Ask Dr. Drew - Ayahuasca, Censorship & Vaccine Anxiety: Dr. Drew Answers Caller Questions - Ask Dr. Drew - Episode 40

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

Dr. Drew answers caller questions about Ayahuasca, magic mushrooms / psilocybin, the politicization of medicine, and more. A nurse shares her experience with the Pfizer vaccine for COVID-19, and Dr. Drew discusses the importance of vaccinations in preventing serious symptoms of the novel coronavirus. After being censored by YouTube -- which locked his entire channel for another week -- Dr. Drew speaks out on the reasons he is joining new platforms and why he is establishing a channel at https://Rumble.com/DrDrew. [Originally broadcast on July 7, 2021] This episode of Ask Dr. Drew is dedicated to YOUR questions! Join the show on Clubhouse @DrDrew to ask Dr. Drew anything - questions about COVID-19, vaccines, addiction, relationships, health, current events... or anything you want to discuss! Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hey, everybody. Welcome. And we are also live on Clubhouse. We're going to be taking calls. Ask me anything there. So to be a part of the stream here, you just raise your hand and I will call you up to the podium. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. Psychopaths start this way. He was an alcoholic

because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals, but just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want help stopping. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Now, Susan, earlier today, you were sending me something from Dr. Peter McCullough. I wasn't quite sure what that was all about. Oh, he was a great guest. Yesterday, if anybody missed it, he has my cell phone number and he texted me this morning. He said that

it's very risky for you to have a vaccine after you've had COVID-19 and you should look out for psychiatric issues and take a baby aspirin every day. I want you to talk to him though, because that's a personal thing for you. Yeah, that's good and bad advice. So the baby aspirin today, I actively avoided. If you remember, Dr. Monica Gandhi said, whatever you do, don't take your aspirin because of the consumptive coagulopathy, which I stopped the aspirin for a while and I restarted again. So that's already in place. And the psychiatric stuff, yeah, I told you I've been having some of those. Yeah. So he said that he sees a lot of patients who have sort of a weird long hauler syndrome type thing or psychiatric problems or anyways,

I told him to talk to you because it just scares the shit out of me. And I really don't want to know. I don't think I've heard too much about it. No, but I honestly think that he is a good resource because he's on the front lines, you know? Yes. And he's a, he's a well-qualified academic. He's been in the field for a long time. The fact that people like him are being silenced is really what outrages me. I mean, you can disagree with him all you want, and you can fight. He's willing to engage, no problem. But the fact that we have these highly, highly trained with decades of clinical experience clinicians who are being not just ignored, but actively... Censorship is not a strong enough word.

And they're actively trying to destroy these guys that are just trying to render an opinion. Good medical advice. He also told me to tell Jordan not to get the vaccine because he had COVID. And I said, well, when, how, you know, what about after he goes, he should never need. That's probably true. That's not necessarily true. It's probably true. And I wouldn't.

And again, there's a lot of panic porn once again the press cannot there it's like it's addicted to trying to panic the american population i mean to be fair i'm not panicked i just i don't think he needs one either he had covid he has hang on you're not listening to me i don't want him you're not listening to me you're not listening to me to be fair we were just in Western Europe where the panic porn is not quite as bad, but they're at least the governments are engaged in the government in the panic porn as much as the press is here. But here the press seems absolutely addicted to the panic porn. And wherever you turn right now, all you hear are stories about the Delta virus. In fact, I was watching the BBC two days ago and some

alleged infectious disease doctor got up and just rang the panic alarm about the delta virus which doesn't look bad i maybe i'm wrong but it looks as though it is certainly more contagious and they're you know the way coronaviruses typically evolve in the face of evolutionary stress or is like vaccines is they become more contagious and less virulent. So it's easier to get them, but they cause less serious illness. And that's certainly what we're seeing here. Let's see. I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all.

I think that everybody needs to go to your doctor and ask if you're a candidate, if you're too young, if you have too many preexisting conditions, and if the vaccine is good for you. So it's not like a one-size-fits-all. And he's worried about you because you really probably shouldn't have had it. You did have a reaction to it. Thank God it was not fatal,

or hopefully it didn't do anything else to your brain. But I can't tell you, you seem fine to me. I think whatever I have is from COVID, not from the vaccine. But you learned, you learned Greek. I mean, you were speaking the Greek language for two weeks at very well. So it's not like your brain. No, no, no. Cognitively I'm fine, but I've been a little irritable, I'd say, but that's all right.

Did somebody. That's just because you live with me. Commandeer Casey Gates's Twitch account. There's something very strange going on there. So Tom Cigar, maybe you can take a look at that and see what's going on there. And let's see. I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the restream before we go out to the clubhouse folks.

In any event, Andraj Kazvili is saying that the Delta is already gone, that they're worried now about the Lambda. But I got to tell you, I'm a little worried about Lambda. I'm not worried about Delta. I'm worried about Lambda if the Peruvian data proves to be correct. We're seeing more contagiousness than Delta, meaning it will kind of move in here for sure. Oh, Drew, you're in private on Clubhouse. What does that mean? That's what Joe said. You're in private.

You need to un-private yourself. How do you do that? How many people are on there? 50 or so, something like that. Let me ask. Let me see. Our producer, Joe Gianotti, no one can enter because he's in private. There's all kinds of people in here.

Okay. And hands are up and everything. Joe's he's in private. There's all kinds of people in here. Okay. And hands are up and everything. Joe's had a rough day. Joe's having some trouble. Let me get some. Well, did you. I think it's working. I see people in there.

Yeah, there are plenty of people in there right now. Thanks, Caleb. So anyway, Lambda, if the Peruvian data proved to be even reflective of reality, has a 10% mortality rate overall and a higher infectivity. That's concerning. Now, we don't know, A, if that data is accurate, and B, is it only old people in that 10% sort of profile? We don't know. But it's something to keep an eye on.

That's all I'm saying. All right. Let me bring up some folks from the clubhouse, see what their questions might be, and we'll just kind of go from there. Eve, go ahead. Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey there. clubhouse see what their questions might be and we'll just kind of go from there eve go ahead hey dr drew hey there i'm happy to see you here we had a run-in many many years ago uh i had a studio downtown on 7th and santa fe uh the mom was from lapu bell she's on lapu bells on franklin oh yeah i remember well and her her son son, Gerald, was a drug addict. And I threw something for him at my studio. I remember that vividly.

I remember it vividly. You remember? First of all, Gerald really struggled. A. B. That was a great event back when the sort of arts district in Los Angeles was just getting going. It was just getting going. I was down there in the beginning trying to help all that happen.

