Ask Dr. Drew - Bioweapons Expert Dr. Steven Hatfill on "Next Major Pandemic" w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 172

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

Dr. Steven Hatfill is a virologist and bioweapons expert. In 2001, he was falsely accused of the Amerithrax anthrax attacks, before proving his innocence and winning a $5.8 million settlement from the DOJ. In 2020, he advised the White House on its response to the COVID-19 pandemic. ••「 LINKS FROM EPISODE: https://drdrew.com/1182023  」••  Dr. Hatfill is the coauthor of 2019's "Three Seconds Until Midnight" which describes "major faults and assumptions in US planning... and several major steps that must be taken to improve readiness for the next major lethal pandemic event." The book was published just 2 months before the COVID-19 pandemic.  Find more about Dr. Hatfill at https://drstevenhatfill.com/ ABOUT DR. STEVE HATFILL Dr. Steven Hatfill is a specialist physician and a virologist with a military background and separate master’s degrees in microbial genetics, radiation biochemistry, and experimental pathology. His medical fellowships include Oxford University, the NIH in Bethesda, and the NRC where he studied the Ebola Virus at the US Army Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're in for something very interesting. Dr. Hatfield is with us today. Dr. Stephen Hatfield, he wrote a book. He's a virologist. He's a specialist. He's a public health consultant. He has master's degrees in biomedical science, medical fellowship at Oxford National Institute of Health,

as well as having studied Ebola virus and anthrax. He wrote a book called Three Seconds Until Midnight that chronicled our deficiencies in terms of pandemic readiness. And little did he know that that was a prophetic book. If you want to see where our deficiencies are, he predicted them ahead of time. We're going to talk about that today. He also was embroiled in a controversy back in 2001 when we had these anthracite attacks and he was such a bioweapons expert, they ended up accusing him of being

the attacker and he ended up suing the government and settling to something that brought him into the public sphere then. He, and amongst other things, he he has i'm trying to get all his stuff here that uh the u.s army institute for infectious diseases he's got a ton of stuff at dr stephen hatfield.com i'm sure he'll be ready to share with us but we're going to talk about that and the tremendous deficiencies in our pandemic readiness after this our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe

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out to TD Direct Investing. And of course, as always, we're here with Dr. Kelly Victory as well. She'll be in after the break to continue the conversation. But let's bring in Dr. Stephen Hatfield. Dr. Hatfield, thank you so much for being with us. We're great. There's so much to be discussed, but let me start with something that you have said, at least you've sort of been thinking about,

which is something you're calling the intentional destruction of the national pandemic plan. Was the plan adequate in the first place? And then what did we do to destroy it? The plan was a great start. It was done under George W. Bush. And it brought in the concept of social distancing until an effective drug therapy could be found. And later on, perhaps a vaccine. Remember, we can't make a vaccine against all infectious disease agents. There's only a handful that it's practical to do so. And I was called into the executive office of the White House for a year in 2020. And we just watched in disbelief how a handful of senior federal employees intentionally

sabotaged it. Starting with the request was for, we had a drug called hydroxychloroquine, one of the safest drugs known to medicine on the FDA's own most dangerous drugs list, aspirin is ahead of it. People have been taking it for 50 years for various things. And remarkably, data coming out of South Korea, France, Brazil, was showing the ability of this drug, if it's used quickly, early on an infection of controlling a COVID-19 outbreak. And all we needed, I was in the office of Peter Navarro. And I mean, within a week, I would say we had 62 million doses of hydroxychloroquine put into the national stockpile. The regular pharmaceutical distributors, Cardinal and the others, were going to sweep this out. And of course, our big problem city was the New York City mega region.

And this was all underway. It was working well. But we needed an investigational new drug authority. And instead of that, Rick Bright at BARDA, the Biological Advanced Research and Development Authority, and Dr. Janet Woodcock at CEDAR at the FDA. She told Rick Bright, who's a PhD, that this is a very dangerous drug. We can't have this, and it'll cause widespread heart attacks and all sorts of stuff. And instead of an IND, we got an emergency

use authorization, which limited it to hospitalized patients. The EUA actually said it's because these patients that are in hospital will see the most benefit from the drug. Well, it was the complete opposite. Hydroxychloroquine was able to stop them from progressing and their infection to where they had to be in hospital. And it just went down from there. One of the things I've been noticing about this pandemic is it follows line and verse the opioid pandemic. In other words, and if this is what I think it is, much like in the opioid pandemic, there were evangelists. As you said, there were a handful of federal officials that decided they were the hero. They were wearing the white hat. And to continue with the opioid

sort of analogy, they were going to sweep in and never allow any pain to be experienced by an American ever again. And it was the foe of opiophobia that the doctors that were afraid of opiates, we had to crush. And they did, these evangelists, by taking over professional societies, taking over how journals, what journals, they really didn't do much of the journals, just that the articles that were being used to justify were just ridiculous. They were essentially letters to the editor. And they got the VA, the state medical societies, Jayco, and eventually it was on. Doctors had to over-prescribe. And of course, the drug companies then blew wind into the sails of that, like a cyclone to do what they could to amplify the evangelists. Who are the evangelists and what were they

