Ask Dr. Drew - Candace Owens on Steven Avery Case: How The Media Makes Villains Look Like Heroes With “Selective Reporting” – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 265

Episode Date: September 23, 2023

In a new docu-series, Candace Owens accuses 2015’s “Making A Murderer” producers of obscuring vital evidence linking Steven Avery to multiple crimes, as Netflix raked in millions of dollars and multiple Emmy awards by promoting a narrative that painted Avery as an innocent victim of a police vendetta. “An argument can be made that Netflix made millions by transforming an irrevocably evil man, Steven Avery, into a sympathetic character,” says Owens. In “Convicting A Murderer” Candace Owens revisits the case of Steven Avery, his nephew Brendan Dassey, the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach, and the “ethically shady” methods used by the media to overlook evidence when it doesn’t agree with a more preferred – and more profitable – narrative. Watch “Convicting A Murderer” on DailyWire+ at https://www.dailywire.com/show/convicting-a-murderer Candace Owens is a political commentator, host of The Candace Owens Show, and author of the NYT bestseller Blackout. Follow Candace at https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO and watch her new docu-series “Convicting A Murderer” on DailyWire+. ABOUT THE DOCU-SERIES Convicting a Murderer unveils the shocking truth behind one of the most controversial criminal cases in recent history. In Making a Murderer, Steven Avery was portrayed as an innocent victim of corrupt law enforcement, but there’s more to the story than what we were shown. Join Candace as she sets the record straight by exposing hidden evidence in the murder of Teresa Halbach. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today is my pleasure to welcome Candace Owens to the program. She has a new documentary, Convicting a Murderer, which is based on the Netflix series, Making a Murderer, in which I believe this is her quote, an argument can be made that Netflix made millions by transforming an irrevocably evil man, Stephen Avery, into a sympathetic character. Yes, that is her quote. You can follow Candace over at real Candace Owens. The series can be seen at Daily Wire Plus. It's a docu-series convicting a murder. I've seen

several episodes. It is quite compelling. And we're going to change gears a little bit today and do a little true crime conversation. Embedded in that true crime conversation embedded in that true crime true crime conversation is a bit of an analysis of our present day media and what is going on in particular documentaries so let's get right to it our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopath started this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f*** sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that?

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joins us again with Kelly Victory. And next Tuesday, Ed Dowd makes another appearance. And he's always a favorite. You guys are very interested in his data. So we'll see what is new with Ed Dowd. It is my privilege, as I said, to welcome Candace Owens today. I think you all know her.

If you don't, I don't know where you've been. In addition to being a political commentator, she's host of the Candace Owens Show, author of New York Times bestseller, Blackout. You can follow Candace on what used to be Twitter, is now X, at RealCandiceO. And the new docuseries is available at Daily

Wire Plus. It is Convicting a Murderer. There's the billboard for that. Let's push her book up too, Caleb, if you don't mind. And you can follow Daily Wire, Daily Wire Plus at Daily Wire Plus on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Please welcome Candice Owens.

Candice, welcome. Thank you for having me. It is a privilege. You're coming to us from Nashville? I'm coming to you from Nashville, yes. It's great to be down here in the South. You've been living there for a little while. It's got to be.

Tennessee, I was there literally last weekend. And, man, it's a very positive place. It's got to be Tennessee. I was there last, literally last weekend. And man, it's a very positive place. It's extraordinary, the growth. Things can be different in certain places in this country you forget when you live in California. Yeah, it really does restore your faith in everything. And it kind of shows you that a lot of us have a microscopic view of what's going on in the country. You know, all the good stuff I feel like happens in the middle. And yet we seem to be holding a microscope and we're always looking at what's happening in LA and what's going on in the country. All the good stuff I feel like happens in the middle. And yet we seem to be holding a microscope and we're always looking at what's happening in LA and what's happening in New York. And so as someone who came from New York, born in New York, raised in the metropolitan area, to be able to move down South and to see people that reflect

the American values that we know, it's been absolutely incredible. And obviously the move for me was inspired by having children and the whole daily wire network moved down here. So, um, it's just been, it's been absolutely wonderful. Part of what you were just saying is what I want to zero in on today a bit, because I'm, I'm fascinated by what's been going on in this country and the world recently, one of the areas of fascination, I have several, but one is media and what media has been doing and the distortions of media and the crazy seeming unanimity of the chorus in so many areas of the media. COVID was just one big example of some of this. But interestingly, this documentary you've chosen on making a murderer is essentially the Netflix documentary that people became galvanized around.

