Ask Dr. Drew - Caitlyn Jenner Running For Governor, COVID-19 Vaccine Reactions & More on Clubhouse - Ask Dr. Drew - Episode 38

Episode Date: July 1, 2021

Clubhouse callers ask Dr. Drew about Caitlyn Jenner’s campaign for California governor, the homeless in Los Angeles, reactions to the COVID-19 vaccines, the state of the coronavirus in Iran, and much more. [Originally broadcast on 4/23/21]  Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You say, where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help.

I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Hey everyone, welcome. Appreciate you all being here. I see you all on the restream. Yes, Andrew Oshkosvili, we are a little early today. I've got, I gave a lecture this morning at a place called Wilkes University, and I've got some stuff coming in in the afternoon I got to get to. And so Susan said, I don't know, one o'clock, 1.30, whatever you please. And

Caleb is kindly here today. Get on the mic, Caleb. People have never really heard from you. Yeah. Caleb is moving to Alabama tomorrow. Yeah. Well, yeah, on Monday, but we don't have any belongings left in California. So this is my last day in the studio. Caleb is much the brains behind everything you see. Uh, even though you talk to Susan and she runs things sometimes, Caleb is the brains and he's also at the webmaster and he's there. If you guys ever need to talk to the person who's running things, that's the person who's running stuff. So that's me. Um, that's, I'll still be around. I'm going to be running stuff remotely. Once we get there, It's a new era, everybody. You don't

have to be in the same room. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. So I'm good with that. And when it comes to leaving California, deeply sympathetic, deeply sympathetic to anyone that wants to run out of California. I don't know how you guys are all feeling. I'm trying to look at who's on the stream right now. Our new place that we're moving to is, it's bigger, it's brand new, and the rent is less than half of what it costs to be in Los Angeles.

Of course, of course. And you have safety and your place for your, can we talk about what else is going to change your life in a few months? Baby coming up, baby due in July. Yeah, talk about major stress. Young people, Caleb's relatively young. He doesn't understand.

They don't understand what stress is. They don't really realize that moving is stressful, children are stressful. Oh, yeah. And they pile stuff on. Ah,

Shel Nellip brings up Caitlyn Jenner. What do you think about, Andrew's asking about it too. What do you guys think about Caitlyn Jenner? I think it's great. I am all for it.

I am so for it. I mean, think about this. I don't know if I'm going to vote for her or not, but the idea that an Olympic champion, somebody with, has run businesses and been successful and has an interesting life experience and is taking on the nonsense in California, I don't know what her policies are yet, but I'm all for it. I don't know what you guys think. What do you guys feel about it? But you guys, most of you guys are not, yeah, they're saying move to Texas. Most of you are not from California, Sprite. You don't have any skin in the game, as it were. You don't feel that strongly about it. Let's see. Oh, Felon. Okay.

Felon. Felon? Felon? It certainly is backwards, Shell. I got to tell you. She spelled her name backwards as her YouTube handle. Andrew is going to write me in in place of Caitlyn Jenner, which I appreciate. But after the nonsense I've been dealing with lately, just trying to get out and help on the homeless thing, I'm not sure this is the time. I don't know this is the time. If you're well-intentioned and you have some interesting ideas and you want to help out, this state will have nothing to do with you. They will have nothing to do with you. They are not interested in its citizens being citizens and participating. They're interested in their citizens being mules that carry the state on its back. That's clearly what they're all about.

And anything that improves the quality of life for people on the streets, people who live near the people on the streets, whatever it might be, absolutely no way. They will have nothing to do with it. And you guys on the stream, maybe I'll do it. I'm going to go out on Clubhouse in just a few minutes and take some calls. I'm not there yet, so give me a minute. But I don't understand the lack.

The one thing I'm finding is so astonishing so give me a minute. But I don't understand the lack. The one thing I'm finding is so astonishing is the lack of collaboration. I mean, why can't people collaborate? I have no problem having different ideas than other people. And in fact, I want people to have different ideas. I want to hear about them so I can update my priors and really focus and refine my notions. I want other ideas. I might be missing something. I am delighted with that. That was why I wanted to be on the committee.

I wanted to see what they were doing and see if I understood what it was and see what I could learn. And no, they can't tolerate that. I don't know if it's because I'm a clinician or what. They, of course, misrepresented all of my credentials completely. But it's just such an extraordinary thing that people can't collaborate today. I have tried everyone that attacks me, particularly people that I should be agreeing with or have are professional colleagues. I call,

I look them up, and I send an email or call every single one of them and not one will come to the phone. You guys tell me why that is. Why will not, some of them will send emails back and forth and then refuse to call. What do you think that is? I have a theory. What do you guys think that is? I'm watching the restream. Oh.

Huh. Shell, 15 years ago we posted a link. Was that on the Loveline or something? Molly lived in California. Glad she's out. Yeah. So what do we think it is? Josh, maybe we'll talk about it on the phone end. Sold out UFC fight tomorrow.

Good, Andrew. Well done. All right. I think you guys are slow to the keyboard. So I will hang on one second. All right. I have a bunch of phone calls to make when we finish out today. All right.

Let me see if you guys come up to the keyboard here. It wasn't Loveline, Shell says, but a question nothing to do with anything, but you took time to talk to me anyways. Well, I'm happy. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to help, Shell, so I'm glad it helped. Discuss rational thought. Treat as a human instead of as an issue. That's

what it would take for, yes, that's what it takes for them to come to the phone, but why wouldn't they come to the phone? You know, they want to be in the news looking for headlines. That's true, but they can continue to do that, Steve, and they don't have to. Just coming to the phone doesn't mean they can't continue to, on the course they're on. Why not come to the phone? Can Do says, I'm not a politician, and that terrifies them. But think about that fear. What is at the core of that fear? Kelly Gallagher, what I said was, when people attack me on internet, and by the way, Kelly, thank you for standing up to me. I think it was just this morning. I try to find all these people. I send them emails and I call them. And particularly when they're colleagues and I have alignment, like I agree

with them, or they have a point of view I'd like to hear about it, I can be collaborative and collegial. So I call these people and I send them emails. Some send emails back and forth. Not one will come to the phone. And so my question was, why not? Why won't they come to the phone? They know I would call things out. I don't really want to. That's really not my intention. I'd much rather hear what they have to say, frankly. It's easy to bash on Twitter, but they don't accept responsibility for their actions. Ilana, you're in the right zone there, I think. I think that's right. So what does that mean? Why wouldn't you want to take responsibility for your actions?

What's the emotional? Oh, that's interesting, Andrew. Ashka tells us the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is coming back online with new wording and warnings. My own opinion about that vaccine is it's a lot more subclinical stuff going on than we know. And so we will see some breakthrough clinically relevant reactions, but I took the vaccine. I still think it's a good vaccine. Drastic measures to get rid of scabies, giving up? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, you take permethrin and ivermectin. Maybe you don't have scabies. So I would worry about that. Most people will not take responsibility for their actions, but what do they feel when they take that responsibility is what I'm going at.

