Ask Dr. Drew - Ask Dr. Drew - Simona Mangiante - Episode 2

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

Simona Mangiante joins Dr. Drew LIVE and answers questions from callers about her career as a lawyer, swimsuit designer, and model. Simona also discusses her marriage to George Papadopoulos, the Mueller investigation of Pres. Donald Trump, and her upcoming projects. Thank you to our sponsor Social CBD - DrDrew.com/socialcbd How does trauma develop into mental illness? How do you deal with social media harassment? Dr. Drew helps callers with these top questions, and addresses homelessness, avoiding relapse, the side effects from Lexapro withdrawal, and more. • Get an alert next time Dr. Drew is taking calls: DrDrew.tv • For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. Produced by Susan Pinsky and Kaleb Nation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we're going to beef everything up since I'm not going to be doing daytime radio so much anymore. My guest today is Simona Mangiante. She is a swimwear designer, a lawyer who worked with the European Parliament. She's also a model herself. And she is thrust into the spotlight lately because she is married to George Papadopoulos. If you pronounce his name properly. Yes. If you have been a fan, well, if you've been following what's going on in Washington, you would have heard his name and you would have seen Simona representing her husband

in the midst of the mess. So tell us what happened and what that was like. It was my first... And you married him in the middle of all this, too, didn't you? Exactly. That's a crazy thing. That is crazy. Officially, that's crazy. First of all, it's great to be with you today. You as well. Thank you. Thanks for hosting me.

You bet. I became public, if you want, in the United States because I came here in the middle of a terrible storm, which was the Mueller investigation. Did you come here because of that? Or did you come here because of your business? I was actually dating George. George is the one that drove me.

I mean, I always say from Italy, with love. Got it. So you guys met over there? We met in New York, over a trip. And then the first time i experienced any problem with the muller investigation it was over my first trip to chicago when i came to see him after our great holiday in the greek islands and the italian italian island everything was beautiful everything was fine uh so uh once in a once i landed in

chicago i got a subpoena by Mueller. Now, that sounds crazy, and it's a very long story. Did you know what was going on? Did you understand what you were being sucked into? I just knew that Georgia had been interviewed by the FBI, but of course, my suspect, all my assumptions, drove me to this work with President Trump. And that's why I didn't pay so much attention to that.

I knew there was an investigation going on. Because you thought that's reasonable for them to investigate him. He had some experience with the campaign. Exactly. So there is an investigation going on. What was his job there? It was a foreign policy advisor. And was he in terms of campaigning?

Well, it was really helping Trump building bridges with the foreign governments. It was based in London at the time. Once he was president or while he was campaigning? Well, it was really helping Trump building bridges with the foreign governments. It was based in London at the time. Once he was president or while he was campaigning? No, while he was campaigning. So he was a campaign advisor. Got it. And, you know, it was based in London, so very easy to track all his communication via email. And as I said, everything developed in a total lack of understanding.

For you? For everybody. Even for him. And did you think, what's the big deal? What's the big deal? I mean, I'm a lawyer. So I said, okay, there is an investigation going on. It's quite...

So it's just, what do you call it? What do lawyers call this? Discovery. It's just a discovery. Discovery. Discovery and probably is helping the government to make clarity about so many things, as it did actually in the end,

as he thought it was doing. So I really didn't pay so much attention to that uh until the moment i realized that i did work for the same guy that set him up in london at the london center of international law practice and this was in the beginning the reason why the fbi wanted to meet with me to know how much i knew about that guy that now we know has been discovered to be a Western intelligence asset. He's a spy, but not a Russian spy, as he was characterized in the beginning. What's his name? Joseph Mifsud.

He's a... Maltese professor, not Russian at all, based professor on the Lane campus in Rome. So we have this individual that has been portrayed as a Russian asset, but actually has nothing to do with Russia. So let me just imagine the way you were portrayed. So he is a Russian asset. You were somebody who has worked with him. Aha! Here we are.

Mata Hari, I know it. Mata Hari, exactly. For sure. And I want you to understand, and for you even as bewildering as it is, for somebody that grew up stateside, if I were to cast a movie with a female Russian operative, you would get that role. You would be in that role.

Your entire story would fit in, and I'd cast you in that role. I love it. Actually, my next achievement is to play a spy in a movie. You'd be good. You'd be really good at it. That's what I want to do. Oh, my God.

So I really had this Mueller people asking me, that's you'd be good you'd be really good at it that's what i want to do oh my god so i i really had this uh muller people in this asking me uh if i was uh providing any information to george for any other government which government was paying me and i was feeling like okay what's going on here and i said you know what you're very difficult to profile why a lawyer would have an acting name an acting profile and do acting and modeling? Well, the truth, I was born to that. What did you do for the European Parliament? I was a legal advisor to the presidency office. So I was working for a parliamentary committee, and in particular, I was working in child abductions. So it was a very tough topic.

I love to work in human rights. you know as a very young professional when i joined european parliament it built up a lot of my professional skills and my personality and my empathy toward the issues involving children and civil rights human rights human rights so but at the same time you're a human rights lawyer yes and i've always been though uh an artist deep down i mean i always wanted to to study acting or to design. So you got bored? I got bored and my parents are very conservative. They told me, no, there is no option for you now to

become what you want to become, study law, you will have a great career and then, you know, you decide what to do. And you were living in Italy? You grew up in Italy? I grew up in Italy. What's your ethnicity? I'm Italian 100% but I just took an ancestry test. And? They think you're Italian? And they think you're Italian? Your parents think you're Italian?

Well, my parents are. You don't look Italian. You look a little more Eastern. I do. That's true. You look like a Russian asset. I do. That's unperfect for the role, as you said, right? Oh, my God.

It's so hysterical. Follow Simona on Instagram, Simona underscore Mangiante, M-A-N-G-I-A-N-T-E. Twitter at Simona Mangiante, M-A-N-G-I-A-N-T-E. Twitter, at Simona Mangiante. Facebook, slash, this is what I have, P-O-L-L-O-N dot O-L-I-M-P-O 33. Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos, okay. My married name. Okay, got it.

And what else do you want people to know about you? The Agape by Simona? Yes, this is my fashion line. Okay, got it. Can we take a quick call? Because somebody's got a really interesting call here. It's about your husband. No, no. Hi, George, by theona.com. Yes, this is my fashion line. Okay, got it. Can we take a quick call? Because somebody's got a really interesting call here. It's about your husband. No, no.

Hi, George, by the way. This is Richard. Richard, interesting question. Go right ahead. Yes. Hi, Simona. Hi, Richard. Lindsey Graham promised

to allow George to testify in public in the Senate. Is Lindsey Graham going to keep his word and allow your husband to testify and let the American people know what really happened? Or is Lindsey Graham covering for the deep state because he seems he doesn't want to call any hearings whatsoever? Thank you. Thank you for your question. Hi. Well, I hope he will. What I know is that George is ready to go and is not afraid to say whatever he has to say for the benefits of everybody

to know. Do you think he's going to end up in... Are they even going to have a hearing in the Senate, do you think? I think they expressed the interest to have a hearing in the Senate. And has he been contacted? Not directly yet, but I know they want to invite him and they already expressed this agreement to go. Why are they interested in him? What is it he has to say that's going to be of interest, if you can say? Well, he has actually what is also the object of his book, he basically revealed all this number of players that

happened to result in spying in the Trump campaign. Is this back to the Steele dossier stuff? Yes. So has he been approached by Barr and the Department of Justice? You can't talk about that. Well, I can't really talk about it, but what I can say comfortably is that he already put a lot of information out there.

Your husband? Yes, and he already testified under oath to Congress and is willing to do that again. And why did he get in trouble with Mueller? Where was the problem? Well, it was literally, literally set up. I mean, they fabricated this lie to the FBI that actually was not more, not less than misremembering a date. I mean, we have to understand when you are in a room with the FBI, it's easy to be caught in a contradiction. If they want to make of you a target, they will.

