Ask Dr. Drew - Border Czar Tom Homan: How Did An Illegal Alien Become A Maine COP? w/ Dr. Michael Goodkin on Ivermectin Trial Fraud & Alex Krainer on Europe’s Collapse – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 516

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

How did an illegal alien become a Maine police officer? Border Czar Tom Homan reveals how ICE arrested Jon Luke Evans, an immigrant who overstayed his visa since October 2023, after he tried to illegally buy a gun while employed as a cop by Old Orchard Beach PD. Evans allegedly entered the U.S. legally in September 2023 but never left. His attempt to purchase a firearm triggered an ATF alert, leading to his arrest. Patricia Hyde, ICE Boston Field Office Director, condemned the hiring, stating it undermines law enforcement integrity. Tom Homan, Border Czar and former ICE Acting Director, discusses illegal alien crime, including a Texas murder by three Venezuelan migrants released under Biden’s policies, and legal action against sanctuary city mayors.  Dr. Michael Goodkin reveals ivermectin trial fraud, citing Ralph Lorigo’s court cases. Alex Krainer examines Europe’s collapse under globalist policies and Trump’s strategic “5D chess” approach to politics. Dr. Michael Goodkin is a cardiologist with 36 years in private practice, specializing in POTS and Long COVID. He co-discovered lipid emulsification for drug overdoses and cranial osteopathic manipulation for POTS. He is on the medical advisory board of Trialsite News. Read more of his articles at https://www.trialsitenews.com/p/doctrumpet Alex Krainer is the founder of Krainer Analytics and I-System Trend Following. He is the author of “Alex Krainer’s Trend Following Bible” “Mastering Uncertainty” and “Grand Deception”. Krainer analyzes global economic and political trends. More at https://alexkrainer.substack.com Tom Homan is the former Acting Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). He was appointed as Border Czar by President Trump and oversees immigration enforcement policies of the United States. More at https://x.com/ICEgov and https://x.com/RealTomHoman 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am very excited. First to welcome Dr. Michael Goodkin. He's a cardiologist, been practicing for decades. He has won several court cases allowing patients to get access to medication that they've been withheld from them, despite their and their family's wishes, which is an insane change in the practice of medicine. I want to discuss with him in detail. We'll talk a little long COVID as well. Then Alex Kraner came in here.

I'll be bringing him in here, and I'm going to quote what he'd like to talk about. the collapse of Europe under the totalitarian jackboot of the globalist tards. Okay, I'm up for that. And then Tom Homan comes in after that. You guys all know Tom Homan. He is, of course, in charge of the border and Homeland Security. And I'm going to get in deep with him. He'll be here.

I've met him. He's a good guy. And I'm looking forward to all of this. So stay with us. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin.

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standing. I have the American College of Physician. He has the American College of Cardiology. And if you achieve fellowship status, that is the highest honor that our professional societies give people, give our professionals. He's been practicing for 30 years. He has now been looking at pots, the

blood pressure change with positioning syndrome that we've seen with COVID. The spike protein is also doing a lot of work with long COVID. And he's on, well, he can be found at TrialsNews.com and Standing Up to Potts, POTS.org.

Dr. Goodkin, welcome to the program. Pleasure to be here. I wanted to correct one thing. You said I settled the case. I didn't. That was a lawyer. Ralph Larigo is an attorney in Buffalo. I spoke to an hour ago.

So he represented 200 families where the hospital would not allow their loved one to get ivermectin. These patients were mostly on ventilators. It was completely insane. Ivermectin's FDA-approved drug who was being used off-label. So the hospitals would do anything to keep these patients from getting ivirmectin. God knows why. So in court, he won 70 times, 67 of the patients lived.

130 times he either lost in court or he didn't get to a judge in time. They all died. So it was like a randomized trial. If you got a good judge and you got Ivermectin, 96% chance you lived. If you got a bad judge, you didn't get Ivermectin 100% chance you died. Now, Ralph told me that he told these hospitals what was going on. that he had all the success rate. They didn't care.

He told me today about Rochester General. He sued them six times. The first three times the patient got Ivermectin and lived because he won. They still kept fighting him. Like, what is wrong with these people? So almost everybody who died of COVID died in the hospital, right? 1.2 million people. Certainly seems like most of them could have been saved by,

ivory magnet Ralph has really not got a chance to tell his story to the public he is in contact with Kennedy and with

Ron Johnson so I don't know if it's something to happen now I was not involved in that I was involved in looking at

the large randomized Ivermectin trial so I first got involved in this because I saw that there was evidence that

Fomotorthin worked Fomotidine is a is the heartburn drug. Pepsid. It blocks certain receptors on mass cells. Mass cells release histamine and cause allergies, but they can release a lot of other stuff

and interact with other white blood cells. And we're a factor in causing cytokine storm. So a mass cell expert, Lawrence Affrin, published a paper in which he thought the symptoms of COVID were typical of mass cell activation syndrome. He said 17% of the general population has mass cell activation syndrome, and those were the people getting really sick. He said that the patients of his, who we put prophylactically on Zyrtec, which is an H1 blocker, and promoted the NH2 blocker. If they got COVID, they never got sick.