What's the motivational state that prevents them from getting on the phone? Because the country is a bureaucracy, yeah. Do I do vision boards? I do not, but my son does, and it sometimes helps me to look at what he's doing. Here's my theory. You ready?

You want me to let you guys have some more guesses or shall I provide my thoughts on this? I think, now there's a book, I don't have it here right now. It's called How We Change, I think, by a business school behavior specialist from University of Pennsylvania. Oh boy, you guys are asking me questions I have to answer at some point. I will, Mark in Alberta. Let me just say that she said she had some fMRI data that showed that when people act out on people on Twitter and whatnot, the part of their brain, the prefrontal, pre-motor cortex, I think that's what it's called, the part where we sort of identify humanness in other people, turns off. And this other part of the brain associated with looking at or relating with objects turns on. So when you're relating to people on Twitter and attacking them and whatnot,

they're the same as a bottle of water. They're nothing. They're not human beings. That whole perceptual process shuts down and they're objects and you feel perfectly at your leisure to attack a bottle of water. I've always said what I have had a deep sort of understanding of was that they treat us like cartoon characters. You suddenly become a cartoon character. You're not a person. You're a cartoon. And guess what happens when you get on the phone? You become a person. And when they have to come to grips with the way they've been behaving and treating another human, that exposes them to shame and guilt. And the kind of person that uses that kind of projection and aggression is highly shame avoidant. So the idea of being guilty or ashamed of what they've done is a non-starter.

That's why they won't come to the phone. So there you go. So, Tanya, what have you sent me here? Interesting Psychology Today reading. Cancel culture, accountability, or bullying? Well, of course it's bullying. Of course it is. I mean, straight up bullying. I mean, it's, how is that accountability? I mean, there's no due process in is. I mean, straight up bullying. How is that accountability? I mean, there's no due process in it. It's just straight up bullying. So let me just say that somebody asked about why I took the vaccine, even though I had antibodies. And I have been getting my Aditix score done regularly. And I do have very high levels of antibodies. But we are going to go to Greece this summer. And in order to get on the

plane, I have to have taken the vaccine. So an opportunity for J&J came up, so I just took it. I just got it done. And I had exactly what I expected, a terrible reaction. I was sick for three days. And I knew I would, and that's why I chose Johnson & Johnson. I don't want to be sick twice from two different vaccines. And I had spontaneous bruising and all kinds of horrible things that were associated with the more dreadful reactions of the vaccine. But as a male, with a 0.00009% chance of a serious reaction, I didn't worry about it. I thought, huh, these are probably subclinical reactions. I had to stop my aspirin therapy and just, you know, see what goes. And I felt fine. Okay. The India strain, Tony, my understanding is it is very well protective against the India, the so-called double mutant.

One of the mutants is a non-issue and the other issue, and this is, again, this is sketchy data, so I can't say this with any definitiveness. And the second mutation on the E484K region of the spike protein, a little bit problematic, but not bad. How is he difficult to communicate with? Jen is asking me. How is he difficult? Me, I'm difficult? What are going to happen when someone gets something like a cold or random virus?

It's not feasible for people to stay home for two weeks whenever they are sick. Correct, although working from home is certainly a common thing these days. People will be more likely, I think, to respond to colds, but colds are three to five days. So it's not going to be two weeks. And if it is, that's something different. Did I take anticoagulants? No, because, Denise, the underlying, you're right, the underlying issue with the vaccine is platelet aggregation, right? Platelet aggregation, but the dreaded complication

is bleeding. So the platelet aggregation, I just had a CBC a couple of days ago and my platelets are fine. So whatever. I'm not going to worry about it. Let's see. Why can't an antibody test be used for a passport? because Mark and Alberta they are not using it the people who are COVID recovering patients that are in that 30% category

of persistent antibody response are being discriminated against make no mistake about it we are more protected than anybody and there's nothing we can do with that protection. Susan, are you coming to the mic about something? Go ahead.

What's up? Not yet. There's a lot of how dare yous and stuff going on. Jen, I'm not quite following what's going on there. Maybe you guys can tell me what's happening. Hang on. We'll get Susan a mic in a second. Jen is coming to my aid again. I don't know why or how a second. Jen is coming to my aid again.

I don't know why or how or what she's coming to my aid about, but I appreciate it. Lysine and Pril causing a dry cough years after starting it. Tony, kind of unusual, I agree. Maybe he changed the dose or something, but sometimes it will come on a bit later. It can. Susan, what's up?

Well, I'm putting on my travel agent hat um so i did read somewhere that some destinations will allow you to show your proof of having covet yeah within a certain period of time right maybe but it's not you know you don't know for sure it's a risky thing they also don't check it before you get on the plane right they check it after you get off and also the airlines require the vaccine to get on the plane no they know after you get to your destination they require it at tsa so if you didn't have the right paperwork and you flew nine hours you get off the plane yeah hello you're gonna be i go serbia but it might be like 90 day fiance some countries might be easier you never know i not understand they put me in i can't hear oh i was being uh one of the 90 day fiance um stories cough is a common side effect of ace

inhibitors yes can be very bothersome indeed it can sometimes non-steroidal anti-inflammatories help a little bit by the way but once you're on it I would switch to an ARB which is the other system in the angiotensin cascade that will lower blood pressure and the ARBs are really well Tyler I've been on an ARB for years

that's why how dare you means her obviously not you I know it's all good what was that I don't just trying to read these things sorry my questions gets you banned from YouTube again that's really funny that's really funny because I got banned from YouTube a couple months ago for talking about being having immunity after having had COVID well we don't know if that was the only. That was the only violation I could find. YouTube won't tell you. YouTube, of course, doesn't tell you what violation you made, which of course is- Sorry, I'm late to the party.

Do I have any favorite great courses that I can recommend? Stephen, I consumed for so many years, so many of the great courses before you all found out about it. I liked the psychology, all the philosophy ones, all the philosophy ones really were my intro course into philosophy because I got a little bit of that in college, but I wanted to pursue it more as an adult. So all the philosophy stuff, there's a guy named Anderson? Robinson has some very colorful lectures he gives. I did the Egyptology lectures. I did the Greek. I didn't know anything about that stuff, so I learned quite a bit about it. So I was way deep. Oh, it's a great lecture series. Is Lincoln in his words? This one guy analyzes all of Lincoln's public speeches. Fantastic. A

guy from Gettysburg College. Lincoln in his words, I think it's called. It was like listening to scripture. It was amazing what that guy did with it. All right. So Kelly, I see you. Does my son need the vaccine or not? Because he had it. Does your son, your son, I'm not sure who that is. Had COVID.

But who's your son? Who, what are we talking? Oh, my son. So he doesn't want it. Is Jordan taking the vaccine? He's going to wait and a little longer. Yeah. Our other son has had the first one

and he's been sick for four days with it. But no, I don't think so. I think he just has a cold. It's hard to tell. Because his girlfriend has a cold too.

