Ask Dr. Drew - Bully Hunter: How Real Life “Hacker” James McGibney Unmasks Online Predators on Revenge Forums, Discord & Social Media w/ Gabe Eltaeb – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 534

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Dr. James McGibney is a cyberbully’s worst fear. The cybersecurity investigator famously worked with Charlotte Laws to take down revenge porn king Hunter Moore. Now he’s back with a new show that tracks down – and unmasks – more of the Internet’s worst predators. As a professional online investigator – many call him a “white hat hacker” – McGibney uses unique methods to expose predators and help their victims get justice. Alongside his virtual vigilante team, McGibney works to make the Internet safer by confronting abusers who hide in the shadows. A&E’s “Bully Hunter” airs Sept 23 at 10pm ET/PT. Dr. James McGibney is the founder of Bullyville and star of A&E’s Bully Hunter. He is a Marine Corps veteran and cybersecurity expert who earned his doctorate in Learning Technology from Pepperdine. Through Bullyville, he shut down the three largest revenge p**nography websites, including the infamous IsAnyoneUp featured in the hit Netflix series The Most Hated Man On The Internet. Find out when to watch the show at https://aetv.com/shows/bully-hunter and follow James at https://x.com/RealBullyVille⠀Gabe Eltaeb is a comic book artist and writer who left DC Comics in protest over changes to Superman. He has worked on Batman, Green Lantern, and Star Wars. Eltaeb now focuses on independent projects like Big Man Comics, blending patriotism and faith into his work. Learn more at https://bigmancomics.com and follow him at https://x.com/bigmancomics 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Most Hated Man on the Internet. You can watch his show at, hmm, jeez, aetv.com forward slash shows, forward slash billy dash hunter and we've got Gabe L. Taiib, I got that right, L. Taib, comic book artist who was a D.C. comic writer who took a protest over some of the changes that was becoming woke on so many of the comics

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because I think at the time, our producers were very interested in setting up cheaters. That's right. And that's where we started Cheaterville, where if someone was cheating on you, you could post them on Cheaterville, you could post what happened. And I used to say, Cheaterville proved that women were smarter than men, because when a guy would post a woman cheater, he'd be like, she cheated, I hate her, blah, blah, blah. When a woman would post a cheater, it was like a CSI crime scene investigation, emails, text messages. By the time you were done, you're like, yeah, that did cheated 100%. And that was actually the first TV deal I had was with Warner Brothers for Cheaterville. And it was actually, you know, it springboarded

from your show. It was because of you that I actually got that contract with Warner Brothers. So I know I've thanked you before, but 12 years later, I want to thank you again. Here we are, and the landscape of television is completely different. Never could have imagined this is where it would be. And we have, you know, cancellations of late night because essentially because the business model just doesn't, you know, if they were making $100 million a year, I promise he would not have been canceled. Neither Colbert nor Kimmel, but they're losing money, so they look for excuses to do it. It seems to me, humbly.

But talk to us about the new project. Yeah, so it's called Bulley Hunter. And what's really interesting about this first episode, you will be able to, I'll take you down, trip down, memory lane. You remember is anyone up.com with Hunter Moore. He had the largest revenge-borne website in existence. It was covered on Netflix,

the most hated man on the internet. It was Charlotte Laws, her daughter, dealt with her images that got put on his website. And, you know, she's fantastic. I know you know her. She's absolutely brilliant. She was the one who was responsible for having him thrown in jail. So she deserved that documentary.

But because of that documentary and the little... I think we actually, Caleb, correct me if I remember, but I think we interviewed her, didn't we? Oh, yeah. She was on here. She speaks very highly a jail. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's a doctor.

Yeah, she's brilliant. So after that aired, I'm going to assume someone. at A&E watched it and they realized that, you know, this could be an absolute smash hit for a series. So this very first episode, what's crazy about this, we basically identified the original OG of Revenge Porn. So everyone thinks it's Hunter Moore and that's where Revenge Porn started. And what was fascinating about this case is that I identified someone who was doing this back in 2005 on completely different websites. And this is what happened.

He would have an ad out there that he was looking for models. And he was paying $60 an hour. So these 18 to 20 year old girls were responding. And when they would show up on location, they would find out that he wanted them to undress. But he wanted to do it in public places. He wanted to do it on the Mulholland Bridge during rush hour, have a woman get naked on the bridge. And he'd take pictures there. in front of a department store, in front of a school playground,

very crazy fetish type stuff. And this is what this first episode is about, because unfortunately, he didn't use his real name, so no one could identify him. And what this guy was doing was instead of just keeping it for his personal portfolio and for the victim's portfolio, that's where he promised that that's all they would go to, he put him on all these different websites.

And one website in particular with their real name, and it destroyed these women's lives. So this was back in 2005. How crazy is that? Yeah. What does the average person need to know about, you know, how you look at the landscape of cyberbullying? Because it has become, the way I asked,

I'm asking the question that way, because if I opened up my ex-feed right now, I would be getting just bullied to death all over the place. In fact, I just retweeted someone who accused me of running for Senate against someone who just had a brain injury. And I said, I don't, I think that was Oz. That was not me. But the point is, the bullying is so ubiquitous right now. Where do we draw the lines?

How do, when do people need your help? How do we understand what the world is like right now? Yeah. And, you know, you back in the day said something that has always stuck with these. said addiction is not a curable condition. And that is what it seems like social media and bullying has become. People are addicted to it. And especially if they're doing it behind a sock account where it's not their real identity and they know that they can get away with a lot. I really primarily focused though on sextortion and revenge porn, image-based sexual abuse.

So sexortion, I'm sure you probably know this is not this that, Dr. Drew, but suicide rate is the highest right now between 14 and 16 year old boys who are getting extorted online. So they'll get catfish by someone thinking it's a female from another school and they'll exchange photos. And then you find out it's not a girl from another school. It's a guy who's 40 years old from another country who's now trying to extort you. And it gets pretty crazy. I was just working on a case where not only were they trying to extort the kid and the family, this guy created a website in the kid's name. Let's just say johnsmith.john.com. That's not the real name. But and put naked images of that child on that site with a counter.

