Ask Dr. Drew - CALLERS ONLY: Dr. Kelly Victory & Dr. Drew Answer Your Calls On Any Topic LIVE – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 195

Episode Date: March 19, 2023

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So today we had a guest that needed to reschedule and we thought, well, the show is called Ask. Let's do a program where we just allow people to ask us whatever is on their mind. AMA for Dr. Kelly and myself. Yesterday we had Michael Sanger in there. I heard a rumor that we may have some special guests coming up on the Twitter spaces as well. We'll keep an eye out for them. I don't see them in the audience just yet. But a reminder that if you do choose to come up and ask questions by raising your hand,

you are agreeing to stream out on multiple platforms. It's Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Rumble. And it's all live and we'll get it started. I love the cartoon. I love Caleb's cartoon on how to join the spaces. It's so good because I'm not exactly clear necessarily how to do so. And there it is right in that cartoon. So let's get to it.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. And welcome. As I said, we're out on Twitter spaces, and we'll be watching you on the restream and, of course, Rumble Rants. And, Caleb, I hope I'm not bum-rushing you with this because I asked Susan to get this information to you. She turned my mic off so I couldn't talk to you in the preamble, the run-up to the show. He's yelling at me. I couldn't hear him. I don't understand why she couldn't have heard me yelling, but I would like to bring Kelly in right here now at the beginning.

I don't know what you do. There she is. I don't know what he's going to do with the little video welcoming you. Maybe we'll just play it anyway, but thanks for joining me right from the start. That's okay. Hey, no, I'm happy to do it. It's great to do an all-call in-show once in a while, so I'm sorry that our guest had to reschedule, but this should be a good opportunity to take some good questions. Yep, I agree. Before we get into the calls, I want to tell you something, give you a little review of what happened yesterday with michael p singer

let me see if you're here do you know who michael is i i do i do and uh hopefully he was exposing a lot of the corruption uh and malfeasance that's gone on at the hands of the chinese communist party if i know him yes the snake oil science is his book book. But it was more than that because, as always, when I interview people that are sort of extreme in their positions, let's say, literally two months before COVID broke out, had more to do with the extraordinary measures which were immediately contemplated and the acceptance of those. What's that, Susan? Oh, she's talking to Michael. And acceptance of those measures by essentially pandemic planners

and public health officials around the globe. I couldn't understand how everybody would take something that had never been contemplated before and grab onto it. Also, not only were they sort of primed by that conference, the people that went to the conference were sort of evangelists. They were like going to save the world from the next pandemic. And they had a really tight relationship at the conference with their Chinese counterparts without understanding the differences with which the Chinese Communist Party

would apply some of these things. Is this helpful? Do you think this is an interesting interpretation? Yeah, well, I think what you're describing, Drew, is that the pandemic itself was fundamentally choreographed. It was scripted, and they practiced it ahead of time. That's what that conference was. That was them practicing the steps, the routines, every single component of it, from the musical score to the actual text and narrative. They practiced it, and they did it over and over again, and then they rolled it out to see if it was a dress rehearsal,

and then ultimately the rollout. And we have lived it. We have been living this hell for the past three years, but this was heavily scripted. And as I said, I don't believe that the word choreographed is too strong, and it absolutely was done at the behest, I believe, or at the directive, perhaps to continue with my, you know, with my example here, would say that the producer and the director of this show was the Chinese Communist Party. But it's, you know, when I was talking, and hopefully he'll come into the Twitter spaces, he will get them up here. But it wasn't as clear cut that they were going to go all the way with some of these draconian measures until the Chinese convinced them that this was the time and look how well it worked. It had been sort of loosely talked about as social

distancing, I guess, in the conference, which is, again, something they made up during the conference and or had been talked about a little bit a couple years before, but nothing that's really a meaningful, you know, phrase. But it became total and absolute abject lockdown because, you know, Caleb, put the picture the uh snake oil book up there again because the at the time at the at the behest of xi jinping the chinese communist party that that yellow line under uh chairman peng jiping there is the that was the incidence of COVID in Wuhan until the straight line across until the Supreme Leader put in a lockdown. And that was the flat line that occurred allegedly throughout China, not just in Wuhan, but throughout China. While by the way, the rest of the world was having outbreaks all over

the place. This was insanity. And they believed that graph. Yes, exactly. That was that. That's what it was. And when you read the book, for example, by Deborah Birx and you listen to people who actually were there, whether it's Paul Alexander or people who were there in the White House at the time that these decisions were being made, it's very clear, Drew, that part of the way that they were able to affect this was by convincing people that the Chinese party, the Chinese have it figured out. And we really need to follow their lead because they know how to do this. or a science degree behind their name, should have taken one look at that graph, at that trajectory of COVID deaths, or COVID cases, whatever, and said, well, that's absolute insanity. And as I've said from the very, very beginning, and we should get into this a little

bit, I don't know if you've ever spent any time in China. I've spent a lot of time there. And part of this issue is because of the incredibly divergent cultures that we have in terms of what they see as acceptable, the way they manipulate their people and things of that sort. There are things you cannot understand the pandemic if you look at this through Western eyes in the same way that you can't understand jihadism or different cultures, if you put your mind just through Western eyes, you have to look at life the way they look at it. The Chinese have no regard for things like intellectual property. There is no concept in China of a patent. For example, you cannot own an idea in China. There are things that are very, very different about the way that they manage their culture, their society, their businesses, and their relationship certainly with the government. So it was easy for them to enact

things in China that would normally be impossible for us to do in a free society, certainly in the United States. But by acting as if they're doing this under the guise of the public health, we were able very quickly, they were able very quickly to get people to hand over the reins to their civil liberties, absolutely abdicate all control over their lives to the government in the United States in a way that was previously, frankly, unimaginable. Michael Sanger is actually up at the podium right now. Michael, there you are. So Michael, the next thing I was going to tell Dr. Kelly was about the Can you hear me okay, Michael? Yes, sir. Can you guys hear me? Hear you. Got you. I was going to tell us about the Italian public health minister who shut down, was it Tuscany or whatever that region was, Lombardy, and what his proclivities were.

Yeah, so that's a fascinating story in itself. So before that lockdown of Lombardy, Italy, it happened on February 21st, 2020. And before that lockdown, you could really, I mean, there was virtually nobody in the entire world who was talking about actually bringing China's lockdown policy to the rest of the world. I mean, that idea was just non-existent. The World Health Organization actually did not endorse China's lockdown policy and give their imprimatur to it until a few days after Lombardy, Italy went to lockdown. So, you know, how did they even get that idea?

And it turns out that if you go back and you look at the records, their health minister who really imposed this decision, and he makes it clear in his book. So his book actually, he put out a memoir about his experience leading during COVID and, you know, imposing these policies and his decision making. It makes it very clear that he knew at the time he was doing that, he was adopting policy that only China had done. But this book, which he published is towards the end of 2020, it's actually only out for a few days, and it's actually pulled from all the shelves in Italy. It was so embarrassing and so damning because what comes out of the book is the guy just doesn't even care about COVID. So here we have the person who imposed the free world's very first lockdown in the entire world. You could probably count on one hand.