It was sort of the early days of maybe the beginning middle, the beginning middle of media distortions. How did you come upon this project? Were you a fan of that documentary? Were you worried about documentaries generally? What got you to upon this project? Were you a fan of that documentary? Were you worried about documentaries generally? What got you to do this project? I always say that it makes perfect sense if you have followed me politically and kind of my journey into what I call now an awakening, realizing that much of what I had learned in the school system was a form of systematic brainwashing. The belief that as a black American, I was suffering, even though if you look around, black Americans never, in any

place in the world or any point in human history, have had more opportunity than the black people that are walking in America today, black people that are walking in America today. And so as I began that political journey into realizing that there was a concerted effort by the culture, the mainstream media, and by the school system to create minds. I've been interested in first examining how I was brainwashed and then kind of enlarging that understanding to the entire world, right? So I'm interested in a mass psychosis. You brought up COVID. Of course, that was a mass psychosis. It's a concert effort by the media, by the school system, using experts to convince people that everyone was dying and that we were facing another bubonic plague. And it was effective. That fascinates me. I was interested in a mass psychosis when it came

to Black Lives Matter, which was my first project that I did with The Daily Wire, exploring how people were able to be convinced that George Floyd wasn't just a person who died, unfortunately, but was a hero. People were getting baptized at one point where George Floyd died. They basically had christened him. I mean, they had turned him into a figure like Jesus Christ. That's really bizarre. And so if you like psychology as much as I do, and if you are interested in this period of heightened propaganda and also a cultural battle for minds that we're facing right now, then it naturally leads you into looking at the mainstream media because they are the most potent form of brainwashing that exists today, right? And it's everywhere. The media is absolutely everywhere and they're fighting for minds. And so I was interested in

this project because it is very similar on a large scale. It was kind of the first time that Netflix dabbled into documentaries, into a docu-series for the first time. They weren't that big when this took place, and suddenly they became massive. This docuseries was incredibly successful, and people weren't just convinced that Stephen Avery was not guilty because of this docuseries. They formed what can only be described as a cult, a Stephen Avery cult. And we show that later on in this docuseries. I don't want to offer any spoiler, except for the ones that have already been in the media, which is that he's got fiancés. He had people that wanted to marry him, people crying for him. And this man,

after looking at everything that he's done throughout his lifetime, which we've explored in the first four episodes that are available, was nothing short of a monster. Fascinating. I wanted to dive into this project and unpack how that could possibly happen. How do we turn villains into heroes and why? Yeah, that's a great question. And I've generally been very concerned about how people consume documentaries. They consume them as though they are deep academic dives into almost the way you can you know we'd read a chernow book or something you know it's like a biography it in point of fact they are vehicles for entertainment they're trying to capture eyes

like everything in the media and they have a distinct point of view. They have a specific point out of view they set out usually to provide. Do you know why the two documentarians had that particular point of view? It's really difficult to understand. I think probably when they set out to make the documentary and they first went up to cover the story, their intentions were much purer.

