Ask Dr. Drew - Athletes Dropping Suddenly: NBA Legend John Stockton Exposes Professional Sports Pressure To Cover Up mRNA Adverse Reactions w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep. 276

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

NBA legend & Hall Of Famer John Stockton shares insider details about athletes “dropping suddenly” after mRNA shots and the pressure to stay quiet about it in the ranks of professional sports. In early 2022, Stockton famously refused to wear a mask while visiting his alma mater, resulting in Gonzaga University’s suspension of his season tickets. John Stockton joins Dr. Kelly Victory and Dr. Drew to discuss the COVID-19 pandemic response, the impact of mRNA shots on athletes, and the widespread “adverse reactions” coverup he’s witnessed as a pro sports insider. John Stockton is a former NBA player for the Utah Jazz, a 10-time NBA All-Star, and is regarded as one of the greatest point guards of all time. He was a member of the 1992 USA Men’s Olympic Basketball Team, AKA the “Dream Team” described as “the greatest collection of basketball talent on the planet”. Now an advocate against government overreach into health, he cohosts the “Voices For Medical Freedom” Podcast with former NFL offensive tackle Ken Ruettgers. Listen at https://drdrew.com/stockton 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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As I said, we have the NBA legend, John Stockton, joining us today. He is, of course, played for the Utah Jazz, a 10-time NBA All-Star, regarded as one of the greatest point guards of all time. John, as I said, has a podcast you can get through to at drdrew.com forward slash Stockton. And he was part of the Dream Team back in the 1992 USA men's Olympic basketball team. So please welcome John Stockton. There you are, John. Thank you so much for joining us.

My pleasure, Drew. Thanks for inviting me. So tell us how you got into this. I want to hear sort of your story. And I know Dr. Victory has heard it, but most of us may not be aware. So how you became concerned and what you're sort of thinking these days. Well, it goes way back for me. And when I started playing in the NBA at the Utah Jazz,

I came across actually a chiropractor, Craig Buehler, who I resisted. I kind of grew up in the medical world. My mom was a nurse, my sister was a nurse, and I didn't think chiropractors had much to offer. But over time, he really kind of proved, he fixed my sprained ankles, pulled hamstrings, sniffles, whatever, always not using drugs. And one of his suggestions was, hey, you maybe want to, as we started having children, my wife and I, maybe you want to think about not having vaccines. And I thought it was out of his mind. We continued to follow the schedule until one of our children was sick from the shots and never got unsick and was awful. And we didn't really tie it to the shots until the four-year shots where it was obvious. Shots came, he was sick immediately. Oh, okay, maybe he's on to something. So I was a slow learner. It took me a while, but it took my wife and I a while to do that. And then we paid attention. Then we've been reading

and studying since on the topic. And really my biggest regret is that I kicked it down the road for a long time. And I've had friends now that have had children that have had issues, certainly vaccine related. And I didn't say something 35 years ago when I started learning about it. So that's my story getting to this. And then COVID hits, I felt prepared. I mean, there was nothing about it that was new. Scare the heck out of you. They lie about the results, tell you things have been debunked, the injuries that are caused,

and then they take credit for things that don't happen. They say, well, it saved all these lives. It didn't. And there's numerous incidences of that all the way back to polio, which is I can't think everybody's gold standard of a vaccine where everybody thinks that it saved us from polio.

And Jonas Salk, who invented it, even said it did. Said it was the end of DDT is what saved us from polio. And this vaccine was introduced after the graph had fallen anyway. So, um, you know, that's, that's kind of the story of it. And that's what I'm sticking with. And what is your podcast about now? Well, it's about medical freedom, largely because of COVID and the intrusion on that. We were really into people being able to choose what goes into their own bodies as athletes. That's kind of

where it started. Ken's a tremendous athlete, Green Bay Packer, Hall of Famer offensive lineman. And, and, uh, we think people should have the right to say what goes into our body. Heck it's our, it's our vessel. Uh, if you're an athlete, you succeed or fail based on, on the health of your body. And so, uh, giving up that right for any reason is absurd. Do you think you have any obligation to, let's say there is some ability to protect other people with vaccines or some therapy like that, or do you, are you under any obligation to protect others? I think we're all, we're citizens. We all have obligations to our fellow citizens, but does that involve

in putting something, first of all, experimental? It doesn't matter whether it is or not, as far as my point of view. I should never have to put something into my body to protect somebody else. This is mine. Okay. And nobody has the right to intervene, and I don't know why that's been such a hard thing for people to hold on to. The hard thing being that you have no obligation

to take something for someone else to put you at risk. Absolutely. A drug's a great example. I mean, these are chemicals. There's a lot of obligations in a society. You can't cross the O-line when you're driving. You can't do a lot of things

for the protection of others, but your body's your temple, and you get to choose what goes in it or on it, frankly. And so do you object to all vaccines, everything? I'd say, yeah, at this point. I mean, the COVID has peeled the curtain back. And when you start looking at it and you take the rose-colored glasses off and you say, okay, which ones have been effective? I think every vaccine, particularly the ones on the schedule, have very questionable safety histories. Whether they've helped or not, I like to use the flu shot as an example. We were told that we should take those when I was playing, that it's going to keep you from getting the flu. You find out that it doesn't.

It certainly didn't for me. I ended up spending some time in a Charlotte hospital with, I guess it was the flu, after I'd had the flu shot. And so I don't believe it works. I watched it with my dad. My dad was 85 years old. Everybody insists that you protect old people with the shot. They don't realize there's mercury in that shot.

Unless you're pretty crafty about how you get your supply, there's mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, neomycin. God knows what else is in there. And these are all chemicals that are being put into our body and they disrupt, if not ruin, our immune system. So yeah, I think I am against all vaccines. I know I wouldn't take another one. For instance, what about a uh you

know a military recruit or a college a student going off to live in dorms where meningococcus circulates around and kills people within a couple of hours what about taking and you're 19 what about taking a meningococcal vaccine if you take the vaccine and you think it works, good for you. Why do you need, why does it matter what I do? I have the, I have freedom to say what goes into my own body. So they can't tell you it works.

It doesn't. They can't tell you it's a hundred percent. We went through that whole deal with the mumps vaccine with my daughter in school. So when I said, okay, well, we'll sign a waiver saying,

you don't have to worry about us. They said, no, you don't understand. You're making other people at risk. I said, why they well, we'll sign a waiver saying, you don't have to worry about us. They said, no, you don't understand. You're making other people at risk. I said, why? They had the shot, their shot, their, their risk-free. So why do they care what I do? But it didn't matter. They said, no, it's only 80% effect. Well, if it's only 80% effective, then why did we ended up, why does anybody have to take it? There is no guarantees anyway. So, um, I don't, I think you get far more injury by introducing

chemicals than you ever do protection by far so again the the thought is you you know the sort of herd immunity theory that you get people around the individual mostly vaccinated you only have to get a certain percentage up to kind of protect each other you know and the question then becomes what's the risk rewardreward, right? Like with everything in medicine, we don't do anything that doesn't have risk. I mean, if you get a sudden appendicitis, let's say, and you need your appendix out,

you're going to need some chemicals. You're going to take them. You're going to take some anesthesia. You're going to take some antibiotics. You're going to take maybe some painkillers afterwards. And it's going to save your life. That's worth the risk, right? Well, I think you get to make that.

That's the beauty of America. Well, it's the beauty of the free world. You get to make that choice. You can take the risks. It came up quite a bit with COVID. Right, right. Where do you think the overreach is coming from? Wow. I wish I was smart enough to know that.

