Ask Dr. Drew - ‘Bad Batch’ Vaccine Study: Some Batches Drove 80x Adverse Reactions, Says Danish MD & Rare Diseases Expert – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 637

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

A new peer-reviewed study of nationwide German data finds suspected adverse-event reports for COVID-19 vaccines were sharply elevated in the earliest weeks of rollout, then fell suddenly. The authors call it a possible batch-dependent safety signal. Danish physician Dr. Vibeke Manniche, the study’s lead author and the only Danish doctor to speak out publicly against lockdowns from the start, joins to break down the findings. Published in the International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine, the analysis covers the first three and a half years of Germany’s vaccination campaign. For one product, early-rollout reporting rates were roughly 80 times higher than the rates seen just weeks later. Dr. Manniche also makes the case for why the US could learn from Denmark’s childhood vaccine schedule. Filmmaker Michael Pack, president of Palladium Pictures, discusses their new WSJ Opinion documentary “The Lockdown Dissidents.” Director Rand Courtney speaks on “La Lucha: Getting Schooled in America,” which follows five teens through poverty, trauma, and a broken school system. Dr. Drew is featured in the film. Dr. Vibeke Manniche, MD, PhD, is a Danish physician and author of 35 books on children, family, sleep, and medicine. With 34 years of medical practice, she has worked in epidemiology across rare diseases and public health. She was the only Danish doctor to speak publicly against COVID lockdowns from the outset. Follow at https://x.com/mannichevibeke Michael Pack is the President and CEO of Palladium Pictures LLC, an independent film company he launched in 2023 with his wife, Executive Producer Gina Cappo Pack. Palladium focuses on high-quality documentaries across long-form features, short-form series, and a film incubator program. He is producer and director of The Lockdown Dissidents, part of WSJ Opinion Docs. Follow at https://x.com/MichaelPack_ Rand Courtney is the director of La Lucha: Getting Schooled in America, an award-winning film streaming free on Plex, Xumo, Documentary+, Tubi, Fawsome, and Fandango at Home. The film follows five at-risk teens navigating poverty, crime, and a broken education system in Pacoima, Los Angeles. Learn more at https://creativedeviants.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Rebecca Maneikov is a Danish physician, 34 years of medicine, offer of over 35 books. Only a Danish physician to speak out against COVID lockdowns from day one. She has a brand new peer-reviewed study on Germany's nationwide vaccine data showing some interesting results. In the first few weeks of rollout, reported adverse events for one vaccine ran about 80 times higher than they did this weeks later. And she early on had documented the fact that the particular lot of vaccine determined much of the adverse event. She'll explain what this means of why women made up nearly three quarters of the reports and why she thinks America should take a hard look at Denmark's version of the childhood vaccine schedule. Follow her on X at you're going to have to spell this out for you. M-A-N-N-I-C-H-E-V-I-E-V-I-E-K-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-N-X.

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She's also on Instagram with her name. I'm not going to try to browse again. Let's get into it right now. Vuebeca, thank you so much for joining here. Caleb, for some reason, my... Yeah. She's sort of fading in and out for me. There we go.

Is that at my end, Caleb? Or is that coming through Zoom? Something that just changed with her audio. Okay. She may have just put in her headphones right before the show. Doctor, if you could, we're not hearing anything. Yeah, maybe take out the headphones and just use the computer. Go back to the way it was when we did the test.

That's much better. Much better. Can you hear anything now? All good. Much better. Much better. Okay. So let's talk about this study, first of all, in Germany.

and what you observed there. And how does it relate to what you had observed previously in terms of the importance of the vaccine lots? Well, as you say yourself, this is our, I think this is our third study, literally showing the same. We had access to data from Germany, officially data from Germany.

It's a population about 80 million people. And we looked into the reported side effects. and when the reported side effects were there. And it showed that all the, especially the MRNA vaccines like from Pfizer and Moderna, that the side effects were reported in the start of the rollout, which is literally the same pattern which was shown on Swedish data and on Danish data. And there's been a similar study on check data. So we actually just, you could say, replicated the earlier studies.

And it's literally the same way showing. which is disturbing because it shows that the badges were different. It had a high risk of getting side effects and also serious side effects, death and so on. And other badges, your risk were close to zero, which is, of course, a very big problem with the quality. So it's literally a replicate. And I think, you know, like Jay Batater-Cheri has said himself from NIH, that when you look into scientific works, it's very important to replicate, you know,

try and see, was this just a lonely bird you could say, or is it a pattern we can replicate? And so we're done. So it would actually be very interesting to do the same study on big U.S. data if we had the possibility, of course. If they would allow you to, let me ask something. And by the way, Sasha Latipova has been raising alarms about the fact that the procedures that they were using

were so substandard that she was, she early on expected this kind of outcome that you're, you're uncovering. I want to ask a sort of an aside question, which is, is Europe or are Europeans angry that these just ridiculous mandates like six feet and masking were mandated upon them because of what was initiated in the United States? And then they're handed a vaccine that harmed them without. any risk-reward information? You know, I wish I could say, yes, everyone is so angry in Europe,

but that would be a totally lie, because it's much more the opposite, like everyone is trying to, let's forget all about it, let's not talk about it, let's just move ahead. And of course, the politicians is also trying to censor the whole discussion. And actually, I'm very much following what's happening in the U.S. because although, you know, I understand you're frustrated, I understand that, you know, angry, we should be that all over the world. But at least you're having a discussion.

