Ask Dr. Drew - A War On History: Brian Kilmeade Defends America’s Imperfect Path For Racial Equality – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 307

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Over 150 Confederate monuments have been torn down across America. Are the removers erasing history, or dismantling statues of treasonous rebels? In his latest book “Teddy and Booker T.: How Two American Icons Blazed a Path for Racial Equality” Brian Kilmeade explores the United States’ imperfect history of racial equality by chronicling the friendship between Booker T. Washington and President Teddy Rosevelt. “Booker T. Washington is somebody who was born a slave until he was nine years old. He looked up to Frederick Douglass,” Kilmeade told Barrett News. “Don’t run from [history]. Understand it. Don’t pull someone’s statue down. Understand what they did to get that statue. Understand they weren’t perfect and understand that nobody is.” Brian Kilmeade is co-host of “Fox & Friends” and host of the nationally syndicated radio show “The Brian Kilmeade Show” on Fox News Talk. He is the author of multiple New York Times bestselling books, including his latest: “Teddy and Booker T.: How Two American Icons Blazed a Path for Racial Equality.” Follow him at https://x.com/kilmeade and learn more at https://briankilmeade.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are welcoming today Brian Kilmeade, of course, you know Brian from, he was the co-host of Fox and Friends. He's also frequently on Gutfeld and other aspects of the Fox Nation. He's host of the nationally syndicated radio show, The Brian Kilmeade Show on Fox News Talk. And of course, he's the author of multiple New York Times bestselling book, including The President and The Freedom Fighter. And today that is being followed The President and the Freedom Fighter. And today that is being followed by Teddy and Booker T. So we are going to look at how Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln shaped race in America and how Teddy Roosevelt and Booker T took that ball further down the field to where we need to have it, ought to have it.

And that he's making the case that we shouldn't be running from history. We should be looking at it, understanding it. It's okay to disdain it. It's okay to have feelings about it, but to examine it. And as you know, and I've said almost every day the last couple of months, I've been obsessing about the French history and the French Revolution, how that is impacting on this present moment. So we will get into it with Brian Kilmeade after the break. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian

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Roseanne Barr coming in on Wednesday. Dr. Paul Alexander. We've got Peter McCullough coming. We got just great guests coming. And today is no exception. Please welcome Brian Kelme, the co-host of Fox and Friends and the host of the new book

regarding Booker T and Teddy. Teddy and Booker T, how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. Hey, Brian. Thanks for having me on, Dr. Drew. Appreciate it. It's always a pleasure. Good to see you. So just give us the frame on the book and what led you to write it.

I will tell you two things from my perspective. It's a natural follow-on to your book about Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass, it seems to me. And last time I did your radio show, you assigned me the reading of Booker T's book. I forget what it's called. It's like a diaries. Up From S from slavery. And it was phenomenal. I mean, it was a firsthand account. It was incredible. So thank you for that. And so it's no sort of, it seems like no accident to me

that Booker T inspired you to write this book. Yeah, I mean, what he is, is probably one of the most impressive Americans to ever live. And when you start the book saying, essentially, I'm, what he is is probably one of the most impressive Americans to ever live. And when you start the book saying, essentially, I'm born a slave, never had shoes, necessarily pants, slept on the floor, never knew my father on my birthday. My mom was working 18 hours a day. She was only there to make dinner.

A lot of times we'd have one meal and she'd have to go basically steal it from the rest of the farm. And then she remembers going, being called to the main house on a plantation and seeing a union soldier read something that he now assumes was the Emancipation Proclamation and you're free. And that kid, nine years old, ends up being one of the most influential Americans, one of the most challenging times, you have my attention. And then when you research it, and you see Teddy Roosevelt kind of all over it, served on the Tuskegee board. He was a key advisor to the President of the United States. He was a commencement, he gave a commencement address, the controversial dinner at his house. I thought, let me tell these two stories. Most people say, I know the name Booker T,

I don't know what he did. And everybody knows Roosevelt, I think, outside Lincoln, the most written about president. And that just was like a privilege to research their lives, and that would coincide it. So I know a bit about both of them. The Booker T mostly threw what you exposed me to. And yeah, he built a school from nothing. It was incredible the way he did that. I mean, his relentlessness he kind of reminds me of elon musk with that kind of relentless building and doesn't take no for an answer and and obviously a very bright man do you do i wondered as i was reading it is if his heritage came under any um criticism for being too enthusiastic about adopting sort of the Eurocentric white culture of the time.

Do people attack him for that ever? Do you know? Wow, you cut right to it. And that's why, because I met with Ben Jealous, who is one of the leaders of the NAACP. And I wanted to find out what exactly in the black community, I wanted to find out why exactly he doesn't resonate, why Malcolm X always did, currently now, and why a lot of people don't embrace MLK. They want conflict, and they thought he was too accommodating. I thought he was very realistic. He decided in the Jim Crow South, when they were hanging people for interracial relationships, when they were making up crimes for the most successful black people, for they were threatening them not to go to the polls. In the middle of the Jim Crow South, when the reforms of the Civil War were melting away,

he said, I'm going back when I could have stayed in the North or went to Europe, and I'm going to start a school right in the middle. And I'm going to show white people who I don't hate, even if they hate me, I will not allow them to dominate me by letting me hate them. He talks about things that have nothing to do with race, but have things to do with success in life. And all the time, I have to go back and look up some of these figures to see what color they were, that meant so much to them. Most of them were white. And he goes back there and says, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to show them through education, there is no difference between blacks and whites. And he would say for generations, they learned there was.

And they'd see African-Americans working in the fields, not without an education saying, of course, we're superior. And then there's Booker T. Washington. Then there's Frederick Douglass. And then there's people who get an education and you see them excel and you see them flourish. And white farmers and businessmen and women going, wait a second, maybe my parents and grandparents were absolutely wrong. So a thousand at a time, maybe 1200, 1300 at a time, you would graduate African-Americans, first generation who learned to read and write, but had to learn a skill. This is why I got Mike Rowe in the back of the book. They had to learn in occupation. He said, because white America wasn't ready to hire you yet. So you have to be indispensable. Don't hate. Show them what you can do. Learn the classic, but learn a craft. I'm a sheet metal worker.

