Ask Dr. Drew - Ask Dr. Drew - Adam Carolla & Steve-O on Coronavirus, Relationships, and more - Episode 13

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

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Where the hell you think I learned that? And you say, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help.

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Adam, what did you think of the whole intro? Not the one I read, the one you saw. It was well-crafted, but it always makes me think like there was a scene where you were standing on stage and you had the four ladies up there. And I'm guessing you guys had been talking about deadbeat dads and uh being

pegged with uh strap on pool cues and everything else and then when you said jesus christ they had to bleep out jesus so they bleeped out you saying jesus christ, I'm a doctor. Now let's get back to the conversation about being violated with bowling pins. Does anyone understand the society we've crafted? Do you understand why I don't listen to anyone ever? You know why? Because these are the same people that make the decision that they have to bleep you saying this out when we're now going to get in the most disgusting, vile conversation with the four worst women on the planet. You understand, right?

So this is what I wanted the show to be about. What am I supposed to do? Listen to people? By the way, we're going to have Steve-O in just a second. He wanted to talk to Adam. He's very kindly going to call in. We'll have him in about 15 minutes. I'm watching you guys on Restream, so I'll do the best I can to keep up with the questions there. And we are taking your calls, don't forget, at

984-237-3739. 984-237-3739. Adam, I wanted the show to be about tuning your brain. I think that's what this current circumstance calls for, don't you? People need to tune their brain. And we talk about this on the Adam and Drew show all the time. Tell this group what you mean by that. I don't know what i mean by tune your brain but i i it's a calibration it's a constant calibration people need to calibrate look

as a human being you need to learn the difference between tens and twos you just do when you're hiking alone and there's a mountain lion in your path that's 10. And if you're hiking alone and you see a little lynx and the lynx is, has a certain posture is walking a certain way or seems to be more scared of you than you are of it, that you have to stop. You have to recognize it, but you don't have to climb a tree. Right. I mean, and so in your life, your, your job is a constant calibrating. If you're walking down the sidewalk and the guy walking toward you is a big guy and he looks angry or whatever it is, you have to figure that in rather than the Asian elderly lady who's coming at you, who you recognize as possible neighbor or something. So it's a constant calibrating. If you're going to do everything at a 10, you're going to burn yourself out. You're going to give yourself a goddamn nervous breakdown.

And the joke will be on you because then you won't recognize the 10s and the 2s. And that's kind of what's been happening lately in the press, right? It's hard to tell what's going on. Well, the press has a job, which is label everything a 10 because that's ratings. There is no ratings for threes. It doesn't rate. It just doesn't. But then how do you call that journalistic integrity?

Well, what it is, it's a kind of a journalistic integrity via cherry picking. So you're not actually lying. You're saying X amount of people die every year, fill in the blank, you know, and you too could die that way as well. If you, in fact, operate a motor vehicle or ride on the subway or are in a building higher than seven stories in earthquake country you know they do that and then we can't really do the sufficient math right so they're not so they hide so they're gestalt what they're saying is big picture's a lie but if you want to read the transcripts and bring it into court then it's not really a lie right right so they know what they're doing but they're not lying so they

maintain this integrity you know it's like i was reading an article and it was like second los angelino or los ang Angeles County person to die. 34 year old male. And they were like, he just got back from Disneyland. His friends were shocked. This guy was full of life. There's nothing there. No one could have seen it coming.

And you're looking at this article and they didn't get anything wrong. They just left out a bunch of shit. So you go, well, if you were in court, if you're in journalism court, you'd go, did he go to Disneyland? Yes, he did. Was he 34? Yes, he was. Were his friends accurate when they were quoted he was so full of life? Yes, they were. Okay. Well, then I can sleep at night as a journalist,

although you've misled your audience. And for that, you should be tossing and turning at night. And it could be harmful to people. That's the part I'm, in this current situation. No, you know what this is? What? That story that we're talking about, now the guy had.

Testicular cancer. Overcome testicular, had testicular cancer. He'd also had like some sort of asthma and things, things, things that would make you believe things that make you go, Oh, okay. That's why the 34 year old guy, 34 year old guy perished. No, let me explain. There's a, there's also a new kind of journalism, which is going on, which is i'm going to be the parent here i'm going to save you i want you to do your homework uh no i want you to go to bed by nine

because you need a good night's sleep and i'm going to tell you there's a boogeyman under the bed and if you there's a boogeyman under the bed i'll just tell you that and then you'll go to bed by nine now it'll be better for you. Right. You'll get a good night's sleep. You'll be refreshed. You're ready to go to school tomorrow. Right.

It's lying, but it's a good lie. It's a lie to help. Who decides, though? I'm helping you. Yeah, but that's the problem. I decide. I'm the parent. I'm the parent.

When you're the parent, that's appropriate. When you're a journalist, you're not the parent. But you're becoming the parent. But you're becoming the parent. This is the new thing. I'm now going to explain to you what you need to worry about. Drew, 20 years ago, I passed the billboards on the way into Loveline. 55,000 Americans die of secondhand smoke every year. What would I yell every time?

Impossible. It's impossible. Why are they lying? Because they're the parent. And they don't want you to smoke and smoking's a bad thing so these are good parents who are lying to you for a good reason in their mind in their mind yes i agree that that's the problem though is that should they be and have that kind of power over the populace well they weren't voted in they weren't you know they weren't elected to this position they just declared themselves that's

up to the populace i agree people can't people do not have to believe every time oprah is talking about a serial killer and explaining this could happen to you and this could happen in any neighborhood. You don't have to ingest all that. Right. You may keep walking. You may realize statistically the chance of your kid being preyed upon by serial killers almost nil. So no matter how much you trust Oprah, you can still. I don't have any statistics when I was driving in the love line. I just looked up and saw fifty five thousand fifty five thousand people.

That's the amount of people died in Vietnam with that amount of Americans are dying every year from secondhand smoke. I highly doubt that. So as we sit here, apparently the president just ordered Washingtonhington and new york disaster areas and have activated national guards in three states which would be colorado it says sea wash and new york uh and uh to build hospitals and assist with the homeless sea wash sounds like the name of a douche hey ladies while you're stocking up on toilet paper grab a little sea wash huh your husband will appreciate it but uh i that's a good thing although i know people freak out about the national guard coming out i am i consider that a good thing because i don't see the homeless thing moving

without without a national guard because they're just not moving and so somebody has to move them are they doing it for the homeless moving them them? That's what it's sounding like. No, the National Guard. For the homeless? Well, they said for hospitals and homeless. Oh, okay. To build new hospitals and to move homeless. So it's probably going to be the sprung tents. Oh, C meaning California.

Good. This is very good news. So California, New York, and Washington are now disaster areas, which what that does, I've been begging Governor Newsom to do that because that pushes aside all the regulations. Pre, pre-corona. Yes, pre-well. You've been begging him to designate it.

Let me tell you, it's been actually Reverend Andy Bales, who runs the Union Mission downtown, been begging them to create a disaster. I didn't understand quite why he wanted that. Then Newsom declared an emergency and i thought oh good we're going to really do something about this right and then reverend bales pointed out to me no no no unless he declares a disaster he doesn't push aside any of the regulations but when fema declares a disaster or the state is in the state accepts that disaster status i think it has to work like that then all the barriers that have been made it impossible to help the homeless immediately go away so this is a good thing okay bad bad situation but a good thing so

i uh was i drove from my house to the forum uh about four weeks ago to open for joe coy i literally took basically side streets from my house to the LA Forum at about six o'clock on a Friday. I declared it a disaster area after driving from my house to the Forum. It looked like a disaster. And that was how long ago? It was a month ago. Yeah. I mean, really, people wouldn't believe it.

