Ask Dr. Drew - Andrew Yang: Kamala Harris Says She’s Running for President In 2028 + Dr. Kelly Victory on Dr. Anthony Fauci’s COVID Diary Revelations w/ Tom Renz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 649

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

“Well, this might be unwelcome news,” writes Andrew Yang, “but Kamala Harris is telling people in California that she is running for President again.” Yang, an entrepreneur who ran for President in 2020 as a Democrat, says his sources tell him Kamala’s team is quietly laying groundwork for her to run in the next election – and why the DNC announcing that South Carolina “would be the first primary state in the 2028 Democratic primary” is a clue. “She showed up to a political event last weekend that was a pretty clear step in that direction,” says Yang. “As you might be able to tell, I think this whole thing is a disaster.” Andrew Yang joins Dr. Drew to discuss the next big Presidential election, AI’s impact on jobs, and why he still champions UBI after famously proposing the Freedom Dividend to grant $1,000 per month to every American adult. Dr. Drew and Andrew also speak about their experience after competing together on FOX’s new reality show Nation’s Dumbest. Attorney Tom Renz returns to speak about a “betrayal” of MAHA after the CDC “gave Pfizer $1.24 billion for mRNA COVID vaccines including jabs for kids.” Dr. Kelly Victory reports on explosive new details from Dr. Anthony Fauci’s COVID-19 diaries, recently released by Sen. Rand Paul in advance of Dr. Fauci’s congressional hearing on July 29, 2026. 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • CHAPTER - For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial [phone] to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://askchapter.org/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Three great guests today. My friend Andrew Yang starts us off. He's, of course, a friend of mine from America's dumbest. He and I, our nation's dumbest on Fox. We'll talk about that. He proposed the freedom dividend, $1,000 a month for every American. He says that Kamala Harris is quietly preparing to run for president, which he calls, well, I'll let him speak for himself on that one.

And he has a lot to say about AI and its effect on jobs. I'm very interested in talking to him about that. Then our friend Tom Renz returns. He is not happy. He's saying that the CDC and that Pfizer $1.24 billion for the RNA COVID vaccines. Follow him on X at Rends Tom. And then finally, Dr. Kelly Victory makes a command performance here with us to talk about the upcoming COVID diaries. Senator Ron Paul in advance of Dr. Fauci's congressional hearing,

release the so-called Fauci Diaries. More with all three after that. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a shit. Where the hell you think I learned that?

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop, and you went. help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

Andrew Yang is both an entrepreneur and a former 2020 Democratic candidate. He is an author. He is the CEO of Noble Mobile, and I'll have him tell you about that, which it seems like an extraordinary opportunity for those of us getting taken to the cleaners by our various cellular carriers. His bestseller was the war on normal people, and I am reading most the way through his book, Hey, Yang, where's my thousand bucks? Hey, Yang. Thank you for joining me. Drew, thanks for having me. Look at this. We're not trapped in a high school set in a fake gym. Trying to avoid making dumbasses of ourselves. So it's great to be out here in the free world with you. It's so funny, Andrew, when I was watching the last week's episode, it's a

A Fox reality show, Fox, you know, think the Fox network that airs the Simpsons. And it's 9 o'clock on Wednesdays and it airs on Hulu. And when I was watching myself last week, where I got out, I was, I remember thinking to myself that day going, oh, crap, I could be here a long, I could never get out of here. This is, if the, if the luck, the cards go just so, I'm going to stay. You know, it's a lot of luck involved in that game. Yeah, and it's a really tough pill to swallow when you're close to getting out in a particular day, and then it doesn't go for you. And then you're like, I'm going to come back tomorrow and do this again.

And I don't know how many more days it's going to be like this. So kudos to you. Anyone who watched the show, Dr. Drew, Freeman, Not the Nation's Dumbest, whether I join him or not, you'll have to tune in to find out. Exactly. But it was a really positive experience all around. And I still owe you and are you in LA now? Are you in New York still?

I'm in L.A. still happily being a good helicopter parent. Okay. I still owe you and Michael a dinner. We got to organize that. We're in New York right now. We're getting back. So we're going to travel a little more back in two weeks, essentially. Are you still there in two weeks?

Maybe we might just overlap. So, yeah, let's try and figure it out. All right. Let's figure it out. Let's figure that out. So, all right. So I enjoyed your book. And do me a favor before we get into the AI story and the presidential candidacy and the universal basic income, thumbnail your story for them because it is pretty extraordinary. Oh, well, thanks. I was an unhappy lawyer for five months and then a failed entrepreneur and then a nightclub promoter and then a less failed entrepreneur.

Well, the night club promoter dovetailed into the second entrepreneurial effort, right? Yes, it did. I ran an education company that grew to become number one in the U.S. and was bought by a public company in 2009. I was 34 at that time. But in my late 20s, I ran a promotion company called Ignition, NYC, where we convened hundreds of 20-something-year-old. to drink their sorrows away.

This was back when young people both drank and partied. And, you know, may that still happen. You know, if you're a young person watching this, you know, nothing wrong with socializing and getting out there with friends. It was really interesting to read that part of your story. You minimize a little bit your performance as the, or you were the CEO, I guess, ultimately of that educational company.