I think they were just kind of bored, looking for something to do. They saw what actually is an amazing story to consider. A man that actually was imprisoned for 12 years for something that he didn't do gets released. And then within two years, he's under investigation for the disappearance, the murder of somebody else. That's immediately compelling, no doubt. But after listening to their prison calls, which we will reveal later in episodes, and

being aware now of how much they had once they started looking into this, it's difficult for me to understand or to imagine how these two women, which is important to say that they are women because Teresa Hallback was also a young woman who was killed, could have had the stomach to do what they did to go onto this press tour and to lie. Because when they said to people that they didn't have an angle, just as you said, what we will show via their prison calls is they were very clear about their angle when they were speaking to Stephen Avery. They told him that they believed him. That's an angle, right? So I don't mind creating a documentary. As you said, everybody has a viewpoint. I'm telling you right now that my viewpoint is Stephen Avery is a monster,

but you should be forthcoming with that, right? So that people can know this is the viewpoint that I'm trying to examine and try to show you here is my supporting conclusion to pretend that you're completely agnostic on the matter as they did dishonest well let me let me play the trailer and then i want to expose people a little bit to my history with this particular documentary because i was railing about it back in 2015 or 16 whenever it was on my old hln program and i remember talking about it on like don lemon or something uh and and i actually later i i interviewed the um the prosecutor i got to know him a little bit did you did you interview him in the documentary i didn't see that part i specifically didn't interview him but we did

include an interview from him in the documentary okay because he's got some interesting notions also about what happened. Let's just first play the trailer. So here's the trailer. It's a little bit cut down, but this certainly gives you the flavor of what you'll see when you watch the docuseries. This is a collect call from an inmate at the Calumet County Jail. The man served 18 years in prison until DNA evidence cleared his name. The Two Rivers man was convicted of sexual assault in 1985, but exonerated with DNA evidence in 2003. So this is the infamous Avery lot. Now, two years later, he again finds himself tied to a police investigation. Accused of murdering Teresa Halbach on the Avery property.

Stephen Avery's 16-year-old nephew admitted his involvement in the rape and murder of Teresa Hallbuck. The car is discovered just around the bend. It was just this worldwide phenomenon. I think they framed this guy. I think he intended to crush the vehicle but ran out of time. Avery thinks the $36 million lawsuit he filed is why he's being targeted in this investigation. 10-21 at 24 Main Street. Do we have Stephen Avery?

Netflix made millions of dollars from making a murderer, but the filmmakers left out very important details, mountains of evidence that you have not yet seen. They all know that Stephen Avery committed this crime. 911, what is your emergency? evidence that you have not yet seen they all know that stephen avery committed this crime the evidence forces me to conclude that you are the most dangerous individual ever to set foot in this courtroom and there it is do you think that this was the beginning or was it already well underway? I just didn't know it. I guess maybe,

you know, it was really on the heels of, oh, shoot. In my aging brain, I'm going to forget the, the different names of the players, the,

the, the vigilante that shot the young kid in, I think it was Florida. Trayvon Martin. That had happened just around this time, hadn't it? Yeah, it was a perfect media firestorm for these two documentary makers because there was this anti-police sentiment that was already building in the country. And so they created this docuseries which laid down plausibility, you know, potentially that this person was being set up by police, you know, in this glorious $36 million lawsuit game.

And the reason that the mainstream media picked this up and had them on every single late night talk show and made this documentary docuseries so famous is not because they cared about Stephen Avery. It's not because they cared, obviously, about Teresa Hallback, his victim, but rather because they realized that they could extract a certain narrative that they were interested in perpetuating at that time, which is that police are rotten. People should be standing up and protesting police officers. Look, they're so rotten that it's not even just black men that they're doing this to, it's even white men. And so Stephen Avery became their icon in that moment.

This is even happening to white men. So how can you not see how corrupt police forces are? So we started covering this on HLN back in 2000, I guess, 15, somewhere around there. And I already sensed exactly what you uncovered, that something wasn't right. It just didn't smell right to me. And what was interesting is Nancy Grace agreed with me. So I think she got pretty good judgment. And the other thing that was interesting was my co-hosts and guests on the show were so biased against police they were so convinced that they were planting evidence and then and what about this and and i i thought what about the guy with the long career criminal record what about about that? Isn't that mean anything to you?