But he said he thinks that maybe it made the cold worse because he's got like a bad headache and stuff. What to do about flying and travel

after having had Guillain-Barre unable to vaccinate? Lou Ellen, listen, I would go talk to your doctor about if there's a possibility you could take one of the vaccines or at least one of the mRNA vaccines. Obviously, it's the usual measures to reduce risk. And if you're going to endemic areas,

like if you're going to a country that's having an outbreak, that's a pretty serious issue. COVID long hauler here, should I get vaccinated? Caroline Rene. Do you guys talk to your doctor about that? But I will tell you two things, three things. I hope you're being seen by Dr. Yeo and Dr. Patterson, number one. Number two, vaccines have been shown to increase, improve long hauler symptoms. I did not find that at all. In fact, I had a recurrence of some long hauler symptoms. And three, you should be looking at fluvoxamine if you have a long hauler. I'm pretty sold on that as a decent

intervention. Mark and Albert, I believe you can donate blood, but I'm not sure how long after the vaccine you can. All right, let me head over to Clubhouse. I'm going to get that going right now. You guys are asking lots of good stuff. Give me a minute to pull it up and get it going. All right. We will start a room now. Here we go. So I am there at the microphone, ready to take your calls if you want.

Remember to raise your hand if you go over there. Oxford study said Pfizer shots cause as many blood clots as AstraZeneca, J&J. Yeah, Gatsby, I'd seen studies like that. And I think it's very interesting. I think blaming it on the adenovirus vector, I think, is weird. Because it's something that I suspect we're going to also have seen actually in COVID. And so it's got to be something about that spike protein. Now, don't know yet, but we'll see.

We will see. Ash Cosvilli wants to know, any news on ZDogg or Dr. J? Still alive. No, no, no. Is he willing to come on the show? Oh, I'm sure. Could you do me a favor, Drew, on the clubhouse? When you're going to do a show, like, I mean, the only two people on there right now is me and Caleb.

You have to have some kind of a blurb about what you're doing and what's coming. Because just random, you know, it's not. So Mark is on fluvoxamine. Can you change it while you're? No, they'll come. Don't worry. Mark is on fluvoxamine and he did not have a very, very significant response. Yeah. I can't, you know, like any treatment, I'm sure it's not for everybody. I had a significant response right

away. My ringing, my ears went away and I felt stronger every day after that. Thank you. And from Denmark. Prozac, Mark in Alberta. Prozac also has similar effects, just not as powerful as fluoxamine. So that's interesting. That's interesting. Your doctor is willing to do that. Again, if you want to come up to the microphone here, raise your hand, and I will bring you back up.

Let's see. Oh, I've got a poor connection. Tanya's here. Give me a minute to get my connection improved. I see them all. Okay. I've got better connection. So hopefully I can see you guys. If you raise your hand. Andrew wants to know if you're going to be a fortune teller. Josh, raise your hand. You said you wanted to ask something.

I can always have Rebecca Fearing show up and just start giving psychic greetings. No, thank you. Not right now. Not right now. Not right now. Do I spam or will you eventually get to my question? I didn't see it, Borderline. I'm sorry.

Why don't you give it to me again because I didn't see it. If I go back up the thread, I don't see you anywhere in the thread asking me a question. So to begin spamming, I may not see it either. So borderline carnivore. So you may want to ask your question. I don't think you push send. What happened to the flu this year? I believe that we're going to find out that flu was actually sort of pushed out by COVID. In other words, I bet there's an ecological component to viruses in the environment. And that people want to say it's the masks and all that. I don't know.

I don't know that flu is really respond to the masks. Then they also want to say that it was the people got flu vaccine. And I'm not sure that's really a significant change. I think it was the really takeover of the environment by one virus. And it makes sense to me that they would be competitive in some way. Miss Dunn, I have talked to Gabor Mate many times and he is scheduled, but he can't do it until the fall. So he will be with us in September. Uh, but he is a friend and I admire, I've always admired his work. And I don't know why the homeless advocates think he has got something. Um, he's writing a book.

You need to say, yeah, super busy right now. Um, borderline carnivores on a school issue laptop. Well, you still haven't sent me your question. I'm ready to take your question. Let's see. Yeah. Right. Uh, all right. Uh,

I'm going to look away from the restream now. So I may not see your questions since you guys haven't, uh, issued them and we're going to get Josh up, uh, to the microphone. Uh, Hey Josh, what's up? Um, not much. You know, You guys haven't issued them. And we're going to get Josh up to the microphone. Hey, Dr. Drew.

Hey, Josh. What's up? What's up? Not much. You know, I had some thoughts about your problem with the committee, this homelessness committee, which clearly you're overqualified for. But I just finished up recording a podcast that has something to do with this concept of like othering, which also has to do, and I tied it into habitual behaviors like addiction and also the psychoanalytic transference. And so in that context, I propose an idea about what's happening to you.

And I think sometimes what happens is that people aren't aware of how they're doing. And they aren't aware of how they're doing and they aren't aware of how they're doing in relationship to someone else especially a character like dr drew who's very well known it's it's kind of like a projection yep it is a good joke it is a projection right so what i was saying in my podcast today that's out uh it's called modern world zen it's out on you know spotify and itunes but what i was saying is that especially when it comes to addiction the addictive brain and this is the extreme case i was talking more about habitual case but the extreme case of addiction is the habitual brain doesn't allow the person to

actually view the person in the correct light. Correct. That is true. They project their own unconscious, unless they're in 12 steps, it's going to be an unconscious projection. Their negativity. The negativity, yes. That is absolutely true.

That does happen. Just their weakness. I'm not saying that the people that rejected you are like that. I'm just saying that the weakness of the habituation itself causes one not to see reality clearly. You've said it many times. That's true. I just said it in a different way. But it happens. But I think the case you're making, which is accurate, that, that negativity, that projection of negativity goes on even when people stop using. And, and, and, you know, the people in the 12step community will call it a problem with the spirit, they will call it. They will just sort of generally put it under that category. You know it when you

see it, the problem with the spirit. And that definitely is going on here. And I think it's the same thing with homelessness too. It makes it very difficult to treat people because the people will say no. They'll say no without even thinking. And it will feel like the greatest response they ever had. They will feel victorious with their rejection of help. Yeah. Yes, you're absolutely correct on that front. And there's a similar feeling just acting out upon other people. Yeah. So I'm going to tie it into what's happening to you. Okay, go ahead. Well, I think that's exactly what's happening to you because clearly you're overqualified. So you're almost the ideal.