I'm guessing that was a pretty monumental effort. Well, we had a great team and like a really strong curriculum and offering. Our secret sauce, Drew, and some people will appreciate this, is that we paid better than others in the industry and so attracted the best teachers, the best talent. This was an industry where average turnover was 100% a year, so people would do this for 12 months and then peace out. And our turnover was something like four or five percent.

So you had better teachers who stuck around and then students would figure out, wait a minute, this company is actually much more serious about education and making us perform better. So we did that and grew. But thank you for saying so. I mean, I joke even now that that was the best time in my life professionally because it was a private company. and profitable and growing. And you just did what you thought what the right thing was for customers

and staff members. And you didn't have weird investors breathing down your neck. So it was a joy. Around that time, I met my now wife Evelyn too. And I think there's a theme there where if something is clicking for you professionally, then it's much easier to form the right relationships.

And it's also true. I think particularly if you're a man that if your professional life is in limbo, then it's hard to have something click romantically. Yes, yes. I'm going to put a little magnifying glass over that and say that men need to understand who they are in the world before they have something to offer somebody else.

That's really kind of what it boils down to. We don't know what we are, what our potential is, who we are until we are in the world. And that's how we then can engage in a relationship. But before I forget, I want to go back to the AI and then the universal basic income. But before I do, tell us about your current effort, which is Noble Mobile. Yeah, so I'm the magical Asian man from the future who wants to make Americans less broke,

ran for president on the Freedom dividend, $1,000 a month for everybody, which today would be a bit higher now that AI is here in force. But what Noble Mobile does is it lowers the average Americans phone bill from 83, which is what the average Americans paying now. I was paying Verizon over $100 a month. The average noble mobile user is spending $42 a month and using your screen, your smartphone, 17% less because any money you don't spend on data, we give half of it back to you at the end of the month. So imagine like rollover minutes, but instead it's money back to you.

And then we pay 5.5% interest on any money you save. So it becomes a set it and forget it. Savings plan that saving you money. money every month, but also saving this guy, saving your brain. I think it's one reason why Dr. Drew and others enjoy this company. So Noble mobile, it's off and running. And if you go to Noblemobile.com slash yang, give you three months for free, which will save the average American about $250. See, Yang, still working on it. Still trying to get money back in here. I know. I get it. I like it even better than just handing people dough. It's teaching people to save and then to put

put it in an interest-bearing account. I mean, that's really economics. And it's an efficiency, which is what I love. More just finding that efficiency, you get a piece of it, I get a piece of it. Great, let's go. And you said when you, I think you said when you were in Europe, your reception was better than everybody you were with. Yeah.

So on Verizon, they say, hey, you're in Spain. So we're going to charge you $10 a day on Travel Pass. It turns out that Verizon is spending $2 sticking you on. the foreign carrier. So in Noble mobile, we do the same thing, but we only charge you $5, and then we cap it at 10 days per billing cycle and don't charge you for the domestic data you don't use. So when I went to Europe on Verizon, I might owe $300 that month even more. And on Noble, I might owe $70 if I spend two weeks in Europe. So that's another way that Verizon and AT&T in particular are sticking it to you. And our reception, my reception genuinely

he was better. My wife got pissed off because I was the one ordering cars and whatnot. And she was like, you know, like on, I think she was on Verizon, not to, you know, beat them up too much. But Noble mobile, I got to say, like folks like Chelsea Handler and Scott Galloway, when they take it abroad, they're even more excited about it. Yeah, Susan, I don't if you're listening to this, but I don't want to tell you what our monthly payments are. But let's now talk about AI. What? Were you going to say something? No. what you saw coming with AI and why it's pertinent for the universal basic income idea? AI is going to eliminate millions of repetitive cognitive and repetitive manual jobs in the U.S.

44% of Americans jobs fall in one of those two categories. And right now it's hurting entry-level white-collar workers, otherwise known as recent college graduates, most directly. you're seeing the number of coders that are being hired out of school fall off a cliff. Customer service personnel also constricting fast. I'm friends who are partners at law firms who are saying, look, AI can do better work than a third-year associate much more quickly and cheaply. And now I don't have to spend all this time training some newbie at a law school that for a while is kind of a value sync.

So AI is here and unfortunately this whirlwind, this buzzsaw is just going to spin faster and faster. So we need to move to a different way to get value into people's hands, particularly because our data was used to form these large language models that are now empowering trillion-dollar enterprises. So the average American is going to see reduced job security and their kids coming home with nothing to do after college. And meanwhile, these companies are just going to grow and grow in both value and impact. So I wish I was wrong in 2020, but I got to say my stuff is aging a little bit too well. That's a little thought experiment as it pertains to the future. Elon Musk is saying that he's predicting that robots and AI are going to contribute so much

to the production of goods and services that we will no longer have issues of deflate, well, inflation because of excess of circulating cash, we're going to have an issue of excess goods and services and that deflation may actually be our problem and that, in fact, money itself may become inconsequential. What do you make of that prediction?