No. No, you wouldn't believe if you, again, you hit all the side streets and the back alleys and you took the Waze route to get from my house to the LA Forum at 630 on a Friday. It was a disaster, Eric. Want to take a couple calls? Sure. Let's see. Okay, here is Carly. Carly is 25. Go ahead, Carly. What's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey, Adam. Thanks for taking my call. Carly.

Quickly, I'll be brief, but Dr. Drew, when you went to Miami University in Ohio, I was in the audience. It was a few years ago, but you were talking about hookup culture. And we talked for a little bit in front of a bunch of people. So I really do appreciate it. I remember that. It was snowing, right? It was snowing in that week or something? Yes.

Yes, it was snowing really bad, and we thought you weren't going to make it. And I made it. So I'm in a bit of a pickle. I traveled about a week ago, and I started coughing, and I'm freaking out. Now, I don't have a fever. Like, I feel fine, but I think just because of everything that's going on, I'm like, do I even get tested or do I just treat it like I have the flu and just self-isolate, drink tea? Self-isolate, Tylenol, drink tea.

The only people that should be getting tested is with pneumonia, fever, and clear-cut traveler contact or ICU admission. That's all that's being tested. And right now, not only do we want to preserve all the tests we have, at least for the next couple of days, every time you get tested, they have to put on garb, right, to protect themselves in case you do have it.

And that's wasting that protective garb. Because that has to be thrown out. Exactly. So you need to just stay home for another week, okay? Okay. Well, also, if it's not progressing, you don't have to freak out right yeah yes but i mean for her to to assume you have it is a reasonable thing so you either you either stay in it so you've been a week after symptoms started or three days after all the symptoms end that's

the formal definition that the cdc true what percentage of people this time of year have of the populace have a cough a tick tickle in their throat, a sneeze, a whatever. I mean, it's got to be 10% of the population. As you know, I've always said about my mom, she's either feeling a cold coming on, has a cold, or is getting over a cold and then restarts the cycle. Either way, you're not getting a drive to the airport. But the point is, if you talk to my mom any day of the week

throughout the last 72 years, she'd tell you she had something going on. Yeah. Well, listen, not only that. Doesn't everyone have something going on? Susan just got over

coronavirus yesterday, if you asked her. There you go. Right? I did. Here's the deal. In spite of being highly restrictive

with whom we're testing, right, high probability, still the positivity rate is just 10%. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, also, what about the stories about women having survivability being much greater than men? Is that panning out? Is that something that's turning out to be true or not?

I haven't. Have you not heard that? I'd heard there were more fatalities in men at one point i just haven't seen any update on that because now we have much more much more data right yeah this is fairly recent here's an interesting speculation right think about this why what would if you had to apparently more young people in new york city are getting getting sick and having complications what is it about young people in this country that might predispose them to that, do you think? You're saying this country?

You're saying New York City? Well, half the cases are in New York City right now. I would think that the young, here's my layman's approach to all this. I believe that a lot of this has to do with your own immune system. Sure. And how you, whether it will go back to the 10 or 2 analogy. Obviously, if you have a very compromised immune system,

then it's going to be a 10. If you have a very strong immunity, it's going to be a 10. If you have a very strong immunity, it's going to be a 2. People that grew up on a farm have a strong immunity. They're out slopping the pigs and shoveling the shit and rolling around in the dirt, and those people probably don't have it. New York and young means you grew up in the Purell age. You probably grew up being slathered and all that shit. And you also probably grew up taking tons of antibiotics as well. And then, of course, there's the proximity and all that kind of stuff. But what I'm saying is, I don't think you would find as high a likelihood

if these folks grew up on a farm. And they do the study about the earaches in the dogs. And it's interesting. Kids who grew up with no dog get more earaches. Kids who grew up with a dog that was indoors got less. And kids who grew up with a dog that was outdoors and came in and out and in all the time had the least. Which is why you don't use soap. No, I don't use soap.

No, I want to expose myself to stuff. I want my immune system to work. Work out, not be blowing a bubble. I want to go full John Travolta. The peanut allergy theory, too. Yeah, where's everyone getting the peanut allergies? I mean, this is why I would assume younger people in that group, also, they have parents that are more highly educated and probably more tending to read all the stuff, do all the stuff, wash.

They probably fruit wash like I have to spray the fruit wash. I fill it up with a sink like twice a year. I just top it off and put it back. Yeah, we have fruit wash. Fruit and veggie spray.'s it's basically sink it's hose water with zest of lemon in it perfect seven bucks at the trader nice nice uh i wanted a millennial pointed out to me who lives close to me point out perhaps cannabis has something to do with it because we know the cigarettes are bad well We don't know if cannabis is bad. It's interesting.

Look, first things first. I don't want to sound like Grandpa Carolla, but here we go. Here we go. The thing about weeds, I got nothing against weed, but let's stop ascribing mythical benefits of it. You smoke a cigarette. The smoke goes through a filter. it's bad for your lungs you ripping a bong load through no filter and holding it is as long as you possibly can from you know

some spleef that was grown in mexico and keep it filling up your lungs to maximum capacity dropping the whole tube the whole bong load in there you know people, people who smoke cigarettes, suck it in, spit it out. You know, imagine if you saw, as a doctor, saw someone smoking a cigarette, like, I'm putting a bong in. Bust the filter off, put in a bong. If you were a doctor, you would stab them, right? You'd be like, no, no, no. Okay, so listen.

I'm not against weed or anything, but yeah, maybe your lungs are a little bit. Maybe it's time to think about that. Well, maybe think about vaping. Or edibles or whatever. Well, edibles. My point is, yeah, if you've been ripping along a lot of bong loads for a lot of years, there could be some compromised lung situation. Why don't we bring our friend, Mrve-o into the conversation steve you

there after the break you bet i am well let's i know you've been sitting very very very quietly i tell you we're gonna do we're gonna take a little break and when we come back we're gonna have a three-way all right we're gonna heap praise on adam for Adam for keeping his immune system on its toes. That's totally what I'm about. Well, in a weird way, you practice the same kind of theory, Steve. You just burn yourself up and have things crush you, and you survive all those things. All right, hold up. We're going to be right back.

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My book is called I'll Be Your Emotional Support Animal. And it is available for a pre-order on Amazon as we speak. It's got my dog, Phil, on top of me. And the reason you pre-order it is it helps with the books and the sales and the charts. And if they pre-order enough, then Barnes & Noble will order more, whatever it is. it good it's it helps with the books and the sales and the charts and the if they pre-order enough then barnes and noble will order more whatever it is got it's a pre-order it just helps i'm your emotional sport animal and the last book uh i've done well the last most important book is in 50 years we'll all be chicks which happened in 10 years or that's six years really uh one but ste, before we start, one more thing.

Uppity. Oh, Uppity's on Netflix and so are all our racing movies, but you can go to Chassis, C-H-A-S-S-Y.com and get the Blu-ray of all those movies. Uppity is killing it.

Yeah. It's killing it. It's a big deal now. They want to make it into a feature. Wow. The people that make Wonder Woman,

the movie, want to make it into a feature wow the people that make wonder woman the movie want to make it into a feature crazy yeah all right steve now you're on all right well okay so about this uh exposing yourself to as many germs as possible to keep your immune system strong um when i was in eighth grade i was attending the the American school in London. And I actually went on a field trip to Egypt. When I went on this field trip, they told us that we should not drink the water. Even if we have a soda at the restaurant, do not let them put ice cubes in it because to drink the water would make us terribly ill so we were you know totally heating their their warning then as we're at this restaurant on the bank of the Nile River I watched an Egyptian dude dunk his toothbrush in

the Nile River and just sit there brushing his teeth and I thought if tap water is so dangerous here, then what the hell is the Nile? And my next thought was that this crazy guy brushing his teeth in the Nile, that if he went back to England where I lived, or if he went to America and drank our tap water, that he would probably get sick. And I thought, you know, it's whatever you're used to. So then I determined that the safest thing for me to do, the most healthiest thing, would be to travel to every country in the world and drink tap water everywhere I went, so that I acclimated to everything. And that's actually precisely what I ended up doing, traveling the world, filming Wild Boys. The first thing i did in every single country was just guzzle tap water

and i had a little bit of diarrhea in kenya but that's about it so i consider myself very healthy because of the same philosophy that adam was talking about there you go i wouldn't recommend what you've done but uh okay i would i like it drew what's the difference between your body and your immune system in terms of working it out? Your immune system is what responds to the pathogen. But what I'm saying is, if you don't give your immune system any kind of workout, then what's going to happen? I mean, let's go an extreme. I like to get at the truth, but I like going to the extreme. What if you just took a brand new baby and you just put them in a bubble and you just never expose them to anything and you fed them through a tube and blah, blah, blah.