Certainly governmental, our government, the CDC, the FDA, the NAIAH, anything with initials, they've all promised safe and effective through all this. And they continue to do so. In 2023, even though the evidence is overwhelming, the damage that's being done by these shots, they continue to claim its safety and effectiveness. And the Pfizer report, the one they tried to hide for 75 years, even tells you they're caught about 1,200 deaths in the first three months.

Would you agree that overreach is not limited to vaccine therapy? For instance, doctors are employees now, and they're very much dictated what they can do and can't do. There are insurance companies that dictate what they can and can't do. There are, I mean, there's overreach. There's regulatory agencies that look over the shoulder. Are you concerned about all those areas? Absolutely, yes. Standard of care. Standard of care. I mean, listen, a lot of my tremendous friends are doctors, nurses, things.

They are handcuffed by the standard of care. If you come in with a sniffle, especially during COVID, there's a standard of care. There's a protocol they must employ or they're risking their license, their livelihood, their ability to feed their family. So, yeah, where does that chain end? I don't know, but it's up their ways. Right.

So that's concerning. I mean, I like the notion of medical freedom which is really the the pot the name of your podcast right voices for medical freedom have you interviewed anybody interesting that really caught your attention uh in that in the pod it's been one of the blessings of my life frankly the people that i've had a chance to meet and talk with so there's been many many we have frontline nurses we spoke with some frontline nurses who did everything according to the schedule and then started seeing the damage and spoke out.

We talked to Naomi Wolf, who went through the Pfizer documents and basically laid out that they knew all this stuff before they ever released it on the public. And so to me, what kind of evil is that, that you can know this damage and go ahead and not just put it out there and say, hey, buyer beware.

You're putting it out there and saying, you have to take this shot or you can't work or you can't go to school or you can't, et cetera. Yeah, there's Ed Dowd, who bestselling author, he wrote the book, it cause unknown where he literally puts the names faces death certificates of all these these young people who have died following the vaccine and and yeah there's been one after the other great people great people to listen to do you particularly get concerned about the athletes that seem to be

having sort of an extraordinary incident of issues for the first time that I am aware of at least professional athletes yeah no more so because they're athletes but there's such an incredible indicator so athletes prime of their life credible physical shape they have people doctors you know weight trainers they have all these resources at their disposal to be in tip-top shape, and they're dropping dead on the field. I mean, there was up to, I think, three months ago.

I don't know what number it takes for people to find that's enough, but there was 1,100 deaths of athletes. It's like a 27-times-anytime- any time in history increase since the rollout. And it's definable. They're all vaccinated. And so with that in mind, you have to say, well, at least let's look at it. And why isn't the CDC, the FDA, all the guys with initials, why aren't they all saying, wow, did you say 1,100 deaths since the shots? Why isn't there just a hue and cry out there saying we need to investigate this at minimum? And you're not.

Well, let's do this. I know you and Dr. Victory spoke at a conference together. I'm going to get her in here sooner than later so we can hear about the conference, what you guys did and talked about. So we're going to take a little break here uh and as i said before you can go to john's podcast at dr.com forward slash stockton s-t-o-c-k s-t-o-c-k-t-o-n stockton and we'll take a little break be right back with more john stockton and bring in dr kelly victory fall is right around the corner which means dry flaky red skin from allergy season is coming with it but the best way way to take care of your skin is with our skincare secret, GenuCell. You don't need to worry about that puffy, tired eye look or those annoying dark spots or even dry, flaky skin

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on the entire population this is uncharted territory, Drew. Welcome, Dr. Kelly Victory. Hey, John. Great to see you again, and thank you for being here. As Drew was just mentioning before the break, you and I just spoke relatively recently at a medical freedom conference up in Spokane, Washington. It came at a time when it was not particularly convenient for me. I have a lot of other things going on, but I cannot tell you how glad I was that I went because it sort of reassured me about the future of medicine and our specialty. To be clear, the people who were there represented, you were one of the only non non-medical people it was nurses nurse

practitioners pharmacists physical therapists and certainly physicians all of whom have really put a stake in the ground with regard to this concept of medical freedom many of them have left their practices or been fired many of them have stopped taking medical insurance of all sorts and they are in a cash only basis. Many of them have suffered like I have the slings and arrows of derision and cancel culture during this process. So I want to get into the weeds with you specifically about the vaccines and your experience with that and what you're seeing in athletes. But before I

do, let's really revisit this concept, the sorts of things you were mentioning with regard to the intrusions on medical freedom and why that happened. It certainly long predates COVID. This, you know, COVID brought it perhaps really fully into the daylight. But this has been a long process that's happened in healthcare. So talk a little bit about that, and then we'll get into the weeds on the vaccines. Well, I'm certainly no expert on it. I've read a lot. And you go all the way back to early 1900s when every doctor was maybe called a naturopath by today's standards or something like that. They used herbs, they used local remedies, they used whatever, and they'd go visit. And then some wealthy guys, I think it was Carnegie and Rockefeller, wanted to standardize care.

It doesn't sound like a terrible idea. If you can get same care in Spokane, Washington, that you can get in Florida, that's a pretty good sign if it's good stuff. But what it does is it gets to where there's only one way of looking at things. And that's the medical allopathic way. And that involves drugs every time and surgeries and things that I'd like to avoid. And so I think there needs to be an insurance-only page for those. You try to get chiropractic care, naturopathic care, acupuncture care, depending on what your beliefs are, what's worked for you in the past.

It's very difficult to have that even playing field where a person can go and look, I want my health. And acupuncture, I think, will work. Too bad. We won't pay for that. But we'll pay the $500 for that drug, if you would like. So that playing field's off. And that's back to the standard of care stuff we talked about with Drew.

No, there's no question. And I spoke about that quite a bit, this issue that we have rid the entire profession of healthcare, of medicine, of critical thinking, because it's become entirely algorithmic and based on drop-down boxes. And the electronic medical record, in my mind, is fundamentally a billing template that it's become entirely algorithmic and based on drop-down boxes. The electronic medical record, in my mind, is fundamentally a billing template that captures some incidental pieces of clinical information. It's really all based on what's good for the insurance companies and good for the pharmaceutical

companies. With regard to vaccines, I was certainly never an anti-vaxxer. I, frankly, was anti-vaxxer. I, frankly, was very pro-vaccine. I'm one of the most highly vaccinated people I know. But like you, it took me a bit longer, it really wasn't until closer to this COVID that I started to realize that we'd been sold a bill of goods, that a lot of the, quote, science that we were told was a bill of goods, that a lot of the quote science that we were told was,

was, you know, fast, you know, tried and true. I would, I was one of those people, by the way, who would have sworn that the polio vaccine actually saved us from polio. So I wear that, you know, I'm honest about that. I really didn't understand until the last probably five years, a lot of the junk science. You saw it earlier. Now, fast forward to COVID. Here you are, and it's the first time in my life that we talked about mandating vaccines. Talk a little bit about what you started seeing in the ranks of professional athletes, what their response was. Are they just trained to roll up their sleeve or do whatever they're told, or was there any pushback? Well, there was certainly pushback, but it was quiet.

And if it wasn't quiet, then if a person were to speak out, they'd get lashed out a little bit or wouldn't even get out on the mainstream media. Clearly, mainstream media has no intention of putting the facts out on this. And so it has to be done through podcasts and things like the Dr. Drew show. So players, and I had to take myself back almost 40 years now and say, what would I have done if I was in this situation? I think you have such faith in your doctors and you have such faith that they want this team to be successful and they want you to be successful that if they say go ahead and do it, you're kind of going to do it. And I can bear that out because I took the flu shot for my first five years.