And you came down and lend a hand with Gerald, which I really wanted to thank you for, for even attempting to do such a thing. You know, I took some extremes and how I did things. And I was just hoping to be a part of this in any way. Once I really know what you're on about, I just wanted to show up. Great. Well, I appreciate you. We're just, we're just

our chain. Anything, any questions people have just chance to kind of chat it up. Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. I want to ask us first a little question that might be strange, but because it's pertaining to drugs and native americans things like ayahuasca things like peyote uh things that people are kind of taking now saying they're having you know the nice cosmic trip yeah which we did all this stuff a long time ago that's why i was doing this with jorah i can't even remember the year was such a while 20 years ago Yeah, my daughter was four. She's 20 now. So 16 years ago. Paloma.

So that was a long time. So I've been experiencing, you know, the new, the young, the what's happening. Because I tend to be in that world, you know, because I'm a painter and I always have a studio, which I'm searching for right now. Making it through the pandemic. But I was curious about what advice might be given to them from a sort of medicine point of view. The native Americans had a point. I'm wondering how it looks for everyday people today. I'm not sure. Put that in the form of a question. I want to make sure I really understand your question.

Here's a question. Can it be looked at as a medicine? Yeah. Hallucinogenics you're talking about yes yeah okay those particular type for instance yeah okay that's kind of become popular now yeah ayahuasca is popular now yes you know things like that anthony i'm going to put you back in the audience and sort of talk about this for a minute so in broad strokes we're talking about hallucinogenics and their therapeutic properties. Of course, I think most people are aware that the Multidisciplinary Society for the Advancement of Psychedelic Studies, MAPS, I think is their acronym, M-A-P-S. I've interviewed their founder. He just published some data on the use of MDMA

in PTSD setting for trauma therapy. But I interviewed him at length, and he's very clear that these are therapeutic medications but have lots of potential risks associated with them and should only be used from his perspective in the context of a therapeutic setting where people really know how to use these things and people who have failed other interventions that are less risky, so-called. Now, the hallucinogenics are in multiple different categories, right? You're talking about the ayahuasca and ibogaine, which has been around for a long time. People have been using it for a long time for the treatment of addiction. Again, treatment of addiction. And when people go down

to other countries, and again, what they're calling Ibogaine and Ayahuasca, it's different things. It's hard to sort of standardize what it is people are getting exposed to, but I generally see people have three different experiences and about into 30%, 30%, 30% categories. 30% saying it's the worst experience they ever had, 30% saying it was a nothing, and 30% saying it was profound. So 60% of people have a bad or neutral experience, and that's a pretty bad track record for a so-called therapeutic medication, particularly when it comes to psychotropic medicines. Generally, when people, I've been very, very concerned about hallucinogenics because I've seen brain damage from them, primarily the psychedelics like LSD.

I've never seen brain damage from mushrooms. So mushrooms are a hot area of research right now. I do believe they will have therapeutic value. They clearly have therapeutic value in end of life, end of life anxiety, end of life dread. So when people have a terminal prognosis and they're approaching death and they're overwhelmed by anxiety or dread, the hallucinogens, both the LSD and the mushrooms, have been shown to be very beneficial in reducing that dread. May also cause brain damage, but there's no concern about that because that person's going to die in a very short order. So the brain damage is not a concern. For somebody who has a long life ahead of them,

it's a very serious concern. I've seen mood disturbances, memory problems, learning problems, personality changes, and some of them have been permanent. So that's been concerning to me. In terms of using Ibogaine or, oh shoot, I dropped the name of the other one. Um, this is since COVID I have a little bit of word, more word finding problem than usual. Um, help me, Susan, what were we just talking about? Anyway, I wasn't listening. Thank you. Uh, in any event, uh, these, uh, plant-based lucinogenics, um, uh, they have been used. People swear that they're effective in my experience. I've seen lots of people go use these, particularly if you're opiate addiction. Now, again, opiate addiction is a

life-threatening, dangerous problem. I think people finally understand that now. And I've seen typically people stop using the opiates for about six months, typically, and then go back. I've only seen one, maybe two, for sure one case where that didn't happen. Mind you, that's out of hundreds. So I'm not thoroughly sold on this. Now that one case, by the way, I don't think was an addict per se. I interviewed him a little bit and he seemed to have been more of a drug dependent, non-addicted. That's sort of a separate category of opiate use that we never used to see that we now see lots of because, I mean, Gerald, the guy you'd mentioned from La Pubelle, that guy was a full classic, full-on drug opiate addict. But because of the over-prescribing of opiates by physicians, we now have people that look like opiate addict. But because of the over-prescribing of opiates by physicians,

we now have people that look like opiate addicts that really are just strung out on them and we'll stop using them when we get them off. So it's a really kind of an interesting thing. So bottom line is much more research is needed. And I'm super clear that when it comes to addiction, none of the effects are due to some magical insight. All of it is due to altering brain function. So it's not as though that some cool insight is at hand. George Clark, I wonder if you agree with me on this or if you've seen something different. Let's get George up here.

George, George, George. Oh, I got to try it again. Hold on. Getting weird glitches in Clubhouse these days. George, you see stuff like that? Opioid. Uh-oh, your connection is really bad. Sorry, I'm on a bus.

Can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you bad. Give me a summary of what am I seeing, like on the streets of New York, stuff like that? No, no. Have you seen people use hallucinogenic therapies for addiction to any benefit? I was saying I rarely see it have a sustained effect. I've never seen it. Well, I can say i've never seen it and well i can say i've never seen it but even if i did i would i'm not in a position to really know um or understand the science behind it okay but

what i have seen um the opioid problem in new york city is you know it's been worse over the pandemic for sure there was a tent city outside my house yeah up until a few weeks ago but um someone i worked with in my job was a classic hurt his back in the 90s went in got opioids got strung out on them kicked them then switched to alcohol and then eventually get that. Yeah. That I've seen. That's a very common thing. Well, not very common.

It's a typical thing. And yeah, people think if they stop the drug that they have as their problem, they're magically going to be okay. But inevitably something else will pick up because it's a biological disorder of the sort of what I call the do it again part of the brain. And it's a resetting of what that part of the brain needs you to do in order to be consistent with survival. Even though that part of the brain doesn't really think it's a part of the brain that will fight as though it were a life threatening importance to get you to do this behavior again that activates the biology of the shell of the nucleus accumbens, essentially. How are you? Doing okay otherwise?

