Ask Dr. Drew - Aaron Siri: Lawyer Fighting For Health Freedom Receives One Of Nation’s Highest Honors (A NYT Hit Piece) + Ryan Millsap on His Movie Studio’s 4-Year Battle With Antifa Arsonists Near Atlanta’s “Cop City” – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 549

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

Aaron Siri was RFK’s personal campaign lawyer and continues to fight for people who were injured by vaccines, mRNA, and government mandates. After filing FDA petitions for stronger Tylenol warning labels, he was the subject of a hit piece in the New York Times – one of our nation’s highest honors. Georgia studio founder Ryan Millsap says Antifa-linked activists waged a four-year campaign of arson, vandalism, and harassment after his land swap deal near Atlanta’s “Cop City.” Millsap, who built the famous Blackhall Studios, says Antifa’s pressure derailed his projects and endangered his family. He now applauds President Trump’s move to designate Antifa a domestic terror group, calling it long overdue. Aaron Siri is the Managing Partner of Siri & Glimstad LLP and has extensive experience in complex civil litigation matters and class actions. He handles civil rights, informed consent, and high-stakes disputes. He is the author of “Vaccines Amen: The Religion of Vaccines.” Learn more at https://sirillp.com and follow him at https://x.com/AaronSiriSG Ryan Millsap is the Chairman and CEO of Blackhall Studios, the Atlanta-based production facility behind films like “Venom,” “Jumanji,” and “Jungle Cruise.” In 2021, he sold the studio to Commonwealth Group, now Shadowbox Studios. An entrepreneur and investor, Millsap has revitalized communities through real estate and film. He is also the host of The Blackhall Podcast. Follow at https://x.com/RCMillsap 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aaron Siri joins me, managing partner of Siri and Glimstead. He is extensive experience in civil litigation and class actions, and we're going to talk a little about vaccine injuries. He has written a book, Vaccines, Amen, the Religion of Vaccines. I love it. And then we'll talk a little while later to Ryan Millsap, the chairman and the CEO of Black Hall Studios. And amongst other things, he was attacked by an organization that I guess doesn't exist. He calls it Antifa, but apparently it doesn't exist, but it destroyed a lot of his property, this not-existent group. A lot to say from both of them. Aaron Siri can be followed on X, Aaron Siri, S-G, S-I-R-R-S-G, Aaron A-A-A-R-O-N.

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To me, it suggests that none of it's working. When I prescribe a medication, I prescribe that medicine because I expect that to work. work. That is exactly what I've done with these products, and I want you to go to Dr. Drew.com slash V-Sredd-M-D for 10% off. Again, that is Dr. Drew.com slash v-sredd-M-D. You can follow Aaron Siri's substack.com forward slash at Aaron Siri, S-I-R-I-S-I-R-L-L-P.com. Again, vaccines, amen, the religion of vaccines. That and more. Aaron, welcome to the program. Great to be here. So, yeah, this idea, the idea of the book I love because the fact that a theology has developed around vaccines and public health and infectious disease where there's a canon and the canon is what is accepted and there are authorities on high that determine what the canon is and those who step outside are sinners and need to be burned at the stake and on and on.

but did you imagine in 2019 you'd be writing a book like that? No. I did not imagine I would ever write a book like that when I started my career 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. I would say it slowly started over the last 10 years, you know, reaching a crescendo about three to four years ago. I was like, you know, it's time to write this book. You know, I spent a decade litigating against federal health agencies opposing some of the world's leading vaccinologists, including the world's leading vaccinologist. And what I found along that journey is that there's what they tell the public. And then there's what they say under oath when they're in a deposition,

when they're forced to on say the truth on the stand. And then most critically, when you pin them to have to provide the proof for some statements that they make and they can't provide it or what they provide clearly doesn't support it. And so along that journey, I've come to realize most of what they say about vaccines is dogma beliefs. And I wanted to document it in the book at some point. And so what has happened to my profession?

What is that? Is it academia running a muck? Is it a centralized authority? I kind of feel like there's a philosophy that has captured public health that is, well, first of all, wrong. But secondly, if you dare step outside of it, you want to harm people. You are vilified for wishing harm on others. I mean, I will say vaccines are unique, meaning I wouldn't, I think that, you know, the large parts of the medical profession do wonderful things.

You know, you get into a car accident, you break some bones, you go to the emergency room, you're going to get treated, you know, and you probably deserve a lot of praise for those doctors. I think vaccines fall into a very unique space just because of how the law and the policy and the money has started to flow in that area of vaccines versus all. of other medicine. For every other medical product, whether it's drugs, med devices, you can hold the manufacturer accountable for the injuries caused by that product. What that means is that before it goes to market, they want to properly trial it. Then afterwards, they want to assure it safe because they want to not end up upside down, right? On the other hand, vaccines are the only

product that have an immunity granted in 1986 under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that makes it to that no matter how much harm it causes to a child, even if it kills a child. You cannot sue the company to say, the pharma company to say, had you made that product safer, my kid wouldn't have died. My kid would have been injured. And so you've had 40 years of just an uncontested reign by pharmaceutical companies being able to influence the medical profession and to, you know, I guess various incantations. They are robustly trialed before they go on the market. Well, I lay out in chapter 10 every single trial for every single child of the vaccine i make it fun um and you see that's just not true that's just a that's just just dogma or there's robust safety after licensure i go through that

through iM reports and so forth in chapter 11 and so and then they all stop transmission not true everybody would die without them in america millions died before there was a vaccines in america i go through all of those hyperbolic claims that's not to say that vaccines don't have any benefit obviously measles vaccine, for example, can prevent transmission. Hence it can eliminate measles, which obviously would then reduce death. But that's not the end of the story. You've got to look at the bigger picture if you really want to do public health right. And so until we actually stop, you know, the medical profession,

stops repeating dogmatic claims about these products and starts actually thinking rather than believing in these products, we're not going to really be able to do public health well when it comes to vaccines. Well, and the other thing that we heard Francis Collins say out loud is they gave no consideration to the negative impact of the decisions they were making. That was the most astonishing statement I've heard in my entire career. It is just, you know, we just stopped the virus. We didn't care what we did along the way. It's like, oh, my God.

