Ask Dr. Drew - Beatrice Rosen on France: Woke Politics Pioneers Now REJECT Le Wokisme… WTF Changed? – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 453

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

“Le wokisme, which the French love to hate, traces its intellectual genealogy back to 1960s French intellectuals,” writes Politico, “…who analyzed and ‘deconstructed’ the language and the symbolism of power, kickstarting a global campus movement.” So why are the French people now rejecting identity politics en masse? One reason could be found in French law: “Unlike in the United States, where people are commonly asked to self-identify as a given ethnicity, such questions are illegal in France and are seen as a form of racism.” Could similar laws repair the damage of identity politics and woke racism in the United States? Beatrice Rosen is a French-American actress known for roles in major films including The Dark Knight (2008) and Chasing Liberty (2004). She has appeared in numerous television series including Charmed, Smallville, Harry’s Law, and Backstrom. A former brand ambassador for luxury house Lancel, Rosen has worked extensively in the US, UK, and French entertainment industries since 2004. Follow her at https://instagram.com/beatrice_rosen and https://x.com/beatrice_rosen 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

well today should be a very interesting conversation we appreciate you all being here by watching you on the restream uh chat as well as the rumble rants uh beatrice rosen she's a franco-american actress known for major film roles including in the dark knight chasing liberty she's appeared numerous television series charm smallville harry's law to name just a few. You can follow her on Instagram at Beatrice underscore Rosen, R-O-S-E-N, same on X, Beatrice underscore Rosen. And I ran into her on a French radio

broadcast, and I thought, I need to interview her. She has a lot to say. She's got her ear to the ground. She lives in both worlds, America and Europe, and she has interesting insights and is paying attention to what is going on in both countries and the relationship between and amongst these so-called continental organizations. Something is going on. We're going to get to the bottom of it.

We're going to give you the history of it. I've been wanting to have a conversation like this for quite some time. It should be very interesting. We'll be with Beatrice Rosen right after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media

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Those of you that remember the history of this show, we were sitting here in our home in the darker hours of COVID and Susan and Caleb said, why don't you do something here? You got a lot to say about what's going on right now. Maybe we should do a streaming show, which they put together.

And I kept saying over and over again throughout that whole period, like I felt that I was in the French underground broadcasting out to the world in a clandestine fashion and offering information about something you weren't supposed to speak on because i'd already been canceled and then we sort

of graduated over to talking to other clinicians who have been who had been canceled at that time those people included dr jay badacharya from stan, who now in a Shakespearean turn of events will be the head of the NIH. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., we spoke to him a couple of times, who is going to be our new HHS secretary. And if you remember, back first time I spoke to Robert Kennedy, he said, my goodness, you're so courageous to talk to me. And I thought, what the F is going on here that a doctor and a lawyer talking on a digital platform you need courage to have a conversation this is a there's something horrible going on and now we have the usa id financial scandal uh sort of unexposed and

you can now start to follow the money and see who was doing all this slamming down of our First Amendment rights, and who was infecting other countries with some of this nonsense. And one of those countries was France. I've been listening, because of all the mob behavior during COVID, I got very interested in the French Revolution and mob action and Le Bon, his book about, I've been doing a lot of reading about mob behavior. And then we, as you know, we talked to Matthias Desmet about mass formation and Dr. Cariotti. And so we've been focused on this, but 1790 became a focus of my affection for a while because of what happened there in that time. And so I started watching French.

I started watching what's going on there. And they, for the last year, have been saying, what is up with this wokeism? Where did this come from? What is going on? Ah, well, guess what? You look no further than USAID.

That's where it came from. But it's taken roots there. And Beatrice Rosen, as I said, is an actress. She's well- known for major films chasing liberty dark night multiple television experiences instagram beatrice underscore rosen r-o-s-e-n and beatrice underscore rosen on x beatrice appreciate oh there she is we really appreciate you being here and i want to get your thoughts um thank you i know it's late there in france but we appreciate it thanks for having me what a crazy time to be alive seriously like we're we're in a in crazy town

well that was what by the way who is andre burkoff i i was he was he hosts this radio show that you were on that i saw you on and he's, I just like listening to him because he's very provocative. Is he known over there? Yeah. He's a very famous French journalist, very popular. And he's one of the only, uh,

journalists who wasn't, uh, following the, the legacy media, you know, store narratives. And, and he was very brave during,

during all the all the recent crisis that we've experienced. And he, at the beginning, I think maybe this was attracting me to it, at the beginning of his show, he plays old footage from the French underground. The Carotte Sonquit. Like, oh, this is me.