What did you eat last morning? You lied. You lied. So, okay, I'm a felon. I'm convicted for lying. Obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice or whatever. But I never understood what it was his motive to lie.

Because literally the lie was misremembering the date he met with Mifsud. So my boss, James Bond. The Russian operative. The Russian operative. He's not a Russian operative, right? No, I'm not his James Bond girl. But he was a spy for somebody. He was.

He was definitely a spy. To me, you want to know my feeling, even if it's sort of crazy to say, to me he was an Italian asset. He was an Italian spy in the UK. Yes, Western intelligence, Italian, UK. I mean, definitely was an asset. Who He was an Italian spy in the UK. Yes, Western intelligence, Italian, UK. I mean, definitely.

Who did he work for? Maybe both sides. Both sides. Who knows? I mean, you'll see a lot of things going on there. Yes, I see it. I never thought it could be. I mean, I've always been very sneaky, like a networking person, speaking Italian perfectly. You're a spy.

I mean, exactly. And then I think he was trying to recruit me at some point, by the way. I'm a spy. I mean, exactly. And then I think he was trying to recruit me at some point, by the way. I'm not joking. But not for the Russians. For the Italian government. I mean, my experience

with the London Centre lasted three months, not more than that. And he was involving me in sort of strange secret symposium meetings. Did you talk about that when the mother interviewed you? Oh yeah, I told them everything.

And I was caught in a lie. You were? Oh, you were not. You remembered everything. You're younger. How long have you been in this country? Not even two years. Not yet. What do you think of the craziness here? It's extremely

crazy. I say my American dream is very cloudy it's a nightmare it's a nightmare but it's also a dream because i mean i i love the love story in the middle of the bench shirt was very intense very passionate right like decide you know to fight together for something that's interesting it's really you together. Yes. Crucible of war, sort of. Yes. So, I mean, from a certain point of view,

and then it's like it made me grow up so fast. I mean, I was used to pretty mainstream life. I was, you know, a lawyer at the European Parliament. I had my little exit of oxygen

when I was doing my little modeling things or acting under, you know, under an alias, of course, because I couldn't be at the European Parliament and then having this sort of hobby. But at the same time, I was really, I mean, I didn't expect anybody to be capable to rewrite my entire existence and then put a stigma on me and then have to live with that every day. Well, and then social media, I'm imagining, was just probably brutal. Totally brutal.

I mean, just have a look out there. They attacked me more than George. I mean, that's really... Well, we say, I would argue this country saves very special... I don't have a strong enough word for women. We brutalize women when they step, in our opinion, out of line. That's something that I experienced in my skin brutally. There is also this guy I don't even want to mention,

do not give him publicity, but he wrote an entire book about me full of lies. You know, I don't have time and resources to waste in a lawsuit right now, but when you have a publication with a chapter in which you write that I took $250,000 from the European Parliament, so suggesting I was operating, which is not true, without backing up with any evidence. What do your parents think? They must be dying.

Do they know? They don't know. No, I try to keep know away from most of the information but my mother is an english teacher so she understands english very well and uh you know she goes on twitter and she's terrified she's terrified because you know in the end uh she she just sees like how a lie can become uh can inflate and become like a boomerang like a tsunami and you know they to me about everything. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Caserta, nearby Naples.

I studied Naples. I studied the University of Law of Naples. And then I did different international programs in Spain, in Brussels, in Paris, in New York, and Washington. And your parents are still in Naples? Yes. And what did your dad do for a living? My father is a college director, a classicist, actually.

My mother is an English teacher. And thankfully, he doesn't speak good English. No, he speaks ancient Greek and ancient Latin. Yeah, he speaks. But, you know, he doesn't. He reads Homer in the original language. Yes. But he doesn't have to suffer through Twitter.

No, exactly. My mother does. I mean, she's becoming very, you know, like very familiar with social net. Thanks God she doesn't have Instagram yet. But Twitter, really scary. Scary because, and sometimes even when I simply walk the street, I have people telling lady, I said, look, I have my passport in my bag. Do you want to see that? And when I do that, it's not because I need to prove myself, but just because I want to expose how obvious these lies are. Russians could have given you that passport. I mean, everybody knows you can fake some documents.

Putin's pretty powerful. But I would not be free. Right. Well, i just like that you i mean your attorney so you have some training and going back at people who are crazy like that uh let's see i'm i'm trying to get some we have a bunch of calls in here and we're going to get to them i promise uh my goodness well here's's somebody that wants to talk about your fashion lines. Let's give him a chance to do that. Steven, go ahead.

Hi, Simona. Big fan. I've actually been following you on Twitter for a while, and I just wanted to say I bought two of your pieces from your designer, one where Aphrodite and Electra from my significant other, and they are incredible designs and they're made so well. And I had two things to say following one. I don't know how you deal with the amount of hatred on social media,

but yet you continue to stay positive and stay so driven in all of your endeavors, especially from those people that might call you family. It's obscene, and you just handle it like a champ. Steve, what do you see? What are they saying? What are they doing? Well, you've got members of her distant family that are attacking her and slandering her with the most ridiculous lies. Hold on.

She's going to address that. Hold on. Thanks, first of all, for buying a swimsuit for your girlfriend. I hope she enjoyed it. I really, you know, it's my passion. It's my baby, the fashion line. So I'm so happy, you i really you know it's it's my passion it's my baby the fashion line so i'm so happy you know you are you mentioned it uh concerning the bullying on social media uh yes he's referring to uh i guess some uh family member but not on george's side or somebody who's claiming to be a family member. hurtful but I believe there is a huge misunderstanding in the region of this

false allegation that there are a bunch of let's say jealous people that probably dehumanized me and they decided to portray me as a monster while I of course I'm not a perfect person but I have done my best for Georgia. So definitely, I mean, I can't relate to that. What else, Stephen? Anything else crazy out there? Stephen? Oh, well, I just want to say that, you know, anyone looking at Simona with all she deals with,

both on Georgia's side of life and her own, and she manages to keep a positive point of view through the whole thing. I mean, if you look at her timeline, you'll have these psychopaths saying that she's a horrible person. And she's clearly a woman who's very driven and creative and unique. Thank you so much. And I just wanted to say thank you for sharing that with everyone. You got it. Thanks, Stephen. Thank you.

You know, it overwhelms me that people see through the hate and, you know, the real you. And this was very good. The reality is, it's so interesting. Do you get it all day, every day on your Twitter feed?

Yes. Pretty much, yes. And yet the reality is most people don't know and don't care that's true right by most i mean most and you are so right but the you need to think about it to realize it yeah because it because it rains down the negativity you know you open your phone first thing in the morning you see these horrible things that you did and i pretend i don't care but actually it has to affect you.

I get tons of it, too. I get tons of it. It does. And especially from my standpoint, I'm only trying to do good. I'm trying to help do good, be useful, make a difference. Seems like you're sort of from that point of view, right? Me, too.

I'm really... You're a human rights lawyer. I'm a human rights lawyer. I don't go after everybody. Even I think it's so sad when we discriminate women for uh this country i i noticed that when i i wrote a book uh about 10 years ago and i was talking about how women who misbehave and then i was talking about sort of britney spears and people like that how just brutal particular other women Is there other women that are coming after you? Oh yes.

