Ask Dr. Drew - Brianne Dressen: COVID-19 Vaccine Trial Participant Sues AstraZeneca After Years Of ‘Electrocuting Pain’ & Mere $1300 Compensation Offer – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 426

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

In 2020, Utah mom & former teacher Brianne Dressen wanted to help her community through the pandemic, so she joined a clinical trial of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine – one of the first in the USA. But afterward, she says she developed such severe side effects, she began planning her own suicide to escape the “constant agony.” Within hours of beginning the trial, Brianne experienced adverse reactions including “blurred vision, a headache, ringing ears and vomiting” that worsened and required multiple hospitalizations. Now grappling with enormous medical expenses, Dressen is suing the pharma giant after it allegedly offered her a single payment of $1,243.30 in compensation despite her medical costs exceeding $400,000. Brianne’s case is covered in the upcoming book “Worth a Shot?: Secrets of the Clinical Trial Participant Who Inspired a Global Movement” available at https://amzn.to/4eEyykA Aaron Siri is Brianna Dressen’s attorney. He is the Managing Partner of Siri & Glimstad LLP and has extensive experience in a wide range of complex civil litigation matters and class actions. Find more at https://www.sirillp.com/aaron-siri/ Dr. Meryl Nass is a board-certified physician with over 40 years of experience in all areas of internal medicine. She is a nationally recognized expert on epidemics who has consulted for government agencies around the world, especially focussing on anthrax, Zika, Ebola, and biological warfare investigations. Follow Dr. Nass at https://x.com/NassMeryl and learn more about Door To Freedom at https://doortofreedom.org 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

and today uh about 45 minutes or so we'll get dr meryl nass back in here she has some updated information but first we're going to speak to brian dresden she is had been injured in the astrazeneca vaccine clinical trial she was a participant now disabled and suing astrazeneca she is a vaccine injury advocate she is co-founderfounder of React19. She has a book coming out, Worth a Shot, Secrets of the Clinical Trial Participant Who Inspired a Global Movement. And that will be Brianne's saga. And we'll bring her attorney in here as well, Aaron Siri.

He has civil rights, informed consent, class action, high-stakes disputes. Got a lot to talk about with him and with Brianne. We'll get right to it after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

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All right, so we got a lot to get into here today. Let's just get right to it. Brianne, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. So tell us the story. You know, everything started, you know, at the beginning of the pandemic, just like anybody else. I was watching the news and I was really concerned about what I was seeing. I have a lot of medical professionals in my family and hearing what was going on in the hospitals was also alarming to say the least. So I wanted to do my part to help get everybody out

of the pandemic. And I enrolled in a clinical trial with AstraZeneca here in the United States. So November 4th, 2020, I got my one and only shot and my reaction started within an hour. And I started with this severe, strange pins and needles sensation down the same arm as my injection. And it spread to my other arm, my body, head to toe. And that same horrific pins and needles prickling sensation is with me to this day, every moment of every day. I landed in the hospital. On the one side or down in your lower extremities? I actually have it body wide. So it's spread from one side to the other. And then it spread from my head down to my feet and it actually moves with my heartbeat. And I do understand

what you're saying. Yeah. So it's the first thing I feel when I wake up in the morning. It's the last thing I feel when I'm not off to sleep with a bunch of meds to calm down the severe pain. Have you had a nerve biopsy to see if they can identify what's going on in the nerve? Go ahead. Yes. So the first time I had a nerve biopsy done, it was at the National Institutes of Health when they flew 20 plus of us out to be studied for neurological complications to the COVID vaccines. My first neuropathy test showed very minor, you know, minuscule levels. I just had it rechecked. So three years

later, and it's definitely progressing and getting worse. So I've been diagnosed with post-vaccine neuropathy from the National Institutes of Health. That's been verified by several world experts, as well as dysautonomia, POTS, which is, you know, the heart dysregulation. It's basically a neuroimmune condition where your immune system can't really help your nervous system regulate itself. And it does end up in a multi-system cascade of syndromes from brain fog, fatigue, pins and needles, numbness, weakness, heart rate fluctuations,

food sensitivities, hair loss loss it sounds an awful lot like long covid um yeah you're smiling well it's just it's you know it's interesting because we really should be studying long covid and post-vax syndrome or long vax. So we can actually get both of the patient populations better. Well, you know, there are isolated, I got to talk to your attorney about this, but there are isolated organizations out there doing so. It's just, there's certainly no cohesive government led sort of undertaking, which leads me back to the NIH. Was this all AstraZeneca adverse events that you were on the plane with, or was it all the vaccines that were being tested here? I was the only patient from AstraZeneca in the trial. Everybody else was Pfizer, Moderna.

There was one other person with J&J in the trial. And when you say J&J, is that the same as AstraZeneca? J&J is an adenoviral vector vaccine. So it's a very similar technology. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm actually confused about that because if I understand correctly, we should probably review this, which is this is not an mRNA vector.

This is an old platform. I took the J&J vaccine, and I'll tell you my story of woe in a few minutes. But I did it because I thought, well, you know, it's an old. First of all, I only need one vaccine, and that appealed to me. And secondly, it's an old vector. It's an old adenovirus, it's like a flu vaccine. It's literally how we do the flu vaccine. So I thought, I'll just take that. And AstraZeneca is the J&J in Europe, right? Isn't that sort of how it worked?

Yeah, so AstraZeneca is an Oxford product. So it was the golden child in the UK. And the UK at the very beginning of the vaccine rollout, they were telling the public, don't get the mRNA products. Just hang on for a couple more weeks. AstraZeneca is coming. This is the superior product of the UK. I remember that.

Yeah. I remember that. And then in the US, right? They had the golden children, which was Pfizer and Moderna, the new novel mRNA technology. It's such a crazy frame. You're absolutely right, though. It's exactly what happened. And that frame remains to this day in kind of a weird way, although AstraZeneca got left.

But, okay. So, and did you see any, were the vaccine injuries that were on the plane with you of a similar nature? They were near identical. These were all neuroimmune conditions. So they checked all of us with a similar testing. They checked the coagulation of our blood. They checked the MRIs, which just like everybody else, the MRIs looked fine. But that's when they really started looking into dysautonomia and POTS, small fiber neuropathy,

you know, EMGs with a large fiber neuropathy decay. And that's one thing that we've learned through our own research is the significant overlap between long COVID and post-vax syndrome. They look near identical, but there is a signature and people that are suffering with post-vaccine adverse events really do have a higher likelihood of having these longer term neurological nerve damage type syndromes. And you mentioned small and large. Do you have both? I do, yeah. My EMG came back positive on my left leg.

