Ask Dr. Drew - Black Lives Matter Protests with Tyrus & Civil Rights Attorney Leo Terrell –– Episode 18

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

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I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Hey, everybody. Welcome. We are taking calls, so do call us. The number 9842-DR-DREW, is that correct? Am I getting it right, you guys? Thank you so much. We are here to be of service today, to try to calm things down and make sense of things. So I want to bring in my guest, the fair-minded civil rights attorney, Leo Terrell. Leo, welcome.

Dr. Drew, thanks for having me. A smile on my face. Glad to be here. It makes me smile just to hear your voice, my friend, and to see you. So, I am really, really really really upset about this whole thing um for a million reasons uh where are you at well uh i honestly believe there's two issues i mean the good part is there's universal acceptance feeling of george floyd was wrong about that universal acceptance. I'm upset with the way the demonstration is being handled by politicians throughout the state and the country. There are criminals out there who are looting and they're committing crimes. They should be arrested immediately. I'm bothered by the slow play of the democratic leadership in these cities and

countries. And I think it's political because people want law and order. Well, so let me sort of frame up what you're saying. You would agree it's true. Everyone is, for lack of a better way of saying it, everyone's on the same side, correct? We're all on the same side we all agree with them yes peaceful demonstrations i've seen some remarkable moments from the peaceful demonstrations things that i am so proud of and so pleased it brings tears to my eyes yet within those peaceful demonstrations there's a parasite right do you agree with that correct and so Absolutely. So my question is, how do we, I mean, the one option is just everybody off the streets know peaceful protesting, which I don't think is what we want. I think we want those peaceful protests where good things are happening to continue. But how do we allow that and extract the parasite?

You have any suggestions? Very easy. Easy. Yes, first of all, 100% behind First Amendment rights to protest. That's good. It should continue daily. That should never be infringed by the government. What I find disturbing is that the politicians characterize the small bad apples, the small percentage of bad apples, really not a big problem. So to separate the two, they need to go all out, protect the rights to protest, and go equally all out and handle these criminals. It took three

or four days for the mayor of LA to use the word criminal. He kept calling them individuals, protesters, couldn't use the word criminal. That drives me nuts. So there's a criminal element in there, and that criminal element seems to be sort of two varieties. One is the sort of firework throwing, rabble rousing, trying to evoke the police, and the other is the looters, right? There's sort of two groups in there. Would you agree? Yeah. I would agree yes so so here's what here's the conundrum that

i'm perceiving is that if i had infinite powers and was the leader of the universe i would bring in a lot of protection for the peaceful protesters i mean i would bring in so much protection for them that there'd be no doubt that no one would misbehave. But that then looks like the police state. That goes down as authoritarianism. How do we reconcile that? I think your first suggestion was correct. I would bring it over. I'll use the words of Donald Trump.

Overwhelming force as a deterrent to deter the criminals. Hey, I want the peaceful protesters to know we're here to protect you. But you see, let's be honest, I'm not gonna hold anything back. There's a political gamesmanship. You know what? There are certain mayors and governors don't want that overwhelming force. You know why? Because it's coming from the president everyone knows it I know and one last point I am sick into politicians smoking Dr King's name where they keep using this repetitive phrase the last voice of the riot is the last form of speech for a unheard protester that doesn't apply to criminals that does not apply to criminals so so so i i'm so we're kind of on the same page here so so here's the so i the other night on fox 11 i talked about how

in the psychiatric setting in the hospital we would use show of force not use of force show a force we would call it overwhelming force to prevent the need of use of force. And humans have sort of two emotional sort of momentums. They escalate and they de-escalate, right? When somebody's escalating, the way you get them to de-escalate is with overwhelming force that contains them, gets around them, and helps them kind of calm themselves down. If you give them nothing and stand away, they will not only escalate until they hurt themselves, they'll bring other people into that escalation. Yes, yes, I agree. So this is basic human behavior stuff. But I'm telling you, I was attacked for evoking authoritarianism

because of the idea of using some sort of forceful force, whatever it might be. I wish I had something magical like the Incredibles have, like a shield we could just put up around the peaceful demonstrators. We don't. We have to bring something that looks, unfortunately, unpleasant to us. Now, the problem, though, is that doesn't that become provocative at a certain point? Aren't there some people that... Go ahead. Well, here's the point. You gave an excellent medical definition of escalating the... All this nonsense. I mean, because if I'm peacefully protesting, I'm encouraged by that show of force, having those National Guard troops protect me. If I'm a criminal, I'm deterred by that overwhelming force. And that's the political

game. And when you approach this as a doctor, I wish it was a medical approach. Add that political conundrum of Democrats, Republicans, Reds, you got a headache. I'll take one last point. I apologize for being so long winded because I as a civil rights attorney, as an African-American, I'm saying that I have no problem with the show of force and those who said well my god Leo is saying this they have a hard time criticizing me because maybe I happen to be African-American but I'm telling you I want more force I want those law-abiding black white brown Americans to be protected it's I don't see how the parasite is dealt with otherwise. I know how to think as a physician, and they've got something.

The good physiology, that good system of peaceful protest is carrying something in its midst that it can't get rid of on its own. Or it doesn't seem to be able to. Maybe it could. It cannot. Yeah. It cannot. rid of on its own or it doesn't seem to be able to maybe it could maybe they cannot yeah and cannot and the police don't seem to be up i mean could the police and the sheriffs just do it do you think just with a little national guard or is there something more impossible and well here's the thing about it these criminals are very uh well organized and and when we hear the fact that

the police comes out every night and say we arrested 500 people, they released them. They're cited and released them. So you're talking about deterrent? I'm going to get a ticket. I'm not going to jail. I'll go back and loot. Come on. I mean, that's insulting the intelligence of the American public. Yeah. Well, that's the, as you and I have discussed in the past, that's the laws and policies this state and this county have adopted, right? No bail. You can steal up to $950 and only get a citation.

Looting, I think, goes down under a different category, though, right? Looting becomes a felony. At least our DA, Jackie Lacey, said that last night. Is it difficult to prove looting? No, I don't think it's difficult to prove. When you got video and you got people posing for the camera, I think the evidence is overwhelming for some of these people who are just in. It's just a little bit of investigative work.

The problem is simply this. The stomach to prosecute these people during this time period is not there. And it's not going to happen. I mean, the looters are greening away. They're not getting tickets. The people who are getting tickets are those who are breaking curfew. And I'm going to say it again, because I want to be honest, I'm not going to hold anything back. There is, again, another political element to this. The mayor of LA and mayors of other cities are afraid to alienate black voters by arresting black criminals. I see.

Crazy. Weird. But they don't want to use that word. But I'm going to call it like it is. They feel like, oh, that's our base. No. Politicians' base is not filled with criminals. They don't vote.

But they're afraid of the color. Doesn't the black community want protection from the criminals? Yes! But don't worry. Mayor Garcetti's leading us with good vibes, Leo. He's got good vibes. Every morning we're supposed to go out and hold hands.

It's all good vibes. Mayor of Santa Monica, same thing. Good vibes. I'm worrying about the police chief. Kind of good vibe be there too what what happened to leadership in this area is that is that I don't know I mean it's crazy they did this good vibe I said who are they talking to what segment of the city I mean and then you had Mayor Garcetti uh on Saturday at three o'clock question are you gonna bring in the National Guard I will not bring in the National Guard. No, no, no, no, no.

Three hours later, bring in the National Guard. They can't handle it. It's politics. It's all politics. Our city was on the day. The president wants a military state. I won't have it. He got the National Guard here. The LAPD cannot handle it. The sheriff cannot handle it.