I've been doing this for a few years here. And so I got very, and I saw you. Well, you were on there spitting fire. And so let's go, let's start. I mean, I think one of the most interesting things that you had mentioned to me that's happening right now for you is this silencing of a talk show,

which is something that, again, near and dear to my heart that I was, you know, media was silenced for years during COVID, but it's still going on there. So tell me what happened. So basically I'm on this talk show with this very famous talk show host, who's a big star in France.

And his name is Cyril Anouna. And basically he was um orchestrating debates on television and he was letting you know all sides of the story uh being you know he everybody was able to talk on his show and apparently it um sort of pissed off some very powerful people. And now the whole network is being shut down. Basically at the end of this month, this network called Seyrit is it's, it's over.

It's done. Like you've never seen something this crazy in a democratic country. Like it's, it's insane. So the show, we don't know yet what the show will, where it will go, if it will continue or not. I mean, it's insane.

Well, you know what you need to do? A little advice here. You can do the same thing we did over here, which is start digital platforms and streaming shows and put them up. And you will destroy the media you will destroy because people will be pissed at this they'll want to hear things that they want to hear they want to they want to hang out with you and hear your ideas and they will they will leave the legacy media that that's what's happening here it's coming down like crazy

because of the same kind of stuff yeah he'll probably do something like that. He's a crazy personality, larger than life. I mean, every single day, there's over 2.5 million people watching his show. This is like the number one talk show in the country that they're shutting down. So it's absolutely insane. I mean, it's super successful. It's not, you know, a little underground show. It's a major show. And so who do we lay the blame at the feet of? Is it Macron? Is it Behrouz?

Is it, where is this coming from? Is it the blob, as we call it over here, just some bureaucratic nonsense? Right, it's bureaucratic nonsense. But as you guys are seeing with the USAID scandal, all these little agencies and committees and organizations are being created to basically take the responsibility, take the blame and cover the transparency of it all. In my opinion, and that's only my opinion, I think the president is behind this decision. Because the show was getting a little, I think, dangerous for the powers that be.

And to that point, I think I was was already watching listening to french radio i think at this point but i but the the elections to me uh that ended up in this tripartite split in your national assembly was mystifying to me because it it looked like marie le pen had it locked up and then they go no sorry we're gonna do it again we're gonna we didn't like the outcome we're gonna because it looked like Marie Le Pen had it locked up. And then they go, no, sorry, we're going to do it again. We didn't like the outcome. We're going to run it again.

And Mélenchon got in there. Oh, look at this. What is this, Caleb? Oh, I'm just showing on screen a report about why people can't watch the show in France on Rumble right now because France basically is banned rumble because they wouldn't shut down certain accounts that they wanted them to censor and rumble's like

no that's that's against our whole mandate here so you can't watch us watch this show none of her french fans can watch this show in france unless they have a vpn of course on rumble yeah on rumble but they're watching on youtube and YouTube and X and whatnot. But let's help people understand. I couldn't understand what happened there. And it felt like Mélenchon did some weird horse trading that sort of undermined Marie Le Pen and what the people wanted, it seemed like. Okay, so basically there were three different votes and none of them were won by the president's party okay um melancholy as you said um and the second round of um that third vote basically he made an alliance with the presidential party and so they over sort of overcame Marine Le Pen, but not really.

I mean, basically the, the presidential party lost every single election, all those three elections. And yet they are still there. That's the magic of it. Like they just stayed in power. So really we're, we're, France is going through a really rough time. I think it's really counterproductive because people are very angry um and the anger is growing and growing every day and that's why i think it's nourishing all this um censorship like you you just said rumble is censored uh

sewit that the network i was talking about is censored some talk shows are censored they want to censor x i mean they're panicking basically they're panicking and they don't control the narrative anymore it seems like and they're in total panic and their only way to go is just to censor everyone and it's and it's insane and it cannot end well unfortunately close to happening here yeah uh is g is is there any i guess things are not you know politically things are so weirdly divided there there's there's no talk of leaving the european, is there? So that's a totally taboo topic on the legacy media. You can't even mention it. I mean, it's just like, it doesn't even exist. And a lot of people wouldn't want that. Of course, there's a propaganda telling people that if you leave the EU, then, you know,

like, I don't know, it's the end of the world and we're all going to die and disappear and horrible things will happen. Yeah, it's totally taboo. So you even during the presidential debates or any election debates, you can't even, it's not even a topic that you can talk about. It's just absolutely insane because we're in a situation where France doesn't have its sovereignty anymore. Everything was given to Brussels and the European Parliament and Commission. And we're sort of like in submission under Germany. And it's a major problem right now. It's a major problem.

