Ask Dr. Drew - Canada & California Creep Toward State-Sponsored Baby Euthanasia & MAiD For Depression w/ Viva Frei, Timothy Sandefur & Kira Davis – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 613

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

“Canada Is Killing Itself” says The Atlantic, in an explosive report on MAiD (Medical Assistance In Dying) practitioners in Canada – including Dr. Ellen Wiebe, who has reportedly “facilitated the deaths of more than 430 patients.” It’s getting worse: according to a new report, the Quebec College of Physicians has even raised the idea of extending current MAiD practices to cover individuals suffering purely from mental illnesses like depress, and to infants under one year old. But what happens in Canada doesn’t often stay with its borders: California is rapidly adopting draconian measures that mirror Canada’s radical program. Since it was made legal in 2016, MAiD has been responsible for over 76,000 deaths in Canada, now accounting for over five percent of all deaths in the country. David Freiheit, known as Viva Frei, is an attorney and political commentator. He hosts the Viva Frei Show on Rumble and Locals and cohosts Viva & Barnes Live with attorney Robert Barnes, focusing on constitutional law, civil liberties, and current events. Follow at https://x.com/TheVivaFrei Timothy Sandefur is the Vice President for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute’s Scharf-Norton Center for Constitutional Litigation and holds the Duncan Chair in Constitutional Government. He is the author of nine books, including “You Don’t Own Me: Individualism and the Culture of Liberty” (2025) and the upcoming “Proclaiming Liberty” (2026). He is an Adjunct Scholar with the Cato Institute. Follow at https://x.com/TimothySandefur Kira Davis is the host of the Just Kira Davis podcast and a conservative commentator. She writes and publishes commentary on culture and politics and appears across digital media platforms. She is cohosting today’s Ask Dr. Drew. Follow at https://x.com/kiradavis 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So much good material today, everybody. Get with it. Viva Fry comes back again, and we're going to talk a little bit about made and sounds benign enough. But medically assisted, medical assistance in dying. Canada is literally killing itself. I've got some questions for Viva about how I can survive going to Canada, which I'm doing next week. Timothy Sandifer, he is a vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute. And he has a new book about declaring liberty, the culture, liberty. and I'm very interested.

He's an adjunct scholar at the Kato Institute as well. Follow him on Timothy S-A-N-D-E-F-U-R. And then Kira Davis coming back around for us. Kira, of course, one of our favorites. And she's going to talk a bit about California and our health care system here and also what's going on in the race for governor. Trump recently endorsed Steve Hilton.

We'll talk about that right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a shit. Where the hell you think I learned that?

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it.

I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. As I said, Viva Fry and I are going steady these days. You can find Viva on X, the VivaFRI, F-R-E-I, and VivaFri-D-C-C-N-R-R-E-I-N-V-R-R-E-I-N-V-V-V-V-Wry. Viva, welcome back. Thanks for coming back on such a short notice. I've got a bunch of questions for you.

But first, let's talk about Canada killing itself. It seems, I mean, I'm, these days, I'm trying not to become hysterical about some of the things that are going on in the world. And the story, as it pertains to medically assisted suicide in Canada, sounds horrible. And I've talked to people to whom it was offered that have no business it being offered. And yet, is it really being wielded that irresponsibly? I mean, the answer is yes. It's worse than people's wildest nightmares go. I think it's now like the fifth leading cause of death in Canada.

And that's even operating on the official numbers, which, I mean, I mean, everybody understands are probably wildly underreported because it doesn't factor in, you know, like what you call like morphine deaths or when they just basically give people sedatives until they pass away at late stages of life. The issue is it's seen basically not a hockey stick quite increase since it was legalized back in 2016, but pretty damn close. I mean, at a certain point you reach a threshold where you can't make the gains that you make year over year as they've been making forever, but they're still making gains. The last reported numbers were 16,000 in change in 2024. And I assume it would be around 20,000, if properly counted for 2025. We'll see what those numbers are. But it's like something that's just going from bad to worse in terms of the legislative intent,

we're not yet there yet in results, in terms of expanding the scope of what they colloquially refer to as medical assistance and dying, which is a nice euphemism for euthanasia, which is a nice euphemism for what it really is, reported in a Forbes magazine article from a while back, basically echoing Nazi era eugenics, where you are now wanting to expand medical assistance and dying to not terminal illnesses, to mental illnesses,

people who legally would not be allowed to contract, now can contract. I thought it was already there. Isn't it already being offered to people with depression or recalcitrant depression, so called? Well, offered versus legislatively codified in terms of permitting it. My understanding is I don't believe that it's now been expanded to the mentally ill.

They want to allow that sunset provision to fade off into the sunset. It was an exclusion. And I think now it's been pushed back to 2027, I want to say offhand, but I'm not sure of the exact day because of the public pushback. But as a matter of fact, they are offering it and administering it for the mentally ill. I say the mentally ill, depression. there was a recent case of a guy who's a 26-year-old kid suffering from depression because he had diabetes, was blinded as a result of it, and he found a loophole to be killed by the state against his mother's wishes and unbeknownst to his mother. The lady that was in the Simon's clothing yet, I don't know if you remember that, where they made a three-minute tribute to her because Simon's retail clothing decided to explore euthanasia and support it.

I mean, basically, she was a woman that was effectively suffering from an illness, but not a terminal illness by any means, and wanted to live but couldn't get health care, so chose death care. They offer it to our mutual friend, Kayla Lepaulik, rendered a quadriplegic or paraplegic as a result of the Moderna booster. They offer it to veterans suffering from PTSD. And when the news breaks, they pretend it's anomaly when it's an actual, not a bug. It's a feature.

All the while, by the way, if you want to be. All the while, please. All the while. You want to get crazy conspiratorial. All the while, they start passing legislation into provinces, which are presumptive organ donations and where there's a debate as to whether or not death needs to be immediately foreseeable in order for the organ harvesting to begin. New Brunswick and I want to see Nova Scotia, but it might be another province.