thinking? It's not just that, it's the same people involved. It was Janet Woodcock back in the opioid. She's being sued now. At the end of the year, last year, there was a lawsuit initiated by a conglomerate, if I'm not mistaken. There was another drug, I think it was called Propulsed, something like that. It was a gastric emptying drug. It was causing a prolonged QT syndrome. And 300 kids died. She wouldn't take it off the market. It's these same people rocking up, same with hydroxychloroquine. This is not a good legacy to have in public health.

There's got to be others, because they need their sort of minion, their deputies that have to go out in the various medical societies and hospitals and state medical organizations and public health organizations. And then, of course, there must have been policy or sort of, I don't know, something that gave the public health officials the hubris to overreach the way they did and why and the the lack of risk reward analysis is that part of the the lack of go ahead the ama are out of the ama have become out of control um they used to represent what about 40 of the doctors a couple what 20 years ago

now i think they're down to, what, 15%? They've not done their duty. And, I mean, the evidence for hydroxychloroquine is overwhelming. Your listeners can go to the Internet. Type in c19study.com and there's the results of half a million patients given hydroxychloroquine by about 5,000 scientists and about 320 studies. The effect is overwhelming if you give it early. If you give it late, it doesn't do anything.

But if you give it within the first seven days of onset of symptoms, it doesn't have to be a randomized controlled clinical trial. The effect is so overwhelming. You should get Harvey Reich on your program. He's, he's. We had Harvey a couple of times. Harvey is a great guy and he's done this, this nation a tremendous sense. But, but I really want to zero in on the public health excesses that,

that maybe who talked about in your book, I, I, that, the, you know, the, the behavior of our peers and the public health excesses were the most astonishing experiences of this pandemic. What can you say about that? Well, the CDC we know are broken. They're actually censoring and driving all these papers that were released by America's Legal First. They're the ones that have been deplatforming doctors and removing them from Twitter and this type of thing.

The FDA has been broken for years. It's just now very, very open and obvious. They don't even care. Look at the new Alzheimer's drug that Dr. Woodcock's successor tried to get through. I mean, it's a complete shambles. The NIH, parts of it are broken and just need to be repaired. But everything, the journals, the things that we've all trusted as doctors to guide trouble for the opioid crisis she did preside over that and there's lots of controversy there's also um is she responsible for some of the more diligent committee members resigning?

They've sort of resigned quietly, but it looked rather problematic. Yeah, this was over a couple things. The Alzheimer's drug and the vaccination of children. Children are not a – COVID-19 is not a major risk for them. If they get it, it's usually asymptomatic. They don't produce enough virus and secrete it into the environment to infect other children or adults. If they do have symptoms, that's for a day or two.

There's no risk benefit for giving any of the COVID-19 vaccines to children. Let's do this. Let's take a quick break and I will bring Dr. Victory in here. Again, the book, let's put it up there, Caleb. Put it up the book, which is, there it is, three seconds until midnight about the deficiencies in our pandemic awareness. And Dr. Hadfield did mention that the Bush administration had brought in this idea of, I'm not even sure they use the word social distancing, but they had the policy, they adopted the policy established by a high school student around influenza pandemics being improved by localized sorts of quarantines of certain populations where there are outbreaks. Nowhere, my understanding, in that Bush policy was there universal lockdown of all human beings throughout the land. That is something never contemplated.

It would have been laughed out of the room. Yeah. And so how it came, do you know how it came to that? How it suddenly, were you there when those, who decided that? Where did that come from? Myself and my colleagues were in the middle of it. It came from Dr. Burks. That's what I figured.

The plan, we all agreed that a temporary short sort of flatten the curve thing until we could get our act together as a nation. We're talking two weeks at the most. We had the hydroxychloroquine flowing. It was going out. Doctors were using it. You feel bad, you come see your gp

you write your script you go home you quarantine at home you go back to work and within a week and um it just came out of nowhere it came from chairman z yeah yeah i i think that i think there's email chains now documenting that it was his convincing or his people convincing the folks that Dr. Fauci sent to China that came back. And I had a suspicion that Birx was one of the evangelists. And then she became an evangelist and went around the country demanding that governors all lock their states down. And you can just look at the data demanding that governors all lock their states down and you can just look at the

data on that and she ignored in her book that was released like a few months ago she still says hydroxychloroquine doesn't work i mean how out of touch can you be well i i don't want to get into that argument uh and i know there was a lot of it prescribed at the beginning quietly until pharmacists stopped filling what doctors were asking for, which was another weird, weird stage in this whole thing. But the fact that so many people were harmed by the policies that were indoctrinated and the fact that the virus just does what it does anyway. I mean, all that stuff was, and it was sort of missing the point of what might have helped even, which was localized lockdown of quarantining sick people, like we've always done throughout human history.