I sent this stuff to the American Academy of Asthma Allergy and Immunology. They wrote back, thank you for your email. no idea there was any relationship between COVID and mass cells. So if you're an allergist, your whole life is mass cells. We're sending it to the coronavirus task force. Three weeks later, they wrote back to me and said, it's all theory. Huh. I knew immediately they were captured. And to this day, there's nothing on their website saying that COVID has anything to do with the mass cells. So it wasn't just the early variants, but the vast majority, of people with long COVID have mass cell activation syndrome and it could be treated with

over-the-counter of generic drugs. So the whole thing is disgusting. I somehow want to get involved. Wait, I want to stop right there. I want to stop with disgusting because it is disgusting. And I, you know, I would like to step away from whether the reports that you're quoting are accurate or reflective of a real treatment. I'm going to take your word for it. But my question always is what the hell happened to our profession? What is going on here? It is

truly disgusting. That doctors are being prevented from doing what they think is in the best interest of the patient. I don't even understand. I can't even imagine a world and it was routine and then doctors prevented other doctors from doing what they thought was the best interest of the patient.

And then if that wasn't successful, the hospitals would step in and prevent physicians from doing their work. Anybody but the doctor doing what they thought was best for the patient. What is happening? It's crazy. The leadership in our profession. Well, I'll explain what happened.

So what happened is, I'll go briefly into these Ivermectin trials. Probably the most important one to Americans was Active 6. It was NIH sponsored, run by the Duke Clinical Research Institute and Vanderbilt and some other people. So what had happened is in December 2020, Pierre Corrie had testified to the Johnson Senate Committee that I recollecting was a miracle program. The next month he met with NIH, they changed their recommendations from against to neutral. But the FDA recommended against it, and they started with their, you know, the horse campaign, and they got drugstores not to sell it. They got state medical boards to punish doctors for ordering it. It's crazy.

This is FDA. Aren't we already in, but we're already in Insaneville already, right there. We've gone now into outer space. Right. So anyway, they decided that NIH had to run a trial. So four different trials opened between March and June of 2021. The first one was together that was from Canada. Patients were in Brazil.

It said that Ivermectin did not. show statistical benefit. Now, I can tell you, they severely underdosed it. They gave it late. They gave it on an empty stomach when the blood level was 157% higher with the fatty meal. And they limited the dose in overweight patients. Overweight patients are already at high risk, right? So they limited their dose to 36 milligrams.

So those patients would have gotten 50, 60 milligrams. So it was insane. The second study that came along with, COVID out, I'm not going to talk much about that. The third one was active six, sponsored by NIH. So what they did was they knew that Ivermectin was safe from a trial from 2002 at 120 milligrams for three days. So what did they do? They gave patients 30 milligrams for three days. And they gave it on an empty stomach. When that same trial said the blood level would have been 157 percent higher with a fatty meal. They got it.

the patient's really late, an average of six days. Anything would have failed getting it six days. Paxilvin wouldn't work. Even then, with all the stuff they did, it showed a 98% chance of benefit. So what did they do? They changed the time when the data was analyzed, the primary endpoint, from 14 to 28 days after the fact. You can't do that. Dr. Goodkin, I want to tell you this, my audience, I could talk to you about this all day, but My audience is not a medical audience. They're not going to want to hear the details of clinical crosswork trials or any of the analysis. They're going to want to hear what happened to their doctor, what happened to the profession that adulterated it so severely that we can't have these conversations that I got put in YouTube jail for people like you coming in and saying, hey, we have some data.

It looks good on this one drug. And boom, immediately put in YouTube jail. there was an absolute adulteration of everything from the medical literature to the practice of medicine to the ability to prescribe in a farm every layer of medicine was adulterated and it reminds me of what happened during the opioid crisis frankly because the same thing happened then they came in the evangelist came in and they got control the regulators that got control of our professional societies they got control the pharmacies that control the VA and then that's it everybody that doesn't comply is an idiot and in this case everyone who did

didn't comply. I was a murderer. You're going to kill people. And I actually have to wrap up our conversation, but I'll let you have last thoughts here. What happened to us? And why can't we fully recover from it and have a reckoning where people apologize for ruining the practice of medicine and ruining the scientific discourse? Okay. So I just will say one thing. There's no question that there was fraud and collusion with all these trials. They did everything possible to make ivermectin look like it's important a long list of things now how did how did they get away with it well nobody in academic medicine would say anything why they were afraid of the government they're afraid they lose their grant the government paid out a hundred seventy eight billion

dollars to medical organizations and they still won't say anything so there's no threat now if they tell the truth i told everybody i told the people running the trial during the trial I got a response from Cliff Lane, and they did nothing. I have tons of emails to the American College of Physicians, American College of Cardiology, Infectious Disease Society of America, board members of the AMA. They all know what happened. They won't open their mouth. So what needs to get done is, I think, Jay Bottacharya, NIH chairman, needs to investigate his group ran a fraudulent trial. I think the only way people will believe it is if they hear it from him.

That and I think they would be very interested in this communication you had where you put people on notice of what had happened and what you were seeing. I would love to see some of that communication, frankly, and I'll see if I can get in front of people. Have they been looking at any of your stuff? I can tell children's health defense has most of it. So people have it. There's no defense.

And I suggested, even suggested to the, so the Annals of Internal Medicine just published the phony trial from Norway alleging that the, that aluminum and vaccines was safe. I wrote to the CEO, the head of ethics, and the editor-in-chief of the Annals of Internal Medicine. You guys went too far. You're going to get crushed by the government. Kennedy is not going to let this stand. has come out against it. Why don't you make a deal? I mean, look. We track the article, publish something truthful.

It should be retracted if it's bad, if it's bad research. You know, look, and we all know that research goes back and forth before a consensus is achieved. We see bad studies, good studies, confirmatory studies, non-confirmatory, non-informative studies. And that's how we achieve. This may have just been a non-informative study. But Dr. Kirk, can I've got a whole pack show here today. I appreciate you being here. Where can people find you and read more about what you're doing? I have about

40 opinion pieces at trial site news. That would be most. Everything is there. I have two videos about the active six trial. One I did with Dan O'Connor, the owner. That's about an hour and a half. Peter McCullough posted it on Twitter. It got 20,000 views the first day.