What would happen when they were 15 and they went outside? They'd react to everything and their immune system would be overreacted. Well, that's an extreme version of what we're doing to young kids. Yeah. That's my take. My take is if that's 100%, if that's bad, then the 30% we're doing to young kids. Yeah. That's my take. My take is if that's 100%, if that's bad, then the 30% we're at is bad too. And I was thinking about this today.

I mean, throughout human history, infectious diseases were the problem. And suddenly today, it is again. It's not bacterial infectious diseases the way it was. If you died in 1890, it was a bacterial infection, most likely, particularly was you were like if you died in 1890 it was a bacterial infection most likely particularly if you were young i'll bet you by the way the elderly population you know people over 80 are the most vulnerable because of their condition or their age uh but i will bet you that when the dust settles on this thing the young people probably get it at a higher rate

or deal with it in a less positive way than 60-year-olds. Because 60-year-olds just miss Purell. And 50-year-olds just miss all the antibacterial soap and hand washing and slathering of everything. So the worst would be 49. Yeah, there's a Mason- dixon line of people under 50 or under you know 44 whatever it is that hit that that whole group grew up on that you know what i'm saying yeah yeah i hear you i know that'll pencil out that way

and steve you wanted more here's a another thought about the coronavirus in particular, is that if it takes 14 days from when you catch it to sort of cycle past it and move on, then wouldn't it be better for the world at large to, you know, since we're in quarantine anyway, to go ahead and get it, stay in quarantine for 14 days so you don't give it to anybody who's particularly vulnerable. And then like you're past it. And so then you're, you're, you're not, you know, is it not better to just get it and get it over with? Adam, this is your theory. Well, I think the only hole in this theory is you and I, Steve O, would get it, stay home and probably be fine with it. But a lot of people would rush to the emergency room and then clog up the whole artery of the emergency room.

And I think that's the problem with everyone getting it at once. If we lived in a utopia filled with Steve OOs and Adam-Cs, well, then we'd have no problem-Os. See what I did there with Steve-O? But the only caution I would say is that the Steve-O and the no problem-O Corolla world, the complication rate of young people is not zero. And so you're really, you know, that's a bit of a Russian roulette game we're playing. And we don't know the numbers on that yet because it's such a new illness. Here's an interesting bit of data for you guys. COVID-19 is the illness caused by SARS-Coronavirus-2.

So when they say COVID-19, they're talking about the disease. And when they're talking about SARS-Coronavirus-2, that's the virus. Interesting, right? Not really. All right. all right keep going I thought that was interesting found that scintillating all right Steve what else going on okay I want to switch gears a little bit um this week on Thursday I will be uploading a video entitled the drunkest I ever was on TV. And I believe, Adam, that you would remember this pretty vividly as it was on Too Late with Adam Carolla. Yes. So I just wonder if you can kind of walk us through what happened, Adam,

and maybe I can pull a soundbite from my video. My recollection of that show is that Steve-O was coming by from Jackass, and we're probably taping at, I don't know, about 4 or 5 in the afternoon or something like that. We're at Hollywood Center Studios. You were in the green room, and I remember one of my producers saying, we got plenty of booze from him, so this is going to be a good one you know and i sort of was like okay and they're like yeah he's drinking a ton of vodka so who knows

like this is going to be fun and um so then steve came out and steve had drank all the vodka and steve was very drunk and so steve's first move was to kind of try to topple me on my my chair it's a weird tackle maneuver it was a kind of a slow motion dry humping that he was doing to me and my biggest concern is that we were going to stop filming and somebody was going to help me and that we're going to have to redo the show somehow that was always my biggest concern is that we stopped so i was trying to tell everyone like we're okay we're okay keep it going and then you sat down i got you back onto the sofa and you're taking the heel of your of your foot of your, and you're banging it very aggressively

through the glass tabletop. And my thought was he's going to bash his Achilles, essentially, through the tabletop and cut himself to pieces. And I was feeling horrible. Like, I was like, don't, come on, don't do that. Don't do it. You're going to destroy your Achilles

or the back of your shin. And eventually you did break it. And then at some point we wrapped the show up. And I remember the young female executive from Comedy Central coming up to me right off camera. And she said, like, what are we going to do? And I said, what do you mean, what are we going to do? And she said, like, what show are we going to run and she said like what show are we going to run tonight and I said we're going to run this show and she said we can't run this show it was out of control and I said this is going to be the only episode anyone

ever remembers of this show so we should run this show and she was we argued for a while it was based on me thinking it was interesting and then also me not wanting to do another show like i don't know who we're gonna have on as a guest like the guy holds the boom mic so i also remember about three weeks later or maybe it was 10 days later i was like who's the guest tonight and they're like steve-o's back and i'm like okay. So I remember it always bothered me when people who did shows were like, he can't come back. He was blah, blah, blah. My feeling is like you can definitely come back. Sort of like what Drew and I had with Pennywise doing Loveline after being physically assaulted. So, yes, he came back and took us to Poo Poo City. We'll tell you that story later. Those are my recollections.

Yes. Well, that's great. I appreciate that. You didn't view it as a bad thing, Adam. I have a weird kind of a judgmental thing, which is if I see you littering, I hate you as a human being. And I'm OK if a tree falls on you and crushes you 10 steps after you just threw the McDonald's wrapper on the floor. If you try to physically assault me when you're drunk, I have no problems with it. And I don't know if you remember, Steve, but in your command repeat performance when he brought him back me they made me stay backstage with you

right and that was a double purpose so that um you could sort of babysit me and if I was unacceptable for being on TV that you could be the replacement guest oh I don't know about that they didn't tell me that part maybe they told you that part they threatened you with that Adam would of course not hear that but but they threatened you with that i'm sure case of emergency break glass so so and but i'll always remember that because we were backstage talking and i was like dude come on what are we gonna do here and you went hey when i decide it's time i will go all the way remember that conversation yeah yeah and that's and that's exactly what you did. Yeah. I remember, uh, Drew reaching out to me and saying, Hey, uh, you know, I think it might be time for you to get treatment. And we've got this show, uh, celebrity rehab with Dr. Drew.

And, you know, I would just consider doing that. And, and at the time I'd said, I said, Drew, I have far too much respect for the process of recovery than to make a mockery of it on television. And that was just my excuse to not get sober. Exactly. But the conversation I remember that was backed by craft service at Adam's thing, where you were just saying i when i when it comes time i'll let you know and i will go all the way and that and at the moment you said that i was like oh god i've heard that one before but you did exactly that when when you decided you were ready to go it was on well thank you and i just celebrated 12 years of sobriety great wow it's years. I know, we're old. Yeah, I know. That's why we're all

indoors right now and isolating. Heath Ledger's been dead for 11 years and Steve-O's been sober for 12. Wow, we old. Right. Drew, statistically speaking, what are the odds that the three of us all still have our hair?

Oh, that's an interesting... Yeah, that's a rare event too. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, Drew's hair is fine. Yeah, I'm good. Steve's looking good. And of course there's the ice cream. Well, thanks, man. Has Ted got his hair? I can't picture it. Ted does. Ted still has his hair, yeah. So I wonder, too, I've just finally, after talking about doing it for so long, launched my own podcast. It's called Wild Ride with Stevo.