And it takes, for me, you had to beat me over the head with it for a long time. And I had to spend some time in a hospital, like I said, in Charlotte, just to kind of say, well, maybe there's something else to look into. I wasn't saying it was wrong, but it was worth checking into. And then their own, just like the commercials, our own doctors would, would kind of confirm the suspicion. They said, well, you want to get the shot closer to December and the real flu season, because it only lasts for about 30 days. Oh, okay. Well, it only lasts about 30 days. Why am I taking it in September? And you hear the commercials and they say, well, it's going to impair your ability to fight off

infection. Almost every drug, the disclaimer on it, if we just listen to these plethora of commercials out there for vaccines and drugs, they'll tell you that they're harmful. They'll tell you that it impacts your immune system and that there's a better way to do it. You just got to listen more closely. You were a supporter, as I recall, of Kyrie Irving when he was relatively vocal about saying that he didn't think the vaccine was right for him. And I'm guessing that he never took one, although I don't know if he somehow got pushed into it. What was your experience with Kyrie? No, I don't know. Kyrie, I've never met him.

Um, seen him play obviously. And, and I've heard of his, his comments. I mean, he sat out half the season, uh, maybe more that the NBA technically did not, um, mandate shots. However, they deferred to local authorities. Like if you, if you wanted to join their team and you said i'm not doing the shot well okay you can't play in la you can't play in new york you can't play in all these municipalities that have that have said you can't be here without the shots and so uh it was kind of

a de facto mandate and uh you saw with novak djokovic i mean he's like muhammad ali to me right now where he gave up literally in the prime of history, he might be the greatest tennis player of all times. And he gave up two of his best years because he believes you don't have the right to put what's in my body. And so, you know, these guys are putting their money where their mouths are and others are more quiet. No, and as you know, I am a big, I spoke about it at the conference, this issue of the pillars of medical ethics, the first of which is autonomy, and that the patient always has the sovereign right

to make a decision about what he or she puts into their bodies. And so we have jettisoned this concept of, of medical autonomy, certainly during the COVID era. And I think it's tragic. If you look at the, you know, let's look at the obvious sort of, you know, died suddenly or drop dead people who are dropping. You know, we had both, you know, Damar Hamlin and Bronnie James both have, you know, critical events that were very, very public. Certainly thousands of others did it behind the scenes or not so well publicized. But talk a little bit, I'd said with Bronny James, they came back and said, oh, lo and behold, he's got some previously undiagnosed

congenital heart problem. It was my understanding that prior to being hired on by the league or by a particular team, don't you go through a relatively extensive physical workup before they let you sign a multi-bazillion dollar contract? Well, just to clear things up, when I was starting, they weren't multi-bazillion dollar contracts. Yeah, you do. You go in there and it is pretty extensive, but it's not nearly extensive enough with the potential for myocarditis,

which is one of the things they discovered in the Pfizer report way before they rolled it out. They discovered in the actual tests, which are human tests for us. So they know it exists. There's no dodging. Dr. McCullough does a great, does a great session on that whole thing where you, you can't argue it. And with that, that's a scarring of the

heart and it's in a hard spot to see. And my understanding is not being a doctor or a radiologist in any way, but my understanding is the only way you can pick up on that is, is an MRI. There's another, there's another person that claims they do other stuff, but all I've heard is the MRI. So clearly it would be missed. It would be missed a lot. And that's the beauty of it. If you're the vaccine companies, the beauty of it is you have plausible deniability. You know, show me how know that the FDA mandated that Moderna run a study specifically looking at asymptomatic myocarditis. You know, myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, when it's symptomatic, we know

you have chest pain or shortness of breath or you develop exercise intolerance, some clues. But the big concern, and I'm sure, you know sure Dr. McCullough talks about this, is the vast number of people who have what we call asymptomatic myocarditis, meaning they have inflammation of the heart muscle, but they don't have any clinical signs of it. So they don't know. And for many of those people, the first symptom is going to be sudden cardiac arrest. Their first symptom is going to be being found dead in bed by

their parents in the morning. So Moderna was required to do this study. We know that they have shared the results of the study with the FDA, but the FDA has refused to release the results. And they're saying, if you want to see them, you know, file a FOIA demand. So there's only one reason that, you know, you and I can both guess what the reason is that they are not being willing to release those findings. And then with regard to the, you know, this myth, and I'm sure you hear it all the time, people will say, oh, athletes have always, you know, had sudden death or died had sudden death or dropped on the field. It's just we didn't report on it before. And we know that that isn't true based on a huge study that was done by the International Olympic Committee years ago, way pre-COVID. And prior to the COVID shots,

the number of died suddenly was in sort of professional level athletes, Olympic level athletes, was somewhere in the range of 29 per year. And you were rattling off the number. How many, what's your understanding of the current number of athlete deaths so far since the rollout? Probably three or four months ago, it was 1,100. And that's, I haven't, I don't see any need to go back and trace over that and find out. I mean, it's tragedies to each individual family, their wives or husbands or whatever.

Tragic, but it's how many do we need? So I don't go back and look anymore. Is it now 1,400? Is it 2,000? I don't know, but I think 1,100 is enough. Yeah, yeah. What's your insight into the conversation that goes on in the locker rooms or behind closed doors with athletes? You know, when a Damar Hamlin fundamentally dies on national television, brought back, thankfully, when Ronnie James has whatever his event, what's the conversation in the locker room? Well, I think it would be, I think it'd be pretty quiet.

I don't think guys would want to talk about it out loud. It's when you think about it, if, if, if you did do the shots, you're it's basically Russian roulette. You don't know when that, when that's, it's going to be your turn. I don't know. I don't know if I took it, if I could ever feel comfortable working out again, you know, is this the day now athletes do a great job of overcoming that coming fear, overcoming what happens at their house the day before on the way to the

game, whatever, so you can't compartmentalize it and go play your game. And thank goodness. But, uh, it's gotta be in the back of almost everybody's mind. If, if they've gotten the information, that's a big gift. Right, right. What's, you know, where, I know you've been talking with Dr. McCullough again about this in terms of how the league,

how the, whether it's the NBA or the NFL, you know, what their obligation is, you know, what sort of traction, if any, are you getting with the leagues in acknowledging that they potentially were a participant in putting previously young, healthy Uber athletes at risk by whether they mandated it or, you know, there's a level of coercion, if not a mandate. There certainly is a level of coercion. You know, what's theirion. What's their tolerance for addressing it? That's a great question. We've had conversations with them. We've had

conversations with players associations in many leagues, trying to get them to see the data first, see the anecdotal information, see the common sense. You know, there's a mosaic that you can go through that kind of proves the dangers of these shots. But, you know, some of them, there was one of the players association is on record for receiving money to promote the vaccine. So there's a lot of tentacles involved and it's hard to say whether they'll bite into it or not.

Now, we've offered to try to get that information out, to have personal conversations with the athletes. We'll see how it goes. I don't get to sit in on the meetings when they discuss whether it's going to happen. But one of the things that was mentioned was that even though they're not mandated, for example, the NBA is still recommending these shots. And I'm saying, well, consider we know that these cause damage by their own admission. So you don't have to be a granola guy to say that this causes damage. They have their own proof that says it. You're recommending shots for a disease that's extinct for people that weren't at risk of dying from the shot and dying from the disease in the first place.