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That is indeed the topic for the day. Kelly Victory, have at it. Hi, Dr. Hatfield, thanks so much for joining us. Really, really looking forward to this conversation. And I've got lots to ask you about. I am going to ultimately circle back to the hit job that was done on these repurposed drugs like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin because i think it's such a critical piece of this

story that we've all lived through for three years and i want to talk about the egregious breaches of protocol regulatory protocol when it comes to the vaccines but But before I do that, I want to take a quick dive into your expertise as a bioweapons expert, and specifically as that might apply to understanding of the origins of this virus. I was out very, very vocal early on in the pandemic. It was the second or third week of February of 2020 when I first said on social media that I believed that this likely emanated from a laboratory and was not naturally occurring. if you will, and that it had some telltale fingerprints, in my estimation, of something that had been cut and pasted, something that had been spliced, not a naturally occurring genomic sequence. So talk a little bit about that and whether or not you believe it, where you think it

came from and whether you think it was purposeful and your insights into that. Well, when the SARS-1 virus broke out, I was quite a good student of that. And that was a natural outbreak. It came from horseshoe bats in a wet market to palm sylvan cats, which are a delicacy in Asia, and from there into humans. So I assumed that it was something like this. Remember the first outbreak in China that China admitted to was this Wuhan seafood market. Well, this isn't the case. Dr. Bloom was able to, just before the Chinese announced a pathogen of pandemic significance, they wiped their databases off the internet for the coronavirus sequences they had. Dr. Bloom was able to recover this off the cloud.

And the viruses that were circulating in Wuhan weren't the ones that were in the seafood market. And from that time on, China has obstructed any sort of investigation. Yes, it will. Well, and also we have, if I'm not mistaken, a pretty clear email traffic between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak from EcoHealth Alliance that shows very clearly that after Obama put the moratorium on gain-of-function research that had been done in this country and was being done in multiple scientific labs, academic institutions, including my alma mater, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. They'd been doing it there. President Obama put a moratorium, I think rightly so, on gain-of-function research. And so Anthony Fauci decided to funnel U.S. taxpayer dollars through EcoHe alliance over to wuhan so that they could

continue it was uh it wasn't to start gain of function research it was to continue research that had been ongoing uh had been precedent uh already here in the united states uh and he is you know anthony fauci is certainly obfuscated and and as far as I could tell, perjured himself when he's answering questions about this. And Kelly, if I could pile on a little bit further, I interviewed Li Meng Yan about two weeks ago, and she's a controversial figure, but it was chilling to hear her description of what was happening because this is a viral backbone that she was aware of that she was using to build viruses for the military at the time i don't want to overstate what she said but when you listen to that interview she was there on the ground working with these viruses and knew

the players knew exactly what's going on as multiple informants and she sort of this is like you know there's begs no alternative in her mind. But please go ahead. No, and that's exactly, Drew, where I wanted to go with Dr. Hatfield. I wanted to get your input, Dr. Hatfield. Do you have concerns about this being a bioweapon? We knew in 2014 of the SH-014 strain that came out of the Mojiang mine in China. It had made Nature magazine. It was able to directly infect human cells without, you know, with fairly good specificity.

What we saw in the sequences of the virus that the Chinese gave us eventually was a virus that was already fully adapted to man. In fact, it doesn't even like to grow in bats. We never found a host. If you make a column and you put on this side all the things that say it came from a lab, and you put on this side all the things that say it came from a lab. And you put on this side all the things that says it was natural. There's nothing that says it's natural.

Right. And there's everything that says it came from a lab. Okay. All right. So I agree with you. I think it clearly was lab manipulated. And I think that the evidence are irrefutable, I think, at this point. Was it a bioweapon? Was it purposefully, in your mind, weaponized?

I haven't seen any stability studies. You know, having the agent is one thing, but normally you have to add the aerosol attack is the way this is done. Normally there's a bunch of chemicals you have to add. The recipe is different for each virus, but it provides aerosol stability. Otherwise these things decay at a very high rate. Immaterial. China violated the international health regulations. They delay.

They're required to inform the WHO within 24 hours if they see a pathogen that has pandemic potential. And they delay, delayed, delayed. They talked the WHO director into delaying saying that it was person to person when they knew back in November this was person to person transmissible. Right. So and in the meantime, they bought up the world's PPE, personal protective equipment, masks, everything. So when it came over here, there's none here for us. We gave a bunch of stuff to China. Right, right.