I mean, there were tiny, tiny, just like a tiny number of individuals, probably less than five individuals who are in the entire world who were talking about actually bringing China's lockdown policy to the free world. Suddenly, Lombardi Italy just does it. And the guy who made that momentous decision, which set the precedent, you know, every single leader around the world and every country that came after that cited lockdowns in Italy as a precedent for, OK, this is not just a Chinese policy, it's a policy in the free world. But the guy who made that decision was actually this fanatical leftist health minister who didn't seem to care at all about COVID in his book, and all he cared about was bringing these far left policies to Italy. He was part of the Young Social know, young socialist alliance within Europe. You know, very fond memories of being this, you know, far left socialist figure growing up and just had all these really, you know, far left visions about how, you know,

we mean more communitarian society. You know, it's all the, you know, old school communist propaganda is essentially what he's writing in his book. I mean, the epilogue, he talks about his vision. I mean, it's just, it sounds like you're reading Karl Marx. The guy is just a fanatic. And, you know, in the background, it's like, oh, so by the way that, you know, this is all because of COVID. And we were told the story is that this guy was so panicked and he made this, you know, panic decision to import this policy of lockdown for China. Oh, that's regrettable. But he was so scared at the time. The guy didn't even care about COVID.

All he cared about was the far-left policies. He had the opportunity to do that. Michael, on Event 201, did anybody talk about lockdown during that sort of rehearsal at Event 201? No, not specifically. There was an extension of this pandemic planning industry that had been doing these simulations year after year. And the idea of social distancing came up in that sort of pandemic planning

industry. But these were all voluntary social distancing measures. Just the idea that you could advise people to keep their distance, keep their space if they wanted to. But it was vastly different when the lockdowns actually got imposed across the free world, which were mandated by law. They actually shut down. That was never discussed.

It was ruled out emphatically as being a terrible idea in every pandemic plan. But those pandemic plans, when the time came in 2020, were simply tossed out. These lockdowns have absolutely no precedent within the modern Western world. They have no precedent in any pandemic plan. But using that precedent of, you know, the World Health Organization saying, you know, what China has shown, you have to do this. The idea that Italy made the decision became a precedent one by one, you know, like dominoes, every single country in the world shut down. Italy? I mean, Kelly? Yeah, well, I was going to point out that with regard to this social distancing issue, the way it was discussed at

that event, at that white table or white boarding event that happened just prior to the announcement of the beginning of the pandemic, is social distancing was very different there as well. It all of a sudden became codified as this, well, it's well-known and well-established that it's this six feet and you need to have people going one way down the aisle in the Walmart and plexiglass shields and all of these things.

It took on a life of its own. And not only, as I said, was social distancing was made up from the very beginning, but then it became codified as if it was some, you know, well-established scientific construct in public health. And everyone's throwing it around and children are screaming six feet safe. You know, I mean, absolute just, it was ridiculous. You know, Kelly, someone on restream stephanie restream said something funny she said lockdown was a prison term and and shelter in place was a nuclear

warfare term so they had these extreme language to scare the shit out of people right right yeah it was all just a scorched earth care campaign. And Kelly is absolutely right that this idea of social distancing is complete pseudoscience. And that's a fascinating story in itself. Right around this time that pandemic planning, the inception of that idea that was around the early 2000s, they come up with this idea of social distancing. If you trace the origins of that, we get the sort of semi-official story in the new york times and there was a book by michael lewis saying how oh it all came out of this little girl's science experiment a little science project yeah and that sounds so stupid it's like oh my gosh like our government actually did that they did all this damage because of the science experiment it turns out that story is just a cover story it's not real social distancing they claim that was the origin of social distancing,

but social distancing was already in the CDC guidance a couple years before that. And where did that come from? It all came from China's lockdown during SARS. The word social distancing is actually just a copy of China's lockdown policy during SARS-1. They just gave it a Western name. And so they invented this entire field of pseudoscience, which, you know, people seem to generally take seriously and become evangelists for.

This idea of social distancing, they never actually used it in the modern Western world of practice. They had no idea what was actually going to happen. And that's why it became so comical and silly when it was actually put in effect. Didn't Paul Alexander, wasn't he the one that said that they made it up

and they said, well, let's just make it six feet? Right, right. Because nobody knew what it would actually mean because it was just this vein of pseudoscience. But it's no accident that you have that sort of, you know, you look at that and you see, okay, well, I can see how they were panicked. They took this idea of social distancing, which is an actual scientific field, even though it was kind of silly. And since they were so panicked, it became lockdowns and mandates. Well, it's no accident because that entire idea of social distancing actually just was a rubber stamped version of China's lockdown policy from, you know, 15 to 17 years prior. And then Kelly and Michael were

banned from Twitter for shouting off the rooftops and saying this is BS and boom, they were off. Yeah. I said it from the very beginning. As you say, Drew, that I pointed out from the very beginning, I said, I challenged people. I said, look, I, you know, I'm sitting in an entire my library, you know, of books on epidemiology pandemics you know, public health, infectious disease, whatever.

I say I defy anyone to come and pull a book off the shelf in my library and find the term social distancing in the index. You know, I mean, truly. I mean, and this is included, you know, I did my training in public health at Harvard, the Harvard School of Public Health, and places like Harvard that you would have thought would have been speaking up. Instead, we're jumping on board as if this is an entire scientific construct. And I had half a mind to call them and say, gosh, if it was really a verified scientific construct, why didn't you ever mention it to me in any of my classes? Maybe you should have mentioned it. So that's a ridiculous story as well. mentioned it to me in any of my classes there you know maybe you should have mentioned it so

that's a ridiculous story as well social distance is actually a negative sociological term or discrimination that's actually where it comes from from 100 years prior they used it as a very bad thing for the social distance around somebody when they're discriminated against and they took that sociological term and the guy um richard hatchett who this book is about about the origin of social actually says that he took a sociological i just took that sociological term and the guy, Richard Hatchett, who this book is about, about the origin of social justice, actually says that. He took a sociological term. Oh, I just took a sociological term and that's what I named this idea of separating people. Of course, he doesn't talk about

the fact that it was just Reverend Sam from China's lockdown policy. Michael, you've been writing about excess deaths during the COVID outbreak and since, and that is something that needs to be explained uh john campbell did a a little youtube video today i think it's out maybe it was out last night uh where he is showing some footage from the english parliament the british parliament

where they're they're hammering you know for for information and they're getting from the MPs essentially, yes, we are concerned too. Well, we need to look into this. We agree, but nothing. What do you imagine the story is there? I still try to figure it out myself. And these are, again, non-COVID deaths and they've shown, I'm sure you have this data too, very clearly it's above and beyond being explained by lack of follow-up because they've been able to show it in populations where there has been more than adequate follow-up. Oh yeah, far above and beyond. So what happened is we now have, you know, evidence, just mountains of evidence from all over the world that this virus is circulating all over the world by fall

