Ask Dr. Drew - Ask Dr. Drew - George Papadopoulos & Simona Mangiante - Episode 9

Episode Date: February 13, 2020

George Papadopoulos is the author of Deep State Target and a former member of the foreign policy advisory panel to Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. Simona Mangiante is a lawyer, model, and former legal advisor to the presidency office of the European Parliament. They discuss the tragic death of Kobe Bryant, why Simona was investigated as a suspected spy, George's new podcast, and more from viewer calls. Missed the live show? Get an alert next time Dr. Drew is taking calls: http://drdrew.tv Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (@KalebNation) and Susan Pinsky (@FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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are starting to use this. And we are going to have a major, major breakthrough in terms of limiting needle sticks and all that goes with that. Here with me today is George Papadopoulos. His book is Deep State. There it is. Deep State Target. There he is. Hi, George. How I Got Caught and the Crosshairs of the Plot to Bring Down President Trump. We're going to get into the book with George. We're going to have his wife, Simona Mangiante, in here. We're going to take your calls. But before we get into this, I can't not talk about the Kobe Bryant story.

I mean, we'll visit it here a few times during the show. I think most people are aware he died today in a helicopter accident with one of his daughters. We are hearing nine people died. That's now confirmed that we don't know who is amongst those nine. I have my own Colby story. I'm going to tell that story as we go along here. Is that what you're nodding your head about, Ms. Producer? Yes, she wants to hear the Colby story, and it's a great story.

I spent quite a bit of time on the phone with him. Whatever you hear about him being a great guy, it's not just in his absence that I would say this. I had nothing but extraordinary experience with him, a bright, just a great guy. And so we'll try to visit his memory here, but George,

thank you for joining me. Appreciate it. You know, we got to meet your wife and she's going to be back. And that's right. You guys went to Italy. We tried to get you in here, but you're touring the world and you were touring it right as a Russian

operative, right? You were, you were there on behalf of Russia. Is that what happened? Or Ukraine? Which one? Well, I guess a lot of different countries. I was in some sort of operative for at least five different countries. Is that what they're claiming in this? Depending on which news cycle you're following or which headline you're reading. Well, I got to say, they cast you both well, particularly your wife. I had to cast a Russian operative. I'm like, that's more, she's role so she ought to maybe have to talk to a casting director because if there are roles for for a female spy she she's got it the problem with the country today and i want to get right at this

we have this obsession with narratives that's right it's i've never seen anything like it facts aren't the issue persuasion has become become sort of the means whereby people are moved these days rather than logic and persuasion. But one of the side effects of all this is a narrative emerges, and if the narrative sounds good or satisfies some tribal instincts, they cling to it, and that's it. That's just the truth. And I think that's what you got caught in.

That's absolutely correct. What we saw for the last two years were essentially these ironclad ideology almost, where people were following it blindly, where the president was a Russian asset. His members of his campaign were conspiring with the Russian government. This was ironclad. It was infallible. We couldn't basically abdicate from that particular truth. Narrative. It's a's a narrative that narrative whatever you wanted to i remember seeing i saw footage of uh not clapper but uh what's his name uh what's who does he used to the morning show now he's at his own show anyways he was saying that day in infamy we now have a russian operative in the white in the oval office i thought you're you're saying that

as a reporter reporting the facts. It's too much. It's too much. Cuomo. It was Cuomo. I saw him do it. It was Cuomo, and actually it should really act as a harbinger, I guess, for the future, for journalists not really rushing into establishing narratives without a basis rooted in logic and facts, or else what's going to happen is the journalists are going to be left with egg on their face like a lot of these journalists are today and i think they're pretty are they do you think

the journalists give a damn you know did you get apologies from them that they fall on their swords is there a lead article in any one of their journals that says george i'm sorry you know not all of them but uh and and actually nothing personal to me or even some of the other people who were caught up in this incredible story but um I was watching CNN, and I have nothing against CNN. I worked at CNN for a long time. I've had wonderful interviews on CNN, and actually my first interview where I started to speak about my story with my wife was with Jake Tapper.

And Jake Tapper himself, just last week or so, actually started to come out a bit and say, look, we were basically a little bit fooled here, and this shouldn't happen again, and we're actually going to be digging into facts with a lot more scrutiny moving forward. I am glad to hear him say that. So I was very happy to see that

because their reputation is at stake here. Well, their ratings are way down. But you said the journalist you opened was saying the journalists have to watch their narratives or they will end up with an egg on their face. But it's this. It's the internet that they're trying to keep up with and all the nonsense that shows up on your social media feed that gets the eyes that they're competing with, right? And so that's what motivates them to do this.

Well, Twitter really has become an incredible platform. I mean, Twitter and my wife actually going on TV before I could actually speak. Because you were in prison. I was on the way to those 11 horrendous nights for something that we now realize was corrupt at its core. And that's not me saying it. The Department of Justice just a couple days ago deemed that these warrants and all this surveillance against us was illegal. So this was a very dark moment, I think, in American history. I hope that we as a nation do heal and come together moving forward. Is this what's motivating you to run for Congress?

That's actually the main reason I am running for Congress, because when I go around the country, not just in California, but in Florida, Illinois, New York, and I speak at these major, I don't want to call them rallies, but conferences. Events. There's one question that people always ask me is, would you consider running for Congress? This is before I considered running for Congress because we need somebody to hold people accountable. We understand if you run as a Republican or as a Democrat or as a moderate,

you're going to. They don't care anymore. They don't care. They want a sane, healthy person who serves the people. That's exactly right. That's what they want. They don't want those political theater. And answers.

I'm getting the same thing. I see it. I see it. I see it. And I made the huge mistake of going, you know, I live in Schiff's district. Maybe I should. And that became he or he's going. And people started wanting to donate to no campaign. I'm not running.

I've said it and said it and said it. I'm not running. Not right now. Anyway, when George wins, I'll visit him, see how he likes it, and then maybe then. California needs us. So where are you running? So we're running in the 25th Congressional District. It's the district that Katie Hill recently resigned from.

It was a national story, as you probably well remember. I've been pretty vocal about that. I'm not sure exactly why she actually resigned, if it just had to do with this revenge porn case, because I think it doesn't matter if you're on the right or the left. What happened to her was not okay. Not okay. I think she was pushed out. Something else was going on. Yeah, but I think she kind of put the blame on other than the people I think pushed her out, which was her left, the left. I think the Nancy

Pelosi's and whatever just said, we can't deal with this right now. You got to go. That's exactly what I think happened. She resigned very quickly. And there were obviously other rumors that there were some malfeasance going on behind the scenes in her office besides simply the sex scandal. So you think there's something else there also? I believe so. Because when somebody raises $6.5 million to win a congressional seat that was historically Republican, as she did at a relatively young age, I think she's around my age, 31, 32. And then to resign without even fulfilling one term. There's something else going on there.

Interesting. Well, she didn't show good judgment. I will give her that. And I agree with you. I think the way it was put to her was not okay. It was not okay. I didn't like that at all. And unfortunately,

when she spoke at her resignation, I thought she spoke beautifully, by the way, she laid the blame in the wrong place, even though the issue I thought was just was right. It's not okay. Yeah. And I think, of course, she's a Democrat. She's going to be against Donald Trump. And unfortunately, that's actually a symptom of the system. And this is why in my campaign, we're not taking lobbyist money. We're not taking PAC money. All of our money is grassroots, small donors, individual donors. We just crossed 2,500 individual donors. And we've almost raised as much money as Steve Knight, who was a previous congressman in that district. And the reason I'm mentioning this is because I don't know who Katie Hill was actually talking for when she was resigning. Was it the small donors? Was it her constituents? Or was it

the super PACs and the lobbyists who gave her the 6.5 million? And it distorts her message. I mean, you mentioned she spoke beautifully, but she put the blame and she apportioned the blame to the wrong people. I agree with you. That's what I thought. We have a call. I don't know what this means. I hope I'm not getting anything off track here, but it's for you, and let's go ahead and take it. This is Richard, who's watching us up in Montreal. Richard, do you have a question for George? Yes.

Hi, George. Thank you for everything that you do, by the way, and I bought your book. I read it. It was very informative. I'd like to know has John Durham interviewed you? Because if he hasn't interviewed you, a lot of people don't believe it's a serious investigation. Richard, hold on a second, buddy. George isn't hearing you for some reason.

Is that correct? Yeah, no, I don't hear anything, no. Okay, I'm going to translate for you, Richard, until we fix that technical problem. He loved your book. Oh, great. But he wants to know, are you still speaking to John Durham or doing an interview with him? Oh, so I can't speak about my interactions regarding an ongoing criminal investigation. Is that into you or is that into their behavior? It's into, not into my behavior, it's into the behavior of the investigators looking into myself and Donald Trump and others.

Right, everybody else that got inspired. So, I mean, just so people can understand what's happening here, the John Durham probe and the Horowitz report that just came out was looking into the conduct of the FBI and the other intel agencies against the Donald Trump campaign. We're going to switch headsets on you so you can hear Richard when we get him back on the line here. Okay. So the behavior of the intelligence community, essentially. Is it okay if I...

Yeah, we're right ahead. Move on. Pay no attention. Oh, now I hear it. There you go. So the behavior of the intelligence community. Yes. Yeah, keep going.

Yes. So the Durham probe that's ramping up over the last, let's say, four or five months is looking into the illegal criminal behavior of both the CIA and the FBI and high-level Obama administration officials. Let me ask this. If they really believed their narrative, they had an obligation to do some of the stuff they were doing, right? Even though the means whereby they came to that narrative was, I don't have a good word for it. It was astonishing. But once they convinced themselves, they really had an obligation to be very aggressive, right?

It's one thing if you have a theory to look into if there's probable cause for a crime. In this case, based on the news we had a couple days ago, there was no probable cause. That's why these warrants were illegal. It's another issue, and that's what I believe the John Durham probe is looking into, is the manufacturing of fake evidence to therefore target American citizens. Got it. manufacturing of fake evidence to therefore target American citizens. Got it. And that's what I think Durham is looking into and why a lot of these people have lawyered up.