So at a minimum, it was abject incompetence. Whether or not it was released purposefully or not is unclear. But they certainly were, as you said, breached the protocols, the things that they were required to divulge, and they have done nothing to facilitate the investigation of this, including turning over blood samples and all of the data that they had in those labs. So now you go to, here you are, you're in the White House, you're very familiar with the National Pandemic Response Plan. Let's talk about the ways in which clearly, as you said, the players, you rattled off the names of the top few, Woodcock and Bright and others, Burks, who were absolutely undermining and doing everything they could to sabotage the plan.

Talk about some of the things that you saw specifically happening that they were doing that breached what would have been the standard policy or standard protocol to employ during a pandemic. Well, first of all, for the one drug that we've mentioned earlier, they started the ridiculous notion that it was causing heart problems. Now, before the drug even came out, doctors were seeing patients with COVID, pulmonary involvement, lung involvement, that they'd get through it and they'd die of heart failure. The virus was attacking its heart. And nobody is that stupid at the FDA to call for a withdrawal of an EUA for a drug that was working. And if you look at the letter from Rear Admiral Hinton, who happens to be a former Air Force nurse with no degree in hard sciences, but suddenly the FDA scientist,

chief scientist. It just didn't make sense. Things were happening that, look, Fauci dumped this stuff to make way for remdesivir and the vaccines. Yes. It was intentional. Nobody's that stupid. The papers, Pete Navarro and he had a serious argument in the Situation Room. And the evidence had built up to the point where it was overwhelming. It didn't have to be randomized clinical trials.

The benefit was so great, randomization wouldn't account for the results that we were seeing. And they had a fight in the Situation Room. And Peter had all the papers with him, and Fauci just wouldn't even look at it. Wouldn't even look at it. This is not the job. This is not the behavior of a man whose job is to find the best solutions for the country and the president. Okay.

It was intentional. Right. Okay. It was intentional. ivermectin, and then subsequently fluvoxamine and steroids and vitamin D and zinc and all the rest of them, they had to absolutely put the kibosh on those in order to get the emergency use authorization for the vaccine, because that EUA is predicated on there not being any other available intervention. I have a question about that. Absolutely. I get that. We have come upon that theory. With that theory or with that phenomenon of going for the EUA and making sure there's no other alternative treatments, why not encourage physicians to practice medicine? In other words, not get an EUA and just go, hey, here's some thing here's some

papers some things we we've seen worked and and by the way let me educate you now we have monoclonal antibodies let me educate you about those and how to get through this illness when you get it i never ever saw public health talk about how to deal with the illness in the entire pandemic and god knows how many lives could have been saved with that. I went out, for me, the monoclonal antibodies kept me out of the hospital. I had a bad alpha or delta and I kept going down, down and the MCA just turned it around right within an hour. It was crazy. But I thought, my God, no one is talking about this. And then when I went out and talked about it, people went, oh, you're special. You can afford it. No, the government had already bought it all. And it was sitting on a shelf. And because there was no campaign to help instead, doctors were

scared, frankly, shitless to practice medicine. And we're just waiting for orders from on high. And that was something about my original question. This was so disturbing to me. I get upset when I think about that whole chapter that we all lived through. But is it the case that if they'd gone out with some sort of educational campaign and encouraged doctors to improvise and practice medicine as they always did, would that have undermined their EUA for remdesivir and vaccines? Absolutely. The first study of remdesivir, I saw it. Okay. All right. it was toxic and then you let the company do its own studies now and then the middle the second study that was

done a big majority of these patients were already on hydroxychloroquine which can be retained in the body for days so So you were looking at two drugs, not one. And my suspicion is that the patients that did marginally better had residual hydroxychloroquine in their bodies. Then the third trial wasn't even randomized clinical trial that Dr. Fauci so insists on. It was a complete shambles. Fauci had ordered $1.2 billion worth of remdesivir even before the studies were done. Right.

Of government funding. Right, so it was... What was going on in his head? What was he thinking? What do you think? I want to know. This is a man that I looked toward for many years through my career particularly in the hiv epidemic what happened gilead couldn't even make the drug okay we had to we had to bring in chemists to figure out how

to make the stuff because it was being made in China. And then they were going to fight and just take the patent and make it for themselves. There had to be money involved somewhere. Nobody makes these decisions in that level of, unless there's something for them. So NIH, pharmacy, I don't know, but it was insane. None of it made sense. Well, let's talk about the... Speaking of conflict of interest, and you could write a book just on that with regard to this pandemic exactly um let's talk a little bit about the conflict of interest uh in

the cdc owning parts of uh patents for vaccines uh you know that's another thing it's in an nih contract yeah you know they find something in patent, they get money from it. Right. We need to overhaul. These were problems we never, ever foresaw in pandemic planning, that our own systems would go haywire. What we need to do is bring back like the Office of Technology Assessment, which would have been Congress's arm for scientific accuracy.