It said, you have 48 hours to pay $5,000 or here's where this photo is going. And they had the list of all of the parents' email addresses for everyone they worked with at their company. Brutal, brutal stuff. So that's been my wheelhouse. And then obviously image-based sexual abuse because, you know, at this one case, you know, the A&E show, it's Tuesday, 9 o'clock Central. you have to watch it because imagine that this happens to you as a female when you're 18 years old. This guy takes these photos, puts them everywhere with a real name, refuses to take them down.

And then she says, all right, I've got to move on with my life. She becomes a school teacher in California. She gets her teacher credential. She gets her college degree. She gets married. She has a child. She has completely moved on and has been removed from this for almost two decades. she gets an email in 2024 at her school along with the faculty and it has a link and when she

clicked on the link it was all those images from back in 2009 and she had to leave her job because I'm actually surprised that kind of thing doesn't happen more often from people who have left relationships or does it does it happen more than we know it happens all the time I mean I probably have a thousand emails a week of people who are dealing with some kind of level of image-based sexual abuse. It's terrifying. And at least Google has stepped up quite a bit where if there's a form you can fill out online on Google, if you have your image out there and you fill it out and they'll remove it.

The problem with that where people don't realize where that's great that they do that, but those images also live on the dark web. I guarantee you all those images live on the dark web. And as you know, the dark web is completely unregulated. There's no one you can contact to have images taken down. So that's where someone like me comes in because I'm a total nerd who had no friends in high school. And that's what I do. I help these people get their images down.

And how do you even know if that's happening to you? You know what I mean? I would imagine by the time you figure it out, it's already happened. Yeah. I mean, so back to the school teacher, she was saying that the first day of school, the parents are Googling her just to see her credentials and where else she has worked. And the first thing that comes up are all those naked images. And I'm not talking like five or ten. she had over 500 of her images plastered all over the web on at least 20 different sites.

And people can always, and you mentioned the dark one, but people can also take a snapshot of anything, and then that's it. That can go anywhere, right? That's right. And that's why, you know, with the Netflix, the most hated man, that thing keeps going viral every September and October, every single year. It goes back into the top 10 because teachers of like juniors and seniors especially are saying, hey, if your parents get permission, you need to watch this document. series so you know that if you're on Snapchat and you send an image and you think that it's not going to be saved, you're sadly mistaken. And here are the consequences of that. And I think it's honestly scaring this shit out of a lot of kids, which is pretty much what you have to do at this

point to get through to them. They see that image. They see what can happen. It's not you talking to them about it. They see it on the big screen and see the devastating effects that that can have. I feel like we've made progress with adolescents. I really do because some of them were charged with felonies, you know, for trafficking child porn. And if they received one of those pictures, they were trafficking child porn. And if they showed it to their buddies, they're trafficking again in child porn. So it's, I think they got that message. I'm wondering what remedies adults have, though. I mean, you're sort of, it's just you. I got to call James Gibney to go after it. There's no, are there legal remedies? So there are. You can, you know, you can hire

so back to this case with this woman. She hired an attorney to try and get these images taken down. and she spent thousands of dollars and got nowhere with it. You know, a lot of these guys who run these sites, they don't care about any of that. They don't care about cease and desist. That means nothing to them. So, you know, do you remember that story? I think you remember with Hunter Moore when Facebook reached out to him

when he was in his heyday with his anyone up and sent a cease and desist because his followers were finding out where that victim, where her parents worked, her home address, address and they were posting it underneath the photos and millions of people are stalking them simultaneously so they sent a cease and desist

and you know what Hunter's response was he sent a picture of his penis that was his response to meta so that's the type of person that I deal with on a daily basis someone who gives two shits about the law that's a good human being

but I'm guessing that's the person that would engage in that kind of extortion even if it's one-on-one, that's that kind of person, right? Yeah, and I remember you interviewed him. You interviewed him in Charlotte right after everything went down, and you shredded him, but Charlotte absolutely destroyed him, you know, just completely calling out all of his bullshit.

He was trying to warm his way out of it, and that was a fantastic interview. I don't know if you remember it, but between the two of you, two doctors were just... I think, yeah, I didn't know the full... I didn't, I couldn't, you know, until you're, I don't think the documentary was out yet, or I hadn't seen it or something, so I didn't get the full spectrum of what he was up to. But I think we did that on HLN. Is that possible? That's right. I think that's where that was, yeah. That's what, yep.

Yeah, and I remember, the thing that got me was how full of shit he was. That's what, that's what got me sort of going. It's like, wait a minute, come on now. So, but let's, let's, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, dude. Go ahead. Okay.

I want to give. Caleb is very excited about us having you on the program today. And we, and we, this is his world. And we had a very challenging cyber bully situation that led to massive cancellation and all kinds of lovely things. And Caleb, I'll let you ask your questions and set that story up if you want. Yeah, I don't think that it is mathematically possible for me to be a bigger fan of James here. I've been following you for a very long time. I saw you post about this upcoming to you. show like three years ago and then with TV you just think okay maybe they're doing it maybe it's not and then all of a sudden it's going to be on TV so I'm like I'm very excited for it but let me tell you what happened to us so this was right around the earliest times of the COVID pandemic some anonymous person went online created all these brand new anonymous accounts under the name Dr. Droops and they spent the time cutting together dozens of out of context

clips of Drew talking about the pandemic and then spread it around to the media, posted it online, got millions of views with all these out-of-context clips trying to ruin Drew's career and get him canceled. Now, Drew is, of course, you know, I want to add. But I want to add that he, one of the things he assiduously cut out was that the every one of my comments, which were essentially, please calm down, I would say, and I made a habit of it,

that Dr. Fauci be your North Star and just listen to the guys, at the CDC. I've worked with these guys for years. They're very helpful. They'll get us through this. Assuming it's a guy. And that was the thing I got wrong. That's right. That was the one thing I got wrong. And unfortunately that was cut out from all of it because at the time, it made me

look like a reasonable person. Because I was saying that, but they cut all that out, which I'm kind of grateful for now because that's what I got wrong. But anyway, we have the opposite problem nowadays, now that we know. But we could never figure out who this person was. We could never find he just, he had created all new accounts.