Richard, does that get your question answered? Yeah, the reason why I'm asking is when John Huber was appointed to look into Uranium One, John Huber never even interviewed the informant, the main informant who had all the information. So that's why I'm asking George if John Durham has interviewed him, because if he hasn't, then it's another investigation that the American people don't believe in. It means that it's just basically running out the clock on President Trump just to get to the next

election, to make like they're looking, they're doing something, but they're not, because John Huber did nothing. He didn't even interview the informant, Mr. Campbell. Richard, let me ask you something. You're in Montreal. Why do you have this level of interest and the political intrigue in the United States?

Are you American? No, I'm not an American, but what goes on in the United States is very important. I think it won't be good for the world if the Democrats come into power in 2020 with their policies on immigration and sympathy for the iranian government and iran that's just i just hope president trump wins but people have to be held accountable what they did to george what they did

to general flynn what they did to the president what they did to this country so that's why i'm asking you if george was at least interviewed by John Durham because John Hubert didn't even interview the informant for Uranium One. Thank you, Richard. I'm sure he understands what I mean. Let's let George answer that. Go ahead, George. So as I mentioned, I can't delve into details regarding an ongoing criminal investigation because John Durham's investigation is not simply an administrative review. This is an ongoing criminal investigation looking into the

activities of the CIA, foreign governments including Ukraine, Italy, Australia, the UK, and high-level Obama State Department figures. So while the Mueller probe was looking into, I mean, we all understand it was all fantasy, this criminal investigation is looking into real substantive issues and real people that my book, if you've read my book, you could kind of see it coming to life almost weekly. Anytime there's new headlines regarding where this investigation is going, an individual from my book is in on a headline. So I cannot comment just to summarize on whether I've been interviewed or not, but I can say that I did

testify behind closed doors to the House Oversight Committee about a year and a half ago, and that was around the time when the Durham probe launched. So I'll leave it at that for now. Are you angry with all this? I can't imagine how you could not be frustrated and angry, the helplessness you must have felt when this was going on. I felt angry for what our country went through, because it's not really just about myself or even President Trump or Paul Manafort or Michael Flynn. This is really all about the trust that we as Americans hold in institutions

that we are supposed to revere. It's about the rule of law. It's about justice, accountability, and trust. And if everyday Americans look at the news and see that the FBI or the CIA was plotting, I don't want to call it a coup, but, you know, that's a word that's been used a lot. How can an everyday American, an average Joe out there,

or, you know, a working-class family, feel comfortable around law enforcement moving forward. So I think that's the deleterious long-term effect. Not just law enforcement. I feel like, as a physician, I know if there's a malpractice action, they can find a problem with something I did. You can always find an I that isn't dotted or a T that's not crossed. It's not been the letter of what you're supposed to do where some liability occurs. And I, as a citizen of the United States, feel like if, I think that's my camera, right? Yes. If the United States, if the feds come after me for anything, they will find something. They will find a way to catch me

in something. That's their goal. They don't care about the truth. They care about catching me in something. What do they catch you in? Well, I don't like to quote maniacal genocide dictators like Stalin, but Stalin actually said something very similar to what you just expressed. And he said, show me the man and I will find the crime. Okay. This is Stalin who just basically said exactly what you just stated. It is exactly. And I understand bureaucracies are set up that way, but ours was not supposed to be. Look, in my situation, what happened was there was a lying charge. There was a very chaotic moment

where I'm interviewed with the FBI and after my 302s were just declassified. What's a 302? A 302 basically is the summary that the FBI writes up after an interview. They had at least 20 of those from the various people they interviewed. And in my case, they basically said, he didn't lie to us. He actually was trying to help us. And then when I didn't want to wear a wire against one of these people that apparently is at the core of the entire scandal, Joseph Mifsud. That's your wife's boss or partner or whatever he was.

I heard the name, but I don't quite understand what the thing was. It's an incredible- That's how she got hooked into it too. She got hooked into it. That's why there was a lot of curiosity about her as well as her connections to politics in Europe. It's an incredible story of actually how we even met. So Mifsud, you were supposed to wear a wire and go in there.

Would that have been dangerous? Well, think of it this way. 48 hours before this offer, I tell the FBI everything I know about this individual who I had not seen for nine months. And I tell them, why would I wear a wire against somebody I haven't seen, I have no real relationship with, and I told you everything I know about him, and you're the professionals here. And we actually saw it in the transcript, because I guess most of my interview with these gentlemen was being transcribed and it was just recently released due to a BuzzFeed lawsuit. And I tell them I have nothing to do with it. And then after that, there's actually more surveillance on me. They were never looking for my help. It seems like they just wanted to get me to create this narrative that George Papadopoulos, this guy in these black sunglasses wearing a suit and tie. Oh yeah. You guys, you got to stop looking like a spy. Both of you,

will you stop looking so Italian? I mean, do you remember when my name first came out, it was constantly the one picture with me with the sunglasses. Yeah. It's this one. It's this picture. It's this picture. That's him as the spy. This looks like the little vignettes you see in Mob Wife. Right? So by crafting the narrative, what do you do? You get this younger guy dressed in the suit and tie right outside Harrods in London with a briefcase and sunglasses. I'm in.

He is talking to a Russian agent. You should write a movie about this. And there should be a question there, whether you're really a Spartan. We are on Hollyweird, Dr. Drewson. So who knows? I think I'm going to get on that because it's too good. It's too crazy. And so somehow you say something or you have two inconsistent responses in one of the 203s or something. Is that what happened? And apparently because what they got me on was because I said, oh, I met him before I joined the Trump campaign, but I really met him when I joined the Trump campaign. They said this was a material lie. It affected U.S. national security. So because of that, we had to violently arrest him at an airport. So you

mistimed your original contact with Mifsud. It was, was it before or at the time of the Trump, you were working for the Trump? What were you doing for Trump? So basically my career was one of these linear type of careers as a young analyst in D.C. I worked in D.C. for five years before I got into presidential campaign politics. I worked at a conservative think tank called the Hudson Institute.

Which is a conservative think tank. Yeah, some of my colleagues over there were people who were running the Pentagon in the White House under Bush and Reagan, Scooter Libby, who was obviously the chief of staff of Dick Cheney and Douglas Fythe, who was running the Pentagon under Rumsfeld. So I had those bona fides. I ended up joining Ben Carson's campaign and Donald Trump's campaign as a foreign policy advisor. I'm a huge Ben Carson fan. Great guy. Great guy. We got to teach him how to speak publicly. That's his only weakness. He doesn't come across on TV and at the podium the way I know him to be.

Well, and that's part of politics. It's not what you say. It's how you say it. And optics really matters. And optics are reality. So I agree. He's very cerebral. Obviously, he's a neuroscientist.

Yeah, I've been working on the homeless thing diligently and and i've had to have some medical conversations with him and you know when you when you're a resident you're on call overnight and when you've been up all night at six in the morning you hand off to other doctors and you give them a report the morning you go here's this case and it's all very shorthand because you want to you need to give them the basics and let them take over and you go to bed and uh he and i had that kind of exchange and i felt like he was he was just a hoover he was just sucking up everything i said he got it he got it he got it he got it guys brilliant and uh and i just thought to myself oh we got to get him speaking better at the podium

because that's where his weakness is that's it and as secretary of hud he's dealing with the homeless issue and oh he's coming he's gonna take – I have faith that man's going to – something's going to happen soon. I saw those pictures with you at the White House, and I'm sure you were talking to – That's where I spent the afternoon. It was him. Him and Azar. Both amazing people. So Secretary Azar is the HHS, and Secretary Carson is HUD.

And that stuff I'm worried about is people and housing and medication and the medical system. And those two guys are good guys to have in charge, humbly. It's really a horrible, horrible situation we're living in here in California. I mean, I've had the privilege to make California home just for the last year and a half. We're going on two years with my wife, but it doesn't take somebody who was born and raised in California to look around and to see that there is a major, major homeless issue and there's a drug problem. There's a mental health crisis that reverberates throughout not only my district, but the entire state. The state, I was up in Sacramento and I gave a talk. I was angry. I noticed I'm yelling a lot

on the footage we have here at the beginning. Then I was yelling about the opiate crisis. That's what was getting me crazy. And finally, it was actually Jeff Sessions that really took care of that. People don't understand. Because I was at that opiate conference and Sessions goes, you know, I'm going to take care of this. I'm going to go get these over-prescribers. And the way my profession is, when you start getting doctors criminally for anything,

we freeze. We stop doing everything and just won't do whatever that thing was. We all just sort of stay away from it. And that's what changed it. Now, so the prescribing went all the way, the urinacy data goes all the way down, but the heroin and the fentanyl went up, right? Because we abandoned these patients that we'd created as addicts. And in this state, we've made through Prop 47, Prop 57, essentially legal to use in traffic drugs and to steal to support it. So they come. They come by the tens of thousands. And that's exactly why I think immigration and the wall, it's not just simply about preventing unvetted migrants from around the world to come through,

but it's about these illicit drugs that are permeating through the border and reaching California. I guess that's where it's coming from. It's probably true. But the bigger problem, the interesting thing in relation to the immigration crisis is, so we're a sanctuary state here and we welcome people in. This city, the city of Los Angeles, has absorbed conservatively 1.5 million undocumented workers. They're not on the street. They found housing. Where's the housing crisis? One and a half million people without a job,

without a passport, without a family, without anything managed to find housing. How the hell is our homeless problem a housing problem? Give me a break. It's insulting for them to maintain that position. Yes, we need environments of care. We need more psychiatric facilities, and they can be community-based, they can be vocational rehab, and they can be

very rural. Look at the big model people are finally talking about is in San Antonio, Haven House. And it's great. And Marbut, the guy who's in charge of homeless for the White House, ran it for 20 years or something. So good, let's go do that.

Don't give me any BS about housing. We do need low-income housing. Don't get me wrong. We do need that in this state, and I wish we did a better job of it the way New York does. New York says, if you're going to build a building,

20% is low-income housing, and that's that. Good, let's do something like that, but don't even think it's going to have anything to do with the homeless. Nothing. So what is it like in the district where you're running?

Oh, let me just also say real quick before we do, I'm watching the restream. I'm watching your guys' comments on Facebook and Twitter and elsewhere. And the Kobe thing is catching people's, of course, attention and emotions. I will be happy to address it as we go along here. Those of you who have not heard, I'm mortified to be the one to report that Kobe Bryant has died this morning in a helicopter accident, along with eight other people, one of whom for sure was his daughter. We don't know whom else was on the plane. So, you know, we'll keep giving you updates as we have them. And I'll let you finish, and then I'll tell my Kobe story. So what's going on in your district?

