Ask Dr. Drew - Brandon Straka’s 6AM FBI Raid & The Doctor Facing 50 Years In Federal Prison For Defying Biden COVID Mandates w/ Sean Spicer, Brandon Straka & Dr. Ron Elfenbein – Ask Dr. Drew

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

📞 CALL DR. DREW: 1-833-3DR-DREW (1-833-337-3739) 📞 During the COVID-19 pandemic, the Biden admin weaponized its DOJ to harass and threaten medical experts across the country who dared to speak against vaccine mandates and lockdowns. Dr. Ron Elfenbein—a celebrated emergency physician—went on national television to criticize Biden’s halt of monoclonal antibodies. A few months later, Biden’s DOJ indicted him and sought 50 years in federal prison allegedly over a mere $150 billing discrepancy that Dr. Elfenbein says he didn’t even code. He joins Dr. Drew to expose how the federal government and Biden admin used emergency powers to financially ruin and silence dissenting medical experts. Brandon Straka, founder of the viral WalkAway campaign, details the chilling morning he awoke to an FBI tactical team raiding his home at 6 AM. Former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer breaks down the shifting political landscape, Trump’s recent Jan 6. civil immunity ruling, and whether the new Weaponization Task Force can bring accountability to rogue agencies. Sean Spicer served as the 30th White House Press Secretary and is the host of the Sean Spicer Show. He is the author of five books including “Trump 2.0.” Follow at https://x.com/seanspicer Brandon Straka is a former liberal grassroots activist who launched the viral #WalkAway Campaign in 2018, uniting disillusioned citizens against political divisiveness. Follow at https://x.com/brandonstraka Dr. Ron Elfenbein is a board-certified emergency medicine physician with over 2 decades of experience, and founder of FirstCall Medical Center. He graduated cum laude from SUNY Upstate Medical University, then trained at Johns Hopkins where he became chief resident during his emergency medicine residency. He currently faces a retrial in a federal healthcare fraud case stemming from COVID-era billing practices during the Biden administration. Learn more at https://dropthecase.com/ 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He has one of many books coming out right now. He's at five books. Newest is Trump 2.0, the revolution that will permanently transform America. I will give you all his particulars when he comes in here in a minute. Then Brandon Strachan, extremely popular, I think I call him a political influencer. His videos have resonated with millions of Americans, and he had to pay a huge price for just speaking his mind, as did Dr. Ron Elfenbine, who appropriately lays issue about restricting monoclonal antibodies with personally save me, and I went through this with one of my patients who nearly died.

We'll get to all this after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that?

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it.

I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And again, that number is 8333, Dr. Drew. Sean Spicer, you all know him. Sean Spicer's show. It is 6 p.m. Eastern Monday through Friday, find it on YouTube and elsewhere. Also host of the D.C. Huddle. He was the 30th White House press secretary during President Trump's first term and communication director for the Republican National Committee. Many books. Trump 2.0 is the latest. If we can throw that up, Caleb, if you've got it. the revolution that will permanently transform America. You can follow Sean. Let me find his particular, Sean Spicer, S-E-A-N-Spicer on X,

and Sean Spicer's show on X and shonspicer.com. And do get the book. Sean, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. My pleasure, doctors. Thanks for having me. So tell us about the book. What are we going to learn?

What did Trump think of your book? I understand he wrote the introduction. And why shall we read it? All great questions. I'll start with them backwards. It was funny, I called the president to talk to him, tell him I was writing the book and why. And he's been very kind and generous in the past with supporting my endeavors and endorse them, sort of sent out a tweet or give me a quote. And he said, do you want me to write the forward? I said, well, if that's an officer, then the answer is yes. So he wrote the forward to the book. The reason I wrote this and get to the serious part of your question is I graduated with a degree in political science, I finally decided to put it to use in an academic sense, meaning I wanted to look at what was different about Trump 1.0, the first term and the second term.

And there's two basic premises that I draw. Number one, Trump is the first modern president, the only second in our history, who has served two terms, but not sequential. Why is that different? And the way I like to put this true is, if you are on a team and you play a team at the beginning of the season at the end of the season,

you play very differently the second time. You know who's playing what position on your team. You know who did really well, who didn't. You know the other team well. You know what plays to run. And I think Trump 2.0 is very different because if you look at the people, the policies and the processes, the people he has surrounded himself with are very different than they were

when I came in in Trump 1.0. The relationships that he had, the people that he brought on board are very different. I mean, we literally, he met James Mattis one time, one time before offering him to be the Secretary of Defense. He's known Pete Hex says for 15 years. It's a very different relationship. That's just one example. And then understanding the policies, like coming out of the gate is very different than we did the first couple of days.

Or admittedly, a lot of stumbles. We did some great things. And I talked to the president about this. I said, this is no disrespect to the first term. We did, you did a lot of great things. But it's very different this time. And if you want to understand why, that's why you need to read the book. because too many people are dismissive of,

oh, well, his second term, he's doing this, and it's not as simple as that. It's if you have had the opportunity to think through the process. For example, the America First Policy Institute grew out of this first term. I sat down with them. I talked about how in the future, if he ever had a chance to come back, how we'd remake the offices, the communications office, the press offices. They interviewed a ton more people outside of me, Sarah Huckabee Sanders,

some of my successors. And when Caroline became press against her, she got all of this. She got all this analysis. And I don't know how much of it she took or didn't. But the reality is she was able to start. And by the way, she had already served in the first Trump administration with hitting the ground running. And that's the difference. And so if you want to understand why this term is different, you've got to read Trump 2.0.

You know, I've heard him talk about it a little bit. He's been a little circumspect when he brings it up. But he says things like, I trusted the referral. Like he was, there were people that were in, they were in Washington and he figured they knew what they were doing. And this time he did the opposite. He didn't trust any of that. In fact, he tried to eviscerate that. I almost feel like Trump 2.0 should be called fool me once. You know what I mean? Almost. Fool me once. Shame on me. But before me twice, no go. You're absolutely right. But the problem was Trump wasn't a politician, right? So he wasn't a governor

or senator that had a whole cadre of former staffers and lobbies that had worked for him or been in his So he trusted people and they was called and say, hey, you know who'd make a great surgeon general? Jerome Adams. Oh, I don't know who that is. Well, here's what his credentials are. Here's why he's good. Okay. If you, Dr. Drew, say that he's good. I'll trust you. Hey, Sean, if you think that guy's good, I brought some people in the Oval Office to interview for positions and Trump just would turn to me and say, do you like them. Do you think they're going to be good for me? And I say, yes, sir, I do. And I do. And I say, yes, sir, I do. And he's okay. This time, you're absolutely right. He said, I'm going to tell you who that person is going to be. I know who I want. Now I know. Now I know. enough about government. I know who's, and it's, and one of the big mistakes in the misnomerates that the media makes is they say, oh, this is just a group of loyalists. I mean, let's be honest, a dog can be loyal, a rock can be loyal, just sits there like a bump on the law. These are disruptors. They are people who are getting the America First agenda enacted. And I look, I've got a whole thing in there on the Maha movement and why it's so successful. It's amazing what the ability

to take on big pharma it looks like, to take on big food. Bobby Kennedy is successful because Trump has given him the political runway to do great things for people's health care. And it's for as a layperson whose entire medical training extends to a Boy Scout CPR class in the sixth grade, I assumed every time I went to see a doctor like you and they'd say, take this pill, do this. Okay, well, that's what a doctor tells you. You're supposed to do it. What the Maha movement has done is open our eyes in an unbelievable way. And I always hold myself up as patient number one, saying, I assumed when people told me, hey, to lose weight, to get in shape, take this protein

bar. I never thought to look over this. It said heart healthy. Well, of course, it's got to be good for you. It says heart healthy. How could that not be true? And I started to realize through people like you and so many others, look at the label. What's in that?

