Ask Dr. Drew - Alex Berenson: Even NYT "Can't Hide Reality" of mRNA as Experts Backtrack on Boosters – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 202

Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, I think by now everyone knows who Alex Berenson is, but of course Alex joins us again today. It is a privilege to have him here. If you don't know who he is, he is a New York Times writer. He's an award-winning author. He has multiple books out there, way more than you know, in fact. You're probably familiar with some of his nonfiction books like Pandemia, How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government Rights and Lives, Tell Your Children About Cannabis, and lo and behold,

Starting point is 00:00:27 something about the things that Alex says, they have a way of becoming true or being, going to go from controversial to matter of fact. And it takes a minute, but they eventually get there. And I think I probably found Alex because of that first cannabis book. And he started saying some very interesting things about coronavirus and about vaccines. And a lot has gone on since he last was with us you can follow him on at alexbarrinson.com b-r-e-n-s-o-m also at alexbarrinson on twitter there's a whole twitter story there where he was uh an object of

Starting point is 00:00:57 some of the the censorship there and alexbarrinson.substack.com. The Substack is unreported truths. Let's get to Alex Barrinson. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin.

Starting point is 00:01:19 Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f*** sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.

Starting point is 00:01:30 We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And welcome. As I said, I was just over on the live chat at Rumble.

Starting point is 00:01:57 Susan will just spontaneously start laughing out loud. Not say anything, just start laughing. And I always know it's the Rumble rant, guys. So thank you for entertaining Susan. Good afternoon from communist Canada. Of course, commie Canada. Thank you, Jennifer. So as I said, let me just review again a little bit about Alex. Hey, Caleb, do you have the cannabis book?

Starting point is 00:02:14 I didn't get the full title up there. Maybe you could put that up there. As well as the coronavirus book, Pandemia, How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government Rights and Lives. There is Pandemia. And that Hysteria Took Over Our Government Rights and Lives. There is Pandemia. And that was written midway through. And let's kind of review some of the observations that Alex had there. And we've got a lot to talk about as far as the vaccine goes today as well.

Starting point is 00:02:36 Please welcome Alex Berenson. Welcome. Dr. Drew, good to be here. So Pandemia was what, about 12, 14 months ago? 15 now. It came out in late 2021. Feels like a long time ago. In fact, I was talking...

Starting point is 00:02:55 Go ahead. Sorry, go on. You were talking? I was talking to Regnery, the publisher, about updating it. And I sort of felt like, you know what? Maybe, I mean, I want an update because it's hard. If we're going to put out a paperback, which some people want, we should have an update. And then I thought, there's so much that's happened.

Starting point is 00:03:15 Maybe I just need another book, which would really be focused on the vaccines. Yeah, there is so much that has happened. And I've learned a ton since the last time we spoke there's just been all kinds of data but i'm wondering let's kind of evaluate your pen your book what did you get right what did you get wrong i think it's always a useful exercise to sort of think about things any of us that we got right when we got wrong unfortunately the government isn't willing to do this but the rest of us can go through this exercise i mean i i would say the the number one thing that i got wrong uh i was the number one thing that i got wrong was i was hopeful in the summer of 2020

Starting point is 00:03:53 that maybe we were on the way out of this because there seemed to be this pattern in a lot of places you know first in new york and then in the South and Southwest of a lot of cases. And then the cases just, you know, there was a big peak and then they went way down. And, you know, there was some evidence out there of cross reactivity among T cells. And maybe I was hopeful that there were a lot of people who had some immunity and they weren't going to get infected. And that proved not to be the case. Everybody had to get infected. And whether you're vaccinated or not, everybody had to get infected. So I was wrong about that. You know, look, I didn't bet the farm on that, but I was, you know, I wrote a piece in, I think, the summer of 2020 saying, hopefully, maybe this is going to go away faster than we think. That was wrong. I will say- Let me stop you.

Starting point is 00:04:46 Let me stop at that point. But at that point, we really weren't familiar with Omicron. In reality, had it been Alpha and Delta, you might have been right, but it morphed into something far more contagious and far less virulent. Yes, that's definitely true. I also, I mean, I said, I estimated 600,000 deaths in an unreported truce booklet in June of 2020. Now, you can say that was wrong and low. I mean, that was actually an incredibly high estimate at that time. So actually, and frankly, the way we count deaths,

Starting point is 00:05:20 and certainly in the Omicron era, the way we count deaths is absurd. You know, the idea that two or 300 people are still dying of this virus every day is nonsense. It's, these are really old sick people are dying with this now. I mean, more than ever, that was always a little bit true, but I think now it's, it's, it's mostly true. So that was wrong. And then, I mean, I, I guess, and this is, I mean, I guess I thought that people would respond more rationally starting in April 2020. I thought, look, we were very scared in February and March. And as soon as it became clear that this couldn't crush the health system, no matter how bad it got. And I think New York City, as bad as it was, and I talk about this a lot in pandemia, it could not crush the health system, even under those circumstances. I thought there'd be a return to rationality across the country very quickly after return. That's really the question. A combination of politics and certain, you know, imperatives in the public health system, which, you know, I wrote a big sub stack about this just two days ago.

Starting point is 00:06:32 There's a guy named Mike Osterholm, who's a very well-known epidemiologist. OK, and Osterholm has COVID now. He just turned 70. He got COVID probably the night of his birthday. You know, happy birthday. Three years, no COVID. Now you got now you got Omicron. he, and that's not what's interesting. Okay. Cause everybody has gotten COVID and many people have gotten it more than once. What's interesting is that this guy three years in is still masking with an N95 whenever he goes out, testing people before he sees them, has been vaccinated five times. He's gotten five shots, not three or four, five shots. And he's okay. He's 70. He's not 90. And he's not in

Starting point is 00:07:15 terrible shape. He's a little bit heavy, but he's not morbidly obese or anything. This is how, and this is what I wrote about. So, you know, nutritionists, and you probably see this in your professional career all the time, nutritionists have very high rates of eating disorders. Psychiatrists and psychologists have higher than average rates of mental illness. I think probably epidemiologists, you know, it's the opposite of the guy who just strides into the Ebola epidemic unafraid. I suspect these people are drawn to this because they have a, I don't want to say a morbid, but in some cases, a morbid fear of these epidemics, or in some cases,

Starting point is 00:07:53 they have a hero complex where they see them everywhere and they want to end them. I think that this is probably a real thing, beyond the fact that all their financial incentives are driving them to say this is worse so that it can continue and they can get research funding and everything else. I think there's probably a psychological component to this where they, you know, I can't quit you COVID. And so that, you know, that, unfortunately, that played into the media and, you know, it certainly played into the democratic side of you know the the spectrum

Starting point is 00:08:25 and it got very very hard to get out of the ditch that we drove into in the spring of 2020 speaking of i told alex a story about my dropping into a ditch this afternoon that's called priming alex i primed you to bring up that time that image i did I did drive into a ditch today. But yeah, I think that is accurate. I think both are probably accurate. I think the phobic quality is definitely there. You can see it in the way they talk about it. But I want to talk a little more about this, what you're calling a hero complex. I've been saying now for several weeks, maybe even a couple of months, that the opioid epidemic was line and verse the same phenomenology as this pandemic. And at the core of the phenomenon is evangelical physicians, evangelical clinicians who decided it's their God-given priority to save the world, in the case of opiates, from pain.