And to me, it's really the biggest problem. And nobody can talk about it. Well, I hear hints of it. I hear hints of it when I hear people talk. It's just little sort of complaints about Germany is what I'm hearing. And I started thinking about this when the movie Napoleon came out. I watched that film and I went,

well, that didn't happen. So I'm going to go find out what did happen. Whatever this is, is not the history. So I started looking into it and I started listening to some French historians. And in the course of it, I started hearing them saying in their more recent lectures, you know, Napoleon is part of who we are. And we need to start figuring out what it is even to be French and to embrace our history, not to wall off parts of it because he had a misstep in Guadeloupe. You know, it's like, yeah, that was not good. But you can't cancel our history.

And oh, by the way, what is French anymore? And I thought, oh, it's immigration is gonna be a big issue here too. So I thought, oh, this is coming. Something like what happened in this country is about to happen there. Yeah, we have a major identity crisis. In the past decades, people were, like you couldn't even have a French flag. Like if you had a French flag on, you know, at your door on the street, you would be called a racist. made feel guilty about everything, about our history, about our colonies. It doesn't mean

that we need to embrace, you know, and say that everything we've ever done is great, but we need to embrace who we are and just, you know, know who we are as a people, as a country, and we don't anymore. And that's really the root of a lot of, of issues right now. And, um, and with the woke, uh, movement, I know you want to talk about that later, but with the woke movement, it also makes everybody feel guilty about, in a way it's sort of, um, a paradox because it said, you know, the woke movement is about accepting and tolerance and, and, but in the end it's about self hatred. And so that's, there's something wrong with that. Well, it's also, it's also sort of

primitive in a way, because I, I, again, I, I'm no expert in this, but I was listening to one of these lectures and this guy was saying you know we cancel Napoleon because of what happened in Guadalupe but the reality is he freed all the slaves in the West Indies the French West Indies and you

have to remember that sugar was like oil back then he had to figure out a way to control the sugar and in Guadalupe there was an uprising was like oil back then. He had to figure out a way to control the sugar. And in Guadeloupe, there was an uprising, a slave uprising that he put down because it was a royalist uprising. He had no choice but to put that down. And then was condemned.

So if you knew your history, you'd go, oh, it's horrible, but that's what he had to do. And he freed everyone everywhere else before we got to it you know and so do you have french have to hate themselves because of that also the problem is people are confusing everything um i think france and and america France and America have very different histories and totally different. I mean, France abolished slavery in 1794 for the first time. Then Napoleon Bonaparte reinstated it.

And then again in 1848, it was, you know, definitely abolished for good. And just our countries are totally different. And I think sometimes people take concepts and apply them to different countries with different histories. And it just doesn't work. And we need to stop to do that. The Americans need to stop to do that.

The French people usually import a lot of American concepts and forget that our histories are totally different. So we need to really stop doing that. And we need to look at our histories in a very realistic way, pragmatic way, which is, I think, what you're getting at. And, you know, and yeah, we need to accept that we made mistakes, that some things were horrible, but they're also sometimes taken out of context. And we're taking our, you know, 20, 25 glasses to look at a situation that was in the 1800s or whatever. So that doesn't work as well. And we just need to learn from our mistakes but just move forward and stop feeling guilty about what our ancestors did

because we're not responsible. It's extra weird in this country. It's extra weird in this country because I feel guilty about something this country did even during the time in which my ancestors were in the ukraine trying to run away from the bolsheviks you know it's like that it's it's so so it's mind-bending a little bit but anyway so so let's talk about the wokeism we're going to dig a little bit into the history before the break and then get more into the present day but i was aware early on that the french post-structuralist had gotten an unusual foothold in this country and i actually heard a french philosopher in about 10 years ago going

i don't understand why you were so interested in these they have no they were not good they were not they had no utility. They didn't help us understand the human experience or reality any better. We have no use for them in France. And you are stuck with them and you've got preoccupied with them in Canada too. And that kind of moved forward

into this post-structural world that got captured by the critical theory, which was invented by a bunch of Marxist attorney in Connecticut. Do you say the evolution goes back even further? Yes. I dedicated a whole episode of my own podcast to the woke movement. And I invited this guest who wrote a book about woke capitalism. So he's sort of an expert and he went way back. And his theory is that the woke movement starts actually in 1926.