Mostly women. Yeah, see isn't that weird? To me women should support each other. They should support each other. I mostly have this hot case of when we were talking about family members, we were talking about people I never met like someone married to George's brother

who I never met in my life but she's so obsessed with me. She would go to journalists and feed with lies and the writing that I'm a horrible person. She believes you're a Russian ass. Well, maybe, but actually she reported me

for being a Russian ass. See, there you go. She believes you're the reason that George went to jail or whatever. And then you say like, okay, really? I mean, fine. But at some point,

in the beginning you laugh, but then you say, I say,, really? I mean, fine. But at some point, in the beginning you laugh, but then you say, really? What's wrong with you? I want to talk, because you're very European, I want to understand the latest art scandal, which is the $120,000 banana. But before we do that, we're going to talk maybe a little homelessness here with Patrick.

Let's see what he has to say. Patrick, go ahead. Hello, Drew. You're my big hero here, so I'm nervous. You're good, buddy. From a medical perspective, from a medical professional's perspective, and you were old enough to remember the grid crisis, HIV, AIDS, back in the 80s.

Oh, yeah. You guys were vilified when you tried in the 80s. Oh, yeah. You guys were vilified when you tried to enlighten people. Oh, yeah. They denied it. It was, you know, are you shameful? Well, let me hold you for a second, Patrick. Patrick, what happened was,

it's really interesting. So I was taking care of lots of what we were just starting to call AIDS. I was in training back when AIDS hit, the epidemic. And it was one of the saddest chapters of human history and no one's left to remember it. They all died. I remember it.

It was unbelievable. And I had an opportunity to be on the radio and I went on the radio on this late night show that was Loveline at the time. And I was stunned that no one was talking to young people about this. I'm like, oh, my God, they seem to not have any idea this is coming. And I knew what young people were up to, but at that point in history, this country believed that, yes, we'd been through a sexual revolution. It doesn't apply to adolescents and young adults.

Just adults do this, not adolescents. What? They know better? I knew better. So I was talking to adolescents about using condoms and about this epidemic and I was crucified for daring to talk to young people about things that should not be spoken of and the AIDS

phenomena was part of what you don't talk about. And I was just like, I couldn't. Much the way I feel about homeless now, I felt about that AIDS thing, that I couldn't shut up because it was too important to talk about. I feel the same way about homeless in Los Angeles. For people who don't know. Yeah, now that was what I was getting to. Hold on a second.

Yeah, let me explain. How is it that. Hang on a second. I'm explaining what the grids crisis. What Patrick means is grids was what we call AIDS before the term AIDS came. It was called Gay-Related Intestinal Disease Syndrome. And when I started taking care of AIDS patients, we were still calling it grids. We were just starting to call it AIDS and knew, but he was talking to young people about it.

But go ahead, Patrick. I'm sorry I interrupted you. So that was my question, how that historic episode compares now with how you feel about the homelessness crisis. Because you've walked through the streets. You've seen them. You went out and you said that on Fox News that you've seen these people.

And Gavin Newsom won't do anything. He doesn't go and see these people and gavin newsom won't do anything he doesn't go and see these people i know and then facebook google these enormous corporations they talk about human rights but then they don't do anything they don't follow through with this you know commitment to their principles right so at some point like in the mid 90s i'm 37 in the mid 90s you could talk about age it wasn't that bad and by the late 90s you know it was fully out there right that's right it took a while this seems to be a little more this seems to be a little more ossified thanks patrick i'll talk about it uh and as someone who took care i i i see who is in the streets because they are my patients. This is the population I took care of for over 30 years working in a psychiatric hospital.

It's the drug addicts. It's the chronic psychotic. It's people that will die in the streets, and they're dying at the rate of three a day. Three a day. That's incredible. It's ridiculous. In Italy, what do they do with serious mental illness? What if somebody says, I'm Jesus, and I want to smoke crack,

and you're beaming thoughts into my head? What would they do with that person? Would they leave him on the street to defecate on the sidewalk? I've been volunteering at the Union Rescue downtown. The Union Rescue Mission? Yes. With Reverend Bales? Yes. Isn't he amazing?

Amazing. And also, because George was doing his community service there. He was volunteering there for a long time. And what really made me feel sick was that they're not simply people have a problem like

homeless poverty like in Italy happens most of the time. This isn't poverty. This is mental illness. This is mental illness. You're dealing with drug addiction and mental illness. Yes, that's it. Period. The way... Union Rescue is amazing.

I really felt... I enjoyed working in the kitchen, preparing lunches and giving to them. Many people that are hired are ex-addicted. Correct. Then they work there. That's the LA Mission and Union Rescue Mission both do that.

They're staffed all the way through with people in recovery. I was so much impressed. And they always were sharing with me their past of heroin addiction or even jail time, crack, whatever. And you see that inside there is a lot of humanity, but outside, as you walk out the door, they are on the street. Right, and see, so what drives me crazy

is I know how to help those people on the street. It's not a problem. It'd be very easy. I know exactly how to do it. Our laws won't allow it. That's crazy. Our laws are the problem. That's crazy.

That's crazier than the people defecating on the street. Our laws are crazier than the people on the street. And this is not a third world problem. This is a medieval problem. Medieval. Back when people thought they were possessed or needed to be. You have to marginalize them and not deal with them. And then you're going to get medieval infectious diseases on the heels of that.

That's true. And that's true. I promise And that's true because what happened, even like I posted a picture yesterday, like nearby Hollywood Boulevard, and you have these people that, you know, the health condition must be terrible. There are new diseases developing. Typhus with rats are out of control.

Rats are everywhere. They bring typhus. They bring arseniaus. Yeah. They bring ursinia, which, yeah, you know what ursinia is. Yes. Oh, my God. I never heard of this from a woman. Ursinia, the more common name is bubonic plague.

Ursinia is endemic in this region of the world. It follows typhus. Last outbreak in the world was in Los Angeles in the 1920s. Oh, my God. Yeah. So non-tuberculosis exploding exploding leprosy exploding non-tuberculous afb something called emavium exploding this is this is going to go very bad flu exploding measles if it gets into that population watch out so um all right you want

me to wait take a break there uh caleb or you want to take a all right we'll do the break right now i got lots of great calls. I'm going to get to that. I'm here with Simona Mangiante. You can see her on all her pages. It's all essentially Simona Mangiante, M-A-N-G-I-A-N-T-E. And so imagine if you just Google your name,

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time and you seem and I think I said this last time you seem to be a very intelligent individual and so I've worked through my life a lot of I grew up in Vegas. Born and raised in Vegas. And then now in Santa Barbara since I was 23. Formerly educated, yes. Educated through the school system. I hear pipeline, whatever

Adam talks about. All that. I get how the yin and the yang of it all. She's talking about Adam Carolla. Absolutely. I get how the yin and the yang of it all. He and I. She's talking about Adam Carolla. It's a different topic. Absolutely. You're right.

You're right. Him and you, I get that. And I hear the development of that and understand the development of you two, your relationship between the two people. Got it. And what's fascinating about that, um, to me is, um, how two people can get along from two different, like, uh, let me, let me tell you, no, I understand. Um, I mean, we're the same age. We have a lot of peer experiences that are similar growing up in this part of the country. So we have a lot of similarities that are not apparent. And he was the way I got access to people's ears, right?

We used to say, you know, he was the Gainsburger, I was the pill. We were trying to get people to take a pill, got to wrap it in something tasty. You know what? I apologize. I apologize for interrupting. No problem. I apologize. No, go.