You're recommending that without the protection of the emergency use authorization that the government had in place during the COVID crisis. So my purpose with them is to try to protect them. I want to leave a specialty, and it still is, and I want to stay that way. But I think they're hanging out there a little bit by recommending something that can be harmful yeah and so I think I was ranting at the end of the show yesterday and said that it's my my belief that anyone who was uh mandating these whether it's for for players or for students to attend your university or employees, really you are obligated as the

employer or the league or the university, I think, to pay for and to oversee whatever workup needs to happen to assure that somebody does not have at a minimum subclinical myocarditis. In other words, that would mean that everybody would be in line for a cardiac MRI. Have you had that level of granular discussion with the league that, you know, what they might do to screen people? Not specifically with the league. We've had that discussion. Again, going back to my athletic days, if I had taken the shot and I was there and I had a potential for that and that one test could prove to be the end of my career if I end up having

myocarditis and they said look you don't dare play we can't let you play I'm not taking the test it's it's subjecting yourselves to these tests which are part of the problem we had we had to test for the PCR which we know wasn't an effective test for COVID in the first place it was 60 to 80 false positives. So, but it was invasive. It's all the way up in your sinuses, almost in your brain. And we acknowledged then that the results of that test are what we live by.

I don't think they have the right to test us either. In fact, I know they don't. It's said so in our own laws and in the Nuremberg Code that was put into place after World War II. So it's kind of a mess, Kelly, to be honest. So you think wait, just be you said something that hadn't occurred to me. So you're saying that it's not just whether even if the league were to say, Okay, yes, we'll we'll happily pay for a cardiac MRI that the players themselves might not want to

take it. Because if it was came positive, they may, they might be benched. Is that what you're saying? That the, that the players themselves are reticent to, uh, to have the test done. Yeah, exactly. Well, I take it back and here, here's where my suspicious time, but I was in the Olympics as Drew mentioned, and we get through with the semifinal game and everybody's kind of celebrating. We're going to go play for the gold medal. Guy taps me on the shoulder and says,

we need a urine sample. And I go, okay. It happens. You get urine samples all the time and you're never worried about it. Don't do drugs. I've never done drugs. So that's a pretty easy call. But then you're sitting in that waiting room waiting to do it. You say, you know what? All all it take is one false answer one manipulated test one anything in that little lab which i have no control over these are nameless faceless people who are all professionals i'm sure they did great and my career my reputation usa basketball the olympic gold medal everything just evaporates in a blink. And so from that point forward, I've been suspicious of testing. Do I want to volunteer for a test? I don't think so.

Not for anything. Because that then gives people power over you that, and they get to be the judge and jury and the executioner based on the results of the test. Pretty scary stuff. I know I was scared sitting in that room. Well, it's terrifying because, John, that's exactly what we are seeing amongst pilots. I have quite a few personal friends who are former fighter pilots, Air Force fighter pilots who now fly commercially, and they have talked about that, that they don't want to have these tests done because it will end their flying career potentially. They will never fly again if it's determined that they have subclinical myocarditis or some other vaccine-related problem. They all

got vaccinated because they're in the military, and now they're suffering the side effects of that. But it's not that the airlines wouldn't give them the test. It's that they don't want to know. I was interested in the league's sort of tolerance for it because if you look, for example, at how reticent the NFL has been to acknowledge chronic traumatic encephalopathy, you know, head injuries, traumatic head injuries from repeated concussions and those sorts of things, and they don't want to pay out on that. They don't, you know, there's sort of a long history, I think, perhaps of injuries occurring in sports that the league has wanted, that the leagues have wanted to downplay.

And I suspect that, you know, we're going to be paying the price on this COVID shots for a while. This is not going to, this is not going to go away. Well, we know the military, they're already lightening the standards for military pilots because they've started to fail some of the tests you talked about. And then you talked about encephalopathy for the football players, the concussion protocols, which are now part of everyday life if you have kids playing sports at any level. But one thing they haven't thrown into the equation, and to me, it seems like it's shocking, they haven't included drug use, whether it's painkillers, which are prevalent amongst football players at the time, steroids, growth hormone. I mentioned painkillers.

If they participated in, what do they call it? Entertainment drugs, whatever. The chemicals also cause encephalopathy, but they ignore that and they call it only concussions. And now because of that, you have new helmets every year with new, I mean, that's, boy, it's just another messy thing. And they refuse to look at the chemical drug implications. They refuse.

No, that's an excellent point. Drew, you might want to weigh in on that. The issue of opiate use in professional athletes is it's the quiet secret. And it happens not just in football players and basketball players. It happens in dancers, meaning ballet dancers. Things have a long history of significant narcotic use related to chronic pain. Well, John mentioned the standard of care, and my hair bristles whenever I hear that

word because standard of care with opiates was give them as much as they want, as long as they want. Pain is whatever the patient says it is. Pain controls what the patient says it is. And when you see the patient, before you check their pulse or blood pressure check their pain scale that was a level and that was the standard of care it was insanity and to that issue while i was sitting here listening to you guys talk i found myself sort of thinking what has happened to us and i and i don't kelly you and i spend a lot of time thinking what has

happened to us as a profession but i'm wondering what's happened what john thinks about what has happened to us as a country because he has you know framed this as government overreach regulatory overreach you know sort of um maybe employment overreach what what what is where is this coming from i i don't remember. It seemed to come out of nowhere all of a sudden. This, you know, you can't handle the truth and we know what's good for you. And I guess that was going on. I mean, if you're in the military recruits in the Second World War, you lined up and got your vaccine, you weren't allowed to ask any questions.

So we've been through, I i guess things like this before but it this has a wholly different quality to it where there are self-righteous warriors all around in the government outside the government what what john what do you think has happened to us well i think you can't downplay social media i saw a show once called social, and the guys didn't take sides in that. They're talking about the algorithms, and they said that they ping you. If you have interest in this, they're going to force you further to that side because they know you're interested, and they're going to keep on. And so every day you're looking at your cell phone or your computer, and you're getting the information you want to hear. So it polarizes us regardless of what side you're on on that so i i don't think you can discount that i maybe we've gotten too soft we talk about that in the sports world a lot is i mean when i was

growing up i went to college got a scholarship but i had a summer job i had to go work a summer job i mean right now that would be boy that'd be abusive to have somebody go work for a summer job. And we got to feed these guys. So everything's easier. We got to make it easier. Our kids don't have to work hard. I mean, that's been a long generational process where we don't demand much of our kids anymore. So, again, it's deep-seated, Drew.

I guess what I'm saying, and I don't know if it's answerable today, but we ratted on each other. You think about this whole COVID thing. If you weren't wearing your mask, people would rat on you. I mean, where did that come from? The old days, the rat.

You know the rat? Yeah, that came from the brown shirts. That's what I was thinking. But you know, and John, I was talking about this at that conference up in Spokane, that there's been a palpable shift from the individual, the things on which this country was predicated, the individual, you know, self-reliance, you know, responsibility, autonomy, those things. Everything is the collective. Everything is for the better good. Everything is for the community. There is no more focus on the individual.

I think it's truly because it's easier to manipulate people if you just... You are now a crowd. You are now part of the population. There is no individuality. There is no self-reliance. It's a very, very strange thing. And I agree with you also that without social media, none of this could have happened because social media becomes the cudgel to control people.