And actually, France has not fathered that movement. It was actually from an Italian philosopher called Antonio Gramsci. And also from the Frankfurt School of Philosophy, this German philosopher called Marcuse. They came up, they were all Marxists, by the way, Gramsci and Marcuse, and they came up with the beginning of this whole concept and the concept of repressive tolerance, their theory is that to liberate tolerance, then you need to be intolerant against all the movements from the right and toleration of movements from the left. So it sort of explains why you know cancel culture where all that comes

from um because wokeism is a movement that says you know you need to be tolerant you need to be acceptant and but in the end they end up like canceling people and canceling movements and canceling but that's actually the concept of repressive tolerance so it goes really way back to 1926 and the marxist philosophers of that time in europe i have heard of gromshy before and i'm just looking at his stuff here. He was, you know, obviously Italy got infected by all this. And he was a big Lenin supporter, it seems like. But he wasn't so happy with Mussolini, which is kind of interesting. But yeah, I mean, a lot of these folks actually go back to Rousseau, right?

Where, you know, tolerance is, you humans are humans have to be forced to be free right isn't that rousseau's things uh man everywhere in chains and needs to be forced to be free which is intolerance and the name of tolerance which is the most bizarre concept of all yeah and that's that's that's the concept repressiveressive tolerance. And that's why it cannot work. And it always leads to totalitarian movements at the end of the day, because you'll always have somebody more woke than you and somebody, you know, you'll never be pure enough. And we all know where that rhetoric takes us. I mean, it's horrible. It's just like, there's no way back. So, you know. And you don't have a first amendment there that you can point at to sort of push back on the cancellations and the censorship.

But is there a challenge? Is there something that you can use to get at this or adjudicate it? So it's actually, in France, we have a law for freedom of expression. It's not the First Amendment. We're not, you know, absolutes of freedom of expression has limits which is homophobic uh racism anti-semitism like all these um all things like that are totally illegal and you can be you know you can be jailed for for for that and i think it was it there was sort of a balance that was okay. I liked our French law about freedom of expression. But lately, and that's what they're trying to do with X and the European legislation, the DSA. I don't know if you've heard about that, the freedom of expression online regulation from the EU Commission.

They want to go beyond our French law on freedom of expression. And actually, that's what Elon Musk talked about many times, is that he will abide by these countries countries laws, but won't go beyond the law. And basically the GSA is asking him to go beyond the law and censor, you know, opinions or disinformation or misinformation. But we all know that that's totally arbitrary. And, you know, there is no ministry of truth, you know, and it's very dangerous. And we saw with the Twitter files and everything that's coming out right now with USAID that you mentioned, that scandal shows that, you know, disinformation is in the eye of the beholder and, you know, of the person basically who pays for the programs. Right, exactly.

Well, I'm going to take a little break here. You mentioned, I don't remember what was on the air when we were getting ready to heat the mics up, but 1984 and the sort of surveillance state. And I'll just hint at what you're going to talk about by telling people we're going to talk about 1984 and trash cans. Who bell? We'll talk about that. We're here with Beatrice Rosen. It's Beatrice underscore Rosen on X and Instagram. We'll be right back after this.

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Beatrice back in, Beatrice underscore Rosen, where you can find all her work, and of course on movies, Dark Knight. Beatrice, is thatrice underscore Rosen's where you can find all her work, of course, on movies, Dark Knight. Beatrice, Asselineau, is that the talk show host? Am I getting that right? Asselineau? No, actually, he's a politician. He's one of the few politicians that you never see anywhere because he wants to get out of the EU.

So since it's a taboo question you never he's never invited anywhere but he's pretty popular and uh he's on social media people follow him there's like a couple of of those politicians who who think that way but they're never invited anywhere so you know it's democracy there there's people talking about it here on on chat stream. And il peut sauver la France is what they're saying about him. Yeah, he has a big fan base. Yeah, there's a lot of faith put in him that he could save things. Is there a strategy? We'll talk about the trash cans in a sec.

We'll talk about the trash cans. And then I want you to talk a little bit about what, I mean, I don't hear people speaking as honestly as you do oftentimes on French media. I think people are afraid of being canceled. I don't think you are for some reason. But talk about the trash cans and then talk about what you want people to be doing to kind of combat some of this. Well, you know, I think you mentioned it about yourself. I think my life changed with COVID because I was like, okay, I'm going crazy.