And I was asking you before we went on, Drew, about recording podcasts with guests like easy i see you guys are together in the studio that like uh it's it you know what's the protocol here right are you guys i'm wondering what you guys are doing next week uh my podcast we are physically apart i'm broadcasting from home and everyone's kind of spread out. I mean... Are you and I going to be in the same room? I don't know. It's all just for appearances. It's really, it's not... Well, I mean, we're all

trying to do the right thing. We're trying to practice. Yeah, but what I'm saying is you and I doing a podcast in the same room is neither here nor there. It's all whether you're going to get raked over the coals on the internet by some ass wipe or something i mean i'm just being honest let's be honest it doesn't you know look i get it definitely call off the soccer match and uh you know the concert and blah blah blah you and i being together in the same room doing a podcast is window dressing

that it's pure symbolism. I have no problem with that because you and I are, I don't want to expose your staff, right? And so you and I being together is different than being around your staff and stuff. You're a doctor, you could say, man. Right. You know, my thing is, is like, my son and I took a walk today and we're walked down this horse trail and there was like couples that just walked past us. You know, it was a narrow trail.

Was it a big, wide trail? There's parts of it that get really narrow. There's like people pass you, you know, and they're talking and snorting and sneezing and coughing. And we're just walking from where they were into whatever they left, you know, whatever contrail they left behind. There's not much of a look. So let's be honest. What's the difference between my son taking a hike and passing 15 strangers on a on a horse trail or you doing a podcast with somebody who's in the same room with you?

The trail would probably be worse. However, all the transmission, very little of it seems to be by aerosol or even by a surface. It's mostly through prolonged contact. So technically, if we were coughing, it'd be a problem, right? Right. So it's a symbolic thing.

Think about this, Adam. The way I look at it. Something that people have not given a lot of thought to, and I'm actually really concerned about it, is the elevator. Elevators, to me, seem like contagion boxes. And especially the urban development buildings in New York City, which have zero ventilation. The elevators are about three feet across.

And, man, you walk into that thing with somebody coughing, or after they get out just after they cough i can't imagine a worse environment i mean that elevators maybe talking about what to do with elevators i don't know what we do well first things first i you know taking the stairs probably a healthy alternative in this yes day and age of sedentary worrying you know yep so maybe this will lead to that also on a positive note i was thinking about as i was coming here i was thinking you know my son and i went out for a long walk and we passed a bunch of other people who are taking long take a Sabbath. And this is why, if you talk to the people you know, if you think about the people you know, like the guys I know

who are Jewish and they just are religious, pardon the pun, about the Sabbath, it's like every Saturday, Friday night, dinner with the family, Saturday, no computers, no, you know, no business, no travel, no whatever. They're always much saner than we are. So this is like, we've been saving up our Sabbaths for like the last 10 years and we're just cashing them in like vacation days. But I've noticed that an offshoot of some of this is a lot of people are getting saner. You think? Well, there's a group of chicken littles that are sitting home wringing their hands and going nuts all day. Yeah.

And there's another group that seems a lot more even. The people I passed, they were mountain biking. They were hiking. They had their kids and their dogs. And there was a lot more, how's it going? Okay. Well okay well there's a little bit there's definitely a sense of remember the first time in the world the history of the world that the world has a common enemy right and and we certainly right and certainly those of us oh right sorry i was on the sabbath thing everyone forget he's a jew i i know it's normal you know but he's so nice you know he's like regular weird he's generous

like it's weird yeah anyway sorry yeah but uh completely lost my train of thought it's all right he's never had a train you've never pulled a train of thought your life the point is that we have a common enemy and we're all sort of in this together and whether whether china that's right no no no whether the government is being excessive or not doesn't matter we all collectively are doing this together you know it's a collective sense of that it is a sabbath like it's quiet and it's a forced sabbath yeah it really is and i understand the beneficial effects of that Sabbath, like whatever your religion is. Yeah. Unless it's that one where you flog yourself with a chain and walk down the street.

Yeah. Steve, anything else you need from Adam? We're going to get some calls in a second. I think, are we good? We can go with whatever we need, right? Yeah, I think we're good, man appreciate you both thank you thank you stay safe man good to talk to you uh whatever you need from us we got you all right buddy hey man thank you so much drew take care everybody all right thanks steve bye steve i i like the sabbath idea it is good idea. Are you suggesting that we should adopt it?

It's an interesting thing, interesting model. I don't know about we, but I've always said or frequently said recently, this is a short prison sentence. You can do the time or you can let the time do you. And you sitting around and worrying and getting fatter and angrier and more paranoid is the time doing you. You doing the time is family activities, exercise, learning things that you wouldn't have formally learned, spending a little less time watching the news and a little more time doing a crossword puzzle or something. But I, as somebody who's been on a bit of a cyclical sort of grind

for the last few years, just to kind of work in weekends and traveling and moving around the same stuff you're doing, have actually looked at this and went oh i gotta i now know what it feels like just to hang on a saturday and a sunday just just hang out like i i know what it's like to just be in this space without feeling like oh boy i gotta get over to who wants what or they're setting stuff up or where am I supposed to be? Just literally the, the notion of you got to be here at this time, then you got to be there at that time. Then hopefully we've carved out enough time for you to make it to the airport because you got to catch a noon flight. Just the fact that somebody's imposed this Sabbath on us,

I already feel slightly saner than I did two weeks ago. Yeah, I agree. And I know for sure that if you imposed a Sabbath on yourself, if you just went, hey, after five o'clock on Friday and until five o'clock the next Saturday, I don't do emails, you would be a more even person. Let me push back on you a little bit. And you always praise the person who never rested, always worked. You know what I mean?

Remember having an engine? No, no. It's not always worked and never rest. I have praise for the person that runs the bleachers until they're this close to vomiting and then stops it flat and just lays it out on the grass. I'm not saying that person can never get off the bleachers. And I don't have endless praise for that person because that person has something wrong with them, that churner. You know what I mean? And I've always critiqued that person i'm saying who i've critiqued is the person that did ran the bleachers once and said that's all i

got i couldn't do anymore i had a bad knee from and i go you got more in you you could do more you have a podcast with mark garagos reasonable doubt you can also get that at adamcarolla.com and podcastone.com uh is where's he on all this? I haven't heard from him. Have you talked to him? Yeah, I talked to him the other day. There we go. What's he thinking? You know, I think he's kind of like us.

He's a little old school. He doesn't get, he thinks it's an overreaction. He has a business, you know, he's business-minded, so he doesn't like the notion of everything being shut down. I think he I think he's somewhere around where we are, which is, you know, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory or a hoax. I just believe we tend to go all in on safety, which everyone says, well, what could be bad about all in on safety? And my thing is like, well, there's repercussions. There's, there's a balance. Well, it's, it's in medicine, we call it a risk reward ratio. Whenever we do anything, there's a potential downside to whatever we do. Yes. The most dangerous thing you could probably do as an American or as a, you know,

middle-aged white person living in this country operate a motor vehicle and it's like okay why don't you wear a helmet and the answer is i could but i don't i'm not gonna it's like well why not play it safe you know what i mean it's like well you made the point about why have speeds above five miles an hour? Yeah, and I get that everything's not an apples to apples analogy or comparison. But what I'm saying is, I think you and I and Mark have a sort of risk reward kind of analysis, whereas a lot of people just go all in. If there's one tenth of one percent that you may or we may or this may, then we're going all in. And my thing is like, I don't work that way. I want to I want to see I want to see the other side.

I want to hear about the downside. I want to know who's going to be impacted and to what degree by all in this way. And then I want to try to examine it. Now, the problem with this is we don't know. We don't know. So now we're in a territory which is, well, what if you're wrong? And I get it. And that's why I generally agree with what's going on.