Let's just call it what it is. You're the ideal person for the job. Not the person who's, you know, just finishing up his training. So, right. Okay. So in that context, you take on this ideal position. The projection comes, it's very sneaky, but if people aren't entirely absolutely aware

of what they're doing in their own psychological life, probably has to be in treatment, but I wouldn't say so for everybody, they will project onto you, period. Yeah, that's right. I think that's correct. And there's two sort of, thanks, Josh, there's sort of two versions of that projection, right? There is just projecting their own

horrible feelings on me. They're saying, those are your feelings, not mine, when in fact, they're actually their feelings of aggression and that sort of thing. They're, you're, you know, you're all these things that, that, uh, they want to push off of themselves or they get involved in something called projective identification where whatever horrible feelings they're disavowing, they have to make me feel, they have to get me to actually feel those feelings. And that is projective identification. And it's a very unpleasant to be around. Very, very, very unpleasant to be around. Very, very, very unpleasant to be around. Let's get a line here. Oh, there you are. You're up. Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey there. Thanks. Hello. So my thought process in this whole thing,

it's almost like a bullying mentality. Well, not like is, um, and it just seems that people don't want to focus on their own unhappiness. So it's easier to focus on, you know, sending the hate your way when in fact they would have to focus on what's bothering them. And that's the whole thing of, you know, accepting responsibility for their actions, which is why they don't want to, um, talk to you. Well, but, but I would say, again, as I was explaining a few minutes ago, I think there's a personality issue too, right? If you have all that unregulated aggression and you, and you locate the, all your, the negativity out there and not in you, we call that a personality disorder. And people with personality disorders

are highly shame avoidant and they don't like guilt either. And so having to contend with a real person instead of a cartoon object or just an object exposes them potentially to shame, even though the reality is I wouldn't do that to them. I wouldn't expose them to the shame. I would just expose them to being a person trying to collaborate. And that might even be more disturbing to them. Well, do you think that there's more undiagnosed personality disorders out there due to trauma? It's a great question. And I was, you know, Shelly from Celebrity Rehab?

Yes. She and I were talking yesterday and she uh, she thinks it's, it's, it's out of control that way. And she, she was saying, you know, I remember, you know, I keep, she said, I keep thinking what it's like when somebody with a personality disorder is loose in a family, the whole family starts adjusting to attend to the personality disorder. And she goes, that's the whole country right now. It's trying to manage these personality disorders that are acting out and being so unpleasant. And that kind of was an interesting model. That's her model of what's going on right

now. And I would agree with you, trauma is one of the big things that, you know, big things that set up personality disorders, as we know well. So, yeah, it's rough. It's rough. And how much do we, how do you get along with that is really the question. Well, and that's, yeah, that's the big thing is how do you manage that to interact with people like that? I have no problem with interacting with them in person. It's just that when you give them a guillotine and a megaphone and they treat you like an object, that's going to be problematic. That's going to be problematic. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. All right. Thank you. This is, let me read. Some of us are just too smart to deal

with idiots. Drew is educated, but not the least bit intelligent. Huh. All right, Jessie. Very interesting. Thank you. Yeah. I love you too. Do I think it's worth the risk of an otherwise healthy woman to get a COVID vaccine when all of them apparently are causing clots? They are not all causing clots.

The risk of a clot from the one that is predominantly causing clinically relevant clots is 0.00009%. And I took that vaccine myself. And if we're a female, I would have taken it as well. So let's see what else you guys have here. There's another hand up. Jeff, I'm going to call you up.

Hey, Jeff, what's going on there? Hello. How are you doing? I'm good. You? I'm going to call you up. Hey, Jeff, what's going on there? Hello. How are you doing? I'm good. You? I'm doing fine. Excellent. So, you know, I don't know the latest of what you're doing today.

I know that you used to have a TV show a long, long, long time ago. And I'm not sure if you're currently seeing patients or or not but um yeah I was just curious because I heard your comment about the vaccine and and that you got it and you recommend it and all that um I was just curious if you could update me that would be great so uh do you need to hear all my credentials is that what you're asking for what no I don't mean your credentials. I'm just curious if you're still seeing, I'm seeing patients.

I'm seeing patients. Yes. Yes. I'm seeing patients treated a lot of COVID had COVID myself. And, uh, and I interview and keep up with, uh,

people in the virological community on a regular basis. So I'm updated and read the literature as it pours out. And it's, again, clear to me that there is something going on subclinically and that we will see more clinical relevant breakthrough clotting of some type or another. I think that will happen. But I'm also convinced that the same... There's no data for this yet, so I have really no business saying this, but my instinct is, and I could well be wrong, is that it really isn't the adenovirus vector that's causing the clotting. It is something about this spike protein. Uh, I believe that's, uh, you know,

it's very similar to what's going on to people when they have COVID, uh, people that get COVID that have antiphospholipid syndrome do particularly poorly, and they do it because of platelet aggregation and endothelial activation. And that's the phenomenon that's going on with the vaccines as well. So it's going on on a very low-level basis, and for the most part, it has no clinical relevance. I'm guessing we'll learn more as we go along here, but that the risk of similar phenomenon are probably greater from COVID than from the vaccine. But don't know yet. Just don't know yet. So I'm speaking out of school a little bit, but that's sort of my theory about the hypothesis about that at this point.

So can I ask then, do you actually consider this to be similar to a vaccine? You're calling it a vaccine. Are you just calling it that way because others are calling it that? Or do you consider it to be a typical run-of-the-mill vaccine? The adenovirus vectors are pretty typical run-of-the-mill vaccines. The mRNA vaccines is a new technology. The adenovirus is the same as the flu vaccine, using DNA to produce the spike protein. It's very, very similar to how we produce the flu virus. Is there something you take issue with with that? Well, I consider both of them experimental gene therapies that do change your DNA, not directly, but, but indirectly. How? The spike protein.

How? The spike protein goes in and changes the DNA. How? So you're saying it doesn't. No, no, no. If it does, what's the mechanism? What's the mechanism? Because if it does, it must do it from COVID too,

because the spike protein is all over your body when you have COVID. Well, this is not a naturally occurring spike protein that's generated from these shots, right? This is synthetic so that it could be patented. It's synthetic so it can be recognized by the immune system as identical. Not entirely identical, you're right. It's just a binding site, but that site is identical. Okay. Well, you know, I, again, I'm not a microbiologist or immunologist. I'll tell you what, follow, go take, take your questions over. I'll tell you a good person to

ask questions of is over on TikTok. This woman who runs an immunology business and is a PhD immunologist, her Twitter, her TikTok handle is at laughter in light. She'd be a great person for you to submit questions. She answers questions constantly, and I'm sure she would have something she, and she is producing these, these technologies. So she could tell you exactly what she's doing and exactly where it's same or different. Laughter at laughter in light. I can't recommend it strong enough. She, she will interact with you, okay? Okay, great. And one thing I'm looking for, just one other question or comment.

I'm trying to find a pro-COVID vaccine-backed person in the San Jose area for May 29th to debate against Dr. Judy Mikovits. Again, you could also follow Dr. Nock, Dr. D-R-N-O-C. He's somebody that also might be able to do that for you. Okay? Okay. Thank you very much. See, I have no problem with what Jeff's doing. No problem.

I am all for discourse and debate and interaction. I'm all for it. We need to respectfully listen to each other's ideas. Tanya, I'm calling you up here. And I know you sent me a little article. I have not been able to read it, of course, while I'm sitting here. Hi, Tanya. What's going on? Whoop, you there?