In Europe, it's silence, it's censored. You know, you're not allowed to talk about this. And actually just yesterday that came out here in Denmark a new report with cancer and how many cases. And we have never had that many cancer cases in Denmark. So we have a rising number of cancer cases. you know, both new cancer cases and how many is living with cancer. And that's so disturbing because the thing is it's not even legal to ask the question. Could there be a connection?

I'm not saying there's a connection. I'm just saying let's at least ask the question, go into the data, have some independent scientists like ourselves and others, and look into the proper data. But they're hiding the data. They are lying about the data. And so no, that's a long answer for a short question. But all I'm saying is I wish that the population was much more angry, much more upset, much more frustrated because we have to be. It's so awful what happened.

And when I saw those data yesterday and I see our own studies, you know, I really get upset. And I'm so sad because parents are mourning. We saw the discussion from CDC. and how many fatalities has there been with COVID-19 vaccine for children. And, you know, parents are mourning for the loss of their children. I think we should be very angry. I think the population should be. But most of all, it should be legal and legit to have the discussion.

And that's not still allowed in Europe. So I'm very happy what's going on at the States. And slowly it will spread also to Europe. The crazy thing about not answering, asking the question. So you're not allowed to say, first of all, you're not allowed to say there are more cancers. You're not even allowed to say that. So we had a first document, are there more cancers? Oh, there are, because we all can see it clinically.

So there are. Okay. Are they different than cancers we had pre-COVID? Oh, they are. Well, could it be the fact that we dropped our surveillance during the vaccine, during the COVID lockdowns? Is it the COVID itself? Is it the vaccine? Is it both?

But we can't ask any of those questions because the vaccine might get implicated in the process. That's the insanity to me. This is the opposite of science. And that's what, and it's so unusual. You know, it's so unusual because beforehand we would, you know, we could ask these questions, whatever it was. It was legit to have that discussion also among colleagues. But now it's like, no, we can't even go there. And as you said yourself, it could be probably many reasons for.

for that, not only one reason, but many reasons, but let's at least have that discussion and be able to look into the data, have the transparency, which we don't have for now. As you and I both know, humans do not disappoint. They repeat their behavior, and history is a reflection of that. And so I started looking at what happened in Germany post-World War II.

Did they do any period of reflection and how did this happen? Of course, there were people, interestingly, there was a psychologist in this country that started trying to understand how normal Germans could start to behave like that. And you get the, what's the famous study at Yale? I mean, somebody's going to put it out for me. But you get these studies about compliance that sort of show human behavior. But apparently the Germans themselves did not want, they just wanted to put it behind them and move ahead, much so they were doing with COVID. it was until the next generation was born and came in that they started reflecting and looking at things. Is that what it's going to take for us to look at COVID, an entirely new generation to step in?

I think that could be the answer, actually. I think because also you can see why I know journalists talking about this on mainstream medias. And I keep saying once the young ones comes in and hasn't had done anything wrong, you could say, then they will start cross fingers to talk about it. But, you know, it's a long right, you could say. And as a doctor and you yourself, it's so unusual that we're not allowed to talk about facts. We are so filled up with lies upon lies upon lies. And we're not even allowed to ask the questions.

And therefore, as you said, the population should be extremely angry, extremely upset. And lots of mourning for the loss of their families. and so on. So hopefully things are changing. Well, over here, the conversation, as you say, is sort of starting as we're starting to look at the data. But the perpetrators are sort of protected, which I don't really care. I think if you start punishing people, it becomes a tit-for-tat thing. I just want to get to the truth.

And so maybe the truth will be revealed. The problem here is no one will hear about it. We have all this data released by Tulsi Gabbard as she left her job. about Anthony Fauci and the mainstream media is saying, nothing here, nothing to show you. CNN had the long article about this doesn't prove a damn thing. So fine. But I hope what these are in the history books are written,

that something like the truth will emerge. It's so difficult. It is. Part of it, by the way, is that the truth has been under assault for a long time now. This sort of post-structural world we live in denies that there is such a thing as the truth, which I find, frankly, disgusting. But here we are. So were there any surprise?

Oh, I went another question for you about the Danish childhood vaccine schedule. Is there something in my prep for this conversation? I understand that you have something to offer the U.S. audience as it pertains to that. Pardon? I didn't get the last bit. So you have something to offer my audience as it pertains to our childhood schedule as opposed to your childhood schedule. very wise to look into the childhood vaccine program. And I very much agree on what Kennedy is doing and the President Trump is doing in that field.

Because I think when you look into the U.S. program, it's of a great concern that they have be on the first day of life. I mean, the first time I heard about that, I nearly fell off the chair because you should give that vaccine for vulnerable children, you know, where they are at very high risk. But you shouldn't give it to everyone. Why should you? And even more day one. So when we look into the Danish program, we give much less vaccines. We give for much less diseases. We give it as late as possible.