It's too much geographical territory. It's impossible. I've got a couple things on Restream I want to address. Jason, you say the next complaint is going to be that I call rioters parasites. Yeah, I'm trying to find a language that is – part of me just goes, I'm just going to shut up and I shouldn't be saying anything. No. Why do you have to be political correct? I'm not going to be politically correct.

Why do I get to say what you cannot say? That's crazy. I appreciate that, but the complaint is about old white men. So I don't want to be part of the problem when you get right down to it, right? Uh-oh, Leo. Leo, I don't see a problem. All well when i'm with you i feel courage i feel courageous so well i i feel a little ill-equipped because i'm dealing with a very smart stop it uh person here stop it now we have a phone number taking calls it's uh oh yeah 984-237-3739. Again, 984-237-3739.

We are limiting our conversation to the outbreak of violence and the peaceful protesting and the COVID. I'm going to talk a little bit about that too, which I'm also very concerned about. Can I bring Tyrus into this conversation too, Susan? Is that okay? He's all there. I see him there and ready to go.

It's distracting me. That's why I thought I might him there and ready to go. It's distracting me. That's why I thought I might bring him in. He needs to turn his camera sideways so it's landscape. I emailed it to him. I don't know if it's, oh, there we go. Do you know Tyrus, Leo? Oh, I see him on that Greg Gutfeld show all the time. I think he has his own program as well, but I've seen him on Fox News Channel quite a lot.

I don't know him personally, but he's quite a character. You guys should know each other. I promise you, Leo, you would like Tyrus, I promise. And he's got Tyrus and Timf. He's got his own show on Fox Nation, of course, on the Great Godfield Show. Tyrus, let's bring him in. Tyrus, come on in, buddy. How are you guys

doing, all right? Good. I'm not. I'm safe, but I'm not all right. i'm really not all right i for the first time in my life i'm fantasizing about leaving the country and um are you laughing where would you go i don't know the cayman islands are closed till 2021 bro like there's nowhere to go i i don't know man i've never had that thought before, and it's certainly a fantasy. And mostly, I must tell you. You name a spot, we'll go check it out. I may come to Louisiana, man.

I may come down there. But the main thing I keep thinking about is I feel so helpless because the leadership, particularly in this part of the country is so empty it's so terrible that i don't feel safe i don't feel my family safe uh and leo you heard we were talking i mean sorry tyrus you heard what we were talking about you come on in here yeah um but let's let's but let's since we're keeping it real leadership across the board has failed us. The governor of Minnesota failed us for not having the foresight to arrest all four of those police officers. We've seen men arrest for less. You can pose, you can set up bonds, you can investigate, but he didn't have the foresight to see that that was going to be a problem. He couldn't see that the mayor um as well needs to resign we've seen

it across where politicians are afraid to do or not you know what afraid gives them an excuse are arrogant enough to put party first before people and that's what we're seeing in this country they want they're worried about being re-elected opposed to doing the job in front of them doing what's best for the people opposed to what's best for them. And that's what we're seeing. And that's what's disgusting. And it's not just Democrats, it's Republicans. We don't check ourselves. So how are we supposed to check each other? You know, and the worst, the best thing about what's going on right now is people can put on a good face for about, and you know this, dealing with people who mask behaviors and stuff.

They can give you about 72 hours of decent behavior and concern and shock and anger. But then it starts to trickle out. Then the whataboutism starts. Then the political stuff starts and the placing blank. Because apparently you cannot be livid about what happened to mr floyd and support the police apparently that's an oxymoron that's impossible you can't say that i'm against bad cops i'm i'm against rioters and looters but i can support a good cause and i can mourn the death of a fellow brother who was

killed senselessly murdered in front of us yeah you can feel all those emotions and be a good human being hey and by the way right now we're being divided and pulled i i'm gonna i'm gonna have leo speak to exactly that because leo's always walked that line he has law enforcement in his family and he weeds out bad cops because he's a fair-minded civil rights attorney right and but what i'm saying i'm listening to tyrus and everything that has come out of this man's mouth yeah i'm just saying yes yeah that's right he's absolutely on point those are decisions when you think about the whole not about yourself. And yeah, I mean, he's right on point. I mean, I have a sister, 16 years in the sheriff's department. I've been a civil rights attorney. 97% of police officers are great. They protect us at two or three in the morning. Two or three percent, those we need to

get out. Not the 97%. I love police officers but here's the problem is you like tyra said uh there's a problem there's a it can't be both you can't love police officers and love what they do and then criticize a couple of bad apples you can't do it that makes it i'll do it because i got i'm not worried about it so so i want to arm you guys with something too. Have you seen the autopsy reports where there's a lot of chatter about fentanyl and amphetamine for George Floyd? Yes. Okay. I saw that. I want you to essentially ignore that. I would get on a stand as an expert witness, if anyone should. I don't think I'd ever do it, but in this case, because it just seems too much, but I would do it under oath, is that this fentanyl contributed,

but it's not the proximate cause. Even if it's the case that he took a large dose to hide it from the police or something, which I've seen that speculation out there, that did not cause him to die. That made it easier to kill him. And those are two very different things. And the amphetamine might have made him more cantankerous and more difficult to kill him. And those are two very different things. And the amphetamine might have made him more

cantankerous and more difficult to deal with. But, hey man, those are my patients you're mistreating. Don't disparage them. They need a different kind of help than certainly not being killed. So please arm yourself with my point of view on this. I don't

think it makes a damn bit of difference, except it makes it more of a tragedy from my perspective. I don't care if he was a crackhead. I don't care if he robbed the store without a weapon and came out. I don't care if he was the worst human being in that

neighborhood. There is no justification for a man who is complying with being arrested to have his life taken that way i there's i don't care what he was as a person and that's not who he was but my point is it does not matter right rights are rights right it is not a death sentence for stealing a $20 bill yeah or a counterfeit and i'll echo echo what Dr. Drew just said. The officer's conduct on Mr. Floyd's neck was the causation, the proximate cause of that death.

In other words, Floyd would not have died at that moment but for the conduct of the officer. Very simple. Straightforward. very simple straightforward so other than me driving to Tijuana or something what what what are we to do I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you the nano on that one dog well you guys you know tires tires I don't understand why dr. Drew feel like he can't say what you and I are saying well dr. Drew you're you're in you're on you're speaking your mind tires is speaking his mind i'm giving my opinion i don't feel like i have to leave the country i i'm not pulling my

punches i'm feeling like i'm the the problem and therefore who am i to say anything that's sort of the feeling i have no i think you are you because you are doing what as a black man I've tried not to do My entire life is be grouped into Something you're being blamed Yes there are some Wretched old white men in this country There's generations of old Wretched white men in this country But there are generations of great

Old white men in this country In this country that have done Amazing things we just never hear about Don't get it twisted you cannot Have a movement without old white in this country that have done amazing things. We just never hear about them. Don't get it twisted. You cannot have a movement without old white men helping you. And you can't get anything without everybody putting in. Not one group's going to get it done.

So unfortunately, you carry your sensitivity, which is one of the greatest things about you, is a weakness. At some point, you have to say, yeah, I know some old white men that are some bastards but i'm not one of them just like i know some brothers in my neighborhood that are not good people i'm not that that's right first of all leo didn't i tell you told you you like him oh he's right now i told you you don't need me here you don't need me here i'll just listen to him. He's on point. I told you.