And again, I'm so curious. I'm used to these dishuanomas and these other sorts of immune-mediated polyneuropathies. You can see the immune cells attacking, essentially, the myelin cells. Is that what's happening in your case? Could they see that? Okay, so they could.

And was there anything characteristic about the immunogenic activity? In other words, were certain cells activated or could they tell? It was interesting. They couldn't quite identify it early on. And because of the political dynamic going on in the United States in the summer of 2021, they actually shut down the study in the middle of it. So they were following up with every single participant weekly saying, hey, what are your symptoms doing?

We've got some more updates on these tests that we've been waiting on. They were really engaging with the patients in a way that you would expect the government to be doing with a new novel set of diseases right but then of course osha mandates happened and literally within days our follow-up appointments to the nih were canceled even our flights were canceled to go out there again and all of a sudden it was radio silence. So these are all questions I- We'll call that disgusting. Let's just call it what it is. It's disgusting, whatever the explanation is.

And up until that point, and I'll bring your attorney here just a minute because I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to jump in here. But I want to get your story clear in my own mind because this is... Okay. So it's so nutty to me, this part of the story, that the NIH was looking after things, doing their job. Where was the FDA in this?

Funny you ask. The FDA, we plugged in with them at the end of summer of 2021. At this time, it was Peter Marks, head of biologics at the FDA. in communicating these adverse events as they emerge to the American public. As we saw in Germany and Denmark, they were doing something different, right? They gave us injured people that were advocating for other injured people. They gave us a long list of things that we should be doing to help them do their jobs. They asked us for all of the terms of neuropathy that we had identified in their VAERS system. They also did acknowledge to us that small fiber neuropathy is happening after COVID vaccination in women in particular. And I'm sure you may not know this, but small fiber neuropathy is not something that

happens in young, healthy women. Small fiber neuropathy is not something that happens in young, healthy women. Small fiber neuropathy is something that happens with diabetes or men with an average onset at age 59. This shouldn't be happening in women of childbearing age. They did find that signal. They acknowledged that to us, but then they still didn't feel that it was significant enough to disclose to the public. We hammered them on MIS, which is a potentially, and it has been deadly in children and teens. We also went after them with Guillain-Barre, clotting, myocarditis that ends in death. Actually, my lawyers read all of our communications with the

FDA. But yeah, so it's been a brutal process. All I can say is we did everything humanly possible to work within the system to get them to do the right thing. And it's devastating to know what they know by working with them. And then it's also's devastating to know what they know by working with them. And then it's also more devastating to know what they have yet to tell the public even four years after the COVID vaccine rollout began. Have you tried to make whatever you're describing there public? Yes. So Science Magazine has actually disclosed, they've done two reports on our information. We, of course, just like everybody else, we tried with New piece. So I guess it's an opinion, all of the documents that we have, but this hard block on getting the truth out, at the end of the day, all it's done is harmed people even further who were suffering with these adverse events across

the country who needed this information. And their providers, their doctors needed this information. No kidding. So I saw Deborah Birx kind of admitted this on Face the Nation this last weekend. I'm going to bring Aaron in and talk about that in just a second. But the last question to you before I bring him in here is, what do you want? What is your end game? What's your goal? My goal is to kind of restructure how we are approaching even the word vaccine injury. But whenever people think about vaccine injury now, they think politics. This is not a political issue. This is a health condition. This is a medical problem.

So disgusting. I want to vomit all over the table here. You have no idea how awful that is to hear that you still feel like that these medical issues. This has been the story of COVID from the beginning is that medication that you know, medication that people learned how to pronounce the name of in the morning had opinions about how those medicines should be used by the afternoon. They should, anyone who did that should absolutely freaking check themselves.

All right, let's bring Aaron in. I want to hear his, I'm certain, Aaron, you've got a lot to add to this conversation. There we are. Thank you for standing by while I got Brianne's story out. Where are you taking this? What is your perception of what's happening here? We want to get justice for Bree.

And so we have filed a federal lawsuit against AstraZeneca with regards to their breach of their promises to her now for most folks injured by kobe 19 vaccines as you probably already know unfortunately they can only bring a claim in something called the counter injury compensation program the cicp and that's because there's a law called the prep act and there's a lot of discussion about that that has given the COVID vaccine manufacturers immunity, reliability for the injuries caused by their product, because they're considered a COVID countermeasure. That's true of many of the measures that were implemented in medicine to treat, prevent, and so forth, COVID-19. But in Brie's case, unlike the case of almost everybody else in the country, AstraZeneca signed an agreement with her. And in that agreement, they made promises to her

as a participant in the clinical trial, and they didn't uphold those promises. So we were able to bring a lawsuit for her in federal court, and we hope to get justice for her and hold AstraZeneca accountable., we'd like to hold these pharmaceutical companies accountable for everybody that's injured. That's the way it's supposed to work. The reason that cars, planes, drugs, almost every product out there is safer is because the companies have an economic interest to assure its safety. They want to make money. And if they have to pay for harms, all right, then they'll assure the safety because they don they want to make money and if they have to pay for harms all right then they'll assure the safety because they don't want to get upside down but when it comes to these products

unfortunately they can't be held accountable directly yeah in this one instance we hope to do what about i mean it was the end is is the cost i mean imagine the damages are going to be the cost of all the medical care that she's having to get. Was that, when she was being cared for by the NIH, was that being covered? And if so, why aren't we holding the government responsible for withholding the care that she also deserved? Or is that going to be a separate lawsuit? I would love to be able to bring that lawsuit if there was a law that allowed me to do so. The federal government, you typically can only sue if they have waived immunity the federal government if they've waived the immunity allowed you to see them and so for sure i would love to i mean look when you think

about it what are the two ways we assure product safety and at the end of the day i just want to assure everybody vaccines are just products they're products like any other right there there's nothing really special per se. They're a product. They have a safety and efficacy profile, and there's a reality to that. And unlike every other product, we assure their safety by the fact that the company, as I mentioned before, is in economic interest. There's a second way we assure safety, and it's far weaker. It's not as effective, but it's regulators.