I want you to not only learn how to build a house, I want you to learn how to make bricks. I want you to be an agricultural expert. I want you to be able to work with your hands on anything pot and while at my school, almost from the karate kid, you know how he had the kid actually paint the

house and build the fence? He was learning skills. They actually built the i i think students built the students built the school i i remember that and they and they provided the food and they did the cooking they did all the stuff and and then went out and used those women too yeah it's very what's that and uh and women women professors uh women teachers they also women were invited to have a skill. Oh, yeah. Look, this was a – I would call him a spiritual leader as much as an intellectual leader. He had a very spiritual sort of presence about him.

It came through in his biography that he wrote. But the – oh, shoot. I lost my train of thought about – I was going to, how does Teddy Roosevelt fit into this? And what was, is he, was he like Lincoln, sort of Eurocentric, a little racist and was converted by Booker T the way Frederick Douglass sort of brought Abraham Lincoln along? So, you know, the thing that made this successful, I think the book successful is because the Roosevelt family cooperated. And, you know, I went to them right away. I was looking at Booker T Washington. I went to tweet Roosevelt, the great grandson. And I said, am I reaching? Am I reaching?

And they said, no. He had blind spots. And that's why some idiots want to box up his statues. He was a person of his times. But because his mom was from the Confederacy. His two brothers, the uncles, were fighting for the South. Do you think when your mom is who you worship and your dad, who's from the North, who she begged not to get into the war, and he was six years old that the Civil War was happening, it is not something he had to read in a book. He lived it. Don't you think his mom at some point

goes, you know, there's a tendency of blacks and whites, and they were slaves on the houses that we worked on, and that's what he heard. And he would say some things where everyone deserves liberty, but we know whites are superior to the blacks. But I think he evolved in his life. And part of it was reading the same book I asked you to read. Drew, he got up from slavery in advanced copy. All his friends said, you got to read this book. He was vice president. And he gave it to his wife, Edith, and said, you've got to meet this guy. And they met April 1st, 1901 in New York City. And they basically said, listen, my goal is to be president. I don't know if it's

going to happen, but I want to work together with you. And he said, great. Why don't you visit me in Tuskegee? He goes, fantastic. McKinley gets shot a few weeks later, dies a few weeks after that. He becomes president. And he essentially says, how would you like to be my key advisor on judges, on postmasters? And one of the quotes was, and I can just paraphrase it, don't tell me the gender. Don't tell me the color. I just want to know the most qualified person. I mean, and sometimes it gives you, it sends up shivers up your spine to think how much they wanted to change things together.

How much they knew it was things together, how much they knew it was wrong what they were experiencing in the South, but they knew what they could only do so much. It's got to be incremental. And they were somebody who were very practical. I don't like what's going on, but how do I change it realistically? So if Booker T was, I'll sharp him and said, there was an unjust lynching down the road. There were people prevented from voting yesterday. Okay, if he took all those stands, there would be no Tuskegee. There would be no 1,200 African Americans graduating a year,

flooding the region with teachers because they had to teach, free education in exchange for teaching, and then into business. So he had to pick his spots. And that bothers people that said, like W.E.B. Du Bois, who said, you're too accommodating. You're telling people, well, to be friends with Andrew Carnegie and J.P. Morgan, Teddy Roosevelt, William McKinley and Grover Cleveland, you have to accommodate. He says, that's wrong. He goes, no, it's real. But he didn't hate W.E.B. Du Bois. He would find out their point of view. He actually had a theological background for a while.

He was in the seminary. And then he spun out, trying to make a bigger impact. And I think you must realize that too, if I could be an outsider's perspective. You must have some clients that you sit with in sessions and you see so much wrong. You almost want to throw up your hands. But you have to build incrementally and show their advances gradually, right? And if you can't get somebody, you got to move on because the big picture is help as many people as possible, but you got to be practical. And that's what he was. We actually have an aphorism for that, which is progress, not perfection. And that's what we, you know, you have to live by that because people don't, it's not a straight road to keep the model going of recovery.

It's not a straight road to full recovery. It's not like it's something that just you're, it's a straight line. It's a progressive process like it's something that you're just, it's a straight line. It's a progressive process and it's highly unpredictable, the forward and backwards and all the things that can happen along the way. That's part of how humans work.

Yes. And I'll give you one story that stands out because it stood out for Booker T. Washington and he told you to tell your girls about it and they laughed. So the controversial dinner was, if people don't know, it was referenced by John McCain in 2008. He just decided to do what he did as governor. If you have a friend that's black or white,

if it's a late night, you stay over. No problem. Well, at the White House, he finds out Booker T. Washington is in Washington. He goes, come on over, let's have dinner. He said, Booker T. Washington said, that might be a problem, but the president asked me to go. It's in writing. I'm going. So he shows up and he has dinner with the family. Somebody looks at the manifest and says,

who is this Booker T. Washington? Why was he eating dinner with you? He's black. It becomes a national scandal in the South. Horrible racist things are written. Got it. So they said, well, we got to bring this relationship more practical. Come over at 11 and four. Let's not have dinner together. And let's gradually change things. Now, one day he's waiting for the train and a man walks up to him and says, you're Booker T. Washington. He's a white guy. And he says, yeah. He goes, you're one of the finest men in America, if not the finest. And he said, sir, thank you so much. But it's actually, in my view, it's the president of the United States, President Roosevelt. And he looked at him and said, I used to think so too, until he had you over for dinner. Now think about that mindset.

He think there was nothing wrong. Think about like, especially you who want to think where that comes from. He said, I realized at that moment I can't help that guy. But he said, I realized I have to let't help that guy but he said i realized i have to let sleeping dogs lie and maybe i have to wait for a generation so he is willing to but never equal it's really something i it really you just you when you when you i mean i have a certain amount of sort of denial about it. Like I don't want to accept it. The other thing, I want to go back to the way Booker T has been sort of not fully embraced by many black historians and black leaders and thinkers. And two other things that I learned from his book was that there were a lot of the former slaves like him who were very

enthusiastic about learning and they were so I mean so motivated and so grateful to be able this opportunity to join the general culture it wasn't something he wasn't Booker T wasn't accommodating in a sense that he himself was different or somehow passive in how he dealt with the circumstances of the day. The other thing which jumped out at me that was just fascinating, in some of these schools, he was in there, if I remember right, with Native Americans, with First Nation folks. And many of them, listen to this, many of them were slave owners. Many of the people in the class with him, the Indians or the Native Americans, had been slave owners. And they disdained the African Americans for, do you remember this part? Where they disdained them for becoming slaves as opposed to dying resisting.