Yeah, it's disgustingly hot up here. In New York City? Yeah, it's 91 with 100% humidity. Great. Well, the city's coming back to life, isn't it? It is, but crime is still an issue. I moved you to the audience because great Lassini's coming back to life isn't it it is but

crime is still an issue I moved you to the audience because my producer is telling me the sound is not worthy so I apologize for that we love you George yeah George thank you I'm going back up to Ayesa I think is what

Ayesa am I getting that name right Ayesa did I think is what I'm... Ayesa, am I getting that name right? Ayesa, did I get that correct? Yeah. Hey there. It is correct. How are you? How are you? Good.

Questions? Yeah, yeah. I have actually two questions. One is pertaining to me personally, and the other one is very general. The first one that is pertaining to me is that I think there are two kinds of people who have schizophrenia the ones who have schizophrenia that they don't

know themselves that they are having schizophrenia but it's noticed by others and I think there is another like phenomenon of having schizophrenia that's the one who is having this kind of phenomenon like knows that he is having it but others cannot notice it. I call this one the schizophrenic self. It's a kind of having two identities or two minds within the same body. I want just to know if it is scientifically proven that schizophrenia is of two distinct-like phenomena. The one that can be known and seen by others and not known for persons.

I've never seen anybody break it down that way. like phenomena, the one that can be known and seen by others and not known for the person. I've never seen anybody break it down that way. Most people with serious mental illness of all types, including schizophrenia, have a form frost of something called anosognosia, which is a block in the ability to have insight into both the symptomatologies and the impact the symptomatologies are having on your life. If you have a delusion, you simply think those delusions are true. You don't think, hey, I'm having a delusion. Isn't that bizarre? Now, people with certain kinds of schizophrenia, again, there's many different sub, many different subtypes of schizophrenia, some more mild, some more severe, but many of different subtypes can be treated with cognitive behavioral therapies where they can learn to identify their delusions. So even though they believe them to be true, somebody can teach them when those thoughts come

up. Remember, schizophrenia is a thought disorder. It's a disorder of thinking. And as such, when you have a disordered thinking, you can't think your way into inside. You can't think your way out of it. It's a biological event that you were just in. And so the anosognosia. Now, in terms of being of two minds and all this stuff, I don't know quite what you're talking about. That's more dissociative disorders you know people that dissociate and have certain personality styles or certain ways of relating in certain environments and have certain experiences again usually around the phenomenon of dissociation that's where you typically see those things that i think you're talking about. I want just to give you experience that I've been under and you can diagnose my…

Sure, we can talk about cases like you. We can't diagnose you, we can talk about cases like you. Yeah, sometimes I'm extremely sociable, socializing with others with no problem. And other times I am extremely introverted, having myself into my own bubble, my comfort zone. Me too. That's your personality functioning. Is it normal for you? Maybe you have a social anxiety disorder overlying it or something that motivates you to stay isolated.

But none of that sounds unusual. Yeah. Is it like prior symptoms to something pertaining to psychopathic or sociopathic personalities? No, no, no. The fact that you're, like we always say, people that have serious mental illness don't think they have serious mental illness. They don't worry about themselves and don't sit there anxiously diagnosing themselves. Those are people with personality issues, mood disturbances, anxiety disorders, but not people with serious mental

illness. And in terms of psychopathy and sociopathy, the telltale time for psychopathy is you are gratified by torturing animals in childhood, gratified by taking advantage of other people, not having any understanding of emotions at all, but sort of learning how to adapt and behave as though you had emotions, like learning what emotions are from other people, but not really having them yourself. Sociopaths, and again, this is my way of categorizing these.

There's some debate about how to do so. Sociopaths are people that take advantage of other people. They know well what emotions are, but they take advantage of other people and will exploit and use them without caring about them to get their own needs met. It's like a severe narcissism. And the thinking is that psychopathy is a biological disorder. I refer you to Dr. James Fallon, F-A-L-L-O. And we did an interview with him here, didn't we, Susan? Dr. Fallon?

Weekly Infusion. Oh, it was on Weekly Infusion? I think we, maybe we had him on Ask too. We should get him back. He's a psychologist who was studying psychopathy and discovered, lo and behold, he was a psychopath. And he has a very, he has a TED Talk series out there and a bunch of YouTubes and

things. So you can learn more about psychopathy from him. But, uh, it sounds like more than anything, you have an anxiety disorder, uh, for sure. Uh, and I don't know that you do, but you sounds like you might have be someone with anxiety disorder and difficulty finding your way. You know, people have to form a cohesive identity before they stop thinking this way you know worrying about you know what's wrong with them okay tom cigar that's rage huh okay let me get a another call up here um tom what is tom doing he's how was the storm oh yeah uh tom's how how was the storm out that was the has the, has it hit yet? Even did it even go through Florida? I mean, they were, I think it was a big one. I mean, all you could

hear is it's now a hurricane. And then all of a sudden it's like, yep, nothing. So I, again, the press is disgusting. I don't know if anybody else is as disgusted as with them as I am. If you were in the audience, you can just raise your hand and I'll bring you up to the podium. Um, and, uh, again, you'll be streaming on YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, and Facebook. And this is Charles. What's going on, Charles? Things seem to have frozen a little bit. There's always a little lag before they get on. Charles, your mic is muted.

There you are. What's going on? Yeah, I was in the storm how was it well it basically sideswiped most of florida so it was just a storm it was not a hurricane here it was uh a lot of thunder lightning rain cool it was not too bad is uh psilocybin the other medicine that you were thinking of no uh it was ibogaine and Ayahuasca. It was Ayahuasca was the one I was thinking of. Oh, okay. You know, I just wanted to mention, I was watching Steve Kirsch the other day talk to Dr. Bean, and you were mentioning, you know, what happened to our profession. And Steve mentioned the word regulatory capture. and i think when they look back on this they'll

that's going to be a big part the basis of this whole problem and what did he what was you referring to what does that mean regulatory capture well the pharmaceutical companies basically bought and sold uh tedros uh the people at the cdc chris witty and these others and uh my thing is how did those people get to be to take away the volitional uh and sacred uh obligation of every physician in this country to make decisions on behalf of each individual patient they're caring for we relinquished all of that to the bureaucrats. We just relinquished it. Well, not the renegades. A few did not. They didn't capture Didier Raul. They didn't capture these doctors in Broward County and various others. But the vast majority of people,

you know, at the Mayo Clinic, at Mass General, that you would expect to have come up with some protocol, basically were bought and sold. Again, I think you're thinking about it a little bit different. I don't disagree with your basic sort of conclusion. But I think it's a little subtler than that because how did a pharmaceutical company have anything to do with everybody

practicing medicine here in Pasadena? Nothing, zero, nothing, nowhere. Okay, however- Well, it became communized. Right, because everybody immediately froze in place and looked to the bureaucrats, which is nothing we've ever done before. They don't do that with urinary tract infections.