Go ahead. Just that I... Taking that aspect out of it, just the actual genuine personality or the back and forth of it, I think there's something bigger to that as you guys both know that i take i understand from coming from different villages that's what i'm just sharing knowledge that i i hear you i hear you and it is listen and as he

also said he used to he's a really brilliant comedian? And so I have to learn at the hem of his skirt. You know what I mean? It's not something I know anything about. And so I try to listen. I try to play along with the stuff he's doing. But as he said to me once, he goes, look, brisket and brisket is not very tasty. But brisket and some gravy and some potato, you you got to have two different things going on to make a make a meal to make it interesting this is a show i do with adam carolla who i've worked with

since the 90s what is really crazy and unusual about our relationship is that we have worked together for 25 years almost and that we've had our moments of conflict and difficulties and we're always sort of conflicting in our on the air and what we're doing because we come from very different points of view um but we when the day is done it's like like being a boxer or something you shake hands and you appreciate the other guy's work and you go home i mean you have a steak it's not something you carry with you so uh appreciate that steve i want to get to one more difficult call here, if you don't mind. This is from Brenda. Brenda, go ahead. Hi, Dr. Drew. Oh my God, I've been listening to you

since I was like 17 years old. Wow, and here we are. What's going on? I can't believe I'm actually talking. Here we are. And it's really, it's kind of like, it's kind of weird because that's where the start of my drug addiction happened. I've got a 17-year-old marker, and I'm talking to you now, trying to get help with it. Well, I hope this has meaning. So you are still addicted, right? Yeah. What's your drug of choice?

What do you got, basically? So polydrug. Typically uppers. You like meth. Yeah. You like meth. Yeah. You like meth. Meth is your thing. No, I'm sorry.

Meth is mostly your thing. So I was, yeah, exactly. Because I, well, I had never done it until 2016,

but that got me homeless on the streets of Austin, Texas. Right. Speaking of homelessness. Yeah, no, that's meth.

In LA, I know it. That's meth. It'll do I know it. That's math. It'll do it every time. It's a really bad thing going on in Austin right now. I see on Twitter, like, they're just attacking the homeless out there. Yeah, that's one, by the way, that's one of the things that scares me. If we don't do something about this, like some horrible disease emerges in homeless

population, they're going to get, I mean, I don't know if there's going to be vigilante action. It really scares me. And I understand the populace. Well, I think there is. Well, maybe in Austin, and thank God yet in Los Angeles, people are getting sick of it, but they're not, they haven't lost their humanity yet,

so thank God. But let's talk about you. No, they are losing their humanity. Well, in Austin. Well, like I said. You let's talk about you. No, they are losing their humanity. Well, in Austin. You're in Baltimore now, right? I am. I'm living with my mother and my kids. Okay, and how much were you smoking meth once or twice a day still?

I can't find that in Maryland, so I'm back to crack. Okay, how often are you doing crack? Just about every day, but I'm really trying to say, screw this. This is not what I want. I don't want to get sick. You're almost done. You're sick and tired of being sick and tired.

But I do. You're almost done. So how much are you drinking? Whenever I have money, I get alcohol. Okay. But it's really usually only once a week. Okay. So Baltimore has – I hear you.

So you're sort of binge using now, but you would use every day if you could. I get it. Listen. Yeah. It is what it is. Exactly. So there's good recovery in Baltimore. There's good stuff going on.

There's good treatment. Yeah. Right? So you need to, when you put the phone down with me, you need to go online and look up Alcoholics Anonymous and just show up at a local meeting. Yeah. That's all you got to do.

Raise your hand and go, I need help. I literally did that last night. Beautiful. Like, I don't have transportation to get to, I mean, like, literally. Literally. I was online last night. I was going to go to a meeting at 9 o'clock and it was freezing outside to ride the bus, so I didn't have transportation to get to, I mean, like literally, literally, I was online last night. I was going to go to a meeting at nine o'clock and it was freezing outside to ride the bus, so I didn't do it.

You know what you do? You contact them. They usually have a phone number, particular meetings. You can get at least a hold of the secretary and say, I'm in trouble. I need a lift. And they will come and pick you up. Okay. Let me ask you this. Okay. Yeah ask me my mom my mom's losing her house

and for the most part she's probably gonna have a place to live my kids are gonna have a place to live but nobody likes me because i'm an addict and i lost my kids for two years on the street you know because i was homeless on the street and my mom had my kids. Got it. But, if I'm homeless again, I'll bet they're off. If I'm homeless without my kids, I'll bet they're off.

Hey, Brenda, you're putting, you're, you're, yeah, I get you. And I've, I, these are,

these are not unrealistic, but you're letting all that get in the way right now. Right now, all that matters is you raise your hand and you ask for help. And there are armies of people ready to help you. you raise your hand and you ask for help.

And there are armies of people ready to help you. You raise your hand at a meeting. You go, I'm in trouble. Where do I go? Who can help me? And you start showing up. Brenda, Brenda, Brenda, seriously. This is no BS.

Commit to me. You will start. Commit to me. I will start going to some meetings. I will call. I will have them pick me up, and I will go. Literally, when I get off the phone with you, I'm going to call the number that's on the NAAA

Baltimore. There's a phone number you can call. Beautiful. And then, are we doing this next week? This show? Susan? Producer? Okay. So next week, you're going to call me and tell me what's going on in this very show. Okay? Yes, sir. You got it. Thank you. i'll talk to you in a week excellent yeah there's all this data now that shows that we have very rich recovery community in this part of the country and it's

called mutual aid societies and these are mutual support is what gets people through these things like relationships are what heals these people in this brenda's condition and there's now evidence basis for that where the science shows that those kinds of free services that she can access tomorrow all day if she wants free has a better chance of giving her abstinence as good or better than any other treatment that's all she has to do. Now, if she can't, if it doesn't work, there's professionalized treatment out there. She should get that if necessary.

But you start by, we call it running up the white flag, surrendering. Show up at a meeting, say, I need help. That's it. It's that easy. Follow directions. But it's not to feel alone. It's a little worse because when you're in addiction, you don't want to follow directions. Your brain's telling other things and you have to just give it a give up okay you have to listen to other people they just take direction you may not want to do everything

that anything they're telling you that's incredibly what you're doing yeah and so it works i know how to i know how it works it's uh um let me look a the other calls real quick before we ooh ooh oh well let's alright well since we're going down this path let's do another stimulant okay if you don't mind Holly how you doing Holly

yes hi hey you're sober 15 years you're sober 15 years. You're sober 15 years from, I'm going to bet alcohol, right? No. No. No. Why would you bet that?

Don't pigeonhole me. No, I'm not pigeonholing. I'm just trying to put your whole case together. I'm a lot more gangster than I seem. So what was your drug of choice? Yeah, no. I had gone, actually I went to Betty Ford when I was 23 for alcohol. I had never done any drugs. That's what I just said.

That's what I just said, Holly. I said, I bet you originally got treated for alcoholism. That's all I said. And that's what happened. No, but I wasn't... There's a story behind that. I did not have an alcohol problem. You weren't...

Then that's... My mother got panicked. There's a story behind that. Like I would not, I did not have an alcohol problem. You weren't. That's my, my mother. I thought panic. Then, then, then Betty Ford, either way, I alcohol is not what my deal is now.

Hang on. Then Betty Ford should lose their license because if you do not meet criteria for, because I feel like I walked in there normal and like came out convinced I was a drug addict. And then I met someone at an aa meeting who like introduced me to meth which solved every problem i've ever had in my life at the moment yeah so what's the question we're ruining it yeah right so what's the question um yeah so i was uh

i did meth for a couple years and then i you know moved out of my city and got sober I did the whole AA thing for 15 years got a master's degree teaching credentials married had a kid all this and then I relapsed about two years ago a little over two years ago and for me to relapse

is just to use every day so I mean from a completely sober frame of mind I like literally walked up to some guy behind Circle K, you know, dressed like a teacher, and asked him for dope. I think when we, when you get back into recovery, we will, when you get back into recovery, you will look at what happened there,

and you will find a lot more was going on than you suspect. But that's okay. So you need to get going, get back into but here's the deal is that this is you know i had kaiser insurance at the time do my teaching job you know i'm a student don't tell anybody but like um you know i went to the addiction specialist there and he told me you know oh what you're just going to be uncomfortable you'll just be uncomfortable so you need to quit on your own for 10 days and then come back and maybe you know we'll talk about possible outpatient i don't know and then when i told

him that wasn't acceptable he literally had me thrown out of his office and escorted out by security and i was trying to stop before i lost everything And now I've lost everything. So, including my daughter. Okay. My job. So, what do you want? My health insurance. What do you want? So, I just don't know where to go. I have not been able to find treatment.