Right now, the money, the greed were additive. They equaled death. This never should have happened. We need to bring back the Office of Technology Assessment as the scientific watchdog for Congress because they had nothing. Newt Gingrich got rid of this back in the 90s, and no one ever brought the organization back. It was over 100. They didn't bring in outside scientists to answer any particular problem that questions that Congress might have. And it kept the nonsense out of the decisions. This wasn't the COVID-19 task force where people just going off and doing their own thing. Dr. Burke's on lockdowns, Dr. Fauci on remdesivir. You get rid of hydroxychloroquine, but we don't have any remdesivir. And thousands of people died because there was nothing. They were told, go home until you turn blue. You know? Right. It seems that what we we need the tentacles of big pharma uh run into

absolutely every one of these things so big pharma is involved in the cdc and the fda and we know now that they are involved in big tech and they clearly own the mainstream media you know you watch any you know any particular slot whether it's on Fox News or MSNBC, and brought to you by Pfizer. So when Big Pharma owns all of it, it's hard for any organization to stay really independent. certainly own uh the medical journals we know that the veracity of the data that's being published and the equality of the studies is totally in question because of big pharma's uh control over those over those journals so let's move and talk about um's favorite topic, certainly mine recently, which is the vaccines. And I want to talk about, really, I think people think I'm exaggerating when I talk about, no proof of safety and efficacy. We were promised

safe and effective. And what we got was, you know, sudden and unexpected. So let's talk a little bit about the breaches of standard protocol with regard to the vaccine manufacturer? Even simpler, let's look at what the scientific data shows and look at what the propaganda did. We were promised a vaccine that would stop us from getting sick. There was never any evidence that it would prevent infections. So when that got resolved and became apparent, then suddenly take the vaccines and you won't get severe illness.

And now we're to the stage where, no, that's not the case either. We knew very early on, if you take the spike protein protein this is something the pharmaceutical companies if they ever did it they never reported it but if we take um the vaccine the messenger rna vaccine from 2021 before the omicron and we inject this into mice uh they get i mean visibly if you look at the photographs of these mice on the autopsy you don't even have to know medicine you can tell the heart that's sick from the one that's normal it's it causes widespread muscle cell degeneration in the heart, necrosis, acute inflammation, elevations of what they're called cardiac enzymes, things inside the cell that are now leaking out and into the bloodstream, and the lining of the blood

vessels are all damaged and in acute inflammation. And if you get a second dose of the vax, inject the mice with a second dose after a period of time, now they start getting liver cell damage. Well, it's the spike protein, the coding for it, that is in the messenger RNA vaccine. So when you get a messenger RNA vaccine, the cells in your body start to produce actual spike protein. And this occurs not just at the injection site.

There were lawsuits to get this released from Pfizer. They left it out of the U.S. application, and nobody bothered to ask them. It's called biodistribution studies. But the vaccine was going all over the bodies. It was concentrating in the ovaries, in the liver, in the spleen. And this is data that we know from the Pfizer biodistribution study. They knew well before the vaccines were released to the public.

You know, they knew that it didn't stay in the deltoid muscle. They knew it went to essentially every major organ system in a matter of hours. And they openly, I actually listened to the most recent FDA advisory meeting where they came to the conclusion that these things should be given to children.

And the vaccine manufacturers were asked specifically, do you know which tissues of the body, which organ systems will produce the spike protein? Do you know how much spike protein they'll produce? And do you know for how long? These seem like pretty rudimentary questions, things you might want to know. And the answer was no, we don't know that yet. We haven't studied that yet. So the reality is people have been injected with something that has made their bodies into little mRNA spike protein factories with no inherent off switch. And now we are seeing unprecedented numbers of adverse events. Just today, I read a report just today that the FAA has changed, it's surreptitiously, somewhat quietly, changed the guidelines, the EKG guidelines for pilots.

Talk about that. Well, there's a new technique that's come out. And we're dealing with something called the PR period and PR interval. And normally this is, it relates to how long the heartbeat takes to occur. It's a very orderly electrical system that makes the heartbeat the way it does. And PR interval, normally it's like 1.2 to 2 milliseconds. Well, very quietly on the 24th of October of this year, the FDA sent out guidance for aviation medical examiners, the guys that give the pilots their physicals.

And this had now been increased to three and above milliseconds, which is enough to accommodate cardiac injury. There's a new test out called multifunction cardiogram, which is about five times more sensitive than a regular EKG. They did a study in post-vax in Puerto Rico. It takes 10 minutes of recording and internet. It links into an AI diagnostic software, but they're showing significant numbers of myocarditis injuries post-vaccination. So it appears that the FAA, excuse me,

it appears that the FAA is tacitly acknowledging that there's cardiac injury in pilots, and if they don't change the EKG guidelines, they'd have to ground half of the pilots. Did you see today the business jet, the companies that own business jets? They're specifically asking for unvaccinated pilots wow okay have they teased this out from covid effects we know for sure this is my this is my constant refrain is you know how do we tease it from covid this is vaccine versus covid and by the way interestingly as you are talking about the pr intervals i've seen a some extraordinarily classic Mobitz 1 cases in some of my elderly patients lately, which was sort of shocked me. I'm like, well, I haven't seen Mobitz 1 like this in a long time. I've seen a couple of cases, like real classic Mobitz 1.