So let's flip over to that fiasco, the COVID fiasco. And let me pause at something. Let's just pause it. And you tell me if this is a reasonable thing to posit. In 2019, 2020, it's an emergency. It's a different illness than we have now. It's bad in some situations. It's one, two percent fatality rate.

We can argue about what. But hundreds of millions of people. It's a lot of people. Great risk is taken. Far less safety measures are put into consideration. They don't have the data to support what they claim, but they bring it out to try to stop this beast. Let's just say that's true.

I may be telling a complete fantasy, but let's say that's true. Why did they continue to mandate this same vaccine after it became clear that the threat was long gone? That's the part I can't reconcile. And not only did they continue to mandate the vaccine, but we knew well by that point that the vaccine was producing the pathogenic protein of the virus, the part that makes people sick. And why didn't we change course? Is it strictly that government can't, or is that strictly the evil empire of profits? What do you think? Or do you, is my construct completely out of line?

No, not out of line. I think it comes down to two things, big picture. Obviously, you're asking a question of a very complex system, but I'll give two big pieces of it that I think provide a big part of the answer first, okay, is that the government doesn't go and promote status. The government doesn't go and promote other medical products. They don't go and promote cars. They don't go and promote planes. They don't go and promote any other consumer product in the way that they promote vaccines. And what does that do? Does that conflict them? Does that let them sit in the seat of being a real regulator? Of course it conflicts them. Once they've gone out and government has wildly

promoted these products, it then conflicts them from being able to say, oopsie, maybe we made a mistake in that regard. Because government rarely does mea culpos. Rarely does government and say, we messed up. They don't do that. And government also engages in policy, not science. CDC thinks of, you know, people think of the CDC as a medical organization. They're not, they're a government organization.

They set a policy. Yeah, policy. And that policy is, for example, vaccines are safe and effective, and everybody should get them. And so everything they do then aligns with that policy. And so what does government do when they can't get their way

by persuading on the merits? What's the next stop on that train? Oh, little coercion. Not enough. Three kids out of school. Not enough, throw you out of your job. Not enough, since you're in social media. That is what government does when they doesn't get its way,

which is why we're not supposed to like government have those powers. That's why we should have individual and civil rights. And that's why, and you know, I argue in my book, that the right to inform consent, the right to be able to say no to a medical intervention without any coercion, is just as important as the right to free speech. It's as important as the right to assembly, religion. all these rights come with dangers,

but the greater right is taking them away. And for every one of your viewers who maybe loves every vaccine and you love every mask and you want to wear 17 masks a day and live in your basement for state-home orders, I support your right to do that. This is America.

That's freedom. But if the day ever comes, when the government wants to mandate you to get something you don't want, and you can't go to school and you can't get a job, and your kids can't go out, and you can't go to public transportation,

then you're going to feel it. then you're going to realize that seeding that right to the government was a mistake. And that's why I view the right to inform consent on par with all the other fundamental rights. Canada, most of the province don't have vaccine mandates. Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, excuse me, Australia. Sweden. Florida is going that way. Sweden.

We should be a country where we persuade in the merits not to make the way people's rights. three out of five communist countries do not have mandates China does not have mandates 88 countries worldwide do not have mandates some of them do very well with vaccine uptake nevertheless but they protect the rights to bottle the autonomy along the way and we don't we should be disgusted with our government we should be there should be pitchforks out

so that being true what do we do with this well for the issue i just raised we got to get government out of the business of these products which means we got to put immunity we got to put liability back on the manufacturers we have to get the FDA to act like regulators again which i think they're on the path to do you know dr mccary and dr presod are you know i believe on that journey where we they stop promoting vaccines and start acting like regulators demand real clinical trials before their license not the nonsense we see i saw your clip beforehand about the hepatitis b vaccine you know there's only

two hep b vaccines given to babies in the united states one was licensed based on a clinical trials of five days of monitoring and 147 kids and no control the other one had four days of safety monitoring that's ridiculous intuitively understand you don't need to be an epidemiologist to know and we have to get the CDC out of the business of vaccines and act as regulators again because at the end of the day the reason your car, Dr. Drew, and all the products around you are safer, it's nothing to do with government, okay? Go back to the Soviet Union. You think products were safe back then, and you had incredible government control.

No, it has to do with economic self-interest. Companies need to have the economic self-interest to make their products safer. Here we have the worst of all worlds. We have companies without that economic self-interest. And then on top of it, government that's totally conflicted because they spend all the time promoting these products. I also feel like something's wrong with public health. They should not have, they should not have the authority they get under any circumstances.