They serve a role, but they're never as effective. You think cars in America are safer because of regulators? Or do you think it's because of class action lawyers who sue them whenever they had a problem? Look at other countries where you can't bring those kinds of lawsuits and look at the safety profile of products there. And you can see very clearly economic forces work. With that said, there's no economic forces assuring their safety and then when it comes to the regulator to answer your question i know that took a long road but when it comes to the regulators they're hopelessly conflicted on the one hand they have to promote these products and on the other hand they have to assure their safety and those two

things come into tension and they're not separated when it comes for example to the department of Transportation that assures that it promotes transportation, they separate that from the NTSB that assures safety or the Department of Energy that promotes nuclear power plants. They separate that from the regulatory function of promoting, assuring the safety of nuclear power plants. product we inject into adults and often into children, which all have immunity, by the way, not just the ones, not just co-vaccines, all vaccines are national childhood vaccine drug 1986. Regulators are hopelessly conflicted because they serve that dual role. And they're the entity that you do bring a claim if you have one against. And so if they do any safety studies that show the vaccine causes any issues, lawyers will use it against the government to establish liability in the CICP for COVID vaccine. And it's something called the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for almost all other vaccines. Yeah, and Dr. Freiman pointed out to us that the way they determine at the FDA if the vaccine has caused an adverse event.

They got a guy. They just sent out a guy. Imagine if they had done that with Vioxx. Do you think that caused a heart attack? Nah, I don't think so. I mean, these are unprovable things. They are there, and you look at them, and you can't have a guy look at them on a case-by-case basis

and determine anything. And by the way, in the rolling into this interview, we played a tape of Dr. Freiman. And that interview, we heard from Dr. Marks, who was given a report on that phone call about an eight-year-old who died within a day of the vaccine or two. He fell ill within a day of the vaccine and died a few days later. And he said, wow, we haven't heard that day of the vaccine and died a few days later. And he said, wow, we haven't heard that report yet. I guess it fell through the cracks,

the cracks. And Farman's like, that should have been a holy shit moment. That would even just fell through the cracks. An eight year old died. And you're like, I guess, I guess our system isn't as good as we thought it was.

So what is it, Aaron, you hope to achieve? And are you contemplating a class action with this? Well, I would love to bring a class action on behalf of everybody that's been injured by a COVID-19 vaccine. We should have those against Pfizer, against Moderna, against J&J, against AstraZeneca for everybody injured because that's the way it's supposed to work. But you can't because of the PrEP-ACT immunity. I can't bring that suit. Brie is in a unique situation. Because she was in a clinical

trial and AstraZeneca and her signed an agreement, a written agreement in which they promised certain things to her, like to pay her medical expenses and so forth, and didn't uphold that, I can bring a claim against them for breach of contract. Normally, what you do when you have injured byproduct is you bring a claim for something called the design defect claim. You say, well, you could have made the product safer or failure to warrant claims, right? But those claims, the PrEP Act provides immunity for. So unfortunately, at the moment, I will say we do have two lawsuits pending right now in which we are seeking to strike down the prep act immunity is unconstitutional that's one way that that class action lawsuit could potentially happen

assuming assuming that after if that occurs that congress doesn't then put the COVID vaccine injuries into the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which was a program set up as a result of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. I can explain what that is if you'd like in about one or two minutes. In a second, though, I just want to ask one further question about Bree's situation and get her comment, too. Why is this taking so long? It seems like a breach of contract. It's in the contract. They violated the contract.

What's the problem? Why can't this be settled very, very easily and quickly? Is that for me? Oh, sure. Go ahead. I'll give Brie a chance. Well, I'll give you the answer to that. Because Brie's a good person.

She's a good person. And she kept trying to work with them, engage with them, have them, give them every single opportunity to do the right thing. Frankly, she went above and beyond what I think most folks would have done in terms of being patient, reasonable, and she's just a good person. And so that process played itself out over a period of time. And eventually, when they would not agree to do the right thing we brought a federal lawsuit and brie what was the issue why it's the they the contract was the contract the cost was the cost was there a time frame issue or what was it they were claiming they were claiming nothing

um the sad reality is as soon as i was injured they couldn't get away from me fast enough there were two times that i heard from them for any kind of amount of money and you know um at that point it wasn't about money i was trying to get some answers to what was going on in my body but they wouldn't respond to anything. And they both, the two times they responded were because reporters came after them. They offered me $590 for the first time. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, it can pay for maybe one, one 10th of a ER visit. And we actually told them, no, don't send us that money. Go back and look at our records and try again. And they wired the money to us anyway.

And we didn't hear from them again until another reporter hit them up. And the second settlement letter was for $1,200. They're not taking this seriously. And yeah. Is it because they're a British company? Is it that they could have said they're not used to this kind of attack or what's going on? That's a really good question. I would hope that at one point we can get one of them to just answer that in an honest fashion.

I guess that's one benefit of a lawsuit is hopefully that will force them to actually take this seriously and answer those questions that not just me injured in the clinical trial, but their other participants would like to know those. And we all enlisted in the fight against COVID together to help the greater good. I had no idea when I enrolled in this scientific experiment that I was actually enlisting in a corporate propaganda machine. I thought I was enlisting in a objective, active scientific process. And they did agree to help me if there was a problem and they didn't. Well, and I'm sure you understood there were risks of this thing when you're you're a guinea pig quite literally but it sounds like when the nih was doing their job you were you were you know okay they're they're taking care of me what am i what are you going to do

and then when they begged out and then they the trouble ensued that that's i think where things went off the rail a little bit but But I got to take a little break here. Aaron Siri S-G on X and Aaron Siri S-I-R-I on Substack. And is it Siri L-P? Am I getting that right, Aaron? It's Siri L-O-P dot com. That's my low. L-O-P.

There's two L's. Okay. That's my love. LLP, there's two Ls. Okay, that's my aging eyes. Brian Dresen, B-R-I-A-N-N-E-D-R-E-S-S-E-N on X and React19.org on X. And we're going to take a little break. Meryl Nass joins us in about 20 minutes or so, but hang tight.

We've got more to talk to on Aaron and Bree, and I'm going to look at what you guys are talking about on the rant and the restream. See if you have any questions for Brianne. Go ahead and put them there. I'll be back in just a minute. The wellness company knows that taking charge of your family's healthcare

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They did not give us the information in order to do it. And this has been a grave concern of mine from the beginning. When patients ask me what the risks are, particularly now with the boosters, I'm like, I have no idea. We have no idea because the variant that we're boosting for, you're taking the booster for a variant that existed eight months ago. So what the hell are we variant that existed eight months ago. So what the hell are we doing? Aaron, go ahead. Well, the way that I, you know, we've got 40 folks at our firm that just do vaccine related work.