That's also in the guidelines. That's really interesting. But how do we tease it out from COVID itself? Epidemiologically, in 2019 and 2020, remember these huge spikes we were having in 2020? It was out of control. We didn't see any increase in myocarditis from background level. January, February, March, April, May is when the exponential increase in cases started, and this was when the vaccines were rolled out. Technically, Bradford Hill criteria have been met. Now we start seeing even worse things with regards to hidden myocarditis. There was the TIE study that came out recently where they looked at adolescents and they looked at after their second vaccine dose and they were seeing tachycardia and signs of myocarditis.

About 2.1, about almost 30% of the children showed this. A mild myocarditis like last a couple of days. 2.1% showed troponin 1 elevations. This means actual heart muscle damage. There is no such thing as a mild myocarditis. These things heal by scarring. If there's been acute inflammation in the heart, you've had heart muscle cell damage. This heals by scarring. And scar tissue doesn't conduct electrical impulses very well.

Remember, the heart is a very carefully tuned electrical system. Further study that's come out recently was using gadolinium delayed excretion. It's an MRI technique that visualizes the heart. And the more scar tissue that's in the walls of the heart, the longer it takes for this marker dye to leak out, this enhancement agent. So this type of a delayed thing, they were measuring this, and they were seeing that some of this damage was lasting for months. The hearts still weren't back to normal. What's our hidden?

We have no idea what the hidden level is. Right. And I fear that we are, as someone who was out there at the very beginning, as a voice of concern about these vaccines, not only the rapidity with which they were being released, but also the paucity of safety data and the fact that we weren't conducting a thoughtful risk-benefit analysis with regard to who was going to receive them, the inherent dangers in mRNA. We are now seeing, I believe, or I fear, just the tip of the iceberg on these things. I posted just the other day on social media, a tweet that's gotten some interesting feedback saying that despite the fact that I was mercilessly derided and ridiculed and censored and slandered for saying the things I was saying, this is no time for a, I told you so victory lap.

This is, we need a call to arms. This is all hands on deck. We've got to come up with a way to fix this, to undo what's been done. So let's start talking about that. You know, clearly there are the same courageous, creative, critical thinking physicians who came up with the early treatment protocols with repurposed drugs are already working on ways to mitigate the damage from the vaccines by using some of those same drugs. But I don't think that's enough. I believe, and I'm not an mRNA expert and I'm not a vaccinologist, but if you can come up with a way to turn on, to give

somebody mRNA to start creating a spike protein, surely there's got to be some way to turn it off. I don't know what that is, or to rid the body of these toxic spike proteins or to mitigate tissue damage. But it seems to me that where we need to be focusing right now as a scientific community, as physicians, is how the hell do we unring this bell? Because we are looking at a tsunami of illness, suffering, and premature death if we don't figure out a way to fix this yeah basically what what have you got embryonic stem cell therapy yeah that's what i'm saying what do you do you know what would you do where would you go with this now to fix this what about our military that we've forced to get vaccinated? They had no choice. You know, we're short of pilots now.

Whenever they make a new Top Gun movie, we're short of pilots. Yeah. You know, guys, I'm just thinking, we have a ready-made population that could serve as a study group with sort of unlimited resources and MRI, you know, functional, guys from more catastrophe and finding ways to mitigate it, treat it, deal with it and manage it, uh, and, and then publish it. And that might be, and that might be the way to do this. Look how long it took to get traumatic encephalopathy recognized, right? Yeah, it's true. A system where there is a free exchange of ideas without penalty.

Yes. You can't have this. To that point, what do you think needs to be done about the public health infrastructure? I mean, that one is the great sort of excesses of the pandemic. What do we got to do there?

Well, I call it level six. You fire everyone six levels down and you start again. It's the bottom rung anyway, that knows how things work, that, that, uh, get things done. Hire from there for leaders. Oversight has got to be, and this is one of the other things that would be good about an Office of Technology is as an outside panelist coming in

to work on a problem independent of politics, answering only to the answer that they've come up with based on peer-reviewed studies. No conflicts of interest, no nonsense like this. We need to drastically overhaul the CDC, parts of the NIH and the FDA for certain. I was at the NIH for a couple of years. This is the most wonderful institution you could ever imagine. And then they politicized it. It's outrageous. It's tarnished the whole institute. there is ultimately accountability. We need to focus, as I said, on fixing this for the millions of people who took the vaccine

because I think they are going to suffer from a lot of unprecedented illness if we don't come up with some solutions. But at the same time, I think that there has to be accountability. And when I say accountability, I mean not just for people at the CDC and the FDA and a handful of public health officials. I mean, politicians, I mean, people in the mainstream

media, people at big tech who were complicit in censoring voices, certainly pharma. And as far as I'm concerned, every single physician out there to all of those people i would ask three questions what did you know when did you know it and what did you do about it because there's going to be a reckoning we need to have a reckoning twitter is a very good start because we've already got the emails. They were taking instructions from the CDC and the FDA. We already have the emails. They're not allowed to do that. This is propaganda. Right. Do you believe, you have very deep experience in the White House and at levels of government that I don't. Do you believe that we can get accountability? Do you think that we will ultimately, there are people calling for