So you're getting into this realm of socialized health care where they've discovered it's cheaper to kill you. to treat you, and you might actually be able to save additional body by harvesting the organs after they've killed you because they can no longer treat you. So I'm going to Canada in a couple of days. How do I make sure I get back with all my organs? In other words, you would want... Jokes aside, stay the hell out of the ERs to the extent you can. And if you need some sort of medical care, depending on where you are,

cross over into Burlington and get it in America, because I presume. you have health insurance. No, it's, people don't understand just how bad it is in certain areas. Other areas, depending on where the hospitals are, it's better. But they have online portals where you can see what the wait time is in ERs. Nova Scotia came off a record year of people dying in ERs. And so the solution to an incapacitated, overwhelmed health care system is to offer death care so that you can free up some beds and save some money for the system

and maybe harvest a few organs here and there when you're doing it. but it's really easy to point at medically assisted suicide or whatever the euphemism of the day is and go, oh, that's horrific. And I understand that. If people have a religious moral sort of argument against it, I understand that argument. But I also, as a clinician, I see people suffer horribly and needlessly with severe, severe, severe terminal illness. And there's kind of been a kind of a gray zone where we know somebody's going to die within, two to six weeks, but no one ever tells the family when that's coming and they want to fight, fight, fight. And that's another zone where this might be helpful in preventing suffering and

let people to have grieving. These things would have to be applied with extreme caution, right? Because as you're pointing out, the opportunity for it to run amok is extraordinary, where you're actually murdering people. So is it just shitty lawmaking? Is it something about the culture in Canada? Is it really economics? Is it all the above? Why can't they do this if they want to? I mean, it goes okay in Oregon. I mean, it may not be great.

There may be issues, but not like this. Why in Canada can't they get their shit together? Well, it is. By the way, by the way, I may get stopped at the border. I may get stopped at the border just for this. Because, because by the way, because by the way, I'm feeling out of work permit. You know, everybody thinks the southern border of the United States such a big deal. I dare you to get a work permit and try to go to Canada.

It's a one hour shakedown and hours and hours of paperwork. And to get in the country to do stuff, it's crazy. But go ahead. Am I going to get stopped at the border? No, you'll be fine, Dr. G. You've got name recognition and it'll be an incidental scandal of hilarious proportions if something does happen. No, it's a death cult to some extent. You know, like it's, I have zero.

Wait a minute. I don't believe it. I'm pushing back because it's so hard for you to accept that. And that means that somebody in the legislature wants people dead because they want to save money and they are draconian and have no other concerns. Dr. Drew, you pull up the article from CBC News, which is state-funded media, talking about the financial benefits of medical assistance and dying. They actually had the balls to say as though it was rocket science,

not only will it not cost the health care system money, it will save the health care system money. And then you go to the other rag, which I think was the national post at the time, putting out a survey to the effect that two-thirds of all Canadians support the idea of medical assistance and dying for the homeless. So what they do is they sensitize you to the horrors under the cloak of benevolence or cost savings. And I say it's a death cult. They don't frame it as a death cult.

They frame it as a choice cult. And you have that doctor death, her name is I forget her name, who tried in all the people that she's killed because she's liberated them from their misery. That's how they frame it in their own minds. The reality is my father-in-law passed away from cancer, and by the grace of God, he didn't suffer for very long. He went into a hospital and died within 48 hours. I know people who suffer from terminal illness,

and you don't want to see someone with pancreatic cancer, with no hope for the future. And you have to sit there and suffer because I don't believe. No. But when we've gone from that, and you could look up all these cases, they killed a woman who had multiple chemical sensitivity because they couldn't find her appropriate housing

to satisfy her allergy. And so she opted for death. They killed the 26-year-old kid who was diabetic and blind and it was depression. They killed, I forget her name now, it was from the Simon's ad. They offer it to veterans

and at some point, you know, the bug becomes the feature. And they say, oh, no, it's not what we want to do. Oh, we're doing it. And we're doing it for your own good because we want to empower people with the choice to die with dignity when they want, even if they're not dying.

It is the end result of, socialized health care to the point where they can't sustain it on its own. They know it. And so it just becomes cheaper to kill than to treat. And then you want to get into great. It's been a bunch of other stuff. You can go there. But the dark side of the organ harvesting, and once you create a market and a demand for that, it feeds itself. Yeah, we've looked into the dark side of that on this show before. It's worse than I could ever possibly imagine. But I want to ask kind of a different question. And you've made your case.

I get it. But why does this all, stuff like this always happen in Canada? What's wrong with Canadians or what's wrong with the Canadian system? What's wrong with the Canadian? I can imagine this happening in France, too. I must tell you. But even there, they'd have a very vocal,

they'd have a very, very vocal sort of minority, or at least, I don't know who's the majority of the minority there anymore. But they'd have a vocal contingent that would go, excuse me, that's not okay. I'm not hearing that from Canada, except you. Well, you're hearing Kelsey Sheeran. I don't know if you've ever had her on the channel. She's a veteran who was offered maids because of her PTSD from service.

She's the most vocal person in Canada about it. It is weird. I say Canada's not unique. Canada just seems to be the extension of Europe. Belgium, I'm fairly certain. I think it's Belgium. I don't want to make a mistake. Or the Netherlands actually tops Canada or competes with Canada in terms of medical assistance and dying.

But it is all in the framing where you want to impact. people with the autonomy to make the you know their own decisions including those to take their own lives because the system is so decrepit oh another one by the way vaccine injury they actually unless i'm mistaken administered maids to a vaccine injured individual so it is it is um it's cultural in the sense that liberals want to make it look like they're doing it all for your own good out of benevolence when in reality it's for control and it's to conceal the you know the of their own governance and the easiest way to do that is to literally end them. And so you've got a failing healthcare system. You've got, I see, it contributes to it. It's not the reason why this may.

It's mass immigration, mass migration to Canada where the system cannot, you know, it cannot exist on its own four legs right now. And so you have to have these drastic measures, which they have to cloak in benevolence. I mean, that's, it's basically what you got. It's just the cover up of a failed system. Yeah, who was I, we're reading something recently about the number of people dying, waiting for simple surgeries and things. It's pretty extraordinary. And it's sort of predictable in a system like that, right? It's always been like that. Back before Canada even had adequate infrastructure with CT and MRI, they would send them all across the border to us to do the procedures and then go, look, we have all this great result. You know, we were able to handle this, no problem. They couldn't

afford the actual infrastructure. And so there's just, there's so many problems with it, but is there anyone willing to put a two-tiered system in place or something like that? Well, I mean, I think the conservatives, a so-called conservatives might have floated it, but I didn't hear any of that discussion when Pierre Paulyev appeared on Joe Rogan. I heard more discussion about MMA and UFC and Brazilian jiu-jitsu than I heard about, you know, substantial and substantive political issues in Canada. Look, I say the ultimate shame is when it hits the public eye. And you're dealing with a country like Canada, which is roughly the same population as California. And for some reason, this issue in California is a third

of what it is in Canada. So it's something cultural, it's something inherent, something systemic. You heard this. It was another horror story of an Indian family that moved to Canada, you know, for a new and better life. And then the woman gives birth and dies from sepsis because undiagnosed understaffed hospitals, overrun hospitals. Of course. And nobody wants to contemplate the solution, which might be something of a more mixed. It's sort of mixed down in terms of private public. And then not to be just doom and Google about Canada.