So my district is a middle class district. We just opened up our campaign office in Simi Valley. There's been tremendous support. People understand that I'm not from California originally, and we recently were transplants here. So that's not an issue. Because like I said, we've raised almost as much money as my competitor, Steve Knight, who was the former congressman, and he's dealing with PACs and a lot of money from, and he was recently endorsed by Kevin McCarthy, who was the house minority leader himself. So there's a Kevin McCarthy and there's a Kevin McCarty, right?

In the, in the, in the state Senate, in the state legislature, this is the Congressman. Oh, I see. Okay. Right. There's McCarty in the Senate in the state legislature and McCarthy is, is, is federal McCarthy. Got it. Got it. Got it. And, and I noticed that there's people yearn for me to be in the district. That's one thing that they constantly say to me. We want you here.

We want to just shake your hand. We want to meet you on a face-to-face personal basis and just hear what you have to say. What are your prescriptions for our social, economic, and political woos? How are you going to deal with the administration? Are you going to be a pro-Trump, pro-administration congressman How are you going to deal with the administration? Are you going to be a pro-Trump, pro-administration congressman? Are you going to be a rhino? Are you going to be-

What's a rhino? A rhino is a Republican in name only. And that's, it's a term that I- I think I want to be a dino. Well, you could also be a Kennedy Democrat. And, you know, Kennedy was for, he was anti-abortion. He was pro-gun.

And I think I'm a Clinton Democrat, really. I mean, a Bill Clinton Democrat. I think that's sort of my thing. Well, and I don't believe in individuals having to recoil to the extremes of any position. And in this era that we're living in, the left is extreme left. There is real no center ground. Yeah, but don't you feel like most people that are not on the media or not speaking up in Congress are in the middle

ground? Most Americans sort of want that middle ground? At least non... Depends where you are, right? I mean, obviously in New York City, it's probably pretty polarized, but most of the country, most people are kind of in the middle. They just want a government that serves our needs. Exactly. I think people... And what's

government's duty? To protect everyday citizens' security and livelihoods, right? And as long as we're doing that, doesn't matter if you're on the right or the left, that's what people are going to vote in. And unfortunately, I think the Democrats today just do not have a winning platform. They've gone too far to the left. People like Bernie Sanders are going on national television trying to articulate a policy in which they have no idea how they're going to actually pay for it. How is Elizabeth Warren going to provide Medicare for all? Are you going to raise $50 trillion in new taxes? Well, she was going to have a 1% wealth tax,

and I'm just going to pay it that way. Because people don't understand compounding, they don't understand negative compounding. That is going to really erode this country's economic well-being. More importantly, there's a couple people online here. I'm watching the stream. I want to know, did we coordinate our outfits? Much more important. So that's where I'm going for today. No, we did not.

But we have maybe the same wife who got in our case. So here's somebody who wants to ask a very specific question. It's actually directed at me, but I want to hear your response to it. David, go ahead. Hey, what's up, Dr. Drew? Hi, question. It's actually directed at me, but I want to hear your response to it. David, go ahead. Hey, what's up, Dr. Drew? Hi, Dave. What's going on? Hey, I heard that you may run against Adam Schiff for...

See, I mean... I'm good. Do it. No, I'm not running. Thank you for saying so, but I'm not running. But go ahead. Oh, you're not? Oh, man, you should, dude.

Come on, man. LA loves la loves you man you've been here with us from back way in the day i know you and all that you're right david david you're so right and it's and you're not alone i've had many people implore me to do it uh it's it's a deep honor to have something it's a very extraordinary thing when people say, you know, Dave, what I realized is how we Americans cherish our vote. I mean, when people come up to you and say, you have my vote, they do it in a way that it almost feels like a religious communion. Like this is something really important and I'm offering it to you. It was deeply moving to have many people do that and then offer money to help and blah, blah, blah. With ambivalence, and maybe

that's why the story keeps going, that I said I'm not running now. My family's not ready for it. I'm not ready for it. I do feel, David, I do feel like I have to do something. I feel like I have to do something, just the way you do. I do too, man. I do too because, you know what,

Dr. Drew, I've lived in la 50 years and i've never seen it this bad no it's never it's never been like it is horrible listen it's never been like this i i mean you'd have to go to 11th century westminster to find this you know what i mean or bubonic plague it's coming believe me Now, that coronavirus, if that gets in the homeless, forget it. Forget it, guys. Forget it. Yeah, dude. It's terrible.

And you know, I live right here by Marina Del Rey, and the homeless are all over the freeway and the bushes. I mean, it's ridiculous, man. Ridiculous. It just drives me crazy, man. And I wanted to ask you because i thought you were going to run but i was going to ask you about what would your response what would your response be or what would you support uh in fact that i i read today that uh iran hit us with three

missiles at our embassy in iraq today and i was wondering like you know if you're gonna run i want to know like what would your position be on that? Let me tell you. I am not one to go, we created this mess, we got it. All that goes without saying. We created this mess. We did. We did. But unfortunately, because we created it, we also have to finish it.

That would be my sort of basic policy. And I would, I'll hear what you have to say, George, but my position would be, I'd go to the professionals. What do the, not to saying blindly listen to the military people, but I would go to the professional

and go, what do you recommend? What are my options? What do you think is the right thing to do here? Give me, and I got to tell you, when I was teaching medical students and residents, I always told them,

I don't care, you defend your position, defend your decision, tell me what you want to do and why, but you're going to be wrong. You're going to be wrong a lot of the time. And I will not hold you accountable for that. I'm going to hold you accountable for the plan you have if you are wrong. And if you don't have a plan to be wrong, I will crucify you because somebody will die. And I feel the same way about military planning. Exactly. You do need to talk to the experts, and those are the generals on the ground and the troops on the ground. But what I really think is happening today with Iran, this is saber rattling.

I mean, we've been dealing with Iran and the saber rattling since 79. We just took out the number two person in the entire country, Soleimani. I will make the argument that this was a premeditated strike with intense collaboration among the great powers in the region, including Israel, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Saudi, Saudi. I think there was a death wish on Soleimani himself. I think what's happening today in the Middle East, it harkens back to centuries ago about the balance of powers. I think people are happy with how things have ended up in the Middle East today. The Russians have protected their naval installation in Syria. U.S. troops are in Syria and Iraq.

Turkey has its own troops in the north. And Israel, in their greater frontier, is defended against a very weakened Syrian military force. So Soleimani, on the other hand, was trying to upend this somewhat stable situation by instigating attacks on the U.S. embassy, financing insurrections around the Middle East and North Africa. I mean, let's not forget, he was responsible for the death of Christopher Stevens, Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Libya. So there probably was a death wish on this guy. Of course, Iran was going to have a symbolic strike against America for what happened, just to save face. And that's exactly what I think this is. So I don't think we need to up the... No, yeah. We don't need to amputate. Heat it up. We don't need to heat anything up,

let things cool off. Yeah, I would agree with you on that. It's all about saving face right now. Yeah, and I think it seems like, I mean, I noticed, you never know what Trump is thinking, but he was sort of reaching out to the Iranian people and that's, I think, the right approach,

which is it's that government, that many of the people, we think a majority, 60%, and we have a problem with. And by the way, if they would just keep to themselves, we wouldn't have a problem with them. But it's the saber rattling that apparently was this guy's thing, Soleimani. Anyway, I don't know enough about that to really comment. I really don't. And I feel like not even a dilettante. Let's go to some more calls if I really don't. And I feel like not even a dilettante. Let's go to

some more calls if I can get it. Oh my goodness. These are hard calls. Let me revisit before I go to somebody's calls, the Kobe Bryant story, if you guys don't mind, very quickly, which is if anybody is just coming onto this show, Kobe Bryant died this morning in a helicopter

accident. It persuaded me I'm not going to be riding in helicopters, although I was very fascinated with the idea of doing so. I've now dropped that. It's even something I'm contemplating doing. His daughter was with him as well as seven other people beyond he and his daughter. It's a tragedy. Los Angeles, if those of you around the country don't know, people are in the streets, not demonstrated, they're in the streets sharing, commun're a Los Angelian. So my story with Kobe, although I,

although I was there when they won the first championship, the NBA championship, I was there that night, but later my wife, Susan and I were, somebody gave us courtside seats, which if you ever have an opportunity to take courtside seats, I'm suggesting you don't.

You better, you're more like you're, you're better off trying heroin because, because it's such an extraordinary experience that you will never, you'll have trouble watching basketball again. But we were there and it was the Raptors before they were a powerhouse and the Lakers, the Raptors were sort of coming on them. And the Lakers were behind. There was like five seconds left in the game, side out Lakers. We were directly across the court from the Laker bench,

and the buzzer rings, and they all start walking down the court. There's five seconds left. They're down by two, and Kobe is walking coolly as he always does, and he starts walking towards our end of the, of the, uh, the sidelines where we're sitting right there on court level. And he does one of these, like, like, uh, give me that, give me that camera. I guess I have to do it. It gives you one of these like right at me. And I'm like, I'm literally, I'm like, whoa, I know he's looking over here, but it couldn't be me. This is Pinsky because because there's only two seconds left, is doing this. She's in the inner seat like this.

And he just keeps walking towards me. And I thought, oh, there's got to be somebody behind me that he's talking to. And he got about 15 yards away, maybe 10 yards away. And he just goes, a couple more of these. And he goes, hey, we need to chit chat about Jody Arias. Apparently, the Laker locker room played the Jody Arias trial continuously.

They were preoccupied with it. I had an HLN program where we covered this story back-to-back. This is the real beat of the story. He goes, we need to chit-chat about Jody Arias. Turns, gets the ball, drives the baseline, boom, tie game, they end up winning the game.