This can't be our new reality. Like we cannot, I cannot live in this world. You know, in France, we actually had the QR code pass. We weren't allowed to drink our coffees standing up or sitting down. I forget which one. I mean, this was like the scientific rule. I mean, it was just so insane what happened to us. Well, I was in France right when that was going on,

and I had to go to a pharmacy and pay to get a special QR code that documented my vaccine status and all this BS in order to walk into a restaurant, typically. But don't worry, in California, we had similar craziness as it pertains to standing when you drink your coffee. We were allowed to stand on the beach. We just couldn't put a towel down and sit on it. And eventually we got to where you could put a towel down and sit on it, but you couldn't sit within 20 feet of somebody else or something. It was a level of insanity that just, people need to look at themselves and think about,

first of all, that they went along with that. And secondly, who mandated that? And let's go at those people a little bit and never effing listen to them again, but go ahead. So you can't drink your coffee standing up. And what did you think? Right. And we actually had a name for those beaches that you're mentioning. The insanity was like, we put a name on everything. Our beaches were called dynamic beaches. You weren't allowed to sit down. And there was a way around the beach and you weren't allowed to buy socks or toys for your kids, but you were allowed to buy. I mean, it's just all those. Oh, and another great one. You could go in a ski resort. You could ski, but there were no gondolas allowed.

So what people ended up doing is that they would hire taxis to bring them up the mountain. I mean, seriously, and they would ski down. Seriously, this time just changed my life. And before, as an actress, I never spoke about politics. I never said anything about anything. I was just, you know, in my lane doing my work. But, you know, when I saw my child that was six years old wearing a mask 10 hours a day, even for to play sports, which doesn't seem very sanitary to me to not be able to breathe when you're exercising. Um, I, I, it just, I lost it. I was like, okay, that's it. I,

I need to, I can't, um, passively accept this new, um, this new normal. This is not going to be the world I want to live in, you know, and I want my kids to know that I did not agree. And I tried to do something about it by speaking up and that's it. So, yeah. And back to, you know, I, and thank you for doing so. I, and back to the sort of intolerance in the name of tolerance, the people that were mandating orating or enforcing all those rules, they need to look at themselves too. Because you would have been a prison guard had you been around in 1930.

That's who you would have been. And that's what you were going along with, something very similar to that kind of a hysteria. But are you on anybody's radar? Are they watching you? Are they worried about you? Are they monitoring your trash cans because of this? I guess so. I can't really get into it too much

because I'm in enough trouble as it is. Yeah, I think they don't like people speaking up. And they're canceling a whole network because of freedom of speech, basically. But to go back to what you were just saying, to people who just bow down and accept certain situations, to go back to what you were mentioning about the garbage cans, we are now having the garbage police. So these people are accepting jobs to basically go from door to door to open with a cutter, you know, like people's garbage and go in there with their hands to see if you, you recycle

properly. And if you don't, you know, you get a, like a red sticker on your trash can and they won't pick it up. And, you know, and that's for in the first phase, but the second phase will be you will get fined um i mean it's such a level of dystopia that um i i can't even believe that i'm i'm saying what i'm saying it's just where did you know the world lose the lose it basically it's just insane insane and and i think what's happening in the states though because you were saying you know what what the hell is going on in fr And I think what's happening in the States, though, because you were saying, you know, what the hell is going on in France? I think what's happening in the States, not that people love Trump or it's just people, it's given people hope that things can change, you know, and because people are so depressed. People are so, so people are so so down so depressed it's very sad like the at the level of depression is just through the roof especially since covid but not

just because of it you know also because of this whole it's just people are desperate people are desperate and and i think what happened with you election in the States, it's just whether people like Trump or not is not the question. The question is, it gave people a lot of hope that things, there's hope there. Something can change. And I think that's very important. Yeah, there, there, I, I was listening to, again, another radio thing and some businessman came back. I was actually a big public figure over there, I guess. I just, I think it was from one of these luxury brand guys. And he came in and went, he felt the hope and sort of the positivity over here. And he said, coming back to France was a douchevoix, a cold shower. And I thought, oh, yeah, yeah, that's, go ahead. Yeah, that's actually, you're talking about Bernard Arnault, who's, you know, one of the richest guys in the world.

He's always in the, he used to be always in a battle with Elon Musk and Bezos about like being, you know, the number one richest guy on earth. He's the guy who owns LV like being, you know, the number one richest guy on earth. He's the guy who owns LVMH, you know, Louis Vuitton and Tiffany's and all these brands. And actually he was a big Macron supporter. And so the fact that he went to the Trump inauguration and that he came back to France and started saying what you just said that he said, it's a big deal. It's sort of like you can feel that, you know, things are taking a different turn now. And just our government is just the only thing that they know what to do is taxing people, more taxes, more taxes. And I think what Elon Musk is doing with Doge right now is inspiring a lot of French people and is showing by contrast that, you know, there is another way. Or in Argentina with Javier Millay,

I think all these people, Elon Musk, Trump, Millay, are showing our country that there could be maybe another way. And we don't need to accept that we're the most taxed country in the world, you know? With a huge deficit on top of that. Yeah, crazy deficit.