The flip side is American health care is good if you can afford it, but it's expensive and most people can't afford it. And I know that from paying for my own health insurance. Nobody doesn't get health care in the United States. If they need it, they get it. That's the thing. You may not get it. It may be cumbersome.

You have to wait a while. but there was something else shoot I lost my train of thought about oh well it'll come back to the way the dying in the ERs is and the dying waiting for doctors that's another thing that people think

the dramatic dying in the ERs and I think in Nova Scotia small province like 500 people waiting for doctors it's the big thing waiting for doctors I know what I was going to say let me say what I was going to say is that I was sort of pushing on you about the culture in Canada and look

I'm going to talk to my next guest about maybe even the excesses of liberty. Liberty can have some excesses too, I'm sure of it. But there are certainly and quickly excesses in the warm embrace of collectivism. And one of the excesses immediately is the individual's disposable. Right? If the individual is causing a burden to the collective, well, then that's got to go. And that's the way it's always been. in the warm embrace of collectivism. Has it not? It's even darker than that. A. En Rand is the one who said there is no more greater minority than the individual. And if you do not support individual rights, you cannot be said to support minority rights. It's not just that.

You know, sacrificing the weak link for the greater good. Imagine what can happen if you can harvest from that individual to benefit seven people, eight people, nine people. This is where the organ harvesting is not just a question of talking people into death for potential side benefits. It's the embodiment of for the greater good. We'll just have to kill one person here and there

who might have otherwise been treatable, but we can treat for the greater good with, you know, get their eyes, get their, whatever organs are over. Or we have to move them off the farms into the cities and maybe $6 million will die. I don't know, whatever. It'll get it done, nonetheless.

Which is how many died with Mao's collective approach? Was it 4 million, 6 million? Who even knows? when it came to Russia and any centralized authority. Germany, Russia, China, you name it, Vietnam, Cambodia.

I mean, come on. When we look back and you say, how could tens of millions of people have star to death under, you know, under God, you see how it happens. When you enact policy

that kills people on a large scale. I don't want to get too controversial because I'm not sure which platforms you're on, but when you talk about mass administration... I just need to be able to go I just need to be able to get through the border on Thursday. That's all.

I don't want you to screw me up too badly. Well, then, I had jokes that I'll text you afterwards. No, the, but it's like when you talk about things at a mass scale, it's when you adopt a policy that you apply blanket-like to an entire population, that's when things happen at scale. And you get into the, I think it was Stalin. You know, like the death of an individual is a tragedy. The death of a million people is a statistic.

You get into statistics because the numbers are too large. mass mandate an experimental new technology, and you're no longer dealing with one tragedy here and there. You're talking about statistics now that'll be studied later, but the government does it at a surprisingly efficient rate. I can't think of a situation where there's been a collective centralized authority that's not run amok in some horrible way. And we've forgotten the history of Southeast Asia. I mean, why, you know, it's so horrible. We won't even look at it. The Camero Rouge, I mean, that was our latest version of this, wasn't it? I mean, most recent, perhaps.

And these things always end up with people being sacrificed for the, you know, or families being sacrifices or businesses being sacrificed, whatever it is, or the collective. It has to be sacrificed. And God help you if you're in the crosshairs. The medical assistance in dying in Canada is shocking. It was when my brother first told me that 13,000 people were euthanized, And I think it was in 2022, I want to say.

I was like, that's impossible. It's impossible. And then you look into it. It's so much worse than you can possibly imagine. But it's the end result of government incompetence. And then the government's attempt to mitigate the consequences of their own incompetence. But yeah, it's, that's not even, I say that's among the worst stuff that's coming out of Canada. But, you know, the fallout from COVID and the courts protecting their own coming out of Canada is, or at least protecting the government.

It is also pretty bad not to get you. too despaired, Dr. Drew. Well, where shall people find you, my friend? I've got to keep moving here today. Where do you want them to go? What is today? Monday, so we missed your show yesterday, right? How was it?

It's good. Well, look, we're taking some flack collectively because Barnes is somewhat critical of the administration and is saying things about the administration that some people don't like. And whether or not he's right or wrong, I still think everybody needs to, you know, stick in their skin a little bit and get used to hearing things about. they don't like, even if they're wrong, but especially if they're right, you've got to get there. But we had a good show last night. Every Sunday, across all platforms, Viva and Barnes, it's on YouTube Rumble.

But daily, 3 o'clock on Rumble is the place to find us, or at least me, and the Viva Fry. If you put in Viva Fry, you'll get a ton of search results, and some of them are hilarious. And we always really appreciate when you come by and help us shine a little light, particularly as it pertains to our neighbors next door. in your homeland and a homeland that I will be visiting shortly, and I'll be happy to give you a report. But particularly, I'm so fast, I've gone up there once before and did some work and had the experience of sitting in front of a celi-eyed immigration officer for 45 minutes

while he shook me down, even though all the paperwork was just right there in front of him. And it was, you know, sort of just so. When was the last time you were there and where are you going? Well, I'm going to Toronto. And the last time I was there was about 15 years ago. It was during the big blackout. Remember that big blackout in the east? What was the name of the movie you did?

New York Minute. And I was shocked. I was with three or four other people who were in the same production. And we sat there with all of our paperwork, just taking in a room and shaking down for a while and yelled at. And then when I started hearing about, you know, people wanting to build bridges and not borders. And so the Canadian border was wide open.

Are you kidding? Amy, go up there and try to work sometime. Good luck. It's really something. Hey, Viva, somebody named Hyphen on our Rumble said he made your clock. Yeah, hyphen is in Toronto, actually. The clock, I don't, yeah, right there, that clock. But, and hyphen's a great member of our community. But Drew, I'm calling it now. You are going to be floored when you land in Toronto. Are you, you, you're flying by plane? Yeah, why? Why am I going to be floored? It is a different country, and it's a different city and you are going to be flabbergasted, especially by what you see at the airport.