Starting point is 00:09:27 And I give a lecture where I quote after quote after quote by about five of these guys, Porter and Jick and these guys that were responsible for really getting this thing going, that this was a white coat profession. Anyone that got in the way of it was a bad person that sound familiar, who was interested in harming people. And then because they were so evangelical, they were able to get ahold of the professional societies, the joint commission of hospital accreditation, VA, the medical boards, the insurance companies sound familiar. And pain is the fifth vital sign became this thing that was adopted

Starting point is 00:10:05 first by the via and everybody else and i spent 10 years fighting like a maniac against this thing and it was a juggernaut just like this it was so this was so familiar to me that if you update the book i hope you will do this and of course course, the drug company sees who the evangelists are and just puts them on a rocket ship. Let me introduce you to the regulators. Let me introduce you to the state societies. Let me pay you 10 grand to go out and speak. Let me pay for your transportation as you go around the country, Dr. What was her name that went around the country evangelizing for lockdown? Dr. Burks, let me send you around.

Starting point is 00:10:48 Dr. Burks, let me send you around because we're, right? Sound familiar? I mean, it's the same damn thing. And I swear to God, if you see an evangelical, that's mad doctor stuff. We just don't know. We think it's somebody doing good, but there's untoward potential for harm. Well, I mean, it's funny you say that because I have actually thought the same thing. And, you know, and you're exactly right.

Starting point is 00:11:14 I mean, you know, the two great, you know, medically caused epidemics of the last, I mean, what's happened with opioids is horrible. And I think there's, you know, considerable evidence that virology caused this pandemic. And we are, you know, I mean, we'll see. We may never see. But I think certainly a fair look at the evidence suggests more likely than not, much more likely than not, that this came out of a lab. And then we'll see just how bad the mRNA has proved to be. I think, unfortunately, we are still finding that out. And I think sort of on a weekly and monthly basis, it looks worse. I don't know where the bottom is, but I'm not more optimistic about the long-term effects of the mRNAs than I was a year ago, unfortunately.

Starting point is 00:12:02 But you're exactly right. And the one thing I would emphasize more than you even is the drug companies, right? So whether it's Purdue or, you know, Johnson & Johnson, which made money on fentanyl, or, you know, this little company that went broke called Insys. So, you know, there are those guys. And then the money that was made in the vaccines and in other and actually in COVID therapeutics, too, and the monoclonals, which actually do work. But, you know, remdesivir, which doesn't work very well, billions of dollars made in that over 100 billion dollars made in the vaccines.

Starting point is 00:12:35 And and the one thing, you know, I'm thinking I was thinking about writing a stack or writing some kind of Twitter thread on this. Like, you know, we were like, we'll get to this New York Times story that I, you know, that I wrote about on the stack today and Dr. Paul Offit's comments. But you can feel, I think, that he feels burned, okay? That, you know, he feels that if you go back and look at what he, and he's a very, very, you know, strong advocate for vaccines. And two years ago, he said these vaccines were perfect. That was his word. Okay. I think the actual language is they're as close to perfect as you could hope or something like that. Now he's saying they shouldn't be given to anybody. No more jabs as far as he is concerned right now with the data that we have. So how long is it going to take for you know not just average doctors and you

Starting point is 00:13:28 know and even an average doctor is very very well trained but but you know academic doctors to understand that the drug companies are really not their friends okay drug companies i'm not saying that they will hurt people for money but they really don't particularly care how well their drugs work if they're approvable. Okay. They don't. They want, they are, they are profit driven enterprises. And when they have an approvable product, they will market it and sell it as hard as

Starting point is 00:13:56 possible and downplay the side effects to the extent they legally can. And sometimes more than that. And if you don't believe me, just look at the settlements and the lawsuits and the criminal charges in some cases that have been filed in the last 30 years. These companies, they are rational actors. That does not mean they are ethical actors. Nor does it mean they are medical practitioners. This is the part that I think everyone misses. They expect drug companies to be almost like the pharmaceutical professionals, you know, which is a, that is a group of professionals who have the patient's

Starting point is 00:14:31 interest in mind. That is their job. That is not what a pharmaceutical company has in mind. Right. I mean, you know, again, they're supposed to make, you know, they're supposed to be ethical, right? It used to be called the ethical pharmaceutical industry, and they're supposed to be science driven, and they're supposed to run the trials without a thumb on the scale. And, you know, frankly, if the drug doesn't work, they're supposed to tell the regulators that you'd hope for all of that. But it turns out in the real world, when there's billions or tens of billions of dollars on the line, that is just not how it works. So I think you're talking about the can't hide reality article you wrote correct uh let's talk about it that could be any of them but but you're talking

Starting point is 00:15:12 about yes the one today um about this new york times article came out a week ago that sort of nobody noticed because the times buried it because i think because you know i don't know that they were expecting to get the responses that they did from very, you know, there's this group of sort of doctors, you know, I could name them all. If you call them, you can sort of reliably, you know, know what they're going to say or think, you know, what they're going to say about, should I get another booster? And I think the reporter who wrote this was expecting that the answer would be, yes, you

Starting point is 00:15:43 know, definitely if you're over 65, it's time for another booster. Look at what Canada is doing. Look at what the UK is doing. How come the US hasn't done this yet? And in fact, they got a very different response. A doctor named Celine Gounder, who has been very, very pro-vaccine and just a few months ago said that everybody over 50 should get another booster. She basically said she didn't think anybody who wasn't in a nursing home or immunocompromised, and she doesn't mean immunocompromised like, oh, you know, I have asthma or something. You know, she means like, she means I believe, and I should say, like, you know, I'm getting chemo right now, right? I mean, I think that's how she's using that term. Um, so she's talking,

Starting point is 00:16:26 right. She's talking about a very narrow group of people. So, uh, so she said that, and then off it, as I said, went further off, it said, you know, nobody right now should be getting these. And he used the term biological agent, which is a term that I would use for these. That's what these are. They're not vaccines. I wouldn't even call them, you know, shots or jabs at this point. They are mRNA, which is a very powerful biological agent. And it is just very striking that, you know, that a guy who is enormously pro-vaccine, who invented a vaccine, he invented the, or, you know, helped bring to market and invented the rotavirus, one of the rotavirus vaccines, you know, and two

Starting point is 00:17:05 years ago said these were perfect, is now saying this. So that's what I, you know, that's what I wrote about today. That's sort of what I, you know, what I do in the sub stack, you know, I do some original reporting in the sense of I read a lot of papers and I look for patterns and stuff like that. You know, most of these people probably will not talk to me. You know, if I picked up the phone and sometimes I email them and try to get them to talk to me, mostly they won't or don't respond because they, you know, they know who I am and they know that I've been very anti-mRNA. But so I'm looking for stuff like that where I can see, you know, Offit said this, and wow, that is very different than what he said a few, you know, because I've now been really living this for three years, so I know who says what. It's people, it's doctors once again finally applying their clinical judgment. And you

Starting point is 00:17:52 notice that a lot of these people are adult medical doctors. One of the things I learned during the pandemic is that many of our public health officials are pediatricians, and they are not trained to make decisions around adult medicine. In fact, I talked to Peter Hotez, nice guy, good guy. We agreed on most things, but he went just completely off the rail as it pertained to long COVID and the potential neurological effects. And I thought with any serious illness in your old person, you get neurological effects. It's just the way it's just, and you can get brain shrinkage from every serious, and then they come back. Then they do fine.

Starting point is 00:18:27 He doesn't have that experience. To him, it's like, that's going to happen to me, and I'm going to get sick and get Alzheimer's. Now, there may still yet be some really serious neurological long-term. I don't want to speak with absolute sort of hubris on this, but the fact is he's just not trained to make those sorts of decisions. Celine Gounder is. Celine Gounder is an adult infectious disease doctor.