And the fact that as at the end of your little trailer there says, a lot of seasoned professional really thought this guy is a bad, is a terrible dude. He would easily capable of doing something like this. Yeah. And that to me is one of the other fascinating components of this is just what the human mind will do, how the human mind will bend, how it just won't go with, this is the obvious answer, right? The obvious answer is the last place that she was, was here. The obvious answer was that she felt uncomfortable around him. The obvious answer here is that he changed his story many times. The obvious answer is they found the car outside of his lot. But people so want to believe in almost this

anti-hero narrative, right? The anti-hero. And we see that, by the way, not just in real life, but it's also being reflected in fantasy, right? So look at all of the Disney movies, all the comics. Now they're trying to soften people that were bad. The Joker. Well, let's re-examine what actually happened to the Joker before he went to the Joker, right? People became a Joker. Don't you feel sympathetic for him? Maleficent from Snow White, or is that Snow White? Yes, from Snow White. Okay, but before we get into Maleficent, you have to actually look into her history. And Angelina Jolie plays her, and now she's actually a sympathetic character that

actually really has a heart. You see this over and over and again that we're in this period where we are trying to turn these villains into heroes. And Netflix, by the way, is notoriously guilty for this. I mean, they just did the softening of Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer. People were compelled by a Netflix documentary that was trying to soften a career pedophile who ate his victims. Where are we at in society when we can't just objectively say that this person was completely evil and does not need to be unearthed from the dead and to have his legacy not tainted, but rather cleaned up by a Netflix docuseries. So Netflix is always engaged in this sort of propaganda and rewriting of criminal history. And maybe it's because of the success of making

a murderer. Maybe it's because of the success of being a murderer that they went, let's just keep doing this. Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. But I think there's a cultural, if the culture wasn't already, you know, into this, didn't have an appetite for it, they wouldn't have this success, right? And I'm interested in looking a little bit at the historical sweep of this. Before we do that, I just want to say, you know, I am, you know, the way I frame these things, you know, I get to shut the door oftentimes and talk to people who have done horrible things. And so I, you know, part of the job of mental health is being able to find sympathy for or empathy for people that are pretty hard to empathize for. And there are A, situations where you can find empathy,

and then B, where people were under the influence of drugs and alcohol and did horrible things. And my position is when you do horrible things because you're a drug addict and you didn't take care of your drug addiction, you have to take the consequences, period, end of story. And that's part of getting well from this thing is making amends, which is cleaning up your side of the street. So you did horrible things under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

That's on you for not coming to treatment before you did that. That's on you. And the fact that you did it is now on the legal system and your relationship with that legal system, period. If you killed somebody with DUI, I'm sorry. Now it's a legal problem. you did it is now on the legal system and your relationship with that legal system period if you killed somebody with dui i'm sorry now it's a legal problem no longer something we can we can talk about as part of your illness because you've you didn't take care of it in time and then three as you mentioned uh there are horrible people there are people that are reprehensible that are

evil we know this their brains don't work the way our brains do they don't other people's feelings don't really exist to them people are there just for their own use and sometimes even for sadistic uh enjoyment and that's exist those those things exist and to try to pretend they don't is uhroneous, frankly, and fallacious. But the interesting thing to me about all of this is the historical sweep. Now, would you call yourself a Gen Xer? Is that sort of the group you're in, or you're actually a millennial? I'm a millennial. You're a millennial.

Millennial. So you must have been right at the cusp somewhere, because you don't have any millennial features. But as such, you'll appreciate this. So when I was an adolescent, we glorified sociopaths. Sociopaths were what we decided were the individuals that we would elevate to on high. I remember we made them student body president. They were the guys who learned to play guitar at 14 because they were depressed and couldn't get on socially.

And magically, these were the guys in rock bands who then acted out horribly. And we still haven't reconciled that. There's a good next good documentary for me, the horrible behavior of rock bands in the 70s. But we elevated them to a status uh in fact jan winner just got in trouble for writing a book about about these guys and and i i always i always cringe when they they idolize these these uh musicians as great philosophers they they were they were a lot of them not all of them but a lot of them were sociopaths and we elevated them. Then we sort of moved into, I don't know, elevating narcissistic sociopaths. It sort of seemed like we were sort of more in that zone. And now we've decided that there's no such thing as a bad person or something, or that