Can we do anything about that? Does that require a constitutional amendment? Well, you know, at the federal level, most mandates for vaccines are at the state level. And so I have actually written a constitutional amendment. It's on I can legislate that org that, you know, I'm, we're, working on getting on referendums in various states around the country that enshrine in state constitution the right to, you know, never be coerced to take a medical product. You know, people say like, well, what happens if there's a virus that kills 90% of people? You know,

because that's where it always ends up. That's the conversation. And I say, hey, if you have a virus that kills 90% of people and you can't persuade them to take a vaccine in that situation, there must be a real problem for a vaccine. That's right. That's right. And, you know, And not only that, but the vast majority of the public health officials at the state level are pediatricians. They're not trained to make decisions on adult medicine. That was one of the first things that jumped out for me during COVID. It's like these people, they were freaking out about things that in adult medicine are not consequential. They're not a big deal.

And so they were making the panicky decisions in an arena they have no experience. They're pediatricians. and because that's where the whole vaccine schedule comes in. Yeah, it's just, the whole thing is so whacked out, and I just hope we can get it organized. Let me talk again about the mandate from this. Go ahead. Aaron, go ahead.

Oh, no, I was just going to take it a step further with the pediatricians because they shouldn't be respectfully making any decisions about vaccines. I've deposed the world's leading vaccinologists, immunologists, infectious disease doctors, pediatricians. You know, with all due respect to pediatricians and what they do, When it comes to vaccines, I've never met one that knows almost anything about the products themselves, nor immunologists, nor infectious disease doctor, the ID doctors.

The vaccinologists have some sense. But, you know, making decisions about vaccines, like they were surprised that COVID vaccine that you inject in the arm to create a coastal immunity doesn't stop transmission. That somehow was going to be a surprise to them. Well, they've never really read a vaccinology textbook then. Right. I'm sorry. But you were going to ask me something else.

Well, I can't wait to read you to read it. I've read your book here, but I can't wait to read it because it's going to arm me with everything I need to go to battle with these people because it's just it's just such a crazy thing. And to me, one of the craziest sort of zones in this whole story, I mean, the biggest example of the lack of alignment between risk and reward would be a 20-year-old male college student who had to take the vaccine to go to school. that to me is sort of ground zero for liability if you can if you can incur it somehow if you got myocarditis from a vaccine to go to school when you were 20 or 19 or 21 whatever it might be there was zero probability of omicron sending you anywhere there was zero probability of the vaccine helping you prevent you from transmitting it to somebody else and you only were at risk of the mildcarditis. And yes, we can argue by other words, one percent or two percent or four percent

or half a percent, zero percent risk of hospitalization. So only risk for myocarditis for no good reason. And there should be huge lawsuits, it seems to me, for any kids that suffered as a result. There should be, but you can't bring a lawsuit because of the PEP Act. You can't sue the - Not against the school? The school? From maintaining the mandates? So there's a lot of, so if they got the vaccine at the school, which a lot of them did in the school's health clinics and so forth, the school is also the administrator of the product, right? And then on top of it, it's a complicated question. Let me put it that way. But I think at the heart of the problem that you are describing is this, that analysis, the one you just did, Dr. Drew, a very reasonable analysis.

Should that 20-year-old get it? Should they not get it? The problem wasn't whether or not they should get it, shouldn't get it. The problem was that that analysis, the ability to make that choice was taken away from that 20-year-old. Yes, that's right. Under the threat of exploring that university. And what happens? And that goes back to what we were saying at the beginning.

You're asking, what was the heart of the problem? The heart of the problem was the government making that choice for the public. That is the great danger. that is the problem. The government needs to get out of that business of making those decisions because once they do and they get it wrong and then you Dr. Drew go on and you know

on social media and say differently, well now they're going to want to censor you. Now they're going to want to because you're bucking their policy and they're going to deploy the massive, you know, armaments that government has against you our own citizenry and that's dangerous. That's what we

were all born witness to that. That's exactly what happened. And now we have all the evidence of how they did it, too, through putting their hand on the scale with social media. My sort of concern these days is how can we get some apologies out of some of these people with their excesses? And then where it need be, liability be brought to bear. And I thought schools might have some liability in all this

because the government will say, we don't mandate, we don't mandate things. The school mandated it. This kind of BS you hear out there. terms of accountability and as it stands right now for the COVID-19 vaccine, Secretary Kennedy could, with a stroke of a pen, lift the PEP Act immunity. Now, that doesn't mean it would be retroactive, but it would at least be prospective. Okay. And so he's got the ability to on the PEP Act. And because the COVID vaccine is not a routinely recommended childhood vaccine

anymore again for secretary kennedy it would have be covered under the 1986 act the national childhood vaccine act 96 so you could finally go and bring claims for for those injuries but those would be the you know that would be what would be really need to be ever first if you want real accountability i wonder although you know we we did raise eliminate this from the childhood and schedule and kids are dying everywhere right they're spreading the disease all over the please give me a effing break but okay uh why do we still have the prep act sasha latapov i don't if you know her but she's very focused on that being a central issue why why has that been maintained does anybody know um well i'll give you two reasons first when the vaccines were procured by