we had a couple of tiny little leads but it just turned into this thing getting millions of views and people constantly bring it up and replay it we can't get the I guess we haven't tried to get the accounts taken down so I'm like it's probably somewhat of a free speech even though it's you know copyright infringement

we tried no we tried what do in cases like that because on one hand it's as a public figure I think Drew you just you learn to just let it just brush it away and just okay it's another hater it's another hater but this one's really stuck out because someone put a lot of time and effort

into taking Drew out of context to try to ruin his career. So what sort of stuff could we do for a case like that? So I don't know, 10 years ago, I would probably say, well, we should probably hire an attorney and we can see if we get a takedown request and maybe even go get a restraining order against this person and hopefully try to unmask them because if you get a restraining order,

you can start issuing subpoenas and see what it comes back. I'm thinking of that. Yeah, but I'll save you guys a lot of time and money because what ends up happening with all of that is so the subpoena results come back and you find out this is a pretty good guy he's very technically astute he's using VPN

so the IPs you get back are useless they go nowhere and you just waste a ton of money so what I do is I have methods that I use where I can absolutely unmask someone like that and once you unmask them and you put them in the court of public opinion

so my whole tagline is sometimes you have to be a bully to beat a bully this guy or girl whoever it is is obviously bullying the shit out of you guys. So we have to bully him back. And that's exactly what I do. I would unmask him. I would pull him out of obscurity.

I would put him on blast. And he would take the videos down because he knows that, you know, this is just going to get progressively worse. So just got to be a bigger bully than he is. Yeah. See, that's why I'm glad James is on our side.

I sleep so much better at night knowing that James is out there. I feel like there's like a guardian angel that's like just deflecting all the cyber bullies and all the attackers. There's someone out there shielding us secretly behind the scenes. So I feel so much safer. I have other questions though, Drew. Sure. We still don't know who the guy is. Yeah, we have no

idea. Well, let's let's offline go through it and I'm very positive. I can figure it out. Oh, crazy. That would be a joy. So I... I think I know it is. You know what? We could do an entire episode on it of unmasking him and putting I'm a blast. That could be an entire episode.

We even talked to him. The 80 show? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Oh, we're... Of course. It has to be for 80. Yeah, 100%. I'm in. I worked on it for a month with a PR person who worked for an attorney, and we scoured everything. We did, you know, I paid her money to help me, and we really, we couldn't

figure it out. We couldn't get any help from any of the YouTube or, you know, wherever it was posted. And I don't know. We had some ideas. It was such a crazy time. Anyway, but this will be fun. It's tough. You're a public figure, and that's the problem with being a public figure is people who say whatever they want, and you're pretty limited to what you do. And even if you, when we find out who he is, you know, what's the point of suing him? Because he's probably some broke guy who's living in a basement with his shirt off with Doritos all over his chest on his sixth mountain dew, you know.

I had a fee, it seemed to me. I think it's an attorney. I think it's a physician because he made a disclaimer at the very end. He said, I'm washing my hands of this. The way he spoke, he goes, because I got online, so there are death threats against my kids against everybody because of this guy. And he goes, I'm washing my hands of this whole affair,

you know, as though someone put him up to it or something. I don't know. I forget where that was. So he stopped? So did he stop? Oh, yeah. He stopped, but of course the world didn't stop. They didn't take it down and it kept going.

We should probably take screenshots of it. I'm sure. I have it saved. I have every bit of evidence saved from that happened. And I think it's more, it's less about getting, prosecuting the person than it is. I want to see face to face. I want to see who is this.

Why were they motivated to do this? And they, it's obvious, they had to have known they were clipping things out of context because they found, we didn't have AI clipping software back then. Someone did this manually and found all this stuff. But I actually have a, I have a different question. Hey, if you're out there

Dr. Drup's, don't take it down. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we want to get you on camera. Yeah, we'll give him the opportunity. Come on camera and talk to him and see why he did it. Some of the reasons are pretty crazy. It could be something where Dr. Drew said one thing that pissed him off, and that was all it took.

Jesus. Well, that's why I think I know who it is. Yeah, so I very much enjoyed. I saw a screener episode of episode one, and I really, really enjoyed it. It's actually people need to go watch it. You'll like it. Even if you're not very familiar with computer terms and hacking terms and stuff like that. It's produced in a way that

everybody will get it. You'll really like it. Annie is a great network, by the way. But is it going to go up somewhere else after the network airing? Does it go onto a streaming platform or something? Yes, it does. The very next day, I believe it goes on Hulu, to pay on Hulu and Amazon

and all the other streaming services. Okay, but set your DVR, he gets credit if you record it and watch it, so please do record it and watch it. If you miss it, see it on Hulu. So there we go. So I watched it. I really enjoyed it. And it's not like you leave it on a cliffhanger there.

It's like you actually get to see. I'm not going to spoil it, but you get to see the actual person in episode one. So don't think it's going to be a cliffhanger. This is a full episode, guys. You'll enjoy it. Something that I noticed, though, is that when you caught the guy who came on camera, there was a lot of apologetic words. But the person did not seem at all to be fully grasping the magnitude of destruction that he, he had placed on the lives of these women for so long. So have you noticed any sort of a pattern? I'm sure there's a lot of these people that you talk through through the whole series.

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that violence solves nothing. But you got to keep in mind, this guy had, you know, over a thousand photos of all these victims, especially those three that were on there. And I, he was an asset to me, you know. I was at Quantico, Virginia, in the Marines for a while. And I work with the FBI a lot. And at some point, when you're dealing with people like this, you can't think of them as people.

They are an asset. And as an asset, I need him to help me take these images down because he runs the sites. So I don't, you know, you know. There's two ways you could go about it, trying to get him to, you know, do it the legal route or, you know, the Bulleyville smash and grab route. So I know. You buy his domain. Yeah. I know A&E would prefer I do the first route.

So that's the route I try and say. But have you noticed any patterns with like, so once anyone that wasn't in the episode one, have you noticed patterns amongst the personality types of people that do this type of crime? Like, do they not sure? Are they sociopaths? They, oh, for sure, sociopaths. but it's so much more than that. You can always find out from a psychological profiling perspective, they always, somewhere along the line, a woman broke their heart.