And we never ever or very rarely give cocktails. So if I should kind of wrap it up shortly in the US Childhood Program, which I think should be of great concern is, The amount of vaccines giving at the same time, I think that's very disturbing. I think it's as disturbing as if someone said give a baby a seven different medication at one time. It's as disturbing as that. I don't think you should give the heavy for all children. I think it's literally, I think it's very important to follow side effects.

We follow side effects when we're doing some studies on that. And we can see that for some of the common childhood vaccines, you have serious side effects. You do have hospitalization. You do have reported fatalities. You know, children died from the vaccine. It's very rare, but it's still there. So I think, like in everything else in medicine, you need to look at risk benefit. You need to see what's the risk for the child of having the disease.

What's the risk for the child of having the vaccine? and kind of, you know, look into pros and cons. And the Danish vaccine program, which is literally based on which diseases are so severe, you know, that you risk that, you know, fatalities or severe damage to the child and all that. But it's still important to see also what kind of evidence do we have? Do we have randomized trials, which we don't? Do we follow the side effects closely? Not very well.

And is it transparent? So any parent could look into data, could see, okay, what is the risk in this case? And what about what if the child like a varicella, do you need to have the vaccine in the U.S.? You do actually have some natural immunity in the States? We don't give a varicela a vaccine in Denmark. So I think you should discuss what is to drive for it. Are someone earning loads of money, which I think they are? Is it the care of a child?

Or is it mandating? You spoke about mandating. You should mandate those vaccines. So I think the whole attitude from the Danish program, you could say, is very wise. And it's much less jabs. And as I said before, hardly any and at least not four, five, six cocktails at a time, because that's also interesting. We have access to a very huge amount of reported side effects from Europe and serious side effects from the US of any medication, but also vaccines. And when we look into that material, as I said before, we can see some of the vaccines are worse than others.

but we can also see, as I said, hospitalization and some fatalities. But I think it's so vital talking about transparency that we have access to these data. These are reported side effects. So these are not even the real numbers. These are the tip of the iceberg. So to have like a transparency data set to have randomized trials before introducing the vaccine on the market, to give the child the vaccine, if it's going to have the vaccine, as late as possible. And as I say, all the time, pros and cons for that disease you're talking about.

And my recommendation would certainly be to look much more into the Danish and you could say Scandinavian programs is more or less the same, but look into the Danish program and start the other way around and say, why do we actually give every child happy the first day of life? Yes, vulnerable children, which will be a very small group, that could make sense. But why to everyone? And even before you know the child, you know, because you don't know your child first day of life. So you can't really tell has it been damaged from the vaccine or how has it been damaged.

And when we look at those data, what I'm concerned about is that we can't, you don't have reports on the cocktails. And my expectation would be, and we do have some studies, would be that there could be a cocktail effect negatively. So you have one vaccine with a risk of serious side effects, and you have another one you give at the same time, and it's not one plus one.

It may be one plus one gives three. So it kinds of, you know, have an add-on risk on the child giving it at the same time. It's just something I'm saying. I don't know because we don't have access to those data. But I think it's a wise question, also for parents to ask, well, how will it hurt the child if we give one, two, three, four, five at the time. My expectation as a doctor would be, it's probably not very healthy for a start.

And it probably could be harmful that we don't know. And if we don't know, then you're back to why. What's the risk of the disease? And there you go again. So that's, I would recommend the Danish vaccine program. Yeah, I mean, I don't understand what we have to give the cocktails anyway. And why we mandate anything in health care is the most bizarre notion in the world to me. I mean, people have a right to their bodily integrity.

And the fact that we try to supersede that with public health, that's disgusting. I understand that we need to create motivating influences, but to mandate things. Oh, my God. But in any event, yeah, hepatitis B, I totally agree with you. I was actually involved in some of the early research on that. And we were concerned with vertical transmission in China, where they have a massive problem with chronic hepatitis at the time. Now, maternal mothers with hepatitis,

if you don't know that that's a mother with hepatitis delivering the baby, you would be guilty of malpractice in almost every Western country I can think of. Exactly. And so you know who's got hepatitis. That's right. You know it. And that child gets the hepatitis B vaccine, of course. First, that child gets it.

Everybody else. And literally, I've had friends and patients to have conversation with pediatricians about this vaccine. And the pediatrician will literally say, oh, well, the child could step on a needle. What? The child doesn't walk. Why day one? Why day one? What are you talking about?

This is the most bizarre, bizarre delusion, which leads me to sort of my final question for you, that I think I find myself asking you every time, which is what has happened? What do you imagine happened to our profession? What has gone on here? Is it, is it, have we just, I can't even describe what has happened. It's some sort of mass delusion,

mass psychosis that we've fallen into, and I don't know how it understand it any other way. No, and I think you're right. I keep asking myself the same question. I've done that for now more than six years. And it's like, What happened to my wise colleagues? What happened to all my colleagues who were scientists themselves and knows numbers and facts and what happened?

And I think the only answer is brainwash, you know, a mass psychosis, as you say. It's like, and then everyone is afraid of being outside the group. So if you're not allowed to ask the question, better just stay silent. But it's very disappointing. it's very upsetting. And, you know, I keep trying to find a better answer, but I think it's being afraid and it's the brainwashing part. And I think even doctors can be brainwashed.