By the way, Aaron, I'm going to interrupt you. Explain to people what it is also. Absolutely. We jumped a little bit ahead. So go ahead. Sure. So the PEPT Act is a federal law that provides that the Secretary of HHS can grant when there's an emergency that, you know, at the discretion of the Secretary of HHS, if they

declare an emergency, they can also grant immunity to any products developed to counteract that emergency. So if you go and you create a vaccine to counteract the emergency of COVID-19 vaccine, nobody can sue you if that vaccine causes an injury, no matter how unsafe, no matter pretty much anything you've done. So you know, with a blank check, when you're developing those COVID-19 vaccine, when Pfizer was doing it, when Moderna was doing it, when Jay and Day were doing it, they knew that their path to earn billions of dollars, any safety issues that they brought up was going to stop them from getting

there and they didn't have to worry about liability afterwards. That is the, that is what we, you know, we were talking about earlier. That creates a horrible moral hazard and it inverts the normal economic incentives that assure safety. Now, that's what the PEP Act is. So the PEP Act was immunity was granted to them for any injuries from COVID-19 vaccine. And it's still in effect today, even though clearly there's no longer an emergency. And in fact, right before, you know, the Biden administration ended, that immunity was extended for numerous years into the future. Now, you said to me, why would they do that? First of all, when the COVID-19 vaccines were purchased by the federal government under various contracts, initially those are contracts

with the U.S. Army, okay? There was a provision in those contracts. I have copies, links to all those contracts in my substacks, you can read them, that specifically says that these products would only be distributed while Prep Act immunity applied effectively. So the federal government has contractually agreed that there would be PrEP Act immunity for the distribution of those products procured under those contracts. I've not looked at the most more recent ones. So, you know, has that change? It's not exactly clear.

Second is that... But, Aaron, before you go on, before number two, You're kind of heading back towards my original construct, which was there was an emergency. We had to get warp speed going. We had to figure every way to get this thing done. Why does it continue? I still don't get it.

But go ahead. Yeah, well, I mean, if there's a contractual obligation, maybe that's why. And I also think at the end of the day, you've got a thousand plus pharmaceutical lobbyists down in D.C. that are pushing for its interests. I'm not aware of any registered vaccine injury lobbyist. And so they have a lot of outside influence, oversized influence, I should say. You know, pharmaceutical companies have a lot of resources and a lot of ability to impact elections and so forth.

And so, you know, why has the PEP Act community not been lifted? I mean, at the end of the day, the White House would have to approve it. And why the White House hasn't approved it? That would be a question you'd have to ask Trump. And then the CICP compensation program, right? Is that something off the PEP Act? And is that, go ahead, because I don't understand what that is, and I'm imagining it's pretty flimsy. Yeah.

I'm smiling because, you know, that it's even called a compensation program. So the CICP, which is the counter-injuries compensation, countermeasure injuries compensation program is a product of the Prep Act. So they didn't leave people with no recourse. They left people with virtually no recourse because if you're injured by a COVID-19 vaccine, you can file a claim with this program, okay? Now, you fill out a piece of paper, okay? You file it with an agency in the federal government.

Who reviews it? You don't know. Who is the trial? Who's the judge? Who's the jury? Who's the reviewer? You don't know. What is the exact standard they're using?

You don't know. Who's their experts? You don't know. You get to cross-examine them. You don't know. What's their actual process? You don't know. It's a black hole.

I mean, it is the most ridiculous. It is the most violent due process program I've ever seen. And worse. You know how much money the whole program had last year? $7 million. And you know what most of that money was spent on? Their own personnel. So how are they going to compensate anybody anyway?

New York Times are a reporter for one of these big, I forgot New York Times or whatever, you know, called me up because we have brought a lawsuit. We actually have two federal lawsuits, one still pending, where we are challenging the constitutionality of the CICP program. Our argument is simple. Hey, look, if this program does not violate procedural due process, forget substantive procedures, then that is meaningless under our U.S. Constitution. If you don't know your judges, you don't know deciding it.

So here's what I explained to this reporter when they called me. I said, look, let me explain to what the CSU program is like. Go get a piece of paper, fill out, fill out what your injuries. Now, go to your backyard, dig a hole in the ground, put the paper in the ground, cover it up, make sure you water it, make sure it gets sun, and wait for the compensation to grow. Yeah, yeah. It's not different than VERS, by the way. I've sent reports into VERS for very serious reactions.

Never heard anything. Don't know if they got seen, who reviewed it, if they reviewed it. No way of knowing. But to be fair, it's the way the government deals with money, it seems like, too. So they've got a lot of things they need to sort of account for and that they do no accounting of. It's just astonishing. No checks and balances on anything. But what's ahead?

What's in your crosshairs? What are you worried about? Where are you applying pressure presently? And what are you concerned about down the road? Look, I mean, at the end of the day, my focus is. is about civil and individual rights. Vaccines are a product. They're not good, they're not bad.

I'm not pro, I'm not anti them. I'm not pro-car, I don't think cars are good or bad. If the gas tank blows up, we should fix it. And so at the end of the day, my focus is that everybody should be able to have a choice. Because here's who mandates impact. Mandates don't impact those who want to take the product. They're going to take it anyway.

Most states in this country, about 45, of them have basically checked the box exemption you can send your kids to school without a vaccine effectively okay i mean some of religious and also philosophical who do the mandates impact in the places where there's really no exemption like california new york connecticut main it impacts the parents the families that have a real substantive reason to not take this product that's who it impacts think about how pernicious that is okay and and let me tell you yes there are some folks who are very vocal about vaccines out there who make a lot of noise and they get all the attention okay some but most of the folks who don't vaccinate and we you know we deal with

tens of thousands of them at our firm okay oftentimes they don't want any attention they're just folks who you know their older kid got injured by x vaccine or they had some other issue with another vaccine and they don't you know they've come to the decision that they you know that their case shouldn't get another one they don't qualify for a medical exemption because that That's not a medical decision. That's a CDC thing, right? And a strict table that includes virtually nothing. And I want you to just really think about this, okay?

I think rare is the person that wakes up and says, you know what I want to do today? I want to take a socially ostracizing position that might get my kids kicked out of school. Me kicked out of my job. My friend's alienated. Me called anti-vaccine, anti-science, quack, blah, blah, blah. That's what no. People don't come to that decision lightly.