How can that possibly be healthy if you can't pronounce it? What's grass, generally recognized as safe? I mean, that may be the biggest, as I went down the rabbit hole writing the Maha chapter, do you realize that every FDA commissioner except one, except one, has gone into big pharma afterwards? And the one that didn't went into academia. This has become unbelievable the way that we have tied her. It was Kessler.

I knew it. I knew Dave Kessler. David Kessler went to my college. I knew him when he was at a, I think just after he'd, and I thought. But he's such a high quality guy. I always wonder why he couldn't make more out of the HHS. Because if you don't sell out to the agenda. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't. He was a real scientist. He was a real deal. But when you, until you look at this and study it and you go, why is it so difficult, you go in, you look at a problem.

I mean, this is how you talk about patients. You go and you look at them and say, okay, here's the problem. Here's the solution. Right. What was happening too often is that they would say, oh, wait a second. If I give you that diagnosis, I'm not going to get the big. payout at the end. I'm not going to get the job at Pfizer or Merck or Lily or whatever. And so I can't, I can't be on the side of health and wellness because that's going to undermine my future,

my future earnings. It was, as I went down these different things, and that's why, again, I'm so proud of this book because it's not just bluff and writing about how great everything is. It's really trying to explain the difference in each of the different silos. Why is Mahas successful? Why is this working? Why are we banning, suddenly. What changed? I mean, answer me this question. It's, it's, it's, every time someone brings it up, when we banned red dye, there wasn't a single additional study, no new science, it's that they finally realized that they had been exposed for what they were doing to us. And that's, that's what is so fascinating about so many of these things is when you go down,

again, I mentioned brass. I'm sure many of your audience members know this, but like this idea that generally, they took a bunch of chemicals that are in our food and made a deal. They basically walked it and said, hey, how about we take these thousand chemicals? we've not really done a ton of testing on them. We'll all call them generally recognize the safe. And anything that we agree today is now available to be used in any food product going forward. And we'll all call it even, Stephen. How's that?

And everyone shook hands and said, great. I mean, that's the most insane thing I've ever heard. I didn't realize that. Well, listen, we're doing that same kind of reasoning around, we do that same thing around vaccines to this day. What they goes, hey, look, people are taking it. They seem fine. Like, we're not studied it. And there are some questions.

We don't know that it's safe. I understand that it's been generally recognized as safe, but there's going to be some issues here. But here's the thing. All of this is common sense, right? Again, I'm a lay person. I have no medical training. But I trusted the system.

I said, you know, when someone said heart healthy or doctor approved, I trust that that's got to be good for me. And what you realize is. Listen, on my side, on my side of the patient doctor relationship, we trusted what we were here. hearing too. We didn't really, you know, we trusted our academic superiors. We, you know, we really were very naive about a lot of stuff, really. The way I read literature now is very different. So, as you can tell, very fair-skinned. I like to say I am the college fund for several dermatologists.

And so I start going down these maha radicals. And one day I start figuring out that, as every dermatologist has told me as an adult make sure you're putting on a ton of sunscreen. So I put on a ton of sunscreen. And I come across this thing in the Maha world about how there's these cancer carcinogen-causing elements in a lot of readily available sunscreens. So I go in and I said to my dermatologist, hey, you always tell me to lather up.

Put it all over, make sure I'm reapplying it. It's a consistent. Yeah, that's right. I said, I read this thing that there's actually in a lot of these everyday products that you buy at the pharmacy and the grocery store, the sunscreen that's there, there's a lot of potentially cancer-causing things.

And she said, yeah, that's true. I just, you know, and I'm like, time out. When was anyone going to talk about this? And to your point, like the doctors have just been telling you this for a long time without telling you the dangers. And so part of the reason I'm so excited about the book is because hopefully people read it in the same way that I researched it was to say, I didn't realize that this was not backed by science.

there were no studies. This didn't have to be the way. And you look at a lot of like our foreign policy, how President Trump's approach NATO, all this stuff where you're certainly starting to question yourself, why is it done that way? Why hasn't someone else changed it? And I started to probe a lot of these questions,

talk to the president, talk to a lot of people about them. And the problem was is that there is this mantra, well, that's the way it's always been done. And you go, well, that's pretty stupid, isn't it? Like, that's no way to run a railroad. And whether it's our health, our foreign policy,

our defense procurement, so many things that we just assume that there's somebody that's looking out for us as taxpayers, as human beings in our health care. It's not happening. And it's this administration that's finally casting a light on it. Let's talk a little bit about some stories that are in the news. Do you have an opinion on the Pam Bondi firing, I guess, maybe, or being asked to step down or if that's real or not? By the way, one of the outcomes of this last six, seven years is anything's possible. I don't know what to believe or not until it's well established. I've not heard it denied. So my understanding is accurate. Look, the one thing that's tough about being in an administration like this, I've known Pam for close to 10 years.

So for me, a lot of these people are friends that I've known for a while. whether it's Pete Higseth or Pam Bondi, you know, in any case. So it's tough because I know personally one of the things, and so when I analyze something like this, sometimes it's hard to take the personal away from the professional. On the professional side, the one thing I will say, having kind of had my own arc in Trump world initially, is that if you don't have backers, right?

And so what you had was a lot of people really disappointed in how Pam had to handle the Epstein case. And there didn't seem to be a ton of people coming to her defense. And that's a problem in Trump world. If you don't have a team that's saying, hey, Mr. President, I know you're not upset with how so-and-so did with this issue. But trust me, they're a really good person. They're working hard. And he's known Pam longer than I've known him.

I think he's known her probably going on 20 years. The first time I ever really met him, one of the first two times he said at an R&C event in Boca Raton. And he came over and he said, hey, I heard Pam Bondi's here. I'd love to see her, we're good friends. And he went and sought her out. They'd known each other that long, and that's in like 2013-14. So they've known each other 20 years. And so for me, it's personal.