I believe we have the largest vaccine practice in the world that doesn't represent pharmaceutical companies. 15 of those folks do vaccine injury claims. We don't sue pharmaceutical companies typically. We just sue in that program. And we sue the federal government in a program called the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. That's a very limited program. We'll compensate very limited things.

But when we do that, we want to assess, right, the safety and efficacy of the product, particularly, obviously, the safety. We want to see if a mother calls you and says, look, I gave my two-month-old a Hep B shot or a few vaccines, and then ended up with a grand mal seizure within 10 minutes. Well, how do we determine causation? How can we show whether the vaccine caused that issue? Well, normally the way you do it is you have a prospective trial that compares an exposed group to an unexposed group, commonly known as a clinical trial. Yes. All other medication, that's what you would do. Or medical products or medical devices. You would just do that. You would just do that.

And so with COVID vaccine, to your example, if somebody asked you, Dr. Drew, like you were saying, well, should I give them the booster? You'd want to look at the clinical trial data for that vaccine. Well, good luck finding it because it doesn't exist for most of the boosters. They're not using clinical trials. And unfortunately, the reality is that there's a giant delta between the clinical trials for vaccines and the clinical trials for drugs. When it comes to drugs, if I may, most package inserts, if you pull up that piece of paper in the box, you know, when you get the drug, there's that big piece of paper. You open it up. There's section big piece of paper. You open it up. Oh, yeah. Section 6.1. And as required by federal law,

it will summarize what was the clinical trial vis-a-vis safety relied upon to license that product. Well, for many drugs, like look at the top-selling Pfizer drugs,

Embril, Leroquist, Lipitor. You will see they're multi-year clinical trials that review safety against the placebo. So you can compare those that are exposed,

not exposed, and you can look at all can compare those that are exposed, not exposed, and you can look at all the body systems, you know, neurological system, immune system, cardiovascular system. You can see the delta between those. But with vaccines, you don't have that. And by the way, I took my word for it. It's all on the FDA website. You can go to FDA, you know, licensed vaccines.

And on one page, you can look at the clinical trials to license most vaccines. Unfortunately, you don't have that data. So you don't have it for the booster. For the underlying, the initial COVID vaccine product, at least for Pfizer and Moderna, you do have at least two months on average of placebo-controlled data. But I'll tell you, that's in six months of safety for approximately for rare events, but that's an aberration. That is rare. You're not going to find that for any clinical trial for vaccines. You will find it for drugs. Yeah, of course. And not only that, but when you look at, say, the Pfizer trials that they did do initially during that whole ramp up to bringing the vaccine out. If I remember correctly, you tell me if this is so,

they excluded people that were lost to follow-up for the two-week window after the vaccine was administered, which is the window during which the highest acuity is likely to develop, meaning that that's when people drop dead. And those people were just, oh, not in the trial. What are we going to do? We just lost them to follow up. Oh, let's move on.

Right. Am I wrong or am I right? Yeah, there were problems in the manner that you're describing. But may I one up you? And it's this. Go ahead. They said it's 95% effective. What was that based on?

Oh, yeah. It was based on the fact that about 100 and something individuals, and this was for Pfizer initially, 100 and something individuals had some symptoms consistent with COVID-19, and they tested positive. And about, I forgot what it was, it was a single digit of individuals in the vaccinated group the exposed group had some symptoms and they said therefore it's 95 effective that wasn't measuring you know when they gave it emergency use authorization that wasn't measuring death hospitalization or severe outcomes it was just measuring those symptoms and you know we brought the lawsuit that got against the fda when they wanted to hide the data for 75 years.

And we've gotten a lot of that data now, not all of it, to license the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. And when you look at that data, what you see is that there are hundreds and hundreds of individuals who had some symptoms consistent maybe with COVID, but were not tested. So how do you know that those who were tested were not cherry picked, were not an aberration? You know, they were telling every single American to test almost daily, but yet they couldn't just test everybody in this clinical trial, you're telling me? Really? And you know, had they done that, by the way, just once a week tested everybody, the 30 to 42,000 individuals, depending on the trial, you would have also known whether or not it prevented transmission, but they didn't do that. I'll add one last point, if to 42,000 individuals, depending on the trial, you would have also known whether or not it prevented transmission.

But they didn't do that. I'll add one last point, if I may, and it's this. While they did a statistical comparison with regards to the efficacy, that 95%, when it came to deaths, that's not what they did. There were over 20 deaths in the… Yeah, they didn't look at deaths at all, if I remember right. They didn't look at deaths at all. No, they did.

It was in the study, but they didn't use it as an endpoint, if I remember right, no? Well, severe outcomes was an endpoint. Death is a severe outcome. So it would certainly have been on the safety front, it measured serious adverse events. If you go to the FDA definition of serious adverse event, it has a list.

It's the fine term for the clinical trial. Death is one of them. So it did look at deaths as a safety outcome, safety outcome. And in that regard, if you look at all cause death mortality in the trials, there were 21, excuse me, one, I believe deaths in the vaccinated group for the Pfizer trial

and around 15 deaths in the placebo group. But did they do a statistical comparison? By the way, this again, not me. This is in the FDA documentation. You can pull it up yourself. It's on the FDA website in the summary documentation. But did they do a comparison, statistical comparison? No.

Instead, they let Pfizer explain away each death individually and say, well, none of them were related to the vaccine or to the placebo. Aaron, they got a guy. They got a guy that goes out and looks at it. The guy looks at it. The guy. I'd love to talk to that guy sometime. There are probably a few guys like that.

The guy is Peter Park. Well, no, no, he isn't. No, he isn't. He sends a guy out to look at it and reports to him, but they got a guy. So that's how they do it. So yeah, there's a mess. So when you look at all this,

and Brianne, I'm going to give you a chance once I finish with Aaron here. I'm sorry to keep you sort of silently listening to all this, but what has gone wrong? What's going on? Is it the PrEP Act? When you lie in bed and I think, well, how are we going to fix this? What do you imagine? Here's how we fix it. We just treat vaccines like every other product. I mentioned before Pfizer, that other drug products, right? Why do they do multi-year placebo controlled trials?