of 2019 and probably long before that. So it's circulating everywhere. And it wasn't really causing a serious amount of excess death over what happened in prior years out of sync with what you would expect during a bad respiratory virus. This was a bad respiratory virus. There's no question about that. So it was causing some excess deaths. But what we see is that in a country like Sweden,

which imposed very few lockdowns and mandates, they actually had the lowest excess deaths of any country in the OECD, of any wealthy nation. So simply by doing nothing, they had the lowest amount of excess deaths. So where are those excess deaths coming from? They're coming from the lockdowns and mandates themselves. That fact is corroborated by the fact that these excess deaths, and the New York Times actually admitted this quietly, they acknowledged the study that showed this, these excess deaths are not in the elderly people who are at most risk from the virus. They were very, very disproportionately among young people who have virtually no risk from the

virus. So these excess deaths were due to stress caused by lockdowns in the middle of the self. That is further corroborated by the fact that these excess tests do not begin until right after these big cities, such as New York and the cities in Northern Italy and other major metropolises like London, right after they impose these lockdowns, that's when they get these huge spikes in excess deaths. It's right when they impose those lockdowns, which are just so destructive, so horrifying for the public, they cause surges in all kinds of mental health and physical health related issues. Not only that, but also taking the ventilator guidance from the World Health Organization, which was implemented at the exact same time. It turns out, we now know, that those ventilators resulted in 90, those who were put on

ventilators who are age 65 or older, had a 97.2% chance of dying. To put that into perspective, if you were not, for patients over age 65 who were not put on ventilators, were 26 times more likely to survive if they were not put phenomenon ventilators versus if they were. It's extraordinarily deadly policy, and that resulted in a lot of those surge in excess deaths that we saw right after lockdowns went into effect. Kelly?

Well, what I was going to say is, and as you know, Drew, my tagline from the very, very beginning from second week of February of 2020 was the virus is real, the statistics are not. I think it's going to be extraordinarily difficult, unfortunately, to really ever get our arms around the exact number of

people who truly died from COVID. Excess deaths are attributable to many things, including absolutely what you're talking about here, Michael, amongst younger people. But also, there's a huge component that would be attributed to lack of care for other things. For example, the number of people who didn't get routine care for things like diabetes and heart disease and those sorts of things. The number of people who delayed screening exams and therefore presented initially

with relatively late stage colon cancers, breast cancers, and those sorts of things. There's a component attributable to increases in substance abuse and depression, particularly in young people, overdoses. There's a huge issue related to therapeutic nihilism. The fact that many of these people who were claimed to have died of COVID undoubtedly died of bacterial pneumonias that weren't treated. They went into the hospital, they had a swab shoved up their nose, they tested incidentally for COVID, and their bacterial pneumonia was considered to be a COVID pneumonia. They never received

antibiotics. Drew, you know that the standard of care is for elderly people in particular to get antibiotics within an hour of hitting the ER if care is for elderly people in particular to get antibiotics within an hour of hitting the ER if they have a pneumonia, because time to antibiotics is a critical predictor of survivability. So many of these people died of routine bacterial infections that would have easily been treated by the appropriate antibiotic therapy. But that smacks, I'm not surprised by that because it smacks of how things were so centralized during the outbreak, which was if COVID, thus saith the Lord how to treat it.

And that does not include antibiotics because antibiotics doesn't make COVID better. And so they miss, I could see how they could miss things. It makes perfect sense to me. Huge number, right. So I think there's a- So both you guys, both of you you will give your chance to answer this. Why is it continuing? And maybe even accelerating.

And why are we vaccinating young people with it? Hold on, it's a different matter. But why do we think this, let me give Michael a chance first. Well, we're killing off our military. Michael, why is this going up in the face of the lockdowns easing? Because it's just the... So I think the effects of it are just so vast. You know, especially the economic damage and the psychological damage are just so continuous

for everything we saw. And all, you know, really began with those initial lockdowns. I mean, just extraordinarily psychologically damaging for people because the vast majority of people did support this response, this really draconian scorched earth response in the very beginning. And that led to everything that followed. The years we got of these strict draconian mandates, you know, we had the mask mandates, we had the vaccine passes, things got insane for a while. And I think we're now just grappling, you know, the bill for that is coming due. The Federal Reserve, I think, offset it

for a long time with super low interest rates. And now we saw the economic effects of that. We're seeing inflation. We're seeing, you know, banks going under. People are starting, I think it started to dawn on people, you know, how damaging this was across the entire country. And also that, you know, so much of it was just based on lies, just know, how damaging this was across the entire country. And also that, you know, so much of it was just based on lies, just based on natural lies. It's extraordinarily difficult for people to deal with. I wonder if you can build a mathematical model of some type where you show increased death rates amongst prisoners in isolation and overlay it over the population, somehow create a model that shows that there's some sort of correlation between prison isolation and social isolation as we had it during the lockdowns.

So, Michael, we got to get to some... Do I do? Let me just throw in there. I think you cannot overestimate or I should say, excuse me, underestimate the power of the financial incentives that were for hospitals. At the time, hospitals received a significant increase in reimbursement if somebody was admitted with a diagnosis of COVID and a huge amount, $37,000 on average per patient, if the patient was deemed to have died of COVID while in the hospital.

On top of that, enter remdesivir. Medicare paid a 20% premium on any patient admission if they were given remdesivir during their admission. So there are huge perverse financial incentives for these different healthcare institutions to continue. You asked why is this continuing? Because the dollars are really, really intoxicating. On top of that, you add this whole control feature. The fact that there's a lot of control, control itself is very, very intoxicating, and there are people who don't want to give it up. And then you layer on top of that the issue that for physicians in particular, a lot of physicians and people at the helm of this debacle are having a hard time acknowledging that they were duped. It's pretty tough if you bought into this ridiculousness and you were one

of those people who removed every other chair in the waiting room of your clinic or made people wear masks or all of this absolute insanity to now say, turns out I was duped. I was a fool. I bought this stuff, hook, line and sinker. So people just say, well, I'm just going to continue it just, quote, just to be safe. I'm like, to be safe from what? You know, rather than saying I was wrong, this was silly and I shouldn't have done it. Well, you're right. But, Michael, the pushback I get, I meant to ask you this yesterday, is when you say this was all made out of whole cloth,

it was all non-science, not even pseudoscience, it was strictly non-scientific, it was out of panic, and they used extraordinary measures that were damaging and dangerous. The pushback I get, yeah, they were trying to save lives. Of course, they were going to save a million people. How can you get mad at them for wanting to save lives? What do you say to those guys? My response to that is if you talk to any dictator in history, every dictatorship in history will say that they're motivated by saving lives. They say that these are all exceptional emergency measures that they're implementing. Of course, they go on indefinitely.