It was the coolest thing I've ever seen any human do. That's Kobe Bryant. And by the way, he was as good as his word. He called me, and we chit-chatted about Jody Aguirre for about an hour or so, and they could not have been a brighter, kinder, more engaging human being than Kobe Bryant, and he will be missed this is a tragedy it makes me emotional thinking about it and uh we in los angeles especially are just and if if more than you know i i really my heart now is with the mom who i don't know how she

lives goes on living i'm sure she has tons of support but it's just such a massive loss for her okay that said uh goes on living. I'm sure she has tons of support, but it's just such a massive loss for her. Okay. That said, this is interesting. I got a bunch of kind of interesting things. Let me do this. This is Chris. Sorry, Chris. Hey, Chris, you have a kind of interesting question there. Go ahead. Oh, great. Well, I was on your show a couple weeks ago my father founded the pritikin longevity center yeah it was a founding director thank you and so this line this line of thinking that i've been looking into over the last 20 years is that our leaders are traumatized and it's in a book called the politics of denial and so they have psychic numbing and so they can't feel the suffering of the people well uh who i was talking to somebody chris about oh i was talking to james fallon last week who's a

a neuroscientist and uh he's an expert in psychopathy and to some extent narcissism. And we were talking about the personality profiles of presidents throughout the history of this country. And they are, I don't want to sound pejorative, let's just say they weren't average. There's no president that has an average personality structure in the history of our country. And trauma, yeah, trauma could be

part of what sets it up. I mean, there can be lots of other things. And it may not even be just psychic numbing. It may be disconnect, either narcissistic disconnect or psychopathic disconnect, where they really don't feel feelings in a meaningful way. But to be fair, I mean, I don't know how you feel. It's kind of a heady psychological conversation. I don't know how much you need an empathic person in these major leadership positions. I'm not sure. I was just watching Master and Commander before you guys got here. Did you see that film? Is that the one with Russell Crowe?

Yes. Never saw it. Oh, my God. It's so good. But I was thinking about these very issues, about leadership and what's required for it. And he was narcissistic as hell, I would say, and would defend that as a necessary feature of what he had to do.

And I'm not sure that's wrong. I think that is sort of, there's a reason, let's put it this way. Let me put my thinking this way. There's a reason, Chris, that humans evolved these characteristics and that they stay amongst us. It has evolutionary purpose. It's not just that they're a pain in the ass.

It's that in certain situations they can be quite useful. How does that sound? Well, you're dealing with the Chinese and the Iranians and Russia today and Brexit and immigration crisis and opioid crisis and the healthcare crisis. You really do need to, you probably need some of these strong-minded characteristics. Yeah, I'd like people to be able to take positions. But to be over, to have an impact,

I think I would have a problem with that. My emotions would make me ambivalent. I'd have to sort of suppress them, and that's not good either. Well, something that always struck me about George W. Bush was the Iraq War and how he maintained his conviction in that idea, regardless of the global movement against it and the mass protests against him. It has to do with what you just explained. I mean, you really have to make a decision, stick to it,

and whatever medical term that is that you do, I mean, it takes a superhuman to actually stay somewhat cool under those circumstances. Well, we're talking about H.W. Bush, right? Yeah. No, George W. Bush, right? Not H.W. And, you know, there are rumors, reports, whatever, about his alcoholism, and alcoholics make great leaders and survivors. Is that right? That's part of their personality construct. I believe very firmly that's the reason that disease survives. If we suddenly got surrounded by a bunch of huns,

the alcoholics are going to help us. They're going to get us through it. Because that's when their anxiety goes away and they become very, oh my gosh, they make great fighter pilots and athletes and things like that. No, no, it's true. I'm not saying when they're using, they're worthwhile. I'm saying the features, the genetics of that personality are very adaptive. Here's somebody to Catherine saying, according to Dr. Gray, psychopaths are very prevalent

amongst corporate America. That is true. That is thought to be true. Why don't we... I'm thinking we should take a little break. Yeah? Is that what you're saying? Yes, she's saying a break.

And then we... No one let me have a microphone. Okay, no microphone for our producer, Susan Pinsky, today. But we will bring in your... We will bring in a Russian operative after the break. We are going to bring in...

Surreptitiously, please. We don't want... No, your wife. She's the Russian operative after the break. We were going to bring in... Surreptitiously, please. No, your wife. She's the Russian operative. Simona Mangiante is going to be in here. And just by way of intro to her, she's a lawyer. She worked for the president of the EU,

president of the European Union, and had some interaction with Mifsud. I had to pronounce the name. Mifsud. Mifsud. And that's what got her entangled on all this as well. We'll get into her story and more of your calls. Be right back.

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in spite of you know you I'm sure you put plants and things around our house and microphones and things wherever you go yeah right I mean you figure whatever I unique occasion to do that. Yeah, right. I just infiltrate whatever I can. And today she is dressed, she is worn. You can't see, there's also red and blue in her outfit, and she's dressed with the Russian military. I kind of look like I'm entering the role, and I want to be credible. So practicing my outfit more than my accent now. So tell, I know we reviewed this last time,

but let's do it again really quickly. Tell us about your career with the EU and then how you got wrapped into this thing. I used to work for the European Parliament for seven years. The first two years I worked in a committee dealing with the human rights called a civil rights committee. I was a legal advisor, so I was going through all the legislation

and make sure that it was in there were implemented all the amendments from the politicals, different parties in the last four years. So my career at European Parliament worked for President Martin Schultz, socialist group. So he became the president. Yes, the president of the European Parliament. German socialist president.

And I represented an office for cases of international child abduction. So I went through a lot. Sure you did. Child abduction, a perfect smokescreen for a Russian operative. Yeah, right. Trying to get our sympathy. Child abduction. How sweet I am. Yeah, right. Trying to get our sympathy. Child abduction.

How sweet I am. Okay. So you're working on international rings that abduct, you know, international child, children trafficking. It's just sex trafficking. It's horrible. So traveling a lot, visiting different countries, lobbying in different governments to negotiate in implementation of the Hague Convention on the civil aspect of international child abduction in 1980. So I've been traveling in a lot of countries in the Middle East. And you speak several languages, right? I speak five languages, but Russian is not one of them.

What? Sure, of course it's not one. Ukrainian, though. You speak Ukrainian, right? Da. I don't know. Don't speak Russian. Wow, it's not one. Ukrainian, though. You speak Ukrainian, right? Da. I don't know. Don't speak Russian. Wow, that's a perfect... Of course you wouldn't speak Russian,

because if somebody held a gun to your head, you'd start to speak Russian, so the Russians don't want you to speak Russian, so QED, she's a Russian operative. KGB school should improve their training. There is something funny about it. Among my Christmas presents, George gave me an ancestry test.

And? And what did you find out? I don't know the results yet. You must reveal it here on this show. Please. I need to know. I will definitely do that. Because I was saying you look Eastern European, right? And she's Italian, so-called. I mean, let's be fair

about the history of the Italian peninsula. There really is no such thing as Italian, right? It's a bunch of different countries, a bunch of immigrants came through and 12 different languages. You're down in Sicily. Southerly, it's like near by name. Yeah. And that's a different language, right? Down there? Totally. I can speak Neapolitan fluently. Yeah. Right. And when he came to my city lately, he says like, nobody looks like you.

And I was like, okay. You said that? Yeah, she's Russian. She claims not to speak Russian. Well, apparently there's a major Ukrainian community in her city over there. She doesn't look Ukrainian either. It's going to be, yeah, Czech, Hungarian, somewhere in there. And all those languages, that's kind of Hungarian-ish.

You know what I mean? I have also affinity personality affinity with people from this region of the world which region uh ukraine russia a lot of friends from there i don't know why i mean it must be something in genetics i'm belarus ukrainian that's sort of my heritage okay so yeah and you look like one of my people so that's it that's it i mean so hey i want to point something out jos Josette, thank you for commenting about the needles and animals. Yes, we want to give those devices to people that have animals and are giving diabetic shots and other medication by needle. The disposal of needles is all taken

care of for you with this device. Okay. So there you are, five languages, touring. Your beard is that you are trafficking defending traffic children sure you are uh and then what happens and then at one point i decided to my contract for the european union expired i was a temporary agent so my contract expired on august 2016 and uh i remember the president of the socialist group at the time. Same guy? No. Different guy. Yes.

Introduced me, who introduced me to Mifsud years before. And who was he? Who's Mifsud? Why is he in the middle of all this? Mifsud is, he's introducing himself as a professor. He's an academic, isn't he? Yeah. But he doesn't strike as an academic at all.

He's like a networking person, attending all the political events. I don't know which kind of impression you had of him, but myself, it was. Yeah. I'd like to know what, what did you think? Well, um, clearly the guy was an agent for somebody. I don't know if he was an agent provocateur as they say, or he was an agent of an agency or what his exact role was, wouldn't be safe to say he was. Highest bidder who opened for business? He was open for business. And here's something that I found very eerie that we just

learned a couple of months ago based on General Michael Flynn's own lawyer, that Joseph Mifsud was targeting Michael Flynn before he targeted me. So after that happened, clearly this wasn't a coincidence. I wasn't meeting him randomly in Italy the way I did. And he's a big player in this. So he set up that meeting with you. Yeah. And he set up a meeting with General Michael Flynn too. Was the meeting with you after the 203s were underway? Much before. Much before.

Much before, yeah. So here he comes to you now. It comes to me and he says, look, I have a perfect position for you in London. Uh, there is this, uh, beautiful, uh, institution called the London center for international practice. And people like you with your experience in politics and the speaking languages would fit perfectly the role you would advance quickly in your career. And you know what?

The same day you join, I will make you a director. Wow. But yes, with seven years experience in a relatively young age, you can really go far. And I was very happy and excited because I wanted to move to London. So I said, wow, I got to I got my job. And once I joined the London Center, everything was extremely shady. Introduce me to this other director, Naji Idris, and we started actually to get involved in a number of meetings with the people from the Middle East.

And my expertise was the European Union. So I was a little confused and I said to myself, why am I at the table with this sheikh from Dubai? I mean, while I should be probably discussing some policy from the European Parliament. And then, well, things ended up being very shady. I remember he mentioned to me, George, he told me, you know, we have this guy who is around your age and is American and is working now for the President Trump campaign. And when he comes to London, just pretend you like Trump.

Not even questioning either or not. I really like them. So I remember the very next day Mifsud mentioned to me, George, you reached out to me via LinkedIn. George did? Yes. Okay. George.

So Mifsud hooked that up? I don't know. What hooked that up? This is just, I think the stars aligned in the way they did and I just sent her an unsolicited. But were you just going through? I don't know how. How did you come upon her? Exactly.

I guess on LinkedIn you have those people that, you know, friends you might know. Oh, friends of friends kind of thing. Or friends or associates worked at a company you might know. And then I saw a beautiful girl on there and I said, Oh, she works at the company. I have a couple of questions about Mifsud and I could, you know, reach out to her and maybe.