So far, you've blamed Betty Ford and Kaiser for your drug addiction. Good job. So, what do you want to do? No, but I did it. I need to find treatment is what I've been seeking. I'm blaming them for not Giving me appropriate treatment yeah Betty Ford whatever that was a Kid who cares like I don't blame them for anything

In fact that's probably the most Amazing month I've ever had in my life To be honest with you I mean I don't knock that place at all So but um So I don't know where to go now Where do you live

In Southern California All right. So you have no money. Where do you live? Where do you live? In Southern California. Okay. Go to CryHelp. Do not pass go. Just go to CryHelp right now, right this minute. Okay?

It's in North Hollywood. I have so many butts. What's that? What's that? I have so many butts. Yeah, I know. I understand. And so there's no buts. What's that? What's that? I have so many buts. Yeah, I know. I understand. There's no buts. You go. You want treatment? Because I've been to all those places and none of them have beds or anything.

It's like... You talk to the admissions office at Cry Help. I know. You get set up at Cry Help with the admissions office and when they have a bed, they will call you. If not, call me back next week and we'll talk about some other places you can get in touch with. You can try Casa de las Amigas in Pasadena. You could try, geez, for women, definitely CryHelp. I don't know if Impact is doing women right now. I doubt you'd

stay there. I think CryHelp is probably the best thing for you go do not pass go just go all those butts and blames is is the illness talking not you my dear as you know we have 15 years sobriety you know better talk about rotten bananas taped to a wall can we get a picture of the rotten banana tape for the wall oh we have a video let's go to the video then watch this simona dollar throne stolen from from England's Blenheim Palace over the summer. Banana on the wall, you can make a lot of bananas with it. Many believe this more appealing piece at a ripe $120,000 represents the art world and its gaping wealth inequalities. Others advise not to think that deep.

It's mocking the art world. That's what Marito Catalan does. All right,. It's mocking the art world. That's what Marito Catalan does. All right, so he's mocking the art world. Would anybody in, where was that, in Paris or something? It was in Hart Basel in Miami, I think. Oh, it was in Miami. One of the most famous art sphere in the world. And would somebody have paid $120,000 for that?

Actually, yes. Yes? Yes. And the crazy about art is that creativity is in the pocket of the person that is going to buy. I mean, you must be very creative in your mind to see an artwork in this banana. Do you think that's art? Do you believe that's art? I don't believe it's art, personally. Well, there's a follow-on.

Now, has this follow-on got a video also? Okay, so the follow-up is art, in my opinion. The follow-up is art, for sure. Okay, let's watch. Okay, let's see. Art performance. Art performance. Hungry artist.

Yep. hungry artist we respect Mauricio but it's art performance hungry artist thank you very good is he the artist? he's a performance artist he's not the guy who bought it either he didn't buy it I know he just destroyed it Is he the artist? He's a performance artist. He's a performance artist. Okay. Now, do you think... He's not the guy who bought it either. He didn't buy it, I know.

He just destroyed it. He just destroyed the artwork. And so the question is, my first... It was called Hungry Artist, arts performance by me, David whatever. And I love Maurizio Catalan artwork. I really love this installation. It's very delicious.

That was his caption. At least you can eat the first piece of art that you can eat. Not for long, by the way. If it had stayed up there much longer, you would not have been able to eat it. No, don't say that. Like a mummified version of a banana. My question is, do you think these guys were in cahoots?

Do you think they did it together? Like the first guy put it up and the second guy knocked it down. I don't know. I think sometimes they come up with the most crazy ideas. I have this artist. We have a picture of your artist. My wife sent you a text today

about this story. She said I was going to discuss it. And you sent back this picture. Yeah, that's what I sent back. Merde d'artiste. Voilà, en français. Merde d'artiste. Merde d'artiste. Voilà, en français. Merde d'artiste. Merde d'artiste. Canto conserver au naturel, it's natural product, put in box in the month of May 19-something. So it was boxed and there he signed it. Well preserved. Well preserved. Yet we put it back, because interestingly, the produced by is in English.

Yes. Which is weird. Yes. But French makes it always more chic. Oh, of course. Okay, so we have Merle d'Artiste. Which is shit of the artist. Oh, shit.

And he had multiple cans, I understand, right? Yes, yes. How many cans did he produce? I don't remember exactly the number, but... I heard it was something like 30 cans. 30 cans. And they've been selling very well. And they were very expensive.

I mean... Now, would David, whatever his name is, that did the performance artist with Maurizio Catalan, would he go open this can? Would he do something with it of a performance nature? The follow-up of this artwork, I hope it will not be like the banana. I hope will be nothing like the banana.

That would be impressive. Let's see. That is so crazy to me. Crazy. I know the Merle d'Artiste, to me, is a better idea than the rotten banana. I think so. You can preserve it.

You can preserve it. It's just by a large margin a better idea. Let's go to some calls here. It is it. It's just by a large margin a better idea. Let's go to some calls here. It is crazy. It's crazy. Oh, interesting. Here's somebody from Cambridge. Oh, hi.

Okay, let's talk to... They're awake? Well, it's nine hours later. Let's talk to Morgan. Is that you? Hey, Morgan Streetman. Yeah, I'm actually in Tampa, Florida, but I was calling about somebody in Cambridge. Yes.

And I first wanted to say, this is really for Simona. Thanks for having me, Dr. Drew. I've loved following your husband's story. I've read his book, State Target. Love watching you guys on Twitter. Thank you.

Love your swimwear line. Thank you. And so my question for tonight, obviously I'm a big fan of y'all's, but my question is, can you tell us what you think is going to happen with Stefan Halper, and particularly with respect to the upcoming impeachment hearings, and also the inspector general's report, and then maybe the criminal investigation and maybe for the audience's benefit. You can tell a little bit about who Stefan Halper is, but I'm really curious to know what you think is going to happen to him at this point as part of this whole story.

Thank you, Morgan. Thank you, Morgan. So for the audience, I start to give a little brief about who Stephen Alper is. Stephen Alper is this Cambridge professor who set George up at the time, inviting him to London. Wait, wait, Miss Food? No, this is Alper, he's another one. Okay.

Your other Russian colleague. Yes, Alper, he's my other colleague no actually i i'm mad at stephen hopper because he sent to george and a really seductive honeypot so i felt a sort of competition i see i understand wow you know this yeah blonde bombshell they said okay to try to to try to use him and say you know george it's so sexy to have, if you do some business with Russia. I'm going to sleep with you if you tell me everything about it. Who was she working for? She was working for the CIA.

And she, of course, it was a fake name. And she was the supporting role of the fat spy, less attractive. Stephen Halper is not attractive if you see a speech anyway no uh so i'm mad at him i'm mad at all of them reasonable uh yeah exactly uh so uh well to come back to the real i mean the the real this is real too but uh the impact of what happened is that uh we know that uh halper a helper has been paid by the FBI. So there is a track, just this person, this character has been outed to participate to this scheme of entrapment.

At Zaratourk, the blonde bombshell, blah, blah, blah, she disappeared. We know today she doesn't, this is not a real name. The phone number that at the time she provided doesn't exist. So, you know, we're just talking about this person that was seductive and then vanished. So I'm the only spy who stayed. Will this come up in the impeachment process, do you think? I mean, no.