My question is really how long. How long? I don't want to keep this going for as long as we're planning on keeping it going. And someone on the restream was asking about wanting me to come to New York City. New York City, it's going down exactly the way I thought it would. New York City is going to be the poster child for this whole epidemic, pandemic in this country. They're struggling. They're going to do it.

They're going to, they're, believe me, it's not Italy. They are preparing they're they're really preparing for this they're and flexing and building an infrastructure and and yeah and there'll be other cities are stressed my thing is like look we live in the san fernando valley essentially that is not brooklyn you what I mean? This is a huge difference. And you'd be, you wouldn't do yourself a service to approach every individual. Every local. And every local, whatever, as if they're all the same. Right. They're all different.

There's no apartment buildings in my neighborhood. There's no apartment buildings in your neighborhood. The closest house you have are the Hatfields and the McCoys over there. They're 100 yards away. Right. And they don't have 11 kids. So it's a different situation. So this notion of like, well, one size fits all or we play it safe. I disagree with that.

I get that New York City has its own set of problems and any place that is condensed and urban and people are living on top of each other and traveling in elevators, so be it. But we don't have that. Right. And also, we don't have mass transit as much as we'd like to or we'd say we do. You don't get on the subway. I don't get on a subway. We get in our cars alone and we travel to another single family residence.

You know what I mean? So it's not the same. It shouldn't all just be the same. The other thing is if we're around, I'll keep saying, if we're around 60,000 by the end of the week, that's doing pretty good. 60,000 cases in the United States. Yep. Yep. saying if we're around 60 000 by the end of the week that's doing pretty good and 60 000 cases cases in the united states yep yep we're doing pretty good if we can keep it county still have four uh i can get you that very quickly here you know it's a weird thing when you try to seek out news that would be considered relatively positive. Yeah, it's hard.

Like I type in like, look, what could be simpler than death toll coronavirus LA County? It's like, you think a number would just pop up? Oh no, it's articles like two more. Now it's up to four in the last four days or whatever. It's like four total though. Like, right. It's 29 in the state of California at this moment. Uh, that's the entire state.

Right. But there's a lot in the Bay area. Right. Then it was for an LA County. I don't know what the populace of LA County is. It's 8 million or something like that. Million. Yeah.

Okay. So there you go, everybody. If I can get, I'm not saying don't do what the man tells you to do. I'm saying don't freak out about it tells you to do i'm saying don't freak out about it don't that's exactly been my message from the beginning follow the cdc regs you're going to be fine uh let's take some calls here this is uh katie katie's in orange county here hi katie hi adam hi drew hi hi what's up hi yeah thank you thank you for taking my call Hi, Drew. Hi, you guys. Hi. What's up?

Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I was just wondering, I've been listening to you guys forever and listening to all your podcasts. I'm a big fan. But I'm 36 years old right now, and I work for Kaiser. So we still have to go in every day. I am on the behavioral health floor, but we're still giving patients the option to see us in person or do therapy sessions over the phone. Some of them are coming in, some of them not. But I still have to walk through, we're doing screening at the front door and I still have to walk through sort of like

the first floor to get to the stairs, to go up to the fifth floor. My concern is I had, I actually had tuberculosis when I was 21. And so I recovered. I feel, I feel great. I feel so much better. Hang on. When you say you had tuberculosis, did you have primary TB or you had reactivation full-on pneumonia from tuberculosis?

I'm honestly not sure which one, but I did the whole nine-month house confinement and how to do the student samples and take a nurse come to my house every day. Oh, so that's the real deal. Okay, you had the real deal. And your lung, your chest X-ray now is clear?

Any scarring or anything in your chest X-ray? Yes, I do have scarring. So whenever I get a new job or anything, I can never do chest X-rays because I don't pass and I can't do skin tests either because they'll always come up positive. Right, of course. So I typically do, I have a criminologist, but I typically do bronchoscopies like once every two years or try not to do it as much. Okay, so you are definitely not the average 35-year-old, right? Right.

Right, so you've got to be careful. You've got to be very, very careful. I mean, in a perfect world, you'd be doing just the telemedicine stuff. Can you talk to your supervisor and raise these issues? Yes, I can. I can. It's so funny because I actually started two weeks ago um right in the middle so right in the height of all of this taking place so there's been so many changes

so quickly um and so I haven't really it's like kind of I mean I know I'm I'm more open to talk about it but um I don't know I just sometimes I like to have relationships for a little bit longer until I discuss. I mean, HR knows anyways because I had to get hired. Right. So it's just like a sensitive topic being so new. But I could definitely say something. You need to at least bring it up. You know, if I were your supervisor and there was any question,

we'd have you talk to the infectious disease people at the hospital and let them make the call okay make sense okay yeah but i think or pulmonary one or the other either idea and pulmonary but it seems to me that you're not the average risk you're not high risk but you're not the average risk and i would think they'd want to minimize that exposure that was was interesting, right? Okay. Here's Andrew. Andrew's in Brooklyn. Andrew, go ahead. Whoops, it didn't come up. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There he is. Andrew. Hello. Hey there. Hey, so my question

is, I take a daily antibiotic, doxycycline, as it's pronounced, for rosacea. And I was wondering if it might just be a good idea in general to stop taking it for the next few months. What was going on? I don't think so. I would for sure talk to your doctor about stopping before you do. I mean, there's nothing about doxycycline unless you need to go on the hydroxychloroquine. Then you might want to do something. But as it is now, no, no.

I think you just talk to your doctor about it to make sure. But I don't see any special reason to do that. What's going on with the hydroxychloroquine? Yeah, it's interesting. I tweeted something showing some of the basic mechanisms, some of the basic antiviral mechanisms that have been proven associated with hydroxychloroquine. And it's been studied extensively, and it really interferes with viral production, coronavirus. And I know that there's a bit of a run on it here locally, because doctors are getting on to it.

I know that infectious disease doctors are prescribing it pretty routinely now and my guess is that the reason they're in so enthusiastic is they're seeing response and so by the end of the week so by this week this is the week where we figure out where we are right yes yeah because by the end of the week we'll know are we at 60,000 or are we at 600,000 where are we by the end of the week, we'll know, are we at 60,000 or are we at 600,000? Where are we by the end of the week? Because the doomsday scenario is we're going to be this rapid acceleration into a million people. Remember that? Yeah. My fear is that nobody wants to be the guy that says it's okay to go back into the water.

We've captured the shark. You're fine. That's going to be, I don't know how they do that. It's going to be really hard. One of the ways they're going to be able to do it is if somebody can prove that the hydroxychloroquine has some sort of prophylactic effect, some sort of preventive effect, and they've scaled up the production so everybody can get it, then I think we've got a really interesting situation. Then you at least tell young people, hey, it's probably cool to go back in the water. Well, but again, we have a new thing, which is safety at all costs. And since politicians are never going politicians are essentially running a popularity contest and they are going to do whatever it's going to take not to be caught as the one that said it was safe to

go back in the water, if there's a 1% chance of anything happening to anybody, any of the time, because that's our society. So because the politicians, here is this horrible cauldron of witches brew that we're dealing with. The media is making more money than they've ever made over stuff like this. It's more content than they could ever

dream of. The politicians are going to get paid and they're going to keep their job if they tell everyone, stay home as long as humanly possible. It doesn't matter if the economy completely runs in the ground. I don't think politicians will be held accountable for the economy running into the ground. So what is their incentive?

First things first, what percentage of politicians were against gay marriage 10 years ago? And what percentage are for gay marriage today? Well, the answer is none and now all. But they're all average 71 years old. Do you think they changed their mind from their mid-60s to their mid-70s? No, they got to figure out what's going on and get reelected. That's 100% my thought on politicians.