You're muted. It always takes a minute. No, her mic is muted it's specifically muted how do you unmute your mic tanya there's probably somebody else up in the meantime you can have more than one person there's no tanya i'm gonna give her a chance at least all right you're still muted i'm gonna bring eric up hi eric what's going on hey man hey wanted to ask a question uh-oh what happened hold on now you broke up too yeah you oh can you hear me i hear you again go ahead there you go um i've noticed this um just kind of from talking to colleagues um about how

i feel like over the years there's been like an expansion in the definition of trauma and the things we categorize as traumatic yes um i'm just curious like your thoughts on that pros and cons around that i definitely feel like there's been some benefits particularly around like yeah emotional abuse neglect yeah yeah that like so so it's a complicated landscape we We've also blended together adverse childhood experiences and trauma a little bit, right? The whole ACE score and trauma, very commonly people will use those as sort of interchangeable in some way. And in some cases they are. I would just say for me, the common experience that shatters the regulatory capacity of a young brain is powerlessness in the face of threat with not going forward.

Like something about their psychic or physical being is truly threat. Right. That makes sense um a i think i was right it might have been jordan peterson talking about like when you encounter something that's so i have no concept for how awful or how bad or how powerless this thing might make me feel it kind of shatters the um you know the brain's ability to process that makes sense of it it, which we're particularly susceptible to in a really little. So that makes sense. And that is the key.

There is some natural subjectivity to it, right? Some what? Subjectivity? Yeah. Well, some constitutional factors. Different people are going to have a different experience. Yeah, absolutely. This is constitutional as well as subjective strengths.

But you said something about what Jordan Peters says about going on being or shattering. Oh, I had something else. My COVID brain is really acting up a bit today. Shattering the ability for the brain to process it. Oh, I know what I want to say. A good sign of that, a sign that that's happening, is dissociation.

If a person is feeling out of body, if they're hovering above, if they're looking through a tunnel, if they feel like they're in a dream, those are all dissociative symptoms. And if you're having dissociation in the face of an unpleasant experience, either that's now a problem and may become a dominant mechanism of affect regulation, or it's calling back from something from your past forward where you're more easily triggered to dissociation. Both are bad signs, signs that you may need some help. All right. Have you seen any cons or drawbacks? I mean, I think there are many with over-identifying as trauma

and how do you deal with that? Give me, you're going to have to be a little more specific. Yeah. You mean people will be, well, here's the, let me just frame it and just say, we collectively,

our collective personality as a country has moved from narcissism to histrionic. And histrionics- With that, everything is trauma. Everything is trauma. Every negative experience I have feels traumatic. I hear people say, I had this traumatic experience when I went to Starbucks. It's like, I get what you're saying, trauma.

And I think they know that that's not, but some people really believe that. But Eric, it's a really interesting thing that you're coming to that clinically where everything is trauma right at the time that the sort of, I don't want to call it collective consciousness so much as the collective, the predominant personality style has become histrionic. It is fascinating to me. And it also suggests that I don't have a lot of experience treating histrionics. It is fascinating to me. And it also suggests that I don't have a lot of experience treating histrionics. I'm not quite sure what we should do. It was always contain, contain, contain. And I guess it's the same thing. Contain, contain, and don't gratify. Gratifying does not work. So it's interesting, right? Well, we're not short on any gratification about that

collectively these days. I'm telling you, it's kind of a really interesting thing. I hope it keeps on moving and ends up in dependency or something. Some other person getting out of the cluster B. Something more manageable. Yeah. All right, my friend. All right. Well, I just wanted to ask you about that.

Thanks for kicking that around. Really interesting. Really interesting stuff. Tanya, I want to get you back again. I'm going to invite you up. I'm sorry. Your car was making so much noise, I had to put you back in the I'm going to invite you up. I'm sorry, your car was making so much noise, I had to put you back in the audience.

So you are inviting, there you are. What's going on, Tanya? Can you hear me okay? I do hear you okay. Great. I just wanted to echo Joshua's sentiment in that you are exceptionally qualified to address the homelessness condition in Los Angeles.

And so please, I feel like as a longtime supporter, I know your heart. And I encourage you to take the energy that Ken left on your show the other day and rechannel that energy into something that's going to be amazing. Well, thank you. I do feel like there's time for a fresh start here. I just don't know. When you're in the middle of change, it's always hard to know where you are. You know what I mean? And your words of encouragement right now actually are really very meaningful to me. So I appreciate it. And I know you're trained and you know what you're talking about.

And I appreciate it very much. How's your work going? You know, actually, URM is one of the agencies that I work with pretty regularly. I'm no longer working in that Spa 4 area that services Skid Row, but I did for about three years. Yep. So I'm very familiar with, you know, the different conditions. Yeah. Right. What do you think about the judge's order coming up to to give temporary or some sort of housing to everybody there? You know, I struggle with this as as as a professional social worker, especially as an NASW member. You know, we look to our code of ethics.

So on one hand, I'm an advocate for assisting the homeless. On the other hand, I also look at client self-determination. And so I know that you're a huge advocate for mental health intervention, support, motivation, motivation. I completely agree. And that's the idealist in me who is a helper. But at the same time, I've been in the role where you are working harder than the client. Well, that happens a lot. I know that's that's sort of not necessarily a good place to be in terms of what the probability is going to be of success. But I've been there a lot.

And if you have a structure around you or a team, you can make that work. You can't do it as a single solo practitioner. But if you're working hard with a team that is a cohesive unit motivating people, it can still work. It can still work. It's been my experience. You know, I am an idealist, so I 100% agree. And I'm like all about a team effort. But there are some clients who are just not, they're not ready.

Yeah, that's true. And yet, because that makes them treatment resistant, right? And part of treatment resistance is block and insight or anosognosia. And those are people that should still not be allowed to deteriorate on the streets. There should be something, again, I know my patients, the addict patients, if you just go, hey, hey, let's go, come over here. They go. They will go. If you ask addicts to do something, they will do it for the most part. They may resist. They may make noise.

But they'll do it. If you're saying, hey, you can't use the heroin here. You can use it over here. Let's go. They'll do it. They'll go. And then once you have them, you can start really working on motivation and try to get them better. That's sort of my thing. But so I guess we will see. We need a whole lot of people on a big continuum of care,

though. That's the other thing that bothers me. It doesn't feel like there's a continuum of care out there, is there? I think right now what we need to focus on in a macro context is policy reform. And you talk a lot about it in terms of conservatorship for people who struggle with you know homelessness substance abuse mental health um so it'll be interesting to see how things play out going forward yeah you know i told uh katherine barger when she offered me this position i was like you know i'm really not interested in it sounds unpleasant to me but but i guess I would learn something, but I'm interested in changing the laws

so people like Tanya can do her job. That's what I am interested in. So yes, I'm with you on that. All right, my dear. Good to talk to you. You too. Thank you. Thanks. Well, she said bye, Susan. Bye, Tanya. She's been a fan

of yours for decades long time and now she's a well trained professional and she became a yeah she did it because of you well she's amazing excellent excellent