They're meant to save lives. It's the only legitimacy they can give themselves that these, you know, they're taking away your rights. Yes, they're breaking all the rules. They're, you know, implementing all these emergency, you know, supposed emergency measures. They're throwing out science completely. You know, like you said, it's a complete inversion of what actual science is. They threw out the real science and took these mandates and lockdowns, which had absolutely no basis and no precedent and no place in our in that big planning or in, um, you know, Western public health guidance for epidemiology and called those signs. Oh, this is

completely. So I would even say more. So it was clear. These measures weren't doing anything, but I'll even concede weren't doing much and they were doing lots of harm. was super clear and instead of examining reassessing adjusting and by their by the way at the same time there was evidence accumulating in places like florida and sweden that an alternative i mean it was a case study that they could look at but as opposed to studying these things adjusting course they became draconian in their crackdown on any alternative measures. And that was unconscionable. Yes, they made mistakes. Yes, they were trying to save lives. But look to the

lengths they went and look at the damage they did. That's the part that I'm having trouble with. The early guidance that came from the World Health Organization, we know it's just in many ways the exact opposite of what they should be doing. You know, the ventilators, they said, we're going to save lives. Instead, they just, you know, they killed people. All the lockdowns, they said, that was necessary. And again, they made a mistake.

I get it. People make mistakes. Adjust course. Look at the sending opinions. See what's going on. Try to figure this out. Instead, crushing alternative opinions. Talk about, that was the most anti-science part of

the whole story. Exactly. Yeah. Instead, what they did was censored those who actually had the courage to defend real science from the pseudoscience that they had simply imposed. It was a complete inversion of what real science was, complete inversion of what truth was. And these, see with 10, over 10,000 employees, instead of standing up for our, you know, our history of epidemiology, the wealth of epidemiology, epidemiological knowledge that we developed over more than a century,

they took that pseudoscience that was given to them by the world's health organization and defended that pseudoscience against those who actually had the courage to stand up and say that, wait a minute, this is not what actual science is. It is not helping people. All it is doing is causing catastrophic, indefinite psychological damage. And all it succeeded in doing is convincing people that there was a super pandemic, convincing people that the virus was hundreds of times deadlier than it really was, as the average American said in polls. And that just caused these mandates to go on in perpetuity.

They were psychologically self-perpetuating. When people see those masks everywhere, when people have bought into lockdowns that did so much damage, they have to believe there's a super virus out there and they just keep doubling down and doubling down. And our institutions completely failed, our leaders especially, to have the courage to stand up against that narrative. And so what they did is embraced that Orwellian, totalitarian, destructive narrative and actually fought against those who were trying to talk some sense to them. They were only capable of doing it. The only reason it was ultimately successful, however, I believe, was because they were very good at engaging the mob. They got the mob, they got the average person to do their dirty work. They ran up the social justice flag and they got... And people are

out, you may recall, all the mainstream media was out there talking about how rat out your neighbor. If your neighbor has more than two cars in front of his house at Thanksgiving, you know, call the authorities, you know, call people out. And you saw, you know, video after video of people being accosted in the grocery store for not having their mask over their nose or for daring to do something. They engaged the mob. They engaged the average Joe citizen to become the brown shirts. Without the brown shirts, we could have had a chance of standing up. But it was neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother. This is this was the tactics that they employed had would not have been successful. I don't believe had they not had the mob, meaning the vast majority of the population, helping

to support their dirty work. That's exactly what it was. The only thing these policies succeeded in doing was creating a cult. They told people that cowardice was actually courage. They told people that their own lives were science, that real science was just following orders, and that actual science needs to be, the actual scientific process is anti-science and needs to be censored. And they convinced people that the people who were actually brave enough

to stand up for this stuff were the enemies. They convinced people that their own friends and family were the enemies. Michael Sanger speaking to us from Twitter spaces. Caleb put his book up there and maybe his Stubstack address, if we have that. He's on Twitter at Michael P. Sanger. It's E-N-G-E-R. And your Substack, Michael? MichaelPSanger.Substack.com.

And it's, you know, funny. I really wasn't aware how brainwashed the public had become until I got a bad case of COVID. And every single person, non-medical person, who talked to me said, were you scared? Were you scared? I thought, why would I be scared? I really, I was confused. I was like, this has a 1% fatality rate in my age group. And I thought, well, if I needed hospitalization, that would put me into an 8% to 12% maybe,

and that would be a little different. But if I can stay out of the hospital, it's a 1% fatality rate. When a doctor tells you you have a 99% chance of survival, he or she is telling you, you will survive. There's no doubt about it. 99%. We never say 100% with anything, but we will say 99%, and we mean essentially 100% at that point. So we're going to take a little break here, and I guess we're going to—Caleb, are you

going to be able to disconnect Kelly's reintroduction at the end of the little break? No, it's fine. It's a nice little introduction. Okay. It's good. Kelly will have her own introduction again at the end of this little break. Michael, are you willing to—we're going to take calls after the break. I don't know if the calls are necessarily going to be all on this topic.

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on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Uncharted territory we have been addressing today. Michael Sanger is with us at Twitter Spaces, as well as many others have raised their hand there. So we're going to bring as many as you possible up. And this is Health Uncensored. And then unmute that mic. It has a weird way of remuting.

Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi, Dr. Kelly. Hey there. Hi. Hi. My question, Dr. Drew, is regarding vaccines. Prior to COVID, there had been over $4.2 billion paid out in vaccine injury lawsuits in the United States. And since COVID has started, we're seeing data sets showing HIV reactivation upon vaccination, hepatitis C reactivation, shingles reactivation. And it's known that those viruses are involved in a lot of different inflammatory diseases. What do you think is the causal mechanism behind vaccine injury? Well, that's a big question. You're talking about the COVID vaccine, right? You're talking specifically... And vaccines prior, vaccinations prior. Prior to COVID, there have been over

$4.2 billion paid out in vaccine injury lawsuits in just the United States. Right. So many, I will let Kelly answer this as well, but of course, no medical intervention is without harm. Every time you take a Tylenol, every time you walk into a doctor's office, vaccines have the potential to trigger some nasty reactions, transverse myelitis, various immune attacks. I mean, there's all kinds of things that can happen to acute anaphylaxis. There's stuff that happens from vaccines.

No one ever suggested that they are 100% without risk. The problem that we've been discussing on this program is trying to assess the risk of COVID versus the risk of COVID vaccine and whether that risk reward in young people is something worth taking. Kelly, what do you say? Well, as you said, a very, very complex topic, but let me start with this. reward in young people is something worth taking. Kelly, what do you say? Well, as you said, a very, very complex topic, but let me start with this. The human immune system is the last great frontier

of medicine. It's extraordinarily complex, and it doesn't always respond the way we think it will to an immune challenge, including a vaccine. There's a reason the average vaccine takes six to eight years to come to market. If it ever comes to market at all, you might recall that there are a heck of a lot of viruses for which we have never created a safe and effective vaccine, including things like herpes, norovirus, coxsackievirus, rhinovirus, previous coronaviruses, and with good reason, because frequently they will

appear to be effective, for example, in the early clinical trials. And then as time goes on, either the efficacy drops off or we have adverse events that occur. And those are some of the reasons that these vaccines fail before they ever come to market. Why have there been so many vaccine injuries? Many of them fall into the category of autoimmune related issues. When you do something to modify or somehow change the immune response, which is the goal, let's face it, of a vaccination is to somehow modify your immune response, cause it to create antibodies, for example, that immune activation can go sideways. And it does. Many, many illnesses that people don't think of are actually related to autoimmune disease, multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease, psoriasis, Guillain-Barre, many of these things, not all created equal, not all created equal by the way.