Because they want to know the safety, Dr. Drew, before it goes on the market. Because if they put a drug on the market and it hurts 100,000 people, they're on the hook. They don't want to end up financially upside down. It's not nefarious. It's just good business. They're there to make money. They're there to make money for their shareholders.

And so if vaccines were under that same economic regime, oh, they would do the proper trials because they want to know, not the FDA. But with vaccines, they're not on the hook. I'm going to say something incredible, but your viewers will have to check it themselves, okay? The very first vaccine they give on the first day of life, hepatitis B,

there's only two, Recombovax HB and Endrix B. There's only two hepatitis B vaccines on the market for a newborn. First vaccine on the CDC schedule. I urge all your viewers, go to the FDA website, pull up the package insert for Recumbivax HB. Go to section 6.1, and you will see that the FDA licensed that product to be injected into millions of babies on a clinical trial that had 147 children and five days of safety monitoring. And I don't, there's no, there's no control. Forget placebo in that trial. That trial is useless for assessing safety in a normal product. If it was a drug, no drug company would want to

put that product on the market if they were on the hook for injuries. But for this product, you can. And I don't know if you can share your screen. I mean, a great exercise. You can fact check me right now. Go to the FDA website right now. You could pull it up if you want to. I mean, it's a great exercise. I'm happy to share my screen.

Which subcategory? Say it again. Which hepatitis B vaccine is that? Yeah, so it's Recumbivax HB. So if you just go to f just go to google recombivax hb caleb and then which which uh which subsection 6.1 is that what you said that's right that's right all right so you pull it up now so you're so to answer your question how do you fix it so so here's how you fix it lift the immunity to liability so these

companies can be held accountable just like every other company you want to tell me that these products i'll give you these hepatitis b vaccines have been on the market now for decades you want to tell me 30 years later you still don't know it's safe enough to lift the immunity really you still can't do it or even covid vaccine four years they've been telling us it's safe enough to lift the immunity? Really? You still can't do it? Or even COVID vaccine. Four years they've been telling us it's safe, completely safe. Great. And why don't you put your money where your mouth is and lift the liability? The fact that they will not lift the liability on any of these vaccines belies their claims of safety. Yeah, I'm afraid that is probably so.

There it is. Is that the reference, Aaron? Is this the one? Under 6.1, second paragraph, read the very first sentence. In three clinical studies, 434 doses of the vaccine 5-MCG were administered to 147 healthy infants and children up to 10 years of age who were monitored for five days after each dose. Now, I can assure you the first time I read that, Dr. Drew, I said it couldn't be. It cannot be. That's incredible. How could the FDA do this?

So we FOIA'd the FDA, and we demanded the underlying clinical trials. We got them. And I can assure you, it's five days. And those clinical trials, if you go to ICanDecide.org, that's the nonprofit that funds us to do a lot of this work. We posted all of them there. We've done that for many vaccines. You can read the underlying clinical trial reports. It's five days of safety monitoring after each dose. That's a lot. We even sued the FDA and said, come on, there's got to be more than this.

You know, give it to us. And they've never given us anything. We've We even sued the FDA and said, come on, there's got to be more than this, you know, give it to us. And they've never given us anything. We've also petitioned the FDA in the same formal petitioning docket that, let's say, Pfizer and Moderna uses to license. We've petitioned them to either withdraw this product or require a proper clinical trial. They're supposed to respond in six months. It's been three and a half years. And they keep delaying us and not responding because they don't have anything. That's the concern, Dr. True. The way you fix this is, one, restore market forces to these products so they're treated like any other. And two, you've got to un-conflict the regulators by separating the promotion function with regards to vaccines and the safety function with regards to vaccines.

Yes, I completely agree with you on that. And I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I hope they would have some sort of exception in a dire emergency where they could move things to market quickly, but not mandate them. You know what I mean? The mandating is where they got into trouble with me. But I thought that what they brought to market in the middle of a crisis was okay, good, good, good, good. But then the mandates, and then it wasn't clear what we were doing.

That's what they just jumped off the rail completely. All right. Well, listen, Aaron, I'm going to bring Bree back. But I thank you for being here and thank you for the work. And I hope you'll update us sometime in the near future. Happy to. You got it. And, Brianne, I want you to close us out on this topic with where you're going, what you're doing with other vaccine injured individuals.

What do you want people to know about your project? Well, you know, through fighting with the NIH, fighting with the FDA, fighting with all of the drug companies, we learned really quickly that they were not going to help us. So we started our own registered 501c3 nonprofit, react19.org. We currently represent 36,000 COVID vaccine injured Americans. We have a partnership with over 20 other COVID vaccine injury organizations globally. The purpose of this organization is to provide financial physical and emotional support for people that are suffering these severe adverse events because just like you know they're not getting adequate medical care they're getting no compensation from the government and they also are completely left abandoned and, it's been a really big struggle for a lot of our

members. Our partner organization did a survey. I've seen it. I've seen it. They all were marginalized, led to feel guilty for being sick, essentially. It's so wild. Keep going. Finish up here. Yeah. Well, and this is something that you understand better than most is that kind of psychological attack on people that are suffering, that are really just trying to hang on to the day-to-day is a very dangerous situation. So our partner organization did a survey and asked their injured membership, how many of you have considered suicide during the duration of your illness? The answer came back with, yeah, it came back with over 70%. So this, as far as we're concerned, 70% of people who self-report that they're having severe COVID vaccine injuries are coming, are having a life or death decision in, you know, because of the severe circumstances they land. So this is why we do feel that this is a crisis and it's something that the government does need to address. And we are expecting the Trump

administration to really dig into this, to address these issues, long COVID issues, chronic fatigue syndrome issues. These are the patients that just continue to be abandoned. But in the meantime, it's independent organizations, people like yourself that are really propelling this conversation to be something that is not political, but making this a human issue, right? And so that's why- So weird. Yeah. So throughout our organization, we have provided medical grants for over $890,000 to date to people that are suffering severe adverse events. We're a volunteer organization. We do this because we understand the substantial needs of this