Am I afraid, do you understand that we're framing and I probably don't have to do as a good idea. I mean, you're essentially repeating exactly what he is saying. So right now, US GDP is, at $84,000 per person, give or take. And AI and robotics are going to increase that number up and up to well over $100,000 per person. So the question is twofold. Number one, how is that value actually distributed to the average worker or the average family

where they're chilling out at home and be like, okay. So that's one major, major issue to be addressed. And I'm going to dare say that that's going to be a front and center political question over this massive period. And then the second thing is, what is the timeline? Because Elon is very visionary. And so he's projecting forward to when the robots and AI are doing all this work. But then what happens in what, at least one economist is calling the messy middle. And that's what I think we should be focused on because that transitional period could

be extraordinarily difficult. And an AI executive said this to me, he said that AI is going to push people up or down a class, and most people don't take that well. And I think he's completely correct. Like most people get kind of accustomed to being in a particular socioeconomic class. So if I send you down a rung or two, that's not something that Americans will willingly accept. There are a lot of folks to them. It kind of seems like that's happening. It sort of feels like it's happening already, right? That's sort of what you were sort of zeroing in on. And this sort of weird thought I had as you were talking was, oh, my goodness, we're all going to become gentlemen farmers again. Well, that's one of the better outcomes, Drew.

The image I like to evoke is that we're building this incredible vortex that consists of AI capital data and processing power. And these four things are now converging into multi-trillion dollar enterprises that are going to hoover up value out of call centers and office parks and places where people used to get together to do their jobs. Right now, more money is being spent on building data centers in the U.S. than on commercial real estate. So I don't know if there is a clear illustration of the fact that the server is the new person or a human worker. And most people don't understand what a trillion dollars is or three trillion dollars. I mean, the amount of wealth that's being funneled into AI right now is beyond the comprehension of most Americans. One example I tried to use is that we might spend $300 billion on data centers this year, which is the equivalent of building multiple NFL stadiums in every state.

If you can imagine that. And that's the scale of what's happening right now. No, I get it. And my son is sort of in the middle of this in terms of the users and creators and stuff. And he saw this coming just as a young person. And I'm wondering how young people view this. You know, I think I think that's why a lot of them are feeling desperate. There's nothing in it for them. They can't quite see where it's going. And I wonder in addition to universal base of income if we should really be focused on some sort of, I hear a lot about tradesmanship. And I don't know, something where we can help. these young people thrive? Yeah, I'm all for skilled trades. I will say that people are not infinitely adjustable or adaptable. And so if you look at some of the recent narratives,

like the warehouse workers do not become nurses, the coal miners do not become coders, and the college graduates are not all going to become electricians, particularly because 60% of college graduates are women, and only 3% of electricians are women. So like saying to an army of college grads, hey, like go rewire the building is more a pipe dream than policy prescription. Really interesting. But folks like to embrace those ideas because they maintain the fiction that we're all going to be market compatible.

And what I try and explain to people, Drew, is that as a 50-year-old, if I don't get dumber in a given month, that's a good month. Meanwhile, AI might get twice as smart in the same time period. So expecting us to compete with AI is getting increasingly dumb, honestly. And so the quest, especially like you try and retrain someone. By the time the retraining is done, the goalposts have moved to like, you know, the next state. And so we have to actually start transferring some of this value that's being generated by AI to people and families quickly and directly in my view. and then have people actually engage in entrepreneurship to determine how we want to spend our time. And I think that's one version of the future that Elon's actually talking about is like,

hey, let's say AI and robots are able to do more work than we can currently imagine. What does that mean for human civilization and society? I'm telling you, this is your campaign rhetoric for next run. We just got to get Elon in there championing on your behalf. half. So that transition period is smooth. If he wants to get to that infinite goods and services department, we have to have that transition. But I see it so clearly, the multiple NFL stadiums, the class up or class down, and then the four siloed of things that are going to shift and change. I mean, that's so clear. I can't wait for the next run for pregnancy. I'm, uh, yeah. My last,

But last, what? No, for presidency. Okay, pregnancy, whatever. But speaking, last thing about presidency, I heard you were a little concerned about Kamala Harris running. Yeah, I heard from a couple of people in California that she's running again. And I think that's a mistake on multiple levels. You know, I ran alongside.

Is it you going to run? It's announcing here now. Yeah. You know, you'll be among the first to know for sure, Drew. but, you know, it's something that we're considering in part because so many of the things I ran on in 2020 are with us right now. Kamala and I ran in the same primary in 2020. And she dropped out before the voting started. It did not go well for her.

She got elevated because Jim Clyburn pushed Joe Biden to make her Joe's running mate. And then she lost clean in 24. So expecting things to be different in 28 strikes me as folly. I think that she may run again in part because her own personal incentives make it so that she'll remain more relevant and vital. And now with South Carolina as the first primary state, she probably wins that state because 86-year-old Jim Clyburn is there telling his people, hey, we're going to boost Kamala. It's one reason why I think the DNC's recent decision to make South Carolina first is a disaster in the making. I can't believe that they're reliving their mistakes over and over again or repeating them because we saw this in 2020 and 24, particularly in 24 when Joe Biden managed to squelch a competitive

primary and then anoint Kamala as his successor without a real process. Andrew, always a pleasure to talk to you. I've got to take a break here. But let's set that dinner in two weeks. and you'll come back here when you announce your presidential run. Nation's dumbest or not, Drew, it's a real pleasure connecting. And it's great to be out in the real world with you. You tune in, Fox, whatever your local affiliate number is or simple listen.

Next day on watch, next day on Hulu. It's Wednesdays at 9 o'clock. I think in all time zones, except Central might be 8. Andrew, talk to you soon. Thanks, Drew. Next up, Tom Rends. If there was ever time to be rationally ready, it is now. I urge you to consider getting one of the emergency kits from the wellness company.