And so there are a lot of, uh, vaccine injuries related to immune issues with regard to the COVID vaccines themselves. And I know I'm covering a lot of territory in a short period, but with regard to the COVID vaccines themselves, it is undeniable that there's an immune suppression that occurs as a result of these mRNA shots, that when met with another pathological challenge after getting injected with these shots, people do not mount the same immune response that we would have expected, which is why study after study now shows that repeated doses of these COVID vaccines puts people at higher risk of contracting COVID. In other words, not only are the vaccines not effective at stopping you from contracting COVID, they actually increase your risk.

They work the opposite way. Furthermore, you are right. We are seeing a huge increase in people having resurgence of things like outbreaks of shingles, hepatitis, and certainly cancers that had been in remission. This again is a result in suppression of the immune system. And we know, for example, that IgG levels go up disproportionately after vaccination and specifically a subcategory of IgG, IgG4, which is responsible for recognizing and wiping out cancer cells. So there's good reason,

a good science behind what's happening. Unfortunately, suppression of the immune system can sometimes be absolutely disastrous, if not deadly. And the other thing that vaccines, we weren't specific, I'll be a little more specific about this, is that the autoimmune attack is an accidental sort of crossing of the wire, so to speak. Your vaccine is directed at a particular protein, and lo and behold, the protein on the lining of a neuron looks the same in a given individual with a certain genetic makeup.

That gets attacked. Now you have multiple sclerosis or transverse myelitis. Right. And so it's this cross-reaction that's the more dreaded piece of this. Michael, I want to bring you back up for a second can you uh unmute yourself hey absolutely somebody uh on the our chat here asked uh what about nile ferguson and the oxford group and their recommendations and whether how were they involved in the whole lockdown story so no fergus's models, you know, he had those catastrophic models where

he put them out right around the end of February 2020, saying that, you know, millions of people are going to die of this virus unless we impose these strict social distancing measures. He'd been one of these evangelists for social distancing for many, many years before this. So there's no question that Neil Ferguson played a huge role in this story as one of the leading instigators of lockdown. This is very much on the record. He also, you know, he was connected to the original information that came from China with regard to this virus. You know, he was actually connected to leaders of the United Kingdom and had direct communication with them, you know, saying, yeah, you know, they actually suppressed this virus using this lockdown in

Wuhan. So he was one of the original advisors to the government of the United Kingdom who normalized that initial narrative that sent the entire world into a tailspin. The part of that story that gets played down in the mainstream that you don't often hear about is Imperial College and Neil Ferguson himself. Imperial College has the closest ties to China of any university in the Western world. I mean, it's up to their neck in Chinese connection. Xi Jinping actually, in his only trip to the United Kingdom as general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, he visited Imperial College in his 140th trip to the United Kingdom because they're that close.

They get an extraordinary amount of their funding in every field. Xi Jinping unveiled a new collaboration plan in the fields of public health and epidemiology and lo and behold, biomedical science

while he was there visiting Imperial College. So Imperial College is extraordinarily close to the Chinese Communist Party. And testament to that, a year later, Ferguson told the United Kingdom's largest newspaper that he actually said this in quotes, you know, we didn't think we could do it. We didn't think we could get away with it here, get away with lockdown, because, you know, it's this policy that comes from, you know, one party communist dictatorship. And Italy did it and we realized we could. This is one of the quotes from leaders,

you know, saying very clearly this is policy that came from China and Italy became their pretext to do it in their own countries. Wow. Right. If you want to know how, if you want to know, Drew, by the way, what somebody is really afraid of, whether they really are afraid of the thing that they're telling you to be afraid of, watch their own behavior. You know, I have spoken for many, many years, for decades, about the dangers of motorcycles. You will never see video or photographs of me riding on a motorcycle. These same people, whether it's, you know, Gavin Newsom or Neil Ferguson talking about, you know, how you absolutely should not be, you know, congregating in public. You should not be having anyone in your home who's not a direct family member. You know, he was out cavorting with his mistress and

doing all kinds of things, not wearing a mask. At the same time, he was predicting we're all going to die. So if you want to know what somebody actually, whether they believe what they're telling or not, watch their own personal behavior. Let's bring Fred up here and get Fred's comments. What do you want to ask us? Fred. There he is. You got to unmute yourself Fred well it gets a little glitchy

on Twitter spaces sometimes wanted to talk to Fred because he's spreading he says in his Twitter profile he's spreading positivity and I thought oh there's somebody I want to talk to that sounds good of course of course oh maybe he can be on he can be on my you know an effort bug you know he's in my bucket list yeah okay that's what we need here is positive people

this um this is a dramatic story that we have heard on this program before. I don't think, Kelly, if you were here. But this is usually Sean's father. Is that who's on the line here? Yes, to unmute also in a second. There's a delay. I think the Twitter. Wasn't Dr. Vicki Male from that college that you said? Yes, she is. The Imperial College of London.

It's tomorrow's episode. Yep. You know, Twitter spaces does get a little glitchy sometimes. If you ever listen to other people's Twitter spaces, they sometimes re-set them. They let them go and bring them back. Sean's dad,

I'm going to... Well, we can talk about... Let me see if I i get some other people up here hold on here um see if you can bring michael on i don't know itana let's see if i get it sounded good that sounded hopeful sounded like somebody's just joined there she is she's coming up uh now what'll happen is your your itana your your mic will mute. There it is now unmuted. It's weird. How are you? There you are. Yes. Got you. What's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Thanks for having me. My name is Aitana. I'm a reporter for Daily Clout, which is Dr. Naomi Wolf's website. in today because I actually just finished kind of a mini investigative piece that talks about a little bit what you were talking about in terms of the

more local state actors that enforced all of this stuff and the organized propaganda campaign that we ran so so it it's just that you know I'm curious to hear mr. singer's opinion about where the Rockefeller Foundation, the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation all fit into this, because there's a lot of small little nonprofits like Project Vector and Critica Science that then get tons of funding from these huge organizations. And they directly use that to squash misinformation, define misinformation, and then label anybody who calls anything they disagree with. Anytime. Before I get Michael's comments, would you do me a favor? Would you send me Naomi's top four articles on the effect on women's reproductive health to contact at drdrew.com?

I tried to email her to get that, and I'm wondering what she uses for her strongest argument. I want to read those very carefully. Okay? You got it. Yeah. I'm assuming that's the for her strongest argument. I want to read those very carefully. Okay. You got it. Yeah. I'm assuming that's the prepare for tomorrow night. Yes.