You remember this? Right. This was the Native American view of black America was the fact that you allowed yourself to be captured or somebody from your family or whatever, and you didn't die, that therefore we sit in judgment of you. And they were slave owners, which I didn't realize Native Americans

had been slave owners. Yeah, almost everybody. Do you know in Columbus, I was starting to research Columbus because he was so controversial all of a sudden. So do you know when he landed in the Bahamas and Haiti,

we now know as Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Do you know that some of those tribes were enslaving other tribes? Because Dr. Drew, as we learned, is because you conquer back then and then you control. I mean, it's in the Bible.

All of a sudden they act like we invented it. The 1619 Project. Everybody was free until America decided this experiment with slavery is just so wrong to put people in our times. But to your point, he also mentioned too, when he would go to Washington,

he would think it would be trouble getting a hotel. But Indians had at least a lot less problems with a hotel than blacks getting a hotel. When he went up there, he always thought that was interesting because he was mentoring people, trying to give them an idea of what an education could bring and the power you could achieve. And yet they were treated better in Washington than maybe the most famous black men. And I'll bring you to another story that I think is interesting. And that is when you talk about accommodating, he said in some of his other books

that really, I just want to get in depth in research rather than really help me in this book. But he would say, think about African-Americans as the white men went to fight in a civil war, they could have easily overtaken that plantation, killed all the women, or just taken over and owned everything. They showed their loyalty to the country, to the cause, and to their slave master. So they fought, and he points out they fought in every single war, including the revolution. And he just said, if you want to know loyalty, that's loyalty.

They were able to trust, the white people were able to trust blacks with their families as they went to war and with their healing when they came back. And I'll bring you somewhere else. When it was time to come back for the South to be free, the white people were lost. And this is what Ron DeSantis was referring to two months ago. They had no skills. Black people did everything because they were slaves. They had the skills. They could do the construction. They could build the fences. They could take care of the fields. They took care of the crops. They couldn't, these guys couldn't fix the doorway.

They couldn't hang a door. They couldn't paint. They weren't painting the house. So they, a lot of them stayed on and maybe took a minimal pay for housing because they almost felt bad for the white people who were their slave masters because they knew nothing. And that's what made me think of Michael Rowe too, is that we are as a country, we've stopped being able to build anything anymore. And as a nation, we can learn from that. That's what DeSantis was saying. He wasn't saying slavery was good. He was saying when slavery ended,

a lot of African-Americans had skills like handymen, construction, agriculture, metal workers, whatever, not saying that slavery was good. And that was his point, which he didn't expand on. Yeah, the psychology is a little complicated, though, this psychology of having been enslaved and sort of not knowing how it's, you know, it, it, it reminds me of what happened when, if you remember in Schindler's list,

when the concentration camps were, were free, they just sat there in the camp. Now what? Now do we, we don't know how to, we don't, we don't have that.

It's a psychology yes a psychology gets going and so on one hand it's like yes the black america should be very proud of what what they did and the contributions but the idea that it was just out of duty is like there's a lot more going on at the time and And by the way, and then you walked out into the world, into that Jim Crow era. It's like, oh boy. It's really interesting to me that we really have to come to terms with so much of this.

And it's not a simple thing, right? And I always felt like that's what you were trying to help us do. And to me, you and I had this conversation before. Frederick Douglass, his words can lead us out of this. I don't know, Booker T, not so much, but I know you did this other book on Frederick Douglass and Lincoln. Frederick Douglass' speeches, I swear to God, you said Booker T is one of the greatest Americans. I think Frederick Douglass may be the greatest American. His words could get us forward. True. Booker T. Washington looked up to Frederick Douglass, and he came and spoke at Tuskegee, too.

And there's no doubt about it, he was inspiration. He was the Marco Polo of explorers, of race relations. And he was a little like Muhammad Ali, you and a little like Barkley, you know, challenging. He had a sense of humor, but he had a determination to change things. And both men could have lived great lives in Europe. And they came back to make our country better. And, you know, he was like, he was, before Lincoln came along, Douglas has almost given up on the country. He said, wait, if this Republican. He was touring England.

He was making a living touring England and Ireland. He was a giant celebrity over there. He was also a fugitive. And white people paid for his freedom to make sure he wouldn't be arrested when he got back while being a best-selling author because his biography was like, wow, is this what life as a slave is like?

Is this real? And they go, of course it's real. There he is. He takes his shirt off and there'd be whip marks on his back. And then he'd keep on improving on that. So we need that. But see, the thing is, Dr. Drew, I don't hate the country or like it less because this happened. I think it's so realistic and it's so important to understand how far we've come, how many people have sacrificed and grown throughout it. That makes us look at these other people for inspiration and for clarification on why we're the country we are today. It's not because we're perfect. It's because we try to be. And just an also important point to note that we were en route to a much faster recovery until the compromise of 1876.

When we got a, believe it or not, electoral college breakdown again, right after the Civil War, they could not decide who won five separate states, Samuel Tilden versus Rutherford B. Hayes. And they were about to come up to the point where another constitutional crisis, where they cut a deal. And they said, well, let the Republican, well, let Hayes become president. But I want you to pull the Union troops out of the South. And Hayes says, I'll deal with it. I'll say yes to that. But you got to promise not to go back to where you were.

And they broke their promise to a degree with Jim Crow. No, that was, yeah. And that's why I've always said that John Wilkes Booth did more damage to this country than Bin Laden and all these other guys. And here's why yeah you put lincoln with uh president grant general grant and you combine them with frederick douglas and other greats uh in the senate we might if in the 18 if they survived the 1860s we might not have needed the 1960s yeah this is what i've always said that that the so-called Reconstruction period, which is what you're talking about, was so horrific. When you read about it, the violence, the horrible racism, it was so horrible that I almost feel like it was such a profound trauma that we put it behind us and don't want to think about it because because when you read about it yeah it's just it's just an unbelievable period of history

i i i think i first got sort of really into it reading the grant biography and then reading the douglas biography and then getting deeper into what was going on there you know people we have all these um people still are traumatized by the idea of, say, lynching, right? Lynching was not something that really happened during the slavery era. Because if you lynched a slave, the slave owner would kill you for destroying something that was his. And lynching came in this Reconstruction era. And Frederick Douglass said it himself. He said, we've given up the lash for the shotgun.