None of them, right or left, want anything to do with telling people, go back, you'll be fine, or maybe it's going to come on like the flu, but just go home or whatever. But we got to get the economy back up and running. They're not going to do it. You don't think so?

At some point, there's a sort of a- Oh, well, yeah, at some point there's a well yeah it's some it's some point but what's that point i mean we're going to get to that point fast and i don't think they're going to be ready for that now you and i are sort of like i agree with you let's see what happens this week let's see where the numbers go yeah or don't go let's see what these hydroxychloride stuff let's see how this works is it where we're at and then if we see which way this thing is going let's go what's your guess i don't trust the news not in not that i don't believe the news i just they're going to ride the flame the flame fanning as long as they can ride the flame fanning.

And I think politicians take all their cues from the news. I think Trump's got an election coming up, and this could undo him if he screws this up. The economy part, or the whole thing. No, I don't think he's going to be held he's not going to be held, he's not going to be held accountable for the economy. As much as. As he would for this. Yeah. So he's going to go way over that direction too.

I'm sure he doesn't care. I'm sure he cares more about the economy, but he cannot, if he screws this up, he's going to be crucified. So I don't have a lot of hope that people are going to do, the politicians are going to do the right thing. I think the people are going to have to do the right thing. Like at a certain point when it just becomes too much and your business is being boarded up, you're just going to have to show up and go, fuck it.

I'm selling tacos today. I'm sorry. It's been three weeks. Nothing's happening. What's wrong with me that the press fanning the flames really bugs me? It really bothers me because it's because you because i'm talking people off the ledge all day and maybe it's that because you think that the press should be more noble yes i do you think they're noble yeah and they want money right it's a business. I don't think they're noble.

I think they want viewership. And they want ad sales. You hold them to a standard. That's your problem. Fair enough. Well, as I've told you, but they call themselves journalistic integrity. I've got journalistic integrity. But what would you say if you wanted people to believe you?

Right, right. I mean, of course, you have to keep saying it. Right. You have to keep talking about it, you have to keep saying it. Right. You have to keep talking about it. You have to keep talking about it, that part, in order to keep the other part going. Yeah, yeah, okay. That actually puts the pieces together a little bit for me.

We have a call from somebody who used to call us years ago, Emma from England, and she has got a report from the UK. Emma, how are you? Hello. Hi, Drew. Hi, Adam. Well, I know you guys aren't well, but I hope you're feeling well in yourself. We are. We're doing pretty good. According to Adam, we're better than ever. Yes, we're observing the

Sabbath. A forced Sabbath. Yeah, atheist Sabbath. Horrible band. So what's going on with you? How are things in the UK? Or what's left of it? I'm going absolutely crazy and irrational and I'm a bit worried about it because I feel angry with everybody. I feel angry with the people who are taking things really casually. I'm also angry with the people who are going way over the top.

And I'm just finding my anger isn't rational. And I'm a bit worried about it. And also I'm scared about people spreading fake information and not caring about it. Because I always believe that it's better to spread the truth, even if you don't like it. Otherwise, people aren't going to have any respect. So Emma and I are in, I did not not know this but we are in mind meld i feel exactly the way she does you got to tune us up adam yeah no well look if you should be angry at the people that are going out body surfing um or crowd surfing i I should say, during spring break.

And you should be angry at the ones that are going way over the top with doom and gloom and, you know, don't hug a loved one. But why should we be angry? It's just these are

people's reactions to it. It's a crazy time. And why, what's wrong with Emma and I that we get upset? I wouldn't even call it anger. Emma, is it anger or upset? I get upset.

That does a difference. Well, well i snapped at people in public and i'm not usually like that and also i know that's not a rational or a good thing to do like i've told people off for being rude when they're blocking the aisle in supermarkets and had people you know get quite irate with me and obviously that's not a good idea. And I've had all the years of listening to you and knowing that if I'm acting in a bad way, it's a bad way. So I'm just worried that I'm going a bit crazy. I think looking at it this way, if you stress yourself out,

you're going to screw up your immune system and that's going to make you more susceptible to this. So why don't you look at it from health standpoint you know what i mean do a little uh but you know that i have another weird thing too maybe i don't know let's talk about wim hof in a second but um and maybe emma feels the way i do. I literally feel like I can feel the anxiety in the air. It's the weirdest damn thing. Yes. I feel like it's like, even when I try to calm myself down,

I feel like I'm absorbing something from the environment. Maybe that's why I'm irritable with the press too, because it sort of puts me over the top. I don't know. Yeah, it's like radon. It is like radon. That's how it feels. Yeah, you have to get yourself, you have to put yourself into situations that don't allow you to absorb this.

And you cannot just sit. Drew, you know, an alcoholic can't sit in a bar. Right. It's going to be tough. That's right. You have to sit alone on the beach. Right. And you sitting around watching the news all day is an alcoholic sitting in a bar.

But I don't. With a week's worth of sobriety. I do do a little too much social media stuff. Right. But I do. Well, that's exposing yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

Fair enough. I'll look at it as sobriety. Yes. Let's see here. I'm trying to take more calls here from you guys. Thank you, Emma. Good to hear from you after all this time. We had somebody here.

This is a really interesting. I think it's interesting question. I hope you will think so too. Paul, interesting question. Go ahead, Paul. Hi, thanks for taking my call. I work in the UC system here in the Bay Area. I'm a respiratory therapist. And I feel like we haven't seen a lot of these patients, but the ones that we're seeing, we're kind of using, it's going to get a little bit clinical, but we're using the ARDS-NEV protocol to manage these patients when they get really sick and in consideration that their lungs are not typically getting stiff like a normal ARDS patient I'm my concern has been that you know the typical

protocol has us jacking up the uh enterothoracic pressures in response to hypoxemia and I worried we're going to trash these patients lungs well so so what I'm hearing and I'm hearing two first one interesting I'm hearing they're in some areas they're trying to coach up a respiratory therapist to manage the ventilators. That would be interesting, wouldn't it? As opposed to who? Yeah. And that's actually what we do. Go ahead.

As opposed to the pulmonologist or the intensivist. I was going to say that that's what we do in our facility, and that's what we're doing in a lot of facilities. They give us a protocol to follow it, but some of us kind of follow it blindly. Right, so here's the... Go ahead. So let me explain to people what he's talking about. So ARDS is a common problem, right?

It's not a big deal. It's a big deal, but it's not something that the clinicians have never seen. What's ARDS? Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome. It's what happens when people go into shock, when they get pneumonias, when they have complications of all kinds of infections and it is a primary feature of this infection it's why people are dying and it develops rather quickly and out of the blue kind of thing it's it's the the pneumonia with this typically pneumonias viral pneumonias get complications of bacterial pneumonias which is not so much happening here and. And it's what's called an interstitial pneumonia,

so it affects the compliance of the lung. It makes it stiff. And that's what Paul's talking about. They have to use high pressures to make it breathe. That's really part of the problem with the respiratory failure associated with viral pneumonias. But strangely, with this virus, the lungs are quite compliant, but the ability to oxygenate is way off.

So what you're going to have to do in high flow oxygen and high pressure is damage the lung. So we don't have to worry about the high pressure, and that's what Paul is saying is in his protocol. And you guys are going to have to adjust your protocol so people aren't adjusting the pressures ahead of the oxygen the problem is as you know well the high flow oxygen is going to damage things true right and so i'm betting and i'm betting oh i'm betting you're going to have to use a lot of what's the store what's the feeling on peep right now in your unit um well and that's that's exactly what I was concerned about, is that we follow

a protocol that the more oxygen a patient is demanding, the higher the PEEP that we're going to use. And I'm concerned that these patients might not actually need that, and it might actually damage the lung. It might, but you're also not going to see pneumothoraces and all that kind of stuff, because the lung is

compliant. So I'm betting that PEEP is going to be therapeutically importantaces and all that kind of stuff because the lung is compliant so i'm betting that peep is going to be therapeutically important to a point let's pee pee positive and expiratory pressure it's it's like when you when you breathe out it'd be like breathing against a hair dryer kind of thing there's pressure going in as you breathe out in fact strangely paul i had an aids patient once with uh pneumocystis that was lying at home for three days with a hair dryer in his mouth. And I was like, that is the strangest thing I've ever seen. But that's how he gave himself peep. And so when I hear people talk about, you know, people are using hair dryers and things, I thought, oh, my God, is this that issue again?