And when they do, there's usually a real reason for it. But yet that is who mandates. In fact, those are the folks that I represent. Those are the folks that I see the heartbreak every day. Bad enough that you just injured one of their kids, now you're going to kick them out of school on top of it. And when they go to try to seek medical care, don't say it's a vaccine injury because you'll get treated differently than if you say it was from something else. You know, so the goal of writing my book was to try and show not that vaccines are bad, meaning to talk about the path ahead. But the path ahead in my mind is we need to get a critical mass of folks in this country

to treat these products like products, to think about them, not believe in them. And the way we get there is for people to start understanding some of the substance that underlies these products, not to think they're bad or good, but just to start, kickstart the thinking. Because once we do that, we can then change how things happen in the courts and the legislative happens and we can secure our rights when it comes to. to these products. Your body is the commodity on which pharma makes their profits. The more they can control it, the more money they can make. That's not a conspiracy. That's just good

business. We need to push back on that. How much is Maha changing all this? You know, as you could see, Secretary Kennedy has made a number of strides. And at every turn, he's been attacked viciously. You know, he's reconstituted ASIP. That's the CD D.C.'s Vaccine Committee with folks who are not just, you know, believers in vaccine, the folks who will think more. That the other way, there doesn't mean, they're not all folks who are, you know, are immediately going to say vaccines bad. He's, you know, and so, but he's got his work cut out for him. He has got his work in mind. He's got 65,000 career employees below him.

And the closer they are to vaccines, the more zealots they are. I don't say that, I say that having gotten literally millions of pages. of internal documents before requests to federal health agencies and seen exactly how they communicate internally. So he's got that below. And then he's got White House who's, you know, I think wants to work with him to varying degrees above him that he still needs. So he's, you know, he's sandwiched. But he's making plenty of strides and the wheels of government move slow. Yeah. And those that are in that, you know, tens of thousands of ensconced bureaucracy have something that Joseph Freyman called irrational certitude,

which is the opposite of the scientific method, which is rational uncertainty. Part of the very foundation of the scientific method is humbly keeping your open mind, updating your priors, checking your math, and constantly looking to ascend to an approximation of the truth, but knowing full well you'll never get to the, truth and always being ready to not just defend your position but to update your position

and it's and the scientific method as brett weinstein has pointed out again and again is a delicate instrument we are not applying it properly anymore not even training people in it you know we're not we're not i i'll tell the story all the time i'll just tell you really quickly when i was going for my medical school interview in 1980 uh there was this doctor across from me and he goes at the very end of the interview he goes well what's the scientific method? And I said, coming up with a good hypothesis and designing an experiment to test that hypothesis

and do maybe a null hypothesis and a statistical analysis like at least squares or something, something simple on it, and then repeat, repeat, repeat. And if that null hypothesis is informative repeatedly, then your hypothesis may ascend to something like a theory. And he was like, I'm doing this work for 10 years. No one has ever been able to answer that question. What is the scientific method?

That was 45 years ago. It's way worse now, way worse now. It's concerning. Completely. It's very concerning. And it's particularly concerning when the government gets involved, harking back to, again, because they don't engage in the scientific method. They engage in policy.

It's the perversion of science. I'll give you one example that maybe make your head explode. Okay. So you know what the MMWR is probably. That is the CDC's, you know, a lot of people, call it the CDC's medical journal or journal it's not it's their newsletter that's what i call it and it's all it was my throughout my career that was my relationship with the cdc reading the m mnwr and just going okay what do you recommend what are you saying what a recommendation is fine thank you i'll take that

in consideration never do this that was never part of the cdc relationship but that's because you assumed rightfully so you should have assumed that the mmw are engaged in the science method because most of what's published there is then used to set policies to take away rights to set national policies about public health. So you're like, okay, all right, the MMWR is, you know, they're going through peer review. They're, you know, they're publishing everything. We're making sure, no, let me tell you how the MWR works. Okay. This is on the website, cited to my book. You can look at it yourself. First of all, doesn't go through peer review. Not that peer review who's such a great process anyway.

Let's put that aside. It goes through an internal clearance process. And that clearance process has to assure, and I'm making this up, that the paper at issue aligns with the CDC policy. Think about that. It is not published if it doesn't align. The CDC's policy, for example, on vaccines is vaccines are safe and effective. So that creates what?

Selection bias. The entire MMWR is a giant selection bias machine intended to kick out only things that align with policy, and I'll give you one real-world example that I directly litigated with the CDC on. They said, well, those who've had vaccine, they can have their rights back. They can go to school. They can go to public. They don't, you know, but those who haven't, you don't get your rights. I wrote to them and I said, well, what about those that have had been infected already? Because by the time in 2021, this was going on, most people had been infected, even if they hadn't had a vaccine. And I cited to them 40 studies that all showed

that natural immunity, okay, or just what I call immunity, is better than vaccine immunity, artificial immunity, right? Because it tends to, at best, it's trying to mimic that natural infection. They, multi-million people's person studies and so forth. They wrote back, they cited to one study, some ridiculous study, the CDC did. did with a few hundred people. It was a case control study down in the south that was that and they said, see, based on this study, we set our policy, which is the only one that found the opposite result, right? But that's what made it into the MWR. You can read that. We wrote them back. By the time we wrote them back after that, there was like a hundred studies. There was 100 to

one. But it's not about the data. It's not about the science. It's about a policy. And that perverts the scientific method as you told it and it makes it very dangerous particularly in this arena turns it really into almost a religion well uh you've made your case rather powerfully and i'd like to leave it right there and i can't wait to dig into the book so i can use your words to uh fight back on some of the excesses here and and again the scariest part of this is to me not what a doctor and a patient and their family decide to do with vaccines it's the government hand intruding into that relationship and it's just, it's mind-boggling to me that I live in a country where that is allowed. I just can't even believe it, but here we are. Aaron, thank you so much. Where should

people look for you? Oh, well, I'm on X, Aaron, Sirish, which you said earlier, you know, my law from a Siri LP.com. If you want to support a vaccine policy work, that's I Can Decide.org. Also have a substack. And lately, I've been featured in a number of newspapers who keep attacking me so you can find me there too. All right. Thank you so much, Aaron. Thank you. All right.