I told you, number one. Number two, it's because of the support of my friends that I can calm down and take a more sensible kind of feeling to everything. But I do believe, and I believed this during the pandemic, that difficult times make for important. It's time to be an adult. It's time to step up and do things. And if I can do something, like this podcast, this stream,

is trying to do something to calm people down, give good information out. We've done it throughout the pandemic. But still, the mob behavior is so out of control that it gets very difficult to keep your head up, particularly when you look like what I look like. Right? That's the way it is you gotta i mean you gotta you gotta ignore those people on social media those people do not control or represent mainstream or or represents 30 of the views this they represent about 10 percent of the other internet of the no no 10% of the people on the internet not the

good boy I get it twisted they're not that deep you're right Caleb's back that's right preach the day that we decide that likes have no currency yeah have no emotions that does not mean you're smart does not mean you're successful, does not mean you're successful, handsome, beautiful, or whatever it is. Those likes are just what they are. And we need to start to realize that when you say things, I never speak going, man, I hope Instagram and Twitter like what I say. I say, if my fans appreciate it, cool. If they don't, I don't expect you to be sheep I'm not I don't have to agree with anything I can literally think some things the president

does is straight stupid and some things he does is good because I'm a grown-ass man I pay my bills I worry about my family and you speak your mind you should never be ashamed of what you have to say especially if you believe what you're saying you have some intelligence to back it up the key ingredient is intelligence because there's a lot of dumbasses out there who are excited and just want to run their mouths those are the people you have to shine on you don't even engage with them because they have all the answers it's not worth it it is one of the reasons why i have been self-employed all my life for this same discussion i i can sleep with a good conscience i don't have to worry about someone else. Self-employment has given me the freedom to be very...

So I chime in on what Tyrus just said. So let's... Let's talk about solutions a little bit. We're sort of going down that path. I think, Tyrus, you heard Leo and I talking about escalation and de-escalation and authoritarianism and being provocative versus being containing and de-escalating do you have any ideas what or is this just an inexorable devolution into some sort of

our military action is just eventually going to happen and that's just the way it goes and we can't stop it uh you know the last thing you want to see is military neighbors and brothers and sisters coming down american citizens that none of us want to see that and we hope that it doesn't get to that but it goes back to politicians doing what's best for the people and not themselves you when a politician says i'll never do this i've already tuned them out you know i'm not calling national guard that that resource is there for a reason and so if your main goal is to provide safety and protect property which is what their initial job that's what is a politician's number one job is most politicians have failed miserably at that Yes, you can do things you can you can

Make an area you can have a point of if the mayor says I will be at this park to answer questions To support your protest Here you give them an area this space where your voices will be heard. The press will be there We will have this dialogue you give them the venue venue they don't feel like they have to take it you give them the square you give them the area and then you to those leaders this is where you will have your pulpit if you go outside of this if you go into neighborhoods and scare residents and destroy property or whatever happens we will act accordingly it's kind of protesters would i would think would go there i i got to tell you tyrus i see leo

smiling and nodding but but it's kind of what they tried to do here i agree isn't it isn't that what they tried to do here and it just it just fell apart after the fact no no they tried like in riverside last night they really tried to do that. And then the curfew... But that's last night. Okay, alright. Fair enough. Yeah, I mean, too little, too late. And...

They're still there. They're available for... And they don't want... Ridiculous. Alright, let me... This is a question, a caller for Leo. Let me get him on here. Hi, Rory. It's Leo Terrell. Yeah, hi there, Dr.

Drew. Thanks for having me on. My question is to Mr. Terrell as a civil rights lawyer. You mentioned momentarily ago, just in relation to the possibility of Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. And I know that the last time that was invoked

was in 1992 during the Rodney King riot. I wonder how close you think we are to seeing the Insurrection Act being reignited and whether or not the fact that we need or don't need consent from the state governor would play into that decision. Okay, it's a great question. Did you hear it? I can repeat it if you need it. Yeah, I got the gist of it. And I'll tell you right now, right now there are National Guard troops ready to be utilized if requested. Because Governor Newsom has much more than the guards that have been sent to L.A. So the question is, is there enough National Guard? Yes. Are they currently being utilized?

Very direct. If you don't use them, then I will get involved. So there's a step in between the president getting involved and whether or not the governor and the mayor are going to utilize the existing National Guard within the state and within any state. Do either of you know what the threshold is that has to be utilized for that Insurrection Act? Is there some sort of criteria that have to be met, Leo? Well, I'll tell you, there's been three examples

that have been used. The 1992 riots, John F. Kennedy used it in 1962 in Alabama, and Dwight Eisenhower used it in 57 Little Rock. When there is a enforcement of a constitutional act to desegregate or a federal law, that would be enough of a standard for the president to implement the Insurrection Act. And so what would the Constitution... And it's been used three times. And what would the constitutional law be in this case? Oh, well, first of all, to put down a civil disobedience, a riot to restore law and order in the country. And that's a very well justified reason for bringing the federal troops.

And it was done without any opposition or without any judicial challenge. And by the way, you mentioned civil disobedience. That's another group within the peaceful protesters that are not the criminal element, not the parasite. They're actually trying to use civil disobedience to make a point. That group I could kind of stand by, by the way, because they're not really doing anything dramatic except usually breaking the curfew or something like that. And civil disobedience does have a role. And if I understand some of the goals of Black Lives Matter, civil disobedience would be part of their, it would be

defensible given their goals. Do you agree? I had no problem with civil disobedience. I don't have a problem with that at all. Go ahead, Tyrus. Once you get into destruction of property, once you get into assault on residents. The greater good is to protect the people and some cases, unfortunately, from the people.

Do I want to see the military in my neighborhood? No. No, but you know what? When you see videos of people being beaten to damn near death trying to defend their business or their home or their wife, it's hard to look at them and say, well, it's coming or we're going to do something you that overwhelms it Mr. Floyd was killed with ruthless aggression And when we're seeing ruthless aggression from riders and fake protesters at that point We're going to have to have that conversation later on Because we have to maintain order and we have to protect our citizens Who don't deserve to be beaten beaten or destroyed or the livelihoods.

I mean, we're already drowning in a pandemic. Our economy, 40 million people are out of work. Some of those jobs aren't coming back. People are stressed. They got a stipend, but that doesn't mean their bills aren't going away. The rent's not going to magically disappear you now have two months rent to pay when you get back on your feet that's right you know like let's not let's not get it twisted the stress across the board is immense

and then you throw this on top of it so you almost have to now more than ever rely on we need extra hands out there you need more boots on the ground to set up like you said deterrence but give people protection let somebody look outside his window and be like okay there's some soldiers on my street i i think we're going to be okay tonight and yeah i do you guys think that the majority yeah yeah yeah they're picking the economic look at 92 riot some of those businesses were burned down. They have never returned. So not only you're talking about the pandemic, how it affects people of color. Look what happened. They burned down buildings and businesses, jobs that could have been available for them, which are gone. So you have the economic loss as well as the personal property destruction. We're going to have to get, but we just lost a lot of jobs in the future

as a result of these riots. This feels so different than that. That was a collective outrage, period. This is a collective outrage that literally everybody shares. And within that, there's a group of people that wants anarchy and it's the anarchists that it seems like are the problem here not not anybody else