everybody has a, you know, everybody has a story that needs to be elevated, which is kind of, kind of nice. Were it true if we could do it? I, I, I understand all of it, frankly, it's kind of all has a, has a inspiring flavor to it, but it's really misses the point that we're taking people that maybe we shouldn't be idolizing and idolizing them and that and that then impacts young people i think about your children i mean we're in this weird phase you see what i'm talking about if you have any sense of that absolutely yeah we are we are in the period of excuses we're in the period of that there's there's no accountability right we just have to dig deeper and understand why you're doing this. And I talk about this often. I speak out against the younger generation of psychologists and psychiatrists who are not giving people the tools to correct things in their lives, but instead handing them excuses.

You did this bad thing. Well, let's talk about your childhood and figure out what happened in your childhood. Ah, see, actually, it's not really your fault that this happened to you. You had a bad relationship with your mother, and that's the reason why you're like this, and people around you need to understand this. We are hearing this over and over again. It's almost, it's this entire practice of psychiatric affirmation, right? You're a bad person, but I'm going to affirm you in that bad person and tell you why it's not actually your fault. And you can always see somebody that's a product of too much therapy right now. And I call it new age therapy

because the old therapy, they would say to you, you need to get your stuff together. You know what I mean? A bad thing happened to you. Okay, time to grow up and move on. Everybody's got a story. Nobody's got a perfect childhood.

And I understand that, you know, daddy didn't call you back on Saturday the whole time you were a kid. Doesn't really give you the right to strangle puppies jeffrey dahmer right new age therapy says oh okay coddle hug i totally understand why you're strangling the puppies and it's not really your fault here's a prescription it's interesting i i i was susan sus Susan's talking off Michael you want to bring in yikes well this she's right correct I mean this is we see this it's sad well it's it's a miscarriage of the intention of these therapeutics the therapeutics

are you should be holding people accountable and I noticed this even a reality television we were watching a reality show and there was a therapy component to it. And somebody really acted terribly. And the therapist showed up with coffee. Let's talk about it. I thought, oh my God, you go, hey, cut that shit out. You do that one more time. You are out of here. You understand me? Okay. Now let's hear why you did that. I'm willing to listen, but do we understand each other? Behavior not acceptable. Do you got it? Okay, good.

And I guess that's gone now. I did a many years of that. And by the way, by the way, including kicking people out of treatment. And those people would walk up to me years later and say things like, I had this happen to me more than once. This exact thing. You know, came up, shook my hand, and I shuddered a little bit because I recognized the person. I kicked him out of treatment. And he said, you know, I wasn't ready to hear what you were trying to tell me. You did exactly the right thing.

I remembered it. It got me eventually on course. I had to go to the own level, whatever level I had to go to, but I got back on course. And now I'm a PhD in psychology and I'm treating other people and helping other addicts, whatever it might be. And I thought, whoa, this is the right thing. Now, you don't abandon people. You offer them other treatments and things like that and places to go.

But you don't tolerate intolerable behavior. It's weird. It's a weird time. You're right. Go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. A great cultural example of that is Black Lives Matter. This is something that always sticks with me is when Black Americans after George Floyd died raced into the Target in Minnesota and were stealing flat screen TVs. And Target came out with a statement and said, we understand. The CEO of Target came out and said, well, what do you understand here? And what are you actually teaching those

individuals going forward? Which is that if you have a feeling and you're upset about anything that authorizes you to become a criminal, I mean, it's, so there is the cultural reinforcement. So it's happening on, on a micro scale scale when you see psychiatrists and psychologists participating in this, and they're dealing with an individual. On a cultural scale, when you see CEOs basically saying, we deserve to be robbed. We totally get it. Everyone was issuing statements like, we deserve this. It's horrible. But what we've done, so we understand why you're becoming a criminal. And another culture example, I could give you so many of them. Prince Harry, he's another person.