But it's very upsetting. And in the end, and that's what upset me most, is that this has caused lives. This has caused families. This has made people alone and they have been fired and they have lost their business. and the disaster, you know, it has been so huge and the damage so huge. So I think that's that's so upsetting.

But we'll find the answer in the end, I suppose. Or the next generation will, I suppose. Or the next generation, yeah. The, you know, the data suggested about 10% of people object during a mass psychosis and go, what's going on, but 20% of really true believers and that 70% that keep silent are the ones that need to be brought on board somehow to start speaking out a little bit of looking at things more realistically because 20% we're never going to get. And I hear our peers talking lately more about something they're calling group think,

which is sort of culty group think stuff, which we are prone to as physicians. So maybe we're even more prone than the journal public. I don't know. But then we need to get the move to our group. We're going to address our group. Yes, just pursue the truth, everybody. That's all we're asking for. Just be willing and interested in pursuing the truth,

let the chips fall where they may. That's it. Just like we always used to. And have a discussion. You know, I'm even like, let's discuss the data. Let's look at the data together. But when we're not even allowed to have the discussion, how on earth can we move forward?

Crazy. Dr. Manika, thank you so much for your work. And thank you for joining us, as always. We'll talk to you again soon. Thank you for having me. Thank you. And have a lovely summer. You bet.

Thank you. You as well. All right. Now we're going to talk about the folks that were around during all the mandates and whatnot, how that went down. We are, let me get you the specifics here. Dr. Michael, excuse me, Michael Pack. He's the president CEO of Palladium Pictures LLC. It's an independent film company.

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Michael, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Good to be on your show. Let me ask you this. Did you have any sense of what you were getting into in terms of what happened for these professionals that you're talked to in this documentary? Did you kind of have a sense what was happening? Or was it all shocking to you?

I had a sense, but it was still shocking. So this is the last, latest in our series of documentaries with the Wall Street Journal opinion section. There are partners. and they were really ahead of the curve. They published Jay Buttigari, Scott Atlas, and others as early as March of 2020, and editorials in support of them. And so they're a columnist that was our person on this, that was our reporter on this piece, James Toronto.

He knew a lot about it. So I was a little warned, and I had met Jay at an event in Washington. But in spite of all that, it was still shocking. I thought I knew, but the extent of it is shocking. And I think the film tries to tell the whole story, not to just make some points about it or advocate a position. And when you hear it all in context, starting in December and Wuhan and going through the Biden administration, it's really compelling as a story. And it makes clear that the COVID lockdowns were the biggest, vastest social experiment done in the U.S. and in the world in the last 10 years, if not longer. and a huge disaster, and we haven't really come to terms of it even yet.

People want to move on, forget about it, go about their lives, I understand that impulse. But if we don't learn from it, we will make those same mistakes again. And that's the point of the film. Oh, my God. Yes, we've got it. People want sort of retribution and whatnot. I just want the truth so we can look at this in an unfornished fashion and try to make sure it doesn't happen. Or at least be able to point at something to say, hey, don't do that.

We did that before. But, you know, one of the sort of the through line, the through line isn't quite the way, the right word, but the way it went down for me, having talked to all these players, we were talking to everybody in real time because I was like, something is very wrong. And we still didn't know the whole story. We didn't know about the censorship and the Twitter file, all these things that sort of slowly came out. We were all just kind of like, what is going on here? How is this happening?

It was shocking. But it sort of, the truth sort of came out slowly. One thing I saw was we had this sort of, I don't know if you chronicle this. I'm dying to watch your documentary. By the way, where do we see it? Well, you can get it for free, even though it's on the Wall Street Journal website. It's outside of their paywall. You can just search for it on their YouTube page or WSJ.com or go to WSJ.com slash opinion docs.

And you can see all three of the ones we've done so far. Or to our website, palladiumpictures.com, any of them. All right. So it's about a half hour, so it's not that long. Okay. It's only, you know, it won't take long. Do you, do you stream it or download it or either? Stream it.

Okay. It's only 30 minutes. One thing that we, I'm going to, believe me, I'm going to watch it. And this audience is very interested in this stuff. So I promise you there'll be a lot of views here. Guys don't let me down on this. One thing that we saw sort of in looking at this carefully was that there was this pandemic industrial complex preparing itself for the next pandemic.

And it was very cozy with the Chinese scientist. And very much the center of gravity of sort of medical research had shifted over to China. I was there sort of when this was all happening. And there was a deep sense of trust on part of our scientists of the Chinese scientists. No sense of what this system was over there. We were completely naive to it. So when the Wuhan people said that we locked it down, we've taken care of the virus, it went from this to this, which was a complete and total lie to sort of essentially impress the local Soviets, communists, essentially. That's actually what was happening. We went, oh my God, that's what we got to do. Look how great they are what they do here. And then Italy was, which is such a vastly different system and a vastly different population of elderly people. They did it. and that was it. That was enough to trigger us to go, now we got to do this. Is that kind of how it went down?

Yes. I mean, so we stick in our film to this story of well-known facts, and that is a good example, rather than any really uncovered secret facts, because the surface is clear enough. And we do begin with Wuhan and they're locked down. And they lock down in a way, I mean, the images are really shocking. I remember them vaguely from the time, but, you know, people being, being welded into their apartments and locked in and rounded up on the street and hauled off to detention centers. They locked down in the way that only a totalitarian communist country could. And you are quite right, Drew. The WHO went there and certified it as a great success.