So I really is hard to explain these trials to to the lay people, but trust me, any doctor that reads this goes, oh my God. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much.

TrialSightenews.com. We appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. All right. Coming up,

we have, let me get my next gaps because people are very excited about him coming. I'm seeing a lot of the buzz on the restream chat. Alex Kramer. What's that, Susan? Alex Kramer. Yes, Alex Crater, you can find him at, okay, Naked Hedgey, H-E-D-G-I-E-E on X,

alextrainer.substack.com, and also iSystem-I-F.com. Alex, welcome to the program. Thank you for having you, Dr. Drew. So, I am very interested in this quote. I'm sorry for giggling, but I am giggling because it's, It's true. The collapse of Europe under the totalitarian jackboot of the globalist tards. Take it from there, please.

Well, you know, I go back to what happened last Sunday when Donald Trump summoned the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, to his golf resort in Scotland and absolutely humiliated her in presenting his trade deal and getting the whole deal shoved on her throat where there was no concessions made by the American side, all concessions given by the European side, and, you know, taking in $750 billion in energy experts from the United States,

committing to $600 billion in direct investments by the European economies into the United States and buying an undisclosed but massive amount of American-made weapons for the European defense needs. All of this is, it was a gargantuan need. The Europeans, up until that point, you know, they believed, well, we're a big trade bloc, We're a, you know, 450 million affluent consumers. You know, the United States can't treat us just like that. So they were convinced that they were going to get zero for zero tariff deal. And instead they got zero for 15 percent tariff deal,

meaning the U.S. exports into Europe go tariff-free, European exports into the United States go with a 15 percent. Alex? Yes. Alex, there's, you know, I'm too, I listen very carefully to what's going on in France and through, that's my prism of understanding Brussels. And France, I think, is going to have another $40 million a year charged to them or something just for the privilege of sending people to Brussels. And my understanding is for every single so-called volunteer that is a representative in Brussels, these are not elected officials. there's a 110 lobbyist for each one. And although they are given very little salary,

they all manage to come up with $400,000 a year of cash flow. The whole thing sounds like a house of cards to me. And when I am listening, I sort of tune into what the French are feeling. I'm starting to hear either a CZM Republic, a 6th Republic, or and or Frexit. We need to get out of the EU. And if that happens or do you think that might happen, what then? Well, you're hearing right.

You know, the discontent is broad, based and wide. I have friends who are close to the French military circles. And these people actually expect that the unraveling is going to come along with a civil war and they're preparing for it. so we might get social uprisings we might get heavy-handed repression by the government and we might get civil wars in fact so hold on hold on yeah what what is europe god knows europe has had its run with totalitarianism you would think and they're and they're all highly educated you would think more than any region on the planet they would be the region least likely

to lean into the totalitarian impulses. Here, I'm shocked to see it too, but there's an adequate pushback because of maybe our size or our history or culture. But for goodness sakes, Europe, they're going to lean again into totalitarianism?

What the heck? Well, you know, this has been set up from the get-go. You know, the European Union has been, you know, it was meant to be this prestigious club bringing together world's most affluent, most advanced economies in a trade zone, in a common economic bloc. But it's been turning into a sort of a Soviet Union, Sons, the Marxist ideology.

Okay, which actually makes it even worse because, you know, at least... I don't know. Well, you know, without it, you know, Marxism, at least... it has its coherent aspects that are compelling to some people. As it is, European Union is kind of like a Soviet Union, but without that. And then the best they came up with is climate change and LGBT. I don't see anything else that would bring any sense of coherence to this union. So basically, I think that the Union's future is going to.

to resemble the Soviet Union, which just at one point in 1991 finally unraveled and imploded. As this might as well, right? Yes, I think, no, it's not that it might. It will absolutely and for sure. It's a mathematical certainty. It has no legitimacy. And there's going to be more and more countries and more voters that are going to want out and now today and they they've mastered they've mastered the they've mastered the legal lawfare that we have here in this country that seems to be their main cudgel in silencing people like marine lepen just put them all in prison or in brazil put them in prison so so is who's going to be who's going to be pushing this if indeed

there is social uprising is this germany i think it's going to be more like Eastern European countries, meaning the former communist bloc. And I think that there's less of, you know, I think that we, I'm from Croatia, which used to be, you know, a socialist country under one-party communist rule, former Yugoslavia. I think there's less tolerance for totalitarianism in Eastern Europe. You know, we've seen it before. We recognize it for what it is. In the West...

You're inoculated. Well, it's not, it's not so much. we're inoculated, but we recognize it for what it is. Whereas in a lot of Western countries, you know, like Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, and so forth, they've only ever lived under one system. And a lot of people are convinced that, you know, government has their back. They want the best for what, you know, trust the system. The government has your back. You know, follow the rules, comply, obey, and so forth. Whereas in the East, you know, we had an ugly experience. of the whole political system unraveling and collapsing before our eyes, which is an

unthinkable event, but it did happen. So we're less attached to the current political structure and we see them as transitory, whereas I think that in the West there's more of a tendency to see them as permanent and that them prevailing over the actual democracy of European populations is, let's say, a much more likely outcome of this crisis. Interesting. I get what you're saying. I also feel like people that were under the former communist system don't trust the press.

They understand the press is fortunate, too. And they sort of fall for the stuff that we fall for here. and we were just in Croatia a couple months ago and when we moved down into Montenegro I went why what's going on here oh Montenegro is not in the EU it's why I think so much better economically in Montenegro and I'm guessing that

split not to make fun of you know I know we went to split in fact but that split is going to ring true to people and they're going to look at Montenegro go why can't we be like that And if they start coming down harder, they will, they'll know that. They'll see the problem.