So this guy, I know his backstory, and I know what happened to him, and they take that vengeance and revenge not only out on the person that they were dating, they just go apeshit, as you'll see in episode one and just go after anyone and everyone. He didn't know any of these women, by the way. He had never heard of him. He had never interacted with him, nothing. And he just decided to destroy their lives. And what was really sadistic about it was in the comments of the post, he would say things like, share this far and wide.

I want you to humiliate this woman. I want you to degrade this woman. He used humiliate and degrade probably 40 times within all the posts. So that was one of the ways I was able to identify him. I have a database that I used, you know, nerd shit, where I will study the vernacular of someone's speech. You know, so for example, someone at the end of a sentence has two spaces before they have a period that might sound like, well, what's the, if you find a whole bunch of that and the certain words that they use and Dr. Drew, you know this shit very well. You're a pro at it. So that's basically, and that was the other thing. I had to try and find someone from 2000 that started in 2005. It's not easy to find a digital footprint from someone from decades ago. And the other thing that was tough. The victims all knew one thing.

They knew the first initial to his first name, and that was it. So I had to go from billions of people to, and so I find the one guy. I find the main guy, the photographer. I'm like, I got him. And then out of the blue, there's the second guy. And I'm like, who is this guy? And law enforcement was working on this. They had an open case, but they could not figure out either of this.

They knew there was one person, but they didn't even know there was a second guy. So now I find two guys that are tag team. and they're destroying these women's lives. So what it makes me. Now, we just proposed an episode for you where a male is getting cyber bullied. Is everybody, all the other episodes about women? No, there's another one that we are going through now that is a male. But oh my God, for sure I want this case, 100%.

Because we have a personal relationship, obviously. But, yeah, and I didn't know any of this. So now that I know this, I'm obviously going to go scorched earth. to find out who this person is. So we're going to get it all on film. We're going to bring him out of obscurity. And I can't wait to see your interaction with him once you know who it is. I'm curious to see how you're going to react when you're face-to-face with someone

who's done the stalking and harassment of you. And your kids. Well, he didn't do my kids. He generated stuff towards my kids. It was so, it was so such a crazy time. People forget. That's what I, you know, I was talking to Adam Corolla, this morning. And he was, people were complaining about a lot of stuff. You know, it's happening with

cancellations. And he just goes, where were you during COVID? Where were you? What happened? Why didn't that matter? And this matters. What's, what's going on? And nobody seemed to care about the cancellations during COVID. It was really something. Except I did because I realized that they were canceling good people. That seemed to be part of the plan. And so I started talking to all the people that got canceled. And now one of them is the head of the NIH. One of them is the head of HHS. These were good people with a lot to offer that are and I never imagined the government was involved with it. That's the other part, James, I'd like you to look for. At that period, it's very clear the government got very involved with all of this, particularly as it pertained

to silencing physicians. So I wouldn't be surprised if this was somebody in Washington. It would not surprise me. I don't know that that's the case, but it wouldn't not surprise me at all. Oh, I can't wait. As soon as we're done with this call, I'm starting. I promise you that. All right. Just as a sort of a last sort of conversation, part of our conversation, you are Marine. Tell people about the arc of your life and how you got here. So, you know, it goes back. People always ask, like, why do I do what I do? Because I don't charge anyone to help them. I never have. And it really goes back to my childhood. You know, I was born and raised in the South Bronx in New York and I remember when I was eight years old. I remember my dad

eating the shit out of my mother with a frying pan. I remember at New York City Police Department coming in. I had a fully autistic brother and from that moment on, I never saw my mother, my father, or my brother ever again to this day. And then I got sent it to foster homes in New York City in the early 80s, which was atrocious. And I had sent it to foster homes in New York City in the early 80s, which was atrocious. And I had some really awful experiences where, you know, I would see an eight-year-old girl being, you know, sexually assaulted by one, the foster dad and the foster mom. And, you know, one incident, just awful stuff. You know, you could find it online. There's a lot of horrible stuff that happened to me, too. But I really do feel like that is where that seed was sown,

where, you know, I knew one day I was going to help other people. And when I saw, you know, Hunter Moore site, you know, when I first went to Zanewanup.com, you know, I've never said I have PTSD from anything that happened in my past. I actually have never even seen a psychiatrist or anyone. I feel like I've done a good job, you know, compartmentalizing it. But when I saw Hunter's site, one of the very first images I saw, I thought it was this girl that was sexually assaulted who had grown up like her face that everything was, I thought it was her. And it freaked me out. But then I was like, you know what, I'm going to completely destroy this guy's life. How can I destroy this guy's life, you know, to where he never does this someone again. And that's

kind of where it started. Wow. Well, it's, thank God you're using it for good because it doesn't always go that way, you know, and I just hats off to you for, you've been of service in the military for the cyber world now. And it's, it's, I personally am very grateful because we have to, you have to get control of this thing that we all use and all rely on and sort of become dependent on and there are so many pernicious problematic

I don't have enough vocabulary to sort of, you know what I'm talking about there's just bad things happening and they're all the time and we have to and you know I don't know about you but I'm a free speech absolutist so I don't want the government really doing it

but we got to figure out a way to corral this thing you know and as you said even just having your movie for high junior high school age kids there's something that's doing it that's the kind of creative solutions we have to come up with and then we have to make people pay who uh make it a toxic environment yeah can you imagine being a kid in today's environment growing up and just that you know the the pressures of high school and we're such a digital society uh when i grew up i didn't have a phone and i would ride my bike from nine in the morning until i came home at dinner after dark you know

it was a completely different world uh than it is today it's Huff being a kid. That's for damn sure. I'm watching a lot of enthusiasm for you on the restream here. So thank you for that. Let me look. Oh, they're also mentioning somebody else we interviewed here. I forget her name now. The woman that's going after Porn Hub or all the hubs.

She too has grave. Have you worked with her? No. The woman that is, oh, my goodness. We got to put the two of you together. Do you remember who that was the name, Caleb? I'm looking it up. I can't forget.

She has a name. to pronounce, but she is single-handedly, uh, taken down hundreds of thousands of hours of material that was put on these hub sites that was not consented to. It wasn't explicitly consented to somebody just, they had ways of just being able to put shit up. And she, she is single-handedly gotten rid of a lot of that. So, um, somehow, that's awesome. Oh, Layla Micklewaite. Layla Micklewaite. Yeah, Layla McElwight. That is her. I have, okay, I have heard that game. I will. Yeah, that's awesome. You know, and once you give a woman her power back, look out, right?