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Why would I screw myself? What am I? Dr. Drew? We're going to get Tom Rends back and talk a little maha betrayal. You can follow Tom. Let me see where the specifics are. Tomrens.com.

Also Rens, Rens Z, Tom, on X and Tomrenz. com. Tom, welcome back. Glad to be here, Doc, how you doing, sir? Good. So what has, given that you're just an old-fashioned, local country attorney who doesn't know too much,

I'm going to sail that up front so you don't say it. And what has got you today? What are you looking at? Well, you know, being a guy just living in rural Ohio, I'm looking around and I had. You can't resist. I can't help it, Doc. You know, we got to be honest about who we are in this world, right? I heard you say with Yang there that, you know, you got to accept who you are in this world and know your direction.

So, yeah, I'm some guy that's just kind of looking at things. And, you know, we spent, you know, four years of the Biden administration fighting like heck for health, freedom, for transparency for truth. We see the Trump administration coming in. We see Donald Trump running. And I fought hard behind the scenes. I said, listen, guys, we need Bobby involved. We need Maha involved. If you don't win it, if you don't bring it in, you're not going to win this election.

Lo and behold, we bring Bobby in. And Bobby, according to internal numbers, brings nine million votes to the presidential election, right? That's the difference between President Trump and Kamala Harris, right? So Bobby delivers the way. We were big, we just full disclosures. I mean, we were big Bobby. I did throw in on Bobby. She, Susan threw in early.

And it was a good experience. It was really nice supporting him. He was saying some very inspiring things. He continues to. But what happened once he gets in? Well, you know, I supported Bobby. And I supported him. In the presidential run,

I felt that Bobby had to run with Trump to get anywhere. But, you know, I got to be honest with you. I'm more than a little disappointed. So Donald Trump gets in. And they immediately, marginalized and tokenized Bobby. I mean, no greater example can be given than glyphosate, right? Bobby, I mean, he led, he fought this glyphosate, just this horrible, horrible product that

causes cancer. It's been proven in case after case to cause cancer. It's a known carcinogen. We know that Monsanto ghost wrote the paper that got this stuff approved. I mean, over and over again, we've seen this, but yet this administration issues an executive order to protect glyphosate and then goes to the Supreme Court and argues that glyphosate should be given what amounts to effective illegal immunity in the courts because essentially what they did in the Supreme Court was they argued that the main cause of action used to go after the glyphosate

manufacturer should no longer be available. It's federally preempted. So from beginning to end, we've seen what some of the most core principles that Bobby stands for, the guy who helped bring President Trump into being betrayed. I find this appalling, and I find this an absolute betrayal to what we fought so hard for over the four years of the Biden administration. Let me stop you. Let me stop you.

And I know a lot of people are feeling this way. You're certainly not alone. And I don't know. I'm looking carefully at, you know, where the, you know, where the, essentially the barb wire is that's encircling him. I imagine, I'd sort of imagine it that way. I talked to him personally, Bobby, probably six months after he took office. And I thought he was going to tell me that it was a terrible experience.

He can't get anything done. He's encircled by monster. Exactly what you'd imagine based on some of the concerns you're raising here. And what he told me was something quite different. He said, this is the greatest job I've ever had. I've prayed to God for years to give me an opportunity like this. I'm going to make a difference. This is the most wonderful job I've ever had and the biggest opportunity to make change.

And I thought, oh, well, huh, it looks different. We don't really know for sure what he's facing. And we don't really know what he has to weigh out, you know, when he makes decisions and decide he's going to go after one thing. he may have to sort of force trade in another area. It is after all politics. So what do we make of that? Listen, I'm not going to speak for Bobby, not in any way, shape, or form. But, you know, we've got our mutual friend, Kelly Victory, who I think is probably

joined you next. You know, I mean, she was right there for Surgeon General. Would have been one of the best Surgeon Generals in American history. Would have to have her, but she's honest about MRNA. She's truthful about it. You know, she was one of the fighters, one of the warriors. Let's say that's it. Let's say, let's say your hypothesis here is correct that he doesn't want to offend that group.

We don't know what he might be trading for that, you know. I want to trust him that he's making good decisions. Am I being foolish or is it, you know, is politics so egregious now that nobody, even the most, you know, the highest quality guy can't get anything done? Well, let me be clear. I trust him to support Bobby. I don't think Bobby's changed. I think he's still fighting for what he can do. And, you know, I mean, I don't think he could say this even if it was true. My hypothesis is that, you know, Bobby is able to do more good being there than if he wasn't. And if he wasn't there, what would we have? Well, we look at the other appointees that have came out and it's been person after person after person who supports everything that is not Maha and everything that is status quo. So I think that Bobby has to be there to protect his principles and to fight for what he can do. And so I appreciate him. I appreciate truly that he's got the courage to do that. But at the end of the day, the administration overall, I mean, let's take the psilocybin executive order that just came out, right?