I like Pam. I understand that she might not have been as aggressive as the president wanted, whether it's prosecuting some of these folks that went after us unfairly in the first term or some of the Epstein stuff. But I think by and large we had a much more accountable Department of Justice under her. If the rumors are to believe Lee Zellman, another good friend, you know, is likely to be the nominee there. I think he's a great guy as well. But it's difficult to watch anybody get fired that you've known for a while. And, you know, again, no one's perfect. I don't, I don't approve

everything she said or done. But again, she's a friend. Firing is one of his primary skills as a businessman, right? I mean, he's a builder. He relies on his subs. If the subs aren't bringing it in on time or with adequate, you know, quality, he fires the subs. That's just, that's just, and, you know, Musk does the same thing. I don't know if you read Musk's biography, but he'll, he'll fire anybody. I know, he doesn't matter how close he is to the person or how long they've worked together. If they're no longer as efficacious as before, sorry, it's just the way it goes. And I have the feeling that he could get more out of the DOJ than she's been giving him.

Well, and I think that's it. But the one thing I'll say is, and I don't, I'm not privy to this, but I would love to know, was he pushing her further to do certain things that she wasn't doing? Obviously, Todd Blanche there, the deputy has done a great job. I think that's where I would want to know more. I don't think we ever will. But the reality is that, like I said, I know that she is, she's done a lot more than we did in Trump 1 with the department, holding people accountable. The thing that I think is the problem, and this is the one thing that I'll say is the nuance. I mentioned the processes. One of the things that has largely been a lot better in Trump 2.0 than 1.0,

was the process. How did they achieve the goals? In the first term, we were new. There was a lot of things that backfired for a variety of reasons. And one of the things that, if you look at the Comey prosecution, the Letitia James prosecution, who's the Attorney General in New York, they were thrown out not because they lacked merit, but on the process. And they were processed fouls. And I think that might have gotten him frustrated saying, why are we not doing these things correctly? They ran out the statute of limitations. on Comey, not because the judge throughout the merits of the case, but because of how they filed it. But Letitia James, the same thing. I think that he might be growing frustrated with saying,

why are you guys not doing this the right way? Your job is to get it right. I want to see justice and accountability brought, but your job is to get it right. You know, I was thinking about the other sort of theme that when I think about 1.0, Trump, Gulliver and the Lilliputians, you know, be getting tied up by a million different little strands by all these all these ants running around you know what I mean that's the image that kind of comes to mind and somehow he's been able to hit the ground running this time it seems like you think about this basically but I just said this you're you're absolutely right though that again I I love to talk about this because I don't think it's worth it's it's we should overlook it think about this by the second month of Trump 1.20 to 1.0 to your analogy there we were talking about Michael Flynn and

Russia and we all had to have attorneys and we were told we brought in an outside legal team and we couldn't talk to so-and-so and they couldn't talk to so-and-so. How were you going to get your agenda move forward if your hands are tied and you have to, and you're absolutely right. We were hamstrung to enact the agenda. Yep, yep. And I had one last, what was my last question? I lost track of it. Darn. How much just the book costs? Well, it's on Amazon right now. Perfect. But I was going to say that it occurs to me also that he is kind of, you know, zooming along now.

And people are not accustomed to, I'll just call it leadership. I have not seen, if you remember, you know, I suspect you remember the Reagan administration where he did stuff and people hated him. People were freaking out about Ronald Reagan. People missed that period of history. People hated Abraham Lincoln. They fought a war. They hated him so much.

And people forget that when people lead, the populace reacts. It's unsettling. And we are really not accustomed to it at all, it seems to me. Can I tell you, again, I love your questions because they're so apropos to this. When people talk to me right now about Iran, I say that because they go, well, Trump campaigned against no forever wars and he understands affordability is a big issue. Do you not think he doesn't know that? Do you mean, if he listened to his speech, he talked about, here's what I promised on Iran. the guy gets it. He knows what he's promised. He knows that this is not the most popular thing in the world. He understands that rising gas prices that are not good for the midterm, but he's doing it because it's the right thing to do. You may not, not you know, not you. One may not agree with the strategy or whatever. But the easy thing, and everyone has to understand this. The easy thing in Iran is to do nothing to let them continue to threaten the United States, our allies, service members throughout the globe. The

Easy answer was for Trump to do nothing like every other president has done for the past 47 years and just say, let someone else deal with this problem. I hope they don't attack the U.S. anymore. I hope they don't blow up another one of our Navy ships. I hope they don't attack another Marine base. I hope they don't kill more people. Fingers crossed and then we'll pass it to the next guy. Trump took decisive action that's going to make America safer and he knew it that there would be potential political costs to it. That's leadership.

And for everyone out there who says, you know, why is he doing this? because he gets that when you're president, sometimes you have to make difficult decisions to protect the country. John, I appreciate you joining me. Good luck with the book. I can't wait to read it. Trump 2.0 everybody.

Get it on Amazon as Sean advised us. And tell us again where we'd find you. Sean Spicer.com. My show is every night at 6 p.m. on YouTube, Sean Spicer's Show. As you mentioned, the huddle, same place. All you have to do is go about YouTube, but Seanspicer.com has it all.

Thanks, Sean. Not too soon. Thanks, as you do. Take care. You got it. Coming up next is someone that a lot of people know, which is Brandon Straca. You can follow him on X, Brandon Strock, S-R-A-K-A. What's the matter?

Oh, yeah, the call-in, of course. We are specifically interested in talking about people that have been faced retribution for medical beliefs or resisting COVID. 8333-D-R-A-W. Brandon Strachau, up next. I've spent most of my career dealing with illnesses that shorten life. And now we have ways to extend it and extend wellness. I've been working with the team over at B Shred to develop a product that has everything I want in a longevity supplement. NR boost has nicotinamide ribicide.

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It's created quite a movement. You can follow him, as I said, on X, Brandon Straka, S-R-A-K-A. he is also a real walkaway on X and brandishtraka.com. Brandon, thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Great to be here. Thank you. So tell people just the basic story and how the volume is low.

Sorry, Susan. My producer in the studio started yelling at me. Tell a little, just explain the walkway campaign how it happened to you. And I'm always, I'm fascinated by these stories always. Dave Rubin is one of these people where he had a kind of an aha moment. he was talking to Larry Elder. And Larry Elder really pushed him on the FBI data about white cops killing black citizens. And he just, that moment went, oh, my God, they're lying to me.

And the whole House of Cards fell apart. I'm interested in your story. Yeah, well, mine was pretty similar. So I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 after voting for Barack Obama twice. And when Trump got elected, won the election of 2016. Like so many other liberals, I was shocked and confused. and outraged and freaking out. And I went through about two weeks feeling really, really miserable.