I would just document your reaction in real time. Just get prepared. Culture shock, you're going to be floored as to what Toronto has become. Really? Now I want to go. But yeah, I know. But it was, I went to British Columbia last, about a year and a half ago. And that was lovely. And I reported about the Victorians. I think I told you about it. They're so nice until you scratch under the surface. And then there's this seething rage that flies at you. I thought that was interesting. It was also very...

What's in Toronto? Now I'm curious. Well, let me tell you about it. It's been a cultural demographic shift beyond anything you've ever seen. Vancouver was always sort of Vancouver was always unique and everyone knew it had a lot of Chinese influence going back to the 90s.

You're going to feel like you've entered a different country. I went to Toronto relatively recently and I was flabbergasted and then I'm talking with the Uber driver, which was a taxi driver. And he's like, he was an Indian man. He's like, it's a demographic shift like you've never seen. Traffic, crime.

It's a different city than it was five, ten years ago. And if you haven't been there in 15 years, just, you know, keep you react. You know, I was there. I was there during the big blackout and SARS won. Because I went running, I remember, in Toronto. It was beautiful. And I went through Chinatown and everyone admonished me afterwards because that was where SARS-1 was sort of breaking out.

But you said something very unusual just now. You said Toronto. Aren't people from Toronto? Don't they say Toronto? No, I don't know. I've been told I say a few things. I say Montreal and apparently it's Montreal. I say things one way or the other, but I say Project,

which apparently in America is the Canadian way of saying Project. I don't know. And then I say pasta or pasta. I don't know what I say. I change it up. No, but record your reactions and get ready. It's a different country. And be careful, right?

Done and done. Does you need to be careful? Well, if you listen to the York police and leave the keys to your car at the front door because the criminals, they are armed, they have real guns, and they don't want to hurt you. They just want your stuff. So just gave it to them. Thank you, Bewood.

Thank you for the morning. I'll bring my report back. And hopefully I'll have my kidneys. I'll see when I return. Take care. Have a good one. He's not doing an appearance there. He's actually working there.

Somebody else where you were appearing. I think it was hyphen. No, yeah, no, no. Hyphen. I would love to meet you, by the way, but it's sort of lock. I'm locked down pretty hard for this thing. Yeah. All right.

Timothy. Caleb, I don't want to mispronounce his name, and I forgot to ask him how he pronounced. Is it Sanderfuer? Sandifior? You know? I believe so, but I'm sure he'll say it right when he comes on air. He'll let us know.

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Thanks so much for having me on, Dr. Drew. Please pronounce your last name for me, so I like to have... Sandifer. do so I don't screw it. Just Sandofer, yeah. So, yeah. So I know if you overheard the discussion I was just having with Viva Fry. But I was saying, I'm going to frame this conversation this way.

By the way, I can't wait to read your book. I'm reading Jonathan Turley's latest book. For some reason, the founding fathers have never been more sort of meaningful, I think. And at the time in which they're being assailed, I find them more and more informative and clairvoyant than ever. Let me start, though, with a little pushback, which is I was talking about the logic of collectivism and how medically assisted suicide. If you become a burden on the health care system, well, you need to just your burden to the collective. So we need to kind of get rid of you.

And it makes logical sense in terms of the limits of collectivism and the evil that can befall the individual. Are there similar limits or have you thought about the limits of liberty? Because I remember, let me just frame it, a quick story. I remember in the 90s, I was talking to a psychiatrist friend of mine, and she was from Hungary, and she leaned in and she goes, I think you guys have played too much with liberty. I think freedom has its limits. And I just always remember that. And I thought, she sees it differently.

She came from a communist system, and she was grateful for the liberty. But she saw it differently. Are there liabilities in liberty? Well, there's liabilities to everything that humans do. believe in, and there's always downsides to every blessing. But in the sense that the question is posed, I would say no. I think that the individual, the principle of individualism, that the individual owns himself or herself is the source, in my opinion,

of everything great that the human species has accomplished. Now, the argument is typically, well, yeah, but what if people hurt each other or don't care enough about each other and so forth? And of course, that's obviously a legitimate concern. a healthy individual maximizes his or her happiness by caring about other people. I mean, you have your family and your friends and your wife and your kids and things. And, of course, you care about them precisely because of the great value that that brings to the individual life. So I see that argument as kind of a straw man.

But I do see one potential risk. And that was something that I think the founding fathers, to go back to what you mentioned earlier, one of the things they were concerned about was if I'm, you know, an individual, farmer in the 18th century and I've got my my little plot of land and I'm caring for myself, providing for my family and everything, why should I care about the freedoms of my neighbor? And I think that is a legitimate philosophical criticism of political individualism. And that's something that the answer to that has been provided historically by sort of the mythology and the things that we hold dear, the whole pageantry and tradition of,

of patriotism and things. That's why that exists, is to kind of fill that gap and make it so that we do care about protecting the freedoms of other people instead of just only caring about it when my own personal freedom is threatened. You see what I mean? I do. And to take it back to my friend, the psychiatrist,

I think what she was talking about was the fact that our freedoms were constructed around freedom from encumbrances. from the government, right? And not freedom to do literally whatever we wanted. You know, to me, that's kind of the limits I think she was talking about. And yeah, there needs to be social limits on things and laws that limit that. But back to your point about right to your individual, the corollary that people start to argue about is the right to property, which is an extension of body.

Is it not in terms of how the law kind of protects it? So talk to us about that. Yeah. So the right to property is sort of, I like to say that the right to property is in a sense the past tense of your freedom, right? So the future tense of your freedom is your right to liberty. When we say life, liberty and property, right? Life is your right to freedom right now. Liberty is your right to act in the future.

And property is your right to the things you've acquired in the past. And the reason property is so essential is because how else are we supposed to interact with the world? A great example of this comes immediately to mind is my glasses, right? These are just objects, they're inanimate objects, and yet I absolutely need them, because I'm blind as a bat without my glasses. I can't accomplish anything that I would want to accomplish without my glasses. And so it's actually rather precise to say that they are a part of me in an essential sense. And so to take my glasses away from me would be to take away an essential part of myself,

and obviously of my freedom and so forth. So that's what the idea of property relates to, is it's how we interact with the world. It's not just inanimate objects. It's respecting the individual's autonomy. It's funny to me. I was smiling a little bit because although he wasn't talking about freedom, Heidegger comes close to making that argument

about ready to hand, present at hand, being in the world, and the proximity of things that are part of us. He has a whole argument about. But let's, let's, I want to go back to the property issue again. What do we say to people who, and then I'm going to let you expound more on Adams and Jefferson just second because I'm fascinated by all that. But I have all these sorts of things flying around in my head. I appreciate you sort of indulging me here.