I think what's scary about this process is that all this information, all these facts happen to infiltrate the Trump campaign with different characters. So Mifsud is the first one who approached George through the bomb of the dirt on Hillary Clinton. And the second professor was trying to extort to George by himself and through this honeypot some information about collusion with Russia. The reality is that this never happened.

George not even reported this information to the campaign at the time. That's the reason why it was not caught in anything major than misremembered date. Otherwise a conspiracy would have materialized. That's a helper, to go back to your question, is one of the central character because we know he not only invited George to London to work, you know, he was asked to do this paperwork on oil policies, But also Mike Flynn. So there are another Trump campaigner that was approached by the same professor

who seemed very interested in all the people working for the campaign of the current president. I think definitely all these characters didn't operate individually. They were all participating to the same scheme which is the one to you know

as you said you read the George book and explains very well what happened so definitely is part of the new investigation the Dura investigation and I'm happy that the new information that came out translated into a new criminal investigation a Dura investigation, and I'm happy that the new information that came out translated into a new criminal investigation,

which is very important. This is the current DOJ investigation? Yes, which is very important because, you know, it was a bunch of fluff that would die on the pet. There you go, Morgan. All right, thank you all so much. It was great to hear from you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Let me get get some tougher stuff here again we're sort of going back and forth between your husband's nightmare and other people's nightmare yes hang on here here we go this is Chad I believe

yes hi Dr. Deere hi Chad I saw one. Here we go. This is Chad, I believe. Yes. Hi, Dr. Deere. Hi, Chad. So my question is, is like, I had a spiritual awakening and now I'm in my van. I bought a van. I live in it. I want to be a counselor, a drug counselor, but I'm having problems identifying with society. So I kind of

pulled back from it. So I'm wondering if that's going to be effective in being a drug counselor. You need a license these days to be a counselor. And to have a license, you have to have an address. And you have to get deep in with the man with all kinds of licenses.

Right, right. I got a PO box. Yeah, I got a PO box. And I got kind of a place for mail. What's going on? Why withdrawing the way you are? What's up? I don't know.

I had an awakening, read a lot of books, and separated. The first three years, I lived in a Honda, and that kind of opened my eyes to basically society in general. Did that awakening include some hallucinogenic experience? No. It was just more of a no, like it was just more of a spiritual

sense of looking at the world, I guess. Like I see more crazy. It's kind of like I see the crazy in the world so I'm pulling back from it to look at it in a different way yeah I understand but you can do that and still have a place

to live right but is it needed like that's the thing do I need that to be a part of the because I really want to do. You need to have a place to live to do anything. Let's be fair.

You have to start with that. You have to have a place to shower. You have to have a place to hang your clothes. You have to have a place to be a human being like every other. That's what humans do. They live somewhere but I mean I got that like in my band it's just so simplified

and I'm wondering well the minimalist stuff I get I get that completely but I'm wondering what's going on and it's like the happiest I've ever been that's fine I respect the minimalizing I dig that but the not being transient and not having

a secure base to operate from is the part that's problematic. Right. I see the other results of the people that I see in parking lots and I'm like whoa, how close am I to that? You're close. I wonder if something else is going on, and you ought to get an evaluation just to see, just to be sure. For sure, I ran a program for a couple decades, and I would not be hiring people that did not have an address.

You just couldn't do it. Yeah. Right? And that's what I kind of need to to know because i'm currently in school right now to be a drug counselor and i didn't want to do it half-assed i want to do it right all right just start to rebuild your life rebuild it and i think you'll feel a little differently about the spiritual raking or integrate it into a more stable existence let's put it that way and and definitely there's something going on,

you know, something makes people that way. I agree with you. Good luck, man. Good luck. Oh, we had, you know, did you see Saturday Night Live this week? No, I didn't. Are you a fan?

Not so much. I'm here for too short time to be familiar with the comedy. Yes, I understand. I may play you the video of the opening of Saturday Night Live because the reason I thought of you is that it involved European leaders. Oh, really? That's interesting to know. It was pretty funny.

Oh, wow. Let me try to get some of the calls. People have been calling me for a while, and I have not yet had a chance to get to, so I will try to get to these guys. Let's talk to, I don't know the caller's name. Kayla? That's me. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi, Kayla.

What's going on? Well, I just had a quick question. My doctor recently put me on lexapro and it did not work very well for me so i'm coming back off of it and i've been off of it for about four days now but i'm still having some weird side effects and i'm kind of just wondering how long it takes for it to completely be out of my system are you having side effects from the withdrawal of lexapro or from the use of the lexap? The use of the Lexapro. Like I'm still getting like random panic attacks from it.

I'm still having really bad insomnia. I'm still just not feeling myself. And I think I'm scaring myself. Yeah. But I want to make sure that this like goes away eventually. How much were you on? I was on 10 milligrams and I was having like crazy panic attacks where I was missing work. I was shaking so bad at my,

I couldn't talk without my voice shaking from the medicine. Not before the medicine. Yeah. And how long did you take it for? About a month and a half before she took me off of it. And how long have you been off now? Like it wasn't long, but it's about four days now. Okay. And did anything get you been off now? It wasn't long, but it's about four days now. Okay. And did anything get worse when you stopped? Not necessarily, but it didn't necessarily slow down either.

The shaking stopped for sure, but I'm still having the panic attacks. I'm getting the random anxiety, the random heart rates. I feel like I'm having hot flashes from it. I think I'm scaring myself. Yeah, I get it. I get it. And I'm going to address that in a second. Do you get any buzzing in your head or feeling like electricity going down your spine? A little bit.

Okay. A little bit. And I have a fainting disorder, too. So I think that's also a play into my anxiety about it. What kind of disorder? I faint. I have vasovagal syncope. I've been fainting since I was 12 years old.

I faint really easily. Fantastic. Okay, here's the deal. It is a side effect of the medication. The side effects, you can get withdrawal side effects that can last 6 to 12 months. You can get side effects that can last a few months even after you stop the medicine. But it should, you're only four days in. It really should settle down pretty quickly.

My fear is that the panic has become a learned behavior. Does this make sense? The way you're saying you're panicking yourself, you've sort of learned how to have a panic. Panic is kind of a learned phenomenon that has to be broken. Does that make sense to you? Because you said you're scaring yourself. Absolutely. To some extent, yes.

I'm absolutely scaring myself. Yeah, you're causing these panic attacks. But the medicine is what opened the circuit that makes the panic. So there's a behavioral piece. I learned how to have panic. I'm in that mode of repeating that behavior of having panic. But the circuitry is now open, and it has to settle down. That's the way I kind of think about it.

And that can take a little while. That totally makes sense. Okay. So what you have to do is think, rather than kicking into these panic attacks, learn to master them. Learn how to calm yourself. Here I go. Here I go again.

I'm causing another panic. It's not going to kill me. Deep breathe. God, it's uncomfortable, but let's ride it. Just ride it like a little wave. Okay? deep breathe. God, it's uncomfortable, but let's ride it. Just ride it like a little wave. Okay. And some people, some people even say, some people would say they get over their panic attacks by, by urging the panic to come on, like, bring it, come on, go ahead. Try me. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, bring, bring it as a challenge. There's actually a book

on this. Do you know, do you, are you a Teen Mom fan? This is going to be crazy. Yes, I know. Do you know Teen Mom? I never watched that show. I'm so sorry. Okay, well, there's one of the girls in Teen Mom. Oh, shoot, I'm blanking on her name. Chelsea.

Chelsea had terrible panic attacks, and she got over it. She read a book, and I don't think I have the book. Maybe I can find the book for you. But you're a Teen Mom fan? Yes, yes. That's why I knew you. I was the book. Maybe I can find the book for you. But you're a Teen Mom fam? Yes, yes. That's why I knew you. I was so excited to come to your show. Well, it's one of the things I do.