I mean, to the point where I was literally like calling out sick to work for two or three days after the election, I was miserable. Yeah, it was bad. And so my journey began not with any, you know, anticipation that I would ever be okay with Trump or his supporters. Basically, I sort of said to myself, this is going to be a long and miserable for years. if I can't find a way to understand how this happened because the media that I had been trusting CNN

and New York Times, MSNBC, basically guaranteed that Hillary Clinton was going to win in a landslide and that he had no chance of winning whatsoever. So I went on this journey to try to understand how did the media get it so wrong and why would anybody vote for Donald Trump? But the most pivotal moment in that journey came about two months after the 2016 election.

I went on Facebook and I put on Facebook and I posted that I would never be able to understand how anyone could vote for a man who was capable of mocking a reporter's disability in front of a cheering crowd. And that was when somebody reached out to me privately. She sent me a link to a YouTube video that was entitled, debunking the Trump mocked the disabled reporter, which showed a compilation of footage of Donald Trump doing that same voice and that same gesture numerous times throughout the years. But the commonality in every instance was he was making. fun of somebody who was flailing because they were caught in a lie, because they were caught doing something shady or dishonest. So when I saw it, I had to watch it three or four times because

I was literally having cognitive dissonance because my brain was saying, oh my God, I don't think he really mocked that reporter's disability, but my heart was saying, yeah, but we hate him, but we hate him, but we hate him. And finally, after I watched it four times, I was able to process that he actually did not mock that reporter's disability. The media had misrepresented that. And that's what really started to expedite my, the rabbit hole that I was falling down of research. Basically, is the media lying to us? Are they making things up? And it took several months, but I basically realized that just about everything that I had believed, both about Donald Trump, but also about like the ideology of liberalism that I had just

completely bought into without question that I was being lied to and deceived and manipulated. So I had to walk away from it. So I have sort of two questions. You know, most people, when you, the cognitive dissonance becomes too strong. They can't stay with it. They can't get themselves out of it. That's sort of one thing. I would like to hear why you think you were different or what you were able to do to make that happen.

But secondly, what is the process, you know, I'm a kind of a classic, I am a classical liberal myself. How does a classical liberal get, how is the first? frog boiled to the point you end up where you were? You know what I mean? What was that process like? I've heard some people say, I realize I'm a white colonialist. I have privilege. My ancestor did horrible things, but I'm a good person. And that's how they suck them into these ideas. So both things. How did you manage to overcome your cognitive dissonance? And what was the boiling the frog like for you? I'm going to start with the second one first. So I think that I had already been feeling

pushed away by when when liberals started talking about things like white privilege and basically saying you know white people are basically born with this like original sin that comes along with our skin color that did not feel right to me because part of the reason I became a liberal in the first place is because I'm against racism I'm against bigotry and I to me that just felt like racism in what we traditionally believe to be the reverse I think that demonizing white people is not than demonizing black people. So that didn't feel good to me. The next thing that started to happen,

you know, I'm a gay man and my, within my own community, I started to see this radicalization of the transgender movement, where we were suddenly calling lots of different things transgender that are not transgender. And then taking it a step further, they were starting to basically, you know,

people use the term grooming, but I think telling a lot of kids and teen-ings, teenagers that the solution to their feelings of awkwardness or in a lot of cases, I think autism and things like that is that these kids are trans or they're telling them that they have no gender. The spectrum began to just grow and grow and grow. So I was already feeling like, you know, there was something very wrong with the state of liberalism. But to answer your first question, why was I able to work through my cognitive dissonance?

I honestly, I attribute a lot of that to the way that I grew up because I grew up in a household where I want to be kind of careful about how I say this, but there wasn't a lot of, we didn't address the truth oftentimes in my house. And I watched this happening. I guess I had the, I don't know if it's good fortune or misfortune, of being a very alert, aware person from an early age. And I was always very aware within my family dynamic that we didn't talk about things. we didn't address things,

that it was easier at times to whitewash things or sugarcoat them. And then I watched the destruction that that behavior caused. So I've always had this like irrepressible desire to deal with things honestly and to tell the truth. I believe very firmly that you can't fix things. You can't make things better until you can talk about them openly, honestly, and truthfully. So when I started to discover that we were being lied to and we were being deceived by the media, I actually, when I started walk away, I thought I was doing, well, I was doing a good thing with good intentions. It was so threatening to so many people on the left that their knee-jerk reaction was to vilify me and demonize me rather than listening to what I was actually saying because what I was actually saying was, hey, guys, we don't have to be afraid of Trump.

And that's a good thing. Like, you don't have to love him. You don't have to support him. If you don't want to walk away from the Democratic Party, you don't have to. that's totally fine. But stop living your life in fear and terror from what this man you think he's going to do or what's going to happen because we're being deceived. We're being lied to by the media.

But I think a lot of people are addicted almost to that hatred of Donald Trump. And they can't work through that cognitive dissonance. So it's actually easier to hate me and vilify me than recognize that you don't have to be afraid of Donald Trump. Interesting. And then you got hitting the crossfire on January 6th. Yes. Yeah.

So apparently my message was so terrifying to people that as sort of this feeling of antipathy toward me grew and grew over two and a half years. I started Walkaway in May of 2018. And by the time we got to the end of 2020, Walkaway was two and a half years old. Over half a million people had already joined the movement at that point. Tens of thousands of people shared their videos and written testimonials sharing their walkaway stories with us. And I was invited to be a speaker at a permitted event on Capitol grounds on January 6th. And as I was approaching the Capitol and to do my scheduled speaking engagement,

I started getting messages on my phone saying that there was something going down at the Capitol. I was getting messages that the speaking engagement may be canceled because there was some sort of disruption. And at the time, I had like a million, a million and a half followers on social media. So I thought, okay, if something is in fact going on at the Capitol, I want to capture it myself so that I can report accurately to people what's actually going on. So I started shooting a video and I walked up to the Capitol from the east side and I stood outside of the Capitol for eight minutes on January 6th. I never entered the Capitol. When I got to the east side of the building, there were zero police officers, literally zero, not a single police officer. The Barrier, the

barricades were already fully open by the time that I arrived. There were thousands of people standing outside. I walked up the steps. When I got to the top of the steps on the east side, the doors of the Capitol were fully open on the east side. And there was a crowd of several hundred people at the top of the stairs. Some of them were kind of pushing their way into the building. The majority of people like me stood outside and shot a video. So I stood there for eight minutes shooting this video. And then a man came out at the building, got on a bullhorn. and said they've cleared Congress, everybody's left the building,

move out, move out. And I immediately turned around and even told the people behind me, they're saying that everyone needs to move out, you should go this way. And I went down the stairs and then I uploaded that video to Twitter. People started asking me

over the course of the next couple of weeks, are you afraid that something's going to happen to you because they were going after so many people? But I said, no, I'm not afraid because I didn't break the law. I didn't go inside the building and I didn't participate in a riot. And I didn't even witness other people right. No one was breaking windows where I was.