Starting point is 00:18:46 And I've been saying for quite some time, which is you have a mild illness. What is the risk reward? I understand after age 65, it makes perfect sense to me. Although I've stopped continuing to booster my patients because they've all had COVID. They've all had three or four vaccines. And the ones that have gotten sick in spite of that have responded well to Paxlovid. So that's enough. We've gone far enough.

Starting point is 00:19:09 And presumably, as the natural immunity continues to accumulate, it'll be maybe milder yet going down the road. But younger people, where it's crazy mild, I don't understand the risk-reward. Why push so hard? Why push a 14-year-old to get this? Where is that coming from? I mean, that's a great question. And, you know, most of other industrialized countries, certainly all over Europe,

Starting point is 00:19:33 they've basically stopped recommending these vaccines, not just for people under 18. You know, they've really stopped in a number of countries under 50, and some of the Nordic countries, I think, are up to 65 now. So, you know, why the U.S.? The U.S. is now an outlier in pushing these. And whether it's because, you know, they were sort of invented here. I mean, look, Germany, obviously, BioNTech. But the NIH played a huge role in this, whether it's because, you know, the Democratic policy establishment just

Starting point is 00:20:01 cannot admit, you know, it's time to lay off. I mean, look, we have this ridiculous requirement still that you have to be vaccinated to enter the country. You know, if you're not a U.S. citizen, almost no other place in the world has that. And it's completely wrong and unfair at this point. So I don't know. I mean, the one good thing I'll say, Dr. Drew, is that it's clear these will never be mandated for school children that that is that is over and um you know i think we we may have talked about that you know a year ago but fortunately even in a place like california even in new york even in the super blue states that is off the table so that is good we got we got very close they got very close here and i i still don't believe it's off the table the way they behave here but go

Starting point is 00:20:45 ahead ask me a question so i mean when you talk do you think other doctors you know sort of now feel the way you do about you know i'm not going to recommend this to my adult patients you know that basically there's going to be very few more mrnas given to people at this point yeah yeah i i. I think that's it. And that's why they're putting the price at such a high, they claim that's the reason for raising their price, which seems contrary to economic theory, but okay. That's what they decided to do. And, and I think, I think Covaxin is going to come along too. And I think that's going to be, if you're going to take a vaccine, I'm going to start talking to patients about that one if it's available that's true yeah i mean you know i got coveted a few weeks ago i may have had it before but this is the first time i knew i had it

Starting point is 00:21:33 um but if i ever get vaccinated it will be with one of the inactivated virus uh vaccines because yeah um well of course i took i took i took j&J and had a terrible reaction. So be careful what you wish for. Yeah, no, I... There, that's my reaction. I developed a black eye spontaneously in the middle of the night. Oh, wow. And that is the presenting feature of the consumptive coagulopathy associated with transverse sinus thrombosis.

Starting point is 00:21:59 So I thought, uh-oh, here we go. The only male to get it, but it never went beyond just the that symptom. Yeah. Well, you're lucky, you know, you're not female, right? Who knows? Maybe it would have. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:14 So you were I interrupted you. Sorry. Oh, no, no. I mean, I just said one of the interesting things that, you know, that has happened in the last few months that, again, you know, the still you know unwilling to admit how badly the vaccines have worked um you know so China right China had you know obviously the you know in 2020 uh the epidemic began there they locked down hard they really eliminated covet I mean you can you can say that we don't know but they appeared to have largely eliminated these

Starting point is 00:22:46 outbreaks that came and went. They vaccinated not with the mRNAs. They refused to vaccinate with the mRNAs. They used Covaxin. They used their own homegrown inactivated virus vaccines. flash forward to late fall of last year, and the economy, the Chinese economy is suffering. They realize they can't lock down anymore. They need to stop. There's actual protests in the streets, very, very rare for China. So basically, in a matter of days, they end any COVID restrictions. And I don't know if you remember, but there were a lot of people on twitter and in places like the economist and uh you know uh new york times had an

Starting point is 00:23:32 edit an op-ed in january you know china is headed for disaster there's you know they have such a large population elderly population they have an inadequate hospital system and they they haven't used our miracle vaccines and lo and behold behold, it looks like, you know, China had basically about four bad weeks in, you know, sort of early December through early January. And there were definitely deaths. I mean, they definitely, you know, I don't know whether they lost a million people. Remember, it's a billion and a half people, including a lot of really elderly people. But China was in no way societally impacted. And now they appear to be completely done. So they used the quote unquote wrong vaccine. They ended it all at once. And because Omicron is relatively mild, it's hard to see that

Starting point is 00:24:21 anything really bad happened. Meanwhile so, I mean, you know, if the, meanwhile, countries like Australia and Thailand, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and Taiwan, and a lot of Europe, they're struggling with sort of ongoing excess mortality that's gone on sort of month after month after month. And nobody really has any good explanation for this. And to me, you have to ask the question of whether the mRNAs are causing this. Now, the key on this is that it's not like they have 50% extra deaths. They're having sort of 8% to 15% extra week after week, month after month. And it's mostly in elderly people. It's in the same people who die of COVID.

Starting point is 00:25:01 And so what is driving that? I mean, we really should answer that question. In the U.S., it's more complicated. In the U.S., we have some of those extra deaths, but we also had, you know, more COVID deaths. And we also have this terrible problem with opioid deaths that is inflating our death statistics in younger people too. Europe doesn't have that. You know, a place like Taiwan certainly doesn't have that. So you can more clearly see, you know, that this is a bubble that appears to be, I mean, to my mind, the first likely cause is vaccines. So, you know, I think we need to look at that. Why isn't it? I mean, we're not, the excess mortality was not that much worse during the pandemic. Why isn't there the same urgency to address this excess mortality now?

Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah, you got, that's a great question. That is a great question. It's insane. Because they don't know, you know, you don't want, the people in charge don't want to find the answer. I mean, that, that you gotta, you gotta think that's, that's the most likely reason. Well, one of the, one of the problems I have is with the medical literature. I'm getting very confused by it, at least the American medical literature, which I've leaned on my entire career. I mean, I read it, read it, read it, read it, three different magazines on a weekly basis. And now I see what looks like a campaign to put all the excess deaths into some sort of COVID box. There's sort of these waves of articles coming out,

Starting point is 00:26:28 and it doesn't fit the clinical pictures. And then by the same token, it's particularly confusing to me when it comes to pregnancy, because there's these horrible statistics around pregnancy and stillbirths and spontaneous abortions and nothing but rosy data on the vaccine during pregnancy also doesn't fit the clinical picture. What's going on? I mean, what is going on? That's an excellent question. Another thing that is happening that is clearly happening

Starting point is 00:26:59 is that births, and look, there's been a long-term trend in the West and in wealthier societies towards fewer kids, but in a country like Britain, um, you know, births have like fallen off a cliff in the last, in the last 18 months, you know, they're down 10 to 15%. And that's true in a lot of, you know, a lot of Western countries where the mRNAs were used heavily, not all of them, but you know, a lot of them. And so, uh, and, and if you look at the timing, it's suspicious too, because in some countries you can really pin it to about nine months after the mRNAs began. And I don't actually see, and you're talking about a mistake. The most recent mistake I've

Starting point is 00:27:39 made that was a serious error, which it just was a mistake. Singapore seemed to have some data showing that stillbirths were way up in Singapore following vaccines. And it turned out that they'd actually changed the definition of stillbirth from 28 weeks to 22 weeks. And that was what had led to this. So it was a data artifact. And they didn't even they didn't footnote this anywhere. So so you had to sort of figure this out independently. And I didn't even, they didn't footnote this anywhere. So you had to sort of figure this out independently, and I didn't do it. I failed. So I don't necessarily see huge risk from the vaccine in pregnancy. But what I do see is the live births going down. And there is this study from last year, an Israeli study, a pretty good study showing that sperm counts post-vaccine dropped significantly.