It was certified. Who wouldn't trust the WHO? And that is what started it. And that was, as you well know, it began a process of total lockdown, something had never been done in human history whenever there had been a pandemic. The tradition was. Not had never been done. Not had never been done.

That pandemic industrial complex rejected it as an option because it had been done once. And it had been done once in like the 11th century during one of the plagues. And it was a catastrophe because catastrophe. It really killed lots of people. But no, no, we're going to do it. So crazy because the communists did it. Although the plague, it makes more sense for the plague than COVID, but not for either. Yeah.

Because, but the, yeah, so we start with that and then we, you know, and the fact is, as your listeners, probably, viewers probably remember, Jay Batacharya by March had done the Santa Clara study and found out all enough data. So it's enough to think, you could say maybe try lockdowns in the very beginning, but, you know, January, February. But by March, the data was there. And as you say, it's not just that Fauci, Berks and others ignored it. They suppressed it. So our family has two parts. You uncover the looking at the data and who was right about lockdowns and the data now, which is much clearer in retrospect than it even was at the time.

And then what happened to these people, which, as you correctly said, came out later during the Twitter files and their various lawsuits. And that's shocking too. I mean, it's shocking on both sides. Even were these dissidents, J. Budashara, Scott Atlas and others, even were they wrong, they shouldn't have been sent. I mean, the point really is science requires debate. Just as you were saying in the last segment, we need to argue about it and discuss it. So to shut down views is, look, I'm a very much a free speech advocate. It's important for all of us, but it's especially important in science.

And they shut it down. And the government acted to shut it down. You know, it's clear enough from the Twitter files and lawsuits, they pressured social media companies to de-boost and de-platform these guys. views. So it's a shocking thing. And I think one of the things we try to do, I've made 15 films over many years, most of them are on PBS, because my goal is to not necessarily reach the people who already know these things, which would be you in your audience, although I encourage your audience to watch anyway. But the people who haven't heard it, for whom it's news. I live in Chevy Chase, Maryland, the very blue part of town. And all my neighbors said, thank you, Dr. Fauci signs on

their lawn. And they still admire Dr. Fauci. think he saved lives. They think he's a hero who wrote a book. You know, so they, it's, it's maybe not, as you were saying earlier in another segment, the 20% you'll never get, but there's still that 70% or whatever number it is in the middle that, and they haven't really heard it. They haven't heard it put together as a story. When you just walk through what happened and the data, it's compelling enough. You don't have to really push it. And it's shocking enough. And so that's what we hope to do. Let me play a clip from your documentary.

This is our friend Jay Bonachari, which, by the way, when he, we were interviewed, I interviewed him several times. The first time I interviewed him, I'll never forget. I was thinking, my God, this is the guy they canceled? This guy? Why in the world? He's a consummate human being and professional. He's got so much to offer. We should be mining him for more.

Maybe he's right. Maybe he's wrong. But you silence that guy. When he said, he told me he was going to be being considered for NIH, I really, for a second, thought I was in a Shakespearean drama. I was like, oh, this is, this is, this is like, oh, this is a, I can't believe it. We're finally okay here. But more work to be done.

Let's look at the clip from the, the, the, the, almost from the beginning of the Biden administration, they weaponized government, aiming to control the speech around the treatment for COVID, the effectiveness of lockdowns, the harms of lockdowns, school closures, masks, you name it. high government officials, including inside the White House itself, would go to social media companies and threaten them telling the social media companies who and what to censor. Yeah, and he stays so even and calm when he's talking about this stuff, even to this day. To me, my blood pressure starts going up immediately when I start to hear about it. It's so crazy. But is there something that needs to be done more formally as it pertains to a government,

Our government, the constitutional government, this is not my phone going off. I don't know what that is. The constitutional government taking away our fundamental rights and privileges. I mean, this is, you know, you said you're a free speech advocate. I didn't know I had to defend my speech. That is becoming, that's a new idea for me that I have to make, make sure my speech is protected. But the fact that the government had no issue stepping in and taking that away, don't we need some sort of Nuremberg-style something

to get a reckoning with this? Well, I think a couple of things about that. Scott Atlas says in our film, echoing what you just said, that the government took away our unalienable rights, so they're not unalienable anymore. This is the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence where those rights were,

the theory of those rights were laid out, and shortly later they were enumerated in the Bill of Rights. And we, on the behest of the government, gave up our freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, churches were closed. And Americans didn't protest. You know, we didn't, we weren't, the only, it was, according to government scientists, okay to protest BLM, but it was not okay to protest COVID. But there weren't protests. There weren't mass protests. And we, as a people, have to be more jealous of a rights.

We have those rights given to us by God. government is there to protect them. And if they fail to do that, it's up to us to stop them. But on the other hand, I was in the first Trump administration. I know what it's like to battle the administrative state. I, too, celebrated when Jay was appointed to head the NIH, but it's hard to reform these places like the NIH, the CDC, and all government agencies. It takes a lot of time.