Nobody was fighting with police officers. There weren't any police officers on the east side of the building. So I said, no, I'm not afraid at all. So imagine my surprise, two and a half weeks after January 6th on the morning of Monday, January 25th, when a team of FBI agents in tactical gear stormed my apartment. at dawn, got me out of bed, put me in handcuffs, told me that I was facing multiple felony charges for what I had done on January 6th, and began stripping my apartment of my computers, my phones, my iPads, hard drives, thumb drives, camera equipment, clothing, taking my things,

putting them in bags while they carted me off to jail. And that began what turned into about a three-year legal nightmare with the U.S. Department of Justice. Did you have any contact Have you ever thought about reaching out to any of those FBI guys and seeing how they feel about what they did? Well, the agent who, I say, concocted my case was an FBI agent named Jeremy Desor. And he kept his job up until just a few months ago

when it was recently discovered that he was one of the key players and I guess you'd say architects of Arctic Frost. which was the FBI initiative against Donald Trump, which led to them storming his home and raiding his place at Mara Lago and taking his things. So he has recently been fired. I used the word concocted because there was no reasonable case against me. And they didn't go after.

They identified other people that were standing around me. Those people didn't get charged. I got charged with a felony for what they called occupying, restricted grounds, but other people standing right next to me got charged with nothing. Since they had no case against me, what they did was this agent, Jeremy Dessor said, well, Mr. Strach is the leader of this walkaway movement. He has a very large following. He does events all over the country.

Hundreds, sometimes thousands of people come. So he has a large influence. People listen to him. And by virtue of the fact that Mr. Strach chose to go to the Capitol on January 6th and stood outside of the building, he was encouraging other people to participate. participate in the riot on January 6th. And because of Mr. Strachc, police officers got, what's that? Did you, were you live streaming it or did you put it right up?

Or, I mean, when did you post it? I was immediately after. So anyone who does content creation knows when you're in a crowd of thousands of people, you can't get a good signal. So what I chose to do instead was just film what I was seeing, walk away from the crowd, and then upload the video to Twitter. So, yeah, I mean, it's preposterous, the idea that I would film myself encouraging the crowd to storm the building or harm police officers and then upload that to my conservative audience whose pro-law enforcement is beyond the pale. But nobody was really asking reasonable questions in D.C. with January 6th, you know, the entire Department of Justice, the court system, the prosecutors, these were all Biden fans.

Well, I'll say anti-Trumpers. These were all anti-Trumpers. So they were able to get away with all of it. It's breathtaking. It really makes me feel like, you know, when no one's safe when this kind of rapaciousness gets going. It's just, I hope that guy is long way from the justice system or government,

but who knows. And then finally, I think it was you that we're pointing out that there's a little bit of tribal sort of hive mentality, I think someone called it. Mag is going sort of at war with itself here and there. And certainly there are rogue influencers out there now that are saying things that people hard to understand.

But what's your interpretation of all this? Well, basically what I'm saying is, you know, when I left the left, one of the reasons I left the left is because we were no longer allowed to have civilized debate, discourse. We couldn't discuss things or have nuanced opinions about anything. It was basically, here's the prescribed narrative. you either go with it, either trans women or women, and that's it, or black lives matter, and that's it. There's no room for argument. It became intolerable to me, so I had to leave. You know, I've been MAGA now since 2018, and I found what I call kind of the promised land over here,

where I was allowed to, you know, we could have nuanced opinions, we could disagree with each other without being disagreeable, but something has happened over the last year where there's this very loud and vocal sect within the movement that if you disagree with anything President Trump says or does, they've gotten pretty vicious and savage. And it's like, you know, you're a traitor. You're no longer MAGA. We can't trust you. We don't believe you. And I'm sitting here going, look, I've gone to jail for this cause. I had my name and reputation destroyed for this cause. And I've spent the last eight years traveling the country, getting hundreds of thousands of people to wake up and think differently and come over to our side of the island support President Trump. Now, I'm not a member of a

cult just because, you know, I support President Trump and I love the movement does not mean that I'm going to agree with every single thing he says or does. And we should be able to do that and talk about it without people in our own movement calling us traitors or questioning if we're MAGA enough. So I want to see us stop doing that because as we head into the midterms, we've, you know, there's a lot of things right now that people are not feeling satisfied with or are, you know, are frustrated about. And I think that we need to be able to, again, talk about these things openly and honestly so that we can fix them so that we can get on the same page and go into the midterms unified.

Caleb, I'm guessing you're a Brandon fan, Caleb, and I'm guessing you have some observations about the fringes that he's talking about. I wonder if you have any questions for Brandon. Sorry, I missed that. I was lining up callers. Sorry. Sorry. I was just saying that I'm guessing you're a Brandon fan,

and he just talked about how some of the fringe magas sort of at war with itself. I figured that would be something you might be interested in. No, and what I'm actually more interested in is the story about how you left the left, because as a lot of people know, some people know, I may have to tell everybody. You may have been working on calls. No, what I'm saying is I also in a way left to left. Like, I waited in line for six hours so that I could be in the front two rows to see Bernie Sanders in Los Angeles, like right in that same election.

Like I really looked up to that guy. I was so into it. I was putting monthly donation. nations, it's the only politician I've ever donated to was Bernie Sanders. But then as I got older, I didn't have kids back then. I wasn't married back then. Now I'm married and I have kids and I look back at those ideas that just look, they look so amazing. I'm just thinking, this might be a great idea for something 50 years from now. This is not something that could work in our current world. And it really blew my mind in the same way that you're seeing these same things. This was also

before COVID. When COVID happened, that would have been my walkaway moment right there, seeing what happened, what they were trying to do with Dr. Drew. That would have been my moment. So it's very interesting, especially when I'm meeting people and especially some of my friends, all these California liberals, they're starting to wake up and walk away the same way that you did. Well, I'll say, you know, in regards to the Bernie Sanders thing or the kind of rise of democratic socialism within the Democratic Party, you know, we on the conservative side of the aisle always tend to get this bad rap, like that we're not compassionate people, that we support policies

that are not kind and don't lift people up and don't support them. It took me a while from leaving from left to right to realize it's actually the conservative policies that are much more compassionate and much more kind because as it pertains to say Bernie Sanders or Democrat socialists, when you just give things away to people and you're basically saying you're not capable of taking care of yourself, you're disincentivizing people from being able to go out and be what they were intended to be, do their best, participate in the system and rise up. The most compassionate thing I think that you can do oftentimes is to tell people you've got to take care of yourself and you can. You can do it in this country. You can go out

and lift yourself up. We shouldn't be giving handouts to people. And don't take it from the successful people. Don't take it from like it doesn't work trickling up. Like that doesn't work. It's if you Bernie Sanders was president and came in here and jacked Dr. Drew's taxes up 10 times, that would cut into my paycheck. I may not even be able to have a job because it might cut into the cost for the show. Like, it doesn't make sense when you actually understand how the economy works. Right. We would still pay you, Caleb. When people say pay your fair share, well, I pay almost 60% now. So what is my fair share? Is it 90% of, is 80%? People don't understand how much taxes people are actually paying.