Yeah, correct. Croatia became part of the EU in 2013. And it is plain as day that we are much, much worse off for it now. The controls went up. Everybody is in debt up to their eyeballs. The country is in debt up to up, you know, to the hilt. Prosperity is down. The infrastructure is decaying.

Social services are, you know, poorer and poorer and there's less and less. So basically the quality of life has taken a very steep dive practically from the day we joined the European Union. We were promised that we were joining this prestigious club of prosperous nations and that, you know, all we have to do is copy. paste all the rules, regulations, directives, and follow them to a T. And we would be doing great. Exactly the opposite happened. Alex, I got to take a little break here. When we get back, I want to talk about life and the feedlot.

Does that sound like a good place to go next? Should we examine that now that we've moved on from the jackboot? Do you want people mostly, well, first of all, of course, we've got the naked hedgy on X. Do you want people to go to the substack, Alexcranor.substack.com? Yeah, that's my personal substack. I have two publications there. One of them is my personal substack

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Listen, when I go practice medicine, I get paid for that too. And I'm not lying when I take care of patients. This is not different. Okay, Alex Craneer, Alex Craneer on Substack and also Naked Hedgey, H-E-D-G-I-E, I think is how you spell that. Alex, did I get that right? Yeah, I think so. It's like a hedge fund manager. It's like edgy.

All right. That's on X. Life in the feedlot, tightening psychotic matrix in the West. You don't mince words. Tell me about that. Well, you know, the point I was trying to make with this article is that, you know, we live in the West, in a certain matrix for the lack of a better word. And we have lived within this matrix for generations now. So I think that we've come to the point where we are actually kind of afraid.

of freedom because living outside of the matrix may seem scary. I'll try to make it point simple because this could be a deep philosophical discussion, but I spent a day last week on the island of Ige in Croatian Adriatic. And it's a small island with a small town in it. And the only thing it's famous for is that the bass player from the band Nirvana, Chris Novosellich, is from there and he lives there now. And the thing that struck me about this island is that all the houses have no bars on their windows, you know, even on the ground floor. And the doors are, you know, simple doors, easy to break into.

And then in the afternoons and in the evenings, the place is just chock full of little children all over the place. And they're unattended. And I saw children all over the place until late into the night, you know, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock. So I thought, well, you know, these people sure feel safe and comfort. here. So the next day, I went for a coffee and I asked a local person there. So how much police is there on this island? And the guy told me there is no police on this island. Zero. So this is, you know, this could be an example of life outside of the matrix where the whole concept of safety, of security of communal living involves down to natural law. And natural law is a very simple thing. It just says, act with honor and do no harm. So now what would happen on this little island and somebody tried to harm a child is that the community would take care of it and they would probably beat him to a bloody pulp. And so nobody dares. Nobody dares to break in.

It's the communal life without the need for the matrix to regulate living. It's people living within the natural law. And so this is how I grew up. I grew up in the communist world, and people might think, wow, this must have been terrible. No, it was awesome. I had a great childhood. Living in that communist world was really free.

Why? Not by the benevolence of the communist states, but because the government, the governing structures have kind of atrophied laid into the, you know, of that system and people just got on with life in between and I think life was pretty much as I just experienced it last week in the in Chris Novoselich's hometown it's just people getting on with life and living in comfort and security without state interference and so that's you know

that's my whole thing that you know we've been living in this matrix for so long that even our discourse about it devolves into tweaking the matrix to make it a little bit better. So, you know, in my article made a comparison with chickens. Imagine if we were chickens. And we've lived for so many generations inside of this feedlot that all we can think about in terms of trying to make life better is how we could rearrange the feed lots. So should the lights be like this? Is the farmer the good guy? Of course he is. He's taking care of us. Should the fodder be a bit better or less better? Should it flow this way rather than that flow?

Should the cages be maybe a little bit better and arrange in a different way? While the whole concept of us being divine beings that live here in this place as their birthright kind of got erased from the picture and we can no longer even conceive living communal lives where there is no need for government, prisons, police, or anything else to make life worth living, free, prosperous, and so forth. So that's what inspired my article because, you know, I lived in both worlds

and I can contrast them and I see differences. Whereas I think that maybe if you really lived for several generations in the feedlot, then the feedlot is the external. reality of the world. Is that what Grand Deception is about? No, Grand Deception is about geopolitics. It's about the

historical and current relations between Russia and the Western world. That book got banned by the way, so it can be purchased. That is, it can be purchased, but only from the publisher, Red Pill Press, directly from them. It's been banned by Amazon

about six weeks after I published it. Why? What's there? I think that what I wrote in that book was not meant to be known. It was not meant to be understood. It provides the broader context about the relationships between, particularly the United States and Russia. The very important fact that Russia and the United States used to be very close friends and allies throughout the 19th century, that that alliance was destroyed by the British Empire deliberately in a particularly sinister way. And so today it's not even known by most American.

For example, that Russia played a very important role in U.S. Civil War. When the Union's government, Lincoln's government, was almost about to collapse, Russians are Alexander the second sent his Baltic fleet to New York and his Pacific fleet to San Francisco where they anchored for six months and they prevented the intervention of the colonial forces, France and Great Britain, on the side of the south, which would have broken the Union. And today there wouldn't be any United States.

You know, it would have been kind of like a couple of small weak client states like in South America. that would have been subordinated to the British Empire. The union was saved by Russian intervention. But those facts have been basically airbrushed out of the nation. I've got to say so much of our history was determined by European powers. I mean, the Revolutionary War was won because of the French. Civil War won because of the Russians.