That people are auto peeping themselves? Why are they doing that? I don't think it's really happening. This AIDS patient did it because it kept his lungs expanding. What's a ventilator do? Ventilator takes over. Go ahead, Paul. I did.

I just did a quick follow-up question so I could squeeze it in there. Do you think, I know during the AIDS pandemic, we actually saw a really, really effective treatment with ECMO. And, in fact, none of our patients that we treated who were extremely severe, none of them actually died. Okay, so hold on. We're getting technical. Let me answer Adam's question,

then I'll explain what you're talking about. So, ventilators are just machines. You put people on a breathing machine. You know, back in the 80s, you saw those. Yeah, yeah. Those don't look like that anymore, but that's what that machine was physically in it no they have a tube in their throat that goes into the trachea and then

goes out to the machine the machine puts the oxygen in and out right that's a ventilator that's a ventilator right and uh he's talking about an extracorporeal oxygenating machine which is actually something that oxygenates the blood outside the body. Right. And those are hard to come by. I heard they were using them occasionally in Italy. So your point that we have to ramp those up, I think is a good one. I had H1N1, by the way, it was brutal. And people forget how bad that pandemic was because we didn't make a big deal out of it but that one was pretty brutal as well right yeah and i was just wondering if we should be considering ramping up production as those as much as we are you know maybe not as much but nearly as we are the ventilators i'm going to predict that if we're not there will be a call for that and it'll probably be an order of yeah you know with ventilators are being called for on a

factor of 10 relative to what we have, which is worst case scenario. They're not going to call out for ECMOs at, you know, 10 times what's available. You know what I mean? They're not going to do that. This could be like, maybe we can double the availability of the extracorporeal oxygen machines. But you see how it's interesting, isn't it? Or use that? No? Okay.

Sorry. It's interesting to me. So, okay. As far as a ventilator goes, you are on a ventilator to essentially assist you in breathing for a specified period of time or an unspecified period of time, but technically until your body gets better so that it can take over on its own. Except that what he and I were just talking about, the positive and expiratory pressure has something.

That's putting oxygen into your blood. No, that's the ECMO thing. That's temporizing also. But the pressure helps with the ARDS. So it has some therapeutic value to add some pressure there. It also can make it worse if you overdo it. So it's a really tightrope walk you've got to do. But your point is well taken.

It's about keeping people supported until they get better. Except now you've got an open conduit into the lungs with the endotracheal tube in a hospital, and bacteria have a way of getting in there. For sure. Now you get a pneumonia on top of that if it goes too long. Let's take a little refresher with a relationship question. How about that, Jess? Clear our palate.

You ready for that? You doing okay? Yeah. Lynn. Yeah. Hey there. clear our palate you ready for that you doing okay yeah lynn yes hey there hi thank you for taking my question i dated a man about 24 years ago and i ended up breaking up with him our roads took different paths and he hasn't really been in a relationship since he did end up having some while he went to a psychological he went into the hospital regarding some problems

um he had recently been through a divorce um and and then my breakup and um i just, he's numb. How do you get a person through that so that he can have a decent life? Are you still in regular contact with him? Yeah, we bumped into each other about 10 years ago and I gave him my phone number and he's always, every so often he calls me, reminisces about the good times that we had, which we did have great times together. But then he won't see me. He won't talk. He just refuses to see me so he can look in my eyes or talk to me one-on-one.

What do you think, Adam? This is someone she dated when she was 24? No, 24 years ago when she 24 years ago when she was 30. And now he then got married, then he got divorced, then he had some emotional, psychological issues. And now he's circling back. He was going through a divorce beforehand. So he had a divorce, then this woman, then Lynn,

and then he just has had no women in the last 20 years all right no relationship now but it sounds like lynn is trying to rekindle something are you um i would like to then again when we stop talking he's the one that calls me back constantly well jura she's like he calls me but he won't look me in the eyes come on idiot jesus that didn't take any brains well here's i would i would say three things one is he may be traumatized by all the ruptures and that may and he may be fearful of exposing himself again he also may be on antidepressant medication that's completely shutting him down sexually and motivationally this happens a lot where on antidepressant medication that's completely shutting him down sexually and motivationally.

This happens a lot where the antidepressants flatten guys out. So that's another possibility. And then if you want to rekindle with him, ask him out. Ask him out on a date. No, that's not going to work. All right. But I'll tell you what would work. You find some event, right? You contact him right you contact him now easy these days right you

contact him right now and you go hey man who knows how long this whole corona thing's going on but i got ourselves a couple of tickets to see cats in uh july you know what i mean yeah at the whatever theater in your town or whatever the event is or whatever the thing is and you go to him that is you know july 17th and if this civilization isn't over by then we're going that night and then he'll go fine because when you're in the middle of all this crap and something is three and a half months away you'll go whatever we'll do it you'll go okay and then periodically you hit him up you go remember i bought the tickets they're expensive here's the date and he'll just go like yeah yeah yeah and then you'll blink your eyes and you'll be

there and that date will be coming up this weekend And at least you'll be looking across the table at him with a glass of wine after you see cats. Now where it goes from there. I don't know. It could be a Kesha concert to be fair. It could be Kesha. It could be Kesha. It could be cats.

It could be Kesha cats concert. It's just as long as there's alliteration. All right. Sound good. Okay. All right. That's interesting yeah sounds great all right good luck lynn but be careful but watch out for those meds those psychotropic meds can really change people's motivation and to me it rings true of that yeah he sounds well

drew is a man of exquisite passion oh yeah maybe maybe and turning down that you've been accusing me of this it's for so many years without my wife in the room so maybe now it's time to get some commentary from her or is that too much for you okay i'm not comfortable with that why why isn't he comfortable he's always comfortable give me shit about it but it's actually bringing it up with glenn look you in the eye he can't do it it's true adam it feels too intimate i feel like we've crossed the line it's kind of gross huh listen i gotta call my mom on the ride home yeah and i don't like calling her because when we do there's that weird part where you have to maybe say i love you at the end

and that feels too weird for me yeah this is kind of like that so this is worse than this is up there it's about same but uh but to be fair, your mom for sure will not be watching this. It's not as though you have exposed yourself to anything she will have seen. She said she's seen every episode that I wasn't on. Right. So she is a fan. Right. In other words, if she were watching these Sunday shows, the Ask Dr. Drew shows, this particular one, she would happen to miss.

Right. But she's a fan and she watches all the ones that will come subsequent to this one and the ones that came before. Right. This is kind of an interesting group we have on our restream and out here in the streaming world. Tell them the story about the Academy Awards. Do you mind? Because it's kind of how that's, that's something your mom was into and was very involved with

and very interested in every year, yes? Yeah, we didn't, as Corollas, we didn't have a team that we followed or tradition or thing or any of that. But as close as we could get to a tradition was my grandfather was in the academy. He had long since sort of retired. It wasn't relevant or anything, but he was still in.

And when you're in, they send you the screeners and scripts and stuff like that. But the only thing we did as a group that I could ever really recall with any consistency is we did go to my grandparents' house who had a color television set that stood on the floor that was, you know, 23 inches across. Wow. And we would go there and watch the Academy Awards every year.

And so as far as, you know, me and automotive and building and comedy and stuff, my seed could find no purchase with my family. But they did like the Academy Awards. Not my dad, but my mom. And your grandma too, right? My grandmother and that sort of thing. And so a couple of years ago when Jimmy was hosting the Academy Awards and I was riding on the Academy Awards, I did think, well, this could be the one.