I mean, it is social media that allows you to criticize and destroy somebody's career with the stroke of a, you know, with a key stroke. It's social media that allows you to, you know, we had a physician up there that Michael Turner, who's going to be on the show with us in a week, whose, you know, career was destroyed by the medical board in the state of Washington. They gun for people, and that only is enhanced by social media. So I think that that's really a big player. Assuming that COVID is ultimately going to be over, and that we're hearing that COVID vaccine uptake is very, very low. I think Dr. McCullough said yesterday, like it's in the single digit percentage, you know, people just aren't taking

it. What's next? What is your focus going forward? Where do you want to take your platform? Well, medical freedom is really no different than just freedom. And I remember watching shows with my dad sitting there on the couch. You only had to turn the TV clunker like this. You didn't have remote control and things like that. And we would watch shows, watch a lot of World War II movies, and we would talk about how does that happen in life? How do people do this to people?

And sorry, the ring kind of threw me off my game there. I forgot what the question was. You want to start? I was just asking where you were going with your platform, assuming that COVID, that we eventually get out of the fog of war that is COVID and move on. Whoever it is wants you. But yeah, so I guess I would say, I agree with you, medical freedom is freedom.

And I think what we're seeing happening in this country, and I've said before, if you wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany and how you would have reacted, just look at yourself in the mirror and see how you reacted during COVID. Because that'll give you a good insight into what you would have done during the second world war in Germany. Because the brown shirts and that sort of, you know, turning families against one another, the divisiveness.

I'm sure I'm not alone in having lost friends, lifelong friends over disagreements with regard to how this thing was handled. So where do you take, you've got an important platform, where do you want to go with it? Well, I'd like to try to get more athletes. For some reason, I joked about this a long time ago, is sometimes people would ask me questions

about important subjects that I knew nothing about and they expect expertise out of you because you can bounce a basketball. I always thought that was a little odd, but since they're asking and since that's the way it seems to be, I think the more athletes we could get on board, I mean, I wish more athletes would reach out to us at Voices for Medical Freedom and say, hey, John, what do you know? What can we talk about? How can I help? If we had a big, big pool of athletes, I think we

could stop this in its track and we could certainly make inroads towards towards ending future attempts to obstruct our freedom to Be able to demand testing and drugs be injected into our bodies against our will And just for people to see that you have rights if your company says you have to have this shot or you can't work. Locking arms with the rest of your employees and saying, no, we're not doing it. Now try to run a business. It's as simple as that. If everybody in the NBA said, no, we're not doing it. Forget whether you think they're good for you or not.

That's this whole separate object. If everybody stood up in the NBA and locked arms and said, I don't think you should have the right to force it on the other guy even then this would have never happened it blew up with sports it blew up with the nba my own utah jazz uh that's when this all blew up and then every nc2a couple leagues in the nc2a and then the final four just canceled so it was a dominoes with no additional facts to tell you it was scary they just kind of followed suit so it could be reversed just as quickly that's my focus if we can get athletes professionals um entertainers anybody with a voice that wants to speak out and lock arms i think that's the key because it's coming again i think no i agree with you that was kairi or that was cut yeah let me say drew that

was kairi irving his his platform was if we all just said no, we're not playing. No, we're not doing it. You can take a vaccine if you want to, but stand up against the mandate or the coercion, the fear of reprisal. And that was what he said. You can't run a league if no one's willing to play. And they would have had power in numbers. Yes, I agree. I mean, same thing with lockdown, same thing with masks, same thing with

everything that we sort of went along with. And I think the early days were a little, memory is an interesting function. I i mean the early days were confusing i i remember thinking all right i'm gonna support my leaders they're making tough choices you know this kind of stuff it was the excesses and the persistent and then people who wanted that to go on was the extraordinary thing to me so i have found myself recently talking more about a it may not be the right term and it comes up in the context of standing up and saying no. It requires, you know, insight, courage, you know, a certain amount of, you know, desire to fight for freedom. And I think we would kind of call that character,

wouldn't we? Have we lost our our character in some way and can we restore our that's maybe character's not even the right word but can we restore those things that we have often associated with character am i on to anything here john i sure think so i mean to weigh the risk kelly we talked about early on what are the risks of all this stuff what's the risk. Kelly, we talked about it early on. What are the risks of all this stuff? What's the risk of defending a fellow employee who doesn't want to do the shot? I mean, there's a risk. If you defend, you know, if you go against your standard of care, there's a risk you'll lose your job, your ability to feed your kids. But is that risk greater than you're putting the person you're injecting at risk of dying, having neurological disorders, having organ failure, having all these things that they

know happened again from the Pfizer report? I don't know. I think that is character. And I think you need to be able to say that. It's not easy. Yeah. And I've said many times, and I will say it again, Drew, when you talk about character, I have quoted one of my favorite quotes is John Milton, virtue untested is no virtue at all.

If there's no risk to doing what it is you're standing up and doing, then that's not virtue. You're not putting something on the line. I would suggest that, yes, we have lost our character. There's a hefty price to be paid whether you're a professional athlete or a physician or whoever it is standing up and saying no yeah i am not willing to do that and what you're talking about yeah and what you're talking about you're you're being you're being scapegoated and and that the reason people stick together and go along is they don't want to get scapegoated and if you don't pick your head up, it's not going to get chopped off, you know? So this scapegoating mechanism,

which to me is one of the most atrocious of human impulses is sort of where character falls flat. I'm sorry, Kelly, I interrupted you. Go ahead. No. So I think there's an issue of character. And as I said, I was so glad that I went to that conference despite the challenges because I met and was able to talk to people and said, wow, these people have tremendous character. These are people who lost jobs, who had families to feed, lots of little kids and relatively new in their careers, way younger than I am, who said, I'm not doing it. I'm standing up and I will fight. I was smart enough to go to medical school or to go to nursing school and

I will figure it out, but I'm not doing this. And I felt like I was surrounded by people of great character, which was really helpful. Something else I wanted to ask you about, John, was only because your co-host is in the NFL, what is your take on DeMar Hamlin and why he stayed very, very quiet after his sudden... I've always guessed quietly that he had 10 or 20 million reasons to stay quiet, offered to him to not speak. What's your take on that? Well, the guy died, I mean, why haven't we died on the field essentially? And within minutes they had that, what,

Como Cordy, you guys are doctors, Como Cordy is or something. I mean, wouldn't- Yeah, comocicordias. Look into, especially in light of the fact of 1,100 deaths by other athletes, wouldn't you at least look into that? Wouldn't you at least say, hey, we're studying all options,

but they didn't. They jumped straight to, we've got the answer. They didn't have any chance to even research him yet. Thankfully, it wasn't an autopsy. But you mentioned back with the character stuff, and you think about where's the character? There's so much character out there.

And you saw it at the conference we both attended. Drew, you're doing this every day out here. There's tremendous character out there by a lot of people. They don't get a chance to get a platform or their platform gets slammed. And that I think is part of that capture. People don't realize all these advertisements that are on TV. I mean, I watched a thing the other day, I think it was nine out of 11 ads were for drugs on TV. So if you're that TV station and 90% or 85% of your funding comes from a pharmaceutical company, you're not going to bite that hand at Fiji.

You frankly can't. It's probably in a contract. The character isn't carrying over to the media very much, but it is out there. There's no question that this, and I pointed this out when we talked at the conference, to me, another big issue is exactly that, the intrusion of big pharma. The United States is one of only two countries in the world that allows pharmaceutical advertising on television,

the other one being New Zealand. And as you point out, you cannot trust your media when your media is being entirely bought and paid for by Big Pharma. Even, you know, it doesn't matter. And this is independent of which station you watch. I don't care if it's Fox News or MSNBC. Roger Ailes, a former head of Fox News, said that he would have loved to have read Fox News from pharmaceutical advertising, but it was 82%

of their advertising dollars came from big pharma. So as you said, the financial implications of trying to disarticulate that relationship, unfortunately, is too overwhelming. And I think that that's also a significant problem. Guys, my producer wife here suggested we take a couple of calls here. And those of you who are in the Twitter spaces, if you want to come up, you just raise your hand. The mic is in the lower left hand. You push the button in the lower left corner. And if I bring you up, then you unmute yourself the same way.