Right. They don't do that with gastritis. We've never done it with anything. We've never done it, period. We didn't do it with H1N1. We didn't do it with MIRS. We didn't do it with SARS. We looked to them for a little background guidance as we worked our way through treating patients with these pandemic illnesses. You know, when I had H1N1, it wasn't like the infectious disease doctor I was working with was guided by the policies of Anthony Fauci or the U.S.

government. They had nothing to do with my treatment for the pandemic at the time. All of a sudden, we just let go of everything we do. Regulatory capture. Well, then it was prime for that. I would say it was even larger than just regulatory capture it was also media capture oh my god yes well i and so they the these a group of pharmaceutical companies basically somehow took over uh the regulatory groups which is fairly easy to understand but then they went one step even further and they somehow took over the media.

Yeah. Well, here's my perspective. Because do you think that until this pandemic, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC ever had anything to do with my practice of medicine or anyone in my community's practice of medicine? Nothing. Nothing. But the media made people think that they do.

Correct. The FDA would give guidelines to the drug companies in terms of what they could give me access to, but I could do whatever I wanted with those drugs. Right. They didn't extend this into how often you should get a mammogram. I even saw people talking about the AMA, which has nothing to do with anybody's practice, nothing. So these organizations have nothing to do with the practice of medicine ordinarily. And when they are functioning, I would be surprised to see that they are influenced by their financial resources and where they get their sort of funding for things. That makes sense to me. But we have no, we had no

business ceding our responsibility to these people. We've never done it in the history of medicine. And then these state and local healthcare officials took control, many of them not even doctors. And here in L.A. County, we had a sociologist. I mean, this was breathtakingly irresponsible, and the level of incompetence that was on display was phenomenal. They did this only in the background of the support of the regulators and the support of the media. Oh, yes. And think about what, and if you go back, look at what the media did. Media grabbed onto what the Chinese Communist Party did in China, in Wuhan, and said, we must do that. And that was not a medical intervention.

That was some sort of political intervention to save face. I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was rehearsed. I don't know if they was. I don't know if it was rehearsed. I don't know if they had that ready at hand to do those sorts of things because they had a dangerous laboratory there. I don't know. But that was not a medically directed intervention. That was a political maneuver. And we had the press in this country from day one demanding that we do the same thing that the CCP did. Go back and look at it.

You'll see. I lived through it in a vivid way. it was it was tough and and i was wrong about a lot of stuff too listen i was wrong about a lot of stuff as well no no you know you you when they look back on this you and dr bean and a few others are going to come out looking really, really good. Well, we'll see. We'll see. That's not my goal. My goal is for us all to get through this and get back to our lives. That's why you're going to come out looking good.

All right, my friend. Thank you, Charles. I appreciate it. Okay, man. That was nice. It was very nice. I'm being prompted to mention that. And, Caleb, you're going to have to jump in here.

We have a new channel on Rumble, rumble.com slash Dr. Drew. Is Rumble available right now to our streamers? Is that the deal? Caleb, are you there? Yes, actually. How do they find it? Just go to rumble.com slash Dr. Drew and boom. And will that show up?

Is there a chat that will show up? And is there a chat that will show up on my stream here? Yep, it'll pop up. Is there a chat that will show up? And is there a chat that will show up on my stream here? Yep. It'll pop up. It won't pop up in the restream chat that's over on the side of the channel, but it's another channel that people can watch us on. So I won't see any chat come out of there on my restream. Accurate?

Not yet. They don't have it built in yet. All right, good. All right, so rumble.com slash Dr. Drew, and give us two seconds on what Rble is. I don't know. I'm not familiar with the platform. Rumble is kind of a new, a newer platform that stands for anti-censorship stuff.

We started there specifically because of the YouTube strikes that they kept throwing around. And now, you know, you've always wanted to be on all platforms at the same time. Yeah, yeah. I would feel like we got to just push it out wherever we can, and that's the way to do things. Caleb, send me the login so I can look at it. Excellent.

So I can download it and see what's going on. Why don't we go ahead and take a little break, Caleb? We'll take a little break here. We are, just a reminder, we are on Clubhouse. We are taking your questions there. You can raise your hand. i see several of you there you're gonna have to listen to our ads today too yeah with our hands up they're gonna caleb has to play some ads here for this uh for the restream pay the bills uh and kristin sherwin liam i see you guys there with your hands up i i will be with you uh just after we take this brief. I want to give a shout out to our good friends at Blue Mics.

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Hi, Kristen. I am calling. I'm a nurse in Southern California, specifically your community, San Gabriel Valley. Right. So I was vaccinated back in December, December 24th specifically. And I have been suffering for six months with a laundry list of neuro and vascular side effects from that vaccine. I would say about January, February, I started, I was following your COVID journey and I hooked up with the InCell DX team. Good. Which is Dr. Yeo and Dr. Patterson. Yes.

Excellent. So after a while, they were open to, you know, they've started looking at more of the vaccine related injuries in addition to the COVID long haulers. Correct. And I had my blood work done with them, the cytokine panel. Right. And yes, indeed, I had a long haulers index, however, tested negative multiple times. For? COVID.

Okay, got it. So it's vaccine related. Yes. It was vaccine related. Yeah. I know in my heart of hearts. No, no. He has a whole cohort now of people like you.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is a thing. Yeah. But the minute I got the vaccine, I had like a flesh tingling sensation through my body. It's funny. I did too. Which vaccine did you have?

Pfizer. I said Johnson & Johnson. I immediately had a body wide chill. It was very strange. Yes. Yes. And then it's like everything just slowly started adding on. Um, so I'm so grateful to you because I found this team of wonderful, supportive doctors and my internist has been extremely supportive. Um, but my question to

you is in, and I know like just in our community, you have a lot of respect, a lot of credibility. How do we, because I'm not the only one, and I know people, you know, just among my friend group who've had reactions, they're going to the hospitals, they're getting turned away with anxiety diagnosis. Oh boy. I had horrible POTS-like symptoms, high tachycardia. And that's kind of what everyone says. Well, it's probably just stress. It's anxiety. No, no, no.

It's clearly not. Listen, plus you have an objective evidence of active inflammatory disease. So let's not waste time talking about anxiety. Exactly. How do we raise awareness with the healthcare community? Because it is like, there are some wonderful doctors in our backyard who I have lost so much respect for because they just won't connect the vaccine with these reactions. Well, let's first just think about you being vaccinated. What kind of nursing do you do? Well, now I'm not at the bedside.