I mean, we have a strange relationship with our history. and particularly with those people that have been friends in the past. And I am aware, and I think it's Churchill that really sort of adulterated some of the relationship with Russia, at least he was part of that process, was he not, where he was very concerned about what was happening. And it was very complicated, to be fair. It's hard to point at one thing. And there was some nasty players involved as well, and then people got defensive and things broke apart. That's what happens.

It's like a family feud, right? I mean, yeah, families could have been very tight at one time and then they fall apart. It's not much worse when it is a family or a neighborhood. But listen, I could talk to you all day about these things. You have a very interesting perspective on all of it. Give me, just to conclude, what is your, because I have to wrap up right now, I've got Tom Homan standing by, our borders are. Give me a little primer on what you think is going to happen economically. You opened by talking about the tariff issues with the EU.

How is this all going to play out from your perspective? And then we'll say goodbye to you. In the medium and long, in the short term, it's going to be bumpy. There's no question about it. You know, Trump is basically you have choice between two systems. One is the American system of political economy, reindustrialization, internal development, build up of prosperity, infrastructure, industry in the United States. The other system is the British system of free trade, which is basically eviscerated every country that's adopted it.

And so it is clear to me that Trump is trying to change course towards the American system of political economy. It's going to face very stiff opposition. It's going to require tariffs. Some people are not going to be happy about that. But it is going to help bring industrial production back into the United States. There are going to be inflation. But inflation was going to come anyhow. The system that we have now, for all the moaning and bitching and complaining that you're going to hear in the media, this system is unsustainable and it's going to collapse anyway.

So what Trump is doing, I think he's bringing that collapse closer and he's going to change that system to something that's going to bring prosperity back to the United States. And I think that's a good cause. Your mouth to God's ears. Alex Craneer, everybody, Naked Hedgy on X. Thank you so much. I'll talk to you again soon, I hope. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Alex.

And thank you for staying up late. We appreciate that he's in Europe right now. Let me quickly now introduce Tom Homan. You can follow him on accent, Real Tom Homan. It's H-O-M-A-N. And ice.gov on X as well. Mr. Hohman, I am so appreciative that you stopped by to say hi to us today. Thank you for being here.

Good afternoon. And I don't know if you remember we ran into each other, Fox News, in the big green room there downstairs. and you very kindly shook my hand and we chatted about a few things and I really appreciated your kindness. No, so I'm speaking, yeah. I follow you somewhat.

I'm busy, but I got an eye on you. You're busy, that's true. So Tom, one thing I never, do you like to be called Tom, Mr. Holman, Mr. Tsar? What do you prefer to be called? Tom's fine. I never hear anybody talking about you very much. I'm fascinated.

Like, where'd you grow up? How'd you get into this kind of work? How do you see what you're doing now in the grand sweep of your life and your life's purpose? Well, I grew up in a small town upstate New York, right outside of Fort Drum, New York. It's a small town, about 2,500. But I became a police officer in New York, and shortly after I became a Border Patrol agent. And I climbed the ranks over, you know, about 40 years.

I went from Border Patrol agent, so a special agent, and I started climbing the ranks. So, you know, Supervisor Special, District Director, Assistant SAC, Deputy SAC, SAC, SAC. And then was transferred headquarters under ICE as the Assistant Director for Enforcement, least for my enforcement. Then I became a head of ERO with Turner Command of ICE. And I announced my retirement. Trump won. This is in Trump, Trump, 25.

He called me the day of my retirement and ask me if I stay and run the agency, which would be a three-step in promotion. So I did. So I was an ICE director on the president of Trump 45. I retired again. And for the second time, I got in retirement when he won this past election. He asked me to come back and be the border zone. So I didn't hesitate. I came running because for the last four years, I woke up every day upset what the last administration did to the most secure border we've ever had that we created, that we worked very hard at.

So when he asked me to come back for the second time, I didn't hesitate. I was the first guy he picked and the first guy back. It seems like you're having great success in your endeavor in terms of keeping the border safe. As far as what's going on in cities and sort of the deportation efforts, I have a kind of a difficult, maybe an odd question, but I keep wondering myself, you know, I live here in Los Angeles and there's all these sanctuary cities around. And there are government officials in my state. breaking the law, breaking the federal laws,

standing up to the federal government, so-called standing up, but in doing so, they are breaking laws. Why isn't there more legal action on behalf of the, the premises of the federal law? Well, look, they've got to cross that line, right? A lot of these politicians,

they come real close across the line, but very few are actually across the line, and the ones ahead, we've prosecuted judges, we prosecuted members of Congress, we have prosecuted some politicians. And I leave it up to Pam Bond, the Department of Justice, you know, as Jerry Todd to prosecute.

But you're right. I mean, a lot of the politicians that come up to that line. And I except from day one, you can protest ICE. You have your first member of rights. Protests all you want. You can choose not to support ICE. I think I think it's shameful since ICE is making this country safer every day by arresting public safety threats and remove them from the country.

Well, if you cross that line and impeding our efforts, it's a felony. If you put hands on an ICE officer, that's a felony. If you're annoyingly harbored and concealed illegal airing, that's a felony. And, you know, President Trump made it clear three weeks ago that it's going to be zero tolerance. The number of people we prosecuted for 18 U.S.C. 111, which is impeachment and interfering all those other things, it's on historic high, and we're going to keep prosecuting people that get in our way. And I'd like to tell people all the time, ICE isn't just out there in Millie Dilley doing whatever they want, ICE is enforcing the laws enacted by Congress.

And that's why I get really upset when I hear members of Congress want to vilify ICE, compare them to Nazis, compare them to terrorists, call them racist, where they're simply enforcing laws that they enacted. So that upsets me, I think, a lot of that I read it from Congress, has emboldened those on the left, that small percentage of those on the left, who moved from protester to criminal. The violence against ICE officers, I think that's one of the reasons. Assault against ICE officers is up 830%.