And that was, truer words never spoken. It was so violent and so awful. And you're right, that compromise unleashed it. It just became, there were actually massacres as a result of that. So the question is, since everything, I think everything that we just said is indisputable. We didn't soft pedal anything, right? We also know that people grew up and have certain beliefs. So they grow up and they believe certain things and they're in a certain era.

We look back at those eras and the most obvious one is same-sex marriage. If I told you in 2008 that the guy would be president of the United States, Barack Obama, said that marriage is between a man and a woman. In 2012, if you said that, you would look at someone who is anti-gay or was unenlightened. Barack Obama in 2008, if you're gay, don't hate him. Notice how people, the country evolved in 2012. And we understand more. Don't hate previous eras. Understand they're going to look back in 2024, not this show, and say, can you believe these guys? Can you believe what they said? But looking back at

history, you go back and the question is, what do you do about it? Do you say, like Gavin Newsom said, let's study reparations to pay people for, because of the color of their skin, for sacrifices they didn't have to make, for suffering they didn't go through because of the color of their skin, for sacrifices they didn't have to make, for suffering they didn't go through because of what society was like at that previous time, which you might not even have relatives who are in this country and your family might be blended in a different way. It's impossible to go back and make amends

to something that happened almost 100 years ago in some cases. But notice if there's an inequity, if there's a school like Woodrow Wilson was so happy, evidently, that he was at Princeton and didn't allow one black in there. He was so happy. And that's the Democratic president of the United States that replaced Taft after that big controversy when Roosevelt came back. Okay. Most of these guys are all Democrats, by the way. You know, that's also important to point out. So if you're going to be bitter, don't be bitter at Lincoln.

He was Republican. You could be upset in the 1960s. But like when Nikki Haley made that mistake, and it was a mistake, was asked about the Civil War. And she said, well, the cause of that was state rights and liberty. What are you talking about? It was fundamentally slavery, became a bigger story, even through it all, free states and slave states.

We know this. How she blew that, I don't know. But for the most part, we're a country that's evolved to the point where we may have over compensated for inequities for minorities and is creating perhaps a resentment from people who don't feel a bias. Dr. Drew, you did not ask me the first time he came on the show. I'm going to go on the Brian Kilmeade show. I don't know him.

Is he white or black? I don't know if I should read this book. Was the author white or black? Maybe they said that 150 years ago, but they don't say it now. And there are people out there that have these horrible views of Hispanics and women in the workplace and whatever it is. You can't legislate that. You can't pay people because the previous generation was biased. I think we have to understand that we're the most successful multicultural country in the history of the world, have an awareness of our past, ways to improve, but we can't do this big apology thing

with the 1619 Project that looks to vilify a nation that almost everybody else in the world would rather live in than the one they are in. Well, Brian, hang on here. We got to take a quick break. Again, I suggest you go get both of his books.

This is Booker T, Teddy and Booker T. There it is. And Caleb, if you can get the Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass book up there too. What was that called again, Brian? I forget the name. The President and Freedom Fighters. And Freedom Fighters.

President and Freedom Fighters. So these are great ways to study history. Brian has done a lot of work sort of collating things and bringing things together. These are complicated periods of history with a lot going on. And he does you a favor by bringing it together and bring it under, there it is,

the president of the Freedom Fighter. He bringing it under a theme, right? You're gonna learn about the relationship between these two and the complexities there. We will talk when we get back. Maybe we'll keep going with that topic, Lincoln and what Frederick Douglass called his white supremacy. We'll analyze that and be back right after this. Are you one of the millions of American women and men dealing with premature hair thinning and hair loss? Or maybe you're scared about inheriting that thinning look

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know him from Fox and Friends. And Brian, one of the things that jumped out at me about Frederick Douglass was I was reading, I must have been reading his biography. And in the opening chapter, yeah, the author chose to talk about the day that there was the consecration of the uh emancipation uh proclamation of the emancipation act uh and it is a statue in the washington mall that was uh dedicated that day and they asked frederick douglas to speak and he said you know, I will speak. You may not like what I have to say. And they said, well, Lincoln was your friend. Yes, he was my friend and he was a great man, but I'm going to have to speak my mind.

And they go, oh, we want to hear from you. And he got up and he said, this man was a great man. This was an extremely important day. We have learned that there's much more to be done. But make no mistake, President Lincoln was a white supremacist. And I was clutching my pearls. I was, what? My Abraham Lincoln? I know he was a racist to start with, and he seemed to have gotten over his racism across his presidency or improved it. And I, through reading more and more and more of Frederick Douglass' speeches, I came absolutely to understand what he, I didn't know what he meant. I didn't know what it was. That's how blinded I was.

And he opened, the scales fell from my eyes because of his because of his words that there there is this this sense uh of eurocentrism euro superiority that was infecting certainly at that point of the time and you see it in teddy roosevelt so it persisted for quite some time what are your thoughts on that a couple of things he said he went on to say, if I remember the speech correctly, because I took an excerpt from it. And one of the things he said that I do, I do these shows on stage where I talk about all these books in a conversational way, take questions. And I just thought it was necessary to take on the war in history and actually fight it with facts. When I'm on stage, every show is a little bit different and it's kind of fun, motivational, inspirational, patriotic. And I bring up Frederick Douglass. And he was so impatient with Lincoln. He's like,

when the war started, he's like, free the slaves. And Lincoln said, no, I'm not going to free him. He knew America at that time was not ready to fight to free the black men. But a year or two in, when things started evening out and the South started gaining some traction and they started realizing that that's going to be the best way to victory. And he goes and finally meets Lincoln. He realizes, he says it, he said,

if Lincoln listened to me, uh, he goes, I looked at him as impatient, uh, plotting and basically laconic about his approach to black rights. But in his eyes, he was actually going at the exact right pace for the country in

which he leads. That was his responsibility, not the country he wanted, but the country he had to lead. Next thing you know, African-Americans are fighting in the war. He's recruiting African- Americans for Lincoln. They were working together and they're talking about causing an insurrection, John Brown style in the South, letting the slaves know, go ahead, rise up against your masters. We got your back. Because if you find your freedom, the country's going to be, when we win this war, you're going to be free. So what he was trying to say is he was present for the white man. And he said, little by little, he realized that didn't make him a bad person. He was a person of his times. But the people kind of knew, in my opinion, too,

that he knew he was going to speak like that because Grant was the president. Ten years after the dedicating the statue, which was so controversial during the George Floyd riots. And I went back to that, did a stand-up on it. We did a whole feature on it. And he goes back to it. And they kind of knew that

he was going to let america have it and grant was okay with that because it was because they they looked to him for truth they they wanted him to help us see the truth uh and and my goodness uh the man had a he was the greatest orator of art of's history, I think, in terms of the combination of brilliance and persuasive power. But back to Lincoln and his choices, he was a profound pragmatist. He was almost like autistic in his pragmatism. And had he freed the slaves early,

he would have lost Kentucky. And if he lost Kentucky, he might've lost the war and then there would have been no freedom for the slaves. And Maryland. And Maryland, that's right. And on top of that, he did not have freeing

the slaves as the priority. His priority was keeping the Union in its proper alignment. That was his priority. It was a legal mind. That's the way he thought about things. What's that? This is how right you are.