But gosh darned, I had one other point I wanted to make. God, I should write it down when I'm thinking about stuff. Oh, I said look no further than the homeless, Brandon. Look what you do when you ask people to do nothing. They die if they have certain brain conditions. You ask a homeless person to do nothing. Their disease progresses, they will die without exception. And that's a great model for the lack of human thriving if you don't give them what they need to thrive. I have to move along.

I appreciate you being here very much. Where do you want people to go to find you? They can follow me on any social media platform at my name, which is at Brandon Straca. It's spelled S-T-R-A-A-K-A-A-K-A. Please go to walkaway campaign.com. Sign up for our email list and our texting list. That's how you can keep in touch with us as we're doing events and doing our work all over the country. Walkawaycampaign.com.

Yeah, and that's it. We're also real walk-away on most social media platforms. Great. I appreciate to be here. Hope we see you again soon. Thanks for having me. you bet it all right next up another extraordinary legal battle that is you know breathtaking and uncanny it's dr ron elfinbine facing 50 years in prison uh because he spoke up and said taking away monoclonal

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This story is breathtaking. And not only that, let me just frame my bias on this. I remember when Florida, what state were you in with this all got started? Maryland. Maryland. So I was in Florida. I remember when Florida started having the vans running around giving monoclonal antibodies to sick people. And I thought, man, this is the solution.

This is what we should be doing. I myself was getting very sick with alpha or delta, whatever I had. And I took monoclonal antibodies. And during the infusion, I started feeling better. In fact, the colors came back in the room. And the nurse who was doing the infusion said, yeah, I hear this all day long. So we know they were efficacious, more efficacious than the vaccine. in terms of preventing serious illness and hospitalization.

And lo and behold, the Biden administration took away the access from Florida, and then I started seeing the access limited here in California, where I had a patient that didn't fit the right profile for receiving the monoclonia antibodies. You had to come from a risk community, whatever that meant. He developed a pulmonary embolus, nearly died and became encephalopathic, this close to dying because they wouldn't give him. him the monoclonal antibodies. What happened in your case? So I'm an emergency room doctor. Like you said, I started an urgent care center.

And we became sort of the de facto testing site for my county and then ultimately the state of Maryland. We started with about six employees before the pandemic. And at the height of the pandemic, we had over 300. And we went from one site to eight sites. And it wasn't because of any magic. It was because there were patients who were just overwhelming us. We kept coming and coming and coming. And when the monoclonals were released, I became a very early adapter. I recognized how efficacious they were, as you said. Truly, I've never seen anything like it in my career as a doctor, just how efficacious they were and how, as you said, people would come in on death's door, you'd give it to them, and they would turn around like that. In a couple of hours, they were like

night and day. And I saw it again and again and again. And we actually became the largest supplier of monoclonal antibodies in the state of Maryland, surpassing Johns Hopkins. and the University of Maryland. And as you pointed out, the Biden administration did something very curious. First of all, they federalized the distribution of it. And overnight, we now had problems getting a hold of it. There were artificial shortages created because they did that. And then they started to use equity, whatever that means, as it means for distribution,

not need, but equity, which is why Florida was cut off. Florida, they couldn't get it. Ronda Santis, the governor had to go out and purchase it on the open market with taxpayer dollars because the feds cut the supply off, which is just unconscionable because Florida had a major outbreak and people were dying. So I went on Fox News

and I went on Newsmax and it's actually kind of funny. Your buyer guest, Sean Spicer, had me on his show. And I started talking, I was like, this does not make any sense. This is not medically sound. And they're going to kill people.

And, you know, I went on, this is the article from Fox News. When I went on, I started talking about it. And I said, they're going to kill people because they shut the whole program down in late December of 2021. And I said,

people are going to die because of this. Four months later, without any warning, totally out of the blue, I find myself indicted on federal health care fraud charges for patients. I had not even seen. We had nurse practitioners and PAs at our sites that were seeing patients. The government hadn't even looked at the charts. They got me on five counts of health care fraud. Here are the charts. The government didn't have the charts. They didn't even have them because I hadn't turned them over yet. They indicted me anyway. And they, they, you know, they went after me and it was like the worst experience I've ever gone through in my life. And the federal judge, the chief federal judge who was adjudicating my case actually called the government out before the trial at a pretrial conference.

He said, this looks like a case of, quote, shoot first and ask questions later. And that's exactly what it was. It was very like Stalinesque. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. I specifically spoke out. I exercised my First Amendment right. I said that they're going to kill people. They don't know what they're doing. And, you know, the monoclonals also, I'm sure you know, put the emergency use authorization of the vaccine in direct, you know, they could have lost this in the UA because the monoclonals were so efficacious.

And, you know, they came after me for it. And it's just, it's inconscionable. I mean, it's terrible. And, you know, just to get back to the medicine of this, you know, the virus figured out some ways around the original monoclonal, but there were two or three more incarnations, including multiple monoclonals and a single agent and stuff. So the medical community and the pharmaceutical companies were proceeding with developing more and more advanced approaches, and yet you couldn't get it. Oh, they shut the whole program down in late December,

based on ridiculous misreading of ridiculous data. And I called them out on it. I said, you don't know what you're doing. You're misreading the data. These models don't make any sense. true. Just to put it into perspective, they said that the prevalence of Omicron at the time reached 70% threshold. And they said, once that happens, we're going to shut the program down. And that's what they said happened. First of all, we don't know because we weren't doing genetic testing on enough people to know truly what the prevalence was. But even if you say it's fine, 70%. They took away people's right to make their own informed consent and decision with their doctor, whether they should get that infusion or not, which essentially had no side effects. It really didn't. I mean, it was

the safest medicine out there. And they took that away from people, but they said it was 70%. The federal government, two weeks later or three weeks later, whatever it was, said, oh, we were wrong. The prevalence wasn't 70%. It was 20%.

They got it wrong by a factor of 50%. Now, only the government can make a mistake like that and face no consequences and get away with it. I mean, you lost your medical license if you did something like that. It's incredible. Oh, yeah, my God. And so what has happened with all this?

So the government came after me and I, three week trial because I didn't do anything wrong. The federal judge, who I mentioned before, adjudicating my case, issues this 93 page opinion I have right here, 93 pages. And he threw out the case and he said, you're acquitted. And not only are you acquitted, but you guaranteed a new trial in case the government appeals it. And I just want to read a couple of quotes because they're pretty damning.

He said such things as, quote, the evidence weighs so heavily in favor of the defendant that it would be unjust to enter judgment against him, end quote. The government did not carry its burden and no reasonable jury could have so concluded, end quote. And I mean, it goes on and on and on. He said, there can of course be no crimes if the defendant complied with those rules. I mean, 93 pages of that of just castigating the government saying they shouldn't have brought this case. The AMA, the American Medical Association, wrote an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief on my behalf, saying that the rules the government was coming after me for,

for breaking, the AMA wrote those rules, and I didn't break those rules. The very people who wrote the rules came to my defense and said he didn't break those rules, as did the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, said the same thing. You know, this was a global pandemic, right? Everybody was worried they were going to die.