So, so let's, let's, let's take a, give me the camera again, take a beat and recognize that. See what, what George,

give me the camera there guys. Yeah. What George is teaching us is that you can use LinkedIn like Tinder. George invented linked Tinder, LinkedIn, guys. Yeah. What George is teaching us is that you can use LinkedIn like Tinder. So George invented LinkedIn Tinder. LinkedIn Tinder. It was so funny. It worked. It worked out fine.

So well done. So let's go back to this camera. And then did you respond to him? I remember looking at his picture and said, oh, he's cute. He's a guy. Tinder. You guys did? Did you swipe after?

It's okay. That's cute. It's okay. That's cute. It's kind of cute. Your JD is very impressive. You're MSC at the University of London. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

No, I get it. So we started to talk and for a few months until on an occasional trip to New York, I finally meet George and everything happened so quickly and I didn't know that the FBI was following us probably at the time. So in their mind, they probably thought, oh, this Russian operative

now is hanging out with the Trump campaign manager. They came to me in the first interview. Why didn't they put her in prison? They tried. Oh, she told the truth, George. That's the problem. You a liar.

Well, according to the FBI in their own 302s, they say I didn't lie. So then they had to manufacture that I did by this aggressive arrest and then bankrupting me and not allowing me to have the proper attorney I wanted. Oh, my God. And so there are other ways to squeeze somebody into an agreement.

Here's a question for Simona. We're going to get to it straight away here. It pertains exactly to what we're talking about. This is Max. Max, go ahead, buddy. Hi, Drew. Thanks for taking my call. By the way, I love your show. I just wanted to say before I ask Simona the question, it's not that helicopters are inherently dangerous. It's the problem that clients put a lot of pressure on pilots to fly

and implement weather or conditions like fog yeah so so let they educate me wait so are you max are you are you a helicopter pilot i am not okay however i have flown on helicopters and i'm aware yeah i it's exactly what i was kind of thinking on a not-windy, sunny day with no cloud cover. Probably pretty safe to be in a helicopter, right? Well, considering it was Calabasas and it was very foggy, there's a good chance that it had to do. And see, with small rotorcraft, everything is restricted to the human eye as far as what the pilot can see. So if you pair that with inclement weather or conditions, it's a bad situation.

And a lot of clients will tell their pilots, no, we need to go. Let's give it a shot. Yeah, I get that. Because there's not much argument. I get that. I get that. And thank you, because we have lots of aeronautical questions about what happened to him. So thank you for giving us some info.

Of course, we're talking about Kobe Bryant, who, if you are just joining us, he died this morning in a helicopter accident with his daughter. Just beyond tragic. My question is for Simona. How do you keep yourself sane amongst all of the media lunacy involving George's campaign and, you know, the crazy in-laws? Well, am I saying the first question? I don't know.

I think this shaked me a lot. And sometimes, I mean, I'm not perfect. I also have my blow-up, as you can see. Are you a U.S. citizen now? Almost. Almost. So you're going for the citizenship. Yes. You're an Italian citizen. you can see. Are you a US citizen now? Almost. Almost. So you're going for the citizenship. You're an Italian citizen. I'm Italian. Do you get to maintain both? Yes.

And when you say, you know, when you're caught up in all this, I mean, this is your... You've not spent a lot of time in this country prior to this, have you? No. Only for a few months for an internship. So here you are. You come here. You're starting to set up your residency here. You get married here. And all, I I'm like Max, I don't understand how you're not just furious all the time.

There is a reason I'm sitting here. And yeah, yeah. Cool therapy with, with that. I think it's, it has been extremely challenging. Definitely. Uh, my skin, My skin became very thick. It's very difficult, jokes apart, to adapt to new continents, start a new life, your married life, among this pressure, where I become the side target of a major story, definitely bigger than me, which from a random person working for the EU,

I become, in the perception, a Russian agent. And as George said, optics matter. People think my accent is Russian. I was just going to say that. I was like, sure you don't speak Russian. Sure, Simona. That is not an Italian accent. I don't know what that is, but it's not Italian.

And we can be so ignorant as Americans, it's incredible. But keep going. And also, you know, this pressure coming from any possible side. I have a bunch of articles out there also about claims to ICE to me in the process in which I'm trying to be a citizenship or to just make my stay legal in this country following the process in which I'm trying to be a citizenship or to, you know, to, to just make my stay legal in this country, following the process. And I have people lying to authorities about me.

So this has been extremely tough. And you know, 2020 is a new decade. I, I think this had a huge impact on my personality. Definitely. I think it made me a little crazy. I'm not saying I stayed perfectly sane. Oh, good. You should have been. I mean, they arrest him in a big, aggressive scene.

I mean, what did you do that day? And you're an attorney, too. I imagine you just want to take your saber out. I mean, I remember I called the first lawyer I used to work with in Washington and said like, I don't know what's going on, but please just check on the situation and trying to be helpful as much as I could to be dragged into that and become myself a target just to help. Imagine how hilarious it is. I mean, so I developed a very thick skin. Doesn't matter what people say in the end, you know, like you are who you are and what people say won't change it. And, you know, just try to

have, forget about all negativity and go ahead. Whoever likes me, likes me. Whoever doesn't like me, doesn't have a place in my life. Max, does that get to your answer? It does. And I had just one more thing to add. I feel her pain, not nearly, of course, in the level that she does, but I am also a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Italian. And I get accused of either being a Russian agent or somebody who's German. A Russian agent? What is wrong with us?

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Well, now everything's about Russian collusion. The second you disappear Russian, instantly you're Russian. I am Russian and nobody accused me of being Russian. Thanks, Max. Good question. Thank you for the information

about the helicopters. Thank you. Bye. People are wanting to talk a little more. Are you NBA fans? Yeah. Thank you. Bye. People are wanting to talk a little more Kobe. Are you NBA fans? To me, it's the most exotic. I mean, I know Michael Jordan since I was a kid. You have a passing understanding. You know Kobe Bryant was an important man.

I know, I know. And I just feel horrified by it. I mean, it just I mean, it just, like, calls the fragility of life, and I am empathetic toward this wife right now. You know, I can't imagine how she can survive to death. Europeans tend to get very, and Kristen, I've got you here on mic, so hold on a second.

Europeans get very, philosophical is not really the right word, but I'm going to say philosophical when it comes to, like, you just saying it, it gives the fragility of life and the importance of family. It's easy for you to prioritize I've noticed. Kristen, go ahead. Yeah. Well, I just want to say that one of my fondest memories of Kobe was in his rookie year

when he actually got a foul for not dribbling the ball across the half point line in the amount of time that the NBA allows right and it was such an embarrassing moment for him but he handled it with such humility and graciousness. He was obviously very embarrassed. For those of us who are all fans of the Lakers and fans of the NBA, we remember that moment. And it was that moment that I fell in love with this human being as a player because he wasn't perfect. He was never going to be perfect.

But I will tell you, he asked a lot of himself he played in italy for many years spoke fluent italian uh and yeah as a young man uh that's where he got his career you didn't know that susan he's italian what no is that i mean that's where his father his father played oh his father played and That's right. That's where he learned Italian. That's right. His father played. He learned Italian. He also sort of honed some of his skills there because it was during his youth.

But that's correct. And Kobe was fluent in Italian and Spanish and English. I mean, this was an educated, beautiful man that gave so much to the sport. And today is a tragedy i know and i will never forget this day just like i never forgot the day that princess diana died this is equal to me and i will mourn this day for the rest of my life i i don't know that kristen i don't know that has the same impact throughout the country but i believe for anyone that that has lived in Los Angeles 20 or more years, I absolutely agree with you.

I absolutely agree with you. It's one of those things where you can't process it. A world without them is like something you can't conceive of. But, yeah, and he was not just an educated guy. He's a brilliant guy. And I assure you, though, although he humbly accepted his uh his foul for uh you know staying back court too long uh believe me he's the kind of guy that that will not happen again he's that kind of person he demands a lot of himself and adjust course accordingly the smart yes the smirk on his face

and the embarrassment that he endured because of that initial foul was something that you don't see ever in the NBA. But he committed it and he took it like a man. And just like a man, he went on to endure a very responsible and positive career in the NBA. And he's going to be missed and never forgotten. And by the way, I can tell you now that hour or so I spent on the phone with him, I heard a lot about some of the things. We were talking about certain personality disorders and distortions and how people perceive.

We were talking about Jody Arias. But I got to learn a little bit about what he had been subjected to over the years, and that was not cool, some of the stuff he had to suffer with. But I don't know the details. I wasn't there, but, man, he was like, whoa. What does it mean when X happens and somebody claims Y is what happened? It was very confusing to him. So thanks, Kristen.

Thank you so much, Kristen. Thank you so much, Doctor. You got it. Are you in this book? Yes. In what capacity? Well, first of all, it was an honor that he dedicated the book to me. Oh.

He sent it in the back? Here. You know exactly where. I'll find it. I think it is. Now, if I don't find it, I feel... It's past. You know exactly where I'll find it. I think it is. Now, if I don't find it, I feel... It's past it. There it is. To my wife, Simona,

who has been my rock through this entire saga. I get that. You have to have been. That's, I think, summarized very well what was my role. We didn't have always beautiful time. We always say, you marry somebody through

tick and tin and I started with the tin. How long, but did it, did it, did it galvanize your relationship a little bit? Like bring it together tighter because you had a common enemy you were fighting. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, when, and for people who read the book and you'll see that when we first started dating, I was at the peak of my life. I really was at a zenith that not many 28-year-olds can have, you know, where you're just finishing advising two U.S. presidential campaigns. Both members, both campaigns that you advise are now in the administration.

One is the president, one is secretary of HUD, as we mentioned, Ben Carson. How'd that happen? Was it your training or the right place at the right time? Do you have the right skill set? I think it was a little bit of the right skills at the right time in the right place. Are you from DC? No, I'm from Chicago, actually. Where'd you train? I studied in Chicago and then I was in London. I went to grad school in London, yeah. And I was planning on continuing on the PhD route in economics and international relations.

Any particular discipline of economics? No, just quantitative. So that was at the LSC and all of a sudden I ended up getting a job. It's the London School of Economics. Yeah, and then I ended up getting a job at the Hudson Institute, as I mentioned. It's a very prominent think tank.