This is what drove Frederick Douglass nuts. How do we know that? He had a newspaper. He wrote about it. He said, look, he knew. Lincoln basically reached out in the middle of the war and said, listen, you put down your guns, you can keep your slaves. We'll talk about this.

We can just get the country back together. Lace the country back together. And Frederick Douglass says, are you kidding? He hadn't met him yet. Are you kidding me? All of this bloodshed, all of this struggle, all the abolitionist movement, the John Brown

intrusion. Massacre. The gold part of the massacre, yeah, that happened and he ended up getting killed and hanged. He goes, you would actually give that up? He goes, yeah, because what's his objective? Getting the union back together, working us through the other element of it. That's why he went up to Sam Houston from his other book. Sam Houston says, I don't want to fight this war.

He's the president of Texas and he became governor of Texas. And they said, okay, if you don't want to fight the war, then you might as well quit as governor. Lincoln reached out to him and said, listen, if you just stay out of the war, I'll provide you protection. You can do whatever you want with the slaves. I got to keep this country together. It would be a lot easier if Texas was not fighting in the south. And Sam Houston said, listen, I lost this. I'm the only one who feels this way.

But here's something you'd appreciate. This is why I love Douglas and I love Booker T. Washington. Because time and time again, I found myself getting life lessons from him and less race lessons from him. This is when Booker T. Washington asked him, listen, what did you do when you were Frederick Douglass and they told you to get in a different car and you refused to leave and then you got picked up and dragged to another car? He said this to Douglas. Booker said, Douglas said this to him. He goes, they cannot degrade Frederick Douglas. The soul is within me

as no man can degrade. I am not the one that is being degraded on account of this treatment, but it's those who are inflicting it upon me. And that's Booker T. Washington. You can't get me to hate you. You're just not worth enough to me. It takes too much energy. If you

don't like me, i'm going to move on but i will not hate you and i think we could all learn from that it's interesting epictetus the maybe the first stoic philosophers or one of the first um had a similar he was a slave also uh and epictetus just means sort of object or owned object. It's something that somebody owns. And he had the very similar sort of orientation to the people that beat him and enslaved him. It's very interesting. Now, I want to go back to the Southern insurrection. And it occurred to me that it sort of has echoes in the present moment. Do you think we're going to learn through the courts a definition of insurrection? Because Lincoln had a very specific definition in his head. And he did not believe,

for instance, that secession was a possibility. When you have a contract amongst equals, the union, and one member of that contract steps out, that's not secession. That's out of your normal alignment in insurrection. Do you think we're going to get a court sort of definition coming forward because of all the January 6th stuff? I would love to get one because that was one day, as bad as it is. And I don't think there's an answer to that was the plan. The plan was to take over the House and then force Trump to stay in power. I don't think that if you, the same people that said Trump win Russia, Vladimir Putin plotted together to slay Hillary Clinton, you can't also say that and call him a moron. You can also say that Trump was out there fighting because he thought he was wrong. But if there were so many people that were just walking through the Capitol and others were doing what they were doing in the Capitol, which was some badass things, and I do not support it,

any Trump supporter that truly believed what Trump believed would never attack a cop. What I was seeing attacking law enforcement that day, and I don't know if you know this, Dr. Drew, but my text messages to Mark Meadows became public knowledge. It was read by Liz Cheney. And I was saying to Meadows, what are you doing? He's got to get out in front of the camera. Do you understand how bad this is? Who are these people? And also Eric wrote me back and said, right, there's no way these are our people. You know our people, you've been to our events. No one attacks law enforcement and acts this way. And we do know that most of the Trump people got beat up during that. I don't want to get into politics, but we will get a definition. But why is it that Jack Smith,

with everything that he aggressively is charging, and that's what he's known for I think he's overcharged his whole case in every aspect and we'll see shortly why would he not say yeah insurrection I got enough here to say insurrection he hasn't said that you know so I think we'll get a definition but insurrection is

I think well so okay so two things. Yes, Andrew Jackson was the first legal mind to put his head to the notion of secession because he had a secession crisis as well. And he was very clear. He was the first one to use the logic that Abraham Lincoln later used, which was there is no such thing as secession. You're talking nonsense when you say secession.

And then on the other hand, Jack Smith, is that his name? Again, the politics of the day sort of escaped me many times. He's the prosecutor on. yeah i i get the sense that they're holding back a little bit because of exactly this reason that they don't want it to go to a higher court and get a definition that doesn't that doesn't fit what happened on january 6th i have a feeling that that's some of it and i somebody's going to overstep and we're going to get that definition and we should have that definition we should understand what that was what is this now brian kill me oh this is your these are your tweets or your your texts that's what i wrote can you see that yep yeah please get him on tv he's destroying everything you have accomplished so yeah and i you know that brian

yeah brian i i you know one of the reasons you and i like talking to each other is I feel we have a similar, let's call it affection slash fascination with our country and its history, right? I mean, that's what you and I like talking about together all the time. And I lately, and I'm going to ask you to sort of explain this to me, and I brought this up almost every day lately. I become completely preoccupied with early 20th century Russia, a little bit, and very preoccupied with 1789 France. echoes of the, at least the psychology of our present moment in what the thinking was and the behavior was and the personality constructs were around the early days of the French Revolution. And so I'm going to ask you, why do you think I'm preoccupied about that? And I have noticed something, because I've been doing it for a few months now i've been digging in deep that the french are re-embracing their history there used to be a lot of really negative feelings about particularly napoleon