One of the more modern, for lack of a better way of saying, recent criticisms is, oh, this is a Lockheon. system. This is an old 17th century, 18th century system of old white men. This is irrelevant in the present world. What do you say to these people? Well, what was great about Locke and the other classical liberals, Jefferson and Adams and so forth, was precisely that for one of the first times in the history of humanity, you had a group of thinkers who were seeking out answers that were true for all people and all times. That's, of course, a paraphrase of Abraham Lincoln when he was talking about the Declaration of Independence. What's great about the Declaration is that it articulates a timeless

truth that is true for everybody always. And that's why the American founding fathers were the first to create the idea that slavery should be abolished for moral reasons. No civilization in history had ever put significant resources into the idea that slavery should be abolished because it was wrong. And it was in 1775 in Philadelphia that the very first, anti-slavery organization in the world was founded. And it's no coincidence that it was founded at the same time and in the same place that Americans were fighting for their freedom. Now, you know, the criticism is always, well, the founding fathers, they left slavery in place and they didn't abolish it and that proves they were racists, which is nonsense. In fact, the opposite is true.

What's really amazing about the American founding fathers was how frank, how candid they were about the fact that slavery was contrary to their principles. Everyone from Southerners like Jefferson and Patrick Henry to the northerners like Franklin and John Adams said outright that slavery was totally incompatible with the principles of liberty that they were fighting for. For practical reasons, they believed it was impossible to abolish it at the time. And obviously that was put off for more than a generation, which is tragic. But it does not disprove that the Founding Fathers understood and believed in the evils of slavery and so forth. So to try and divide freedom, you know, modern libertarianism, or what was back then what was called liberalism, in terms of color and place and say, well, that's just something they believed. But, you know, we're all different today and different races have different views and things is not just pluralism.

That's actually contrary to the principles on which the Declaration have founded, which is all men are created equal. It's such a terrible and interesting history at the same time. You know, the Cooper Union address that some people believe Lincoln was ascended to the presidency because that an address was about whether or not this government had the right to exclude slavery in the territories. Right. And Stephen Douglas said, no, no, no, they have no such right. And Lincoln was able to lay out this historical argument. Not only do they have such right, they actually did it in the Northwest territories. They excluded slavery in the Northwest territories.

and the only people who voted against it were in absentia, and the people in absentia happened to be some of the greatest abolitionist of the era. So to assume that they would not have gone along with it is just insane. But it is odd to me that it kind of went, no, tragic, as you said, that it went so much underground that even Lincoln making that argument himself took a while to get back to slavery is wrong. When he was in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, it wasn't until the later debates that he started realizing

that they were having this pragmatic argument and he went, no, wait a minute, the difference between us is that I think it's a wrong and Stephen Douglas just thinks it's something up for vote. Right. That's exactly right. The moral relativism that lay at the heart of what Stephen Douglas was arguing for that he didn't, this is a quote,

I don't care whether slavery is voted up or voted down, right? And as Lincoln said, all thinking people care about this, right? But Douglas had to deny that he cared because he took exactly the view you were talking about before. Douglas took the view that something can be true here but not there or a moral right over here but not a moral right over there. And that was contrary to the views of the American Founding Father. So to that point, the argument has been resurrected strangely again today. The notion that natural law is, as my friend Hadley Arcus says, is mere natural law.

The natural law is just an old Again, it's an old-fashioned idea again, and there's no such thing as rights granted from anyone other than a government. Talk to me about that. I love it how people think that that's a modern, cutting-edge, sophisticated

way of thinking about things, when in fact that is primitive. That's a throwback to the pre-revolutionary notion that all rights belong to the government, and it can hand out those freedoms to whomever it pleases. That's a medieval notion. That's an ancient superstitious conception.

I like actually, whenever I think about this, it always reminds me of that passage in Alice in Wonderland. When Alice is lost and she says to the queen, she says, I've lost my way. And the queen says, your way, all of the ways around here belong to me, right? That's how these people think about individual rights. They think that all the rights belong to the government. So the right answer to that. And this goes back to what you were talking about with your previous guest. John Locke has a wonderful line in one of his books about this, where he says,

says, if that's true, can kings eat their subjects? Is cannibalism okay by the, cannibalism by the government? And what you were saying with your previous guest, socialism is cannibalism. I mean, that's simply, they're the equivalent to that socialism is the idea that if you don't have enough food to eat, you should eat your neighbor. And what's wrong with that? If you think that rights are handed out by the government, then the government can just decide that one person should serve as food for another. This is. slightly an exaggeration, but literally speaking, that is precisely what socialism says.

Whereas the conception of the declaration is that we all own ourselves, precisely because we can't escape the fact that we own ourselves. You mentioned Heidegger, the great existentialist philosophers used to have this slogan, we are condemned to be free. Well, there's nothing awful about it.

It's not a condemnation, it's a great thing, but it is true that freedom is inescapable. You can't avoid the fact that you own yourself you're responsible for yourself and you suffer if you make the wrong decisions and you benefit if you make the right decisions. And that's inalienable. You can't give that away. That's what inalienable means. And if you're responsible to yourself for yourself and responsible to other people for your actions, then you must also be free to make choices because you can't have responsibility without freedom. If it's my responsibility to do my homework, then you have to leave me alone

to do my homework, right? It's a very simple principle. It's basically just the golden rule. Yeah, right. And that has always, Lincoln's words are in my head today for some reason, but that has always tended to produce potentially the better angels of our nature. But how do we bring forth the new birth of freedom again back to Lincoln? How is that, how to make it understandable cool? How do you get people sort of back enthusiastic about it again? Well, Dr. Drew, the first thing to do is read my book. But after that, really the rebirth of the culture of American liberty has to start at home in the hearts of every person.