Con Michael, go ahead. Correct. So the Rockefeller foundation Gates foundation, these are both, you know, key players in the whole pandemic planning industry. The one that had been holding these sort of annual simulations,

doing all this preparation for the pandemic that they were, for some reason, so excited about because philanthropists, they need something to make themselves feel important. And they also have deep, long-term connections to China. So one of the things that you might have heard about is this Rockefeller lockstep plan. And that came out around 2010. And there's a lot of disturbing elements. They're not talking about it as a positive scenario, but they're sort of entertaining the scenario where a whole pandemic happens and governments around the world implement all these mandates. and they never relinquish them, and the entire world becomes more centralized and authoritarian following this big pandemic. Oddly, you look at this, and so much of this is exactly what we experienced in 2020 and 2021, and that is not an accident.

Does that mean that was just deliberate? The Rockefellers were sitting there like Montgomery Burns and planning how they were going to do this all? No, that's not what it means. And if you look at the scenario, they're not discussing it in a positive manner. But they are also working on this with China. The Chinese Communist Party was a part of this simulation, just like they were a part of Event 201, which happened at the end of 2019, where they were simulating a coronavirus pandemic just a couple of months before a coronavirus pandemic.

In both cases, just these very, very uncanny similarities. You have the lockstep plan, lockstep simulation where they have, you know, a pandemic and it results in all these new emergency measures and authoritarian measures and that changed the entire world, just as we saw in 2020, 2021. And then you have event 201 where the Gates Foundation was heavily involved. And, you know, a lot of that came true as well with the coronavirus pandemic. So what's going on there is that the Chinese Communist Party was involved in both of those. And so you have two things going on. So that's normalizing within these big philanthropic organizations that are

involved in pandemic planning internationally. That's normalizing these ideas in their mind. And also, you know, normalizing their relations with China. They were big pushers for, you know, partially because they made so much money there and possibly just because they worked with China for so many years. They're the ones who are not hawkish about China. No, no, no, no. We can work with China as a legitimate global partner. Come on, guys. Treat China as you would treat any other country, which, of course, we know Xi Jinping is a very ruthless dictator,

the most ruthless dictator that we've seen since Mao Zedong. China is very much backsliding. But these big philanthropic organizations, simply by forming these close relations with them, this is a key way in how the Chinese Communist Party normalizes itself internationally. So you can see how these organizations, because they have so much legitimacy, it's essentially legitimacy laundering. You know, if we got these ideas, these policies directly from the Chinese Communist Party, I mean, you say, hell no.

Like the mayor of Los Angeles decided to shut down, said, I was going to shut down Los Angeles because, you know, that's what the dictator of China did. And, you know, I want to be like him. That's a distinct possibility, by the way, but go ahead. But the philanthropic organizations and the World Health Organization, of course, rubber stamping the policy and saying, you know, China has shown you have to do this. That gives a lot of international legitimacy. And even more than the World Health Organization, the Gates Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation, you know, they have so much legitimacy because these are smiling faces everybody trusts. You know, before COVID, Bill Gates was just like, you know, he was life goals. I mean, you know, it seemed like he was

just, you know, this nice guy. If you think back to those days, his marriage was still intact. We didn't know about any of that. We didn't know about any of the horror stories or what kind of maniac the guy was. He just seemed like, oh, he's just like this nice guy who made billions of dollars and he's trying to help people. We didn't know about any of this in his close relations. I mean, he's met with Xi Jinping so many times. I mean, he can't even count personally. I mean, he's just fascinated with the worst dictator in the world and these relationships he has with the Chinese Communist Party.

I don't, you know, I don't know how deep that relationship is. There's absolutely no question that he is very, you know, disturbingly close to the Chinese Communist Party. He played an absolutely tremendous, enormous role in normalizing this hideously totalitarian policy of lockdown and his influence within global public health, all the world is, you know, one of the biggest roles of anyone in the world in, you know, legitimizing this policy all over the world. But it absolutely, Etan, is the engagement of these, it's the engagement of these smaller groups. So, because as Michael's saying, no one would one would have said, oh, I'm doing this because the CCP said to. It's the engagement of all the brown shirts locally, including, by the way, one of the most

insidious things I thought was the engagement of religious organizations, including the Catholic charities. The Vatican was very much involved. You're getting this messaging from every single previously trusted source that's telling you to do this. And if you don't do it, it's because you're not a good person, because you don't care about others, because you're self-centered, you know, these sort of, because you don't understand the science when in fact it was precisely the people who did understand the science and people who are trying to speak out who were silenced and censored. Utana, does that satisfy you?

Utana? Yeah, it's great. And if I could just add one more point, I would say that, you know, these people, the people in these nonprofit organizations, they're very public about what they do. And they're holding monthly Zoom meetings now that they're public. And they openly say, you know, that we have to reframe conversations to take people who have vaccine hesitancy and reframe it towards, oh, you're saving grandma. And they're still saying this in 2023.

And it's out there on the internet for all to see. All right, my dear. Thank you for calling us. And I look forward to that literature, okay? I know grandma wouldn't have wanted to live. Yeah. What were you going to say, Michael? We cut you off there a little bit. Yeah, I was just going to say that's exactly what it is.

So for so many years, the Chinese Communist Party ingratiated itself with all these elite institutions, you know, think tanks, universities, big philanthropies like the Gates Foundation and newspapers and governments. And they all became gradually sort of normalized to treating the Chinese Communist Party as a legitimate global partner. So then what happened is all of a sudden in 2020, just like that, you get this blitz where all of our pre-existing science, our wealth of epidemiological knowledge developed over more than a century just gets tossed out. And what is superimposed is all these totalitarian policies that are simply taken directly from China and rubber-stamped into policy, and we're told that is the science. Follow the science. We also get this big propaganda campaign.

What happens is the institutions, the leaders of them, propagandize themselves. And so they become convinced that this is real, that this really is the science. Because how could, you know, Bill Gates is saying it and the leaders of all these other institutions are saying it. It's all just because of the relationship they developed in normalizing the Chinese Communist Party, in normalizing totalitarianism. I'm going to try again with Sean, answer for Sean. See if we can get a hook up there.

I just tried JJ Brown also. I think Michael should teach Chinese history. Well, he's certainly interested. Or politics of China. So, yeah, we just cannot get answers for Sean connected. It's interesting. It's not, oftentimes it's a screw up with the microphone but his for I'm gonna put your back my friend the audience here I'm sorry we're gonna keep going here

okay one second let's talk to Sherry here so you can get Sherry connected up there we are it comes it comes right in it's just something's going on with the answers for Sean. And Sherry, your mic will mute, and then you need to unmute it, and we'll be talking right to you. Okay, I think I've got it on. Beautiful. All right, great. There you go.

