Ju all right you bet you got it um I'm seeing a lot of uh nonsense in the restream here saying that there's no such word as cis because I use that word let me just say two things this is where we speak our mind, everybody.

Thank you for bringing it up. A, I said specifically, I want to use language that's being used. So I want to use a language that I'm happy to pay respect to all sides. But people that say cis doesn't exist, you're wrong. Cis and trans are terms from organic chemistry. A cis molecule, but write up a cis ethanol molecule or something,

or I don't know what a good one, but put up a cis molecule and a trans molecule, like methanol or something. That's not going to work either. Put it up there, Caleb, and just look up quick an image for a cis molecule and a trans molecule. Trans means you have two things on either side of the molecule. Cis means it's on the same and a trans molecule. Trans means you have two things

on either side of the molecule. Cis means it's on the same side of the molecule. That's all it means. That's where it came from. It came from organic chemistry. One is the same, the other is across. So the across was what the trans was, was tends to refer to.

Nothing comes up, Caleb? That's sort of a surprise. I'm getting it. All right, good. Sorry to do that faster faster people are Greg says this no it's just language everybody just relax uh and and I but I'll tell you what though when we get to our after shoot you get what's that it could have been something that's hijacked I think it's you know it's real scientific term, and it's being hijacked by other people

and turned into something else. That's why people in the comments get mad. But whatever. I understand, but the point is it exists. There you go. There's cis and there's trans. You see? The cis, the CH3 is on the same side of the molecule,

and the trans is on the opposite side of the molecule. And there you go. That's it. That is cis and trans in organic chemistry. And there you go. That's it. That is cis and trans in organic chemistry. And I'm guessing they hijack those, that language. I don't care. I really don't care about language. And so I- We're old. Yeah. Is that your brother on the Rebel Rants? There's an l sailor there who identifies as a human uh very well could be i'm glad you identify as a human if that's you i have a brother named lee sailor uh but uh i just

want to say that we if we if we do when we do start this after show thing that's when we will go have at it a little bit everybody you can speak your minds as gloriously as you want and as aggressively as you want and i'll want and as aggressively as you want. And I'll probably respond as aggressively as I want because that's what we're going to do. We're going to get at it. I'm a she, her, and since testosterone replacement, bro. She, her, bro?

Yeah. Okay. So bro, so you're part trans. I am. You have trans by the testosterone replacement for your hormone replacement therapies. Fair enough. Uh,

right. Exactly. So let's get into tomorrow. If you don't mind, uh, let's see. Today's Wednesday, Thursday,

tomorrow. We got up. Let's get through the rest of the schedule. And then we have GF on Monday. We have Robert Barnes on Tuesday and down with Kelly on Wednesday, Drea de Mateo in the studio. I saw Caleb doing a few of the cross the table views of our new cameras and lighting. Robert Barnes on Tuesday. Ed Dow with Kelly on Wednesday. Drea DeMatteo in the studio. I saw Caleb doing a few of the cross the table views of our new cameras and lighting.

She will be here in the studio with me. So that's going to be fun. Jack Prasovic is on the schedule. I don't know if you just caught that. There we go. That's going to be, let's see, is that this? Yes. So she'll be sitting right under that camera right there.

And I have different- She's very excited. Oh, good. She was watching the show and she said that you really are, So she'll be sitting right under that camera right there. She's very excited. Oh, good. She was watching the show, and she said that you really are, she loves the way that you're fighting for freedom, and she's very excited now. Well, she's very much a free speech person. First, she was worried about it.

She was like, I am a little rough around the edges. I said, we love expletives. She goes, okay. Rough around the edges is, this is what we want to we want to um develop here we want to want to uh cultivate an environment of free expression that that's what i like now i understand that we have to be realistic in this environment i would say because i there's things i can't say as a physician for instance they're just they're realistic constraints on language and i think it's important that we respect the real like we can't yell fire in a crowded theater,

all the classic stuff, but in our own private Idaho, which I plan to create in the post-show, the walking, talking dead part of our show, we're going to mix it up. So you're going to have to, you're going to have to sign up at locals to get that one.

What's up, Susan Pinsky, your picture's up. You want to say something? What'd I do? I don't know. She was, she was talking.

You were getting ready to say something. She was talking. All right. I was, I, yeah, one day i'll be on camera when i do my hair and makeup and be vague ramaswamy coming in on april 9th i see it so we're getting him back in here i really thought he would be trump's vice presidential uh partner we'll see and we know uh that rfk jr no he hasn't rfk jr announced his. She's an interesting person, a patent lawyer. Been in Silicon Valley for a long time. I'll be interested to hear his reasoning and what he wants her to do and stuff.

I just like the way RFK mixes things up. So I'm going to trust and my bet that he had some very distinct reasons for bringing her. Well, of course he did. And we'll see what those are. And let's- At least three, maybe four people up on stage at his vice president announcement event who

have all been recent guests on this show. Jade Bhattacharya. Oh, no kidding. Big tree. Oh yeah. I was watching it and I was pretty much expecting, I don't know if they did or not,

but I, it was like any moment they were going to put up a clip from his interview on the show. Cause they used a bunch. We got invited to, we just couldn't go. Oh, we were invited to that.

Yes, we were. I didn't even know. I'm sorry. We couldn't go. Oh, we were invited to that? Yes, we were. I'm sorry. We couldn't go. Where was it? Why couldn't we go? It was in Oakland, I believe. And we were... We've been busy. Yeah, we had a show. But yeah, we have great guests

coming up. But I just also want to make a shout out to our new lighting system by Nanlite. And I'm not going to, I just cannot tell you how happy I am with these lights and the new backdrops. Susan is working very hard on this to benefit everybody and also to bring people into the studio

so we can do more stuff in here with live guests and whatnot. Yeah, because during the pandemic, the dogs decided that their little pee-pee spot was right under the guest chair. So we had to rip all the carpet out and we put in a new wall and we painted and we put up the lights and we had a professional come in and it just looks so good. I don't know if you guys noticed it, but I am so happy to come to work every day. And the lighting has been a key part of this. And

then we thank Nanlite for that. Yeah yeah we want everybody who's interested in lighting to look up nan light.com it's n-a-n-l-i-t-e.com look we we really are enthusiastic about the people that support us here the guys that brought us the blue mics this is an incredible we tested all these mics we found this one that's why it's sort of weirdly positioned here it's it's for the sound it's for you get the good sound and we are the nan lights and when we talk about the wellness company and I literally put the travel kit together with them. And when it's the

TruNiagen, I've been taking TruNiagen for 10 years and I've upped my dose lately because I've been convinced the science is even better than I thought. And there is all the folks that support us and we appreciate you supporting them. So there we go. We will see you tomorrow at 3 o'clock. Drea will be in the studio with us. Should be a lot of fun. Be here. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions

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