Nuremberg 2.0. Are we going to see the kind of accountability that really needs to happen with regard to, as I said, who knew what, when. We have to have accountability to continue on as a republic. The drug companies have gotten so powerful. You know, you can't sue them, but they're not supposed to fudge the data either. Right. Okay. This needs to be some top-level investigations into what went on uh by independent scientists there's no more trust in medicine now there's certainly no more trust in

vaccines or anything like this um no trust in the government. There's pathogens out there 10 times worse than COVID-19. I'm kidding. And they will arrive one day. We have to take this as serious as possible. It is a threat to national security. There needs to be a cabinet level position just for pandemic readiness and response, not just at ASPR. And there's ways to do this where we can have a fantastic system, but rapidly responsive. It's been outlined. We touch on some of this in the second book that's coming out,

but you've got to restore trust in our institutions. And there has to be permanent accountability rules. You are not allowed to do this. You can't do that. If you do this, any agreements we made are over. There's got to be a big house cleaning. Well, it's my understanding that if we are able to prove fraud, as you intimated, that the data was fudged or withheld, that critical safety data, for example, wasn't divulged to the public on the part of Big Pharma,

it's my understanding that if that level of fraud is exposed, then the blanket liability protection they currently enjoy would go away. You would open the door to people having legal recourse against them. Well, I'm not a lawyer, but yes, that's my understanding. And sort of a, you know, there's indications Pfizer may have already been doing a two-step process to move their assets to another little company. Some of the patents for their most profitable drugs. Pull these people in and let's investigate. That's all I can say. My goal is to help the Office of Technology Assessment become reestablished, and to work on a functional, rapid, reliable pandemic response plan. looking at trying to renew people's faith in the public health system, as well as Drew and I are

doing everything we can to renew people's faith in the ability of physicians to have robust, vigorous, respectful debate, because that has been absolutely absent. You know, you are deeply involved in pandemic response and know, you know, you seem to be somewhat prescient when you wrote your first book about the failure of the pandemic response plan. What do you see coming down the pike? You said, you know, we know there are many pathogens out there, you know, lots of things that have the ability to cause pandemics, whether it's Ebola or drug-resistant TB or whatever else. Do you foresee another pandemic coming soon?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're due for it. Already? It's so soon? Yeah. We're getting at least one new novel infectious disease agent every year, at least one. I touch on this, this concept of emerging infectious diseases in the first book, Three Seconds to Midnight. And it's somewhere around 1995, our population, global population, crossed a threshold. And now we're getting into viruses that for years were hidden deep in some jungle or forest and man starting to come in and contact this. COVID-19 didn't have to be this way. It has a very low death rate.

Right. It was almost like a manufactured pandemic without reading too much into what I just said. You wait till we get a 40% lethal influenza virus. Yeah, that's a different thing. Now the infrastructures of the city are at risk. Now food supply, gasoline, basic city infrastructures. Simeon, hemorrhagic fever is one of my worries and has been for years.

They've now found a human case last year. We had never recorded a jumping species before. And this is just one of many. That has an 80% lethality in monkeys. So with air travel, 24 hours away. Well, I've actually done this. I was in Kuala Lumpur, I don't know, about 10 years ago or so, maybe longer, and I was in a live market, wet market. And 24 hours later, I was giving a lecture at a very large institution. So, yeah. Yeah. to spread something like that quickly, something that can be aerosolized in airports,

it takes very little because the number of vectors that set off, you infect a handful of people who subsequently get on a handful of planes and go to a handful of countries, and you very quickly escalate something to a global pandemic. It can happen very, very quickly. Dr. Bakri, what did the Chinese do? The Chinese locked their own cities down internally. You couldn't travel from city to city, but they allowed over a million people

to fly to international destinations. Exactly, exactly. So it is- Wuhan to the world. Yes, indeed. Well, in the last little bit that we have here, what else would you like people to know about this? What haven't we asked about? What's the thing that Dr. Drew and I have failed to ask you about? There is some new technology coming up.