population so if there's anyone out there that feels you know inspired to jump in with this grassroots activation you know and really help their fellow man we're a good place to start last question is just sort of wrap this up. Is it not odd that this has become your life? And I'm wondering what you were doing before. This was not on my bingo card. Let's just say that. Yeah, I was just an everyday preschool teacher, retired project manager, just living my life, being a good citizen, teaching my kids how to take care of others around them. And now this has turned into this crazy firestorm that I never would have expected. But at the end of the day, I really appreciate the fact that I see things crystal clear now. I see what the media does. I see what the corporations do. I see what the

government does. Isn't it crazy? Is it not crazy? COVID did us this favor of laying bare things that we didn't know, but in a way we've just been swimming it at like a fish swim in water and we found out what the water was and here it is and it was it was weirdly laid bare i i'm i'm still amazed at what i've learned but um okay give us the website one more time and then i'm gonna let you go and get dr naz here to give us an update. Great. So react19.org, and you can hop on Amazon and buy this book if you would like. 100% of the proceeds go to the nonprofit. We're not pocketing any of the money. This is a non-confrontational narrative that you actually can give to your family members if you would like them to just start considering

what could really have been going on during the COVID pandemic. It really is bringing out the human aspect of this side because we've all just been hammered with the political narrative. And now it's time for us to take a step back, you know, have a disarming conversation and really start looking at this logically. So yeah, so yeah, you can pick that up on Amazon if you want. Fair enough. Thank you so much, Brie.

And good luck with everything. And hopefully we'll talk to you soon. Great. Thank you. You got it. Now we're gonna bring our friend, Dr. Meryl Nass back in here. She's the founder of doortofreedom. Great. Thank you. You got it. Now we're gonna bring our friend, Dr. Meryl Nass back in here. She's the founder of door to freedom.org. Uh, she has been writing on Substack. Uh, oh gosh. Uh, it's Meryl Nass.substack.com. And, uh, again, she's been a, one of our favorite guests and she has some interesting, uh, updates for us. Meryl, welcome back to the program.

I think you might be muted on your end. Try it again. There we go. We got you back. You're good. Okay. Yes. Very glad to be here again. So I guess that must have been interesting

for you to sit and listen to some of that story. It's, again, I'm sure also not new information or shocking to you. What do you got for us today? Well, you know, I know Bree. Bree has done something that no one else has done in the chronic fatigue community or vaccine injury community, which is that basically she's gone everywhere. She's done everything and she's created an organization for people and is actually finding ways to help them and to keep them connected with each other, which is crucially important. All of the symptoms, this is going to be strange for people to hear, but all the symptoms relisted that she was experiencing were symptoms or syndromes that people who got anthrax vaccine and got sick had. So POTS, chronic fatigue syndrome, hair loss, small fiber neuropathy, everything else she said.

And it's very interesting. I mean, that should be studied. Of course, nobody studied it for anthrax vaccine. And if it wasn't for people like Brie, nobody would be studying it now. And in fact, the NIH had a billion dollars to spend studying long COVID and they blew a billion dollars and they got zilch. Wow. They spend it on. I don't know.

Do you have a theory? I guess it's almost impossible to theorize about this, but I wonder if you do have a theory about what has been activated in the immune system that causes this attack. I had thought that this was something about the spike protein because in my experience, it's the people that produce a lot of spike and a lot of spike antibody. Those are the ones that tend to get these adverse reactions. This whole story with a breeze does not really suggest that. Do you have a theory what physiologically is going on here?

So, no, I don't have an overarching theory, but because people became sensitive, many people, and not only anthrax vaccine injured, but people with Gulf War syndrome, it's been reported in a bunch of papers, developed food sensitivity, chemical odor sensitivity, and sometimes sensitivity to molds or even electromagnetic fields. So I would say that that could probably only happen if some factor in our bodies that's modulating our experience and deciding what we should react to and what we shouldn't react to has gone awry. Yes, it's a dysregulation. Yes, whether that applies to the other symptoms you know i can't

say yeah it's i i would hope that with you know when you have explicit pathology like uh you know immune attack on a medium-sized nerve or a small nerve fiber you can look at what cells are there you can do the staining. Maybe you could even figure out what they're binding to, what they're attacking. But as you said, they had a billion dollars to study that and didn't. And it's terrible. What a missed opportunity.

They had Marie in cases like hers in their midst and were following them appropriately and doing what I would call good care and just jump ship all of a sudden in the middle, which is nothing short of reprehensible. Uh-oh, we lost your sound again. Hang on a second, Meryl. There we are. You're back.

Go ahead. Okay. One thing that doesn't fit with the internal medicine model is a concept that a lot of alternative doctors use, which is simply overload. And I think that may be a reasonable hypothesis. So if you're producing a lot of spike protein, right, you may be overloading that way. With anthrax vaccine, it was a very dirty vaccine, had loads of different antigenic bits in it because it wasn't cleaned up. So there was protein, DNA, RNA, you know, everything you can, carbohydrates, you know. I get what you're saying, but I'm going to avoid, because it's really the same thing as, let me just, before I say what I'm going to say, say I've got plastic surgeon friends who always say say we can only do so much surgery because if we do more the patients just die there's an overload

they just die we don't know why die they just die and uh this you're sort of saying the same thing in this case too not with death being necessarily the outcome but it is it is I am laughing because we can't unfortunately we can't we can't stop this. What we're saying here is they're blowing a fuse. The fuse gets blown. Systems overload, they blow a fuse. But we need more. We need more than that. We can't just say that.

Well, people with chemical exposure. So people who worked in the EPA building that was a sick building in Washington. It was a very tight building. A lot of people became chemically sensitive and developed various syndromes. This is over 20 years ago because they were breathing in or exposed to too much junk. There's so much stuff that comes off the polyurethane, off gases from the paint, off gases from so many potential building materials. So, and then there's people who live in homes that have a lot of mold exposure and certain molds will do it to them. So it fits with an overload hypothesis, whatever that turns out to be,

because we don't know what regulates. We don't know which cells, but we could find out. We could probably use animal models. We could, of course. And I would argue that I thought we were going to get added a little bit during COVID with the cytokine activation thing.