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The Clubhouse app is kind of weird with the touchiness. Derek, what's up? Dr. Drew, how are you, man? Hey, buddy. What's happening? Hey, not a lot long time listener big ymh guy uh thanks for bringing us through the pandemic i listened to your restreams throughout the winter your uh calming voice in the storm here thank you so much that

was definitely my goal to try to calm the panic porn man i try to make sense of things and the the panic uh is always makes things worse yeah and and for example i was back in iowa i live in california now but with my parents and stuff so listening to that you know i think it allowed us to be a lot safer just hearing kind of some tips and with the community here anyway i think this caitlin jenner thing is very interesting the governor was down in big sir today and and again he didn't didn't want to comment on it it's interesting to me to see how they position themselves because if they say anything negative about caitlin jenner they can be accused of being transphobic right that's fascinating that's

fascinating to me yeah and i And I think it's such a big name. He's probably kind of shaking in his boots. I think anyone would be better at this point, but what do you think? Are we going to open up in June here? And I live in the Bay area. You know, I think, yeah, I don't know how to answer that. They seem to be so into their lockdown. They just love it. Um, that, you know, we're supposed to be so into their lockdown they just love it um that you know we're supposed to be opening in june i i know that uh obviously saw that interview i did with dr gandhi she was hoping that the mask mandate goes away on june 18th not that we never wear masks but that the mandate go away yeah it would be interesting too because it seems like they'll put a news article out with Monica Gandhi, and then she's got another voice at UCSF that's saying masks forever, and she's saying this is crazy outdoors.

Wow. And it's interesting. It is. Let's be super clear. There is – I mean, just look at Texas Stadium when the Major League Baseball season opened up. There was, what, 35,000 people in that stadium? Not one transmission? So at least in that little population, it face-to-face for a long period of time. So mask mandate out of doors justifies all available science. Yeah, and let me put one more thing in perspective. I'm a working professional during the day, make a decent living,

but I work a night in a restaurant for fun and extra money for the weekend and stuff like that. You know, the government shutting everything down, they don't think about people that work a second job to make, you know, the money to pay these taxes in California. Oh, please. Yeah. I mean, the California, this feeling I have about being a citizen in California is that you're

carrying the state on your back. It's just – I thought the state was supposed to enhance the well-being of the citizen and support their endeavors and their productivity. This is the exact opposite in California, exact opposite. It's weird. Isn't it weird? Yeah, it's – and all those folks that I worked with, I worked with professional service. They've been out of work for that long. I asked the guy the other day, I said, hey, what did you do during the whole pandemic?

He's like, I just sat at home. I just feel terrible. I don't know how these guys live with themselves. In my mind, I just keep thinking about all the business around Disneyland. Hundreds of thousands of people's lives and livelihoods and businesses all destroyed. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. Enjoy yourself. It's like, it's just a business.'s just a business like what well and then it appears that things are getting back to normal but they're really not because i was just in las

vegas last weekend and you know the casino floors are a little bustly but you know if you get up the top decks for all these stores and little restaurants they're still all closed they don't have there's no one coming out you know that's a shame but yeah and then i was just going to mention i did get the pfizer vaccine i got the double dose i don't have any side effects i'm moving on man move forward run for governor save us dr drew well i think what do you feel about caitlin any feelings one way or another well I like, I don't know much about her. We'll hear what her policies are going forward. That'll be interesting, right?

Yeah. And, you know, all this woke stuff can go. I mean, we need to be fiscally responsible and get this state out of the muck that it's in. I just think it's just to me is get the state off the back of the Californians. I mean, just even the gas, how about that gas tax? Imagine you're a construction worker and you're having to haul around heavy, heavy building equipment and you've got a Ford pickup truck, get 10 miles of the gallon. You're, you're done just with the gas tax.

Right. And keep in mind, they're canceling gas powered leaf blowers here in the Bay Area. Well, they did that here too, but there was zero enforcement. So they go on. They go on. That's another thing. You've got to enforce these things, and they don't have the manpower to do it.

Well, let's just put it this way. If they enforce it, it's racist. Oh, exactly. That's why it's not being enforced so they don't do it so good good don't do it uh all right my friend talk to you soon all right good talking to you thank you and if anybody in the audience wants to uh speak here you can raise your hand i'll bring you up and uh much like al in a second uh and just to reiterate that if you do come up to the microphone you you will be streamed on YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, and Periscope.

Al, what's going on? Let's see if he comes up here. Oh, it didn't work. Try it again. There you are. Hello, Dexter. Hey, Al, what's happening? It's all right.

I actually don't live in America. Fascinated. Tell me more. Where are you? Where are you? I live in Iran, which is a weird place to be at this time. Because we don't even have the vaccines yet. So they're going to start vaccinating in, I think, seven months.

And people are dying left and right. So it's kind of weird. I'm so sorry to hear that. What vaccine are they going to start vaccinating in, I think, seven months. And people are dying left and right. So it's kind of. I'm so sorry to hear that. What vaccine are they going to get? They started talking about a vaccine that they're going to. I think they were going to make their own vaccine, but nobody's buying that. They're like, please buy vaccines from other countries. So I think it's going to be the one from Russia.

Yeah, the Sputnik? The Sputnik, yeah. But yeah, it's really scary. People are still supposed to be at home, and nothing's really moving on yet. How does the economy function with that kind of shutdown and no sort of end in sight uh it's it's been dysfunctional for for a long time and as you know like uh uh like anything that was on the verge of being destroyed like corona just

pushed it over the edge so i think the whole country is kind of we're kind of on the edge before it came and it's kind of really bad now and our new york is uh in the first day of spring and our whole thing is like meeting relatives and going out and like like, it's really... Do you think that's going to happen? Or can you even do that? It did happen. It did happen.

And like, that's why things are getting really bad because like people were done with the quarantine. So they went all out and going to like, uh, see their relatives and going to other places. So, yeah, it's kind of,

I'm so sorry. Wow. That is, uh, rough, my friend. Is there anything you could do it as, as a citizen or are you just sort of at the mercy of the situation?

Um, just staying home and putting on a mask. I don't, I don't know what to what else to do but like people most people here don't get that luxury to stay home because like um i feel like like um people weren't really making too much money on the internet yet everything was really kind of uh i don't know so are you are you being are you being uh silenced in some way can you can you you know put the story out on instagram and that kind of thing and what you're seeing um i i this is like i don't know most uh persian influencers in america i don't know. Most Persian influencers in America, I don't know why.

Because I see these rooms in Clubhouse and Lake Street, a lot of American podcasters hang out most of their time in Persian rooms. But they don't really talk about what's going on here. Is that because they're here and they just don't know? I don't know. I feel like it's been a, I don't know what you call it, a shadow ban

from any medium. People don't really talk about what's going on. Most of the people who they interact with are Persians who live outside of Iran. They don't really know what's going on and most of the people who they interact with are persians who live outside of iran they don't really know what's going on here caleb caleb come in here on the mic he was shaking his head vigorously when you said the shadow banning yeah it makes sense especially which country did you say you're from iran iran yeah i was actually looking up right now to see the statistics for iran and yeah it would make sense that certain governments would not want

the information to be out there so then they would start shadow banning the information when you try and post it. I am so sorry, my friend. I, you know, I'm sure, boy, I don't want to get into the politics of it, but the fact that humans are suffering is awful. Awful. I hope

it gets better soon. Well, please don't be silent about it. Take videos, tell stories, put it out there. I mean, this is the one thing that social media can do, right? True. But talking to you, I couldn't even dream about it. And so it's a huge step forward. Thank you for connecting.