You know, the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach, like, eh-heh, Man Show, Loveline, whatever. But this could be the one that kind of grabs them. No such luck. My mom announced, I think my wife asked her at some point, what did you think of the Academy Awards? And she announced that it was a little hit and miss, but also that she hadn't watched it, which I always loved to. I'm like, wow, two insults you didn't think you could get. Yeah.

So not a fan, not a, no questions about Jimmy, which I always find. He is dead to them after hosting the Academy Awards twice. Because you knew him. That's the problem. Absolutely. It's not his fault. But he shall pay the price. My God, that's so funny.

All right, let me look at the restream here quickly, guys. I'm looking at you guys. Any questions on the restream here quickly, guys. I'm looking at you guys. Any questions on the restream? Boy, there's a lot of stuff here, but nothing question-wise. So let me go back to calls. This is Shauna. There we go. This call thing, you have to hit it exactly right.

Shauna, what's up? Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. I just wanted to call and say thank you for everything that you've done for pretty much

all of us that have been tuned in and keeping our anxieties down. I suffer from severe anxiety, so I just want to say thank you. It's my privilege. Maybe it's because I'm an anxious person, too, that I can relate, or I see the panic coming and it affects me so much, or I feel it in the vapors and it's disturbing me. Adam actually

played a role in me getting over my... Adam helped me with panic attacks. There's now a new sort of philosophy. There's a good book called Dare. It's not new to me. Called Dare in terms of dealing with panic. And Adam adopted the dare policy. How long was it? 1998 or something?

That you dared me? When I implemented it. You implemented it, yes. I mean, the latest it would have been would have been 99. Yeah, yeah. So it's been over 20 years since I've been practicing my dare process so so i had a panic attack on the set of loveless much like you heard with steve a little while ago adam's main concern when he's doing a production is that it should slow down or have to be redone right

that's your main concern my main concern is getting out right get it over with get out that's right and so we would film three or four shows a day we were were naive. We didn't know there was anything unusual about that. We would just change our clothes, do another, change our clothes, do another. And one day I got in a fight with Jon Favreau. I would argue with him. I was like, I'm not changing my pants or my shit. That's a waste of time. Right.

Why not just change the top? Right. And fine. And we didn't care. We're just doing shows, shows, shows. And to be fair, we did two hours of radio every night night it didn't bother us to do three hours of television and uh and i had a fight with john favreau because he was telling a very mental seriously mentally ill person not to take his medication i was like that you can don't do that and we got in a fight

right i i don't remember i i remember john favreau's name coming up at some point or later. I don't remember an incident that triggered it. Okay. So the next show, we had some band in there. And about two minutes into the show, I was like, I got to take a break. And I'm having a panic attack. And I get off the set for a second, go into my dressing room. And in comes Adam through the door.

Door flies open, and Adam presents me with... You tell the story, Drew. No, come on. You're a good storyteller. Come on. I'm tired. You go. All right. He said... Which Jon Favreau? Jon Favreau, the director and actor.

Adam said, if I have to spend 10 more minutes here than is absolutely necessary, I'm going to kick your ass, so get on out there, as I recall to spend 10 more minutes here than is absolutely necessary, I'm going to kick your ass, so get on out there, as I recall. Is that about right? I probably didn't say absolutely necessary. I just went, get the hell out there. Get the hell out there.

We're getting this done. Get it together. Get out there right now. Go. Scram. Which I did. No, I said, I'll do all the talking. Yes, you did say that, too.

You go have your fucking panic attack out there. Sit there anyway. Why don't you just sit there and get something done? To be fair, you coached me up, too, to just lean in, too. I didn't do a lot of coaching. I just said, I don't want to be here any longer. I don't have to be here. I don't understand why you need to have your invisible panic attack in your room.

I don't care if you have it or not but go have it out there let's crank it up and i'm i'm sure you'll just you'll slide back into it as as the questions start coming in or whatever and i guess that's what happened i experienced it as though you coaching me up a bit just saying well i was coaching you up by saying get out and go live don't start eating your own tail. You're going into a spiral. Here, just go. Right.

That was my coaching. But really, coaching isn't what you want in that situation. You want someone yelling at you, get up and move. Right, which is what you did. Right. Right. But you had a little coaching in there, too, so I appreciate it. That is the coaching.

The benefit of what I did was yelling at you to move, not it's going to be better if you move. Oh, no. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't say move. No, no. I didn't experiencing you being directive in the sense that I could expect improvement.

It was just directive in the sense of get off the couch, get the hell in there. What are you laughing at? More of a charm. All right, Drew. Unfortunately, I have to go do my own pod now. All right, let me just do one quick thing and say that Aaron is asking about hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. I will tell you the doctors are using it rather routinely.

They are enthusiastic about it. We don't have the formal data yet. There's also people advocating it for prophylaxis. There's evidence that in certain parts of Africa they don't get this virus because they're taking hydroxychloroquine for malaria. So there's a lot of enthusiasm about this now, but no real hard data yet. Just a lot of anecdote. So there's a couple of studies out of France, a couple of studies out of China that people are pointing to as the evidence that things are right are going to work. But again, also by the end of the week, we're going to have some more data on that.

So we're going to find out where we are on the curve by the end of the week, we're going to have some more data on that. So we're going to find out where we are on the curve by the end of the week. And if we are anywhere around 60,000, we're in pretty good shape. And if there's evidence on how to- 60,000 cases in the US. Yes. If we're anywhere around that- How many deaths? What kind of deaths are you looking at?

If we stay at 1%, I think we're still doing- Are we at 1% now? Yeah. Well, it goes back and forth a little bit. But if we're at overall 1%, something up? No? You keep looking over that. 1%.

Okay. And that will be a pretty good situation. It's a lot of people, I understand, but it's not the millions that were predicted. And it's not a blink to go from 60,000 to a million. You kind of have the rate of change under control at that point. And if on top of that, the hydroxychloroquine is working, we're going to be in a pretty good situation. But who knows?

We have to see where we get by the end of the week. So everybody calm down, hang in there, take the Sabbath, as Adam is suggesting, and pick up I'm Your Emotional Support Animal. Go ahead and navigating our all-woke, no-joke culture is the subtitle of Adam's book. You can go to drdrew.com slash Adam book and of course, drdrew.com go.drdrew.com. I beg your pardon.

So it's go.drdrew.com slash Adam book and check that out. And then watch, listen to me and Adam. So where should we send people to get our podcast? Podcast one? Yeah. Go to podcast one. My stuff's all adamcarolla.com. Okay, and then do we, anything else to promote?

Go to Chassis, C-H-A-S-S-Y.com, get all our movies. We have all the links to the podcast on drdrew.com too. All right. And it's on iTunes. And do, if you go see, you know, the Ford v Ferrari movie is spun off of the documentary that Adam did on the same. The movie is called The 24-Hour War. The 24-Hour War.

Which is a much better name. Yeah, exactly. But he really documents exactly what happened in that Ford v. Ferrari story in real life. And the Uppity documentary, tell them just a little bit about that because it's so good uh black driver at indy and uh just the trials and tribulations of driving and driving a nascar in the south and being black in the 70s and it's just there's a lot there look we've had major film companies come to us and say, this is a feature. How do we do this as a feature?

So I'm, I'm not, well, I am bragging, but what I'm saying is, is obviously if major companies see the doc and go, we got to make this into a movie, then it's a good doc.

Yeah. And Willie T is a great guy. That's the only thing to support him. And then Susan, before we wrap up, do you want to talk about that? The New York City shelter? Should we push that again, anybody?

Sure. Go ahead. Do you have it? All right. That was a sweet move you guys did. Jesus Christ. I want to really thank Adam for coming in. I really, really appreciate it.

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