Starting point is 00:28:25 And so, I mean, you see that story, okay? Shouldn't, you know, 10 really good, you know, fertility doctors be doing a study and be looking at sperm that they have bagged from people pre-vaccine, post-vaccine? Shouldn't we be figuring out whether this is real or not? So you see the study and then you see no follow up. Right. And you see, you know, there were two papers that came out in January of this year and in December of 2022. So two papers in a matter of weeks that came out showing this class switch to IgG4 antibodies in people who'd gotten at least two or three doses of the mRNAs. And we know IgG4, that is sort of the allergy antibody, right? That's not necessarily the antibody you want to have to a replicating virus in your body. And, you know, this seems like a big deal to me. And there's been speculation that this sort of could explain why people who've been vaccinated,

Starting point is 00:29:21 you know, yes, when they get Omicron, for the most part, they, you know, they eventually they shock it and especially they take Paxlova, they, you know, they don't die. They don't necessarily get that sick, but it takes them a long time and then they get it again. You know, why is that? Well, I mean, you can make a pretty good case that it has something to do with this class switch. I'm not saying that's proven in any way. I'm just saying there's a case. Shouldn't that be something that the FDA and the CDC and, you know, and Pfizer itself are publicly discussing and saying we're going to investigate this? And the answer I would think is yes, but it's not happening. I'm hearing that the ability to get more range of studies published is improving. During the pandemic, there was like a shutdown on really the usual conversation in the medical literature. It was just all one direction. And now I'm hearing that it's less.

Starting point is 00:30:20 I just am not seeing it. And as always, when the literature doesn't fit my clinical experience, that's when I get a little worried that whatever's going on in the literature is not reflecting what's actually the reality. I mean, you know, I hear from a lot of doctors. Now, there are a lot of doctors. And, you know, even if I hear from, I don't know how many, you know, dozens, you know, over the course of a month or, that's a tiny number of the overall number of doctors, obviously, but I still hear from them and they say to me, I feel constrained at what I can say at work.

Starting point is 00:30:54 Not forget, forget disciplinary action. I just don't talk honestly about this. And sometimes I hear from patients too, who say, my doctor said to me, yeah, this is definitely the vaccine. Well, are we gonna file a various report? No, let's just be done with it. And most of the time that's what happens.

Starting point is 00:31:14 And so, I mean, it's interesting when you do look at case reports and there are case reports about, there's a fair bit of autoimmune disease that seems to follow these vaccines. And so whether that's a fair bit of autoimmune disease that seems to follow these vaccines. And so, you know, whether that's a, you know, or in some cases, flare-ups of something like herpes or, you know, or shingles, you know, so you see these, you know, sort of immune reactions. A lot of that literature comes out of other countries. You know, for example, Japan, I think, you know, tends to be a

Starting point is 00:31:44 little bit more cautious about vaccines. So you see Japanese doctors writing about this. Unfortunately, you know, a lot of them are writing in English, you know, and it's sort of like, it's small journals. It's not the New England Journal of Medicine, but they're real case reports. They're real doctors reporting what they really see. And it seems like in the United States, there's been a very strong reluctance to do. Alex, got to take a little break here. Alex Berenson, I got a bunch of other stuff I want to talk about when I get you back here. So I hope you'll be put up with me. I've just got so many different things on my mind right now. So we'll be back with more Alex Berenson right after this. Over the last few months, no doubt you've heard a lot about spike protein, certainly on this

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Starting point is 00:36:14 wanted me to ask about your interaction with Robert Malone. I didn't hear it. I didn't read it. Did something happen there with Dr. Malone? Oh, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. We don't have you. Hold on. We let you down for a second. There you are. You're back. You're back.

Starting point is 00:36:29 You're back. You're back. Yeah. Well, I mean, so I said that I didn't think Malone was helping anybody. I think it was about ivermectin. I said, I didn't think he was helping anybody by, you know, sort of pushing ivermectin. I don't think ivermectin works very well. And certainly now that we have Paxlovid, that's very, very effective, you know, sort of pushing ivermectin. I don't think ivermectin works very well. And certainly now that we have Paxlovid, that's very, very effective, you know, even, even though, look, it may be useless in people who are under 65 because they're at such low risk, but for people who are at real risk from, you know, from COVID, Paxlovid is a useful medicine. I think that's been demonstrated whether you're vaccinated or not. There's stronger evidence

Starting point is 00:37:03 people are unvaccinated, but there's real evidence in vaccinate people too so you know I I think under those circumstances giving people what's basically a placebo is not you know I I would look I'm not an MD I don't have the right to prescribe anything but I wouldn't do that um and Malone never forgets a slight um and he never forgets a disagreement and uh he didn't like that. And he still, I mean, this was over a year ago. And he's still talking about it. He tweeted about it the other day, again. So Malone, I can't, look, I have other things to worry about. I am on the verge of filing, and we haven't talked about this at all, but I'm on the verge

Starting point is 00:37:40 of filing this lawsuit against the president and, the president and, you know, a couple of White House advisors and against Scott Gottlieb at Pfizer and against Albert Borla at Pfizer, you know, the CEO of Pfizer. Scott Gottlieb is a board member of Pfizer for their, you know, their efforts to get me deplatformed from Twitter, to get Twitter to censor me back in 2001. It's a very serious lawsuit. It's going to be a federal lawsuit. We're going to, I think we have a real chance. I mean, I, you know, I don't do these things for fun. I do them because I think, I think, I think there's a very important first amendment case here. And I also think we have a real chance to win just as we did when I

Starting point is 00:38:20 sued Twitter, you know, in December, 2021, which a lot of people mocked me for. And, you know, the joke was ultimately on Twitter. This was pre-Elon Twitter when, you know, a federal judge said the case should move forward, surviving the motion to dismiss. And then Twitter had to, you know, ultimately they settled with me and put me back on. Again, all pre-Musk, had nothing to do with Elon. And so, you know what what what robert malone wants to say about me is irrelevant to me what's relevant to me fair enough yeah we have bigger issues well let's go to the twitter very useful drug at this point i i don't really either i but i don't you know to me the the one phenomenon again the one area that has been ruptured in this is the doctor-patient relationship.

Starting point is 00:39:08 And nobody should be second-guessing or looking at what a doctor and a patient do together. It should be between the two of them, and that's it. If Joe Rogan's doctor wants to give him some ivermectin, it's none of our fucking business. And by the way, they focused on that, and he did some other weird stuff that was kind of interesting, too. He gave them the NAD infusion. He gave them NAD infusion. They gave them monoclonal amide. They did some really interesting things. Between the two of them, it had nothing to do with anybody else than the two of them.