unless i'm missing something and i'm wondering if most people agree with you on this yeah i think unless you're the part of the anarchist or the part that just doesn't this doesn't care i think we we have to realize that there is a part of the anarchists or the part that just doesn't this doesn't care i think we we have to realize that there is a part of this country that unfortunately wants to see it burn things didn't go their way they they have an out for everything you know the the election didn't go the way they wanted to um their life isn't going the way they wanted to everything they have an out for everything that's wrong in their life uh even let's say president trump was the most worsenest president of all time he's only gonna be around for four years you're saying like you can vote him out and if he's around it's only

eight years and we've re this country people have overcame a lot a lot less try having 400 years on your back you know what i'm saying like there's worse things but but they turn it into this this victim the victimization yeah yeah and now victimization goes with violence i'm a victim so i can do i can burn a building down because they were hating on me i mean literally that literally, that's a real conversation. Like, think about that. But, like, now you're a victim, so therefore I can do whatever I want because I'm a victim. The system's out to get me. And it's easy to turn into people that are in any way against you,

into cartoon characters that must be bad people because they disagree. I have one overriding concern, though, which is that, Tyrus, you're going to usurp my position as Leo Terrell's boyfriend. I can see it on his face right now. I can see it. It's happening right now. I disagree with this man's own point. I like what he says. It's my first time I've been on the

show with him. He's on point. I know he is. I told you. I introduced you to him. You're reading my mind. I like the smile. I like the guy. guy it's smart he's on point man let's um gotta give him his dude uh let me get uh monique here speaking of 92 monique has a hair raising story to tell us and monique what it's been an hour since i talked to you last i know right i did call you on the Adam Carolla show this morning. I just talked to her. How's it going? Good. So what's up? Okay.

So I apologize. I'm going to stand still because I don't want to lose break service here. But yeah, unfortunately, in 1992, my sister was 16 years old and she was kidnapped, raped and murdered during the Rodney King riots. And everything that man Tyrus is saying right now is on point. I think, Dr. Drew, I think it's important for you to realize that your voice is important. It's important to me because I keep trying to find the strength to share my story so people can understand. And at the heart of it, I do agree that our politicians have literally left us out to fend for ourselves.

And I'm hoping that someone will stand up and take pragmatic, altruistic actions. Well, Monique, you heard how upset I was talking to Adam. These guys are reassuring to me. Adam got me more upset. Yeah, I know. It's one of those things. I'm a white girl. I'm a white girl with blue eyes, and I can't do anything about it.

Right. So that's the deal. I can't do anything about it. I get the helplessness. I get it. I don't know if you heard Adam did make a point. Please take care of that PTSD and take care of yourself. We don't want this to be so overwhelming because it must be triggering all

this. But the fact is it's the helplessness. And do you guys, either of you guys see somebody that could emerge as a leader? Cause we need, it's like we, there's a vacuum and into vacuums, not good things go.

And so we are in desperate need of somebody of of stature to step up leo you're nodding your head who do you have any candidates i i let's say first of all there is no black leader i've been asked that there's no black leader of the black community we're not monolithic but yesterday i was so so impressed with Terrence Floyd. Yeah. The brother. The brother. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. He said, this violence, stop it. You're not half as mad as I am. And secondly, go vote. Pick candidate. Work within the system. It was so refreshing and so real. And, and hey that's a guy who i would follow all right so let's let's come in right there let's get let's get him out in front i love that i love

that how about you i just challenge anyone to start running for office start getting in there change the game you know in the local level don't just assume you're gonna give it up to the same the same all every day if you got instead of protesting has its place but you want to make change you got to get your hands dirty you got to get in there you got a you got to get in legislation you got to understand you got a you got to be a voice that actually can have actions behind it in terms of if you run. Yeah, talk to my wife. Dr. Drew, Tyrus is talking to you right now.

Tyrus is talking to you, Dr. Drew. Look how upset I get with all the negative stuff. I'd have to become completely tough on all of them. I would be okay with a pissed off politician. I would be okay if I turned on my tv and i had a pissed off senator going this is enough of this we're gonna we're gonna get to this stuff we're gonna get to the bottom of this we're not gonna have this anymore i'm okay with a pissed off politician because that means he's emotionally involved and he gives me i don't need to hear any more

speeches about well we all have to stay calm no we don't well those pieces those are not being calm those speeches are bullshit yeah they those mean nothing they are nothing if you look if you look at any of martin luther king jr's speeches they are passionate they are loud they are aggressive and you but the message was that of peace but he did not speak with a soft voice he was boisterous and he was loud and he was powerful and he was emotional and what he said don't get it twisted i have a dream and they think that's it this man was powerful and when he spoke people stopped to listen because his message was of peace but his voice was loud and we need to start getting them some of those loud voices voice was loud and we need to start getting

them some of those loud voices in the politics and we don't you don't need to be a lawyer to be a senator you and i prefer you weren't you know i'm saying like you can be a teacher you could be a career anything else because if we have different people from different walks of life and different points of view we we have a better government. It's not just the old white guys league anymore. You want to get in the league? We got to get on the game and start making changes. I want to get Zach in here.

Zach has a really, really rough question, and I get it. So, Zach, let's hear it. Zach? Oh, hey, guys. Hey, man. So, can you hear me yep gotcha okay so just a little backstory i'm in minnesota i'm a musician in the twin cities area and my wife and i our whole circle of friends have this thing where if you criticize the riot at all, they will gang up on you and jump on you

like online. And I think everybody is in agreement that what happened to George Floyd was probably the worst thing that's ever happened in our state, at least in recent memory. So my big question is, how would I navigate having these conversations with people without jeopardizing any future career things in the music industry in Minnesota? And friendships, too. But this is what I was asking earlier. I heard earlier in our conversation, Zach.

I was trying to come up with a language that we could use that could help separate peaceful protests from criminal elements. And very quickly, it gets hard. But, Leo, go ahead. No, I gave my answer earlier. I mean, I'm going to be true to myself. I mean, you heard what Tyra said about being able to support the police but yet call out a bad officer Hey, I got no problem saying that I got no problem saying hey, I believe in supporting the protesters But put those criminals behind but I got no price easy for me. Oh, hey

Not a problem. I would I would I would I would say Sometimes it's better not to have that conversation with that group. If their emotions are so high, if I will not have a conversation with anyone who knows it all, I will not have a conversation with anyone who, when I say, well, I think, well, let me tell you this, I need to realize that there is no point there is no point and i will not bother so i would suggest what i would suggest you're not going to change how they feel about anything i would change the conversation like there's if you cannot have common ground and be able to ask a question because that's the that's the

biggest thing i don't know what your ethnicity is i'm i are you white black what's your ethnicity jack what's your ethnicity very white from a very small town in north dakota okay that's what I thought. And you have questions. And you want to ask questions. And that's where, and this is what I worry, if white people come up to me and ask me a question from a general place, and there's a lot of concern because they're like, well, I didn't realize that this was happening, because in their world they weren't seeing it.

And when it does happen, they think it's like an isolated incident. Like, oh, it's never happened. So when they ask questions, you can be offended at their ignorance and be like, how, you know, and shun them and talk trash if they ask a question coming from a good place. Or you could educate them to the best of your knowledge and the best of your emotions because I don't have all the answers either. Sometimes it's better to be like, when starts jumping off like anybody want to rehearse anybody want to jam out and play some music i think sometimes especially online because

everyone's everyone's a gangster online everyone's tough everyone's six eight three hundred and sixty five pounds benches six hundred pounds that's me but i'm just saying that that's who they are that's who they are online so sometimes it's better for you to be like, you know what? I'm going to wait this one out because you're right. You are true. You are damned if you do. And Dan, if you don't now, silence, you're not being silent. You're not playing games on the internet. I can relate to that on the golf course. Sometimes when people are going to a total different direction that I know there's no way they're going to entertain my opinion, I'll do exactly what Tyra said. Now, I'm going to sit this one out. That's exactly true.