I get confused between the Hudson and the Hoover and the Manhattan. How do I differentiate all these? Well, it's like a university, right? You have the 10 top universities. Let's say you have Harvard, Yale, Princeton. I have trouble anymore knowing which ones are conservative,

which ones aren't, too. It seems like everything's overlapping a little bit on the academic side, but I may be wrong. And there's libertarian groups out there. Hoover's sort of libertarian, isn't it? Exactly. So you'll have the Cato Institute and the Hoover Institute, which is based in California, by the way, versus more of the neoconservative think tanks, Hudson Institute, the American Enterprise Institute. And then you have Brookings Institute, which is more of a moderate to left. I don't like the word globalist think tank, but those are more the type of thinking that

goes on over there versus the more America first unilateral approach that the neoconservatives have taken throughout history. So I guess- Are we talking about neoconservatives again? Because when I was in college, we talked about neoconservative. Is there a new age of neoconservatism and what is it? Back then, Antonio Scalia was a neoconservative, right? It was sort of a moral absolutism or absolute logical systems of principles. Wasn't that neoconservatism 30 years ago? Well, from the judicial point of view, if you're looking at the legislative branch, then yes. What is it now? More of a myopic, I guess, view. When I think about it in mathematics, it was like a set. It was a set with limits, and that was it.

Like a constitutionalist. You just read the Constitution, and you. And that's it. And you don't really interpret it. You just read it black and white. It is what it is. It's almost like reading the Bible versus some denominations will interpret it versus others. Are literalist. Are literalist. Exactly. That's constitutional literalism.

Got it. Absolutely. And so neoconservative now is? So neoconservative today would be the interventionist, the people who would pound their chest a little bit to flex U.S. military might throughout the world. You don't really need to engage from a multilateral approach. That's exactly why. I mean, I don't consider this administration neoconservative. No, not if that's it.

No, no, no. But they're certainly realist. And because they are realist, they think that because the u.s economy is growing at the pace it is there's a dwindling uh sovereign debt crisis continuing in europe you really don't need to to depend on these allies anymore and the us really needs to take care of its own the way it is and it's working out arguably it's working out brilliantly interesting let's uh you want to say something i feel you no i was I was just like saying it's incredible how they could, in the beginning

I was sort of standing against the Trump administration. You were not a fan? No, because I didn't like the way they dismissed somebody who did a consistent job for them. You're talking about George? Yes. So they distanced themselves from him.

I don't want to mention Caputo because I don't even think he had such a major role. But I didn't like this missile strategy. And that's why I was... I mean, what I'm trying to say was really defending him for what has been true independently by any partisan orientation. I mean, it was not me standing for politics. It was me standing for a principle and probably my lawyer background. So what more than my infatuation for him, because at the time we were dating for, of course, I was in my peak of feelings, involvement.

But I really believed in him. In George. Yes. And I didn't like what I saw. The way they were treating him. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that it's a much more personal manifestation of the circumstance. Yes, exactly.

I could see how you would react that way. I'm getting requests for our producer to be ringing in on this, too. They want to hear both couples talking. Yes, yes, you. They want to hear both couples talking. Yes, yes, you. Yes. You need a microphone. Yeah, you need a microphone.

People are saying, where is Mrs. Pinsky? Let me just remind everybody that Mrs. Pinsky and I do this Daily Dose thing where she is always a part of it. Caleb's running the board. I know. And I want to address some of the stuff that's streaming by that I'm seeing, which is that they want more call-ins. Some weeks we will be doing a lot of call-ins and some weeks we will be doing more interview. I've got two great guests today. That's why we're focusing more on their story and the interview.

We have taken a few calls, but we will probably not be call-heavy this show. So I apologize for that. But Mrs. Pinsky, what are you thinking about the story you're hearing here? The story of these two? Yeah. Oh, I just love it. I think it's just, it's such a good, I love how you met on Tinder.

It wasn't Tinder, it was LinkedIn. He just used it like Tinder. What did we call it? Linder? No, but I mean, I think that's great. Like you two are a great couple. I think that what you're doing is is a service to this community what would happen needed miss pinsky what would happen if we did go ahead

with some sort of political campaign and you know who knows what comes at you but i'm just saying something comes at me what are you gonna do you're gonna stand by me or you're gonna i'm learning from simona i mean we have a lot in common we are both both swimmer models. We both have like a past. It's not like political. Well, she's more political than I am. But, you know, it's like I'm not worried about that stuff anymore. We're both Eastern European. Yes, we are.

The poster to Northern Eastern. I bet you're going to have a little bit of check in you as well. I don't, I mean, I'm a big fan of these two because, you know, I keep booking them. So, obviously. Thank you. We are a big fan of you two because, you know, I keep booking them. So, honestly. Thank you. We are a big fan of you too. I really hope that everything goes well. I want everybody to vote for George.

Thank you. So, Simi Valley is just covered with homeless people. So, whatever we can do. Well, Simi Valley is a shift. Is it shift as well? Yeah. Is shift as well? Southern Simi Valley is shift.

No, no. Well, Simi is the 25th. Is that you? Okay. Okay. But it's not far from shift. Close enough. It's adjacent Ships. Well, Simi's the 25th. Is that you? Okay. But it's not far from Ships. It's adjacent, essentially. So the same problems. And I think Drew could be a really big help for you,

you know, without having to be in the Congress. Oh, yeah. I'll be happy to help you. I would love to help you. I give a pretty nasty talk about homelessness that I'm very angry. And my son watched. I gave it in Sacramento on Tuesday. And he said, slow down.

He goes, yeah, I saw you yelling. Slow down. Well, we should be yelling about this issue because everyday Americans are dying by the hundreds. There are three a day in L.A. County. And we have 100,000. A thousand a year. What's the number need to be before our leaders so-called do something? in L.A. County. And we have 100,000 in L.A. County. 1,000 a year. What's the number need to be before our leaders, so-called, do something? Exactly.

Too many. Imagine. Leaders, so-called. Because a real leader would jump in. Think of the coronavirus. We're killing three people a day in Los Angeles County. You don't think there'd be an emergency? There would.

The same thing with we're losing three homeless a day. Compare that, everybody. All right. Calm down, sweetie. Let me down let me talk i get angry see so you want me to talk i'm gonna be angry when you get so i need that type of energy so i'm offering you whatever i can give you as promotion to help i want everybody who's watching this to please if you're in the right district vote for george papa and i'm not going to say it right papadopoulos thank you so we know that they're supporting their they have a good team here and you can get a lot done and you've had you have experience in politics drew has none and i have none but i but i'm very supportive of it and i'm not a political person i don't say that i just i don't offer that up i'm

not really either that's that I don't like politics. And I want to donate to your campaign, by the way. Oh, thank you. And I don't do that very often. Thank you so much. There's very few people who get that vote from me, but only because I am apolitical and I'm a, I'm a podcast producer and a wife and mother and mother of triplets. And I imagine that. That's, that's something I would like to dig into. I mean, I can give you advice about that, but three in one time. Yes. It's a,

okay. Yeah. And I have, I have kids that are very well read and know a lot more about politics than I do. And my husband's extremely brilliant and could do whatever he wants. I know that we could raise the money now because we did have so many great, you know, calls and phone calls, like personal phone calls. You know, we want to get together and we want to give Drew money. And I was worried about that at the beginning for the governorship. We didn't want to call our friends and ask for money. No, but I didn't realize you were so popular, honey. Yeah, again, that was what I was speaking about earlier, that sort of, I'm trying to think of the word.

It's almost like the vote. We really have almost a mystical connection to our vote in this country. It's like it's a very, when we give our vote to somebody, it's a very meaningful thing to us. And when you hear people talk about it, it woke me up to how people feel about it. And I'm always confused when I go to fill out

my ballot. I don't know who any of these people are, and I don't want to just pick anybody willy-nilly. You can skip. I heard that they throw your ballot away. No, no, no. But anyways, I go in when Catherine Barger's up for re-election. LA County supervisor. She's our buddy.

Or if I want a certain president that's not necessarily Democrat, because in California, it's pretty much not going to work out if you don't vote. But anyways, and I'm not a Republican, really, so don't take me. You know, in this state, you can change your party affiliation every 30 seconds if you want to. It's the easiest thing online. You just literally click click and i i when i was doing an am radio show i did it every day just to make a point that how silly how silly it is i was independent that i was green independent

party and then democrat it's beautiful having your support because it's uh it shows that you're focusing on issue more than on the exactly i believe that it's really valuable and it really makes me feel even more, you know, your support is even more worthy than somebody who's embracing a color. No, we are, we're a dino and a rhino. We're rhinos. We're rhinos. And look, I'm a dino. You're a rhino, I'm a dino.

Look, both parties are being blown up from within today. That's my point. They could certainly reconstitute and i could certainly glob onto something but right now it's it seems senseless to me let me just say i'm so moderate that it's just the both of us are that way we're interested in people we're interested in the serving the people that what we need here in this part of the country and we need a lot um let me just say, people are asking a lot about the coronavirus, since we brought that up. Let me just say, coronaviruses, I'm going to give you a two-minute primer.

Let's have that camera. Caleb, can I get another camera over here? A two-minute primer on the coronavirus, once Caleb takes me off the three-shot. And there we are. So coronavirus is one of a family of viruses that can infect human beings. Takes me off the three shot. And there we are. So coronavirus is one of a family of viruses that can infect human beings. Adenovirus, Coxsackie, herpes viruses.

These are very, very, very common viruses. And the corona, for the most part, is kind of mild. It causes upper respiratory infection, that kind of thing. But the virus survives by living in humans. And because our immune system, once we learn what the virus is, destroys them completely, they have to adapt and constantly change. That's why every year we have a different flu shot because the flu virus as a survival mechanism, all viruses shift their molecular structure a little bit. So our immune system doesn't recognize it. Well, this particular coronavirus came out of animals and it's virulent. It causes a lot of, at least some cases, it's

virulent, particularly in people over the age of 50. It causes a lot of, at least some cases, it's virulent, particularly in people over the age of 50. It was people whose immune system wasn't great. They get an adult respiratory distress-type syndrome, or if you know, there was a Mediterranean. There's all kinds of syndromes like this. Not SARS. It's not like SARS. But it's a diffuse.