And there's Caleb's cartoon up there on how to do so. Hey, Josh, hold on one second. John, I'll let you finish your comment, then we'll have Josh's question. Well, businesses have their own version of standard of care as well. I remember that from my old business classes in college. And we do share responsibility of the stock of the CEO and the board of directors to make money for that for that organization so theirs isn't an altruistic form either theirs is about making money just right selling the drug just like the standard of care so businesses are the same it's just a different term yeah Josh go ahead there so uh my question is, you're talking about scapegoating. I want to know how much of this is, and to use John Stockton's point, which is, if I

don't want to get a vaccine, that's my business. But if I want to tell other people to not get a vaccine, that can also be problematic. And am I scapegoating the medical profession, or am I scapegoating the medical profession or am I scapegoating the government? I mean, scapegoating goes everywhere that it can go. It's going to touch everything. So the question is- You're right. The one thing I would say is that you have to be sort of specific about what we're talking about. And scapegoating is ultimately a desire to kill. That's ultimately what it is. That's where it originates, in elevating a leader and then killing that leader. And again, the French Revolution was the ultimate expression of

that kind of scapegoating. There are more, obviously, subtle kinds of scapegoating mechanisms out there that don't involve murderous rage but once there is murderous rage uh it goes to try to destroy and that's why the whole cancellation phenomenon has been so so different so dangerous it has harmed people it's ruined their ability to make a living and yes it you could say that people do some scapegoating of you know if they gather together and point at something else that's causing their problems, that has a scapegoating quality to it. Or it's just reality. It's just they're describing what's really happening. Can I add to that, Drew?

John? Yeah. Your hairdresser didn't mandate shots. Your hairdresser didn't apply shots. Your hairdresser didn't have the standard of care. I mean, they've earned our distrust with their behavior, with their mandates. So no, I don't think it's an artificial scapegoating. They've earned it. And now it's just trying to find with all the quality people with character, trying to find the right ones that are still in

the field that rather than abandoning the system, find the right ones that are still in the field that rather than abandoning the system, find the right government officials that are doing it right and the right medical people who are doing it right. And it'll start elevating them or giving them a chance to be heard. Well, there really is a medical freedom movement out there that I keep running around people that are trying to create systems to help deliver medicine and reestabestablish the patient doctor relationship and re-establish trust in the system it it's coming it they're they're like you said courageous people out there independent minded people I I you know I worry that somebody's going to get in the way of that uh you know what

I mean because there's again there's such such an aggressive impulse on one side of the equation here. Christina, I've asked, do you want to come on up here? So go ahead, Joe, you just unmute yourself. There you are. What's up? Hi. Wow, this is exciting. Okay. I have a four-year-old who is due for preschool kindergarten shots soon and i am trying to figure out how to decide if he should even get his regular vaccines or if i should do an alternate schedule or or what i should do how can i find information to help me make those decisions? What is your, do you, I, that's, that's the really the patient doctor unit that should be doing that. Is your doctor not available to discuss this? I don't know if I can trust him anymore or not. That's the other thing.

Yeah. Well, and I understand Christina. Before everybody jumps on him, hold on. I would give him a chance. I would just say, give him a chance or her a chance, whoever it is. Go ahead, Kelly. Go ahead. Well, what I was going to say is I understand exactly. I don't have children, but I understand the position you're in, Christina, because I agree. I think most pediatricians, because 80% of all physicians are employees, either of a large medical group or of a hospital system or of an insurance company, they are following a protocol. And right

now the pediatric schedule is very clear. So I think to Drew's point, yes, I think you should ask your physician, your pediatrician, what are my options? What are my options if I choose not to follow the pediatric schedule? And see what your physician's answer is. If their answer is, you know, hair on fire, oh my God, why in the world would you not, you know, buy into this, then maybe it's time to source a different physician because they should be willing. Informed consent, Christina,

means giving you both ends of the spectrum. Here's what would happen if you did nothing, and here's what is likely or potentially could happen if you follow the schedule. true informed consent and your average physician doesn't know how to give informed consent any longer, but they need to be giving you all of the option. Well, you know what bad on them then. So I would ask the question, but you deserve full informed consent,

which means to understand what would happen if you made a different choice other than what's being recommended. I'll chime in there too. That's not the end of it there. It's the schools. The schools have suddenly felt like judge and jury in this as well. You should be required a philosophical objection, a medical exemption, I guess, not exception, exemption, or a religious. And nobody should ever be able to judge a religious forever period. So that should be a no brainer. If you have questions about it, and you want to even think about it for a year, you should be able to employ any one of those exemptions and get it passed. If not, then the exemptions aren't worth it.

And again, it's back to being a mandate. I agree. I agree. And one of the problems, John, as you know, is when these shots get on the childhood schedule, when the CDC adds it to the childhood schedule, your average school system is going to end up using that schedule to guide them and say, well, if it's on the childhood schedule for the CDC, then that's what we're going to follow.

Even though the CDC is not a regulatory body, they are an advisory body. But let's face it, the school system's true. You know it as well as I do. The school system uses that childhood vaccine schedule to make their decisions. What? Kelly, they don't mandate anything. How dare you? They don't mandate. The CDC doesn't mandate anything. That's the part that the operational part of this is the insidious part.

So we have somebody up here. Let me try to get the name. It's a shiz about break out, break out team bonk. You should be able to speak now. If you unmute yourself, there you are. Hey,

I just, John, John Stockton. there you are hey dr drew i just thought um john john stockton i heard you had a really low resting heartbeat and i was wondering if that piqued your interest in this myocarditis of uh of the coveted stuff uh not extra yeah i mean i i did have a low resting heart rate my whole career i always like to think it's because i was in good shape and uh was ready to handle those loads i mean that was one of the things i focused on but uh this this the whole covid thing didn't exaggerate that thinking nor did my low resting heart rate exaggerate the the covid uh experience well i will tell you a personal story i had uh when i i got alpha or delta and

you know at fall christmas period uh was it 2021 that that window and um dr mccullough said something yesterday about COVID not causing myocarditis, the illness not causing myocarditis. And I'm not quite sure what he meant by that because when I had COVID, I had a fever of 102, my heart rate was 60. And I remember walking upstairs with a fever of 102 with my heart rate in 60 and i just i just thought oh this this is infecting my heart there's no doubt about it this is having some really significant effect on whether it's just the conduction system or whatever it's affecting the heart for sure that's not that that that fever heart rate dissociation is not normal and there are viral illnesses that do that i mean

there there's classic illnesses that do that let's let's it, that don't cause myocarditis, by the way. So it affects the heart, let's be clear. The concern, and again, based on that circulation article that came out in July, I just found it a couple weeks ago, is that the long-term effects of the vaccine seem to be more persistent. Now that's the data that's starting to come out. And I have a feeling that one of the one of the you know pertinent to the topic we're talking about but schools mandating vaccines i think schools are going to get sued if kids have long-term consequences from having manned or required to take a vaccine to go to school whether it's college or whatever whoever did it uh you know it's only one bioethicist

aaron carriotti who stood up and said we don't have the data. You can't do this. You don't have the bioethical standing to mandate this. And he was right. And now he is involved in a lawsuit against the federal government, Biden versus Missouri, and winning dramatically. So keep an eye on all of that. That's how this all gets played out. Guys, the clock is running out on us. John, thank you for joining us. Kelly, any last comments? No, just thank you again, John, for taking the time to do this. It was such a pleasure to meet you in Spokane, and I thought your comments up there and again

here today were spot on. I agree with you. Medical freedom is just one small snippet of our overall freedom. And my concern about COVID is absolutely zero. My concern about losing my civil liberties is very high. And I think that's what you're fighting for as well. So I appreciate you using your platform and for being here today and employing the athletes. I think that's a brilliant way to go at this. If you can corral the support of multiple professional athletes, I think it would be spectacular. Agreed. Well, Drew, I've enjoyed your show. I've watched it a bunch. So thank you for having me on.