People like Anthony Fauci had 40 years to burrow in, stack the place with his acolytes and former deputies. and to develop deep connections with the media, with members of Congress, you know, with legal interest groups. And so it's very hard to crack that. It's hard, but we should persist in trying to do it. And I believe that we should continue to uncover the truth. I salute what Rand Paul is doing and try and uncover things that Dr. Fauci may have covered up. Those are the only things we can do. And I do believe that documentaries like mine and programs like yours that get the truth out and try and,

try to reach people are vitally important. I wish there were a simple bullet, simple answer, but that's it. Yeah, I know. We just got to keep going, I guess. But I think staying focused on our First Amendment rights and defending them at all costs, just knowing that we have to do that is something. I keep coming across Francis Collins whenever I'm looking at some of the more nefarious decisions and behaviors. Did you come across him in the course of the lockdown dissidents? Well, of course, as you know, Jay Wadichario, with two other scientists, Martin Koldor from Harvard and Sinaitra Gupta from Oxford, wrote the Great Barrington Declaration in the fall of 2020. And almost immediately, Francis Collins, who was then the head of the NIH, wrote to Anthony Fauci saying these are fringe epidemiologists, even though they came from those distinguished institutions and had great backgrounds and there needed to be a devastating takedown. not an open discussion, not let's bring them in and air it all out.

Let's have a devastating take town. And that is what happened. They were attacked in the media, death threats. Scott Atlas says when he went back to Stanford, he had to hire his own security. He was of the death threats. I mean, so, yes, he's there. They're all there. We have Scott Atlas and Robert Redfield was then the head of the CDC talking about how that worked

inside the administration. And you can point to these leaders, but I believe that the rot in those agencies goes pretty far down. But surely Francis Collins was part of it. Ouchie, Deborah Birx, they were all part of it. Robert Redfield tells the story in the film at the first COVID Task Force meeting,

the president spoke, and maybe Alex Azar spoke, and he spoke, and then Dr. Fauci spoke. And when Dr. Fauci spoke, he said, Well, I'm the expert. You know, if I any questions about COVID, come to me. And Robert Redfield said to him afterwards, what do you mean, Tony? I'm the head of the CDC.

You run a lab at the NIH. And as you know, there are hundreds of labs at the NIH. You know, what is going on here? But it was really an amazing seizure of power, a brilliant political move, really, on Tony Fauci's part, from that low position to have assumed so much power, at least Francis Collins was the head of the NIH, you know? So Fauci, it was an amazing thing. And they were able to sideline the president of the United States for a long time.

As Scott Atlas says, he was suspicious of what they were going. And they were, it was really unable to beat it down. I don't think that would happen to him in the second term. But it happened to him now. No, I agree. Oh, my gosh. I get so, you know, crestfallen, exhausted. But we must press on and continue to raise.

the awareness. I'm so glad you're doing this. I heard you before the, you came on camera here talking about how don't mistake Wall Street Journal for the Wall Street Journal opinion section. Can you tell us a little bit about that and why? Because people might raise a few eyebrows. Wall Street Journal is going to allow you to put the lockdown dissidents in there? Well, it is true that we've gotten a lot of responses from people who do not believe the Wall Street Journal was, you know, could think they were late in coming to this issue. But the fact is the opinion section, which has a different point of view than the news section, the news section more typical of the mainstream media in general, the Washington Post or the New York Times.

The opinion section, I see you're running those headlines, and that is good. They gave a voice to Jay Butichari and Scott Atlas as early as March, as soon as the Santa Clara study came out and throughout COVID and wrote editorials in support of their position. So people may be surprised, but they should certainly differentiate between the Wall Street Journal opinion section, my partners, and the news section. And the Wall Street Journal section was courageous and ahead of the curve on this. And people should give them credit. I'm actually glad we're making this distinction because I had thought that as the pandemic was unfolding. And then I saw some news stories that were like different that disturbed me. And I

couldn't, I couldn't reconcile it. But now I get there is a difference from what the opinion section was doing and what maybe the news section was doing. Well, listen, Michael, where do you want people to go, say it again, to find you and to get the documentary. We've got to get out there and support it. Where should we go? Well, you can get our material, including this one, at palladiumpictures.com, but it's probably best to go to WSJ.com slash opinion docs. You can see all three of the opinion docs we've made, and we have several coming out. Or if you just search for lockdown dissidents on the Wall Street Journal YouTube page or main page, you will get there. It's about 37 minutes. It's free, not behind their paywall.

I recommend, even if you think you now, it's sort of moving, really, to hear the whole story. And I particularly beseech your viewers and listeners to get people who maybe don't agree with them to watch it. Yes, yes. Get it on planes and stuff, too. Get it all over the place. People go, oh, this is interesting. We're the unsuspecting fall upon it and get educated as a result. Thank you, Michael.

Appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon, I hope. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. You bet. Thank you. All right, we're going to switch gears a little bit.

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Rand, welcome. Hey, Dr. Drew. Look at us. Look at us. Here we are. I didn't know you were into gummies. I didn't know you were into gummies. I'm not only into gummies.

I spoke to the woman that did most of the, the research on this product who convinced me to double down. She triples down. I'm going to double down on the product. She eats the gummies in the evening. So I'm picking that up myself. Just don't inject oil in the vein. Okay. No, no, don't inject anything in the veins. Seven years ago, I was working with this chain of schools called Learn for Life. And they are charter schools, which is a horrible word. And they're also called community schools. And I was just doing some interviews and interviewing some of their students. I realized they've just had incredible stories. And so I pitched the school to do a documentary, a short one about some of their students.