I mean, our debt crisis is through the roof and they lied about it. And it's just a disaster. And it's just really sad because, you know, think loves france there's it it used to be such a light you know something to look up to and culturally and for so many reasons and it's just really sad to see it decline so much it is a shame that the french uh do know how to live you know they know how to live well kind of thing. And it's sad to see the depression setting in there because it's a cold blanket on all that.

Well, I have a couple of sort of personal, not personal, but curiosity questions. I also, so from the perspective of this country, 1790 looks like a horror, like this horrible thing happened in France. And all these people were killed and the terror and some of the terror out in the provinces was even worse. We just don't hear about it. We just hear about the stuff in Paris. And I point at it now and go, remember, but Robespierre's committee was the committee for public safety safety uber alice whenever you hear people talking about safety that's where it goes everybody just

pay attention but in any event um i i also noticed when i listened to french media that i swear to god 10 minutes doesn't go by before they mention something about 1790 and the rights of man and in in a very very very positive inspirational way and i and i it sort of struck me as an american like oh you look at that as a strictly a positive uh is that true or or is there a conflicted feeling about it um it's no it's totally true uh you have a you're you're it's exactly on on on the spot um it when you look at the olympics for example the opening uh of the olympics uh they actually recreated a scene uh from the french revolution you know and it was very bloody and and it seems like you said, it seems very

shocking because of course, in France, we don't have the death penalty anymore. And in a way, it was the death penalty for the French revolution was the death penalty for the king, for its family, for, for a lot of aristocrats, it was terrible. It's very violent, but it was also the beginning of, like I said, it sort of mirrors what we're seeing now, what we were just talking about, where we need hope. We need hope. We need to know that things can change. And I think with 1789, it takes us back to a place in history where uh somehow a small group of people because remember of course at that time you didn't have television you didn't have uh all of that so at the end of the day it wasn't the whole country that stood up it was you know a relatively small group of people that, you know, just launched this revolution. And it inspires, and it's also the beginning

of the Declaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen, the Declaration of the Rights for Man. That's what I said, the Rights of Man comes up all the time. And that, of course, was a good thing. Even though if you really look at those folks, there's a lot of scoundrels in that. Mirabeau was a lot of whitewashing of who those guys were. Absolutely. But I think when people think about that time, they really think about universalism and and you know really

beautiful values and the end of feudalism and the end of the monarchy and the end of oppression so um that's how you know and the and the beginning of the modern french history um and a lot of left people think actually france started began with the French Revolution. And they sometimes forget that our history goes way, way, way back and way before the French Revolution. But I think, you know, and especially nowadays, because Macron is so unpopular in France. You're right. People talk about 1789 all the time because people are fed up and see him in a sort of a, like a king, you know, abusing his, oppressing his people.

So there's a lot of, yeah, of referencing to the French Revolution right now. And it's never good. It's never good because, like you said, it was very violent. Again, looking at it from the outside, it's like, well, the Jacobins were sort of the first totalitarians. And they went on this bloody spree. And then it required a dictator to settle things down. And you guys sort of skip over that part.

You sort of reject Napoleon like that didn't happen. And we'll kind of move on from there. But he's what put a stop to everything. And he put in the civil code. Napoleonic code was very important to the history of France. Maybe more so than the rights of man declaration. Yeah, he did so many amazing things for France. That's why this whole debate about cancellation, about canceling him is ridiculous. I mean, everything, our laws, everything goes

back to what he did. So his legacy is absolutely huge and contributed to make us such an amazing country. So, but, you know, right now we're again at a point where a lot of people in France think that the only outcome that's possible will be violence again and mirroring 1789. And, you know know i'm still hoping that we can um get out of this horrible situation in a in the more um reasonable way and with voting and stuff but the eu right now is i think totally unreasonable and and putting committees in place that you know will will judge if an election was fair or not fair according to its results i mean all that is very scary talk and um i just hope something happens that we can um go back to more democratic uh functioning and and that we can get back our sovereignty and that you know people will be able to express themselves more in France and get the power back because that's