He's an example of too much therapy. Something bad happened to you when you were a child, so you can just be awful to your own family. And everyone needs to understand that and pretend that what you're doing is rational. So we're seeing way too much of it all across the board right now. It's generations come up with an excuse and allow evil to take place. And I don't want to diminish the importance of being able to have a professional sit in a room with you and empathize with you that you have to have that you need that. And, and by the way, understanding something and then treating something is very different than allowing and endorsing behaviors. It very different you like you said it's okay so mom beat me okay now let's do let's work on the trauma with various

kinds of techniques to reintegrate your brain not revivify the past this is another thing revivifying the past is not helpful it's about the body has a room has a trauma leaves an impact on the body function and the brain function and you have to sort of rewire that and reintegrate that and then take a good look now you're looking at the world from a different place and we help you make better choices with your your life and you know other things that's it's odd that you were seeing something different go on and it makes sense to me that maybe that's why the streets are so full uh you know we're giving people crack pipes and heroin without understanding those are murder weapons and this is a progressive illness the other part

that people don't seem to get is that many of these conditions are progressive. They end in terrible places. And if we don't break through the denial, the anosognosia, we are contributing to people's demise and we are contributing to them deteriorating to the point that they do do bad things. And then what have we done? That was a good thing now? Yeah. So I can blame your generations, what you're saying. I can blame you and yours. Absolutely. Yeah, you can. I don't think so. I'm not ready to do that. I don't do that because I have noticed there are some interesting features, including it doesn't feel that different than what happened in the 60s and 70s. It really doesn't. It's very similar.

And it just has a different context and different you know set of priorities to it but the but the thinking and the we figured it out finally and everything is because of society and only only listen i was talking to adam kroll about this this morning because we we both remember when 26 year olds were saying don't don't trust anybody over 30 26 year olds there's denial about your own biology and your own aging and your own participation in society and human motivation. All that is denied. All that is denied. Where did that come from?

Is that academia? Part of it is academia. It's one piece of it. It's academia. Academia working in lockstep with culture, working in lockstep with even the breakdown of family and government and things that are happening in that regard. And that's what I talk about all the time on my podcast. It's really those three pillars. You have the family pillar that's being destroyed, which is where you go to reinforce your values as a stable mom, dad, nuclear family unit.

And now that is basically being laughed at. It's like if you have a normal family, it's abnormal. Everything's got to be weird and everyone's got to have an issue or fly their freak flags high. And then you have the culture, which Hollywood is being the biggest piece because people, I think when families are broken down, will still pursue what has been shown, will pursue that paternity and maternity elsewhere, right? So if mom and dad are not at home around the dinner table, what are those kids looking up to? And that becomes cultural figures. They're looking up to, well, what is Taylor Swift saying that I should be supporting?

What is Beyonce saying that I should be supporting? And this is why there's such a stranglehold, I think, in Hollywood to enforce the same ideas over and over again. If you step outside of the bounds of what they say is acceptable, they come after you. That's the truth. It's Hollywood is very much a cult.

Cult comes from the word culture. Yeah, and when you get to the media generally though it it you know when you talk about the come you know being a sinner and being come half god gone after for being impure these are all the the the the territory that religion has normally filled right the excesses of religion frankly so when we don't have some of the beneficial aspects of religion and religious communities and something outside of ourself which is a very important concept we fill with the these other teams and these other talismans and these other uh uh sort of purification processes where we go after others. Right. Idolatry. And it's why that pillar of faith is so important. And it's why I say that there's no such thing as an atheist. You show me someone that thinks they're an atheist, I'll show

you what they believe in. They become radical about something that seems there's no way you care as much about this. They're radical in the streets. We need an abortion at nine months in the womb. How did you get here? This has become a faith for you. They become radical about climate change. Their whole life is spent blocking traffic and throwing paint. They become eco-zealots. They become radical about BLM. That's somebody that's spiritually devoid and filling that with something else. It is impossible to not seek some sort of spiritualism. So when it's misplaced spiritualism and it becomes these other topics, it can be very scary. And I talk about that in the documentary as we go on.

And I talk about what is it about Stephen Avery that compelled these people? When you see this one woman in a later episode and she's crying and she's crying in a way that I just, I couldn't stop looking at her. I was like, we just need to keep showing this because she doesn't know this man. She's crying like she's just lost her father, right? She just, and I said, what are we actually looking at? This is a spiritual void, and she has replaced it with something else.