And right in the middle of that, COVID happened. And I sense a theme going with your show today. So if you want to concentrate on what happened during COVID, we can. But what I took away from the movie is that I was actually one of these kids growing up. I was very troubled. I had a rough sort of family life, a lot of trauma. And it became very difficult to concentrate in school and just to do my daily work because of everything I was dealing with outside of school. So I connected with those kids so much. And everything that they went through, one of our kids was having a child.

One of our students with Jasmine right there is homeless. And then another one of our students was tragically killed during the filming of the movie and it was during COVID when he should have been at school. And that sort of set the film off to become an official kind of narrative documentary. And by the way, thank you for participating and giving your side during COVID. It was five years ago exactly. I think that you did that interview. Can't believe it. Wild. Crazy. In fact, I have something. Can I ask Dr. Drew something because you, when we filmed this interview five years ago, you warn that the real consequences to eight to 15-year-olds

would from COVID would fully emerge in about five years. Where do you think, where does that stand now? Well, it's funny you'd bring it up today. I was talking to a young person yesterday about it, an 18-year-old. And I said, what do you see? I asked exactly this question. I said, you know, you were in middle school during all this stuff. You're right in the middle age of what I predicted have been heard.

And he said kids that were good students became impaired and had trouble functioning at school. Their cognitive development was significantly harmed. And their emotional development was this is exactly what I predicted. He said something akin to they don't know how to make friends. And I thought, oh, perfect. They just don't know how to socialize. And then we're seeing it in their romantic lives as well, where they're just given up. They just can't do it.

They don't have the skill set necessarily. So it's happening. And I also, I hope I said at the time, I want them to be pissed. They should be furious about this because this was foisted on them for no reason, for no good reason whatsoever. And it hurts them. And there were others predicting primarily the cognitive impact because schooling was sort of barely going on.

But yeah, now we're going to have to do the study. to measure it. No one's done that yet. Might not. Yeah. Yeah, you had also mentioned, you know, because we talked a lot about trauma and I just, these kids have it up to their eyeballs and I believe you said something like,

you know, trauma isn't a behavioral problem. It's a mental health problem. Is that accurate? I believe that was a quote for me. Yeah. It was something like that because I say that all the time. Like these things aren't parenting problems. This is mental illness. This is a mental illness.

This is something needs to be treated. And you mentioned having trouble concentrating another dirty little secret in mental health that never gets discussed is that one of the most significant contributors or causes of ADD ADHD is trauma. And no one ever does that. They just slap the kids on a stimulant. Nobody ever talks about treating the trauma underlying it. I've been diagnosed. I have ADHD. I mean, yes, I'm a pure, I'm a perfect example. Yeah. And trauma is the underlying mechanism. How did you get through your trauma? Man, I had so much, Drew.

My mother and my sister died in a car accident when I was 16. That forced me into drugs. I was physically abused, sexually abused. And I think, you know, from the ages of 17 to 27, I was killing myself. I mean, and it just one day had enough. And I started to get help. I went through the process. I got a therapist.

I went to a recovery program, got sober. It's a lot of work, man. And working with these kids, you know, these at-risk kids in, you know, these barrios of San Diego and all over the country, you know, it's just like me. You know, they can't go to school. Sometimes they have jobs. They have to, like, support their family. Sometimes they'll have children. They just oftentimes haven't had the education in their own.

own household to take to school, to be a functioning person. And what I love about the school that I work with is they offer wraparound services. And so like you see in this clip here, that's Tony and Juan together. I'm going to stop you. I hate the term wrap around services. I know. It's a euphemism that is so mischaracterizes what the kids need. Let's call it what it has always been. psychiatric care. Psychiatric care. There's psychiatric care. There's psychiatric care.

Mental health services. Rapparant services. Orthopedic patients don't get wraparound services. Psychiatric patients get right wraparound services. Period. That's it. Yeah. What I mentioned this.

No, it's okay. You mentioned the same thing in our interview. And I would agree with you. I mean, why not doctors and psychiatrists included on all of these wraparound services? I feel like the wraparound services that the kids in the film get, are beneficial, but I do agree with you that psychiatry needs to be a huge part of that, right? I mean, counseling.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying that the care has to be delivered by psychiatry. What I'm saying is, this is mental illness. This is mental health problems. And mental health, back in psychiatric hospitals, we'd have the psychiatrist, the psychologist, the social worker, the occupational therapist, the vocational therapist, that's wrap around services. Getting the patient, the level of care they need for their. mental health condition. It's done in the setting of psychiatry, not in the setting of infectious

disease or orthopedics, is what I'm saying. And the fact that, you know, wrap around services become something that is really synonymous with social services. It's a gigantic mistake. Gigantic mistake. For the nomoclature, do you think they just need a new name for it? It's it's it's it's we can't call mental health facility psychiatric hospitals anymore. We just got to call these things what they are. They are brain disorders caused by environmental phenomenon and, you know, other conditions. And they need full comprehensive care. We should call it.