You quoted Lincoln. Well, you know, every heart is connected. Every heart and heartstone is connected through the electric cords of memory, as Lincoln said. And what he meant by that was when we reflect on the glorious past of America, we have every reason to be proud of what this nation has accomplished and then to inquire as to why it accomplished those things. And the answer is because unlike other nations in the world, America was committed to the individual and to the right of the individual to pursue his or her own happiness in peace and freedom and in cooperation with neighbors, as opposed to being forced to serve the state, to serve the collective, to serve others, and to be the sacrificial animal for the socialist cannibalist feast. I want to sort of bring it back to your book. It's primarily about Adams and Jefferson, correct? Yeah, it's kind of a narrative history with the two of them and their friendship. And then I discussed the philosophical and legal issues that led to the American Revolution.

And they were, I don't want to say at odds, you know, I mean, what was Adam's final words and yet Jefferson lives? On the same day they both died on July 4th. But what was their difference? And yet, and Adams, whatever that difference was, maybe. maybe just because he was just a difficult guy, but his stature didn't maintain the level that Jefferson seemed to have. That's true. And I myself am a Jefferson fan,

but I must say that my admiration for Adams increased immensely while I was writing the book because I learned so much from doing that and learned so much about his bravery and intelligence. Their differences really came after the revolution. It really started with the French Revolution because Jefferson had this belief. I mean, let's start with Adams. Adams had this belief that culture was a very important foundation for politics. And so he thought that the American Revolution only succeeded because the Americans had a century and a half of history behind them of living independently and Britain leaving them alone. And things like Protestantism and capitalism that all were going on in the colonies already, Adams thought those things were crucial to the idea of liberty. whereas with the French, they were trying to transform themselves overnight without that cultural stew going on.

And Jefferson, he thought, well, you can reform the culture. You can go into the culture and change the culture, and then you can free people. And Adams did not agree with that. And actually, you know, Adams was one of these guys who liked to write in the margins of his books like I do. Jefferson never did this, well, rarely did it. But Adams would write in the margins of his books. And there's very amusing. He had a book on the history of the French Revolution where he writes in the margins,

something like how anybody could have believed that millions of Frenchmen who had known nothing but tyranny under absolute monarchy for century after century could overnight just wake up and become believers in individual liberty is crazy, right? But Jefferson thought that it was possible. And that plus the politics of the 1800 political campaign, those things kind of wrecked their friendship for a time. And Jefferson, one of the strangest things about Jefferson to me was this, some of the states. he made about the flexibility of the Constitution and revolutions bring necessary and blood washing over, you know, whatever that one famous quote that blood was needed to cleanse things every so often. That was so strange to me. Well, you know, Jefferson believed, here's a good quote. Jefferson said the spirit of resistance to government is so valuable that I wish it to always be kept alive. And I think that's what animated statements like that. Jefferson was a believer very firmly in the idea that the earth belongs to the living generation, and we shouldn't just do things this way because that's always been done in the past,

and we should be willing to overthrow old institutions if they're unjust. And that made him very radical in some respects, although we should mention that Adams was equally radical in many respects also. So it wasn't just Jefferson. But, you know, he also, you know, he was a writer, and writers tend to say things. Actually, my very favorite quote ever said about Thomas Jefferson was said by his best friend James Madison, who said after Jefferson died, Madison said, excuses must be made for a certain habit in Mr. Jefferson, as in others of great genius, of expressing in round terms the impressions of the moment. Interesting. And I always admire with Adams, too, the fact that he essentially sat down and wrote the Massachusetts Constitution for the state.

I just sat and wrote it. I was like, wow. They were amazing then. They were amazing then. Oh, I know. Somebody once said that in the 1800 presidential election, you had a choice between the president of the American Philosophical Society and the president of the American Association for the arts and sciences.

We'll never have that again. Oh, clearly not. Well, listen, I look forward to reading the book. That kind of, that material is very much on my mind these days as we go through these sort of odd can cantonations what we call them like movements the things are things are the plates are moving right now and it gets scary and i just i you know i hate to see the baby out with the bathroom there's so much good so much good to be to be gleaned from these geniuses that that i still it's such a such an extraordinary moment of history that these geniuses got together and did these things it's just so uncanny so uh

appreciate you writing about them and did i did we get into everything in terms of the book and what you're doing these days. Did I, any place else you want people to go for you? We only scratched the surface. But if you want to learn more about what the Goldwater Institute does and my work and that of my colleagues, go to goldwater institute.org or you can find us on Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest. Great. Thank you for being here.

Appreciate much, Timothy. Thank you. Hope see you again soon. I look forward to that book. All right. That's interesting. Let me see how much I got into the stuff. I didn't get to Edmund Burke and Frederick Douglass.

I guess I'm going to read the book for that. I just get preoccupied with what I'm hearing about. Let me quickly get to your comments here in the restreams. Let's see. They were all Freemasons. Yeah, but Freemason back then was a very different kind of thing. Napoleon destroyed Europe, according to Heifen. That's a Canadian point of view, I suppose.

France pretty well did a job to itself, but, you know, before Napoleon came in. All right, I'm not seeing anything in the rants. Okay, let's take a little break and we'll bring our friend, Tira Davis, back in here. We're going to get a little update on what is going on amongst other things here in California with poor Nick Shirley, Nick Shirley, who is trying to confront fraud and now literally the Attorney General's wife, who is a assembly member in the state assembly is trying to put it together law

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And Kira will be sitting in for you while I make my trudge into the great northern country to our north. Kira, welcome back. You're going up to Canada, Dr. Drew. Good luck. I am. I want to see if I want to see, I want to see if I can get up there and come back with my kidneys. That's what I was talking to Viva about.

So apparently with the medically assisted suicide, they're motivated to harvest organs too. So I thought, well, I'm going to go challenge that system a little bit. Special forces, Drew. Yeah. I felt, maybe I felt safe for enjoyment. Jordan when I was there. Good luck. Let's build the wall up there, everybody. Let's build that wall. Well, I was saying, when you go up there with a work permit, they shake you down.

It's not the great open border to Canada. It's a whole thing. But let's talk about California, speaking about challenges. What do you know about the wife of our attorney general and this law that she's trying to put in place and the question she wouldn't answer about it when people merely tried to get her to explain herself, which I found just extraordinary. I mean, politicians now don't even have to address the public. That's where we are now? Well, that's where we are in California. Absolutely.

And as a matter of fact, Dr. Drew, you may have heard and some of your viewers may have heard about this never-ending extension that's going on at the Sacramento Capitol. It's been this extension that's now crossing, you know, $20 billion, something like that. It's not done. It's been going on for 10 years. And nobody knows what it is and you can't get any information about it. A lot of people are saying that the extension is made to give a secret passage to our politicians so they don't have to encounter any journalists on the way in.