We are going to switch gears a little bit, and we're going to talk about a non-existent organization, something that just doesn't exist, but it seems to do a lot of damage. And Ryan Millsap is one of the victims of their non-existence. You can follow Ryan on X, R.C. Millsap with 2Ls, also Instagram, R.C. Milsape. He is the host of the Black Hall podcast.

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And in 2021, he sold the studio. But he joins us now to talk to us about that, amongst other things. Ryan, thank you for joining us. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having to me. So this thing... Jimonji, I like that movie. That's Susan in the background. So tell me about this

non-existent group, Antifa, that I guess it was Halloween or something. Phantoms attacked your studio. Well, you know, Antifa is a many multi-layered organization all across this country. they have infiltrated a lot of bureaucracies in this country. They have learned all the rules to be able to go up right to the edge of doing illegal things

or then crossing the line and doing illegal things. But they have people at many different levels. They're not just the man on the street with the Molotab Cocktail. They are lawyers who have taken in with Antifa. They are government officials who have taken in with Antifa. They are low-level bureaucrats inside of governments that have taken in with Antipa. And they have really infiltrated everything from nonprofits to businesses themselves with a deeply anti-American attitude. When we were listening to the previous conversation, I just kept thinking over and over about how our forefathers would be so upset about the fact that our individual liberties are being so neglected.

and abused because at the beginning of this country, everything was built to protect individual liberty. And that's not the case this minute. Individual liberties abused all over the place. And Antifa has learned how to abuse that on inside the courts, inside the governments, and abuse on the street that you see in these videos of masked people. So you've met these people. Why did they come after you?

Well, I owned a piece of land that was next to something that was called Cop City in Atlanta. Cop City was a piece of land that was owned by the city of Atlanta. And the Atlanta Police Foundation wanted to develop it into a police training facility to provide better training and support to the police force. Antifa got wind of this. I'm not exactly sure how they made it one of their major. causes across the country. I happened to have this land next door where I was going to expand and build real estate development. And because they couldn't find good bodies, I became their

boogeyman. And they really focused in on me as an entrepreneur and as a capitalist. They consider themselves to be anti-capitalism, which really is just a mask for anti-Americanism. And so that's how I kind of ended up in the middle of it. who do you imagine these folks are i mean you've sort of run close to them i mean what puts somebody like particularly professionals in with these guys are they just you know strictly sort of a mercenary and there's money coming in from overseas or are they themselves part of a marxist organization or something who are these guys well i think that there is a deep philosophical uh bread that runs throughout everybody that's involved with Antifa from the 60-year-old lawyer who used to be a hippie

but has maintained this deep desire to make communism come real and they look at these young kids who are believing in these same hopeful dreams of communist utopias and they and they band together with them and they say you know I have a high-up position inside of the courts and I can have effect in the way that I have influence. And the same is true inside of the governments, you know, from lower level bureaucrats all the way up to higher level county officials who have very, very leftist views that are anti-individual liberty. They believe in socialist and communist notions about how society should be run.

And because we live in a society that is the United States of America that is fundamentally skewed toward individual liberty, they're just doing everything they can to disrupt that in the hope that they might create a different kind of society. So you'll find these people inside of big corporations, governments, NGOs, non-profits. nonprofits are a huge cover for Antifa money flowing about to rebel groups and and law groups that use lawsuits as a weapon to gain leverage that's unmerited. And do you have sort of a notion of how to respond to this? Or what do you? I do. I do.

The timing, you know, I've been dealing with Antifa for years. I mean, it's been probably six years at this point. For years, a lot of the higher-ups in government didn't pay a lot of attention to Antifa. But right now, it's very exciting because President Trump has labeled them as domestic terrorists, which they are. And Chris Carr, who's our attorney general in Georgia, has 60 people who are under indictment that are scheduled for prosecution on domestic terrorism here in Georgia. and what really needs to happen with these people is we need to run all of them to ground. We need to follow all these threads. We need to follow all the money.

We need to follow it up through the NGOs, up through all the nonprofits. We need to go find the source of all this money. And then as the money flows, we need to follow everywhere that it flows and find out who's getting the money, why they're getting the money, what they're doing with the money, how they're organizing the bodies on the ground, how they're organizing the lawsuits that are being used. weapons, how they're paying off people that are inside of governments or whatever is going on in those situations, we need to see to follow every single dollar. And I think the FBI and the GBI, which is the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, I think if they commit the resources, they can truly root out Antifa and drive them out of the United States. Well, at very minimum, you get the money to dry up. And it just seems to me that if you figure that, and it's got to be coming from,

other countries and things that have no business supporting things here. I'm guessing, though, that this isn't, I mean, you seem very preoccupied or committed to this cause. And I'm guessing what happened to you during the course of the last six years is not, it's been a lot of shitty things have happened. You want to share some of that with us? Yeah, yeah, no. So I have experienced Antifa occupying land of mine for 18. months, throwing full bottles of beer, full pieces of concrete, rocks at the police and