It was like trauma surgery. Every single day, we had patients overwhelming us. One of our sites, we would open at 8 a.m. We'd have people lining up at 4 o'clock in the morning. We had to hire off-duty police officers because the line was a mile down the road with cars. Literally, I'm not exaggerating. I videotaped it. A mile.

It was crazy. And now the government's coming after this, coming after me for this nonsense that makes no sense that, you know, the judge threw the whole thing out and said it was ridiculous. But then as they're literally, as they're taping their boxes to leave their offices because Trump is about to be inaugurated, the Biden, DOJ appealed it. So now the case is kind of moving forward and is on a path to a new trial in August. So I have to go through this horror show yet again in August. And I'm trying to get in touch with someone on the weaponization task force. Donald Trump established with Attorney General Bondi through this memo on February 5th of 2025. It was established a weaponization task force to look for cases exactly like mine.

In fact, item number seven on the memo is looking for whistle. blowers. And that's exactly what I was. I said they're going to kill people. They don't know what they're doing. And this is putting the emergency use authorization of the vaccine at direct risk, which is exactly what happened. And they shut the whole program down. And I call them out on it. And now I'm getting punished for it because I spoke up and I tried to save people's lives. It's unconscionable and it's terrible. Is anybody getting behind you? Is there any, you know, anything that's going to be done? Yeah, so I'm trying to get a hold of the weaponization task force. They don't have a website and they don't have anyone to call. So I'm trying to get a hold of Todd Blanche, who now became the, you know,

it was the deputy attorney general and now became the attorney general. And he's the chair of this of this task force, but I don't have his phone number. I did speak to a United States senator who was behind me. I spoke to a secretary in the cabinet who's behind me. You know, it's, I just, I'm at a loss. I don't know what to do. I can't explain why they're still coming after me. think it's just the right hand isn't talking to the left hand. The case was started under Biden,

the DOJ. And it's just continuing. Yeah. Have you tried Hermit Dillon? Again, I don't have a direct line to her. So if somebody knows how to get a hold of her, I'd really much appreciate getting in touch with these people because, you know, this case is so crazy. And it just doesn't make any sense. And it nearly bankrupted me. My wife's a physician as well. She's aides oncologist at a major academic center. And she, you know, she treats kids with cancer. God, she was still working because I couldn't work for two years. You know, it nearly bankrupted me. It, like, destroyed my life.

I have four children. It's, it's, it's, it's, this weaponization is, is awful. I wonder, it's just, it is awful. Well, I got a quick, somebody has a question for you, I think. Let's get that question. His name is John. Let's see, what do you, John, do you have a question for us? Is he still there?

John? Naples, Maryland. I wonder Ron is if it's maybe because they imagine there's some liability that they've incurred now. So they have to keep going to try to mitigate that liability. I think that's something to that. Now, I just want to put this into perspective, by the way. So they got me on five counts, five individual patients. In that timeframe, we saw over 100,000.

And the government never even had a professional coder look at these charts. They just had government attorneys look at them and say they were upcoded. We had a professional coder at trial. I'm still on. We went through the cases and said they were all coded appropriately. Sub school, we had another coder. We hired another coder at my expense to look through them. And this guy, the second coder, teaches the DOJ how to find fraud.

And he said there's no fraud. I mean, I don't know what else I can do. Like, it's just, and the difference between a level five, a level four, which is what we were billing at a level three is $50. $50.50. The government is trying to throw me in jail for 50 years and take away millions of in which I don't have over $250 that they're saying that we quote unquote stole.

At worst, this is a coding dispute over silly codes that are ridiculous during a major pandemic when the world is shut down and people are dying, they're going to come after me with this nonsense. It's unconscionable. I agree with you. John, are you still there? Would you like to ask something?

Yes, yes. Yes, I have a question. The Webinization Task Force according to the news has been meeting every single day now. Is there a reason why the task force would not be calling you, Dr. Ron? As opposed to you having to call them. It sounds like there's a case that if they were directed to look at this by the president, that they're required to do it, especially if they're meeting every day.

Thank you. You know, before you answer this, Ron, Ron, I would say anybody listening, why don't you tweet about what you're hearing here and tag whoever's on the weaponization task force, tag the president, try to use social media to get some attention here. Maybe some of the right person will see it. So anyone listening like John, you know, can put, you know,

maybe Ron, you can put a little sort of benign tweet up or X up, ex post up and let the audience take care of the rest in terms of amplifying. If I can say something from this, good idea. If I could say something, Dr. Ron, Harmeet Dillon constantly hears about cases when people tweet them to her on X and then repost it and then takes action. She's very active on X if you find her account and tweet at her. She's running with the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

Tag me. Tag me. We'll try to bring it to her attention. Yeah. So that's good. Thank you. To John's point, I think that's a great point. And he's right that the president has now said that that task force has to meet daily.

And their job is to look for cases exactly like mine. And this could be a win for the administration. They could look at this and say, there's real fraud going on in the world. This is not real fraud. Real health care fraud, Dr. Drew, as you know, is when patients don't exist and things get done that never get billed for that were never done. That is not this case. Nobody is alleging that.

In fact, the government called three of the five patients at trial, and they all test, Yes, I got seen by a provider. Yes, I got two tests. Yes, I had my vital signs taken. They were all real people. Like, this is not healthcare fraud. This is insane. It is.

I mean, it's, it's, it's, you know, sort of la la land. It's like, where am I? What do I do? You know, you're in, it's like being, well, it's Stalin-esque, that kind of thing. You know, it's like Kafka-esque is really Kafka-esque. John, thanks for that call. And I'll tell you, like the former deputy attorney general, so sorry, the former deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, he came out, I've never paid him a dime, he doesn't work for me, he's not my lawyer.

He came out and issued a statement in the Baltimore banner, a public statement saying that, that this was a ridiculous case that the Biden people should never have brought. You know, he's a former deputy attorney general of the United States and the former Maryland attorney, U.S. attorney, the former governor of our state gave me a personal citation for all my work during COVID, and another former governor wrote a letter to the DOJ on my behalf. Like, I've done nothing wrong. Like, this is just pure weaponization at its worst. God, and why doesn't it stop? That's the weird thing. What about, I guess, the previous judge has no more jurisdiction once it goes to appeal, right? No, so the previous judge actually was supposed to adjudicate the new case. But he just, he's so angry,

about this. He just recused himself. About a month or two months ago, we got a one line email that says, I have recused myself from this case. And I could think of no other reason other than he's so angry that this is still going on because he recognized how ridiculous this whole thing was from the very beginning that he just recused himself because he can't be objective. And that's his job as to be objective. Maybe the fact that he's recused gives him a position to be able to write a letter for you or something. I guess he could ask my team. I could ask my team. I could ask my team. I could ask my team. Yeah, that's a good point. Oh, my God.