Hi. Hi, Dr. June, Dr. Kelly. Sherry? First, I just want to say I'm so really grateful for what you all have been doing. It's just been excellent. That's right. I'm a theologian. And I've always leaned left,

but since COVID, I feel like I have no political home. And I just am calling because I wanted to offer a perspective on the mRNA therapies that I haven't heard many people talk about before regarding a religious perspective. So in looking at gene therapies, I look at them basically in the same light as genetic engineering. Both to me are, you know, based on a worldview that says that there is no wisdom in nature and no divine presence in nature. And I wholly reject that worldview. And I fully accept evolution. So regarding genetics, I want to say that I trust God and have toward nature. And so, you know, and I see it like when people talk about the religious exemption possibilities to the injections, it's always been focused on fetal stem cells. And that may be an issue for people who are more on the right. It's less of an issue for people like me who've been more on the left and more of a progressive theological stance. But I want to say that, you know, many

like me see nature as whole and as holy and as infused with God. And so, you know, I was, you know, from the very beginning, suspicious of these technologies in the same way that I'm suspicious of genetic engineering, where they're mixing. I don't know if the plural of genus is genuses or something else, but, you know, where they're mixing genuses and with no regard for what that might do to the entire system, to the entire ecosystem in the cosmos. So I just want to throw that out there and see what you thought. You're not alone. I will tell you that. But Kelly, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, Sherry, I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly. I remember, I'm old enough to remember when they first cloned an animal, when they cloned Dolly in the Petri dish. And I remember saying that we are going down a very, very dark road here. We are interfering with the very basis of the universe. Now, fast forward,

I've said from the very beginning of the pandemic, as soon as they sort of rolled out the idea way before the vaccines were launched, but they said they were working on them, that much, I think, of their motivation was to make mRNA a household term, to make people believe that it was something that was highly vetted, very safe, and sort of a scientifically a fait accompli. That is not the case. Now we know, if you talk to people like Dr. Peter McCullough, who's done a lot of research on this, that the mRNA, as you said, it is genetic engineering. It gets incorporated into the DNA, something we were told could not happen. And one of the newest concerns really on the horizon is whether two people who are vaccinated, a man and woman who have been vaccinated,

when they procreate will then create a new entity, a new baby with new DNA. That child will then be coded for the spike protein, for example, in this case. Because if both the mother and the father have it in their DNA, then the child would be conceived with. So you are talking about, these are things that are,

when I said in my intro, we are in uncharted territory, that's part of what I'm talking about. We are absolutely messing with mother nature in a way that I think could be disastrous. And if like me, I'm a person of great faith, I think we are doing ungodly work. I also, as just an aside, I find it fascinating that the millions of people who would never eat a genetically modified tomato were the first people to roll up their sleeves and take these shots. But I digress. It's mind-boggling. And, you know,

I've been following a lot of alternative voices in this since the very beginning. And, you know, I've been following a lot of alternative voices in this since the very beginning. And, you know, and looking at people talking about like the Great Barrington Declaration and of humans and mammals in general, that there have been things that viruses have given us. Like he claims that placenta in mammals came about as a result of viral injection into our genetic makeup. And so, you know, again, I prefer to trust nature and evolutionary time. And it makes me so upset upset this attitude we have. Sherry, I actually think that the reverence for the DNA machinery and its extraordinary, awesome potential, I think you would find immense support

amongst the scientific community for attitudes very similar to yours. I think we would disagree immense support amongst the scientific community for attitudes very similar to yours. I think we would disagree, like Kelly and I disagree on whether or not there's a difference between a CRISPR technology and mRNA vaccine technologies, which do they get in the genome, don't they? This is a little bit of an area for disagreement. But when it comes to the awesomeness and the sanctity of what's going on in the nucleus of the cell. A lot of scientists feel that way. I would refer you, I'm going to take this back to Michael now, The Codebreaker, Jennifer Doudna, gene editing, and it's a book called The Codebreaker.

It's about the woman that developed CRISPR, essentially. And in that book, this is how I'm going to get back to Michael, is you will see a Chinese scientist who, they understood the awesome potential of what they had pair of twins without and didn't seem to understand why it was an ethical or even biological problem. Michael, am I getting that story right? Yeah, absolutely. No, I mean, that's just a bizarre story. It's a different world over there. I mean, people underestimate their own peril. There's an entire, you know, so much money is being made in China by our own elites that there is just a massive incentive across all our institutions, you know, the big newspapers especially, who, you know, where does

the money for publications like the New York Times come from? It comes from our own billionaire class. And they're making a huge amount of money in their China. They're very, very heavily invested there. So they have a huge incentive to normalize China as this legitimate global partner. And so over decades, you know, all of China's human rights abuses are completely different. You know, ethical standards and everything became normalized and sort of whitewashed under this pretext of change through trade. And what happened is recently, under Xi Jinping, this fanatical communist dictator, China's experience of rapid backsliding of totalitarianism. So these billionaires, our own billionaires, our own billionaire class, they're trying to protect their investments, essentially, by saying,

no, no, no, China's not that bad. Still portraying them as sort of this normal global partner, even while everybody knows they can't keep it under wraps. I mean, this country has experienced a rapid backslide and political conditions have just deteriorated very rapidly. So that's why we're getting this warped narrative, especially since COVID began, where, you know, they're telling us that, oh, no, no, China really did eliminate this virus. Their policies really were effective. We're going to trust China and not put these policies, which is just this outright lie. When you look at China's data, it's just the worst forgery I've ever seen in my life. But that is, you know, the stakes there. They can't disagree. You know, Xi Jinping insists that

they have to pretend that this data is real. So they're walking a tightrope there. They can't disagree with Xi Jinping, but they also have to make this look normal and present it to the public here in the Western world. And that's why we've been living in this sort of false, bizarre reality ever since 2020. And we'll give a shout out to the book again if you those of you didn't see what kayla put up there it's the code breaker jennifer i'm sorry i don't pronounce it's dudna gene editing and the future of the human race and it's a great

book it's a lots of good science in there and at the end you realize that this chinese scientist does not understand the ethics of altering the genetic material of the mammalian species, the human in particular. And it's, it's breathtaking when you really see what's happening. Let's, do you have anything else you want to say, Kelly, before I go to the next caller? No, let's grab another caller. Okay. This is Moneypenny, it looks like. And I see many of you with the hands up. I'm trying to get to you. I apologize if we don't get to everybody.

Let's see if there's another name in there other than Moneypenny. Nick. Hmm. It's always hard to know what people's names are when reading their screen names. And see, she's having the problem that answers for Sean had had which she's not getting i wonder if hmm hmm you know what i'll do i'll bring another one up we're waiting for that bailey had been uh on hold for quite some time that sounds good i can hear the little ding when i hear yeah the ba Bailey one and money didn't get that. It's a bloop. Yeah, Bailey, unmute your mic and let's hear your question. Hello? Hey there.