So let's talk about this AB 2634. otherwise known as a Nick Shirley bill, it is exactly what you think it is. It is meant to dampen independent investigative journalistic efforts as, you know, started by Nick Shirley here. But particularly, and this is where it gets interesting and everyone needs to pay attention to this,

particularly when it is concerned with immigration services, it's actually listed in that bill. It is, the ideas that state will not be able to give addresses or names of participants in any programs that are related to immigration services at all. And I'll tell you what Dr. Do that covers about everything. So it's a sneaky little way. But, okay, Mia Bonta. Okay, here's what I need you guys to know.

This is a little bit of, you know, we got to get our string out and we pull it to the tax, you know, like we're solving this mystery. Her husband is Rob Banta. Rob Banta is the current California Attorney General. Drew, I know that you have had Michael Gates on the show. I've interviewed Michael Gates on this show before he's running for Attorney General as a Republican. Bonta has been busy suing parents across the state who have the audacity to ask for information about their kids in school. And they want to know about gender transitions in school and things like that.

Banta has been suing parents up and down the state. Even after the Marabella decision, he is defying the Supreme Court and still suing parents. So that's the kind of guy he is. He's also anti-ice and has been leading the charge against ice in the state. Now, his wife is Mia Banta. Mia Banta is an assemblywoman in Sacramento, and she has introduced the hashtag Nick Shirley bill to make sure that no one can report on the ongoing fraud in California.

Now, Mia Banta is an assemblywoman ostensibly representing constituents in her district. Rob Bonta is the Attorney General ostensibly representing the people of California and suing on behalf of the people of California when things go wrong. The two of them are working in tandem to negate the free press in California and to suppress information. The Attorney General's wife is in the assembly and she introduced this bill to suppress free press in California. It's almost absurd is the word I keep using, but it's so absurdly illegal. And you expressed it, Drew, as you were introducing this. You know, it just seems unthinkable that this could happen and it's not a conflict of interest at all.

But yes, the attorney general and his assemblywoman wife are the ones creating a new law that would make it impossible to report on the ongoings in Sacramento and California. You know, you know what makes me. shudder is I hear little noise. James Carville said something like this a couple days ago, which is essentially that California is the model. We have to do what they did in California to make it so that our side is never dislodged again and has full authority over things. And I don't understand why people can't see how awful that is and how how, how, how California is getting destroyed by that very phenomenon.

Well, I think there's an entire segment of our population that is just mired in Trump's arrangement syndrome. So whatever it is, it's going to be the hashtag resistance to Trump. They're going to take that tack and not really think. I mean, we've seen it, Drew, right? Like, people have stopped thinking. A lot of people have stopped thinking. But you're absolutely right.

That is a very dark and frightening prediction. and Carville isn't the only one. Actually, every Democrat has been saying it since they lost in 24. And it goes to show that they know they can't win on their ideas. They know their ideas don't win. They're not, what we were doing before, Drew, when we were doing this, well, you know, I disagree, but, you know, we can come to the table and some of the Democrats were like that, right? Like, I still see, you know, I'm still friends with people on that side.

And we just got to hold both sides to task. That was a lie. That was a lie that was a comfortable lie that they could make when we were living in the lie. But now we're not living in the lie. We're living in way more truthful times. And the truth is we've been taken for a ride. Not much is real. Not much of what we thought is real. And people are angry. And Democrats especially are angry because they have lost control of the system. And that's why not only is this an exciting time, but here in California, and I think across, It's a dangerous time. People need to be taking these midterms very, very seriously. The midterms will not just be a referendum on whether or not you like Trump's Iran policy. It will be a referendum on whether or not you intend to give this country back over to Democrats who have already stated that their main goal is to punish you and to never stop punishing you. We can't let them win again for the next 10 years because they got to go in the corner

and learn how to behave. It's frightening. You use the word. It's frightening. You're right. So tell me, I know it's in my head, but I want to know what's in yours when you talk about having been taken for a ride and now living in reality. What is coming to mind for you when you make those kinds of statements?

You know what I think about? I think about when Elon came in with Doge and we did it. We had a lot of great interviews with him. One of the first interviews he did on Fox News. the interviewer asked him, what do you think will be the thing that will most surprise Americans about this Doge thing, about what you uncover it? And he said, I think most Americans will be surprised to find out they've been living in the Truman Show. And I took note of that. It sat like a red flag in my mind. It's never gone away. And I don't think we fully pulled the lid off of this.

But we are beginning to see that a lot of what we thought was just the normal machinations of our voting. of our funding system, that it's actually all been overtaken by corruption. In California, we're not sure if we really, I know a lot of people have jokes for us about how we vote. Oh, Californians always vote for the wrong thing. I'm not sure we are voting for those things at all. We have found out that there are a lot of illegal aliens voting and look at the NGO scam. Okay, let's go back to how we started it. Let's go back to Rob and Mia Bonta. Mia Bonta sponsored this bill in the assembly. But guess who her, sponsors are. Chirla. Chirla is an anti-ice pro-immigrant illegal immigrant rights group that sponsors

that has been shown, the DOJ has investigated and proven the ties. Chirla has sponsored the anti-ice protest. Not only that, Chirla is 100% funded by state and government and federal government funds. That means that you, the taxpayer, are paying. for this group to send out people to attack your ICE agents who are deporting the people you don't want in this country. And then they're getting to write immigration policy and press policy and pre-press policy. Like that's what I mean when I say we're in the Truman Show and nothing is real. Yeah, there's a, you know, I think about voter ID where 85% of the country is in favor of it. And yet the politicians will not represent the people that they represent.