and they now call it the black myth or something the mythic noir if i remember right and and they're saying no no that was created by the british to disdain this man and in fact when he was when he died when he was measured on his deathbed he was exactly average for frenchmen of the day he wasn't even short he was not a short person he was an average height man and they they sort of vilify the the between the english and the french disdain and the french confusion about english and the french disdain and the french confusion about their and sort of disdain for their own heritage and they are going back and re-embracing it and saying oh no we are sick of this we are embracing our heritage we have a great

history a great culture a great language a great uh culinary history we we want it back we want to own it we want to we want to re-entrench in it i'm seeing that i think um a do you think that's true and b could we maybe benefit from some of that and then c is that why i'm so preoccupied with the french revolution because i'm worried about the present moment and its impact you remind me me, Andrew Roberts' book on Napoleon, I started, didn't finish. But I do not, I'm not an expert. I just know broad strokes on that era

when they got rid of the czars and elites and royalty. And they just were tired of the, they were tired of the two-tier justice system. They were tired of the two-tier poverty and wealth and a chance for success. And I'm thinking about Albert Anthony's song. And this guy comes out of nowhere, this guy who's apolitical, and just talks about how he can't get ahead. The dollar's worth nothing.

And why the rich men and rich men are deciding everything. And who are these people? Why are you focused on Epstein Island? And why are you not focused on other? We have 80,000 unaccompanied minors who we have lost track of. We have all this other trafficking and you're focused on Epstein Island. So he writes that song, which is a little bit simplistic way of tackling your issue. I think we're there. I hope it doesn't end up with the violence of the revolution. but I did read some fascinating things about Lafayette and James Monroe, who's an unsung hero of America's early days. And he, you know,

they were great friends. He was great friends with Jefferson. He was great friends with Washington, but Monroe came to see him during that time. And I'm sure, you know, this Dr. Drew and he basically was fighting for his life.

He had lost everything. And Jefferson was able to help mouth and get him some furniture and help now with the embassy, the American embassy in France at that time, and maybe protect him and save him from a lynching. Lafayette, who meant so much to Americanism. So I love, I did not know the French were re-embracing their past, but they need to. I mean, they lost a third of their country to illegal immigrants or immigration, ungoverned immigration, and really didn't want any part of France. They just wanted out of their country, which we're going to be experiencing shortly with the 7 million that Joe Biden let in.

Let's say we don't have immigrants. There's a way to do it. And there's a way that he's doing it, which to me, that's impeachable more than anything else that we've witnessed, including what Bill Clinton did. But yeah, I hope we're not at that time where it ends up in violence, but a recalibration would be great. But what gets me is recalibrate, but don't run back from America's role in the world. America has a role in the world.

It is more than just our shores. You know, it just is not going to ever, no responsible leader would ever let Israel wither, our allies be destroyed by aggressive China and Russia, by Ukraine being eaten alive because they're not a perfect democracy. That's not what America has done since World War II. And that's really what's our, it's our best hope in the world. My hope is that a lot of these people who like J.D. Vance, who I like, and Josh Hawley, who I respect, who just want no part of America and Ukraine

and helping out Israel, give them a check and don't worry about it. I think that's just the wrong attitude. So when we left our last meeting together, you gave me a reading assignment. I'm thinking this time I might give you one. And it's a historical figure that you're no doubt familiar with,

but I want you to take a real good look at Alexis de Tocqueville, both here and in France. I understand why you looked at Lafayette, but de Tocqueville, I think, was the real mover. He was the mover of ideas in France and here. He wrote Democracy in America, and it's still a classic. I may pick it up and read it again. But I didn't realize he had so much effect on France as well.

He was a major figure there. I will. You got it. I'm going to work on it. I have a few more weeks talking about the book. I got a show on January 21st. And then I will turn the page in February. But I'm not looking around.

I'm taking a break for a while. But that's why I want to read things that I want to read instead of researching to write. Where is that public event? Where do you want people to go for that? Joliet, Illinois, right outside Chicago. It's two o'clock in the afternoon and it's selling well, VIP opportunities. And it's basically America great from the start,

never perfect, but always trying to be. And here's the ups and downs. I think that we got to win the war on history with facts and embrace our past because we're coming up on year 250. I do remember being in grade school celebrating the bicentennial. The whole country was celebrating, even with 17% insurance rates, interest rates. I need to know that this country's going to be happy that we were born when we get to year 250. That's my

goal. Well, I think one of the things we have to be able to do is speak openly and realistically about slavery and reconstruction and its repercussions through multiple generations and through history. We just have to really open the conversation up more completely.

You brought up the international situation. And one of the things that I've discovered through interviewing people on this show is the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Army has a cognitive defense system. They actually have a propaganda, giant propaganda department that is pumping stuff into this country like crazy. And I have a feeling is, I think they're having their desired effect on us. How do we, this is a completely different topic and I'm gonna sort of wrap up with this,

but how do we get people to look at themselves if they are jumping on to these divisive winds that are blowing from Russia and China? It's disgusting that people from this country jump on to this propaganda that is being generated specifically to do what they're falling victim to. How do we get them to take a look at themselves? And how do we get people to resist doing so and become aware of this? I'm so glad you asked me that, because if you want to unify the country, you have a common enemy. Historically,

that's what's always happened. There's a legitimate enemy in China. And you have Chuck Schumer who believes it as much as I believe that Senator Marco Rubio to a degree. Most people should understand whether they're buying land from our military bases or agricultural land to take over our food supply. They have the number one app in the world, TikTok, banned in a lot of European countries using their social, excuse me, their news feeds to get America to think like they think. Not that China's great, but the subtle stories that make us look bad and them look good. And for example, the best example is this Hamas

war with Israel. There's almost no positive Israel stories, no victimization, the reality of October 7th. Most of them talk about the martyrs of these warriors who are actually terrorists and the Palestinian who were ousted from their homeland unjustly. But they don't do it directly, Dr. Drew. They don't just come out and say that. They do it through columns and news feeds. And most of all, let's get on with the counter-influencer. If you can't ban TikTok because you're too afraid of losing the young vote, we'll go on there with your own algorithm. Let's get our

versions of Kardashians and get on there. Number two, help people in awareness. Hey, tell your son and daughter who's 11 years old, let me see your news feed. Did you read this? Yeah. Let me just tell you, this is not true. This is the real story.