at my staff, burning equipment that we had on property in effigy. I have experienced lawsuits that were used as just pure weapons of delay. I've experienced hit piece articles being written where they call me racist or they call me anti-Semitic or they call me a fascist or they or they call me an oligarch you know all of these things that for them are just ways to try to discredit me and make it to where they can they can achieve their goal of thwarting every effort I have on the development side which I think is just a pure abuse of my individual rights to own land. It's just such a crazy story

that you got in the middle of their crosshairs. I know. It feels like somebody, yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they come up with these things, but interestingly, my daughter had a friend who was at Berkeley, and my daughter called me one time and said, you won't believe this, but my friend called me,

and she was at some meeting that was like, you know, kind of pseudo-socialist kind of meaning that you might get at Berkeley. And she said, I just saw your dad on a slideshow talking about like the big things they're fighting right now. And they were talking about Atlanta and Cop City

and this oligarch Ryan Millsap and who they were fighting. I mean, this stuff is really insane when you talk about this kind of thing happening in America. But it's happening because we are not enforcing the laws against these people. But this is developing in the college

itself? What's that? In the meetings. Yeah. Yeah. And it's been funded by, you know, people who own big corporations too. But because this is what communism is all about, right? Well, they attack you, they attack you on

every level. You know, they really do. They want to infiltrate in it and get in your kids' minds. right they do that at the university level they want to attack like they they try to intimidate my wife online you know most of my social media is uh private and or my public stuff like i can take whatever uh but to then go to my wife stuff and try to intimidate my wife uh it's just unacceptable and and then the use of the way that they have infiltrated bureaucracy in order to abuse it

Bureaucracy is really intended to just create mechanisms of predictability inside of a society. But when it gets abused and you stop being able to have that predictability, it becomes just a weapon of whoever is in control of the bureaucracy. They learn that somewhere, you know, probably in the 60s. And they've worked 40, 50 years to infiltrate educational bureaucracy, medical bureaucracy, legal bureaucracy, all of the government bureaucracies, right? And so we wonder why we run into these troubles of trying to just get normal American things done. It's because they've learned how to put up all the roadblocks. They've learned how to attack you on the street and behind the scenes. This is terrorism.

Oh, yeah. It is straight terrorism. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona. And then we moved to California when I was in my teens. So I've spent most of my life in California. And then I moved to Georgia in 2014, and I've been here since then. And I love Georgia.

It is a pretty amazing state when you've come from California because California got so crazy. And so, you know, it feels pretty, Georgia feels a lot more like libertarian America than California does. Even though I love California and I hate to see, yeah, I hate to see what's happening in California. But we need to fight. this. Like we can't ignore this. These people are not trying to help America get better. They are actually trying to destroy America from within. And they're willing to do it one person at a time. Whatever they can do to undermine. Yeah. And people have to remember this. It's not, they're not interested in doing what the American majority wants. They're interested

imposing something on people that they know to be better and good. And, you know, we are evil or bad in our current system. Somebody just put up there that they loved you on Gutfeld. Are you doing them Gutfeld regularly or was it just a one off? No, I wasn't on Gutfeld. It must have been some other handsome gentleman.

You would be good on the show though, I'm just thinking. It'd be interesting. Maybe they were talking about you, Drew. Oh, maybe it was me. Oh, I thought of it. Oh, for goodness sakes. Next week, we'll do it again next week, Gutfeld. But again, I'm just thinking, but I'm

trying to make sense of what you've been put through and it almost feels like a personal vendetta i was wondering if you ran across somebody who was somewhere who became involved in these groups and they made you the the the sacrificial uh lamb so to speak well i you know when i was developing my land there was some local opposition early and i remember i went for a walk with one of the primary local uh posers like the leader of this opposition party and i spent two hours walking land that this particular guy had built actually illegal trails through the city's property that became Cop City. But he accessed these illegal trails, these trespassing trails through my land. And so he really, you know, he was connected to these. And I said to him, I said, what could I do in my

development that might help you achieve the goals that you want? And he said, nothing. I just want you to do nothing. I don't want you to develop. I think you should contribute this land to the community's benefit. And I said, well, that's not one of the options, right? I mean, that's not what I want to do with the land. But I'm willing to be, I'm willing to compromise. I'm willing to come up with ways that it works for everybody. But it can't be 100% I lose you win. That just, it just doesn't work. But that's how they think. You know, they really think that number one, I think they think property ownership should be abolished, individual property ownership. And so they have no respect for individual liberty.

They have no respect for private property. And they are willing to do whatever it takes, whether they have to destroy your character, or they have to occupy your land, or they have to tie you up in court, whatever level of terrorism they can come up with to thwart your ability to exercise your rights as an individual in America, they are willing to do it. is the dark triad at work this is these people with personality styles that are very very dangerous and should not be listened to this is an acting out behavior what do you say to people that say the antifa doesn't exist what do you what did you are you are you getting any traction sort of responding to the press who are the or the or the politicians that claim there's no such thing well i think that's past i think nobody believes that antiva doesn't exist anymore um which is good Good. Five years ago, a lot of people believed that Antipa didn't exist. And a year ago, even people were arguing, when the president of the United States comes out and says, this is a domestic terrorist organization, it's hard to argue about their existence.

Now, what we really need to do, though, is apply the pressure of figuring out exactly how all this organization works. because this is a RICO level, organized crime level operation that is money flowing from overseas, money throwing through crypto, money coming through NGOs, money coming through nonprofits, and flowing in so many ways that it's hard to trace. But if we put the right kind of organization on it, which is really, it's an FBI, this is an FBI problem, right? So the FBI needs to dedicate enough resources to be able to show up and say, we have this whole thing mapped. We know where the money comes from.