One is called disease data mining. And they've done this 20 years ago, and the WHO kind of depend on it. But there are some new systems and algorithms that were proven in 2009 by a private disease surveillance company called Veritech. They succumbed to the economic slump afterwards, but they were able to pick up the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak in Mexico before the CDC had any clue what was happening. So linking a disease surveillance system in with a response system

what we lack is what's going on in the ground we have a signal we think something's going on in wuhan how do we get people over there and verify it ourselves not through the who not through the WHO, not through anyone else. We need exploitation teams that can do that. And they have to be, why don't link everything under like a mission control? Like when we send something to the moon. You have your pandemic readiness people, your stockpile of drugs people, your surveillance system. We need to quit messing around and get a hospital surveillance system where we know exactly how many beds we have and what hospitals all over the country. That should have been done years ago.

Then we need to go after some of these people and um like you said hold them accountable doctors being threatened when i was a kid hospitals were friends of the community now they're now they're corporations it's inexcusable yeah it is inexcusable and the and the one the one sort of keeper of the hen coop are the physicians we are the only ones that really have only and just and always only the best interest of the patient in mind

we had some people asking questions people need to talk to their elected official okay you need to hold them accountable they allowed this we have a friend of the show, an infectious disease physician. He asked, did the two Lancet and New England Journal articles that were subsequently retracted because they were fabricated influence the retraction of the emergency use authorization? Absolutely.

They were the straw that broke the camel's back. The first thing that came out was the toxic Brazilian chloroquine study, where, oh, you know, chloroquine is a very dangerous drug and I'm fighting to keep it away. He's still proud of it and thinks he did something. Well, this is the evangelist. The news went crazy over that. Then there was the VA study where they took the sickest patients that were dying of cancer aids everything you can think of heart failure and they gave them hydroxychloroquine of course they died they were going to die anyway and then the game was on and the surges sell the fake Lancet paper. That was that and the recovery trial by the United Kingdom.

They didn't even give any data. They just sent out a press release saying we're dropping the hydroxychloroquine arm. It doesn't work. And that was enough to that. Then everything happened. Interesting. Well, guys, we kind of have to wrap this up. And Dr. Hatfield, we really appreciate your thoughts.

Look forward to the next book. Kelly, any final thoughts? No, I just so appreciate it again. I so appreciate you being here to bring your expertise. You bring a different, you saw this through a different lens, I think, because of not only your time in the White House, but because of your expertise as a virologist and a bioweapons person. So I think you looked at it a little differently than some of the rest of us did. So I really appreciate you coming on and spending the time with us we need this type of dialogue kelly thank you very much and and i do

think the the yes sir nice i i i do think the the the people that were present during these historic moments need to chronicle what they observed and what happened because that's the only way we're really going to prevent this from happening again it's uh and i'm telling you i you're you're i again i always walk away with headlines from these conversations and to me the headline is you saw the evangelists at work and your closing remarks here you said they still believe that what they did was the right thing shows how evangelically rigid they are and that's how doctors should never be religious in their belief systems ever you see somebody who believes they're a hero or have a religious sort of rigidity in their thinking run run run that's

not a good that's not a good fit i agree zealotry i've written papers. It's on drstephenhatfield.com, all one word. I've written them so anybody can understand them. And you can read this. They're all referenced. And they should be linked where if you click on a reference, it takes you right to the paper. You can read it yourself and make your own decisions about what happened. That's awesome. That's awesome that's fantastic so much

and thank you again we'll talk soon stephenhatfield.com and kelly as always we appreciate you being here next week we have uh we have a few people we're gonna be a little bit later next week right we're gonna be at four o'clock pacific uh and you have a couple of very exciting guests sort of on the hook, yes? I do. Yes, well, we're hoping we're going to be talking with Senator Ron Johnson in one of these coming weeks. I don't know if it's going to be next week or not. We've got Dr. Richard Urso, who is just a spectacular physician and somebody who's been on the front line of this from the beginning,

worked on the early treatment protocols, and is now working on, again, how to fix this debacle. So we've got it. And then we have Dr. Ryan Cole coming back. Did I have Dr. Cariotti on with you ever? Yes. The psychiatrist from the bioethics? Yes. I feel like we should bring him back around because he's got a lot of legal stuff he's working on. It'd be interesting to get an update on him

too. So maybe in a month or two, get him back around too. Yes. I also, uh, Dr. Brian Tyson is we're going to join us one of these, uh, weeks soon. He's got some lawsuits against, uh, all of the censorship, but again, was one of the frontline doctors treating people successfully during the heyday of the pandemic itself. And now these are the creative, courageous, critical thinking minds that we're hoping are going to help us figure out a fix to this. How can we mitigate the damage

and the adverse events that people are suffering from these injections? And so we will not be having a show tomorrow since we had a show on monday and i believe we'll be tuesday wednesday thursday next week there may be caller shows afoot um and again as i always tell people if you have suggestions who you'd like to speak to do send it to contact at dr.com susan looks at all those uh and kelly thank you so much and i'll see you next Wednesday sounds great see you Wednesday for everybody else we will see on Tuesday at 3 o'clock then Wednesday at 4 o'clock Pacific Time and

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