And did you see this case up in Maine? People, you know, sort of caught people's attention, and you as a police officer may have an opinion about this, where somebody who was here illegally, no, here legally, but stayed too long illegally, became a police officer and got arrested for attempting to buy a fire. arm, the ATF team

got activated. Were you aware of this case? I was aware of it. It's a shame that police department did the proper vet because it's actually a felony for an illegal ambulance to possess a firearm in this country. And

I know there's several left-leaning cities that we're going to hire police officers as well. If you do it, then want to send ICE officers to arrest your police officer because it's a felony for illegal alien to carry a firearm in this country. But they're, you know, it's so interesting to me, people don't appreciate it. I just want to get

your opinion about this. You know, every little town in the country has to field a team. They have to fill the police force. And sometimes people move from state to state or town to town who maybe shouldn't be in police officer work any longer, but they, they've managed to obscure their past in various ways. Do you think, do you, do you imagine ways to combat that? I just worry about that. I feel like these poor towns, they're underfunded, they're undermanned, they're trying to find people that want to do this work. How do we make sure that things aren't, the system isn't abused? Well, proper vetting. No one should be a police officer carrying a badge of gun unless you have had that background investigation, you know, so Social Security is tired, a birth certificate.

I mean, these are people we're given the authority to take your life in certain situations that be deemed necessary. So it's like we do at ICE when we hire ICE officer, Borgesides, there's a deep bedding process to make sure, number one, they're not a criminal. Number two, we actually, in ICE and Borgeton, we make sure the U.S. citizens, and we check their criminal history in their past. I mean, every law enforcement, I don't care how small it is, they can at least at a minimum. As for a birth certificate, Social Security, Care.

and run an NCIC on the police department. I'm going to do a set out of teletech on the NCIC and find out of criminal history. But, you know, I think one way to stop it is, well, two ways. Number one, we send a clear message that you hire an illegal animal and get it in the gun. That's a felony. We will prosecute not only the early going to.

We'll prosecute the person in the gun. Second of all, the system worked because when he did try to purchase a firearm, it notified the ATF. And, of course, ATF will take action and prosecute. So there's a system of checks and balances. I just hope that this was a mistake, oversight, or something that no one actually hired,

knowingly hired an illegal animal police officer. And I'm also thinking about, you know, cases on the other side where if people get sort of dragged into a, to let's say they're arrested by ICE, and they actually do have reasonable cause to be in this country. Is that system working? Is the legal part of this up and running? We heard during the last administration how everything was backed up months and people were getting lost in this country.

Are things both ways working for and against the system? Look, I think they're working better than it has been since Trump 45. I mean, every morning I get up, person I do is read the daily report. The data, data from borderial, data from eyes. Plus, I review the media columns when they talk about immigration enforcement. There's a lot of fake stories to tell, first of all. I read stories, most of the people that I arrest are not criminal. Most of the people in ICE detention aren't criminals.

It's just a fake story. I look at the data every day. The majority of people in our custody are criminals. But the left says, well, they're not criminal enough. It's only DUI. That's not really crime. Well, DUIs, you know, kill over 10,000 people here. I consider it as a safety threat.

So the media is trying to spend it. Well, they're not criminal enough. Matter of fact, I read a story the other day and it shot me. The headline was less than 1% of ICE deportees were convicted of murder. I mean, really? That's going to be the level set now. That's going to be the qualifier. No.

So I can guarantee I look at the numbers every day. The majority of people in ICE detention are criminals. Who are the rest of the people in ICE detention? They're national security threats. Most national security threats that are over 300 Iranians we've arrested last month. They don't have criminal history. National security threats usually they'll lay low until they do their dirty feet

so they don't get detention law enforcement. We have gang members. Many gang members really don't have criminal histories. And finally, we have extra deadly removal cases. Those who are arrested by the bull truck coming across are mandatorily detained by federal law, by statute. So during detention. So I wish the media would say, well, everybody in ICE detention is either criminal,

a public safety threat, or mandatory by federal law. That would be a fact. The other false story I read is that ISIS arresting mostly non-criminal, which is false. I look at the numbers the other day on 130,000 arrests, over 70,000 were criminals. That's 70%. Again, who are the other 30%? national security threats, and those with final orders. Those who had due process at great taxpayer spends,

a federal judge says they must be deported. They send ICE a final order of deportation. ICE's job is deport. So we will arrest them and deport them. So the media should read, the majority of people we arrest are public safety threats and national security threats and those that were ordered removed by federal judge. That would be a hacker story.

And then I'm assuming those that are on the margin have due process as well. And they can argue their case and hopefully find their way back if that's appropriate. I want to add another headache to your pile of headaches. My producer just sent me a headline. The L.A. Police Department is working to allow non-citizen DACA. recipients, turned to police officers, the ability to carry firearms full time.

Well, that'll be... It's just incredible. That'll be something for the Department of Justice to investigate and see if they're cross-line for prosecution. I mean, if DOJ believes they've crossed that line and

committed a crime, then those officials will be held responsible. I think President Trump, Mr. Jason, they're clear. They don't care who you are. I mean, if last four years, all we heard is no one's above the law. No one's above law. President Trump is above the law. Well, either our members of law enforcement, either our members of

Congress, either our judges. And we'll prosecute all of them. So we'll see what happens. On this case, I'm not familiar with that, but we certainly look into. I'm just, yeah, I'm just alerting you and adding to your headaches. Speaking of which, what keeps you up at night now?