Let's take it back to the topic at hand where we started the show, which was the issue of medically assisted suicide and those sorts of excesses of collectivism. Are we heading that way in California as well? Well, if this was an election year, I might say, yeah, we probably are. I think a lot, we have the potential for a lot of things to change. been covering the California election here. But I will say that, yes, of course, California is the socialist hotbed. It's the incubator here. I'm a former Canadian myself. We didn't have made, when I lived there, we did not have assisted euthanasia. But we have versions of that here in California, and they're always working to make it a full law. I'll say this, that no

No society can thrive when death is the underpinning of their society. The underpinning of your successful, civilized society must be innovation, forward motion, family, and liberty. Those have to be, and those are all life-oriented things. Those are all action-oriented things. As soon as you, this is why we, this is how I feel about abortion too. But as soon as we make that we can call it compassion, we can call it kindness, we can call it whatever we want. But as soon as we make the government,

the legal purveyor of death and the decider of death, that is a dark underpinning that will permeate every other aspect of society. And you see what happened in Canada. It doesn't just end. Of course, it doesn't just end at people. who are terminally ill, weeks away from death and in, and in dire pain. I'm sure I didn't see the whole conversation with Viva, but I'm sure he told you that now they're putting infants to death.

And teenagers who are depressed can apply to die. I read a story about a woman, a young woman in her 30s who had back pain and couldn't qualify, of course, for the surgery she needed a perfectly solvable issue and could not get approved by Canada's universal health care system, but they did tell her she could go die. They did tell her that they would help her die. And of course, the added incentive to that is organ harvesting, which is a very lucrative business.

So Canada, the Canadian government, has become a human trafficker for all intents and purposes. And that's why when you look at a state like California, you have to look at everything we do in totality. It's not just about our immigration issue or this weird NGO issue where they're basically stealing our funds to act independently and without oversight. All of these things affect each other because why do we have so many politicians in California trying to keep the door open for coyotes, illegal immigrants, and the human trafficking problem that those bring? Why don't they care about the kids that are missing in this state? Why don't they care about the kids, the tens of thousands of foster children that go into the program and don't come out?

Why don't they? Once you make death the centerpiece of your culture and the centerpiece of your governance, your government starts to look at you as an equation on the page rather than a citizen whose rights deserve to be valued and protected. And that's where we are. Kira, I appreciate you being here. We will look for you on X at Kira Davis. The Orange Report also, right? Yeah, the Orange Report is California News.

All the views and news you can use from across California because we got a lot going on. As you know, California News is America News. Which is, I think that's a terrible press, terrible idea. I think it's an unfortunate and terrible thing. but so I have heard. The rest of the states get bad ideas from us. Yeah.

Yeah, and the bad ideas never go away. They just get rebranded. Thanks, Der. We've got lots of them. We've got loads of them. We've been producing them for decades. And so, but I know you're going to help out and host later in the week while I go visit your old homeland. And I'll be back to report.

And we appreciate you being here very much. Good luck. If you get in trouble up there, you know, the throw up the smoke signals and we'll send Trump in. We'll send the troops in. We might as well just go in there anyway. Let's just clean the plates up. Bye, you guys. I'll see you all next week.

By the way, I've got a couple minutes here. If anybody wants to put a call in 8333-D-R-D-R-A-W, 8333-3-D-R-A-W, 8333-3, Dr. Drew. If anybody wants to put a call through, I've got the call lines open. In the meantime, I don't know how this next schedule is going to work. Tomorrow we are in here at 2 o'clock, correct? Okay, they put the guests. perhaps. Yes.

There we are. Naomi Wolf, Mark Trotsey. You had to move salty cracker. Yeah, I know. And then 22nd is that's Wednesday. That is me.

Okay, so that'd be four o'clock. Del Bricktree comes back around. And then we've got Cira Davis coming in. Dr. Kelly Victory are you going to help me out. All going to host on my behalf. If I'm not back. You don't know yet.

If I'm not back. So hopefully I will be somewhere in there. We'll see. For Emily Barge. We'll see. And we appreciate Emily. rolling with us and, Caleb, you too. I know it's been very stressful.

It was stressful enough and then all of a sudden and we're waiting on a grandchild too who's going to be here any minute. It's been a very stressful time. And then when I got back from New York, Susan decided she was more relaxed when I wasn't around so she encouraged me to take this job in Canada,

which I will go to. She never sent for yourself. Look at the rants. Well, so something I wanted to mention to. I didn't say that. I know. He's joking. So there's two guests, big guests that didn't actually, that aren't, that are like beyond the boundaries of the list that I just showed. So we actually have, we moved Salty Cracker to May 14th at 2 p.m. That's a Thursday. And then the day before on May 13th at 4 p.m., we have Russell Brand coming in studio. Right. Great. That's going to be great. I'm not going to hold my breath, but that will be exciting if he makes it.

No, he's got a new book and he insists on being in studio and he's going to be right over here. and much where... I like him. Yeah. Okay, I'm not seeing any calls, guys. But you're always welcome to call. I keep an eye on the call screen. It's 8333-3-D-R-A-W.

Well, we didn't promote the calls today. I know. I know. It's really because of the way the schedule is. I want to be kind of clear-headed and just kind of keep moving forward. But I had a few minutes right here, so I thought I don't want to call out.

If anybody wanted to call in. So I... Everybody likes to be anonymous around here. No, once we get people start to call. they'll like it. And by the way, you're welcome to call on just about any topic. What's that, Caleb? Yeah, and people can call in and you don't have to put your last name.

You could just put your initials. You could just put your first name if you want. And you could be more anonymous if you have something that's important. But he's shy. The guy that makes the clock, Canadian, who's waiting for you in Toronto. You should call and say hi. We can meet him this way. I'd call, but I'm shy.

Funny. I'm just looking at the rants. I have to throw out something that I learned over the weekend that shocked me. You know Thomas Sol, of course, you're very familiar with who he is. Do you know he's still alive? He's 95 years old. Oh, yeah. I'm going to try to see if Emily can get him on the show.

I'm like, I thought this guy was a figure in history. He's still alive, still writing. Oh, no. He's an amazing person to speak about economics. Yeah. Yeah, he is a kind of a, there is so many. any sort of I don't know the word

for it, I'll just say jewel, you know, in the American system, that he is definitely one of them. I mean, he's just so clear-headed and he's had an interesting arc in his history and his evolution of his thinking and he's arrived in sort of a pragmatic place where he's lived a long time

and things work and Barish just says she doesn't think he's bookable. She's tried. So she's ahead of you. Of course. We might need to go to him. That might be the situation. He doesn't go out for people anymore. If you maybe go to him, it might be worth a flight. He probably was in Virginia or something, right?

I've just occasionally seen him do, like in the last five years, I've seen occasional. I don't see a 95-year-old getting on the same. No, it's too hard. Okay, well, any event? Let me quick look and see what he calls came in. Nope. Appreciate you all. I guess I could make a phone call. And tomorrow is 2 o'clock.

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