I've also heard people complain about white folk asking for direction and understanding. And I've just read a whole article on that saying that African Americans are tired of that right now. Read, everybody. Read. Don't read the press. Read history. I'm going to tell you something. Go ahead, Tyrus. Go ahead. You should be

as exhausting, and I'm putting the quotes up, you should be thankful that they're asking because there's a huge population who's not asking and until that group starts asking questions starts being concerned we're going to be in this conversation again so is it annoying that somebody's trying to understand is it really or is that your arrogance or is that your own bitterness because we're we're bitter we're angry You know when these things happen

When when you think about whenever you get pulled over by a police officer your heartbeat goes up You start talking yourself like literally you're psyching yourself up and jump off a diving board because you're like, all right Make sure my hands are out. Make sure where's my license with my registration? I don't want oh shit It's in the it's in the glove box and my driver's license and the thing these are all the things that go through my mind when i get pulled over because that's what i grew up from la i grew up in that stuff you know i had good cops and i'm like your finger please let this be a good one if it's a good one you're gonna have a good experience you know what i'm saying and when he says yeah do you know where you're feeling that's true back there oh yes officer yes officer i was uh going 10 miles

over the speed limit you'll be like well slow down thank you officer so much and you know where you're speeding back there oh yes officer yes officer i was uh going 10 miles over the speed limit you'll be like well slow down thank you officer so much and you know what you have a great day and thank you for not being who you could have been you know i'm saying there's a lot of stress right there so to ask those questions sometimes you don't want to hear but now more than ever it should be a good thing and we need to as as black people we also need to understand they don't necessarily relate because they haven't had that experience and they don't know police officers that way they know them on the first name basis they're in their neighborhoods you know they have barbecues together and stuff and unfortunately we're not having those barbecues so they have different experiences and you really need to be open-minded but if you start

to ask a question and they don't care they're no better off than the people who've made up their mind that we're all criminals anyways you know so you just just you play your instrument man and just move on i'm scheduled to be at dr drew's house for a barbecue when in july dr drew we have a barbecue i'm gonna bring tyrus because irus. I know I'm done with you. You're done with me, rather. Stop saying that. I'm scheduled for a barbecue at Dr. Drew's house, Tyrus, in July. I want you to come out over.

He'll be here. It depends on COVID. It depends on COVID. We'll distance. It's fine. I'm still social distancing. I'm still social distancing. Me too. Hey, Zach, I will tell you a book that I thought I was semi-enlightened, and a book that really moved me forward was Frederick Douglass' biography. It's long.

Great book. And it will be worth your time spent. He opens in the introduction, he opens with Frederick Douglass, his friend, excoriating his friend Abraham Lincoln for being a white supremacist. And I was like, what? his friend, excoriating his friend Abraham Lincoln for being a white supremacist. And I was like, what? I know he was a racist, but I didn't know he was a white supremacist. And I'll be goddamned if just that one speech didn't just move me a giant leap forward.

And so go read that. It'll change everything for you. We have submerged, gentlemen, the worst period of American history, which was the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. That was so bad. That's like the 1918 flu. We're pretending it didn't happen. It was so bad that it just was at least pushed out of white consciousness because that was, I mean, I thought I understood American history

until I really started reading about that, and I just took my breath away. And the fact that Frederick Douglass was able to attain the things he attained and not be on the end of a rope is amazing. They burned his house down, dude. They burned his house down. They burned his newspaper down. They made him miserable.

The only place he found refuge was in Europe. Think about that. And the greatest hairdo of all time. It's still good. It's still good. Still works today. Today. Oh, you guys, I'm emotional and I'm tired.

I am so tired. Here we go. Let's talk a little COVID for a second. This is Cody. Hey, cody what's going on hey how's it going dr joe good man hey buddy what's up so i was wondering if with covid happening and then uh these riots happening and um all the distress in America. Do you think there's any deeper implications to this? I understand big deal with COVID, big deal with black rights and police brutalities, but do you think that there's possibly something we're not seeing?

Do you mean are there sinister forces working in the background um not so much that like um like things like this happened so now it's like they're just there's political people that are accenting what's going on like okay so so i get your question put out by the cops and things like that okay Okay, so let me give you my, I have two sort of general reactions to that. One part of me goes, is this something about the march of history where we are with the generational wheel turning, where this generation is discharging something that we can't really see until the history books are written? Something like that is happening.

I don't know what exactly that is. It's some sort of historical force at work. It has been made worse by COVID for sure. Locking people up and ruining their businesses for three months creates all kinds of energy and emotions. And I have no doubt that there are foreign agents taking advantage of stuff here. And I have no doubt that there are foreign agents taking advantage of stuff here. And I have no doubt that there are different kind of political organizations, something, the proud boys, Antifa, all these guys taking advantage of the

peaceful protest, we see it, we see people taking advantage of it, so the extent. And then there's even another question I have in my mind, is this going to result in another great awakening or something in America where people turn back towards religion or something as part of that historical move Leo you go first what do you think I you know what to me I don't have I've been telling people I got to either wait till January of 2021 before I can get a grip on what's going on I need because it because you look at what has gone on this year, so as far as impeachment proceedings, unrelated,

but the death of Kobe Bryant, pandemic, the riots, all this stuff is so unique, historic. I just got off an interview, I said, talk to me about that in January 2021, because I can't get a grip on what's happening right now in the world can't it's all his story man and when you're living history you can't tell what's going on you have to figure it out after the side of it tyrus uh i have i think january 21 is a great, great call because I have, you look at the pulse of the nation. I'm coming from, I came from the ground up, you know, and when, so I feel like I'm able to kind of look at things from a different perspective.

When I look at things and how they are in the neighborhoods and the streets and the division and stuff my biggest concern is coming off of this depending on when um the officer and the officers go to trial depending on how that goes uh we're looking at another riot then if things don't go if things if one of those jurors is um uncertain so so pro-cop that he's blinded by the difference between a good cop and a bad cop um then you got coming off of that whenever that is then we have this election i'm not sure how the other side is going to react to not getting their will. You know, like I, this all goes back. I, when I look at this situation, I always say to Mitch McConnell, was that justice pick worth this, this division, this I'm going to get Barack Obama out in one term pledge that you had this, this plan to be defiant and disrupt

everything that he was doing and then as soon as we got a republican president in the democrats fell in line and did the same exact thing to an even greater extent an impeachment of one-sided impeachment which we've never had in this country nixon's own party was like he gotta go you know what i'm saying like yeah we have we have started this fight the and there you go there's one old white man who started a fight i don't think he quite understood because he wanted to get his policy and he didn't want to give up a supreme court pick to the democrats so now they're like fine we're not going to honor your president we're going to we're going to monkey wrench everything but what they didn't realize is a trickle-down effect divisions now your political your republican your democrat is now

new religion yeah well that's why anybody says anything about your religion you're ready to fight for that's right you're going to die for it yep that's the lines that they have they have drawn so then now we're going into this election to where before the covid pandemic happened there was no reason for me to believe that president trump wouldn't be re-elected just based off the economy and jobs. It's very hard to have a one-term president if you have a good economy and you have jobs. Those are two factors that will carry you through, and rightfully so. You should get eight years if you're keeping us food on our table, jobs, and opportunities to grow in this country. Now you have these things and now you have the democratic parties.