Well, we're glad we connected. Please don't be a stranger. Get out there on Twitter. Tag me. I'll follow you connected. Please don't be a stranger. You know, get out there on Twitter. I'll, you know, tag me. I'll follow you. And I don't know. Did you spend time here in this country? Your English is so perfect.

Oh, thank you. No, I actually haven't. I just, I have a lot of friends. I've been on, I like comedy. So I've been following a lot of comedians and i hang out at like comedy store discord server so we kind of write jokes together even though i don't live there so i know a couple of open micers and can you escape can you come over here i hope i don't know i don't know yeah i hope i could but it's kind of weird.

There's this show called 90 Day Fiance where they bring people over and they find guys. They find, be one of those guys and come on over. Find or know older women. Yeah, I might have to start putting mayonnaise in my head or something. Oh, no. So basically, I mean, while he's waiting for for the vaccine he just needs to follow the protocol yeah because there's no treatment either there's no treatment you can't get the treatment it's just

he's a young man thank god he'll be fine all probability but his family and of course attend you still believe in all that stuff yeah if you can get it he's this is they are in dire straits so yeah five thousand of,000 of D, 1,000 of C, 50 of zinc, not bad ideas. But that's on the margin, right? These are things on the margin that can help you. And wear a mask or two masks. Wear a mask. But I'm sure he's worried about his whole family, right?

This is not just himself. Caleb, you put some data up there. What was that? So scary that it's still that. These are the daily change of cases in Iran. What are we up to there? 20,000 a day? 24,000 new cases.

That was the most recent one from- Do we know if that's accurate even? That's from Google, so I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, it's what they're putting out, so you never know what's really going on.

Right. All right, my friend, you got a lot of fans over here. So scary. Good luck. Thank you very much, thank you for bringing me. You bet, buddy.

Of course. It was an honor. Pleasure's mine. Okay, hey guys on the audience here, if you have any questions, Thank you for bringing me. You bet, buddy. Of course. It was an honor. Pleasure is mine. Okay. Hey, guys on the audience here, if you have any questions, anything you want to say, you can raise your hand. I'll bring you up to the microphone. LG Health and Beauty says vitamin D is most important. Yeah, vitamin D is important whether or not we have a COVID outbreak or not.

So there you go. That the vitamin D is actually associated with reduced metastatic disease if you have certain cancers like prostates or associated with reduced cancer generally. So it's a good thing. Casey, who is the main mommy you'd like me to bring in, my friend? Let's see, Brandy. I'm trying to read your stuff here.

Okay, and I'm going to scroll back through the restream because I've not seen what you guys were talking about. I've been busy with our callers. Somebody had a question about the Sputnik. Are they going to get the Sputnik, Andrew asked. And that's what they say they're going to probably do. We don't know. They all said they're going to make their own. So, okay. What's the difference between D and D3? D3 is what you want to take. You know, vitamin, you know, there's 125 didihydroxyvitamin D, and that's essentially created with your gut and with a sunshine input on your skin, and that's the active form of the virus.

And D3 is the one that gets most. You can actually take even a more active, a higher dose form. It's a prescription strength of 50,000 units, but it's kind of a different thing. So that's if you have truly deficient in vitamin D or have trouble absorbing vitamin D, which is not an uncommon thing these days, by the way. Let's see, Zed. Hi, Zed, what's going on there?

Hey, Drew, what's going on? Not that much. We're just kind of chatting with folks. You have any thoughts? Yeah, so you and I talked last time, but I just wanted to say that Oregon went back up to high risk in a lot of counties, which I find extremely odd because I'm 24, but now I can get my vaccine.

I'm going to get it on May 7th. So I just don't understand the correlation with a lot of people getting the vaccine and then we're going back into high risk. It just doesn't make any sense. I'm looking at the data here. California is now the lowest in the country,

lowest state, which is weird. Oregon is heading back up. Let me some data on oregon if i can uh wild daily and total trends here we go compare across states and regions here we go most people are heading downward and again we still and what is it they're requiring you to do now i think it's just like um you, everything was opening up and then now things like restaurants can only be at like 25%. It's just like we're not going full lockdown, but we're going greatly reduced. Well, I mean, it's an interesting question.

My beef was with the complete lockdown because it was locking people indoors where they were transmitting the disease. A sort of distancing makes some sense to me in the sense that it's a reminder of what we need to do to keep vigilant about staying apart from each other and wearing our masks and that kind of stuff. That I don't mind so much. I have to tell you that. I don't mind that. What I would mind is if they then went to, okay, that's it. You have to stay home. That's when you get into sort of territory that doesn't make much sense. And it's also, it's so profoundly impactful on people's lives and mental health.

Again, that's where I have real problem with it. So hopefully things will change direction. I am trying to pull Oregon up right now. Let me see if I can get Oregon on my list of states. One second. Hold on. The CDC has this crazy site. We can only put in a few states at a time.

And so I'm putting Oregon in. I'm updating. Let's see what we got. It didn't take. It didn't didn't come in oh maybe now oregon are you looking for oregon covid cases yeah you have that yeah i can get it up here yeah i mean that's using what a fine data i'm just curious we're uh i know what are you using uh i was using the cdc you just did a google yeah i just did it on google it It says the sources, New York times. Yeah. It doesn't look that bad.

I mean, it's going the wrong direction. He uses like a lawyer guy. How is the, how is the vaccine rollout going in Oregon? I mean, people 16 and up are now getting it. And from my understanding, you know, everyone I know, you know, my brother's uncle's brother's girlfriend, you know what I mean? Everyone either has it or is getting it. But my question is, is the state doing a good job of distributing it? Because in other words, rather than locking down, how about they double down on the distribution of the vaccine? Right. That's what I would say. Yeah. Yeah.

So I hope they do better. Again, I worry about the variants. I worry about sort of the state running amok. I mean, there's a lot of things to worry about right now. Why is my dog freaking out, Susan? I don't know. Samantha says they vaccinated 1.5 million. Is that in Oregon?

What's the... How many people live in Oregon? Can we look that up? Hang on one second. Working out and no masks, restaurants are packed. Where is that, Janie? Oregon has 4.2 million people. So if they got 1.5 out, that's doing pretty well, if that's true. Tests are BS.

False pod is overwhelming. Real positive. What's the point of fake tests? It's not that simple. Having a moment of clarity was overwhelming. Uh-oh. Steve Killer, that is called the mania. I don't know if you were doing drugs or anything,

but be very, very careful with those sorts of symptoms. Okay. Do you feel the lockdown, that there will be less suicides and overdoses? Absolutely. Absolutely, Kelly Gallagher. The impact on the development of 8- to 15-year-olds, the social and cognitive development of all children who were locked away from school,

the telling children that they were going to kill their grandmother if they didn't wear a mask, the isolation of elderly people and everybody, the isolation, and the use of alcohol and substances in response to the seemingly hopelessness of this situation has been profound, has been absolutely profound. Let's not mince words. And the effects of this are unknown. I think I mentioned, was it on this show earlier? No, on a speech I gave this morning, I was saying I'm an optimist and that perhaps it will be the case that these 18, 15-year-olds that

have been so profoundly affected by this, but not just the pandemic, but the policies of the government in response to the pandemic, that that would maybe one day give them some motivation to do something positive, some sort of change. So I'm an eternal optimist on all of this. Okay, let me see. Guys, I'm going to have to wrap up this Clubhouse room. I appreciate you all being here. It was a really interesting conversation with great questions. But I'm going to wrap this up right now.