I would settle for comprehensive care. I would settle for that because it's not such an adulteration of the, yeah. Anyway, sorry. Keep going. But let me ask this before I get up my. Did the community schools make a difference as compared to the general pop? say? Well, I mean, this goes with the other issue that I learned is, you know, public schools are primarily funded by property taxes. And, you know, if you live in a wealthy area, you're going to have

a nice school with lots of resources and maybe great counselors and great teachers. And the exact opposite is true of, you know, low-income neighborhoods. They just don't have the resources in order for them to do what they need to do, right? So the school that I worked with is amazing. I think it's one of the most incredible schools for at-risk kids I've ever seen. I don't know if you can compare it to a traditional school that's well-funded,

but Learn for Life is doing some great work and some innovative work that I haven't seen done with children before. Is it a model that can translate to other communities? Yes. Yeah, they concentrate heavy on social emotional learning, right? It's sort of a holistic, sort of taking care of the, you know what this is, right? And I think that could go in any school, you know? I mean, like any public school, any school at all, there's going to be that kid, whether he's doing well or not, that just can't learn like the rest of us. And that's, I think that's just so true. Another thing you mentioned in your interview is the systems, they've just gotten too big. They can't, they can't help, you know, every single person in the same way. And that's something I would like to see improved upon to get help, unique, focused help to every student individually

and not just this kind of broad approach. You know, one thing is good for everyone, right? Yeah, sort of McDonald's education as opposed to something personalized. Yeah. So where can people see the documentary? Who do you want to watch? It seems like everybody needs to watch this. Yeah, this is not an opinion documentary.

I'm the director. It was really important for me not to cast my own opinion. I don't narrate the thing. It's really just an invitation to look at these kids and what they're going through and how that relates to our public health and our education systems. You can rent it on prime video right now

or you can watch it for free on Tooby and Plex and documentary now. And Drew, you're the first. demand it. I appreciate it. I'm happy to promote it, man. I'm so glad you did this. But what's the sort of, is there a headline that you took away from this? Yes. One caring adult can change everything. Everything. Mentors. Mentors are so important. So important. I hope I said that in the interview. I don't remember if I did, but there's there's ample data that shows that a single sustained relationship. with an adult, a single sustained, beginning at age eight, ideally, beginning at age eight, and sustained through time dramatically affects outcome.

That's what I found. That is the most important thing out of all the discoveries I made. Thanks, Drew. Good for you. Rand, thank you for me, let me be a part of this. And thank you for doing this documentary. We'll look forward to Tubi and we'll go rent it. Thank you, Drew.

You got it. We have a caller in the line. Caleb, shall we go to calls? We have time for that? Are we running out here? Sure. I got a few minutes.

Yeah, go ahead. All right. This is William. I'll give him a chance to come up. Hi, William, go ahead. Hey, man. Hi, it's Cheezy in Jersey.

Choozy Heretics, Choose Carnation Revolution now. And you know me as Exile the Knights of Malta now in the chat. It's been a long time of the meaning to call in. Staying on topic with the educational vein, I would mention Lyndon B. Johnson's entitlements and exemptions to the Jesuit order, which would sold to the public as revamping education, but the truth couldn't be further away. they left us all sitting ducks and recovering professionals having been chasing delusions

instead of historically proven solid principle. What was your profession? I'm a retired physical therapist. Interesting. And so you're saying that just the educational system is broken and organizations like the Jesuits and their approach has always worked and we should be relying on things like that again. Yeah, we shouldn't be relying on that again. And in fact, you know, Nelson Rockefeller went out, Mr. Good Looking to sell it for Lyndon B. Johnson,

who was still, you know, dealing with the assassination of JFK. and Mr. Good Looking Nelson Rockefeller stood up and sold it as, oh, we're going to revamp education. Just you wait and see. But look at what those entitlements and exemptions to the Jesuits did. It just handed all the reins over the domination of everything and set us up for what we're in right now, in terms of the blank check, the cost of it is incalculable beyond money. Thank you, Williams.

I appreciate your input. We are out of time. However, can you, Caleb, for me, throw up the upcoming guests. I want to get Emily's note about them. We have Joel Kotkin, who's the misuse of fascism and continuing propaganda. We have Damon Nichols, West Memphis 3. McCullough is coming back.

And Frank Minter, cool heroes for boys. He's representing that. Mike, Situation Sorrentino from Jersey Shores. His recovery has been Nick Fright is coming in. I mean, Michael's recovery has been really inspirational. Caleb, anything on your front there? We're going to go back to our usual time zones. We'll be 2 o'clock on Tuesday.

and of course 4 o'clock on Wednesday and 2 o'clock on Thursday. I don't see anything else sort of out of the ordinary coming in. We are going to go down to Washington, D.C. to see Bill Maher receive his Mark Train Award. Mark Twain Award at the Kennedy Center.

So that's going to be really fun. I support him fully. And he is someone also interested in the truth. That's a lot of what we've been talking about today. And the pursuit of the truth, if somebody is systematically interested in the truth, changing their opinions based on the truth. I am supporting them.

Caleb, anything on your radar? Nope. We have a big, exciting week coming up next week. There's a lot of really good guests. Excited for that. Yes, I agree. All right. We will see you then Tuesday at 2 o'clock.

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