Like as long as this continues, we have a good shot at taking it down. And the Republicans are, we need to get out of this as soon as possible. So we can not allow that instead of parties doing what's best for mankind, which then results in an election where if, if Biden wins, who's to say that the Republican this is rigged this is fixed you know because they spent so long trying to say all our elections are rigged and fixed you know and if trump wins is this the edge that gives that extreme left

enough to get more than a couple hundred or a thousand in the streets is this enough to get a million in the streets like i'm very concerned with how the losing side accepts the fate of this country because of the things that we have done yeah and this is a microcosm of what's to come and i'm just i i the only thing i lose sleep about thinking about is what the hell is going to happen when you don't get your way yeah now see now you're making me feel better now now i'm looking at the plane flights again i'm looking at i'm looking at the schedule united airlines i'm going to get out of here united or something i don't know delta delta okay i'm gonna go down and visit you in the south let's talk to i think this is Jorge. Jorge, is that you?

Yes. How's it going, Dr. Drew? Hi, buddy. What's up? Leo. Tyrus, how are you guys doing? Welcome. Good.

Maintaining. Good. Good to hear. So I just wanted to ask, I've been listening to you for a while, Dr. Drew, and I heard you mention in the past how mom and being mom mentality within society is part of the problem with some of these issues happening in our culture. And as a millennial, I find that that is a bit of a problem with my peers. So I was just wondering if you guys think that that's a bit of what's going on throughout the country. I do in that I wanted to include in a chapter in the book I wrote on narcissism 10 years ago about pre-revolutionary France and the instinct to sacrifice. Humans, when they have a lot of childhood trauma, they will act out collectively in essentially human sacrifice.

They call it scapegoating. Scapegoating behaviors becomes a way that people unify together to focus their aggression, particularly when they've been traumatized. And I kind of predicted this. I predicted something like this had to happen. I did not perceive, I did not know about Twitter and social media and how it would be this ongoing wave after wave of mob action. But the mob is an extremely gratifying, emotionally regulating phenomenon that people aren't aware of.

And some people have written about it over the years, and they actually argue about it. But I'm going to tell you, I saw it coming. It's here, and it requires sacrifice. It requires blood. And that's the cancel culture on the internet and in social media. But now out in the world, you're seeing it in a little more concrete way. So it's deeply concerning. It's deeply concerning.

Mobs can be very, very dangerous. People lose. Mobs are not rational period do you guys have concerns about that listen you see a mob uh when when your favorite team wins a championship and the crowd ends up burning the town down yeah and that's a happy moment right mobs is something about when a group of young men get together yeah and get too hype bad things happen yeah and um it's always something we're gonna have to worry about and now we have to worry about the mob that thinks it's doing the right thing that there isn't remorse for what they've done or an excuse or alcohol it's premeditated it's planned and it's embraced so that mob mentality

is something and there's no accountability it was part of a group right you lose yourself you lose yourself in the group you're not it wasn't me it was the group i was just a piece of it i don't really i'm not really responsible yeah i was yeah i didn't yeah and that's and that spreads yeah you know and the only thing the mob wants is more people to join the mob right and that's where before you get to that point you have to have the common sense to go my message you're never going to get your message out burning down a building and then the scary part is a lot of them don't have a message they just want to see it burn and it's hard to deal with that it's hard to figure out it's hard to answer that and and leo um people on the restream here on my i watching comments go by. They're commenting that you're awfully quiet.

You're enraptured by Mr. Tyrus. I spoke. I'm listening. I'm a lawyer. I've been processing. I'm processing. I'm glad I wore long sleeves today. I'm giving my opinion.

I've been good. I spoke a lot. You've been good. I like to listen. I'm learning myself. You've been good. I spoke a lot. You've been good. I like to listen. I'm learning myself. You've been good. I'm a sponge. Well, let's kind of, I'm going to wrap us up here,

and I'm going to talk a little COVID at the very end. But let's just sort of, where are we going? How long is this going to last? What's our sort of, let's sort of, each of you give me a little prediction and a little pep talk on the way out. Leo, you first. Thank you very much. Today I was watching the extender to the protesters. It was a good day. I mean I saw tremendous, I saw a good feeling of people in our country. And this is what the protest was to talk about making some serious changes.

Now, the key is going to be whether or not there is what we talked about earlier, Dr. Drew, this confidence of deterrent for those who are out to create problems and that security of I can protest peacefully. And I see that right now hasn't been determined yet and until that's determined i don't see an end date for this at this moment so i'm up in the air when we'll where when this will end and where it will go because there's that comfort of security out there on the streets yet leo we may have to have you back to reassess in a week or two but thank you sir and tyrus i think um the quickest fix would be the other three individuals being arrested i think that

would calm some of the tensions with the protesters um and i think that would quell things down a little bit in terms of feeling the need to be out there to push that point until they have justice. We will not cooperate. Seeing those three other individuals arrested, I think would give them some justice would give me just would call my anger. I think that that whole phenomenon, I'm reading things that lead me to believe that's more complicated than we know. The Attorney General of the state did look at that, and he was hell-bent on getting them arrested, and apparently there's not enough evidence. In fact, those three, I'm hearing, I'm no expert in this,

but I'm hearing that they were, in fact, trying to help save this guy, that they were all along parents saying things that were trying to be helpful for him but they did stand down for sure there's no doubt about it and they do I I don't disagree with you because all you gotta do is push his ass off it and be like too much bro and that's why I don't I call it wasn't for that video across the street and the autopsy that says it was pain also pressure on his back that didn't come from the individual who's in jail right now i will not say his name because he will not live in infamy in my out of my mouth he's no different than someone who shot up a movie theater

as far as i'm concerned oh so there was you're talking about the guy the guy see the guy that was with the guy on the neck that's that's the guy we should focus on. Yes? All of them. All you had to do was put your hand on his shoulder and say, I got it. You're too close to it. Step back. Leo, go ahead. I'm sorry. The prosecution has been politicized. It's been transferred

from the county district attorney to Keith Ellison. I was sick when I heard that. It's now politicized because he is not a career politician. I mean, when I heard that. Why? It's now politicized. Because he is not a career politician, I mean a career prosecutor. He's a politician. So he's using this for fortune and fame. What Tyrus said earlier, or is it about the public? The fact that this case was transferred to the Attorney General is a nightmare. Keith Ellison is out for Keith Ellison. Couldn't you argue that politically, hopefully he will act politically and have these guys

arrested and then let the career people take the mill through the court system? You can't say that. But what I'm, my biggest concern is the politician. Let the trained prosecutors handle, not a politician, not the trained prosecutors handle it. Not a politician. Not a former congressman. He hasn't been in a courtroom in years. I can sit here and tell you right now, and I am bragging, I'm a better prosecutor than he is. Well, I do that.

You should get the career prosecutor. As we're discussing all of this this makes my point if you are willing to walk in the face of the police if you are willing to march at your own peril because you are so outraged and disgusted at what happened to that man until there is complete justice for mr floyd you're going there the protest has no reason to stop all the points you could make men have been arrested for less when the autopsy came out which Spiked up things when they they both autopsies agreed. It was a homicide one tried to say it was cornered The other one said it was a 58

But the woman the asphyxiation said there was also pressure on the small of his back Which means the other officer when you look at the video that was taken from across the street And there was three guys kneeling down on him, that was all you needed to see to make the arrest. We'll arrest everyone, get a good lawyer, pay your bond, get out, we'll see if they go through a grand joy. You can always have charges dropped or dismissed, or he's a person of interest. There was a million things he could have done for the betterment of the people. Put the people first. I'm not willing to risk my reputation.