I work in nursing education. I'm in the hospital. And historically, was there a particular field of nursing? Med-surg. Med-surg. Okay. And you know we do bad shit to people to prevent bad shit, right? Yeah. That's sort know, we do bad shit to people to prevent bad shit, right? Yeah.

That's sort of what we do. We do bad things in hopes of producing, heading off worse things. And so I don't see how you could have avoided being vaccinated. So it wasn't wrong to be vaccinated, right? You work in the medical field, the risk reward, even in retrospect was worth it. The problem now is, okay, you've had an injury from this vaccine. It happens. We should be able to take care of that, and we should be proactively anticipating these sorts of reactions because they're not terribly uncommon.

And in a weird way, the way I sort of loosely think about vaccine reactions, it's sort of mini COVID, right? And the inflammatory profile sort of bear that out. Now there's other things going on with the vaccines that people like Steve Kirsch and, you know, Dr. McCullough are worrying about. They're worrying about organ and organ specific parenchymal damage that may or may not be caused by spike proteins or you know the the protein the envelope that the protein is being sent in with somehow having some strange reaction in tissues where they shouldn't have those things and that makes sense to me but those are pretty rare reactions those are not the kind of things that they're typical what i have

typically seen is consumptive coagulopathy. So something's happening to our platelets, and we now know that that something is very similar to heparin-induced thrombocytopenia, right? It's a PD, I think they call it PD4 receptor problem. And we now know where it is. We know what it is. So that is happening, right?

And there we go. My image is back. And because that is happening, now we have to be on the lookout for, well, could we be seeing vasculopathies or organ damage from the vasculopathy? Probably, right? Probably that's a big part of this. Plus, there are other cytokine-induced, monocyte-induced sorts of inflammatory processes that we don't fully understand yet, but that are also part of why our brains aren't happy, right? So there's at least, you know, three or four things that could be going on to make us feel bad and to give us

organ issues, organ performance issues, and also brain-related symptomatology. Now, what have you been treated with? I am going on six weeks of ivermectin and low-dose steroid, and I'm going to start a statin. And it's funny that the statins are, I just learned that the statins are showing some good effect. That was mind-blowing to me. And have you had anything else before this? Health-wise? No, no. Have you been treated with anything else prior to this?

No. Okay. And do you know, did you have any abnormalities in the VEGF factor? Yes. My VEGF was elevated, so was my rants. Um, they told me I had a long hauler index. I was on that. Definitely. And I, I, is there a reason they didn't use fluvoxamine for you? I did that for 15 days. Okay. Um, I didn't notice any changes with it. Okay. Cause that seems like where they probably would have started. Did you do that on your own

or did these guys recommend? No. Oh no, no, no. They have, they, they collaborate, you know, my doctor got on board with us and so I did the 15 day. Oh, I lost Kristen. You know, the, the ivermectin and the glucozoides. Okay. So, uh, and is Dr. Yeo working with you personally or some other doctor? Yes. Dr. Yon Patterson. Okay. So is Dr. Yeo working with you personally or some other doctor? Yes, Dr. Jan Patterson. Okay. Dr. Yeo is pretty optimistic about this particular protocol he's using. Last time I talked to him, he was very excited about it. So he would expect you to have some improvement.

Has Maravirine? Oh, I have. Okay, good. You're on it now. I've had significant improvement. I had numbness and tingling. I've had my hot symptoms have decreased okay great fatigue is improved i do relapse at the i have a half a glass of wine and it sets me back to to january gosh i had a weird thing when i get swinging in his ears when he drinks yeah i still have that but but i had a very weird thing which a glass of wine when i when i was with the long thing, which a glass of wine, when I was with the long haul or fatigue, a glass of wine would relieve the fatigue. Two glasses of wine would destroy me.

It was very weird. It was very weird. I've had many, many weird and uncanny symptomatologies with this thing. It's been very strange. Yes, yes. Exercise too. I cannot exercise. No, there's no way I could have. But fluvoxamine pulled me out there's no way i could have but fluvoxamine pulled me out of that how many weeks ago or did she have it covered she had the vaccine in december oh it's from the vaccine yeah it's from the yeah yeah i kind of just stuck it out and waited to get my blood work done back in march and then we finally got the treatment going so so here i am probably in total if we count the fluvoxamine eight weeks.

Can you write a little article for like a nursing journal or something, editorial or, you know, a sort of personal story? You know, there's always journals do accept those kinds of things, right? Yeah. Cause we got it. It just seems like a lot of doors close when you bring up the vaccine. Well, I suppose you're right. I mean, because there's this huge fear that we're going to somehow increase vaccine hesitancy. Exactly. And I don't think now maybe I don't want to speak on your behalf. Go on rumble. Well, she just came on your show, Drew. But I don't think either of us would want to increase vaccine hesitancy. Is

that accurate? Yeah. No, I'm definitely pro-vaccine. I've got three kids. They've all been vaccinated their entire lives. I mean, this isn't an anti-vax issue for me, but for me, it's more about educating our healthcare, you know, our ERs, our urgent cares. Right. So it should be, this is about preparing the medical system to help people that have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. That's all. It's not about not to the vaccine. That's all. It's not about not taking the vaccine. I mean, if anything, that should reduce hesitancy because we could say, hey, if you have a reaction, you've heard about some long hauler stuff in the press or whatever, you heard it on sort of scuttlebutt online, we have treatments for that.

We can make you better. So relax. Take the vaccine. You know what I mean? That's how we should be approaching this. But of course, in this world of no communication, it's just, oh, it's, it's just so frustrating because I've worked at my employment place for, I mean, since I was a new grad nurse, I don't back in the nineties and it's just, it's shocking to me that we just won't talk about the elephant in the room.

What, what, what do you have any specific thoughts about how we got here? I'm wondering from your perspective if you have any insight. I'm trying to figure it out because it was truly uncanny. This whole thing was nothing I've ever seen. Personally, I just feel, unfortunately, this issue has been politicized so much, and I don't understand how healthcare and politics became so intermeshed. Right.