Here's Chelsea. The book is called, she sent me a bunch of DMs on it. It's called Dare, A New Way to End Anxiety and Panic Attacks. D-A-R-E by Barry McDonough. Got it? And you seem to be that kind of person.

Sorry, I'll order that tonight. Dare, you might really respond to that, and it really helped Chelsea, so you can tell her how helpful her recommendation was. You're going to be fine. Bottom line is you're going to be fine. You got just how much misery you'd have to go through. Okay.

Okay? Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. Mahalo. Mahalo. Bye. And so tell me what you were saying about Schultz. Which Schultz? Is that Schultz you worked for?

Schultz. Schultz. Martin Schultz. Who's that? He used to be the president of the European Parliament. Oh. A huge socialist. Oh, interesting.

I come from the socialist background. Work-wise, I was a legal advisor. Let me ask you something. To that end, how long do they expect to get negative bond returns to be able to prop up that bond market? If you give your money to a European bank now, you have to pay to keep the money in the bank. Exactly. Euro bond is the most stupid creation in the universe.

So let me state what the thing is. keep the money in the bank exactly euro bond is the most stupid creation in the universe so let me let me stay with the thing is for euro bond which has no common well has a common currency but no common debt associated with it yes right is has a negative rate of return totally if you give you buy a euro bond you lose money every year you pay to hold the euro bond exactly as opposed to a treasury bill or a treasury bond, which are highly secure, more secure, I would argue, than a euro bond, you get not much. We get 1% or something on a treasury note

from the US government. You don't have to pay for the privilege of buying a euro bond. Exactly. How long can that go on? Well, until it will totally collapse as the European Central Bank in Frankfurt. So when is that going to happen? That's going to happen, isn't it?

I think it's going to happen very soon. We are already seeing the outcome of the wrong socialist policies. And I should say that. That's not even a socialist policy, though, that negative return. That's just a stupid policy. I agree with you. A stupid policy promoted by, unfortunately, at that time, a socialist president.

I see. Him, your guy. Yes, my guy. You see the guy that set it up as a negative return? No, this is another one. The current president. No, it's not anymore. At the time, I worked for the European Parliament.

He was the president. And we were working a lot on these topics. And it was the time that the UK decided to vote a referendum to exit, which, of course, is not a good thing overall for the establishment of the European Union. But if you're throwing your common debt in with them for a negative rate of return and pointing at Japan as the ideal, but Japan is what they point at as the model, that's not the same.

It's not the same as Japan. In the really short term, the effect has been having China buying us completely. So, you know, I don't really understand how the European Union can resist under this foundation. And unfortunately, I feel bad because... Well, it's going to collapse. Seven years working there, you know, believing in the European Union ideal.

How did you get... Why did you become disenchanted? First of all, I always say I'm a child of the European Union because I am in the generation of people, millennials, that I could benefit of their programs. I studied with the Erasmus project in Spain and then applied for an internship at the European Union. So I feel like Europe gave me a lot of opportunity to develop myself an international level but at the same

time they don't have they have common policies but they don't implement them even think about the euro itself not even getting to the euro bond which is a total stupid idea they created a common currency but didn't create a common policy or common debt exactly so everybody was adapting the inflation attacks differently in each member state and this created chaos the power of the of the coin was completely different in france than in italy or in greece because they didn't have a common debt. Completely. So you see now that Greece has a debt

and the European Central Bank is trying to... Deal with the Greek debt, but really it's the Germans. It's really the Germans because they were selling submarines to Greece, by the way. So it's really like... What a mess. Yes, it's a lot of mess. And people don't...

I don't think people know. Do Europeans know what a mess it is economically? I think they don't realize it because a lot of mess. And I don't think people know. Do Europeans know what a mess it is? I think they don't realize it because they're selling them the idea that when we go to the United States, euro is stronger than dollar. So practically, they say, oh, when I go to buy in a store,

I go to Century 21 in New York, I end up, my power. That's the reason. That's the reason. They don't see behind. Got it. It's really sad. Okay, let's try to get some more calls in here.

This is Nicole. Hi, Nicole. Hi. Hey there. Yes. Go ahead. Hi. I guess I kind of had a complicated question, but. Drew. Hey there. Yes. Go ahead. Hi.

I guess I kind of had a, not a complicated question, but just curious. I had a lot of trauma when I was younger. I saw my dad beat up my mom several times, and they divorced, and I kind of had to grow up fast and help raise my sister while my mom worked full time. I had my son young. He's seven now. But I was just wondering, I was actually diagnosed bipolar around four years ago. Is that something that is, is it genetic or can trauma trigger something to cause someone to develop that later on in life? Okay, so bipolar disorder does have a genetic basis to it,

and trauma certainly disturbs your emotional regulatory system, let's say, and I'll talk more about that in a second. And when you have a trauma, your genetics can help determine how the trauma affects you, if that makes sense, right? And if you have bipolar in your family, that puts you at risk for those kinds of conditions. And fundamentally, just the way to think about this is that you're not born regulated you're born dysregulated babies cry a lot right it turns out our interaction with mom is what builds the regulatory system interactions with other human beings bodies in space in close proximity with a trusted exchange where one person is taken

care of by another person. When that basic unit is disrupted by trauma, you then leave that unit and are unwilling to go back in because it's too scary. That's the source of the trauma. And so you are left trying to regulate yourself. And there's a lot of data. There's a guy named Alan Shore and Peter Fonagy. And these guys write a lot about the neurobiology of all this. Fundamentally, we think it has something to do with the insular cortex, the vagus nerve, the spinothalamic tract, and it's our body's ability to be regulated by our brain.

Feelings come out of our body body and we learn to regulate that and if that becomes dysregulated that's what trauma does and dysregulation is a very hard state to remain in it's why people turn to drugs and alcohol does that make sense right yeah yes definitely and or you can have others yeah i was just wondering if there was something that like i needed to look out for my son. I haven't seen, and I know, looking back now, there was, even my mom says, yeah, there really was some signs, but there was something a little, you know, just off. I've always been a really anxious person. I still am. That's something that I'm still dealing with.

But I didn't know if there was stuff that I needed to look you know um keep an eye on my son and i haven't you know i will tell you nicole the most important thing is uh you you'll be aware you'll pay attention you're a good mom but you need to as much as possible bring your child up in a psychologically healthy environment where you are paying enough attention and being close and being attentive and attuned to the child's needs and emotions so they're able to be regulated the child builds a proper regulatory system and then whatever his genetic proclivities are they'll be tempered by that that ability right but between the genes and the environment is attachment that's the way i think about it and if you can form a nice, a good, secure attachment

to your child, that can buffer the genes or the effects of the environment. Make sense? Okay. All right. That makes me feel better. Yes, definitely.

Thank you so much. You got it. We have talked about everything today, my dear. Is there other stuff, Simone, you wanted to get into? We've talked about drug addiction. We've talked about

the European currency. We've talked about drug addiction. We've talked about the European currency. We entered in much everything. Yeah. You're a teen mom fan. Do you want to know about that? Yes. I was working as a reality. You want to work in reality TV?

Well, I am already in a docu-series right now. Oh, what's that about? It's about my husband and I. Uh-huh. We've been filming for a year. And I think this really affects your brain. Having cameras going all the time. Yes.

It's a weird thing. So I wanted the expert advice how to survive to that. You know, when people have come to us and asked about, do you want to do this or that reality together as a couple? We normally say no because we've noticed that very few couples survive reality cameras. I don't know why that is, but that is.

Ozzy and Sharon are about the only ones that survive the reality cameras. You know what I mean? We had the Mueller investigation. We have the cameras. We have been the cameras on. The cameras are worse, right? Yeah, because sometimes you are are the cameras make eternal moments you can be upset to that specific minute and not being

upset to the minute and then and it's still there right and so i will tell you from the girls that the women that do teen mom what they always say is it's so weird because this is a moment in your life everybody else gets to put way behind them, you're living it over and over again because the cameras bring it back up and show it to you and show it to everybody else. And it's unpleasant. And both of you react differently and then you conflict.