what a democracy is about power to the people it's I've heard similar things from Marie Le Pen I feel like she although she gets painted with this extreme right stuff i i just hear her talking about the basics of democracy but i i'm not there warning i've got this condition where i don't feel pain you're a superhero this is how intense nova kane sounds oh wow imagine how it looks yeah big time nova k forming theaters march 14th um another sort of curiosity question for me and then i want you to think about what you want people to do i mean if you see what other than what you just declared there are other other things sort of actions

people should be taking but i i have you know deep admiration for people who can speak two languages without an accent in either language and completely colloquially how did that happen to you uh my father is American and my mother's French and I've always been between the two I grew up in France and uh when I'm in the States, I forget my French. And when I'm in France, I forget my English. So, you know, excuse me if today I wasn't like super eloquent. No, you're fine. You're fine.

No, no, no. Defining my words. But, you know, when you're immersed with television and people all day, you just sort of like your brain goes into one thing, but yeah, so I just grew up in France and then I worked most of my career in the States. I lived in LA and I worked, you know, big studios and, and, um, I had, um, a great, great experience. Um, I love working in the States. I think it's so, people are so professional. It's just a joy to work with Americans because they're so square. And so, you know, they wake up at five and they have so much energy in France.

It's totally different. Like, you know, people only think about the weekend and the holidays and, you know, and resting and having dinner. But, you know, it's just a different life. Do you have a plan to come back and work here? I'd like to. I was actually going to and then COVID hit. And then you get caught up with your kids' schools and stuff. But I'd like to go back and work in the States.

I mean, the business is totally different in the States and it's just more in my vibe. So yeah, I'd like to go back, but we'll see, we'll see, you know, we'll see my husband's Italian. We do, we do. So there's another country of all. Yeah, I get that.

We do like to work here and that is one of the things about and I heard Mélenchon talking about the French being paresseux and I thought it's not really that it's more that it's just a cultural

thing where there's not an emphasis and I kind of feel like you do need to get some economic dynamism going or it's going to be very hard to find your way into autonomy you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah the mentality is totally different i think you know the culture is very different americans have all this energy and this ambition and actually ambition is not a bad word in the states where in france if you're called ambitious it's uh it's not good like people will think you're an opportunistic or you know you just like money too much money talk is taboo in france you you can't

talk about money uh where in the states it's almost the first thing that people talk about you know so so it's just a different mentality and and there's good things in both and you know going back to um politics Macron when he arrived he used to say that he's a bit from the right a bit from the left a bit you from everything. And I think he took the worst of what the American culture can give and the worst of what the French culture can give and put it together and, you know, made a party with that. And I think today we see the result of that. And I think we need to stop and make a do over and take what's best from the States. What's best from, from France.

Um, and the, the way the art of evil from France, you know, our culture, the way we, we like to enjoy meals and then enjoy life, but also,

uh, get inspired by Americans and their efficiency and their energy and they're willing to get up and work and do the job, you know? And that's amazing. I admire that. So if you were to sort of put together a roadmap forward let's sort of wrap up with this what what i mean i haven't you haven't really declared on if you're comfortable doing so by the way about the money talk before i get into that i i have a french friend who once schooled me he said in in france you do not you're not allowed to define yourself by what you make and what you do you have to define yourself by what what make and what you do. You have to define yourself by what's in here, by what you know. And you try to impress people with that, not with what your job is.

Right? Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, when you're in the States, the first question people ask you is, oh, what do you do? Like, you know, to try to understand, to understand how much money you make and where you are on the, what social status you have? In France, you just don't do that. It's sort of impolite to do that. So you have to talk about different things, about maybe cultural things.

It's just different different um different values just different ways i think i think they would call it sort of crass if you talked about what you did for a living that kind of thing but let's paint me a picture who who you're supporting who we should look for as a way forward politically and what you want people to be doing if you had a roadmap that you could create so actually i i'm not um in a political party i don't support a political party i i have a stand where i think we're at the end of a system uh we're really at the end of a of a system and i think uh even the opposition in france all the the political opposite opponents uh they're they're sort of playing the game you know they're in the merry-go-round i want to i want to stop if you don't mind so you're in the fifth

etat right now right it's the fifth estate fifth state are you saying there's gonna be a sixth i i think there will be unfortunate i i you know i admire the general de gaulle who um created um the system we're in right the the the fifth one which we're in right now but i think you know he was exceptional. And I don't think anybody can fill his shoes right now. And the level of our politicians is so low that I think. And we don't have that anymore. And there's no perspective of having that anymore right now. So I think we're at the end of that system. And I think that even the opposition is sort of a fake opposition. They're just waiting for their turn. And so they're not really willing to do what's right for the people. And I think we need to give the power back to the people because at the end of the day, like I said before, that's what democracy is all about.