Over and over again, I see this. And I can go to the gain of function executive order as well. So they make a big deal about psilocybin as though this is being done to help promote truly curative. solutions and they want to really look into kind of these natural treatments, you know, the magic mushroom stuff, right? Well, here's the deal. That executive order doesn't actually give any small business or any scientist access to anything. The way it's written, the only thing that's happening is big pharma, particularly Eli Lilly, who bought a bunch of intellectual property in this space and came up with a synthetic version of psilocybin, can sell their new drug. It's not something

where we're actually looking at alternative treatments and giving some sort of a boost to them, it's double-speak. It's always double-speak in every single time it ends up benefiting big pharma. Same with the gain of function. There is a big deal about this gain of function. You know, the gain of function that resulted in us dealing with this COVID debacle, right? So we see this executive order coming out on gain of function. But if you read carefully what that executive order did, it brought it back onshore into the United States and then enshrined it in the law. It was in a gray area of the law, but Trump says, hey, we need to create regulations on it. Well, when you create regulations on it, there's no more gray area.

You're saying you can do it if you do it this way. So over and over and over again, Maha is being betrayed despite the fact that according to Donald Trump's internal polling that they tried to cover up, 90% plus of America thinks that Big Pharma has too much influence in Washington. And then I know you've been very concerned about this over billion dollars being given for M RNA vaccines. Let me just turn over my cards before your answer, which is I do believe that MRA vaccines will have some utility for cancer treatment in desperate situation. That shouldn't be a billion dollars to study that.

So something else is going on. Well, this particular billion that I was fussing about wasn't anything to do with that. This was another $1.24 billion for COVID vaccines, and it was appropriated. It wasn't handed, but trust me, if Pfizer can find a way to spend the money, they will. For COVID vaccines, including vaccines for children. Now, Doc, at this point, you and I both know, it's inarguable. There is literally no benefit whatsoever for a healthy child to get a COVID vaccine, but it does put them at risk, myocarditis, all these different things that we're finding now.

I'm still very strongly of the belief that you're going to eventually get to the point where when I come on here, you and I are going to agree that there is causality between these turbocancers and the mRNA vaccines. We're seeing that science develop more and more. There's a ton of risk. And Doc, I would ask you this, right? Just some guy that doesn't understand this like a doctor does. But if you've got an intervention, an intervention that provides absolutely no benefit, but puts a child's health and life at risk. And yet you continue pursuing forced vaccination through childhood vaccine schedules

and pushing this in every way you can. How is risking a child's life for 20 bucks a shot, not just the definition of evil? Listen, Tom, I feel the same way about what we forced 19 to 24-year-old males to do to be able to go attend college. not only was there a zero benefit, there was clear adverse effect, clear. And the Fauci files showed that they were discussing this way early on. And yet allowed these mandates.

And at the core of that and the reason they can get away with it without any liability is DARPA. Right? Oh, of course. And so if we could get rid of that sort of dealt with, I mean, things would get a lot. But see, it's so complicated, Tom. I'm beginning to feel like there's no evil person here. is just human foibles and a horrible bureaucratic system. Well, I think there's a lot of evil people.

I don't think the whole system is evil, and I think there is a lot of misunderstanding in there. I called that human foibles, you know, everyone has their own sort of whatever. You know what I mean? I mean, Fauci is being turned on by being on TV and stuff, that adulterated him. Rochelle Walensky, the people above her adulterated her.

The people are getting adulterated by all kinds of things and not using their judgment. That's human. But the system, something is sick. Something is wrong. Well, it is. And I mean, just if the MRNA for kids isn't bad enough, how about using the same delivery mechanism?

You know, we still have the same delivery mechanism, but now we have Moderna RNA flu shots that they are going to force on our soldiers because they've also removed the soldier's ability to say no to MRI, well, to flu shots in general. And that's even despite the fact that we had the Cleveland Clinic studies that showed that the flu shots actually ended up with people getting more people getting the flu than didn't. You know, this is every step of the way what we're doing is promoting big business, big pharma interests at the expense of the health of the American people. Please take aim at DARPA because if we could undo that magically when people have liability, magically they won't be so prone to behave this way.

Tom, I'm on a tight schedule today. It is always a privilege to talk to you. Keep up the great work. Where do you want people to go to find you? Tomrens.com. Follow me on Twitter. We're getting a little bit of limitation and reach there. I love Elon what he does in terms of, you know, freeing us up.

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Thanks, Tom. Rens Tom is on X and we'll talk again soon. Dr. Kelly Victory up next. Hey, Dr. Drew here, and we are interested in health and longevity. And the longevity nutrient is Fatty 15, discovered amazingly by a veterinarian who was responsible for the Navy's fleet of dolphins. Turns out dolphins are healthier when they have adequate amounts of pentadecan acanoic acid, which is C-15. It also, for us, it helps humans as well, reduces the oxidative

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My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333-D-R-D-R-A-W. She needs a introduction on this show, but you can follow her on X at DR Kelly Victory, Kelly with a Y, and also the booking toxic shot facing the dangers of the COVID vaccine. Kelly, thank you for being here on the eve of the Fauci, testimony. Absolutely. And thank you. I did not, by the way, full disclosure, pay Tom Rends to say those nice things about me. But I am genuinely humbled for the coming from him. So thank you for that, Tom. Yeah. Tomorrow is the big day. I don't expect, I hate to say it, Drew, I don't expect that we are going to hear, you know, this is not going to be a Perry Mason moment where, you know, Anthony Fauci breaks down on the stand and confesses all of his.

evil doings. I suspect we're going to hear a lot of, you know, on the advice of counsel, I, you know, declined to answer the question or, or I have no independent relection or recollection or I don't recall whatever it is. That said, I do think what we're going to get if I know Rand Paul is we will at least get some swarm moments where Anthony Fauci is forced to read some of his diary entries in his own voice, read these just grotesque diary entries, that exposed him finally, once and for all, literally in black and white, for what he is, which is a man so enamored with his own celebrity, so obsessed with the limelight, that frankly it superseded anything that he might have been doing in public health. Yep, that is how I saw it, too.