Bottom line. But I think that's our big problem. Yes, I would agree with you. Well, Kirsten, right? Kirsten, am I getting that right? Kirsten. Kirsten, I really appreciate you coming in and talking about this. And keep talking about it so people can, if they hear similar symptomatology themselves, that they know that they can go to covidlonghaulers.com and sort of sign in there, figure things out. And if any of

you are physicians or healthcare providers, listen carefully to what Kirsten is telling you. These are not anxiety disorders. And by the way, even though you had prominent POTS, a lot of the patients I saw early on in this thing, both from the pots from COVID and the pots from the vaccine were given breathing exercises that did nothing. They did nothing except frustrate the patients. So it's not something easy to manage. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, even just people will respond back and say, Hey, my doctor put me on a medril dose pack or a, you know, it's like, well, okay, but that's really not, you know, too sloppy. I don't know. Too sloppy. Yeah. There's a more systematic way to do this. And by

the way, you don't need that much steroid. A dose pack is too much. And, uh, so, uh, but this, my prediction is over the next three months, maybe six, hopefully three, we'll see a lot of refinement, uh, cause, uh, Yo and Patterson will publish what they're seeing. We'll see a lot of refinement because Yo and Patterson will publish what they're seeing. We'll see a lot of refinement in the approach to this stuff and it'll be very interesting to see how it plays out. But Kristen, thank you so much for speaking up and talking about this and stepping in here. I'm going to bring other people up on the phone here.

Let me just quickly, they've got a good lineup of people here really quickly. This is Brie. Brie, go ahead. Hi, Dr. Drew. So my name is Brie Andresen. I know Kirsten very well and several other people that unfortunately

have experienced neurological reactions to the COVID vaccine. I was actually one of those that was in the clinical trials. And so I was one of the first to experience the neurological decline. So my question is, obviously Patterson's running his study. It's very compelling, also somewhat disturbing. And then we also have the NIH that's working on their study. Their information is also interesting. They're going the same route with long haulers in vaccine long haulers. And then there's also Mayo that's doing some studies as well. But the problem is, of course, because of the stigma, we're not allowed to talk about it. And so what's happened, and as you've seen as well is that no

one's able to get adequate medical care right and so it's strange to be in this kind of alternate reality with everyone right that we're all moving in this and we can't say anything there are medicine is replete with uh patient populations get that get stuck in these sort of never never lands. Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue and all that stuff has all neurasthenia. These have always been sort of patted on the back and sort of set on their way and not really carefully managed. Yes, exactly. So it's been kind of strange to also be in this situation where if we just talked about this, right, and just like you were saying with the informed consent, I absolutely do not believe that if we provided informed consent to the American public that they would stop vaccinating. Correct. People are going to choose to be vaccinated and they will be armed with the knowledge they need.

And in fact, people tend to get more paranoid when they feel like things are obfuscated, like there's something they're not telling me. Then they freeze in place, right? Absolutely. So now we're giving them fuel to the fire, right? And so now we're in this movement where we're trying to be seen, we're trying to be heard, and now we have conspiracy theorists pounding down our doors, right? Just give us your ammo, please. No, no, no. And in the meantime, we are knocking on legitimate media, right? For months we've been doing this, and we haven't gotten it anywhere, unfortunately. Well, and when you say legitimate media,

have you tried maybe international press at all? Have you tried like the BBC? Yes, we've contacted BBC. We've contacted, um, actually we've reached out to Israeli press as well. They're working with one of our people.

Um, actually I've been actually, uh, CNN, uh, CBS, all of them. Um,

so it's been pretty interesting because we haven't gotten any snags. We have a couple of freelance journalists that have been following us for a couple of months. We had a very prestigious editor at New York Times that was following us and then she couldn't run it either. We even tried to pay for a PR company. We tried to pay them $1,000 to do a press release and they couldn't and they wouldn't. So unfortunately, even with the emerging case studies that actually corroborate our claims show causality and we have two pages worth of documentation, scientific peer-reviewed journals for this. Has anybody stepped up with you like dr yo or dr patterson any of those

guys that really know the landscape yeah so dr yo he actually uh i'm sure you've seen his youtube video where he came out he's like like let's talk about the elephant in the room yeah and we really appreciate that we're trying to get him hooked up with a major network right now um but of course you know there's clearly you know um who knows if youtube will give me a third strike just for us having this conversation well we have rumble now yeah they probably will rumble facebook we have twitch and we have twitter so we understand cut off on youtube all youtube people need to stay on our Twitter and find out because it could happen. So we understand what you're up against.

I do feel like things are loosening up a little bit. The ability to actually have this conversation on a large scale is clearly not going to happen in the short run, but it probably will happen soon. And I would just urge patience. I don't think anyone is going to get the vaccine that wouldn't have had they not heard your story. You know what I mean? And by the same token, I'm actually concerned there are people that are resisting taking the vaccine that would get it if they heard your story. You know what I mean? They would at least feel as though they're being given all the information and be less paranoid. So that bothers me,

but I don't feel like it's going to be a major issue. And I would just, you're on the side of a story that needs to be told and will get told eventually and hang in. Hopefully, I mean, the whole reason we're doing this, I mean, I'm on the tail end of this thing. I've been through the worst of it. Sure, I'm glad you're better.

It's hard to bring everybody along. I mean, there's like over 4,000 of us just in our group now, but it's just kind of sad that we know what we know. We know there are early intervention measures that can help the NIH. If we hadn't been through just what we just went through, I would be mortified by this. I'd be shocked and confused. But given what we've been through

the last year, this makes perfect sense. The truth will prevail. And I would just urge you to be very, very cautious. Again, thank you, Bree. The website is covidlonghaulers.com. I'm glad she's better. I don't know if I'm going to pronounce your name correctly. Murha? Murha? Murja? She's not up there yet.

Let me see if she enters there. There you are. How can I help you? There you are. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi, everybody. How are you? I do have a question. Yes, there you are. How can I help you? There you are. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi, everybody. I do have a question. Yes, ma'am.

My question is, I know there are still a lot of people who are against taking the vaccine. And also people feel like the whole COVID was like a hoax type of situation. And I mean, what do you have to say to that? Because I think for me, I actually work in biotech, but I'm in a quality assurance role. I'm in cell and gene therapy. So my question to you is, why do you feel that people are not so in tune with taking the vaccine? And I think for me also, I think it's quite interesting that we've had so many outbreaks in the world or in the united states but a vaccine was not the determining factor of keeping you safe it's like now with the

covid it's almost like the vaccine is the determining factor of oh should you wear a max or should you not wear a max um this is moja i'm done speaking i did take the vaccine and um like the i forgot the lady who spoke earlier um when she made the comment oh she felt like a little tingle yeah i thought that was my first dose but i took madonna i thought that was my first dose as soon as they gave it to me and i was fine with the first dose. But with the second dose, I definitely had the fever like since I was like 24 hours later. But I was fine after that 24 hours. And now you're protected, which is nice. Yes.