It's almost more like the vaping syndrome, if you want to see what the lung effects are. My prediction is, I have effects are. My prediction is, I have a prediction. My prediction is that this virus is here. We now have a few cases, a couple of cases in Los Angeles documented. I'm going to predict it's here and widespread and mild. It's not a massively dangerous bug. The reason we will not pick that up is because we don't do the testing on everybody who has a little upper respiratory infection. It's too expensive. We can't realistically do that. So we only test

that people have severe illness and we need that information on the severe illness in order to save that person's life. I'm going to predict this virus has been around for a while. I'm going to predict it's here with us in a much greater way than we know. My fear though, is if it gets into the homeless populations, well, that's an immunosuppressed group, and that could really do some damage. So that's my two cents on the coronavirus. Okay, everybody got that? Enough. I've silenced our guests. See what happens when I go off like that? Dr. Bruce is online. Yeah, I see that. Let me see if Bruce agrees with me on this, or if Bruce is even... Dr. Bruce Heuce heishover buddy what's going on hey i worked in the er

yesterday i totally agree with you and it's shocking the number of patients i saw with influenza a that didn't get immunized awful awful get your flu shots everybody so you're like me you kind of feel like the corona is probably around as a milder virus than than the than the the hysteria painting. Oh, absolutely, yeah. But on the other hand, who knows what's really going on in China if you're getting the accurate read on the virulence. And just like you say, these things, they just shift antigen patterns so quickly, you don't know what you're going to get.

So what made you call in? You want to talk to George and Simona? Well, here's the question as you know i've i've been rereading uh howard's people's history of america and you know when i first saw that in the 80s it was like well this is a prank thing and i can't see it going anywhere i i flew back from germany from some guy from the green party and i think he had mentioned it but it seems like there's such an intellectual base. This guy's in, he sort of wrote, it's like a roadmap of what's happened in terms of, you know, having an intellectual base academically

that wants to rewrite our history, and it seems like it's a move towards globalism. And actually, some of my Bernie friends recommended I read this to see where we should go. But how do we combat? And, you know, I'm not a radical right-wing person. It seems like you've got Republicans, Democrats, but the far left seems like followed this whole Howard Zinn thing. And I'm not the intellectual giant you guys are. You know, I remember reading Brave New World Revisited when Aldous Huxley was talking about how Hitler mobilized media to to bring misinformation. It seems like how if you guys run for office, how do you combat the misinformation?

These people have the control of the media and academics. And it seems like if you're if you say you're for George for Trump, you're you know, you're just you're just stupid and you don't really understand what's really going on. So I don't know if that's an astute – I don't know if I'm focusing my questions. But in reading that – I think you're asking – you're asking something I ask Adam all the time, which is how do we get out of this? I consult his – you know, Bruce, Adam, Dr. Spaz, we know him from, he's part of the Adam Corolla Network. Bruce is an ER doctor and a dictionologist, a friend of mine for many years. How dare you?

And Adam has a crystal brain, as you know, Bruce. And so I consult it once in a while. And that's what I asked him. How do we get out? And he believes, he believes that we have turned. He thinks comedy is one of the harbingers of change. And he looks at the Dave Chappelle comedy special and says, that's where it turned. Where people can say what they're thinking for the first time. And I think people saying what they feel and what they believe is

one of the key ingredients. Personally personally i believe we have to also begin revisiting the history of our country i mean i i was talking about it i i i'm fascinated by the history of our federal government and i was talking about it last week and somebody pushed back at me and said why should i and listen carefully this is why should i be interested in any beliefs or opinions of somebody that lived in 1776? And I did not say, and I wish I had say, there was a guy that lived 2,000 years ago that we seemed to have an interest in what he said. And then his name was Jesus, I believe. And then another guy, Muhammad, that we're interested in, another guy named Moses from 4,000 years ago, seems to have relevance today. So when people said these things does not

impact on their truth would you agree bruce no absolutely but answer my question but what's going on today is how i and i've watched horowitz's things at college campuses and thumbs up for isis flipping the bird for the flag it seems like there's just such a uniform belief and a lot of it. So how do you guys combat that? And George, you got to talk through into running for office. Thanks, Bruce. We'll let these guys answer. Well, I think, first of all, I'm a Republican and I see the virtues of the Republican Party today being more transformative than ever before in modern American history. We see it in the unemployment rates.

We see it in social issues that I believe in. We see it in potential immigration reform, foreign policy, success around the world. But there's a messaging problem, arguably. And I think, as I mentioned earlier, because politics is optics and it's not what you say, it's how you say it, I think if we had a little more cogent articulate manner to articulate some of these policies of the American people instead of a little a little less bombastic if you will I think you could really ease people's feelings you could win over some hearts and minds because I'm just talking about myself as just a person with the last

name Papadopoulos obviously I'm I'm an ethnic Greek person, and I could go out and talk to various different people from various backgrounds, and they feel a little more comfortable with me, even though I'm a Republican, versus maybe an older person who represents something from possibly a bygone era that they don't believe in, even though they understand that the Republican Party's politics and policies improve their lives in a much better way. So that's the first thing. And the second thing I really think about the narrative, the construction of a narrative, is if you really want to combat that, you need to be forceful. And I do agree with the president's more confrontational approach to fighting back against being framed the way he was and the way I was. And I believe I showed that along with my wife, where she was going on television, national television, and getting the truth out there, setting the record straight, and presenting facts. And at the end of the day, facts will overcome any misinformation.

Well, hang on. I'm going to push back on what you said, George. You started by saying you needed persuasion and you needed a narrative, which is separate from the facts these days, unfortunately. So how do we get it all wrapped up? Let's do it this way. How would you persuade and present some facts on, say, our immigration problem? Well, what you do, really, I mean, it's look, let's, optics, okay, when you are... Again, you said optics, not facts, right? Which is it? You can do both. You can, you actually can do both. If you have the right representative with the facts on his side

to articulate something to people in a calm manner that doesn't scare them. For example, I disagree with Stephen Miller, for example, and the way he goes about his immigration rhetoric to the Trump, with the Trump administration and how he talks to reporters and how he mentions that. I'm sorry, I don't know who he is. Stephen Miller, he's a senior White House advisor who essentially runs the immigration policy of the White House. I worked with him on the campaign. I think he's a decent person, but the way he articulates the administration's immigration policy,

it's not correct. Even though it makes common sense, it frightens people. Where you talk about shipping people out on trains and locking people up, even though you might not really believe it. And a lot of people along the border understand that unvetted migration is a very serious economic insecurity threat. When you talk like that, it essentially triggers notion of racism. Why don't they focus on, I wish they'd focus on the citizens, let's say in California, the citizens of California don't

get the health care that the undocumented immigrants get. They are on the streets, not in housing. They don't get the tax breaks. Why can't the citizens get the thing that the undocumented workers get? And how unfair that is to the citizens. How come there's not pitchforks out? If you come up here in need, I get it. We got to do something. But give them infinity more than the citizens? Because citizens get zero. And the undocumented workers get free health care.

How is that fair to the citizens of this state who are paying the taxes? And I'm not saying that undocumented workers don't pay taxes. They don't when they get here. They have not at that point yet. We have, the citizens have. That's all I'm saying. They will, I get it. But at that point, when they receive their health care,

it's on the citizens' dime and other undocumented workers. There is the issue of fairness. And we see it in Europe. And Simone could probably talk about this better than I can. In Europe, it's exactly what happened, where you had this unvetted immigration process these open borders that resulted in mass migration movements to berlin and to uh to stockholm where it really upended the social and economic structure tell us about it yeah we have actually this situation in which uh opening the border uh, illimitably, meant to introduce, to put on our shoulder and our finances.

Did they give free health care to everybody that walked in? They did. And welfare too. But that's because that's the EU, though, that was providing that, right? Yes. Was the Italian state doing it? No, it's the EU.

The EU was doing it. So actually the policies changed from member states and Italy and Greece and probably some other country that are not in the best shape. They don't even implement these European Union policies. Financially, right. Financially. So they can't implement those policies. They can't implement, even though they should.

But we have places like, George mentioned, Berlin, Brussels, Stockholm, and all the, let's say, wealthy countries of the European Union, and mostly France, an amount of people that live on welfare and have access to health care and also additional allowance every month by child. So we have these people coming into the country and having many children and having welfare benefits. But I understand the conflict. They need to go somewhere. I am deeply worried about where they need to go.

How do you do it in a fair and humane way? It's a big question mark, right? It's all about setting priorities and what you can handle to have for what you can't. Implementing the policy which allows you to look good to the voters and saying we accept everybody. That seems unrealistic. We can't be all things to all people all the time. The Democrat platform is that today. It's open borders and free health care.

So what does that actually mean? Everybody who crosses the border illegally will get free health care? Yes. And what's the economic and the security question that is associated with that policy? People don't look at it. And I actually think you do see pushback against those, I mean, really stupid ideas that just don't make practical sense. Whether there's a moral question associated to that, that's a whole other issue. So would you support, let me ask this, would you support limiting,

it's like figuring a way to limit undocumented workers coming in and providing them health care, a limited number? I think, first and foremost, you need to have a merit-based immigration system. I mean, Australia has it. Oh, Australia. And Canada, too, by the way. And Canada. The utopia is Canada. Go up there, anybody.

Go up there and try to work sometime. They shake you down. They shake you down. They shake you down. Going across that border, the bridge to Canada is not a bridge. I assure you, go do it sometime if you want to work up there. Exactly. And that's what my campaign and I were looking into. We're looking at models that actually work.

I mean, these are developed countries. We're not taking ideas from, you know, some third world country that doesn't work. I mean, these are developed countries that have educated workforces and a system that works. And in many countries, in many borders, they have walls. Israel has a wall. Saudi Arabia has a wall. Iraq has a wall.

Greece is building a wall now between Turkey. And you essentially have a maritime wall between North Africa and Southern Europe today, de facto. So you do need that. And it's not this idea where a wall represents keeping people out versus specific people in. The last time I checked, people can take an airplane and land from any city into whatever capital or airport in the United States, come with the proper documentation and not work in the shadows. And I speak from the heart about this because my wife, who's sitting right here,

is going through this process today where we, after two years of marriage, still don't have her green card. And we're just now going to the immigration. Maybe that van I heard drive up is an ICE van. I'm just saying. You know, and she'll speak for herself. I think she wanted to do things legally herself.