That's what adulterated him. And I went deeper into the files today. And some of the work he was doing was good. I admired some of the work. And I thought, oh, yeah, this was who he was during the AIDS epidemic. But he became so adulterated. There was no social media. There was no cable TV back during AIDS.

He stayed within the confines of the medical profession and the CDC. And he was effective. But this adulterated him in some weird way. Yeah. And I will disagree with you a little bit. I was not enamored with him back during HIV because I think he, He tried out. He sort of got his feet wet on some of what he did during COVID, which is number one, using irrational fear.

Anthony Fauci, who may not remember, was responsible for telling people that HIV, that AIDS could be passed through fairly casual contact, rather than really up to the fear factor. He was responsible largely for foisting AZT on tens of thousands of young, you know, gay HIV. positive men and resulted in their untimely deaths. So what you are absolutely correct about is he didn't have the limelight because social media was pretty much non-existent back in the 80s. So fast forward, you take this person who I fundamentally believe is a narcissistic sociopath and you give him the ability. Yeah.

Oh, was that too harsh? Yeah, sorry. You give him the ability to have, you know, the livelihood. These journal entries, these diary entries, he's not writing about struggling to find, you know, with the numbers of increasing numbers of COVID deaths. He's not writing about trying to find therapies, different therapeutics. He's not writing about how to mitigate learning losses or mental health issues or addiction issues as a result of the lockdown and school closures.

No, instead what he's writing about was, I was on five Sunday talk shows. You know, the Secret Service know me by name. You know, I have access to all of these people. I mean, it is on and on. It's self-adulation to the likes of which, frankly, I've never seen. Yeah, no, you know, I've seen it, Kelly, I've seen it from our peers before. I see it when they take care of celebrities, right? They get, oh, they get so excited.

You know, then they get manipulated and do stupid shit. And I've seen it before. People get in the media that are not used to being in the media. It's not, we need some sort of debriefing or coaching to make sure it doesn't happen to people. And some is just going to happen to no matter what. But I did see him wrangling, you know, you're right. He did not look at the downside at all. He did not look at the consequences of what he was discussing in terms of mitigation risks.

But I did see him kind of wrangling, you know, smart people and trying to get them all on the same page and sharing ideas. there was some good things happening, at least at the beginning of the pandemic. But it just got, it just went off the rails. Well, I think, you know, it's hard to see past, as I call it, to call these entries grotesque, I think, as being kind. But I think perhaps more importantly than the sociopathy they reflect is the fact is the dike drew between what Anthony Fauci was writing in his diary and what he was saying in public. In his diary, he writes that the mortality rate from COVID is somewhere between 0.2 to 0.3%. That same day, he goes on national television and says it's 3%, 10 times higher than he just wrote it as in his diary. You know what he said? It was even worse. He said,

ah, it's two and a half to three percent, maybe more like 1%, but probably two and a half percent. It's like, what? These are 150 percent differences. What are you talking about? And he wrote January of 2020, Drew, he writes, so we know the wet market wasn't where the virus came from. He writes that in his diary and then spends the next four years gaslighting those of us who actually said it didn't come from a wet market. That's the problem is what he did to people who had alternative opinions. That really is where things went crazy cuckoo. And yeah, he is, he is guilty of having done that stuff. But the other thing I jumped out of me that people aren't talking about, he was very interesting. in the globalist agenda early on. I don't know if you saw that. He was very enamored with China,

very enamored with the globalist ideas and giving this all to the World Health Organization. He had no understanding of who he was dealing with with the Chinese. Well, I guess, you know, you're giving him the benefit of doubt. You know, I'm thinking, if this is actually, you know, we are living the hunger games and you have an opportunity to become one of the elites. And that's kind of how it seems. He's writing in there, he writes multiple times about how he spoke at least every other week with Bill Gates. He's writing about with who he sees as the Hoy-P-Polloy. And so it makes me wonder, was he totally naive and doesn't know who the CCP is and doesn't know who he's, or is he saying, look, I have an opportunity

that maybe I can become one of this, you know, this class, this small group of people in the inner circle. And that's really how it reads to me. I'm going to interrupt you, Kelly. Caleb, Kelly broke up a little bit. Oh, now I'm glitching a little bit, too. Is it breaking up a little bit? No, it's good. You can keep going. Okay. Okay. It's China.

It's China. Exactly. China. See? See? We have a thing here on this show. As soon as we start talking about China, it starts glitching. So I'm just saying. But, you know, I do expect, I think that one of them, you know, I also, by the way, I've been really trying to be as objective as possible. And I've listened to a bunch more interviews that the press did of Fauci as some of the inconsistencies leaked out.