What about this? I see you clicked on this story. What about this? Instead of that conversation being, well, they don't want to talk to me, look at what they're reading and understand it. And a lot of those kids, those 11th graders come home and they seem to be pro Hamas. Maybe you should educate them a little. Let's sit down. Are you a woman? Yes. Do you know what a woman does in that culture? Nothing. They can't have a job. They don't have equal rights. If you happen to be gay or trans, you can pick the building they want to throw you off of. That is not propaganda. That's the truth. That's who you're marching for. You want to cheer for the Houthi rebels? Let me tell you what they're about.

They are supported by Iran. They're rocketing commercial vessels. They're the reason why everything that's going to cost double very shortly. And this is what they're about. They are supported by Iran. They're rocketing commercial vessels. They are the reason why everything that's going to cost double very shortly. And this is what they believe. They're Islamic extremists, only they prefer the Shia version of Islam as opposed to the Sunni version of Islam. Let me give you a sense of that culture. And if you still embrace that culture, Hamas is hiring. So are the Houthi rebels. I'm sure you can go over there with a great resume and they will embrace you. And nothing else I can be sure of. You will hate it and you'll love our country a lot more. I would just say, these are the conversations you have with your kids. You don't have to say you're wrong and you're stupid. Just let them educate them on the facts. And on the internet, you can immediately pull up the pictures.

What size burqa do you want to take? Let me just explain to you what a woman is like in this Islamic extremist culture. I'm not putting down Muslims. I'm talking about extremists. And if you want to go to a traditional non-terrorist Muslim culture, that's available too. But my sense is you have no clue what you're talking about.

Yeah. Susan, you want to chime in here as I hear her talking without a microphone on. It's true. It is. Everybody knows how I feel about that. What do you think your next project will be? What are you looking at next? You thought about that? I'm so curious where you

go. Intentionally, I'm not. Number one, Fox has their own book division now. So I would love to do things. They turned me down. HarperCollins turned me down for George Washington's Secret Six. Thomas Jefferson, Triple E Pirates. And after their Sentinel showed so much loyalty to me, I'm not going to stop now.

I mean, we've had now nine bestsellers, seven with them. And this one's a bestseller for four weeks now. And I have nothing but great feelings for them. But I don't love doing things outside of Fox. I would love for them to get behind these projects. Rather than, you know, you got a certain amount of times you can mention it and there's only a certain amount. I'd love to just stay on Fox and be able to talk about it. But I want to see what's next. And also

there's stuff that I just want to learn again. I always feel like I'm in the middle of having four tests due, let alone studying for the shows. I'm not complaining. I'm just citing it. It's a lot. I want to see if I can get creative again. I want to see if I can, I want to get creative again.

I want to pull back and get creative and not get off the gas pedal in my ambition, but just open up my mind to what possibilities are. So that's my hope. I have some, I have some ideas for you. I'd love to unleash you on a couple of a couple of things. I'm thinking I've been thinking about for a while,

but let me ask this last question. What, what did you, I'd love to unleash you on a couple of things I've been thinking about for a while. But let me ask this last question. Did you learn anything new about Theodore Roosevelt? I'm sure you read the Theodore Rex and the rise of Theodore Roosevelt and some of those classic. And there was another one with another reference to a king or something. King thing was King, whatever.

The point is that he is a very interesting guy. Did you learn anything new? Did you come up with anything uh on teddy roosevelt that was surprising yeah everything uh i'm just gonna give you real quick just don't know this i know people on the premise of the book they just said brian what a reach you got this rich kid five generations of wealth going into the book you got book expression born a slave what the hell are you talking about at least lincoln was born in abject poverty. And I say, good. The reality is that Teddy Roosevelt in many quarters, and Tweed backed me up on this,

so did other relatives, he was not supposed to survive childhood. They had no cure for asthma. Believe it or not, it was brand new. Bad asthma. Yeah, bad asthma. And they would sit there and watch this kid who was 80 pounds in 11th grade,

would have been 11th grade, with no formal schooling, with no friends. When he went out, he was bullied. So you could have a lot of money in life, but if you haven't helped, you have nothing. And then when he gets to Harvard, begins to find himself, and who would think by 20 years old to get right one of the most definitive, respected books on the war of 1812 from the naval perspective, because his Confederate uncles helped him. I did not know that. He looked up to them, but he gave them such great history and gave them such a sense of what the vernacular was

and the terminology was in the Navy. And also found out that he was determined to do something, as much as he worshipped his dad, he was determined to do something his dad didn't do. And that was fight in the war. Dad's biggest regret was he didn't fight for the North. So I thought that was important too.

And also thought it was important from the outside perspective. Many people thought he was crazy. They thought that he was a wild card and a knucklehead. He was a little crazy. And Mark Twain never liked him. He definitely was a little crazy. Yeah. He definitely was a little crazy. Yeah. He definitely was a little hypomanic.

Yeah, the dad was selling bonds or something behind union lines or something. He did the best he could to try to help the union cause in the camps, in the warfare, but really never fought because I forget what the reason was. And Teddy always resented. He felt bad about that. And boy, his work in the Spanish-American war was just like, what he did there was so wild. That was also pretty crazy. You know, his first had accounts of people being cut down on all sides of him and just going, yeah, poor chap. You know, anyway, I forged on.

It's like, it wasn't going to happen to me. It's like, that's a little bit of what we call narcissism, folks. And mania, too. But whatever. It worked. And by the way, it's why I always discourage people from making too much of psychiatry or neurology when it comes to who should be in the White House, who should be

in the Oval Office. Because we've had some people with a lot of liabilities in there that have done some great things. Brian, I thank you so much for coming in and entertaining me. I hope it entertained everybody else as much as myself. I love having these conversations with you. And I'm going to call you one day and unload some of these ideas I've been fishing around with, try to convince you to do the research necessary to build these cases I've been thinking about. And thank you, Dr. Drew, too, for coming on One Nation, too. You came on a couple of weeks ago. It was awesome.

And this was the interview I was looking forward to most because I felt like you were there in the beginning. And if you had said, Brian, here's the problem with that project, I probably would have stopped it. And so that's why I'm really looking forward to this conversation because I know you have this great curiosity. Yeah. Well, I share it with you, my friend. Thanks, Brian Kilmeade, everybody. Thank you so much, sir. Go get them, Dr. Joe. And say, buddy. So

I'm looking around, I'm watching the streams. Anything, Susan, out there, questions or concerns people have? Did I indulge myself in my... Yeah, you were very focused. I think that's a criticism. We're still here. I think that's a criticism, everybody. What were you saying, Caleb? People are just very curious about the tiny door behind him.