I agree. Legality is important. And when it comes to ethics, my question is, can we invite people when we have nothing to offer to our own citizens? So it's a matter of priorities. So first our citizens, then welcome people. Yes, and I am an immigrant, and I believe America should prioritize its citizens before them.

That's a simple position. I think people can understand that. Which is, if you're going to give healthcare, citizens first, then welcome. Whatever economic benefits we have, share it with other people that need

shelter. If they're in the process of becoming legal citizens, I don't think that unvetted migrants should be receiving health care. And I also don't really even agree with the sanctuary state policies. I mean, these are not policies I think are long-term solutions to these issues.

And I think the merit-based immigration system is probably the best way to go. You build the wall. Well, it's so weird to me, the whole idea of the border and the wall, that people are so confused about it. I don't like the wall. We have the stinks. But listen, if you drive down the 5 freeway here, right,

you're going to eventually, as you approach the Mexican, what do I call it, a border? You're going to be in a line of cars, and a bunch of Mexican authorities with machine guns are going to vet your entrance into mexico and there's a wall that mexico has up with the united states there and it extends to the ocean on one side and it goes i don't know how far the other way so how far should it go 50 feet 500 feet 500 miles clearly mexico wants a wall they enforce it every day go

try to go to Mexico. So the weird thinking is what bothers me. It's like, let's either have a border or not have a border. And if we have one, I guess you have to extend the border because those guys with the machine guns on the other side are telling you there's

a border here. It's very strange the way people think about it. It's incredible. Do we need to build a wall for setting borders? I don't know. Simone clearly believes no. I don't know. I just don't like the symbolism of the walls. I have some breaking news about the Kobe helicopter.

Okay, please. Let's hear it. One of the victims was a legendary college baseball coach by the name of John Altobelli from Orange Coast College and his wife and daughter so we knew that the that kobe's daughter had a friend and the parents were with them so we don't know that's that's now five so we know who they are and just want to let people know again the story

just makes me upset every time i hear it's very's very, very sad. And they were on their way to the Thousand Oaks baseball or basketball camp, and it happened, you know, in Calabasas. Let me take a quick call here. Michelle's been on hold for a long time. Michelle, go ahead. Hello? Hi there. Hi, how are you?

We're good. What's going on? I was just calling to find out if... Sorry, hold on. One second. Okay. Sorry, I had my headphones on and I couldn't hear you. Okay. I was calling to find out if addiction is triggered by trauma. Trauma, childhood trauma is sort of the rocket fuel behind addiction that usually comes on earlier in life. Later trauma can definitely also trigger addiction.

What is it we're talking about here? Rape at 14. Okay. Well, that's childhood. that's childhood sexual abuse. I mean, that's somebody who's not yet an adult. So for sure that causes difficulty. But does it trigger addiction or was the addiction already there?

The addiction is a genetic potential that's brought out, can be brought out and really brought out by trauma. So what happens with the trauma is they can't regulate their emotions. They start looking outside of themselves for a solution to that. They find their way to drugs. They feel normal for the first time. They'll often say, or okay for the first time, and off it goes.

Okay. Okay. That's what I was looking for. You got it. There's another weird thing that sometimes people will do after a trauma is they'll reenact the trauma which is always hard to children notoriously reenact it but even adults can reenact something like a rape and then magically a couple more follow it's just crazy how our brains do put us in these situations

no fault of the victim it's just just something that our brains do to us. I'm going back to the wall a little bit. I think people are a little there again. They're so confused. We have a wall already. It's my point. And if we're going to have a wall and we have a wall with Canada, they enforce it like crazy. It's just, I don't understand why people can't have sort of a rational idea about borders, why it has to go all one way or all the other. We've had these borders for a long time and managed to maintain them, right? Well, because the left has added racial undertones to this policy, which I don't think ever existed from the beginning. And if you actually read and listen to candidate Donald Trump when he came down those escalators, and he was beginning to speak about the wall that, as you mentioned, already exists in many ways, and illegal immigrants, he was talking about illegal immigrants, unvetted migrants from around the world. He was not saying every single brown person or whatever person crossing a border is a bad rapist or whatever he was saying.

He's saying we have to deal with those bad people because some are unvetted. And in order to prevent any of those type of individuals from entering the country that do put a black stain on the good immigrants, we should just build the wall and then have a more stringent approach to migration in this country. But there you are, the narrative. They got their narrative. They got their narrative and that's it.

It will not change. That's exactly, it's because the narrative that was established had the racial undertones that it's very hard to remove today. But when you talk about the actual policy, I agree with you. It already works. We're already kind of doing it. Yeah, we're already doing it.

Every country does that, right? Every country has a border. Otherwise, it's not a country. Symbolism matters, though. Symbolism really matters. It's about, like I said, racial undertones and then a wall keeping certain people out. And that's not what the point was ever. The wall, though, I think, somebody called it a boondoggle. I think that the wall, the wall though, I think, somebody called it a boondoggle. I think they're kind, I kind of agree with that in the sense that the wall is just this,

it's its own narrative. It's this easy symbol that you can rally around. And I think that's what bothers you. I agree with borders. And as I said, my policy on immigration are pretty far.

I mean, pretty on the right. But it's not a waste of building a wall. I mean, immigration, control of borders doesn't pass through a wall, pass through a number of other procedures. That, I don't think, necessarily requires a wall. That's another angle you can look at. I want to go back. Speaking of another angle, we only have a few minutes left. I want to go back to your book. What else is in here that we don't know

about this story? A lot of what's in this book are... Deep state target. What else is in here that we don't know about this story? A lot of what's in this book are- Deep State Target. There it is. Okay, go ahead. Yes. And then the mob wife's picture of you up there. Well, I did bring my sunglasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can recreate- Please.

Yeah. Oh, put it back on. Put it back on. It's too good. We love it. It's too much. We can recreate the- Thanks. We love it. It's too much. We can recreate. And we ought to get some picture of like some classic film Russian operative and then dress Simona up with that exact outfit and see what people do. We should do that. La Femme Nikita.

La Femme Nikita. The one thing in my book that is that you do start to see are names of individuals who are now involved with this criminal probe that have never been revealed before because clearly the mainstream media never wanted those names to be revealed but you are starting to slowly see some of the names come out including from a recent politico article a couple weeks ago that mentioned one of the spies that was interacting with me there are a lot more names in there i address the motives of these individuals and the countries and the agencies behind them in a way that only I can because I live this story, no one else. And when is this all going to come out? And,

you know, when is this all going to be made public, these investigations? And I mean, is it going to be time with the impeachment hearings or? Well, I predict that the impeachment hearings are going to come to a swift halt. I think he's, the president's obviously going to be acquitted. I think the case is over. The Republicans have made a far stronger case simply because the president released a transcript that's at odds with this entire process. And other besides that, I think we did see the beginning, which was the Horowitz investigation. The Horowitz investigation opened a chapter, did not close a chapter. And the Durham probe, which is ongoing today, which is a criminal investigation, is going to close this chapter in this very dark chapter in American history.

Is it going to be a year from now that we see the details? A month? Six months? What do you think? I can't predict that. All I can say is that the Attorney General William Barr and John Durham have been traveling the world over the last four months, meeting with these particular countries that I detail in my book, some of the operatives that were meeting with me, and trying to figure out who was running them at me and for

what purposes. Whether it was nefarious or not, we don know yet but we'll find out soon and in uh just you know in terms of the monkeying with our election electronically which they've done through the internet which is a whole different matter uh wanda sykes the other day said no they they as long as they keep using race as the bludgeon they will they will have a fact i think she's right i think she's right about that but that's a whole other matter which is our electronic attack that both i'm imagining. I'm imagining every big country is doing right now to each other. It must be.

And look, I'm completely for a bipartisan approach to combating election interference because it deals with cybersecurity at this point. And that's the future of warfare. I don't think we're going to have tanks rolling across the borders the way we did. We're going to have espionage and cyber attacks that can cripple a country. You're talking like a spy, George. You seem to know something. What does your wife spy may say? What do they say? Do you want to imagine the future creator or one of those types? So if you see it, and I think people can predict that that's where we're moving as a world, we should address it. And clearly interfering in foreign governments' elections,

whether you're a friend or a foe, is something that they would do. Seems to me part of that is going to be the space stuff too, which is the satellite systems. And the fact that people are making fun of that, I think you do that in great error because if you could knock out everybody's satellites, well, that's it for the electronic piece

or the cyber piece. That's exactly right. And so to me, the space is not about spaceships fighting with each other. It's about the liability of all these things we use up in space to run our economies. And God knows the clouds and stuff that are up there. Oh, my God.

And that's a wild field because there is no regulation yet. Yet. You guys, I'm going to wrap things up. It's been a privilege. It's a honor to have you here again. Thank you for being here. And George,

really great to meet you. And we'll be happy to support you any way I possibly can. And, and Susan Pinsky is going to contribute to your campaign. Something she's never done before. I don't think. Have you ever contributed to a campaign? Yeah.

Catherine Barker. Oh yeah. Okay. Of course we've done that. Uh, Mrs. Producer, anything else? I of course. We've done that. Mrs. Producer, anything else? I love you.

I love you, too. Thank you to Caleb Nation for producing this and, of course, Susan, Michelle Poe for the set design. Lindsay K. Floyd who's on the phones

there with us. I'm sorry, people I don't get to on the phones. We will try to do the Daily Dose as much as possible this week. It won't be quite so fancy because I'm going to be

on the road in New York, but we'll try to ring in. Yeah, we've got to figure out how to work it out. We're trying to figure out how to do that on the road, so we will figure something out. We are not doing the Ask Dr. Drew next Sunday because we're not going to be here, right? Super Bowl. Super Bowl Sunday. We're flying to Denver to do the Daily Blast.

Right. We'll give you guys a day off of all that. And check out After Dark with your mom's house. Check out Dr. Drew Podcast, Adam out Dr. Drew podcast, Adam and Dr. Drew. Anything you guys want to plug other than the campaign, any place that you want to give me your Twitter handles.

Simona Mangiante. That's M-A-N-G-I-A-N-T-E. And I'm at George Papa 19. And I'm also very happy to announce that I've recently launched my own podcast. Oh, good. Punching back with George Papadopoulos. I'd love to have you on as a guest to talk, to get into more of this crisis that we're dealing with,

because I think you are the go-to expert. I would love to pick your brain more about it. I will go off on it. I'm happy to do so. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you all for listening and participating.

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