That CCR5 system, to me, seemed like the zone where things were going off the rail. And it might be the same zone that's on a lower level activation is going off the rail with a fuse blowing of too much spike protein or something. I don't know. Because CCR5 is spike protein or something. I don't know. Because the CCR5 is an amplifier system. And I don't know. It just makes sense that there might be something going on there. And there were some meds in the midst of COVID, people have already forgotten about these days,

that were sort of directed at that system. And we're having some effect. Yeah. And it may be because we're using up too much of certain substances more than we can make deal with it right or we're using up you know vitamins as cofactors because some people you know the rant system with coq10 or b12 or whatever. Interesting. So as you look at things now, and with RFK Jr. coming in

and this sort of new, sort of a kind of a new world order, I guess, what do you imagine is going to happen as we proceed? Well, I think what we saw with these six missiles launched from Ukraine that required U.S. targeting right into a depot of a weapons depot in Russia. is the deep state is doing everything possible to create as much chaos to either leave trump the trump administration with as many problems as possible or perhaps to even get into a war that would stop the administration from changing um you know we're in a very dangerous period now until January 20th. And without sort of leaning into that dire sort of phenomenology that's underway,

let's say that settles down. Any predictions on RFK Jr. and his action? He said he's going to take a RICO look at major journals, at medical societies, which was new for me to hear him talking about medical societies and the pharma companies. What do you expect him to do? Or do you have any idea?

Well, RFK was looking into a RICO case once before, that three years ago that I was involved with. So a RICO case is a very special case because you get triple damages. So lawyers can afford to invest in it. And it's something that attorney generals can take on so that they can sue because they were required to pay the Medicaid, some of the Medicaid costs of people who were injured by, you know, bad vaccines or bad drugs like remdesivir. You know, what happened during COVID was, in my own experience, unique, had never happened before, which is the medical journals linked arms and wouldn't publish articles that were critical of, say, the vaccine, and published articles that were obviously fraudulent. And of course, I'm talking about the May 22nd, 2020 article in The Lancet,

which claimed that it had data on 90,000 people from six continents, six continents in real time. And just think about that. That we're all hospitalized and about 15 or 20,000 were given chloroquine drugs, hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine. And it claimed that the death rate was higher in those who had received a chloroquine drug compared to everybody else. So that was the study. It got worldwide attention. I was driving home and i heard it on the radio um so everybody was talking about it it turned out that it was all fabricated but of course it was fabricated i knew the minute i i read it which was that evening um because you

can't there are no databases that have all those hospitals' data in many languages in real time. Nobody has access. And if you did have access, it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. So it was clearly fraudulent. Now, if I could figure that out in five minutes, why couldn't the Lancet editors, why couldn't the peer reviewers? No one had ever heard of such a database before. And it turned out it was a company with five employees. So, you know, it was ridiculous. That was essentially a porn company or something, right? It wasn't even a data company or it was a porn company that used data. Yeah. But this is the point is that this was the hysteria that was going on. And part of that hysteria was the unwillingness to be objective and to do science completely.

Just shut down. Right. And The Lancet has had a series of articles that are questionable. They eventually did admit that this one was fabricated. The editor-in-chief, Richard Horton, admitted that. But the journals have refused to publish other good papers or retracted papers that got published when they were politically incorrect. And the specialty boards, as you know, went after and took away the board certification of dr merrick and dr cory and when i looked up the board i looked myself up when that happened to them and found that mine had been removed i no longer had a and they hadn't even contacted me so um who knows how many other people

now i gotta say i i was on the american College of Physicians website checking to see if I'd paid my bill, which is largely what you do for these societies. And I noticed I was back to member. I'd been a fellow for a decade and a half. And I'm wondering if that's a real thing or not. I didn't want to ask because they didn't notify me. So I'm going to still say I'm a fellow until they notify me otherwise.

Just interesting, right? It is interesting. Well, when you look into the board, you see the fellow who was the head has just recently retired a few months ago. What was his name? Richard Barron. And he was also the head of the foundation

for the American Board of Internal Medicine. And he was earning over a million dollars a year with that gig. And he had published a paper and talked on a New England Journal podcast about how difficult, you know, they asked him, well, how do you figure out what's misinformation and what isn't misinformation? And he dodged he said well if a doctor tells somebody to go get treated with magnets for cancer well that's misinformation but he wouldn't draw a line or give a definition um which is what every in my case when i took you know when i went before the medical board in Maine, they would not say what I had either, what specific thing I said that was misinformation, nor would they define what

misinformation was. So, so the board, the board of internal medicine knew they were skating on thin ice, but decided to, you know, cross a line and take away people's board certifications on the basis of this misinformation thing, which they didn't define. And I would say that they were, just like the case of Breanne, they breached a contract. We had an implied contract with them, right? We did our residency. We took our test. We paid our dues. And that was the deal. They give us the board certification when we've gone through those hoops. And just to take it away like that, it's not written down anywhere how they can do that.

I mean, they're allowed to do it if you've done something terrible. But if they don't even specify what it is you've done, they can't do it, but they did it anyway. So we've, you know, anyway, so there's a lot of illegal things that have gone on. And it seems that there was some kind of collusion, because several boards were doing the same thing, the pediatrics board and the OBGYN board was doing the same thing. And many of the journals were doing the same thing. And somebody must have told them to do it. And presumably money changed hands. Something changed hands.

So I think a RICO case is very reasonable. And it's a way to get to the bottom of what exactly happened. I just remember the one article that Dr. Menakee, the Danish physician, the article about the vaccine lots having many more side effects or 90% of the side effects. It was such a great little study. She couldn't get it published for two years. To me, that's the smoking gun.

There's a few things that have happened during this thing that were just poster child events. What they did to you, the Board of Internal Medicine did to you, what they did to Jay Bhattacharya and some of the devastating takedown, what they did to her and her article in terms of not publishing it.

These were sentinel events that tell you how off the rail we were. Dr. Nass, is there anything else? Go ahead. Dr. Nass, a job in the government. Oh, I, well, I was going to say, yeah, well, we'll see how that goes. I mean, I hope she turns up somewhere, but you're going to have to get Dr. Oz's participation in what you were looking for in terms of the Medicaid expenses for the vaccines and whatnot.

But I'll go with you to talk to him if you want to. I'd be happy to talk to that man. So I appreciate you being here as always. Is there anything else before I wrap things up? I was going to answer a question you had posed earlier, which is that the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccines were both using the adenovirus as a vector. Were both double-stranded DNA, but they were made by two different companies. But they were almost identical, right? I had a terrible reaction to the J&J. Moderna versus Pfizer.