So, you know, I can't wait to hear her backstory to see what happened and how she got involved in it because I'm sure there's a really good reason why she did. And I wish there was more people like her. I don't know her, but I'm looking forward to meeting her. Super, super bright person and just very, you know, as a friend of mine said to me, he was a Jewish gentleman. He goes, what's the difference? a Jewish grandmother and a pit bull. He goes, the pit bull eventually let's go.

And Layla is one of those people. That's awesome. It wasn't her first name pronounced a little differently? It's like Lila or something. It's pronounced a little differently that looks. I thought it was Lela. I thought so. It's Laila spelled like Lela.

I'm curious, James, if you're staying on top of the NVEs, the nihilistic, violent extremist groups. What is this? I don't want to see their names, but. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. So I get approached a lot. I'm going to tell you guys a quick story. There was, I'm going to preface all this.

I am not into politics. I don't think I am smart enough to have intellectual conversations about either side because they just don't know enough. And it seems like such a time suck. And I'd rather help kids and women and stuff like that online than deal of politics. Having said that, there was an argument that was going on online between a woman who was a Republican and a woman who was a Democrat, and it started to get pretty heated. And then this is factual information.

I'm not taking sides and was telling you that factual story. The woman who is a Democrat went on the dark web. She paid $5,000 for a professional stalker, which is a real thing. You can go get one at any time on the dark web and paid five grand. And let me tell you, she got her money's worth because within 24 hours, the other person, email was hacked. Her husband's email was hacked. The school got hit with a bomb threat. She was swatted. Her entire life was over. And that was the only time I ever got involved in anything political trying to help that out because, you know, you call a bomb threat to a school

and I'm absolutely going to get involved. But it's such a toxic environment. So I'm going to avoid your question because I think you know my answer. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's, yeah, we're not I'm not I don't allow people to say the names of the groups here because I just don't want them coming after I know the groups we're aware yeah yeah and I just stay very clear of all of that because it's I don't want to say it's a waste of time but you know other people go after it and God bless them for what they're doing but I would rather use my time to helping women and kids right and what I've noticed a lot of the and Dr. Drew right the people in these groups also tend to be kids themselves so that's why it's extra complex it is because it's kids causing suffering and other kids. Yeah. They should be, they always, there always were consequences

for actions at every age. I mean, there's got to be consequences. We can't live in a zero gravity environment that fosters sociopathy and problematic behaviors. Susan is bringing out all the droop stuff I see here and sending it to Caleb. Maybe you can forward all this stuff that she's texting us to. Oh, I will.

to Jay. He will. And Susan, do you want to read your, or make public your comment here about the commenters? I mean, the guy came on and said, oh, he apologized and blah, blah, blah. But the responses on X were mostly left on the left, obviously. Before we really knew how. Adularized this country was. Yeah. But it was just terrible.

I mean, I had to bat trolls like every day. I didn't even want Drew to see half of them because it was just, you're a quack, you're a charlatan, you're this, you're that. We lost, you know, a ton of followers. But it was just like, wow, you know, it's how people just turn on you and they just have to tell you what they think of you, you know, how you're a horrible person and, you know, it was scary. And I honestly lost sleep for about a month

trying to find this guy and he it's still up there i mean it what's amazing as it's still up there and it's we weren't allowed to say the word ivermectin on youtube without getting a strike but this guy could keep his video up for the last six years so i i just don't understand maybe we can sue uh youtube let's work on that james whatever now we're on the revenge shades right because we're going to find out who this is and you know revenge is never pretty but when it's done intelligently, meticulously, and psychotically, ah, I want revenge. I don't. I don't want revenge.

Susan, we've waited cautiously. It is best served cold. I just want justice. I want to know who it is. Because I was like, is it an inside job? Was it somebody we know? I worry this, the government. And if that's the case, I want to blow that all over the place because that is disgusting.

I don't know. We had kind of a little riff with a group right before that. And then that just stopped. It ended, and I was like, well, where are those guys? Why aren't they still coming at us? And I almost feel like they realize that they might have gone over the line. We've gone too far with this. I'm not going to say, thank you.

I'm not going to can't. But listen, James, it is a pleasure and a privilege. Is there a place you want people to go if they need help or is that overwhelming? Or how do you want people to approach this? Yeah, there's two main places. So bullyville.com is definitely the main spot. But even on Instagram, Instagram, just look up Believille. They handle B-U-L-L-L-Y, V-I-L-E, it's, and then people can DM me.

And I will tell you that anything that involves kids, especially sex-stortion, jumps to the very top of the list because, you know, I don't want a child to, you know, unalive themselves because of what's happening. Good. Well done, James. All right, my friend. We'll talk again soon, no doubt. You'll see where you are by the end of the day. Yes. You have our man or gal, who knows.

All right. All right. All right. Thank you. We're going to shift gears and we're going to talk about some of the excesses in Hollywood television with Gabe L. Taib. He's a friend of Tyroses and they're actually working on a cartoon together. It's very interesting.

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So my next guest is Gabe L. Taib. He is a comic book artist. He left DC comics in protest, particularly over the changes in Superman, and he's got an interesting story. A lot to talk about. Gabe, welcome. Hello, how you doing? It's a real pleasure to be here.

I've been a fan since I'm 47 since I was about 18 years old. I started listening to Loveline. I do have a confession. I am Dr. Droops. It's me. Oh, well, that makes it pretty easy. Let's go on the A&E show with, with James

just talking out. Kidding, kidding, kidding. But thank you for having me. It's thrilling to be here. 18-year-old me would be over the moon. And so I don't forget. Talk about the project you have with Tyrus. Oh, okay.

So, yeah, I left DC Comics. I was an artist there for years. And I do my own graphic novels now that are more family-friendly. You know what I mean? We don't have the gore and the sex and the cussing. And they're more uplifting. More in the style of the 80s action movies

like Lethal Weapon and Indiana Jones, all that. And I have the unstoppable Tyrus. with Fox News Superstar Tyrus, who you were visiting with last night. And I also have done Dean Kane, All-American Lawman, with my good friend Dean Kane, he played Superman forever on TV. And I have another one, Imperian Earth Illuminated, is a sci-fi, husband and wife team, taking down an evil dictator on a planet in the far-flung future.