And I was delighted to see them asking real questions. Now, they let him get by with no real answers, but I was like, oh, Jake Tapper's asking some good questions. I appreciate that. I don't feel so, I don't know, so concerned about the press, so much, you know, just carrying water for this guy. Though when this is over tomorrow, if it is over tomorrow, I do expect them just to be carrying water for Anthony Fauci and what a hero he is in their minds. Well, it'll be interesting to see because I've watched people who I consider to be totally in the tank with him, people like Scott Gottlieb. And, you know, as you said, you know, Jake Tapper and all the people in the media. And they look a little bit like rats jumping from a sinking ship right now. I think they're trying very hard to go, no, really, I'm a credible journalist. I see I'm asking hard questions. So we'll, you know, right as they see that Anthony Fauci is about to be eviscerated by Rand Paul and others. So I don't know if it's, It's not just self, you know, preservation that they're going for. We'll see after this hearing is over.

I don't expect, you know, that you'll get a ton more from Anthony Fauci. At the best, I think you'll see some humiliation, you know, for him because, as I said, he'll have to read some of these things. But, you know, it's hard to really humiliate somebody who has no humility. You know, it's hard to, you know, this is a man, you know, who has. as, you know, hubris is his middle name. And that is really the mark of a sociopath. He's a narcissistic sociopath. And I don't expect that he will be truly held to account in the way that he should be meaning potentially how, you know, legal ramifications. That said, you know, I'm not a

lawyer. I'm not a constitutionalist. I don't know if it was questioned whether or not the auto pen pardon would hold up in court or not. You know, it's quite, everybody knows that, you know, Joe Biden didn't actually sign that thing. And I don't know how it's sort of preposterous that you can pardon somebody for, you know, this blanket sort of for everything you did in the past or everything you might do in the future, you know, I give you papal dispensation. I mean, it's kind of insane, right? But I don't, I don't think that, I don't think there will be legal accountability just personally.

Let me play for you a tape of some comments that Bobby Kennedy made recently. And in these comments, he brings up the apparent side effect that Fauci allegedly had that now is, I guess, been scrub from the diaries for some reason, which is a pulmonary infarction, which is from your point of view, it's like, yeah, guess what? That's what happens from this spike protein that you've loaded your body with. No, duh. But let's see what Bobby says here. I'll let you comment. He lied about mass. He lied about social distancing.

He lied about the transmission. He lied about natural immunity. He lied about the capacity, as you just said, of the vaccine to prevent infection, to prevent it. He got vaccinated a very, very public press conference in January of 2020. And then five months later, he had, and this, the first time that we knew this from the diary, He had a pulmonary infarction, which is one of the adverse events that NIH, CDC, and FDA said are expected from the vaccine. He never told anybody.

He got treated for it privately by the best doctors in America. At the same time, he was telling everybody that that was not an adverse event. And while they were exposing young males to myocarditis on top of that, but go ahead. Right. So apparently, and again, I didn't know about it either. knew about it, or at least the public didn't know about it, until the diaries were dropped by Rand Paul, that apparently Anthony Fauci had three pulmonary embolism. She had blood clots to his lung, which resulted in this infarct. So for lay people out there, what happens is he developed

blood clots to his lung, robbed that area of his lung of blood supply, and therefore it died off. That, you know, a section of his lung died. That's what an infarct is. Yeah, okay, there you go. So he had this, he showered some blood clots. Absolutely, everybody hopefully knows by now that that is one of the key negative side effects of the shots. Is this increased risk for clots? He didn't tell anybody. He got treated for it. It was put on eloquists, which is a blood thinner, an anticoagulant, on which I'm sure he is still on it.

The norm would be to be on it for a minimum of a year following a pulmonary ambulism. And possibly if they were able to determine where it came from, yeah. that he would, he would end up with a, a filter in. But in any event, he didn't share this with the public. Now, I'm not saying he is obligated to share his personal medical information with the public. He's not, you know, that, that's personal. That said, when it is pretty darn clear that this was the result, he is not somebody who's otherwise at risk for a pulmonary amyism and therefore infarct. He's not a smoker. He's not obese. You know, he's not sedentary, all of these things. So, you know, this was the result of the shot. He should have been forthcoming about it.

I think, given his position and the fact that he covered it up and wasn't, I think, is dishonest. Oh, yes. Very gravely concerning. And I'm equally as concerned about the fact that we can no longer find the documentation of this. My understanding is it got scrubbed out of the diaries, which is insane. Yes. And I'm guessing that they're going to claim this is personal medical information. And you don't have any business having it. That's going to be the claim. And I understand that that's going to be their claim. But it is pertinent as germane to the conversation when it is the direct result of something that you are mandating the rest of society participate in.

Yes. Oh, my goodness. This whole thing is so overwhelming to look at. It makes me, I always end up feeling sad by the time. And every time I go further down the road. with this because there were some good smart people trying to do good work. I wonder what Scott Atlas thinks about all this now. Have you talked to him recently? I have not, but I'll tell you, Scott Atlas clearly had President Trump's ear for a short bit, and he was fun. I think he was

a victim of subterfuge by Fauci and others in the same way that if you look at the people who penned the Great Barrington Declaration, you know, Jay Baratariah and Sunita Gupta and Martin Koldorf, these three brilliant scientists, and they were labeled as, quote, fringe epidemiologists. They were undermined. They were, you know, derided and sidelined. And that became, and here's a question that I think nobody, here's the real question, I think, to get it. As much as I want Anthony Fauci, that little troll to go down. Who's backing him up?