Starting point is 00:39:42 And the fact that people felt a privilege to step in and start commenting on it was disgusting to me. So that that's one thing about that. So if they want to use it, fine, but you're right. Paxlovid, I will tell you, having prescribed all these things, Paxlovid people are better in two days, period. They are just better fast. And that now what's weird to get back to the medical literature,

Starting point is 00:40:02 there was a big study that just came out that proved there's no such thing as rebound. Well, then what am I seeing? What is this thing I'm seeing when people end up with these bronchial symptoms for two weeks, five days after they finish their Paxlovid course? And the science world wants to go, oh, it's that cytokine again. No, this has nothing to do with cytokine activation. This is the airway inflammation that is associated with omicron it comes back i i've seen it and seen it and seen it better than the acute illness i'm glad i prescribed the paxlovid but it makes me

Starting point is 00:40:37 sort of a little more cautious with paxlovid sometimes see i mean and this is where you're the fact that you really you know you're not somebody you're not you're not seeing one patient weekly you clearly see a lot of patients so you really can bring your clinical experience in here and you know it's one thing by the way look i totally agree with you about the clinician's privilege right you have trained all these years you now you practice you see all these patients unless you're doing something really harmful it you know in which case a medical board needs to step in you know if you're if you're trading there's a system for that yeah there's a system for that there's there's a system in place you yeah you it's the art of medicine you're entitled to some leeway and so i i i absolutely agree with

Starting point is 00:41:26 that and and i am very conscious that i'm not a doctor when i when when i wasn't a parent i always respected parents i really did and and and now that i am a parent you know if you don't have kids don't tell me how to parent you don't know the first thing about it okay and i sort of feel that way about medicine as a non-physician i am very respectful of physicians decisions and if and in general you know again like when when there was no paxlovid for people to prescribe ivermectin if they thought they had good reasons to do it good now that the literature is so strong on paxlovid i don't see much reason to prescribe ivermectin but i don't also don't think as a non-physician it's my role to get really mad

Starting point is 00:42:06 about it right nor nor is it for me to tell other other doctor patient units to how they should function but it's interesting that in this through this pandemic we had people with over the top extreme opinions about medication that they had learned how to pronounce three days prior. And suddenly they had incredibly powerful opinions about a medication that I've been prescribing for 30 years that they just learned how to pronounce. Not that they know anything about it. They just learned how to pronounce the word. It's just, this was an uncanny time. But let's go back around to that sort of insanity.

Starting point is 00:42:45 We're talking about the evangelical physicians, and people think I'm talking about religious evangelism. I'm just talking about evangelism, not religious evangelism. You can evangelize on any topic. And physicians, when they become evangelical, they become dangerous. And we were talking about how the pandemic group, the epidemiologists and whatnot, seem to have either a desire to be a hero with the advent of a pandemic, which is inevitable, or a phobia about the possibility of a pandemic. And they absolutely are perfectionistic in terms of their attempts to avoid it. There's another part of this, though, that I've learned. I've learned a couple of really interesting things through talking to lots of people, which is that there is a pan, there's sort of a pandemic ink. There's a pandemic industry out there. There's a world of professionals that are hammers waiting to find that nail to start hammering on it. And, and the coronavirus,

Starting point is 00:43:41 SARS-CoV-2 had an uncanny sort of appeal to that pandemic ink group who had just been rehearsing, dealing with exactly this, exactly, well, let's call it the nail that they needed to hammer. And that, to me, is a really interesting part of this story that I did not know. Yes, you're absolutely correct. You know, this really dates back to really about 2000, right? So, you know, a guy named D.A. Henderson, who I think, unfortunately, he's dead now. He died in 2016. But by all accounts, you know, a great guy and really was as responsible for anybody for the final eradication of smallpox and, you know, sort of engaged in this campaign to get the U.S. and what was then the Soviet Union to eliminate the last of their smallpox. Well, in, you know, in the 90s,

Starting point is 00:44:31 the U.S. military came to him and said, by the way, they, you know, the Russians have been, they've been manufacturing smallpox by the ton, you know, in Siberia. Well, you thought there was none left. And he was very upset. And, you know, by the way, they're playing with Ebola and they're, you know, seeing if they can put them together. And there's anthrax by the, you know, by the pound being made. So he became very concerned about the threat of bioterror. And, you know, and he was very respected, you know respected on Capitol Hill and then at the Pentagon because of his experience with smallpox and in the public health community. And then 2001, the attacks on the Twin Towers and then the anthrax attacks, which initially were thought to be the work of Muslim terrorists, although ultimately it's almost certain

Starting point is 00:45:25 that an American biodefense scientist carried them out. And so that led to this huge increase in spending on bioterror research and bioterror defense research. And sort of this whole generation of scientists um realized that there was money here and and and and and again it's sort of like uh you know the scientists you're the physicians you're talking about who the pain and the fifth vital sign well we're going to protect the world from this um and then you know same thing same thing and uh and unfortunately so you know or fortunately in some ways, it turns out that biological weapons are actually terrible weapons. You can't control them.

Starting point is 00:46:12 For the same cost of a big lab, you could put 1,000 people out with AK-47s and do inestimable damage, or you could make a nuke and really blow up the world. And so, you know, and by the way, chemical weapons are actually quite cheap and quite awful. So there really isn't a great role for biological weapons. You know, the only people who can really make them work are states. And if you're a state that's powerful enough to use them, you're going to have nuclear weapons. And nuclear weapons as a deterrent, you know, so if we say to the Soviets, okay, you can start with the smallpox, we're just going torent you know so if we say to the soviets okay you can start with the smallpox we're just gonna you know we're gonna drop a 50 megaton on moscow

Starting point is 00:46:49 that actually works as a deterrent right so there's really not a great role in war for biological weapons you know you can always try to find an argument for them but it's not a good role and so within a few years you know remember we went into iraq looking for these labs there were no real labs, it became clear that Al Qaeda really had not gotten anywhere with any of this stuff. You know, the truth about these, their uselessness as weapons became pretty clear to people. And so all these guys needed something to do. And they found it in the emerging infectious disease space. Right. So the theory of emerging infectious diseases,

Starting point is 00:47:26 even though there have been human beings on this planet for, you know, a million years, and we've been all, you know, we've been in every cave that's ever existed, that somehow climate change is going to, you know, and the fact that there's more, you know, there's now some Chinese miners in some cave in Yunnan, mean that there's some terrible bug out there just waiting to be discovered. Even though, frankly, like before, you know, SARS, yeah, SARS killed some people, but it actually

Starting point is 00:47:50 wasn't very infectious. Before COVID, we hadn't had a real respiratory virus epidemic, a serious one in a century, right? And so, yes, we had the flu and the flu killed some older people, but I'm talking about the kind of epidemic that COVID yes, we had the flu and the flu kills some older people, but I'm talking about the kind of epidemic that COVID was, much less the Spanish flu. But these guys insisted that it was out there, that we just needed to go to enough caves and we would find this terrible disease X that had exactly the right mix of infectivity and virulence and was going to kill us all. And guess what? They couldn't find it. So then the next thing they did was say, okay, just give us a chance to play with it in a

Starting point is 00:48:29 lab, you know, and we'll make it bad. We'll show you which one's going to get bad. I mean, this really was the logic. Gain-of-function research. We need to figure out what could happen. And by the way, somebody made an extraordinary point that I hadn't considered until very recently, which is, gain-of-function research, even if it works, is useless because in the wild, there's so many, you know, trillions of ways that these viruses can combine that no matter how many, you know, runs through ferrets you try or how many theoretical, you know, runs through ferrets, your try, or how many theoretical, you know, changes you make to the genome of some bat virus you got to try to make it more virulent, you're not going to find what happens in the wild, right? Because you just, you just, I mean, the argument is even

Starting point is 00:49:19 let's say COVID is natural, which I don't think it was. But if it's natural, we did a terrible job predicting it for, you know, the last natural, we did a terrible job predicting it. For the last decade, we've been trying to predict it. We failed. So the argument is basically gain of function is all downside, no upside. Even if it works, it doesn't work because it doesn't actually tell you where the next epidemic is coming from. But guess what?