And it's really fun stuff. I want stuff that's good, first of all, entertaining, and secondarily, it has good morals in it and good lessons for people. But we don't preach at you. We're not hitting you over the head and making you feel like we're lexed. you. We're just entertaining you first, but we give you great morals, you know, so. Right. It's not moralizing. It's morals to the stories. And I, I, you very kindly sent us a couple of your comic books. Do you do all that art yourself? I do some of it and I have another

friend that draws some of it too. I do a lot of the coloring. I hire guys to color. So the answer is yes, some of it. I only have two hands though. So I can't, I can't draw that many books at once. But yeah. It is a lot. It is a lot. It is very elaborate. I'm like, It didn't seem like one person could do that. So good. I'm glad it comes off very cohesive. I do write all of them, and I do the lettering and all that, and I do a lot of the coloring. And then I split the drawing with a friend of mine who's a 30-something-year veteran of animation at Disney

and a comic book artist also at Marvel and DC and all. He's a great animator. He's my mentor, actually. Even though I'm his boss, he teaches me a lot about art still. He's older than me. And so I want to hear the story about why you left and how you left. But this talent has always kind of fascinated me in that I kind of feel like people that can do what you do sort of learn, it kind of comes out early before it's actually trained.

Is that true? Like you're drawing stuff when you're in junior high school and creating things and things I could not do. Like I could not do any of that. And you'd create characters and things I bet. Well, yeah, I mean, my earliest memories of drawing, I was about three or four years old. And I just like to do it. I think God puts that in you a natural offense. for it. You're not good automatically. Maybe you're better and you learn faster than

others, but you still have to learn. I always tell me it was like being tall. That's not going to put you in the NBA, but it's going to help. So when you have artistic sensibility, or it's like being a singer, you have a good instrument, but you have to treat it. You can't, you can't just, it needs to be shaped. Right, right, right. So yeah, I think us artists, we have our brain works that way. We can figure out what lines are important to put on the paper to make a successful drawing, but we have to hone it. It's a lot of time bent over a drawing desk, many thousands and thousands of hours still. I bet. I bet. So what happened? What made you leave? What did you see? What are your concerns? Let's have it. Spill the tea.

Well, you know, it's really, going back to the Charlie Kirk thing, it's really made it resonate for me again. Four years ago, I walked away from DC Comics because they wanted to change Superman to get rid of truth justice in the American way and truth justice in a better world or whatever. You know the postmodern people. They always want to take the successful thing and then put their modern twists on it because they're not good enough to make their own character. So they want to make the woke version of the existing character's fame. And they also had a storyline where they wanted to explore the bisexual romance of Superman's underage son. I'm not a bigot. You're gay, you're straight, you're whatever. I don't care about that. I care. A, it's sex. These are comics for kids.

B, it's an underage character. I'm not doing that. You know, so I was graceful. I wrote them a letter. you. I worked, you know, making art for them for 15 years. They were nice about it, but I spoke out publicly about it and then they flipped. You know, they got really mad at me and it didn't, it didn't end well. It was big news. It was global, viral news for three days. I was getting emails and phone calls from Europe to do interviews there and all over the news. They wanted to talk to me. It was on Fox and Breitbart. I've been everywhere since talking about this, but I'm a Christian and I just, I couldn't go to church on Sundays and make this stuff for them on Mondays. I couldn't live with that, you know, the way I was raised, what I believe in and all that kind of.

of stuff. It just didn't sit well with me when they finally, finally asked me to make stuff that was just not morally compatible with my values in the way I was raised. And there's always been, there's a lot of noise. Other than creating a lot of noise, were they threatening to you? No, no, no, no, no. But I mean, they were unkind. But you know how it is. You've worked in entertainment and all that for decades with the big companies. And there's complete hostility to Christians and conservatives. They are outright disgusting to us and very rude. And, you know, I remember being at a rooftop party at the San Diego Comic Con. And my editor is talking to my wife and I.

I don't remember what the conversation was about, but it was something political. We were not arguing. It was just talking about the news. And he said, oh, you know how these stupid effing Christians are? And I just look at it. I'm like, hey, we're going to go over here and get another hors d'oeuvre or something. I'm like, I'll talk to you later, buddy. And, you know, they make tons of comics where they mock Jesus and they mock America.

And the white guy's always the bad guy. And Republicans are Nazis and racist. And they use it. And it's, you know, it's dangerous rhetoric. You know what I mean? And when Charlie Kirk was killed, murdered on Wednesday, Gretchen Falker Martin, a far-left person who's writing a new Batman series for DC Comics, said, oh, I hope the bullet that hit Charlie was, okay, tweeted that out and just was mocking him and all that kind of stuff.

And that's derricker for DC Comics. They always vile and disgust into Christians and patriots and all that. And I text Jim Lee, the vice president, the big boss of their DC Comics, the man that hired me. He was my hero as a kid who was my favorite. artist and he hired me when I was in my 20s. So I have his number. So I didn't want to tweet at him or Facebook him or whatever. I wanted him to see it. I sent him that tweet

or post from this writer and I said so when's the condemnation? When's the firing? This is insane. And to their credit, they fired this person the next day, but they never made a public announcement about it or anything. But it's just what goes on. There's still an upcoming Batman comic in a few weeks where Batman's on the cover and he's facing off against a bunch of

people in white hoods. It's like that's supposed to be you. That's who that's supposed to be if you're conservative. And that was pervasive when I worked there, all the storylines and all the stuff like that. So to me, I can't work with people that are going to further that, that are going to make things dangerous with that rhetoric. So I

made my own company. There it is. There's a cover to the unstoppable tyrist. You can go to Yeah, look at that. Meagmancomic.com and check out everything we've got cooking. And I wanted to make stuff that I was raised on. I wasn't allowed to watch all kinds of bad things or listen to worldly secular things growing up. My mother was very strict that way. We didn't

have TV. We had like five VHS cassettes. And she didn't let me marinate my brain in filth, what she considered filth, and now as an adult, I consider it that way. And I want to make stuff like that. So when you say family-friendly, people get, oh, turned off, it's for babies. No, no, no, no. It's family-friendly in the way the 1977 Star Wars is. An adult will watch that and love it. It's fully engaging and sophisticated for adults. But a seven- or eight-year-old can watch, and it's safe for them to watch, and they kind of get the story, and they have fun watching all the spaceships and lasers. That's the kind of

entertainment I'm making, the kind of entertainment that people need. Because Dr. Drew, entertainment is one of the most important things in our culture. And people are going to watch it no matter what. So we have to offer good alternatives. And the right, the conservatives, the Christians, they turn their back on the arts. They say the arts are evil. It's dirty Hollywood. It's devil music. So as conservatives, we don't raise people who are good artists. Because we always say, oh, it's fru-frew, it's wimpy, it's weird. And then the right doesn't have any representation in the arts, so you seed the cultural battleground to them, and nothing is more influential than the arts.