And that something else for her was Stephen Avery. Wow, fascinating. Wow, yes, fascinating. But embedded in that behavior is a grandiosity, right? She grandiose, going to save him. This, I care so much. This is grandiose caring, which we've seen lots of during COVID. Grandiose, which is the opposite of humility and the opposite of putting your faith in something higher than yourself whatever that is for you i don't care uh this needs to this is what that's all there for to to buffer against some of these tendencies of the human soul uh that towards these excesses and because i i've also become obsessed recently with the french revolution i was just told

yesterday that parents clarence th Thomas lately has been obsessed with this too. Because it's different context, different outcomes. There's a lot of differences. But the language, some of the psychologies, being pure enough. The other thing we're starting to see now is everyone ends up in the guillotine nobody's pure enough and they start eating themselves which is an inevitable also a mathematical inevitability of this these excesses but uh it is interesting how we've gone through these historical moments very much like this um do you have any thoughts about

that then what i would do is i want to take a break i then i want to show you my history with making a murder and we'll go more into the docuseries but any thoughts about the historical kind of yeah sort of cycling of these issues yeah I mean I think it shows that we never learn our lessons from history what is what is the lesson of the French Revolution just as you said no one's ever pure enough you know it turns into absolute chaos and what happens after chaos dictatorship arises inevitably right and so that's one of the things- Or monarchies. You could have a monarchy too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so, yes, you are absolutely right. There are lessons from the past that everybody should be exploring. And it seems that we never do learn our lessons. And

there are a lot of similarities in terms of what's going on in America today when you try to really contextualize it and understand because it is chaotic. It is definitely chaotic, but I think that elements of it are intentional. And it's why when something, going back to your point about COVID or what you started the episode with, it's interesting. It is interesting. It's scary. I wrote a book about, yeah, it is scary scary i wrote a book about narcissism and i wanted to put a chapter in about the french revolution because it was the only period of history i could think of in the sort of at least close to modern era where narcissism and childhood trauma and all that was so prevalent in a population and i wanted to use it as a model saying well this is where it can go it goes to scapegoating it goes to aggression it goes to envy these are these are the liabilities of

narcissism i was told it was too speculative if i'd written that damn chapter and stuck with my guns you should have written it there yeah there is definitely something there and atheism and narcissism go hand in hand they do again that that grandiose sense that the self is all above all else. The self becomes the God. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a dangerous place for humans to be. Humility, transcendence, those are much healthier places. Candice Owen, again, you could tell us how they get the docuseries. What are the steps they go through if they want to watch it?

Well, first and foremost, if you want to watch the first episode to see if you're even interested, we have it available for free on YouTube. We premiered it on X, and now it's for free on YouTube. We premiered it on X and now it's for free on YouTube. Got millions of views. People are loving it. And then if you love that episode, you can still watch it for free on Daily Wire Plus. Head over to dailywireplus.com, watch the second episode for free. And I have no doubt that after the second episode, you are going to be absolutely hooked and you're going to want to subscribe to dailywire.com to watch the rest. It's really interesting to unpack what they left out and how they attempted, the documentary makers I'm referring to, to soften his crimes in the past. And there's some huge things that are coming in,

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i think stephen avery guilty we're continuing the conversation about the documentary making a murderer thousands of you want him set free it's the two convicted murderers doesn't matter what any of us want frankly the jury has spoken but if you've only seen the Netflix series, you have not seen all the evidence. A documentary with a particular point of view, leaving out a lot, and only showing you courtroom proceedings, and only interviewing the defense. There it was. And I didn't know. Yeah, I knew something was wrong.