Kelly, before I let you go, I thought your presentation was outstanding. It was funny. It was factual. It was factual it was perfect so if somebody's looking for a speaker Dr. Kelly Kelly's the best well thank you, thank you for that it was fun I'll tell you

okay that's what I'm thinking yeah, you need to come to the RFK we're not in charge of that but once I've got some to the RFK. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, you need to come to the RFK thing. We're not in charge of that, but once I've got some attention, we'll see what we can do. John, thanks so much. You bet.

DrDrew.com slash Stockton to hear the podcast. And we will let you go, John and Kelly, for you and I. I'm sure Caleb's going to throw up an upcoming schedule here for us. We're back next Wednesday. I think we have my Michael Turner is here next Wednesday.

Correct. Yeah, there we go. And Scott Adams on Tuesday and Carrie Lake on Thursday and then baby, Nation baby. There's the baby picture. So our whole system grinds to a halt when a baby is born because of Mr. Caleb Nation.

Somebody saw the ultrasound and asked me if I was pregnant. Oh, yeah. I just throw up this warning. You're prime fertility age. So am I. I throw this up to warn people that if all of a sudden the baby decides to come early, we're not bumping Carrie Lake or Scott Adams or Michael Turnt.

It's like suddenly baby just decided and baby gets top priority so if it gets and there you go those shoes shows that's why there you go so all right all right well everyone have a nice weekend we got a rush to the airport that's why I had to watch the clock a little bit

I would have taken a couple calls with you guys but we are we are on our oh that we're leaving at five I would have taken a couple more calls with you guys, but we are on our... Oh, I thought we were leaving at 5. You're leaving at 6? No, no. Oh, no.

No, you're not. It's time for somebody to check the ticket. You're not making your flight. You better check that. But I'll take some more calls if... Yeah. I don't know how we're going to get there. I'll be fine. You're going to be a trouble.

All right. Well, I'm jumping to the next thing. I'll let you go, Kelly. Okay. All right. See you soon. Safe travels. All right.

Thank you so much. And I guess I'm going to go on. Can I get on the stream? Here we are. I got back on the stream. You have to ask me again, Caleb, to be a co-host if you don't mind. Oh, there we go. And I will go back to the calls if you want. I'll get you. I'll get you going. I also I'll just bring up the first caller that's here while I get you loaded back in. Okay, that's the 79P. You got invited to the Steve Kirsch fundraiser. Yeah, we're going to go to a fundraiser for RFK Jr.

with an old friend of this show, Steve Kirsch, is putting on after the event on October 28th at the San Jose Convention Center. I'm not sure which or where it is. Is it a convention center? He's busy getting me reconnected to Twitter spaces. He will put up the poster for you. And I was just thinking, you know, I was thinking I got to talk to them. Because it really would be interesting to get a few other speakers in there that we might want to hear from.

It would be very interesting. So in any event, staying tight here, the 79 Pro, go ahead. 79 Pro. You have to unmute yourself, 79 Pro. Caleb, that's not true. He just texted me and asked me to promote it. Oh, okay, okay, good.

Let's make a big deal out of it. I saw there was some some report about some reporter was leaking details about it a few days ago, but now I guess it's public. So I was worried that we weren't going to be part of the leak. I think that was to add a little intrigue to the whole thing. Okay, I'm going to have to try. Am I yet a co-host here? No, I'm not. 79P, you are up as a speaker.

You just go to the left-hand corner. You unmute your mic. There you are. Now go ahead. Yeah, how are you doing? Can you hear me? Hello? I do.

Go ahead. Yeah, sorry about that. My phone was okay. So thanks for having me on. I have a question. I am a Vaxxed Injured patient for a couple of years from the COVID-19 vaccine. And my question be more susceptible to getting injured again regardless of what the vaccine is then i have talked to my doctor about that but yeah what do you say or she say well they well they basically just said well you know you're due for a shot so no real feedback and i just you know shot is such a it's so so vastly different

from the covid vaccine i i don't i can't even imagine a mechanism where you would get worse uh and and so i i i'd say just you know if you were my patient i'd say look are you comfortable getting it you you know trust your instincts i my patient, I'd say, look, are you comfortable getting it? You know, trust your instincts. I don't see how it could possibly make things worse. It's so vastly different from the whole function of what's going on in long vaccine that I wouldn't worry about it so much. But by the same token, you could always wait until you get a laceration and then take the vaccine at that time when it's really worth the risk. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense?

Yeah, definitely. The only thing that I was told by someone else, but I do appreciate your feedback, is because of my injury, my immune system is hyperactive and could react to any type it's not that's yeah but it's it's not it's not that simple because that's like saying oh you know next time i get a sinus infection what i'm my long covid is going to get worse no not necessarily or next time i get a dental you know i get a caries that gets inflamed that's going to make my no no it doesn't really work this is a much more much more narrow issue in terms of what's going on in the long COVID syndrome. But what is it, how is it manifesting for you? Well, my injury had to do with, you know,

a pretty bad digestive issue, the inflamed digestive tract. I definitely got the POTS. I had some neurological issues, muscle twitching, things like that. And just, you know, just brain fog, lost 20 pounds, still haven't gotten it back. Yeah, it's been a long... Have you tried any of the ideas, the treatments that people are thinking about? Yeah. I mean, I've, I've seen some, like I've, uh, what is it? Uh, Dr.

Pierre Corey's I've been a patient of his, um, clinic. I've, um, done some of the, you know, natural path,ropath remedies, like maybe going on the GAPS protocol for my digestive issues and just intermittent fasting. A lot of the less, you know, they're doing different. Medical stuff. Yeah, nutrition. I will just say fluvoxamine worked like crazy for my long COVID. I've got a friend we interviewed on this show who has severe long COVID. Ritalin has helped for him.

Dr. Patterson and Dr. Yogender are trying all kinds of things. They're using actually statins and things with good results. So there's all kinds of ideas out there about what to do. I would not give up. You should be able to find something that is helpful. You're fighting an illness and you often need pharmacology to do that. That is the thing that people don't quite get. You're fighting a biology.

You're trying to push back a biology that is already not natural. Brain B. Hello? you're trying to push back a biology that is not already already not natural uh brain b brain hello hey there go ahead hi how are you good can you hear can you hear me i do great uh i dropped by because i noticed the title of this space here, Athletes Dropping Suddenly, John Stockton. That's his contention, yes. Well, it's not only his contention, but there's a lot of other people in AV land that contend the same thing, most notably Peter McCullough, Edward Dowd, Epic Times, Pierre Corey. And I just find it hard to believe that supposedly intelligent people

can't see through this. Through see-through, what is this? The source of these thousands of athletes dying. It's an anonymous blog called Good Sciencing. Okay. Basically, they list anybody who's ever performed any sport or activity at any time in their life as an athlete. So they'll include 60-year-olds, 70-year-olds, 80-year-olds who haven't performed competitively

for decades. And it's amazing to me that people are falling for this. So where is Ed Dowd getting his data from? Do you know? When he said, Well, he's got two different sets of data, right? He talks about the increased mortality, which

I don't bother with because I haven't looked into that. But he also goes on to claim about athlete deaths, and one of his favorite catchphrases is, it used to be 29 a year, and now it's 29 a month. Have you heard that?