And, you know, not to pat myself on the back, but as I said, the governor gave me a personal citation. The Maryland state legislature gave me a citation. And the state medical society, for all the work I did during COVID, named me its person of the year, even after I got indicted. So, you know, I was out there. I didn't see my family for two years. I was busted my butt, you know, trying to save as many lives as I could. And this is what they come after me for. Like this nonsense. It's just, it's unbelievable. And I firmly believe if Donald Trump, President Trump heard about this,

he would just make it, you know, just tell him to drop the case. But I just think it's the right hand, doesn't know what the left hand is doing, and they're not talking. And I just need to find the right person to help make this go away. And really it was because you raised an issue in public in the, on Fox News, essentially. That's really why you came under scrutiny, isn't it? on Fox News and Newsmax. And I was the largest supplier in the state.

So I think that me being so public about how, first of all, how wonderful the monoclonals were and how efficacious they were. And then publicly embarrassing them, I think, you know, the fact that I was touting how great these things were posed a direct threat to the emergency use authorization of the vaccine, which they didn't like. And then on top of that, I publicly embarrassed them. And look, I mean, you know, certainly the fact. that we were seeing so many people probably raised some red flags, you know, because the way they look at these things, Medicare, and they basically just look at the data. And, you know, we went from billing whatever it was to probably 30 times that in a year. But that's because there was a pandemic going on. And I just want to say, like, we had perfectly reasonable rationale for why

we were billing the way we were billing. And by the way, we had a independent billing company, too, that was billing for us. But the government never gave me the opportunity to, how to have a discussion about this. They never called me and said, hey, could we talk about this? Hey, could you come in and could you explain your billing practices or whatever? They never gave me that opportunity. They just came out me with a sledge hand. And they never talked to me before trial about a plea deal or anything else, which even the judge found odd. He called them out on that in the first day of trial. I am so sorry. It just is a horrible thing. And that feeling of helplessness is traumatic. It's traumatic. And it's having real effect on your family. I'm so sorry.

Well, let's do me a favor, put the ex post up, tag me and Hermit Dillon, and I will try to get it in front of her as best I can. I want the audience to amplify it with outrage. Don't let you, Dr. Ron is not going to express outrage because it only makes things worse with people like this. But let's see if we can get some interest going. It would be important, I think. Yes, thank you. And I will say that people should care, not just because it's, you know, me, it's a sad story and all that, but which it is, of course. But, you know, this is my First Amendment right.

And if they can do this to me, they can do this to you. If they can do this to President Trump, they can do it to you. They can weaponize anything against you. And we shouldn't allow this to happen because it is the most un-American thing there is. Well, when Trump said, if it happened to me, it could happen to you, you were actually the living proof of that. You are actually that case. It happened to Trump and it happened to you. So here we are.

I would say that if President Trump knew what was going on with my case, he'd especially be angry because he received a monoclonal antibodies. And they saved him. Yep. When he got COVID. So I think he would take him personal interest. They saved me and they saved me and not getting it in a case that I was treating nearly died. He didn't get it because of that equity policy.

He wasn't coming from the right region of the region. He wasn't the right profile. And he couldn't get it. and he knew he was in trouble. He was short of breath. And then he got pulmonary emboli, then he got pulmonary infarx, then he got pneumonia.

Thank God he managed to stay off the ventilator, but he was encephalopathic. He wouldn't let them put the ventilator in, which is interesting. But he made it just, but for the grace of God. So here we are. Okay, well, listen,

I appreciate you sharing your story with us. I'm sorry it happened to you, but hopefully we can make a difference. Let's see what happens. Thank you, Ron. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right.

God bless. We will follow you on X. Let's make sure we all have his X. I know, it's just awful. I mean, it's just, you could hear it in his voice. He's just, he. Listen, could it be otherwise? He's on Ron Elfenbine MD.

You know, I mean, you know Harmeet. You've talked with Harmeet. I feel like it's like two seconds after she hears about this horrible case. It would all be fixed. So it's just about getting the attention to the right people. Can we do a little clip from this, you have him? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Uh,

yeah, that would be a good idea. I can't find it. Because at least you know, he can explain, it explains everything. Just in his soundbite would, you know,

how they let him off and then the judge quit, you know, maybe something that people can watch. On Health and Bind MD on X is not coming up, everybody. I have it, honey. It's,

you got it. Okay. Yeah. I put it out to everybody on, on the restream end on Rumble. You know, if he, if we can do something just to get the message out,

maybe. No results. Oh, for Ron Elfinbine, M-D. B-E-I-N-D. That's what I put down. Weird. I'll figure out one of the problem. I clicked on it.

I put out a good link. John's call was very good, by the way. Thank you for that call. Let's look at the restream. Godspeed, Ron, is what everyone's saying. I know. Serious stuff. I mean,

yeah. The blood medicine were all silenced. They were not allowed to do anything. We all felt like that. I have a memory of how I felt when you were silenced and how bad. I mean, we... It was such a mess. It remains that way, but it still is a mess.

Well, I had to hire a PR person from a legal firm, but... Didn't do anything. But still, you know, these people are medical servants and they don't have a ton of money. They can't just go out and... I mean, I think he's got to go fund me on there if anybody fills up to it. But it's, you know, it's very difficult. when you don't, you know, he's four kids. Yeah, I know.

I'm looking at some of your comments here. A lot of her meat support there. Well, he does have a gives and go. He has a give send go link if you want to support his case. His legal defense case. Okay. Let's. I hate to do that.

I hate to ask for stuff like that, but, you know, it's, it says he hasn't posted. What do you mean? On X? Yeah, but the drop the case.com is on here. He's probably afraid to post on anything. Or maybe they censored him there too. I don't know.

I don't know. It was like... Okay, well, listen, let's put what's coming up here. Lots of grave concerns. Oh, that's his... Okay. Let's see.

Patricia Heaton coming in on Tuesday, Dr. Kelly Victory on Wednesday. And then I can't quite read it from here. Who's in on... Rad Palimbo's coming in on Thursday. I see that. On Tuesday. 2 p.m. Pacific.

Brianna Wu is coming in. We got Patricia Heaton, Eric Bowling, and Emerald Robinson on Tuesday. Then Wednesday, Dr. Kelly Victory returns. Then on Thursday, Brianna Wu, Viva Fry, Brad Palumbo. And then all down the list, Brian Cole, Aaron Siri,

Del Big Tree, Salty Cracker. A lot of people coming in in the next couple weeks. Yep. A lot of good ones. Again, more great guests. Thank you, Emily Barth. And we will see you next Tuesday at 2 p.m. Pacific time. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer.

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