You know, I got to get this right. Who is that? You already started off. I saw a press conference where the AG was saying, you know, it's taking time because I want to make sure I got it right. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that. This isn't Batman. He's a politician. Okay? right. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that. This isn't Batman. He's a politician.

Okay? Yeah, that's a political answer. I'm going to arrest everybody, and we'll sort it out later. Because I have literally been in a situation where three of us are standing there, one of us shoplifted, all three of us got it right, and they figured it out. And that's on a small level. We didn't kill a man on video. And until that happens, you cannot come to the protesters with anything else but that. And until they get that, this isn't gonna stop. Well, then what is the delay, Leo?

Again, I don't see a delay. There's no excuse for delay. Problem of cause is such a standard. It's such a low charge. And so she could charge easily. There's gamesmanship here. Let me give you one other point. Again, again, it's all politics. The civil, and I'm changing subjects slightly, but it proves my point. Benjamin wannabe Johnny Cochran Crump, the civil attorney for the family. They invited Joe Biden to the funeral. Oh, gosh. They're politicizing the one aspect of this entire matter everybody agrees with.

I mean, it's a game played. And, again, going back to what Tyra said, how can I take advantage of this situation? It makes me just totally sick and throw my hands up. So, again, I'm thinking about airlines again. What do you guys talk about? Because it feels like they're preparing to do nothing. Well, I have no comment. I don't want to speculate.

Then you're going to have to rely on the military, and you're going to have to rely on those types of drastic measures to ensure safety. To Leo's point, Tyrus, if the bar for probable cause, just like this is kind of what I was thinking, like let the system mill it through, but arrest the guys and put it through. Why not? I don't understand. What's holding that back? the system mill it through but but arrest the guys and put it through why not what do you what

i i don't understand what what's holding that back it's kind of confusing i mean i can speculate all day but uh self-serving purposes um uh politically it might look bad with the police department police has a lot of weight with elections and things like that and support you need to want the police chief to support you. You want those type of things are important to you, I guess. But I don't think there's a police chief out there that would look at that video and say, oh, you know what? Yeah, we can figure it out. I think unilaterally across the board.

Oh, yeah. Everyone is outraged. Oh, yeah. No, no. They're all on the brink. But until you do that, until you, I i just i i'm not there's no reason to bs in this situation me personally i'm not gonna be satisfied till all three are arrested and i'm not and that's not a has nothing against police officers i feel all four were just or were

wrong where he murdered him you were complicit and one of you assisted with the knee on the small of his back based off one but nobody stepped in, and nobody was the police officer out of those four individuals. We just needed one man to say, hey, bro, no. Let me offer a medical opinion that just occurred to me, too, is that there was no evidence of crushing of his larynx or the kinds of things we associate with asphyxiation. But you have somebody on a big dose of fentanyl and you push on their back, it's pretty easy to get them not to breathe. So it

may have been the guy on the back more responsible than the, even though we don't like the picture of the guy on the neck, the medical reality is possibly the guy on the back, which I didn't, I didn't really quite understand as you explained it, Tyrus. That's the last thing you want to do with somebody on fentanyl. So he might be the more proximate issue, which is kind of crazy, right? Well, like I said, I'm speaking from personal experience. I bounce clubs. I worked in L.A. I was a bodyguard.

I had to take several means in dealing with people that were endangering my client's life. I had to break up. I was in fights, brawls. I had a guy spit on me one night, and I wrapped him up. And I used to put guys to sleep. I'd wrap this around them, squeeze, wait for them to drop, and they would wake up. That guy was me. That was me.

Yeah, probably. And I apologize. Statues of limitations around. He's been looking for you ever since. But what I'm saying and my point is, there was nights where a guy spit on my face and it was hanging off and I wanted to pummel him. And I remember being mad and holding him on the ground and trying to grind my fist into him. And my buddy, thank God, I had a buddy who said, hey, gee, you're too close to it, man. Back up. I'll take it from here. And I was able to calm down

listen to him and not make a mistake it would have haunted me for the rest of my life no i get it and all it takes is one one cop to one of those good cops we talk about and praise that's when we need you to step up and police the police so so they're the only ones that can fix this i know people are asking me on the restream to explain the chest and the back thing. I just said, look, fentanyl decreases your drive to breathe dramatically. That's why people just die on it. If you obstruct the airway or decrease the movements of the chest, you get the same result. So it's just an interesting thing to me that we all are very,

very focused on the image that that we find so terrible disgusting but it actually might be more the guy with the neck and the chest the uh knee in the in the thorax because that prevents the chest from expanding it's a crush injury and fentanyl further decreases that drive so it's kind of a really or maybe the combo of the two of them maybe the one was a little bit on the airway but didn't crush the airway and the other was diminishing the chest's ability to move. But to Tyrus's point, that guy has to be looked at. Gentlemen, I'm feeling a little better. I'm still upset and stirred, but I thank you.

Thank you. I'm putting away the United Airline flight schedule. I feel like I can do that now. And I appreciate the pep talk, too, and that it's time for us all to stand forward. And that we have maybe a leader in Terrence Floyd. I want to really seek him out and watch him because we've got to have somebody that we can focus on here. Otherwise, it's just the aggression getting focused rather than the inspiration. It was a pleasure, sir.

All right, gentlemen. Good conversation. Yes, sir. Thank you very much for your time, gentlemen. All right. See you soon. Thank you a pleasure. All right, gentlemen. Yes, sir. Thank you very much for your time, gentlemen. All right. See you soon. Thank you, gentlemen. All right, guys. I'm going to stay with it for a second and talk to you just a moment about COVID.

I appreciate you all hanging in and asking questions and they're great calls. And I will try to maybe even get some more calls before I wrap things up completely. I'm just looking at you guys. Yes, Scott Adams did talk about fentanyl. Let me just talk about COVID for a second. California, in the new data out of University of Washington, has stayed stubbornly plateaued. It has not turned down the way we would have liked to have seen it, I have to say.

The U.S. data is looking generally pretty good. As you go state to state, it looks pretty good. I'm looking right now at the measured cases. I mean, there's still tens of thousands of cases in this country, but they're generally heading in the right direction, generally. But I've got to say, California, and I worry, of course, about New York too, and a little bit about Florida, right? I mean, Miami, what's going on down there?

People are on top of each other in these demonstrations. And out here, they're not wearing masks. Now, understand you are less likely to get infected out of doors, less likely to get infected in the sun, but not unable to get infected. You are less likely. So people are going to because they're the worst place you can be is standing side by side singing. Some of the worst outbreaks were in churches where people inquire, things like that. So standing side by side, demonstrating and chanting, not the greatest out-of-door situation

for you. It's a possible transmission environment. Plus, we saw lots of things here locally in California. People literally were piled on top of each other. So there has got to be some transmission. Same thing in New York. I think most of the states are okay. I mean, Washington, Seattle's pretty good. I was just looking at the numbers and everyone else is really heading down and the numbers are small enough that there's not a high probability of exposure. But out here in California, I'm afraid there is a probability. So while I don't, I keep hearing some of our county leaders talk about a super spreader event. I don't expect that. I see an uptick. I think there's going to be an uptick. And the problem is when these young folks get the virus,

they're going to go home and expose the older folk, and that's where you're going to start to see the hospitalizations and the deaths. So please be careful, everybody. Think this way. Think it through. Part of the problem is that people are – the thing that people respond to with public health messages is if you overstate things, they go the other way. I call it the reefer madness syndrome.