Now, most of the doses for both of them, so AstraZeneca was never given an EUA or a license in the United States. That's right. The company that used to make, and still does, make anthrax vaccine, a very crooked company, had contracts to make AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. And they mixed them up, they contaminated their ingredients, and they had to throw away the ingredients for about 400 million doses of those vaccines. and they no longer were given you know the contract was taken away so they

couldn't make them anymore but there was only a relatively small number of the j and j that were used in the united states and it's interesting and i had that reaction that was so dreaded i was the only male i'm aware of that had it um like low level ttp there's my eye my raccoon eye that i woke up with the day after the vaccine which is the which is the presenting manifestation of a transverse sinus thrombosis which evidently i was forming uh and thankfully i had no neurological symptoms and it went away but who knows maybe i still have a clot up there i mean who knows you know what i mean uh i felt fine i continue to feel fine yes, that was good times.

And when I took that vaccine, before I had COVID. Before anyone had announced that cavernous sinus thrombosis was a side effect? The TTP, there had been three cases of TTP at that. It was thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura at that point. And then after I had this, or around the same time I had this, it was all in women. I looked in the mirror and I thought, oh my God, I'm the only man

that's going to have had this reaction. But they were starting to talk about the transverse sinus thrombosis as a complication of the TTP. Like a few days before, I took the vaccine. I had a, within instantly, I had a chill through my whole body.

And it was so odd i thought to myself how am i having i feel like this is i'm reacting every inch of my system is react just weird uh and then i got sick um morning did you have that so there we are tingling did you have that tingling feeling that brianne was describing like the electrical shock? No, I didn't. No, I didn't. It was this a very odd chill. It's not the kind of chill you get from a fever or something. It was just an odd, it felt like something was coursing through my body, but I did not get neuropathic symptoms at all. It just was this weird systemic reaction. And I just sat there thinking, how did it get, is it actually distributing

throughout the body that quick it's just not possible what's going on here anyway so um vaccinators were instructed not to withdraw the syringe to you know to see whether they were in a blood vessel or not i i know i thought about that too but they but they put it in a they put in the right spot. I don't really have veins in that part of my shoulder. It couldn't have been that. Well, who knows?

But you're right. They didn't draw back. Or maybe she did. She might have actually drawn back. She might have. I think she did, actually, now that I think about it. So there was no blood return

or anything in the vaccine administrator. But in any event, you know, and then I guess I'd had COVID, if I remember. That was after COVID, Susan, because we were going to go travel. Yeah, I didn't feel I needed it. I didn't feel I needed it. Go to New York and have dinner outside.

Right, exactly. And I was like, screw this. I don't want two shots. I'll just take the one and boom. But in any event, and it's funny, we had, oh shoot, there it's funny, we had, oh shoot, there's a University of San Francisco,

Gandhi, Monica Gandhi, is that her name? Yes. Had her on like during, like a week later and I'm Monica, I'm like, should I take an aspirin?

Should I not take an aspirin? Because there was also people getting bleeding because of the consumptive coagulopathy. So I was like, she was like, oh, don't take an aspirin? Because there was also people getting bleeding because of the consumptive coagulopathy. She was like, oh, don't take the aspirin. Because I seemed to have resolved at that point. Say that again? Collective coagulopathy. Never mind.

Which is this? That word, whatever it was you used. The transverse sinus thrombosis? No, the collective coagulopathy. Thrombotic? Oh, the consumptive coagulopathy. It was a consumptive. TTP is a consumptive coagulopathy.

Those fancy words for Meryl and I. All right. Well, listen, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. Next year in Washington or whatever, next month maybe. Who knows how long it'll be. But I do think you're going to need Dr. Oz's attention for some of this stuff. And, of course, RFK Jr. So there may be some pilgrimages.

And if I can be of any use, please do let me know. We want to just get things straight. We want to make America healthier. That's it. Make things better. I think you have to be in the military, though, to be the Surgeon General. No, no, I do not want to be the Surgeon General. No, Merrill. Oh, well, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I know. I want to be in the military, though, to be the Surgeon General. No, no, I do not want to be the Surgeon General. No, Merrill. Oh, well, we'll see.

We'll see what happens. Yeah, I know. I feel like she does. Like, ah, what are you wishing on us? Okay. Dr. Nass, thank you so much. Follow her on X, Nass Merrill, M-E-R-Y-L. Thank you so much for being here again, as always.

Hey, thank you. Bye-bye now. God bless. Thank you. Bye-bye now. God bless. Thank you. All righty. So let's get the upcoming guest list up on the board here. We got a lot of stuff coming.

And of course, as you see, these guests are always exceptional and great and wonderful source of information. And just, we try to expand our understanding of this thing.

Allie Beth Stuckey and Morgan Griffith. I don't remember what the story is, but I remember reading about it and being impressed. Claire Craig coming in with Jessica Rose. That's going to be an interesting one-two punch. Susan, I was calling out on the 21st as well.

Andrew Gruhl and Wilkinson, very interesting combo. That's on Thursday, by the way. Anybody who wants to watch my show on Thursday. And Kelly Victory coming in with Ed Dowd on December 4th. She's filling in for me then. I can look up those guests, Allie Bethstein. I was reading her stuff today. Look at that list.

I know, it's amazing. Hold on, let me see. I just sneak my plug in there. Yes, good. Do you have a guest coming for that? Yes, we do. And I'm going to say it really fast, but I don't want the psychic to know it's-

Oh, don't do it then. Just as somebody that we both know, we both like. It's a celebrity and she's, it's going to be a good one. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a really good one. She wrote a book, Alice, is her name Allie? Hold on. Gosh.

Okay, I'm going to screw this up so but it's the book is called You're Not Enough and That's Okay somebody yelled Dr. Drew got Scott Atlas on the show yeah we had Scott Atlas

we talked to Scott Atlas yeah and he was great is he coming up again I would happily talk to him again he's been going wild on X he's been really wow

really talking Jessica Rose. I think this will be a story of more of a... We have a lot of good people on this show. Yes, wonderful guests. And I trust Emily Barsh explicitly. Emily's kicking butt. Because the stuff that she recommends are remarkable.

She's our content creator. Yes, responsible for the guests we get here and expanding our horizons through talking to people. And she's great at herding cats when they want to cancel at the last minute so uh we will be in here tomorrow at three o'clock and that is ali beth stuckey uh really quickly here's a fox news report on her well i don't know what it is didn't come up okay thank you so much all for being here and uh we thank you to our guests today. We appreciate their participation. Hopefully we'll see them again soon.

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