Thank you. I've always felt that vaccine resistance was a byproduct of the terrible biological education we have done in this country. People do not understand biology and how biology works. They just are, I'm sorry, they have not even a beginning of a clue of biology. And you work in biotech. Certainly you must see. That would be me. Well, you're actually better than most. Well, I've been married to you for 30 years. People believe, people believe. Yeah, that's my wife yeah well actually we've almost been together 40 years but i was a medical when i came into this relationship yeah yeah and

people want to believe that biology functions like a narrative you know that there's a subject and a predicate and then you can conclude and that is not biology is more like a cloud and there's a subject and a predicate, and then you can conclude. And that is not, biology is more like a cloud. And it's a, you know, where the cloud is going and how it's forming is a giant probability notion. And that's biology. It's sort of a, it's just a massive probabilistic soup. And, you know, and it's extraordinarily complex. And the math is incredibly complicated. And I rarely come across someone who has even the most basic training in this area.

You certainly must come across this as somebody who works in biotech, right? So it's interesting you ask that question because my background actually stemmed from smallpox vaccine. I used to work for a company where we manufactured smallpox vaccine for the government. Then I moved into antibodies for like menostatic breast cancer. And now I'm in cell engine therapy for HIV.

And my job recently started testing for COVID. And it was quite shocking to see how much sample we're still getting till today. And when it was quite shocking to see how much samples we were still getting till today. And when it was implemented, the CEO did that to try to get us to feel safe in coming back into the office and knowing that we're going home safe to our families. Then it became an aspect of like a revenue for the company because it's still so busy.

And, you know, people are still catching COVID even if the information is not put out there as much anymore yes well i i don't have a good explanation uh i did you i'm not sure i quite got your question what was the question exactly so my question is you know we've had so many outbreaks in the world you know like i like in the world we've had so many outbreaks like you know of course you know we have to take like you know people have to get the flu vaccine and all that stuff i'm saying that why is it now with the pandemic like people are still against getting vaccinated and why is it also that the vaccine is now the determining factor of if she should wear a mask or do not wear it like for me me, I'm still wearing a mask. Okay.

So I can't speak to the mask issue except that people are tired. And they want to know, I think, on some level there's sort of a psychological phenomenon where people want to have some benefit to getting the vaccine. I'm taking that risk. I'm going to get the vaccine so I'm protected, my family's protected,

and we do reduce the viral replication so I help protect the world. But I want to be able to be freed up a little bit. And so there's mask fatigue. Now, people are looking at the best studies show 15%, 20% efficacy of mask. It's not clear the masks are doing a lot. And so people are looking at that and thinking, eh, it's probably not that necessary.

If that Lambda thing takes off, we're going to see more masks, is my humble opinion. But in terms of the increase in vaccine hesitancy, I believe we have been through a huge delusional period. Literally, I don't know if it's because the press made people sort of paranoid to the point of delusion. The communist plot. But the delusionality, it's been frankly delusional. And now that delusional kind of thinking has trickled down into these vaccine folks who have been skeptical about the source of the delusion and now are adopting their own delusional field thinking about stuff. It's like the delusion has trickled

down and shifted. The people who are delusional now are the ones who are saying, hey, you guys, you're panicking unnecessarily. You're thinking delusionally. And now they're thinking delusionally. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. I hope somebody can analyze it, figure it out, write a book about it one day. All I know is that our thinking has been impaired to the point where, again, I just go back to basic science training. People, if they had a sort of a structure to fall back on where they could sort of start to use careful, it's all cognitive dissonance, It's all cognitive distortions. And if we could get back to a, a world where people used, you know, sort of careful strategic thinking, but

very few people are trained to do that. And so a lot of people have felt fallen victim to the, the delusional sort of a sway of the moment. Like riding a bike and wearing a mask. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, gosh, I'm not wearing masks outside anymore. Just, I refuse. Well, there's, there's, um, that's one of the, there's one of the resistant folks right there. Uh, Liam, what's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Thank you so much for having me out. This is awesome. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. Um, I've got a bit of a lighter question but still very related all right sort of a going back to normal question um so just a bit of background i'm a i'm a mid-20s guy i've got a group of

friends that every year i go to a we we airbnb a cabin out not far from uh just a few hours out and uh it's a tradition now this year obviously there's a lot more uh covid related you know safety questions of okay so some of us have the shot some of us have decided not to um and uh i was presented a challenge uh just shortly before jumping on with you, which was, so I have chosen not to, at this time, receive any of the available shots. And the compromise that was presented to me from the majority that have received the shots who are uncomfortable was, would you get a test within a certain amount of time to show that that's the way to deal with this? That's the way to do it. For sure. Yeah, for sure. But then the other layer is now I'm a layman and I'm also willing to it's you're totally right about delusional thinking.

And I think it's important for everybody to be self-aware of the possibility of our own delusions. So that's what I'd like to do. And by the way, what I am not saying is if you choose not to get the vaccine, you're delusional. I am not saying that. She was saying what's fueling the extreme hesitancy. And I think there is kind of a delusional background, but somebody who gets all the data, looks at it, is young and chooses not to take it, I'm fine. Fantastic. Well, it means a lot to hear you say that, actually. Now, the one other complicated part is, with my limited understanding of testing, as it is right now,

it's my understanding that perhaps the use of the PCR test with the broad approach, the broad way it's being implemented... 30 cycles. The 30 cycles, you're at a high risk for cycles. The 30 cycles, you're at some risk for a false positive. Yeah. So I have a similar hesitancy to specifically that test and the way it's being used in my province here in BC. I just don't agree with the way it's being

presented in terms of case numbers and such. That being said, I have nothing against being tested. So what I wanted to ask you was, first of all, your take on the PCR situation, but then also if you can provide some clarity on the antigen tests, the antibody tests, and for my situation, which would be the most appropriate? You could always do a daily antigen test, and there's some pretty good antigen tests out there. And that should make everybody happy. PCR is the more sensitive test. It will pick up.