It's very thin and tall. And a lot of comments about the PVC pipe on the side. I'm like, guys, guys, focus, focus, focus, please. I think that's a distortion of the camera. Number one. And number two, in the East, you can have lots of weird panels and doors. He's in the East. He's probably in a closet somewhere.

And maybe it's an homage to Alice in Wonderland or something. So do we have any people on Twitter Spaces that want to chime in? I am not yet a co-host there, Caleb. Maybe we should look at that. No, I don't know if there's going to be

a caller coming in today. It might be a glitch on there right now. Okay. Because there were some people with hands up and they disappeared. Yeah.

I was listening. I was listening on Twitter Spaces. It was working fine. Well, listen, let's go back over the upcoming. We will take calls tomorrow. I promise, promise. Yeah, let's take everybody call in tomorrow. That is what's coming up there.

Since the show's called Ask Dr. Drew, we should probably take calls occasionally. Well, that'll be. I have a new slogan for 2024. We can do better. We can do better. We can do better than 2023, that's for sure. But we can do better this year. So we can do better is something I'm going to sort of hang my hat on. And to that end, I will try to take more calls.

Your daddy on Rumble said he was the only white kid in a black school. And did he have any insights as a result? Does he have something he wants to share with us? He says history rocks. Okay, I heard that. Let's keep that. So Paul Alexander, he's the guy that was in the White House with the NIH when they decided on the six feet social distancing. We'll get into that. Peter

McCullough, you all of course know he's been on the war path lately. I'm trying to get the Florida Surgeon General back who just today, Dr. Latipo, announced that he would like the discontinuation of all mRNA vaccines. Which he's not saying all COVID vaccines, which is interesting because the Covaxin vaccine is a better vaccine and it's still available. Roseanne on January 10th, James Corbett to talk about Gelman amnesia on January 9th. And tomorrow, Dr. Sean Baker, talk a little carnivore, and then we will take calls. So we appreciate you all being here.

So I have a question on Humble. Yes, go right ahead. From Wind Chimes. Dr. Drew, what does it mean if words take a long time to process? Which kind of doctor do I seek out? Depends the age of the individual. Can that person give us their age? If you're older, there's a lot of, there are more significant medical concerns when you are older. When you are younger, it's more in the order of typically things like ADD, ADHD, but there can be a lot of other strange and unusual. So I would start with a neurologist. I would start with a neurologist. 50.

50-year-old. I would start with a neurologist. I would start with a neurologist. 50. 50-year-old. I would start with a neurologist. We have a little lag, so we have to work for that. There can be a lot of neurological and medical problems that can affect processing and working memory and word recall and a lot of those things, for sure. And if that's a new symptom, then by all means, you want to see a neurologist. So anything else? I like this. Your daddy. I like that one.

Divide and conquer. It's an old trick. We must unite like the place we live in, the United States of America. I'll tell you what. Just look. Get everyone re-entrenched in your history. And then stop being victimized by the propagandists that are largely coming from outside of this country stop it you should be just you should if you have fallen victim you should

look at yourself and you should be disgusted disgust is an important feeling it will pull you away from doing that again you should be not necessarily ashamed because these guys are good at what they do but disgusted that you got pulled into it. And then also Rick from YouTube said, tell me about Covaxin in 10 years once there is time to do long-term study safety trials, Dr. Drew. Well, I would say this, because Covaxin is a whole viral platform, we have literally thousands of patient years with whole virus and it is perfectly fine, perfectly safe. Now, whether or not giving that kind of virus to a three months old or a six month old is a different question than giving it to an adult. But we have lots of whole virus vaccination in adults and they are quite safe. And it has better immunity and wider immunity.

You get, see, the question I've been asking lately is why did they direct the mRNA vaccine at the pathogenic piece of the virus, which is the spike protein? And why are they surprised when your body produces a lot of that spike protein, you get some side effects because that's the pathogenic protein. The Covaxin has some of that spike protein, you get some side effects because that's the pathogenic protein. The Covaxin has some of that, but also has the nuclear capsid and the rest of the virus. So your immune system will respond to all of it and build a response. So if it sees any part of that virus next time, it will respond effectively. So we had to get Dr. Gandhi back in here. Barsh, we had to get Monica Gandhi back in here cuz she's the one that's been

pushing the Covaxin for a couple of years. And we'd like to hear her thoughts on why that perhaps has been delayed or why we aren't having any luck. And why the massive push on the mRNA vaccines, particularly in populations that have no risk from the illness. So Monica Gandhi, look at her Twitter thread if you want to see some of the stuff she's put out. What else you got there, Susan?

Anthony Brown is here. Hi, Anthony. Dr. Ju, how come I cannot keep my hair? It's disappearing. Anthony wants to ask that? Yeah. You have to, if you can stop time, you can stop your hair loss, my friend. Maybe use the Provia.

Can men use the Provia? Yeah, absolutely. We have a new sponsor called provia anthony brown and it seems to be helping my hair so i've been using it for six months there you go and yeah there's a money-back guarantee on that yeah i believe so go go do it you got nothing to lose yeah or rogaine but i used i used a real game before but now i'm using the provia and my it's's kind of nice. It makes your hair kind of shiny. Yeah, people don't like what the Rogaine does to the scalp.

It coats your hair. It makes it stronger. Provia does. Yeah, a little proofier. All right. Well, there's the link right there, proviahair.com. Yeah, check it out. You get a discount if you go to that link.

Are you getting all this off the restream? Yeah, restream. I'm watching the restream. I'm not seeing these questions. Please, please, please tell Drew that Dr. Something doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dr. F-head? Yeah. Janice, I understand that there has been some adulteration of Dr. Fauci's behavior. What I cling to,

I must tell you, is not just the hope that he will return to the mean because, as I've said before, he was a hero most of my career, but that he is being evasive for a reason that is for our own good, which I hate those kinds of ideas. And it better sure as hell

be for our own good and not just that we can't handle the truth. But I don't know. I't know we're gonna leave it he's gonna be testifying in front of the house we've got uh poor guy we got ran paul ran paul has been gearing up for this for months i'm sure it'll be a very interesting interview uh he's got a book called deception if you want to read about this where he chronicles his concerns from top to bottom. And it's pretty compelling. All right. So we will leave it at that. We thank you all for being here.

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