The safety of the men and women of ICE, with threats assaults up 830% I know throughout my career I've got a long career

I buried board relations I buried ice agents and the one thing I never want to do again is handed a fallen flag to a child or a spouse is so I pray every night

every night but I pray that every man and woman and I just go home to sleep through the family and I also pray that no one loses her life. I mean, even the people were arresting. I don't want anybody die. And I said, I said two

months ago, if the rhetoric continued, the stateful rhetoric imposed by the media and by members of Congress, it's going to end up with someone dying. And unfortunately, I was right. A couple of weeks ago, someone attacked a board patrol facility in Texas. And, you know, little did he know he was attacking a SWAT facility where Border 12 SWAT trains. And after it put many rounds in that building trying to kill board's legions, they took them out. There is another group of people attacked an ICE detention facility in Elvara, Texas, to ambush officers as they left.

One local police officer responded to shots fire, was shot in the neck. So look, I'll say it again. I mean, if the rhetoric doesn't go away, and the hate continues, there's going to be more bloodshed, and I hate to see it. So every night I go to bed,

the last thing I do is pray for the men, one of the wife that they go home to their families because you know what i want people remember with all the hate the ice is taken they're nazis or aces or terrorists people need to understand they're mothers and fathers too they don't hang your heart on the hook when they go to work they've seen a lot of terrible things are occurring on look i've seen all terrible things like i've held dead children i've held dying children i've talked to little girls as young as nine that were raped multiple multiple times by members of the cartel I still am back to a tractor trailer with 19 dead people that suffocated and baked to death because the smuggler let them boxed in that steel truck.

So, you know, these men and women see terrible things every day and they take that home every day. These men and women are human too. And I wish people think about that when they're attacking them, taking their monsters and their races. You know, these are mothers and fathers who are doing the job enforcing laws enacted by Congress. And I'll say it again, members of the comments want to attack guys to call them racist for enforcing the immigration law. Well, if they're racist for enforcing immigration law, what's that make them? They wrote the law. I mean, ICE is making this up.

So, again, the threat against ice is what turns in my stomach every day. You know, the easy question would be how do you handle that? But I think, you know, that people, every person has their own way of, you know, doing their job. keep making meaning of what they're doing. But my question, too, would rather be, through all this experience, what have you learned about humans? What are your thoughts on us?

Those good people, there's bad people. It's unfortunate. You know, I don't, my family's not living in me right now because of the newest death threats can't be. I got them someplace else. You know, people can hate them.

I know the borders are. You can hate on me or you want. I really don't care what people think of me because I know that the men in the ice, and under my command, what we're doing as a board is, we're saving lives. And so I carry my duty with pride. So, for instance, President Trump has illegal and grace down 96%, which means 96% less people are coming. That means less aliens are dying, making the journey, less women and children being sex traffic, less fat knowledge from across the border to kill Americans, less

known suspected terrorists who come across that board. President Trump is saving lives every day. And I wish people would just educate themselves. I think if you went out and asked most protesters, what are you protesting exactly? Many of them don't know. Many have never been to the ICE website to see that 70% of everybody arrests is a public safety threat and many national security threats. No one looks at the ICE website and say, okay, well, they enforce immigration law, they also investigate drug smuggling, gun smuggling,

weapons of mass destruction technology being smuggled. the country sold to our enemies around the world be used against our war fighters. I mean, we rescue so far under Trump administration, we rescued 13,000 children that the last administration locked track of. They lost track of 300,000. We've already found and saved 13,000 of them. Not all of them were in danger. Many we found some were in sex trafficking, forcing the sex slavery, someone in forced labor.

educate yourself before you hate on any person or any agency. Because I think once you educate yourself, you can form an opinion, but form your opinion on facts, not the rhetoric of the media out there that wants to constantly attack the Trump administration. And I mean, some of these media is just out and out dishonest and what they're reporting. I think they hate Trump more than they care about integrity journalism. And some of these people out there that want to burn cities down. attack ice buildings and attack ice officers and throw them allotop cocktails on.

They hate Trump more than they love their country or the safety security of the country. I said this. I says every time up in Hill, I've asked every Democrat that would approach me one question and not one of them can answer it. I always ask them, what's the downside on a secure border? What's the downside and less sex trafficking? What's the downside unless drugs coming in? What's the downside unless no inspector terrorist?

What's the downside unless children dying across that board? Under Joe Biden, we had over 4,000 aliens died making that journey, historic record. A quarter million Americans died from fentanyl overdose that comes across that border, historic record. Yep. What's the downside, a secure border? There's no downside.

Yeah. Yeah, it was the oddest chapter to say that, you know, you don't need borders, build no fences. to build bridges. It's just the oddest thing. But, I mean, we could go all day with that one because it's just such a crazy thing. I remember at the time, I kept saying, go up to Canada and try to get in there and work. See what their border is like.

It's lovely, the great utopia of Canada. They'll shake you down if you don't have a reason to be there. Trust me. But I have a couple of more fun questions. I'm watching my chats here. And they noticed a samurai sword in the background. Is there a story with that? that was a gift um behind me i got a lot of stuff behind me uh that was a sandwich

i also have hanging uh the only thing i kept my days in board july i was in 1984 the only thing i kept was my campaign hat and uh my baton um patans aren't used anymore so it's kind of an antique piece but uh behind me to my right that's all that's me and A lot of pictures of over back there, over the flag, that's me and President Trump. And above those pictures of me and President Trump is every badge I've ever carried that I retired, police officers badge, Border Patrol badge, specialization badge, supervised specializing badge, every badge you ever carry. And I'm proud, my father, and on the other wall, which I'm the most thing I'm mostly proud of is on this back wall,

above the samurai sword is a shadow box of my greatest hero, my father. My father was a World War II hero. It's an 11th Arab War. She had two brown stars, two purple hearts. And he never hung those metals up. I didn't know those metals exist

until he got really sick. We had to sell the home and put him in a sister living. And I asked him if I could have those medals. And he asked me why. I said, because I'm proud of what you done.