Totally. And so it's a source of conflict that's sort of not natural. And it's not aired yet. So let's wait. Yeah, has it got a place to air? Well, they're now fishing for it. They're pushing it around.

Who produced it? It's FWG Production. Yes. Would it have a market in Europe, do you think? I think they do. Yeah. Because me and George are having so much coverage. Yeah, all over the world, right?

Mostly in Italy and UK, and they always follow our Twitter accounts, all this madness going around. And you'll be on Big Brother UK and whatever. It's like, okay, let's see what's going on behind what an investigation does a couple in terms of pressure.

That's, you know, that's something that's really, okay, oh my God, I'm getting ready to go to testify to the FBI. That was on the reality show. Yes, it's there. They follow me going to the Congress. Are they still following you guys? Yes, we are still filming.

How do they determine when to film and how much to film, that kind of thing? We have a great producer. Does she call you every day and go, we're coming around? She became a sort of a friend. I say she's a sort of family for us right now.

Trust me. Let me give you a little piece of advice. Your producer, she's friendly. She is not your friend. She has a responsibility to produce. Produce. Watch the TV series Unreal. Oh, my God.

Watch the first three episodes of that, and you'll understand it's a scripted show. You can watch it on Hulu. But it really exposes the job of the producer. Okay, that's interesting. Because their job, it's called Unreal. Producer here. You're not a reality producer.

You're a web producer. Have you watched Unreal? Yes. Oh, yes. It's an amazing show. Explain to her. It will open your eyes to how the business works

oh yeah we'll be so protective reality TV I feel a mix between Forrest Gump and Joker exactly it's a lot closer

to Joker I become Joker yeah it sounds it sounds like an interesting show yes you guys live

you live a crazy life we had also camera at home for a while. You what? We had cameras at home for a while. At where? At home. At home. Like constant, like all around?

Yes. Only at the downstairs. We have just two floors downstairs. Just running constantly? Yes. Did they have somebody watching? Did they have somebody like in your house? I get the feel.

But I mean, they didn't just record it like a like a gopro they recorded it and sat in a video room and video village and you're somebody was 24 doing story 24 7 from another place but definitely you know it's and you know that we were there for example what is the new report you are friends you never know what's going to come out of this reality show oh my god don't scare me I will be your patient we will

we will come back and address it again okay I think we're about ready to wrap things up oh we're going to show Simona's swimsuit line

as well do that do that on the way out how about that is that appropriate I would love to actually I've been very

criticized because I modeled for my swimsuit line because you know that is that is that appropriate i would love to actually i've been very criticized because i modeled for some ice cream so the line uh because you know it's a cut of uh there you are i am wondering if uh producer susan my wife had because she was very impressed by simona and maybe she has any comment susan you want to come in here if you're hearing me i I love you. She's on the phone screening people. Oh, come on. Grab a headset. So the producer, she is the brains behind this show with Caleb. I know.

I love to talk to her. And she was a swimsuit model. Yes, she was. I wasn't tall enough to be in the runway. But I did model swimwear when I was in my first job, one of my first jobs. And I had a group called the K-Rock Bikini Girls. So I had a group, 90 women that worked for me as bathing suit models, just bathing suit models, like fashion. And that's how I met Drew.

I was working at K-Rock. Good taste. Yeah. And Drew used to judge the bikini contest so that was one time one time well you know we were in our 20s it was that's it was back in the day i love really came up california inspired me i said i see beaches everywhere and i love your suits they're amazing caleb thank you is in love with them he says his wife could wear them all well oh thank you so much yes thank you she'd be a great model for them show the pictures we haven't we've been showing them

i will be happy to you know just personalize any for you and even send you a sweet producer susan can take you to her swimwear museum if you like she has a museum of swimwear i did at one point i'm working on she must have she has a museum i think i've had every style bathing suit in the world and i hope you like it sometimes some people told me oh they're too uh revealing and i said i don't go to the beach dressed up i mean like i don't go like that right i love the red white and blue one that you have oh the american flag was that was? Yes, I created it. I liked it.

I liked it. I used to say, welcome to America. And then, you know, as I said, American nightmare. No, they're all cute. They have really high legs, which I like. Yes, makes legs longer. Yes. Makes longer.

Yes. And they come up high in the waist, so it covers all my stretch marks. No, you look amazing. And I triplet. No, I love, the suits are adorable. Thank you so much all right ladies you done i want to give you a chance to gush wait did you see the guy who wants to know about his pp situation that's that's your mom's house question you want me to do it yeah come on

okay he doesn't give his name oh i, I thought I did. Hello? Hi there. Go ahead. Hi, this is Drew. Oh, it is Drew, I see. Yes, this is Drew. I don't believe him. Go ahead. Okay.

Hi, Drew. It's Drew. So I just had a quick question. Much, much, much more lighthearted than the last caller. It kind of put me in a spiral, but anyway, uh, yeah, when I have to pee really bad and I squeeze my dick, it doesn't seem like I have to pee as bad anymore. And I was talking to your producer and she was experiencing the same thing.

Yeah. I have to pee right now. I can't imagine that he was just chilling in the dick. Yeah. Why is that the case? I'm going to guess it is because when you squeeze the tip, you cause a contraction of the bladder, the musculature. And so the floor of the bladder kind of pulls up and it doesn't feel as urgent that way. Really?

Yeah, I'm going to bet that's it. Interesting. So that can connect all the way to the bladder just by squeezing on the tip? All the way to the bladder neck. All the way to the bladder neck. Because that's to the bladder neck because that's all smooth muscle and all kind of. Interesting. Yeah, and if you maybe do a little Kegel at the same time, notice. Which I'm doing right now.

Or maybe do a Kegel separately and see if that gives you the same kind of relief. Okay? I have to. How about that? I think that's just the same thing. I think it's just unintentional. I'm probably doing Kegel as well as I'm squeezing. That's exactly right.

And keep them high and tight, Drew. Wear them high and tight. Yes, of course. Thank you, Drew. Love the show. That would help if you have to pee, too. Well, thank you, Ms. Producer, for giving us that question. That was a little mini-ad for Dr. Drew After Dark.

Do check out that show where we do more of those kinds of calls. That's not really specifically what Ask Dr. Drew is about. But Dr. Drew After Dark. You can check out that show where we do more of those kinds of calls. That's not really specifically what Ask Dr. Drew is about. But Dr. Drew After Dark is that. Simona, great job. I appreciate you being here. It's really interesting. I really actually was not aware of your story. I've heard your husband's stuff in the background.

I remember hearing about a guy that went to prison because of a date problem. I remember the president talking about that, good people getting trapped. He sort of was alluding to, I guess, your husband. Yes. And I feel a comradeship with you in terms of the shitstorm you have to deal with in social media, which I deal with all the time. And probably I'll get just for us being here and talking and just chatting together. I would love to.

So, all right. Good to have you. We'll have a follow-up when your show comes to television. Thank you so much. Which is very good. And Caleb, thank you. Susan, thank you. You guys did a great job.

Thank you, Susan. And are we going to be doing this next week? Is that the plan? Yes. Okay. And we've got some calls coming in. I think. I don't know.

I have to talk to Caleb when it's ready. Yeah. And as I said, we do not have KBC in the new year. So, we may be doing more than one a week of these, I suspect. So, we'll see about that. And we'll see you time thanks guys thank you thank you thank you bye hey Dr. Drew here and this is just a reminder that the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care or medical evaluation this is purely for entertainment and education we hope you learned something but see your doctor, get proper medical care.