I blew, I've heard that said, I don't know if it was from him or not. Yep. And his source for the athletes is good sciencing. Oh, that's interesting. So I thought he was getting his data from actuarial professionals. No, there are no actuarial professionals. That's what he told me. There are no actuarial professionals that I'm aware of that keep track

of athletes' deaths. Oh, there must be. They've got to be insured up the wazoo. Well, here's what I know. I know Ed Dowd's book cites the Good Sciencing webpage. It's a blog, really.

Interesting. For his information. Peter McCullough is... Who does the Good Sciencing? Who is that that does that webpage? It's anonymously run. They claim to be a bunch of...

They claim to be a team of investigators, journalists, news editors, and truth seekers. And if you take a close look at it, and I've written threads on this stuff, you can go through my timeline and check out some of my threads or even any of my replies. I'm a little obsessive about this, and I focus almost exclusively on this piece of garbage data. How did you get into this? How did I get into this? When GoodSciencing first launched in November 2021,

I just started taking a look. It seemed incredible to me. It seemed outlandish to me that so many of these athletes were dying. Yeah, right, right. And once you start, and once I started looking into some of their claims, some of their listings, they list, what they do is they scrape websites across the globe looking for dead people. And if they can link them to some sort of sport or activity, for instance, an engineer who had a heart attack at a gym, he's considered an athlete. An advertising executive who had an incident at a gym, that's another athlete. A girl who died in a pool from an epileptic seizure is considered a swimmer at good science.

They're very clever. They even have 100, more than 100 now, unnamed people who they call athletes who are killed by vaccines, including a 57-year-old guy who also happened to die in a swimming pool. He's a swimmer, although they have no

idea who he even is. Okay. Where would you go to get decent data where do you go all i i spend my lunch hours googling their entries and looking for the causes of death that get announced no no no no i mean where can we get data you would rely on where we could get well there's NCC Sur. NCC Sur. Yes, they've been tracking athlete best in the United States

since 1982. And they're on Twitter. But it's easy to take a close look at the good sciencing entries and again you can go through my timeline go through my replies and you can see all the examples i provide and i even went so far as to download the entire good sciencing list for 2022 and i plucked out all of the people that shouldn't be on that list and i ended up with about as many cardiac deaths in young athletes as has historically been recorded which is by what's what's the number the number i came up with for the number i came up with for

2022 is 44 now that's that's actually going to be over counting because I left in all unknowns and unreported and probably some other ones that shouldn't be in there, but I wanted to err on the side of caution. So my number was 44. As a baseline, I used the 2020 Peterson study, which looked at athlete deaths, strictly looking at sudden cardiac athlete deaths from 2014 to 2018. They found 173 over those four years. From 17 to when? The 20? 14 to 18.

Say it again, from when to when? 14. 14 to 18. So all pre-COVID era stuff. And it was released, I believe the study was published first in late 2020. Good Sciencing, on the other hand, just scrapes websites looking for people they can add to their list. If they go to a gym they're a gymnast if they die in a pool i understand you you've made your point i get your point i'm

i'm trying to get some decent data here yeah you're a weightlifter uh do you do you have any clues or indications about who started or is running the site? I think finding out who runs the site is pretty key to this. I've been digging about it while you've been talking. There is actually one person on Twitter, and I found them months and months and months ago, and I have them bookmarked somewhere, but I don't remember their username. And they said something to the effect that led me to believe that they were involved with the site. Something like contact us or with info or something along those lines. But off the top of my head, I forget who they were. So, you know what we need? I'm seeing here the National Center for

Catastrophic Sports Injury Research putting the number that they had at, where is it? Uh, 21 athletes dying in 20 to 21. It'd be really interesting to know what the data is now. So 20, 20,

21, the number 20 to 21, the number is 21. You have any idea what it is now? They're 2022. All sports reports should be out shortly i just contacted them yeah um not too long ago and they said it would be out the same group i'm sorry is that the same group is that the same group national center for catastrophic sports injury yeah yes different

group yeah same group all right well thank you i'll keep an eye on all that. I never heard of, what do you call it? Good science? Good sciencing? Good sciencing. I mean, if you read it, it reads like it's written by a bunch of ninth graders. And if you look at it with a critical eye,

it starts falling apart very quickly. Interesting. But people seem to just follow, read the headlines and follow the headlines. Yeah, don't believe everything you read. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Look, and let's say there are some excess deaths. Let's just pause it.

Is it COVID? Is it COVID plus vaccine? Is it just the vaccine? How do you sort all that out? That's the thing I've been saying all along. Yeah, but it seems like people are really active, like fighter pilots and athletes and people with high-stress jobs, comics.

Well, she didn't die. Yeah, but Bob did. Bob hit his head, as did Heather, right? It's not a cardiac. But they had a, because of the myocarditis, right? Or the POTS. POTS syndrome, yeah. All right, my friend.

Thank you for coming out here. But still, it just seems like it's people that are not sitting on their couch all day. Well, that's just the way hearts are. That's the way cardiac, minor cardiac pathology can become. And the younger males. Minor cardiac pathology can know minor cardiac pathology can become major cardiac pathology if you're not careful if you're stressing even that's why by the way we always tell you that people die overnight because there's a surge of adrenaline at night too

that can bring out these weaknesses and cause a rhythm disturbance what's that caleb yes yeah i just i it's so odd to me whenever i can't find like the source of who's writing these these. And it almost makes me think that a lot of it, like what he was saying, is being scraped just to get all of these articles into the Google search results. They're trying to make money in that way somehow. But it's also, I would hope to think that this isn't the sole source of information for these reports. He was saying that Ed Dowd's, this was a primary source for Ed Dowd, but Ed Dowd was showing us all of the charts and the data. He showed us all of that stuff on here. It's not like he's just only relying on goodsciencing.com. I've never even heard of this site and we've had hundreds of guests on the show. None of them have ever

referred to this. I thought he said he was getting it from actuarial data. That's what he said. That's what Ed said. Whatever. This is know. Right. That's what Ed said. Whatever. You know, it's all, this is the process. Well, we're going to have Ed back and we'll ask him. All right.

This is the process. This is the back and forth. I love him. You're welcome to come up and address these issues. Emily Book Ed. What? Emily Book Ed. Okay.

All right. Thank you for your calls, everybody. We have to run. Now we do have to get going. Well, I've got to tear down all this equipment and you have to do an ad for V Shreds. All right. Thank you for your calls, everybody. We have to run. Now we do have to get going. Well, I've got to tear down all this equipment, and you have to do an ad for V Shreds. All right. Thank you all for being here. Thank you to John Stockton.

Thank you to Kelly Victory. Scott Adams in here next Tuesday should be very interesting. He's been... He used to make... I'm going to present him with this fact. I used to listen to him cause he made me feel better. He made me understand what was Trump up to. He helped me calm down about some of his shenanigans.

Now Scott's making me upset again. I mean, we're talking about why, why, what he's doing. These are dark, dark times, Drew.

It appears to be, but all right, listen, thank you so much for being here. We will see you on Tuesday at three o'clock. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a

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