I have dogs going insane, so they won't let us speak no matter what I wish. So we will see you at a future Clubhouse certainly next week. We will be in New York doing these streams and we will definitely use Clubhouse at that time. So again, this app is weirdly touching on my phone. Thank you guys. Back to the restream. I'm with you guys still. Do I think people's reaction to the vaccine correlates to how badly they had COVID? Amanda, there is some evidence of that. And some of that may be the fact that people respond badly to the spike protein or the virus. And so when you get exposed to it again with the vaccine, that there's just a more exaggerated response. I have a bad response to viruses and vaccines, no matter what the cause is.

So I knew that was going to happen to me. Anthony Brown, what's going on, buddy? I see you there. Not many people are acknowledging the ramifications of this pandemic. I know that. You're right. But it is profound. Okay. Rain says, Brett Weinstein had an interview that called into the question of vaccine subverting innate immunity. Yeah. No, there's really no evidence for that. These are all worthy theories. All the theories about accelerating the pathogenesis of vaccine-resistant viruses, worthy of looking into.

Also, subjugation of innate immunity, worth looking into. People are looking into it. No evidence. No evidence of that. So if that were really happening, we would see evidence of that. So evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission. Cosmos, categorically, I mean massively, massively so. There's overwhelming, again, all of you, I recommend in the strongest terms,

follow Dr. Nock over on TikTok and follow at laughterinlight, at D-R-N-O-C and at laughterinlight, L-I-G-H-T. Susan, are you okay? I think they're in the back there, I think. All right. Yes, Patty Ford, the dogs do want my attention. No, there's a guy in the backyard. I'm wondering if brain inflammation due to the aftermath.

I'm feeling CFS symptoms. Yes, Caroline Renee. For sure, we know, you know, follow Dr. Patterson and Dr. Yode, Dr. Yode, Y-O, Dr. Yode, when doctors spilled out. And they have lots of data about brain inflammation following COVID. That's part of the long hauler syndrome. And I had that for sure, improved with fluvoxamine in my case. Anyone take an antidepressant or anxiety medication after it's over from meth? Listen, don't take benzodiazepines under any circumstances.

You can take gabapentin, Neurontin. Antidepressants, I will tell you, you will respond. If you're having mood disturbances and particularly memory disturbances coming off meth. My experience, well, Buterin has been efficacious for that group. Do I think we'll see another COVID event in our lifetime? Probably, well, depends on how long you have to live. If you're in your 20s, yeah, probably.

They're roughly every 10 to 15 years, you get some sort of pandemic. But now we're going to have a different technology in response to it. Our vaccine technology is leapt forward in this present outbreak. What are my thoughts on vaccine passports? Look, my feeling of vaccine passports are I don't care. I'm sort of in favor of them. Why do I care if I have to hold a card out that I pull out of my wallet or scan a QR code? I don't care.

They are demanding so much of us to move about already. I don't draw the line of the vaccine passport. I worry that the vaccine passport is going to create an out group. And in fact, I'm already in that out group. I tried to get a vaccine out, a passport, and tried to sign up for it in New York. I'm going to New York next week. I can't get it because I took my vaccine in California. So I'm in the out group. What are we doing? It's a great opportunity to use this. What's that? Oh yeah. This is the time to do it. Yeah. And I gave a tweet last week that people went ape shit over for no reason. We were just asking, how do you feel about it? That's all we were asking about. And particularly it was for

me because other countries were mandating that I take the vaccine. I took the vaccine and then I couldn't even get into the in-group in New York because I took the vaccine in California. And we spent a lot of time in New York. That's right. We're property holders in New York. Do I think we'll need a vaccine booster every year? Yes, I do think there will be boosters for a while. I do think so. So in any event, this is a weird time, everybody, beyond weird. And so creating more outgroups or segregated groups, that's always a concern for me. What does that mean? And people need to think that through. Again, we have a government that's out of control right now in terms of their hand into

our personal materials, our personal freedoms, and our personal HIPAA-type records. They want them all. It could be worse. We could be in Iran. Right. We could be in Iran. We could be like, oh, that was worse. That is worse.

What are the downsides of taking a second dose of Pfizer if I had severe COVID? Leopold, how did you react to the first one? It's really downsides of not taking it. Quarantine facilities when you travel, that's in very few places, Mark, now, or not in everywhere anyway. What are the downsides?

Second dose, I know, I see you, Leopold. How was the first one? If you did okay with the first one, I think the second one will be okay. I do. Vitamin D3, because what the skin makes is when exposed to the sun. That is correct. Most studies show effective to raise blood levels of cholecalciferol over D2. That is correct.

That's why you take vitamin D and not D3 and not a D2. Does weed cause mania? Steve, you know, wax does. I've seen wax do that. And also hallucinations. Yes, I've seen that too, Steve. Leopold had bad reaction in the first dose. So this is a real conundrum, isn't it, my friend? So there is data that shows that you can take, you got to talk to your doctors over at Kaiser about this. There's certainly evidence that you can take one vaccine and do well. And I've seen your antibody profile, and you're in that moderate category. So if I were you, not your doctor, but if I were you, I would be anxious to take that second. I personally, as a patient, would be anxious to take that second vaccine to get the full benefit.

That would be me. Again, if I had your antibody profile and I had a bit nasty reaction to the first vaccine, I think I would bear down and get ready for the second vaccine and set aside three days and take it. Personally, that's what I would do. If I was your doctor, I would have a hard time advising you to take it because when you're making somebody sick, that's very difficult to do. It's very difficult. But as a fellow patient, somebody with moderate COVID who had a bad vaccine reaction, yeah, interesting. Cindy Liu, I do think Novavax will get approved. I do. And that's another whole new technology. It's going to be very interesting. All right, everybody, thank you all for being here. We're going to be away across the weekend.

Susan, not back till Tuesday. Is that right? Susan Pinsky? You know what? We may have that guy tomorrow that you. Oh, we're going to get Paul Webster in here tomorrow. I beg your pardon. So hopefully get Paul Webster in here tomorrow, which would be nice.

He's a. I was trying to get him to come on the. On the clubhouse. Yeah. He's a coalition builder. He builds groups of people. He gets them together to do good work, to try to help people. And he's trying to help the homeless thing right now. And I want to address him about coalition building and about collaboration and why we can't do that.

Why people can't seem to do that. That is absolutely insane. So hopefully tomorrow afternoon around this time, we will do the same. We'll visit with you guys. and I'll interview Paul Webster. And until then, I hope the rest of the day goes well. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. This is just a reminder that the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care or medical evaluation. This is purely for educational and entertainment purposes.

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