Starting point is 00:49:41 There was hundreds of really, if not billions of dollars available from places like the Gates Foundation and, you know, and the U.S. government and WHO to, you know, to try to look at emerging infectious diseases. And all these guys needed something to do. And this is what they did. It's interesting, you know, back to the lockdown and and you know why we locked down which is so mysterious i i've heard a few more pieces of the puzzle which was essentially that it was pandemic inc some of those folks were sort of persuaded by the chinese their chinese counterparts who by the way sat side by side with them at their rehearsals of the pandemic, that they had completely eliminated COVID in China. It was the graph went up and then flat, which is totally ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:50:34 But they are scientists bought that. And but it really wasn't until Italy locked down, apparently, that the the lockdown caught wind. And one of the politicians in Lombardy who brought the lockdown to that region published a book before the pandemic was over about what he was doing. And he had apparently in this book expresses that this really wasn't about controlling COVID. He was a Sinophile and it was about bringing totalitarian policies to Italy. This was his opportunity to do that. They took the book off the market. It was such an embarrassment.

Starting point is 00:51:12 But that's the reason that lockdown came to the Western region. And then everybody followed that just out of panic. Certainly, Italy was the first Western. I go into this in pandemia, you know, and I mean, you know, there was this there was this fear in northern Italy.

Starting point is 00:51:32 I mean, the the the other side of this, I would say, is that I think there were some Western scientists who were overly afraid of covid because although they would not admit it publicly then or now, they thought it had come publicly then or now, they thought it had come out of a lab and they thought it had been sort of manipulated in a way that would make it very dangerous. And as I joked once in some tweet that probably earned me the usual amount of hate two years ago, it was just another rushed, failed, Chinese stolen product. It didn't work that well, certainly as a weapon of war.

Starting point is 00:52:07 But they were afraid of that, I think. And so that was what helped lead to these lockdowns. And then you're right. I mean, you can look at people on the left, not just in Italy, but in the US saying, well, this is going to get us universal basic income. This is going to move us to a socialist paradise. Nobody's going to be able to work. The government's going to have to step in in an unprecedented way, which, you know, which it did for a while. And we're going to all have to get comfortable with a lot more government intervention in our lives. And, you know, I don't know if Ron DeSantis hadn't been around, if, you know, if Andrew Gillum hadn't been caught smoking crack with a male prostitute in 2017, no joke,

Starting point is 00:52:46 or whenever that was, and DeSantis hadn't won, maybe that would have happened. I mean, instead, Florida sort of refused to lock down. I mean, DeSantis, to me, is a real hero in all of this. And you can still see, you know, Vanity Fair took a, you know, they tried to take, I'm going to write a stack about this in the next day or two. They, you know, they tried to take him down yesterday or a few days ago. And there's a guy named Joseph Ladopo, who you should have on. He's the Florida Surgeon General. He's a really smart, interesting guy. Great guy. And, you know, and he stands for what's right, you know, what he believes, certainly. But, you know, Vanity Fair wrote this long article about how, you know, what he believes, certainly. But, you know, Vanity Fair wrote this long article about how, you know, how terrible DeSantis is and what an anti-vaxxer he is and how he's not pushing

Starting point is 00:53:30 pediatric vaccines. And you know what they failed to say? Again, as we talked about a few minutes ago, most of Europe has completely ended, you know, pediatric COVID vaccines. So, you want to get on DeSantis? You want to pretend he's the one who's out of step? No, it's the United States, you know, it's the CDC that's out of step with where the world is on this. But I do think, I mean, you're right, the story of the lockdowns, how much of it was panic? How much of it was this sort of concerted effort to see if we could push boundaries and try something new here. How much of it was just having the ability that, you know, these rich technology workers could all

Starting point is 00:54:12 work from home and get food delivered and they just didn't care anymore. Look, I was not one of those people. I wanted to be out and not only wanted, I didn't you know i remember lining up at a walmart at 6am uh uh you know in like early april of 2020 and thinking like is this really how we're gonna live but you know there were people who who weren't lining up at walmart's who were getting their food delivered who were perfectly happy to lock down forever strange. Social isolation is so destructive for human beings. It's absolutely the worst. Why do you think we don't know what happened to DeMar Hamlin yet? Do you have a theory about that? I mean, you know, I think once again, people don't want it. It's really funny you mentioned it because I was just saying we're coming up on three months. I think it was January 3rd. And, you know, look, the NFL, I mean, you know, they

Starting point is 00:55:10 have protocols for concussion that are, you know, pages and pages long that people have been fighting about for years. This is a guy who practically dropped dead. Thank God, you know, they revived him, but he practically dropped dead on the field and nobody seems to have a question about it. And, you know, I have to say these, the vaccine companies are so lucky in their enemies because you get people like this idiot, Stu Peters, and these other, you know, sort of super right-wing crazies who go on about how the Mar Hamlin actually died. And it's a body double and the tattoos don't match. That's ridiculous. I'm serious.

Starting point is 00:55:46 So those people, unfortunately, Dr. Drew, their stink wafts over to me and to you and to people who are trying to ask serious questions about this. And there is a serious question about what happened to him and more importantly why there's been no real discussion of it since then but because you know it's like oh the anti-vaxxers say damar hamlin got killed and actually is no i'm not saying that at all i'm saying he did he did have some serious cardiac event in front of you know tens of millions of people and no one has talked about it. And let's say it was due to COVID, some sort of post-COVID phenomenon. What do we do to screen the other players for it or other child athletes or college football athletes? This is an extreme, if this is something related to this infectious disease,

Starting point is 00:56:43 we need to, it's an emergency before we allow people out there to play tackle football again, or even bat. I mean, what are we doing? And if it's from something else, if it's vaccine or COVID plus vaccine, how do you screen for that? And how are we going to make sure it doesn't happen to somebody else as opposed to a veil of silence? That is just shocking to me.

Starting point is 00:57:01 Yep. Totally. I mean, I don't know if you remember, but when it was, you know, in the summer of 2020, there was this theory based on a terrible study, I think out of the University of Michigan. There may have been two, there may have been one in the US and one in Germany that seemed to show that, you know, post COVID, even healthy athletes were having all this heart trouble. It was completely bogus, the study. And then there was this one guy, I think he was a Boston Red Sox reliever

Starting point is 00:57:30 who got myocarditis or had some heart issue following COVID. And it didn't even last that long. But as a result, there was discussion of the NFL can't play, college football is going to have to cancel its seasons. There were predictions that, you know, any number of college athletes will drop dead if we force them to play. None of it was true. You know, COVID's risks to healthy athletes are, you know, very, very, very low. And yes, maybe you can have an idiosyncratic case of myocarditis, but it's, you know, it's extraordinarily rare and it's, you, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

Starting point is 00:58:06 very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,, you know, not just tomorrow, but, you know, there have been cases of high school athletes who died. And obviously that can happen.

Starting point is 00:58:29 It happened in the pre-COVID, the pre-vaccine era too. But it is just, it's not, we're not allowed to discuss it. Every NFL team has an MRI. You can screen for myocarditis with MRI. I mean, it's a little, there's a lot of false positives. So it's going to end up with a bunch of people not playing who would otherwise, you know, maybe not be, need to be pulled out. But shouldn't we at least be talking about screening everyone with MR?