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Well, I mean, you're asking a Christian, so I'm going to give you a spiritual point of you on it too. But I do think when you are the kind of Christian who is moralizing people, Drew, if you don't go to my church, you're going straight to hell and so is your whole family. That's not leading with life. That doesn't win anyone over. That doesn't help. When you want to persuade people, you say, hey, I know you're not.

you do an x i got y and z over here and they might be better why don't you take a look at this it's worked for me that's what i'm offering with my artwork you know what i mean the stories i write i want them to be impactful i want them to be entertaining though so i think there's that and i think there's the spiritual aspect to it which not everyone believes in but i do where it's yeah people who hate god of course they're going to hate christians people i believe this i believe you believe in god or you believe you are god and i think there's a lot of i don't want to believe in god because i don't want rules. I want to determine everything. I want to say what's right. You know, I heard you and Adam in the 90s. I'm like a love line junk. I've heard so many

thousands of episodes. There was a time when you and Adam were talking about this Twism thing with, I think Shaquille O'Neal and other guys was his advertising and it's the world is mine is what Twism stood for. And Adam was ranting about, do you remember this? Oh, yeah. Adam was ranting about this attitude. It got crystallized around Wawa Wobsey because his children were watching Wawa Wobsy which was, you're you, only you are you and you're the best and you have to

worry about anything or do anything because you're just the best. And he was like, oh this is going to create terrible people. And look, I hope everyone is enjoying the post father, post patriarchal, post Christian America. I hope everyone is enjoying it to the full extent. And

Christians have no one to blame but themselves to some extent for being the fire and brimstone people and not being good examples you're supposed to love you call out evil you do but you don't tell people they're trash they're going to hell they're irredeemable that's not what price told us to do we're supposed to a show a better way and then people have a free will we have to accept that as christians i cannot force anyone to believe like me i wouldn't want to because i wouldn't want anyone to do that to me and force me to believe their way so we have to find a way to get along and i think i think the best way is to be persuasive and stories scientific research shows stories narrative movies books comic books music it's the most potent form of persuasion because

all art is doctor patterns and you know when your brain recognizes a pattern you get a dopamine hit right that's why art gives you pleasure because dope pattern recognition is survival so our bodies are made to get dopamine and i think oxytocin you would know better than me you know all the chemicals and all that but we get pleasure from entertainment because we're recognizing patterns And if I'm really good as a writer, artist, actor, and I make patterns with my story, but they're evil messages, you still get pleasure. And then I convince you my evil ideology is true. That's why people should guard their mind and not let filth in. Because to say that the Hollywood people that make filth are bad at their job, you're kidding yourself.

All these filthy movies and music, they're amazing actors, amazing writers, amazing musicians, but the message is vile. And it just, it brainwashes people. We know this. You know this from all the behavioral study and counseling that you do. You know what media do. It's interesting the way you're framing this in that, you know, music and media since 1960s have been moving in sort of what I would call an antisocial direction, right? So anything, you know, the bad guy's the good guy and, you know, there's all kinds of antisocial messaging, right?

And going back to your construct of art being about, don't mean, reinforcement. The most powerful thing for the brain is not something we like, but change. Like our eyes are designed to see, you know, differentiate line. We don't really, you know, that's what fires our brains off, right? And so the same is true of everything with our brain. So a very easy way to get the brain to go, whoa, is with an antisocial message because that's so arousing, so contrary. It's much harder to do it with a story that is not going that direction. And so while you're pointing at the fact that these people are good at what they do, which indeed they are, but they're taking a cheap approach.

They could do better. Right. Do better. Absolutely. And I think as an artist, again, as a Christian, God gave me a gift. Now, did he give me a gift to write and draw to hurt people's lives? If I go make woke content, say, hey, you're gay, you're black, you can't make it. the white man's going to get you.

If I'm good enough at writing, drawing, acting, singing, I will convince people that's true. And if you convince me I can't win, then I'm going to give up. Because Gabe told me with his song, with his story, with his book, white man's going to get me. What do I do? Screw it. So you have a responsibility as an artist not to hate your fellow man.

You're supposed to love your fellow man, right? And when I make good art that tells you, you know what, Drew, you can do it. You can be brave when you're scared. That's me loving you when I make stuff like that. And that's what I'm supposed to do with it. I'm not supposed to make hateful messages to tell you, oh, you can't do it, you're gay, and then you give up. That's awful to tell people that.

Absolutely. So let's talk about, we both said we are free speech defenders. Jimmy Kimmel, as people are saying, was been silenced because of some sort of an attack on free speech. From what I can see, from what I can see, this was more of a business decision, right? It was that the show was ratings were down, every revenue's down,

cost her up, just a basic business thing. But to be fair, he says something provocative, and it is the first thing that happens is that Sinclair group, which is a Christian group of stations under ABC, which have responsibility for their local audiences,

said, this is not conducive for how we want to represent or how we want to serve our local community. We're no longer going to take this show. then another station group did it, and then ABC pulled it. Now, do you blame, is it business? Is it the director of the FCC saying we're going to have to look at this? I know for a fact that Trump didn't even know about it until after it had happened.

I've got that from an excellent source. So how do we make sense of all this? I don't like cancellation. I got to tell you, I don't like it. I'm sort of against it. That's what we're just talking to James about. But how do we understand what's happening? Is it just business as usual or something else we should be alerted to?