Hey. Oh my gosh, I did not think I was going to get through. I'm unprepared, but here I am. Okay. Yeah, so I am just a regular person, not a blue check. I'm a Canadian nurse in BC and I was fired about a year ago because of the mandates. And I mean, I guess, do I have a question? I guess, so in BC, BC is basically the California of the US. I don't know how much you know about Canada or whatever, but. Canada looks all bad to us down here.

It really looks like. I can see that. Like, I always thought that we had a lot of rights and everything was going to be fine. And up until the day that I was fired, I said, there's no way. This is not going to happen. It can't happen. This isn't going to happen. And it happened. And I would say that I think probably your constitution has held up a lot better than our Charter of Rights as it stands now.

Right? And so in BC specifically, we now have something called Bill 36. I don't know if you know about that. It is basically sort of what you guys been talking about. California has the bill. I can't remember the number of it. Maybe 2098. Yeah, there you go. That's right. And it's basically the same thing. I mean, it's, it's what's been happening anyways, but now it's put into print. This is going to be what it is. And instead of, I mean, the ones

of us that have gotten fired, we're fired, but now it's like my, I still have a license because they can fire me, but I'm still a registered nurse. Right. But so now it's, it's to do with your license. Right. So if you say anything out of line, and I know you've talked a lot about this in terms of like standards of care, Like what are the standards of care? They change. Maybe they're not good now. Maybe we find out later. Right.

So that's what's concerning about that, that it will now be our license. Let me say one thing. And that is that nurses should not describe themselves as ordinary people, particularly registered nurses. You are extraordinary. Your status needs to be revered much more than you get in terms of people understanding the medical knowledge that nurses have. They need to understand that. They turn to all kinds of alternative practitioners before they go in RN. That's crazy to me. And the fact that you have to feel marginalized in any way is just disgusting to me, frankly. And so, you know, Kelly, physicians like Kelly and I, we couldn't survive without the Bailey's. So thank you.

I appreciate that. Thank you. But what I was going to say, I was going to say, Bailey, don't be fooled into thinking that we have not suffered this very much in the United States. many, many healthcare practitioners were outright fired for refusing to take the vaccines. And many chose to leave of their own volition because they didn't want the vaccines. In the US, we've had over 300,000 healthcare workers. Obviously not all of those are physicians. It's comprised of nurses, nurse practitioner, physician assistants, physical therapists, but over 300,000 people leave their specialty since the beginning of the pandemic, since the beginning of the vaccine mandates, I should say, as a result of these mandates. And many of them, the vast majority, will never return. And we're talking about a time when we have unprecedented, you know they want them with no penalty. So time will tell, but good for you for standing up for your own rights.

Yeah. And keep an eye out for Covaxin. That's a workaround. It's a good vaccine. It doesn't have, it's not, it's an old fashioned platform and it looks really good, frankly. And I, again, is Canada gonna get it? I know what's the delay is in this country, but that's another workaround is just get the Covaxin and be done with it. The problem with Covaxin- Bailey, is that it for you?

Go ahead. As you say, the problem with Covaxin, Drew, is that many places are saying it's not good enough just to have had the initial series. You have to have the most recent booster. And there is no booster for Covaxin. So you're stuck. No, there isn't. I hate to break it to you.

You are stuck getting an mRNA injection. You know, that's the problem. And I'm in a different place than I was two years ago. If that had been offered to me, I was said, I kept saying to my boss, like, well, when's Novavax? I was still breastfeeding at the time. And so for me to do that was, I wasn't going to do it. And I kept just trying to push it back as far as I could. And I just said, you know, at that point I might've considered it. I might've stopped breastfeeding early and I might've, or I might've done other things. But at that point, I might have considered it. I might have stopped breastfeeding early and I might have or I might have done other things. But at this point, I the risk benefit ratio for me, I'm like, I'm not I don't have any risks.

And as you said earlier, and I'm glad that you did. And I don't know why this is getting lost in translation, but every medication, therapeutic vaccine carries some risks, right? Nothing is safe and effective for everybody and i don't know why people that know better are still saying that whatever the risks are and they're different for everybody but for me they're they're the benefits for me getting this vaccine did not outweigh the risks and to be forced to do i also don't like to be bullied. And so for me, at this point, I'm not doing it at this point. Like, I'm just like, nope, the science is out. We can see it. Here it is. I'd love to go back to work. I would love to help my community. There's thousands of us. They're just. Don't don't keep reading. Keep thinking. You'll get back to it. Thanks, Bailey. I hope so. Thanks, you guys. Bye, Michael. We got to wrap things up here. Any last comments before we do? So I'm so glad you joined us with Kelly so she could hear some of your thoughts as well.

Thank you so much, Drew. No, I mean, the big takeaway, you know, just check out my book for more information. I mean, the big takeaway here, this story is just right there underneath the surface. And it's maddening because our own billionaire class is doing everything in their power to keep people from knowing about it, to keep out of the mainstream discourse. You know, they will not acknowledge any of these stories. They will not acknowledge my book. Instead, they will censor me to keep it out of that discourse for completely protectual reasons. They won't even engage with it. You know, that would be totally fine. It would be perfectly within their right to write just a scathing review that they hated everything about it. Oh, you know, poke some holes here and there. I missed that point and that point. That is a perfectly legitimate response if you just like a book. But that is not what's going on. This is a cover-up.

Everything that we've experienced over the last three years is a cover-up of the massive influence, the massive and deliberate influence that the Chinese Communist Party had on that initial response, especially the initial lockdowns, but all the policies, how they were initially implemented, and how extraordinarily catastrophic and futile all those policies were, and the massive damage that we're still dealing with today, both psychological, economic, mental, and physical. Well, Michael, thank you.

Kelly, last words? No, I really appreciate the conversation. Thanks for joining us again today, Michael. Interesting. I'm looking forward to actually reading your book as well. As I said, I've spent quite a bit of time in China, have a lot of experience with their healthcare system in particular. And I've said from the very beginning, there are two rules about dealing with or understanding the data coming out of China. And one is you cannot trust any data coming out of China.

And number two, there is no exception to rule number one. So look forward to reading your book. That's what we love about Kelly. Thank you so much. Apologize. Thank you, Michael. Apologize for people that I did not get to on their hands up. We will take more calls as we go along here.

We'll try to do it every show. And I'll be here tomorrow at 3 o'clock. Kelly will be back next Wednesday at 3 o'clock. 3 o'clock, Susan, is that correct? Next Wednesday? Yes. Yes. And that's a normal week coming up.

Am I getting that right? There's been a lot of moving around of shows coming up. No, you're right. Oh, we might. No, there might be a Monday show. There might be a Monday show instead of a Tuesday show next week. No, it's Monday. Next week it's, yeah, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. See, there might be a Monday show. There might be a Monday show instead of a Tuesday show next week. No, it's Monday. Next week, it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. See, that's the difference.

But Kelly will be here on Wednesday. And I'll be in here tomorrow with Vicki Mayle at 3 o'clock Pacific time. We'll see you then. Thanks, everybody. Thanks so much, Drew. Thank you, Susan. Bye. Cheers.

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