I think I mentioned on this thread before, which is whenever you take a particularly young people and you tell them and you scare them to death and you tell them something is so and that's just the way it is and the boogeyman's coming and he doesn't show up, they stop listening to you. And I'm afraid that's a lot of what is happening here. They've gone the other way because of locking down, essentially prematurely. I'm looking at California because that's where my most experience is. But particularly in California and New York, as Governor Cuomo said, don't snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. No, don't snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory. Because we are on the verge of getting all the way through this thing.

But it's an opportunity. And we are squandering that opportunity if we don't wear masks and we don't social distance. So please be careful. I'm very concerned about that. And if you have any questions, get tested. I know in Southern California there's a lot of great testing available. So I'm looking at you guys.

I will try to take maybe one or two more calls before I wrap this thing up. Chris, go ahead. I've just got a couple minutes here. Chris. Great. Hello. Hi. Go ahead there.

Yeah. Hi, Dr. Drew. Chris. Yeah. How are you doing? Yeah. Great job on your commentary on the covid crisis i appreciate your honesty about it i'm a whistleblower my father was the founding medical director of the pritikin longevity center

and i wanted to ask you about a critical issue that's relevant to covid okay okay on my youtube channel i have a video of 10 years ago of senator kent conrad who said that millions of seniors are taking 16 medications and it's making them sick and bankrupting medicare uh that has been what's called polypharmacy and physicians are very aware of that and go to great lengths to diminish polypharmacy particularly in the elderly yes that's true but they failed to deal with it and so no no no it's oh no no no it's it's been aggressively dealt with in in the profession aggressively dealt with now if you get if you get congestive heart failure uh that's just to keep you alive well that's five minutes uh for at least four that's just automatic certain certain

diagnoses have multiple meds associated with it but in terms of people being on multiple meds you know sort of injudiciously those days are long long long long gone so uh and so please don't don't worry about that that is not a big issue currently i want to try to get to one more oh my gosh you guys uh karen very quickly and then i got to wrap things up. Sorry, I can't talk much longer. Karen, go ahead real quickly. Hello. Hi, Karen. Hi, Dr. Drew.

Thanks for taking my call. I have a question. I live in a north town in Maryland, so most of our visitors are from all the surroundings. And since they listed the quarantine, thousands of people here like it's Memorial Day all the time. I'm 63 years old, have diabetes, COPD, and in a rather large convenience store. And I'm concerned of my compromised health condition. You should be. We're wearing a mask and gloves where some of the customers don't want to get rather more close than I feel comfortable with.

Can you ask... It's safe for to require masks for entry into the store? We have a sign that requires them to wear masks. However, they pull them down. We've had them thrown out. Do you have... And at this point... Okay, hang on. Do you have a plastic barrier

between you and the clients? Semi. All right, I would try to... I'm somewhat concealed. All right, so here's the deal. I would try to improve that barrier, number one. Number two,

I would have you practice distancing. In other words, you need to have kind of backup from your employees. Like if somebody's pulling their mask down, you need to excuse yourself and get out of that distance. But in all probability, if you wear the mask, if you wash your hands, if you wear the gloves, and you keep yourself away from the people that are noncompliant, you're probably going to be okay and keep a lot of Clorox wipes handy, okay? Thank you so much. I have been listening to you since the 90s in my early recovery, and you have been such

a wise man and given so much help through the years. Thank you so much for taking my call. Very sweet. But you need help from your fellow employees and your management, things like that. But again, I want to state over and over again that these distancing measures, masks, barriers, hand washing, back in the 1918 flu, they felt that was 100% effective in preventing transmission. Here now, we think it's about 75% effective, and it's 75% effective because people don't practice it perfectly. So if you really pay attention, you can diminish the potential for transmission dramatically and probably nearly as good as staying at home. So it's on each of us to make that decision.

Somebody like Karen, who has lots of risk factors, to decide, am I going to stay home and really quarantine and eliminate all risk, or am I going to take some risk and go out in this and practice careful technique? You guys, thank you. Whoa, somebody wrote me a huge stream here. Yeah, that's a big question there. Yeah, Jen, I can't quite remember. It's all about the blood clotting in Italy and the bacteria.

The blood clotting is well known. We know all about how that works. It's all because of inflammatory action through the phospholipid syndrome. Somebody did the autopsies on 50 people. Remember we had that email? Yes, we know it's an endothelial. the phospholipid syndrome. Somebody did the autopsies on 50 people. Remember we had that email? Yes, we know it's an endothelial disease. We know all about it.

This is not new information, nor is it in any way confusing to anybody, except this inflammatory piece where it turns on this cytokine component that is unrestrained, interacting with the lining of the arteries, the endothelium, causing antiphospholipid activation, which is associated with excessive clotting that does not respond to routine anti-clotting measures. We know that. We're dealing with that and trying to figure out exactly. That is a physiology that is massively complicated, and people are trying to look at every step on that cascade to figure out exactly where they can intervene.

Now, because it is so complex, they're not able to say a lot. What they're doing now is starting to look more at monoclonal antibodies that can be produced to push against the virus and maybe prevent the virus. So that's one of the areas of sort of significant enthusiasm right now. You guys, we're going to have to wrap this thing up. We appreciate you being here. It's been a very interesting day. Thank you to the great Leo Terrell, a fair-minded civil rights attorney, and our friend Tyrus. Look for Tyrus on Fox Nation, also Tyrus and Timf.

The Peanut Gallery, you guys okay? Is there anything else I need to do here? No, just be your charming self. Okay. They usually mean I did something wrong. I'm getting airline tickets. Yeah. Well, I said I wouldn't. I'm listening to my buddies, and they talked me up enough. We may end up in Nashville or something. After I talked to Adam for three hours,

that was when I came in thinking about maybe buying an airline ticket. I support the Nashville move. Nashville, maybe to Nashville office. All right. Are we in here tomorrow with Jimmy O. Yang, or has that been rescheduled? No, no. Tomorrow we have one of the other people that we set up. I can't remember off the top of my head because I did it last weekend.

But, no, we're going to bring them in next Monday. So tomorrow is there still a plan to? We're going to do happy stuff next week. Happy stuff next week. I mean, Jimmy O. Well, Laura King tomorrow. I see Laura King tomorrow on my schedule. Oh, yeah, Laura King tomorrow.

So Rodney King's daughter will be in here tomorrow. She is one of the loveliest people you will ever come to know. So do return to talk to Laura King. I want to pick her brain on what our friend. On dose of Dr. Drew. Yeah, we're not going to take calls, right? We're not going to take, right? No calls, yeah. It's up to you. No calls, but we will be on the restream, and dose of Dr. Drew. Yeah. We're not going to take calls. Right. We're not going to take... Right? No calls.

Yeah. It's up to you. No calls, but we will be on the restream and you will enjoy Laura King. She's a really lovely woman and she hopefully can channel her dad a little bit for us

so we can... We can take calls if we want. All right. We might take some calls depending on the mood of my producer. Yeah, I know. So again, everybody, don't squander the opportunity

of really getting this covid thing under good control um i know there's a lot going on and it's hard to keep track and if you're going to protest social distance yourself please well that's unrealistic everybody but wear a mask and pay attention and wash your hands and and try to i have such uh, something we didn't talk about was some of the acts I've seen of people protecting property, to ferreting out the criminals in the group. And I have nothing but massive respect and admiration and gratitude for the people that have done that and put themselves in harm's way. But be careful. All right, and we will see you tomorrow.

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