But the crazy thing about all this testing is even if you develop the disease, you may not turn positive for a few days so it gets kind of wonky when you start using it as a screening instrument to try to determine infectivity but i think i i think if you if they'll let you get by without a pcr i think some of the particularly the abbott antigen tests are pretty darn good and just do an antigen test every day. They have cartridges you can get. You're going to spend a little money doing it, but they should be very happy with you doing that for them. Yeah. Okay. Abbott. You said Abbott. Abbott. The Abbott antigen test is very good. Okay. That's great. I will look into that. Thank you so much. You bet. Oh my goodness. Well, I'm running out of steam guys. Everybody wants to know why we didn't have

curtains for six months in our bedroom. I was telling Anthony Brown that I used to make up at six 30 every day cause we didn't have curtains. Now we have curtains. I'm trying to push it towards 8am so that I don't fall asleep at 8pm. Right. So explain to people why we didn't have curtains. We, I remodeled my, my bedroom windows. We put in higher windows and a door to a porch and it took a while to build the porch, but immediately I ran out to this place called Calico Corners. And I met this designer there and she came over to look at shades cause I was thinking electronic shades or just shades. She says, no, you need to put these drapes in. said great you design them I know nothing about drapes I am not

a drape person I don't know how I don't know I this is not my forte I can do electronic shades I can build a porch I can remodel a kitchen I can put in carpet I just what happened drapes are not my thing so anyway she ordered the fabric and a month later she calls up and goes, oh, your fabric's not in stock. And I was like, we don't have any drapes. Okay, well we'll order some other stuff and we'll come right away. Another month goes by. We ordered this stuff. It doesn't come. I go on vacation. She goes, it's going to be here in the end of May. End of May, right? Beginning of June last week. Yeah last week yeah and and i and i said great i'm gonna be out of town but you can come over and put the drapes in so she shows up and you know and i'm

just like this is ridiculous i mean drew's like i really want to have some drapes in here and so this was like the first thing i planned it was affecting my sleep like crazy yeah and so um she drew got so pissed he i lost I lost it. Well, she said, she was going to worry about the psychiatric stuff from the vaccine. I think that's where it was. Well, she called and said, Oh, the guy came to hang the drapes when we got back from our trip. Couldn't do it while we were gone. No, it was here for a month. And, uh, he couldn't figure out how to make it work. And then I was like, I don't know what to do. I just, I'm giving up. I said, why is this my problem? And she I was like, I don't know what to do. I just, I'm giving up.

I said, why is this my problem? And she, you know, why am I trying to fix something that she made or designed? Drew got on the phone and just ripped her a new a-hole. I didn't, I was, I started very nice. But she was, she's, she's very defensive all the time. Oh my goodness. And. So anyway, we were not happy.

Yeah. So anyways, we finally got the customer service of all time. So Jew called the CEO. I tried to reach the CEO. I tweeted, they didn't care. They don't seem to care about their customers. Well,

here's, here's their defense. The defense is, and I hate working with designers. This is why I don't hire designers. I do everything myself. Cause if I don't like it, it's my own damn fault.

I'm going to, I'm going to, but, but wait, here's the thing. They were short-staffed because of COVID. And the fabrics weren't being made in time. I'm going to leave the clubhouse room right now because I don't want everyone there to have to sit through all this.

I apologize for our tale of woe. You guys have been great today. We're going to finish the story on the screen. First world problems. Yeah, the first world problems here. But hang on. But I have drapes now. I just want to read now. I'm going to sleep in in the morning. Hang on. Thank you in Clubhouse. I'm going to leave quietly. You guys have been great. Kirsten, thank you for bringing up the issues. Bree, very interesting.

Keep fighting the good fight. Great questions today. Mirza, thank you so much. And I'll be back again probably next Wednesday. Is that accurate on Clubhouse? Maybe. Yeah, we'll do this again next week. Yeah, probably next week. Wednesday that accurate on Clubhouse? Yeah, we'll do this again next week. Yeah, probably next week. Wednesday, same time. Same time, 3 o'clock Pacific time. So come back. And we might do a Clubhouse in between here and there.

We might have to do one tomorrow. I don't have a guest yet. Yes, we might actually do one tomorrow. My guest that you set up canceled. I know. I understand. But I'm working on it. Okay, see you later, Clubhouse.

Thank you. And also check us out at drjew.tv. Okay, now you finished the story. Go ahead. You had all these curtains. So anyways, finally, I got a hold of the guy that hangs the drapes, and we were playing good cop, bad cop, and he got them installed. And Drew is very happy now.

So they need tiebacks, though, because she made them so full. When you open the curtains, you can't see outside the windows, and it's a million-dollar view. It's like, oh, great. So now we're waiting for tiebacks, which will probably cost me another $2,000. can't see outside the windows and it's it's a million dollar view it's like oh great so now we're waiting for tiebacks which will probably cost me another two thousand dollars and take another six weeks oh my god i don't know she sent me this really fancy like ribbon stuff and i was like i the other guy said you just have fabric left over you can make some little tiebacks with

and i don't know why i shouldn't make tiebacks it's so weird but so you've had a chance to vent now but anyways feel better anthony i love you anthony brown yeah okay just don't call me until after eight o'clock oh he called you in the morning well he gives me a he's he wakes me up and says hello to me every day and i love him but i'm not waking up at 6 30 anymore so i'm gonna try to up like, or at least just be comfortable in my bed, just kind of with my eyes half open until eight. Understood. That's Pacific time. So anybody's calling from the East Coast, wait until 11. All right, guys, it has been great.

Thank you all for showing up today. We appreciate it. Caleb, thank you for producing this from a distance there. Hope things are well in Alabama and you're avoiding some of the tropical storms. Kristen, Chris is willing to make your tiebacks for you. Susan, so. I know. I know they're working on it.

She said by Thursday. She said Tuesday. She goes, oh, I mean Thursday. I was like, whatever. I'm not even going to go down that road. I'm so happy they're just up and they work. And you're happy with that. I can't see out the window anymore.

Anthony feels now ashamed by your public admonition. No, I just want to let him know that if I get a text, I have to change my notifications on my phone because I'm on a different time zone now. I see. I love Anthony. Yes, we all love Anthony. And Anthony, we need to have a phone conversation. I'm on a different time zone now. I see. I love Anthony. Yes, we all love Anthony. And Anthony, we need to have a phone conversation. I keep trying to find time for that. I trust that I've forgotten you. All right, everybody, we will be in here tomorrow around

the same time. Whether or not we'll use a little clubhouse or not or come up with a good guest, we'll hopefully think about that. Naomi Wolf is back in my life, Susan. Why don't we get her back? I can call her. Let's call her. I've been communicating with her a little bit. I texted Alex Berenson. I texted Eliza Blue and I'm going to text, but I texted Tyrus. Nobody loves me anymore because we went away and had too much fun, I think. Or they're listening to my bullshit stories about drapes. Your old pop mart from Sweden. Hi there. We're interesting.

We think I love at the end of the international sort of input here. I do need with Chris to live near me and make me drapes. Chris, there's a call to action. Damn it. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us. And I will see you tomorrow.

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