Starting point is 00:58:56 I don't know. Well, I mean, and you know, and let's, let's, why aren't they trying to elucidate the mechanisms by which the mRNAs can cause myocarditis, right? So is it, is it is it the spike you know is your body continuing to produce a spike or is it some kind of autoimmune reaction or is it you know maybe just something you know there's been this theory that if you were improperly injected you know somehow you got you got the vaccine in your capillaries it wound up in blood, it wasn't localized in the muscle cells around, you know, of the deltoid. Let's figure out the answer

Starting point is 00:59:28 instead of pretending the problem isn't real. There's another theory flying around lately, which is that the volume of vaccine being produced is creating a sort of abnormal distribution of the lipid nanoparticles. And so some are getting big doses, some are getting small doses, and that might have something to do with it. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:59:51 Which is my patch. I've never really – I haven't really looked at that at all. It strikes me as extremely unlikely given the manufacturing processes here. But honestly, I don't know enough to know whether that's at all plausible. Well, I can only say that I've spoken to a manufacturing expert is here but but honestly i i don't know enough to know whether that's at all plausible well i i can only say that i've spoken to a manufacturing expert who pointed out some of the very very serious flaws in the manufacturing standards and the lack of standards which are being held because of the emergency use authorization now i have known nothing about this i'm just

Starting point is 01:00:21 talking to people listening to people but she was very compelling very compelling and she was definitely concerned about the manufacturing practices uh i mean right the correct answer to all of this is we're gonna look at it right not it's not real if you talk about it right right we're gonna we're gonna look at we should examine these things we examine excess dust examine where the virus go uh, the lipid nanoparticles go, examine the causes of myocarditis. We'll talk about what could happen to an NFL player and what happened to tomorrow. I mean, the fact that, look, this, this is the one that I want to talk a little about cannabis after this really quickly, but the one thing that I don't understand why people are not outraged by, they should be just beside themselves,

Starting point is 01:01:05 that the government and particularly in collusion with the tech have taken the position of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, which was a character that was pointed at as an extreme excess of governments and the overreach and the ridiculous conservatism. You can't handle the truth and that now has become a standard of operation that's right no i mean he's a villain in that movie right he winds up in jail um uh you're you're absolutely correct i mean my my theory on this you know is again going back to psychology is look people know they can't be unvaccinated they did it most um you know willingly or not and they don't want to think about it and and again the problems if if people were dropping dead by the boatload the you know even if we didn't want to talk about it right so it's this it's this like it's this like, it's like this, again, eight to 15%, mostly older people.

Starting point is 01:02:05 It's something that, that is, that is demographically complicated enough that it's arguable. And so people like me, I'm, you know, I'm stuck. I'm not going to stop arguing or, you know, or talking about this or trying to report it because I think it's important. And because I think, you know, hopefully I can get a few people to listen if I present facts, but most people just don't want to think about COVID anymore. And that includes the vaccines, I think. And it must include the government, too, because they seem to just want to push it all away.

Starting point is 01:02:37 So and it's again, if they're going to stop mandating and pushing and then, OK, then don't go forget about it. But as long as they're pushing so hard, it like explain it to me explain the push but um one thing i've noticed about your writing is that stuff that you write that you were condemned for has an uncanny way of being true uh being proven to be true i should say and your cannabis book was one of those things um my daughter's got about 18 months of cannabis sobriety now. And she, I had your book. I owe her an email, by the way. I owe her an email.

Starting point is 01:03:10 Okay, good. She was very, I mean, like over the moon impressed. And why didn't you tell me was her sort of rejoinder to me. And I was like, of course I told you. I told you over and over and over again. I had the book lying out forever. You didn't want to hear it. People still don't want to hear it. Adam was pointing out to me today, in California,

Starting point is 01:03:31 if a parent finds out that his high school student is smoking, he said, look, if you took a bunch of high school parents in California, so would you rather your kids smoke pot or cigarettes? In California, they'd say pot. Would you rather your kids vape or smoke pot they'd say pot and and vaping is harmless and that's the that's the job we've done with uh with this product yes um and you know unfortunately the evidence is only piling up more and more more evidence of the cardiac and cardiovascular dangers um another study now admittedly it was in monkeys but another study that literally just came out showing, you know, real decreases in sperm count and, you know, generally, you know, sort of the lower levels of testosterone in male monkeys given,

Starting point is 01:04:16 you know, pretty reasonable doses of THC and epigenetic evidence, you know, evidence of changes, you know, in the sperm that were, you know, in areas, you know, evidence of changes, you know, in the sperm that were, you know, in areas, you know, related to sort of brain development. So, you know, even before conception, you know, there's evidence that cannabis can cause sort of harmful changes in the brain. And so, you know, I don't know. I mean, I do think that things are starting to change in terms of parents. I think a lot of parents have seen that this is not helpful for their kids. I think, unfortunately, the flip side of that is that the high-potency THC stuff is just so addictive. It's so hard to stop using once you start.

Starting point is 01:04:59 It's a lot different. It's different, right? So there's a generation of kids now who may even want to stop some of them and are going to have a very hard time doing it yeah how do you maintain your uh enthusiasm when you hit such headwinds with truth how do you how do you keep doing it i i mean you know I look I just figure first of all I have a there's a group of people who are interested in hearing what I have to say and you know when people say bad things about me look if you want to say you got the study wrong or you you know you really screwed up with that Singapore thing and still verse or you were so dumb three years ago when you said you know that

Starting point is 01:05:42 that the T cell cross immunity was going to be a real big thing. Like, okay, fine. I was dumb. I was wrong. And if I'm wrong too many times, people are going to stop listening to me. But when you say, you know what, you're a grifter, you don't care whether black people are in jail, that's what it's all about for you. You really don't care if old people die. You're just a ghoul and a psychopath and this and psychopath. You know what? That stuff in some ways is fuel for me because it's not true. You know, I'm doing my best. And if you don't like what I have to say, argue with me on the facts, but don't say, you know, or you want to say my tone is sometimes nasty or, you know, or I'm overly sarcastic. Fine. But you know what? Like, I'm just trying to,

Starting point is 01:06:24 I'm just trying to say what i think is right and stick to the truth and i'm going to keep doing it and it really doesn't matter what these people say about me yeah we've got to return to the argument rather than the personal attacks it's just it's just ridiculous it's just ridiculous got to figure out what we agree and disagree upon and discuss it argue about it i i I don't know why or what group has taken us so far off the rail, but well, listen, what else do you want people to know before I let you go? It's always a pleasure to chat. You know, unreported truths is the sub stack. Pandemia is the book. Hopefully there will be another book soon. One of the funny things about people calling me a grifter is the sub stack is basically free.

Starting point is 01:07:13 You can sign up and you can pay $6 a month or $60 a year, but I always tell people this, you're basically going to get the same product. Some stories you might get a day or two earlier if you pay, but almost everything else, you're going to be able to read everything within a couple of days. So if you don't want to pay, don't pay. But I just want you to read it. The vocabulary of social media moves from one favorite word to the other. It went from grim to then it went to grifter.

Starting point is 01:07:48 No, quack. Grim, quack, grifter, shill. Those are their favorite words. And thank you for expanding my wife's vocabulary. Clown. Clown. You know the new one. What's the new one? The new one, I mean, this doesn't get used against us so much as authoritarian, right? So Ron DeSantis, who kept his state open, who didn't insist that you stay home, is somehow an authoritarian.