And to his day, he died a few years ago. But this day, I don't really know what he did, earn. But I remember John Kelly, four-star Marine General, he was Secretary of Security, came off. He's seen that. He said, I have a third one. They're not your medals. That's no.

So they're my father's. He goes, you know what these medals mean? I says, not really. And John Kelly walked me through every medal, told me what they meant. And I hang him. I hang on honor. He was my biggest hero. And I hang him on his honor.

What did you learn about what he was doing? Well, one of the guy was fine, John Kelly said, well, go get his records. Worstard General has access to those things. I wanted to find out all the records were burned in the fire in Kansas City years ago.

So I did find his microfish that when he returned, he was wounded twice. The second time it was hurt real bad. When he came home, my hometown had a hero spray for him. And we were proposed to my mom. I found a microfish on that. So I really don't know.

I mean, when he had his funeral, an old fellow came in in a wheelchair, and as he approached the cascoe, I know he could live in the Airborne division. Now, they don't exist anymore. So I asked him, his name was Sterling Gable. I remember his name, it was kind of a strange name. And, you know, of course, he told me your dad was very proud of what you've done from the country. And I said, well, I said, I know if you didn't live with the airborne, she served my dad. It was just I did.

And he says, your dad was a hero. Your dad saved a long lives, and I was there with him. And he didn't really want to talk about it either. I mean, the son about World War II heroes, you know, they were proud of what they did. I've asked my dad one time to tell me, my dad said, look, I killed some people. Not proud of it, but, you know, it was war, but it's not something I want to talk about. And he brought to that that. But Sterling, Gable gave him a little bit more about him being.

a hero and saved a lot of lives. So I live with that. I just, you know, I'll meet him again someday and hopefully get the whole story, but my hero. That's my hero back there. Well, Tom, I know you were a hero to a lot of people, and I also understand that you're a lightning rod for a lot of controversy, and I appreciate you standing up to do your job, and I'm certain your dad would be proud, and you've certainly carried on in his tradition. We appreciate you spending time here with us. Is there anything? you'd like to close with. Yeah, I want

people to know that. I'll reiterate it. Look, I was a board of Chile agent. I was the first ice director. I actually came up through the ranks of the 20,000 men and women that worked for me. I didn't do anything. I didn't tell them to do anything. I didn't do myself. I was one of them. I want

people to understand that they're all there every day when their lives online for this country. There are tours of the trade. They got to strap a gun to the hip and wear a carol arrest. They don't make a lot of money, but they're out and doing a job their day. If you see an ice agent where he's out there in the, you know, getting gas or in a restaurant, you see a mortgage legend?

Just say thank you. These men and women are taking so much hate right now. I mean, not only is mortggyz and ice as being docks or pictures are being put on the internet, there's websites that they're posting their pictures, their docs in their homes, they're docks and their spouses, they're docks and their children, for God's sake. If you see one of these heroes, say thank you. So that's going to go a long way. They don't get enough for that.

And I know because one of them. And God bless each and one of them. I hope everybody joins me in prayer that these men and went to home to their families every day because they're trying to make this country safer. And every public safety threat, they arrest. Every national security threat, they arrest, makes this country safer. So God bless them. And Tom, I'm looking at our chats here on both our restreams and people are shouting out

gratitude and thanks to you. We appreciate you being here, and I hope to shake your hand again someday soon. Maybe we'll run each other in the green room in New York. You got it. Thanks for having me. All right, Tom. Take care.

All right. Caleb, let's throw up what's coming tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow's Wednesday. Two o'clock Pacific time will be here. I know we've got a lot going on this week. Let me see. I've got it as Kennedy coming in tomorrow. That made me cry a little bit.

Made you cry? Susan, Susan had a real emotional reaction because of his commitment to his people. Yeah. Yeah. And his history and what he stands for. And also his dad's thing, too. I heard you reacting over there with that. I was like, woo.

She was making noises. Okay. Kennedy in here tomorrow. Usually you make fun of me when I do that, but you didn't see it. A hypnotist in here. We also have Elizabeth Potter, Dr. Eric Weiss, Alex Marlowe, Kelly Victory, will be hosting on the 20th. Salti Cracker coming in on my birthday he very kindly agreed to

you've been you guys have been agitating for him and so he'll be here and so we'll all celebrate on my birthday together let me quickly look at what you guys are saying you're expressing I've seen all the gratitude for Tom here and I know people I'm not naive to the fact that he's

a controversial figure for many people I get it and let's talk about it like we always did throughout history of this country rather than just throw insults at each other if you're concerned about it. Well, we had some insults on Facebook, but we blocked him. Why am I not seeing them on the stream?

Oh, they were there. Okay, good. All right, excellent, everybody. Totally ridiculous. Like, when we block you, you're just screaming into the wind. I just want to let you know. Well, I will just say quickly, Kenny and I came up together. She was at the radio station.

I worked in the 90s. I've known her since then. And then she ran away to MTV and became an major star at MTV. And then off to Fox after that. And we've known each other ever since. And we see each other all the time to this day. We're both great friends of Kat Timp, which is sort of gluing us all together. It'll be a little different than today.

Yeah. Well, Kennedy's got lots of thoughts. And I want to hear them. And we'll be here listening to them tomorrow at 2 o'clock. What do you want to talk to her about? Let's see what comes up by what she says in the pre-interview. I want to talk to her. let me think about it i always i always i always i always spent some time thinking before the show

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