We know where money goes. We know where these people are being trained. We know where the primary operatives are that are professors who are organizing this stuff at universities. We know who the primary operatives are who are organizing the bodies that go and do these protests. We know who the primary operatives are who are funneling money to attorneys to use the legal system as a weapon. and we map the entire web and then we run it to ground and we put these people out of business.

That's the only way to deal with them. Where do you want people to go to learn more or to support your efforts? Well, you know, I'd say, you know, follow me on X, RCMilsap.com. Let's keep the conversation going. Let's ping Cash Patel, right? Let's hit him up and say,

we need to make Antifa a priority. We need to see you arresting the people that are funding Antifa. We need to see you arresting the bodies on the ground. But we need to get all of the infiltration and run it to ground such that we know exactly who Antipa is. Because we know they exist and we have many of them that have been arrested at this point. But now we just need to dedicate the efforts at an organizational level in this country to root them out and give them no power. in a place they don't belong. Ryan, appreciate you being here.

Thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you for having me. You betcha. Ryan, R.C. Millsap is where you go to find him. Coming up tomorrow, we are going to have in the studio with me and one and only Cheryl Hines. She's been making the rounds with this book.

I am reading it. We'll start out with Chanel Rionn. We'll be talking about some investigative journalism with her. there's a lot of interesting stuff she's involved with and it'll be delighted to know Susan the one of her topics of interest is the CCP so we'll talk about that

then Larry Elder on the fourth Antifa thing is starting to get get up my start a little bit Antifa oh we had a new good preoccupation I believe Miss Pat had to reschedule and Salty Cracker will be at noon

Pacific on the 6th and Chloe Carmackle's coming back on the 9th she is interested in psychology training and freeing that training process up from its ideological encumberments. Would you put that back up there real quick? I wasn't quite done. I want to say something about the fifth. Oh, Larry Elder.

Larry Elder gave us David Rubin. Dave Rubin was converted from a pretty hardcore lefty to Dave Rubin, as you know him today. And Larry Elder is the man that did it. with a few pointed observations. And then as I said, on the fifth, I'm not sure. Let me look at my calendar to see you quickly if we've replaced Ms. Pat yet.

Ah, I'm seeing Robert Redfield coming back. Yeah, that is a big deal on the fifth. He's the former director of the CDC. Yeah, hello, only bars, you go, girl. She's not here. It's too late. She's already in bed. Okay, well, she's unstoppable.

She wakes up at five in the morning. My goodness. But Redfield is one of the guys that was, you know, really blowing the whistle. early just on the excesses of the likes of Francis Colin and others. Yes, she just texted me. I know it's Redfield. I understand that. Oh, wait. She was awake. Yeah. And Redfield was a, we had him up here once before. He was a great interview. He really tries to

be honest and careful and I just, I admire him. So I look forward to him next week. We'll be broadcasting from New York next week. Can I just say something? All I keep thinking in my head is how much money we spend on our kids' education to get this kind of information. To get the Antifa indoctrination. The professors that we're paying our kids to educate are putting together Antifa terrorism in our own country. It's a brainwashing of these minds, these young minds.

And we saw it during the pandemic, we could tell that this sort of calmest thing was sort of pushing behind all this. Oh, you know, everybody, it's, it's, we all have to take care of each other and we're all, you know, equal and, and it, the schools were pushing it the whole way, you know, my kids were like, terribly indoctrinated, you know, when they came out of a school. Well, except for Douglas, who went to Vanderbilt and he was in the south, I, I really support the southern schools. When we talk to Chanel tomorrow, what do you want to bet? She will tell you that your favorite Communist Party is probably involved in funding. some of that stuff and organizing. Oh, for sure.

Oh, for you say. Chat is not behind Antifo. Yeah. I mean, if you can't explain it, it's always China. But yeah, they're for sure behind it. Because they were, they're just so mad at Trump anyway. So with that said, I appreciate my guest today. I appreciate you all of being here from.

But I'm paying money to educate these kids. I'm sorry, Annie. It just bothers me. Want to talk about the schedule? We're now aware. So appreciate you all being here, appreciate listening. Let me look quickly at the 370 Z is for fun. That's an interesting idea about the collapse of the SDS.

Let me quickly look at the restream and see where you guys are. I think we had David Martin on the show one time. We said to have Mike Stone on. Who's that? I don't know Mike Stone. I don't see that either. So David Martin's name come up a few times. Didn't we have David Martin, Caleb, on the show?

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he's been on, I think, a couple of them. He was really good. Yeah, that's what I thought. I think one of the most few episodes on YouTube that we have, actually. I think one of our biggest ones. And although there's no consternation about it today, I've got a wound on my head here from a skin cancer that was removed.

Hopefully that will turn out to look a lot less gruesome as time goes by. How are you going to wear it on Gutfeld? I'm excited to see. Well, I've got those strips, those bigger strips. Maybe I'll call attention to it like I just did here. I think so. Yeah, I think you just lean into it. I think Gutfeld's going to find tons of fun stuff to say about it.

Yeah. There's lots of jokes. I only have one ear because of my name. Yes, I think leaning into it is a good idea. I might do that. But then he'll... Antifa riot hit your house. I mean, you got it.

Fair enough. All right, everybody. Appreciate it again. Thank you all being here. Thank you to my guest. And we'll see you tomorrow. We'll Cheryl Hines in here. She'll be in here about 2 o'clock tomorrow, Pacific Time.

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