Well, you know, I get a royalty check from Disney and Warner Brothers every quarter. You probably do too because we've worked for all these companies. Everything is about money with them. You know that. I know that. That is always the answer. They're going to do what's best for... Mouschwitz.

They're going to do what's best for Mickey Mouse, not Jimmy Kimball. That said, I'm not a lawyer. I'm an artist and a writer. I have an art degree, not a law degree. It was explained to me that the FCC has special rules for A. NBC, NBC, CBS, the broadcast guys that get to use the airwaves for free. And these laws are 90-7 years old. And one of them is you cannot knowingly lie about a crime or catastrophe.

So that is the rationale that's given to me that allegedly Jimmy Kimmel has lied about a crime, knowingly lied. That's against the FCC regulation. They could lose their broadcast license. So Mickey Mouse is like, we're not going to risk that. So that's how it all makes sense to, you know. Interesting. That's interesting interpretation. So I'm just trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying.

trying to make sense of everything, but as usual, big corporations just protect themselves. I mean, that's the people have to understand that. That's how corporations are extremely risk-averse, like extremely. Of course. And I'm sure Disney is no different. Okay, well, listen, Gabe, we support your work. We support the T-shirts that you sent us. Thank you for that.

And I know, Tyrus's friend is my friend. Where should we look for you? What do we want to accomplish going forward? Well, I want you guys to support me in this because the arts. have been just taken over by far leftists out of my normal democratic left-wing people, but you know what I mean, authoritarian, cancel culture, subversive types, right? Joe McCarthy was right. Everyone owes that guy an apology.

The institutions were taken over by these guys. Go to bigmancomcom. I have the best entertainment you're going to find. I'm an award winner. I worked Disney, Warner Bros., all that at the highest level. Me and the other artists I hire, we do the best work. We do work as good or better than anything you're going to get from Marvel or DC Comics. And you can hand it to your kids and grandkids.

You don't have to worry when you flip the page that I've done something awful and obscene. Your kids are going to read it. You're going to read it. You're going to feel, first of all, a ton of pleasure from the entertainment. You're going to feel inspired. You're going to feel uplifted and you can contribute to something great. Right now, I'm crafting a sci-fi book, Imperion Earth Illuminated. A husband and wife team, they found out a secret to overthrow a dictator in deep space.

I've got Dean Kaine, All-American Lawman, with Mr. Ice Agent Superman himself. Dean, it's a James Bond, Indiana Jones, Leithel Weapon Adventure. That's really fun. You can pick that up. and The Unstoppable Tyrus is coming later in the winter, and I've just got more and more books coming. But they're graphic novels, about 115, 120 pages. So I write them in the style of a two-hour Hollywood movie.

I write them like that, two-hour... They're very high-quality. And you got a couple, right? I mailed them out to you. Yep. Okay. Very cool. Thank you very much.

So please, if you can see me, follow me on all socials, like my stuff, retweet it, you know, thumbs up on YouTube. All that supports me and my mission to make quality entertainment that you can have for your family and order books special deal today you can order as many books as you want on my website i won't stop you i won't limit the amount i am that is big it is big mancom yeah that's i'm six four two hundred sixty pounds i named it after myself so it's big man commerce dot combe after after your image also big man comics on x and then YouTube at Gabe L-T-E-E. It's E-L-T-A-E-B. Hang on. You'll T-A-B. Yeah, there it is. Okay.

It's B-L-T-A-B. Gabe, okay. Gabe, okay that. Interesting. Oh, that's easy. Yeah, but I'm a beach-boys guy myself, not a Beatles guy. I'm a big beach-boys guy. All right. Well, we won't put that against you. That your name has Beatle backwards in it. All right, my friend. Thank you for joining us, and good luck and all this. It was a pleasure. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Coming up, I thought today would be a little different, a little fun, and I hope you guys enjoyed our guests. Mousy Dung. Moussie Dong. Thank you for that, Dexter.

Salty Army. Kimball is free to create his own platform where he can say whatever he wants. That is absolutely true, Joshua. Yeah, that is the point. And I think, that's what we did. And I think it's what we did. And I think is what people in traditional media don't understand. They are so wedded to these old models that are failing. They don't understand that they have to go out and fight for audiences. And we appreciate that's why we're so appreciative of the people that support us and the people that watch this because it's not easy. It's not easy. And we want to create stuff that you want to see and participate in and create a community and all these great things we can do with the technology of the day without relying on a giant corporate structure or a giant infrastructure.

You just don't need any of that anymore. It's just us to you. Let's see. Tyler Fisher can make a command performance. Naomi Wool, the culture, Descaro is too much show on that day. On the 30th, as I told you, uh-oh, I think I just scheduled something else on that day. That is an indulgence for me because André is a, what time are we doing that show? Is there going to be noon, 1230? Yeah, 1230 Pacific.

Yeah, 1230 Pacific. That is the 20s. I'm looking at 26. Uh-oh. Well, it looks like there he is. There you are. Yeah. Okay. It was a journalist from France who has got some very interesting insights. And so I'm asking everyone's indulgence to, we're going to get, you hear all this stuff about how

Europe has lost their respect for us. Europe doesn't care. I don't see that. When I listen to European radio and things, I see them wanting to do what we're doing. That's what I keep seeing over there. And we're going to get a a well-known journalist who come in and tell us about it. I'm looking at the replay of you with Gabe, and your backdrops were perfect together. I don't know if he did that on purpose. If he was able to light his up so they didn't match.

He's an artist, maybe it is. I know, but I want everybody to look at my backdrop. I do a good job with that. J.P. Sears, Leland Vitturg, come in. He's got a new book. You know, Naomi's been out there hustling. She's got so much stuff going on, and she's been in the line of fire.

So let's get her in here and give her a chance to take a breather. sure whatever all good uh all right everybody thank you all for being here and we will see you i mean double check is that's is yeah next tuesday is not the 30th right yeah next 30 with you're here with uh leelin vittert and dr joseph whit derring uh oh next tuesday is a 23rd gosh darn it i don't know what that's all about it's three guests it is mark mitchell we got bradley thayer We've got Tyler Fisher. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We're going to have a really big shoe.

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