Starting point is 01:08:16 Look, you don't have to agree. He may play to the crowd sometimes. And some of the stuff with Disney or whatever may be sort of silly. But an authoritarian, he's the one who said, go out and live your life, right? So I, you know, so then the other big thing that's on my agenda, really, and it will be soon, I've been promising this for a while, but it's going to happen. It's not going to happen in the next couple of days, only because, you know, I don't want to file this thing. I'm hoping somebody might actually write about it, although they probably won't. You know, certainly the Twitter lawsuit got very little attention, but I'm hoping that my effort to hold the federal government accountable and stand up for the First Amendment might get some attention.

Starting point is 01:08:54 There was an earlier lawsuit against Trump called Knight Institute v. Trump about social media banning, where Trump blocked people from his accounts, and that got tons of attention. This lawsuit, I think in some ways is, I mean, it's like that only stronger. So we'll see, but I am going to file that. And it is hopefully, look, all I can do is hope that, you know, it's going to be the second circuit. That's a, you know, that's New York.

Starting point is 01:09:17 That's a blue state, but I'm going to hope that they take, you know, my claim seriously and that the case moves forward. So that's going to be a you know a big deal at least to me when it happens that'll be very i can't wait to hear how that goes i i were you surprised how much twitter was uh manipulating things or was that was that what you expected i was i mean i knew about the banning i was sort of surprised about the number of levels the levers that they had that you couldn't see,

Starting point is 01:09:45 the various shadow bans that they could sort of prevent your stuff from being promoted. Or, you know, they had essentially four or five levels that they could do secretly. You know, there was just sort of this handful of senior people at Twitter who could do, you know, they could apply these things to you or then they could take them away. And so that, you know, that could, they could apply these things to you, or then they could take them away. And so that, you know, that did surprise me. I mean, we all knew that the companies were under enormous scrutiny and pressure from the federal government during COVID. And, you know, I think, I don't think, you know, I think the Biden administration in its heart of hearts would like to continue to do that. I think that they, they i mean one of the great ironies here is that i i'm fighting the federal government okay and pfizer and you know and and the media

Starting point is 01:10:30 like i'm one i'm one idiot on twitter with a few hundred thousand people and yet i'm like the powerful voice that needs to be suppressed me and i hate you know and robert kennedy whoever else it's it's absurd if you can't make your case when you're advertising on every television show in the country for six months, if you can't make your case about vaccines because of me, then the problem is not me. It's the vaccines. There you go.

Starting point is 01:10:59 Well, Alex, there we go. It does feel powerful. Hopefully we'll see you in person one of these days out here. Where do you live? Are you allowed to say where you live? I live in the beautiful Hudson Valley of New York. But no, I'm going to get out to California and I'm going to crash the studio. All right.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Or you can crash our studio in New York. Yeah, we do some stuff in New York too. If you're in the city, let us know. So we'll do something there. All right. All right. Anytime. Perfect. I don't know how it'll look, but we'll do our best. It'll look better than this.

Starting point is 01:11:32 See you soon. All right. Thanks, guys. Susan, do you want me to take any calls or anything before I sign out? It's up to you. Caleb, do you have baby duty? I see a couple hands up i need to get you really quickly yes i have three minutes a lot of energy okay lida or lida at least take one call

Starting point is 01:11:56 she's connecting thank you all for being out there on Twitter spaces. Again, if you come up, you're going on multiple platforms. Yes, hi. Hi. Okay. I'm super excited. Okay. Well, not really. That's really sad. But I was wondering, do you think there's any mechanism in the vaccine that would cause a placental abruption?

Starting point is 01:12:22 Not that I'm aware of you know the doctor okay dr ryan cole is you know concerned about accumulation of spike in placenta we had vicky male in here the other day who gave us no data to suggest her data was good i mean i don't understand why it was as good as it was given other things i've seen but again nothing to sort of implicate it there. And placenta abruption, you know, that happens. It just, it's not a rare thing. Right. This is why I asked. So like, I had a daughter in June of 2021, and my daughter's father also was expecting a niece that July. So she's about four months behind my daughter. And when the mother got vaccinated, she did it at 30 weeks. And by the 34th week, her placenta had completely stopped growing.

Starting point is 01:13:15 And her daughter who was in the 40th percentile at the previous ultrasound was now in the fourth percentile. And then within five days days of that her placenta ruptured and and i was just trying to understand what a placental abruption was it's just i was looking on tiktok and there are so many third trimester placental abruptions in the last few years so that's why that's always it's always been always okay yeah there's there's placenta that it's it slings over the cervix and there's placenta that pulls away from the uterine wall. That's the abruption. And it's a pretty common thing. And intrauterine growth retardation is a pretty common thing. Though some people are saying now it's more common and then you have other people saying it's not. So pregnancy is one of the areas for me. I'm still looking carefully at the literature because I don't quite get it.

Starting point is 01:14:09 I don't quite get why there's such disparity in what people are experiencing there. And you have guys like Dr. Thorpe who are saying that, oh, I've seen horrible things on a daily basis. And you have people like, as I said, like Vicki Mayle who are singing the virtues of all this, but making it seem like COVID is really seriously problematic for pregnant women, which also doesn't fit what I've been seeing. So, yeah, it's very, very difficult to sort this stuff out. All right, so coming up. I was reading now the WHO, H-W-O.

Starting point is 01:14:37 World Health Organization, yes. Wants women to get it in the third trimester so that the baby will have the COVID vaccine antibodies when they're born and that the infants should be vaccinated. And I refuse to believe that's okay. Like I, that's just me in my heart, but that's what they're saying. Again, babies get COVID, but do they get, is it that big a problem? I guess it is. Okay, so we live in a world where people are convinced the vaccine is harm, like completely harmless. And that just doesn't fit what I've been seeing. If I were convinced of that, I'd go with that. I understand COVID is, you know, occasionally nasty.

Starting point is 01:15:19 But so unusually so. But also, who runs the HWO? Look, I don't want to try to second guess what's going on there. But the New England Journal of Medicine had an article out yesterday that was talking about incidents of cardiovascular events and pulmonary emboli in post-vaccinated patients. And they had about 300,000 vaccinated patients. incidence of these various problems, particularly pulmonary emboli, was rather, frankly, remarkably high, but still quite rare, given that it was like 300 or 400 out of 300,000 kind of situation. The total was probably 1,000 events, again, out of 300,000. But that's, again, it's hard for me to get the epidemiology right on that. They're claiming that the odds ratio of that is not that different than the average person.

Starting point is 01:16:06 So did they age adjust for that properly? Again, that's a lot of pulmonary embolism, a lot of heart attacks, more so than I would think in a young population, but they didn't age adjust. So I'm still a little confused by that data. All right. Didn't they also say that the vaccine didn't cross the placenta at one point there was things like that yeah but now they're like oh it's good for the baby like yeah and it's confusing well that is that

Starting point is 01:16:36 we'll say that's not because the vaccine crosses might Might that be? No, they said get the vaccine in the third trimester because the baby will have. I understand, but that's the spike protein, maybe not the vaccine. Maybe the mother's producing spike protein that crosses. So, I mean, it's probably what's happening, not the liquid. Isn't the spike protein what you don't want? Well, that's the question. That's the question. Aren't we talking about that with our.

Starting point is 01:17:04 Okay. So let's talk about what's coming up aren't we talking about that with our okay so uh let's talk about what's coming up next and who's coming up next week uh can we see that up there caleb i'll let you go do your baby duty you're four minutes late he's getting grumpy so i mean gets on april 4th william mackis with kelly victor on april 5th jim. Jimmy Dore on April 6th. Robert. You got it. Jimmy Dore. Everybody on Rumble is like, please, please, please. Asimil Hatra coming in with Dr. Victor on April 25th.

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