That kind of hubris drew, even though he's a sociopath, even though he's a narcissist. That kind of hubris, I believe, only comes when you know that you have Teflon, when you know you're protected. You know somebody's got your back. Anthony Fauci is working in consort with a cabal behind the scenes. Who's really the puppeteer? They let Anthony Fauci to believe he was. And for all intents and purposes, he appears to be the puppet master.

But there's someone above him. there's someone tinkling the strings above Anthony Fauci. Who is that? Is it Bundabird Group? Is it the George Soros, the Bill Gates? Who is it? Or is the World Health Organization? It's who Rosam Bar refers to them.

Rosam Barr calls them them. It's just them. Yeah, yeah. That's what I keep saying. Them, they, they, exactly. No, that's what I'm saying. is that because Anthony Fauci, I truly believe, is an evil person. He, you know, he was absolutely participant in this. He knew what he was saying was a lie. You know, he's not that he believed what he was

saying and somehow was let us straight. He knew darn well he was lying. He's writing one thing in his diary and standing up on the Sunday talk shows and saying something else. Okay. So he's absolutely guilty. But even with that said, there's somebody, some power, some group of people. I always think that Bill Gates has a hand in it. But there is something else more powerful than Anthony Fauci that really was calling the shots here. Well, I'm on the clock today, Kelly. I appreciate you being here. There's no doubt we, as we roll to the finish line here, there's no doubt in what you're feeling and thinking about this is absolute clarity.

I appreciate that always about you. And there's a lot to be, it's hard to assail your position because it is certainly fits with the facts as they present themselves. And so I appreciate you sharing it. And we'll find out more tomorrow. Hopefully I hope there'll be something interesting. Caleb, is that you trying to ring it a little bit? Are we good here on your end? Oh, no, that's not me.

We're good. So, yeah, thanks for letting me slide in here at the tail end of a busy show. but this is going to be really interesting tomorrow. I give, if nothing else, it renews my faith in some people in Congress. Certainly Rand Paul has been carrying, you know, the charge on this along with Ron Johnson. And I give them a lot of credit for trying to bring this stuff to see the light of day. Thanks for having me. And our breath is held.

We'll see where this ends up. Thanks, Kelly. We'll talk to you soon. Okay. Bye. You got it. Dr. Kelly, of course, serves with me. on the Wellness Company Medical Board,

where she has been an extremely important contributor, particularly on the wellness care front. Check that out at the Wellness Company websites. All right. So I don't think I have a chance. Okay, here it is. Dr. McCullough coming in tomorrow. Jeffrey Tucker coming in tomorrow.

So I've got to apologize to Jeffrey about something I thought I read that apparently I did not. But that'll be very interesting to get both of their take on the Fauci files tomorrow. And then Alan Dershowitz on Thursday. Sorry. Is that Thursday? Yes, on Thursday, Michael Gates.

We got to get him into the Attorney General's office in the state of California. Much more coming. Kat Timp on Monday, he'll be with, should be with me in studio. And then we're away for a week. And Emily Kaplan from Broken Science comes along, Yont Ram Yogander on that particular day. A friend Mike Catherwood, Dr. Victor, comes back. There's so much coming on, Dr. Schellie Sprague and Bob Foster coming around. There is a lot ahead for us.

So please be here with us. We're going to move to Mondays or in September, maybe. a couple of weeks. People were complaining about the Wednesday at four. They want to know that we're going to be on at 2. So we're going to try to do Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday at 2 Pacific 5. Sent 5 Eastern, but that's all starting up soon. So keep an eye on that. I do have one thing. Oh, please. Please. Please. So Drew used to love Fauci. He said that Fauci was the North Star and to follow Fauci. and he also said that COVID-19 was like the flu.

And he was attacked for that, but was never attacked for following Fauci. But then now, the fight has turned. And I want to know how that feels. Me? Yes. I'm trying to not fall victim to the same stuff that he falls victim to, which is hubris and over-con.

confidence and I'm trying to be very even and all this. I'm trying to take in, I don't feel quite the way Kelly does. I feel like human beings have weaknesses and they fall victim to things and they get into group think and horrible things happen. And we should call it out for what it is. But I don't think there's evil involved here. But, you know, evil is always done in the name of social good. So in a sense, it is kind of operating here. But ultimately, it is human weakness. It's a messed up bureaucracy. bureaucracy, bureaucracy ultimately is the enemy. And if we want to take blame, as I've always said, the real bad behavior was in silencing discourse, which was unspeakable. And in mandating a vaccine, you didn't have the bioethical standing to mandate. Those two are the unforgivable sins that happened in this whole thing. Everything else, I'm trying to be objective and reasonable about it. We'll see.

We'll see as the fact, let the chips fall where they may, as Elon. Musk says. Somebody on YouTube said you fell into their trap. Well, I certainly became overly compliant. I became a communist patsy, as Corolla said, and Susan said of me today. I started wearing the mask and towing the line. And for a few months, I was like, okay, you know, the governor's making plans for the worst possible situation. I am a good citizen. I'm going to do my part. And then I sort of woke up and like, what the hell am I doing this? Ridiculous. By the way, I knew it was a communist life from the beginning. Everybody who knows me.

I was like, this feels like communism. What's going on here? It certainly is the way communism operates. And we will learn more tomorrow. We'll see you tomorrow at 4 o'clock Pacific 7 Eastern. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer.

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