The people need to decide for their destiny. And, you know, it's our money. It's our it's just it's our destiny. It's our money. It's our children. And I think we need to give back the power to the people. Yeah, I think that is sort of happening here in this country. It's kind of the end of the managerial class revolution and people are going back to some sort of more distributed, personal kind of empowerment of the original intent of democracies. That's a very provocative sort of prediction for

the future because I've heard it almost whispered in French media, but I thought that's what they were talking about. I couldn't quite, you know, they'd sort of moved towards how the fifth estate is not kind of working and I thought, oh, they made a sixth, another one. Yes, I think you're right. I think it is being whispered here and there. So that's very interesting. Well, listen, you did not disappoint. I appreciate you being here. Tell people about, if people do speak French, can they go listen to your podcast somewhere? Yeah, absolutely. I have a podcast on all the podcast platforms, Apple, Amazon, Deezer, Spotify, whatever. And I recently launched my YouTube channel, Beatrice Rosen Official. And my podcast is called La Vie en Rosen.

So it's sort of a play on words with my name and La Vie en Rosen. You got it. And I have to launch one in English because just to touch the English speaking world. I just think it's important for us to be able to look at ourselves through others' eyes, you know, from another culture, another country, another continent. And you have both perspectives. And that's why I was pretty sure you'd be able to add some insights to what we're experiencing over here. Well, I hope France finds its way out.

I love the country and the culture and the language. And it does feel a little depressed over there, I got to admit. And I appreciate you being a loud voice and keep breathing fire. And hopefully they'll start listening. You did say one thing that I want to ask about. You said that the fifth state was made for a certain

kind of male leader. What about a female leader? I'm not being PC in saying that because French women are pretty... Marie Le Pen is pretty incredible. What about a French female? Yeah.

Yeah. I think we're at a time where there's just not that level of greatness anymore. Anywhere. Either sex. No. Yeah. And, you know, the education system has declined so much in the last decades. You know, all the systems have declined and I think it just produces weak politicians. And I just don't think that any of them are fit for the job. And, you know, a lot of people support Marine Le Pen in France. Personally, I gave you my opinion about the opposition in France. I think it would just waste more time.

We just need to go to what's next and just change the basis of all of that. Hear about more, La Vie en Rose, and also Beatrice underscore Rosen on X and Instagram. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. You got it. All right, coming up, we got a lot of big fire breathers coming as well.

We have the head of the LA Times, the owner of the LA Times, Dr. Patrick Soon-Shong, who was a big supporter of our mayor here in Los Angeles, Karen Bask, has completely turned that around since the fires. And his daughter has been running the Times. I haven't heard him talk about whether she will stay in that position or not. He's a transplant surgeon. It'll be very interesting to talk to him. Jimmy Dora coming back. Dr. Robert Epstein.

Robbie Starbuck. Great guest. Michael Franzese. Franzese? Is that a Franzese? How do you pronounce that, Caleb? I'm going to be on his podcast next week, I think. I think you had it right the first time.

Franzese. I'll look that up before the show, for sure. A lot of great guests coming. Keep an eye on it. We are back on Tuesday, and that's when Dr. Soon-Shun Chong will be in studio I believe in our home I think he's coming into the

studio here with us yeah let me see if there's anything else coming up next week I need to mention no looks great Susan will have a show on Thursday I believe because I think Jimmy Dore is coming in at noon on Thursday so look forward to that and also you might want to uh go back and listen to her show from this week it was kind of interesting uh particularly some of the cultural

stuff they were getting into with kanye uh so i have a nice super bowl weekend is that this weekend everybody yep super bowl uh i can't keep track of everything what's that caleb yeah I can't keep track of everything. What's that, Caleb? Yeah, I can't keep track of it either. I'm not sure either. It's this weekend. But I did see, the first thing that made me think of the Super Bowl though, Drew, is there was that story of that plane crash that happened, I believe it was the one in Philadelphia about the little boy

that saved his sister by covering as all the shrapnel was going. And his first question when he woke up was apparently, did I save her life? And also, did I miss the Super Bowl? And his dad was like, no, you haven't been in a coma that long. You're okay.

You won't miss it. We'll bring it. We'll show it to you. You won't miss it. So on his behalf, you better root for the Eagles. That's all I'm saying. All right. Well, listen, I appreciate you.

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