And I didn't know what you know now, what your documentary viewers are going to learn. But the one thing that jumped out at me was how they vilified the prosecutor because he turned out to have been addicted to opiates. Therefore, he was a bad person, and everything he was doing was a drug addict. Did you know that part of the story that he was addicted during the case? No, I actually had no idea that he was addicted during the case. You know, I was really focused

on unpacking the Avery clan history. There's a reason why I'm calling them a clan because obviously for me, what's interesting when you think of someone who would ever rape and stab and shoot somebody is what were the indications before, right? Because people don't usually start what's interesting when you think of someone who would ever rape and stab and shoot somebody is, what were the indications before, right? Because people don't usually start with something like that. I mean, even burn her in a fire pit is very extreme. So there's got to be, to me, I was

thinking, what are the indicators from his past? And there were just so many violent indicators down from torturing animals to torturing people, what he did to his cousin, what he did to his niece, what he did to his own daughter, leaving hickeys on her neck. I mean, it was just, there was so much there that indicated that he's a sexual deviant and he's violent and he was already serving, which people did not understand, or at least, you know, wasn't clarified. Part of the sentence that he was serving wasn't just for something that he didn't do, but it was also six years for something that he did do, which was violent and was against a woman. So it was just incredible to me, but I actually did not know about that aspect pertaining to the prosecutor being addicted to opiates at the

time. Yeah. And we're the feminists, by the way, in this particular case, a lot of his horrible behavior was directed towards women, right? Right. And these were two lesbian filmmakers from New York who did this from New York. I mean, that's even compelling. You're talking about the me too people, right? This is like, you're talking about liberal women from New York who made this docu-series who would later go on the next wave of feminism would be the Me Too movement, which is we should believe every single allegation that comes from a woman. And that's why, as I said, it was especially horrific to realize that I felt that Teresa Hallback wasn't just murdered in this life, but she was murdered in the afterlife. And she was murdered in the afterlife by these two female documentary makers. And it's really sad.

And what people don't think about often enough is that this is real life. It's not fantasy. Right. And so you had celebrities like Alec Baldwin, Chrissy Teigen, all of the usual suspects, Trevor Noah, leading the charge to suggest that this man was innocent, which ultimately led to radical conspiracy theories and led to the family who were remarkable. They were dignified. They were a Catholic family, and they really never spoke to the press, but it led to them being harassed with conspiracy theories. So think about having your young daughter with her whole life ahead of her, brutally raped burned stabbed shot and then on top of that the bonus that you get is that netflix creates a series it makes everybody think you're

lying and people believe that she didn't even die that she was down in mexico somewhere that's that's how demented these conspiracy theories got despite all of the evidence that she was murdered so the prosecutor was named Ken Kratz, and I interviewed him a couple of times when he was sober. He's actually, I think he's still sober. He was in the program. He was very committed to the program.

And what he told me was that the thing that upset him most, aside from the fact that the documentary left out of important information and he wasn't allowed to present important information in the courtroom even, but what bothered him the most was what happened to the nephew. I forget his name, Donahue or something. The young kid and that Dassy.

And that I had trouble with that police interview that they did to him too. That was a little odd that the police sort of, well, this kid was impaired, you know, and then he had no one there with him to to um defend him while he was sort of manipulated through a little bit of a of a interview i i get that i get i got people's criticism of that i agreed with that but what you didn't know and i don't know if you uncovered this and ken kress told me is that he offered him like a 10-year plea bargain or something And that the, and the family wouldn't allow it because it would leave Steven implicated or out in the cold at least. And this kid ends up getting convicted. Well, unfortunately you just given a spoiler in my docu-series. Oh,

oh no, I didn't know. Okay. Okay.. It's already, sorry. I'm totally. Okay, okay. You are absolutely correct. You are absolutely correct about that. And I'm glad because I just had to give something in this interview. I'm like, there's just something that I want to say. But I will push back on the notion that the police did anything wrong when interviewing Brennan Dassey.

And that's going to be a huge thing. Please tell me. They edited down that police interview. People didn't know how he ended up alone. They showed you one of multiple interviews. They didn't know how he ended up alone they showed you one of multiple interviews they didn't show you how the interview came about and when i say that those police gave him any and every out and that his you know mother was informed i mean they did everything right and so i really stand by how brendan dassey was interviewed you're right

and it's entire content so listen the second thing i want to ask you and this is for your And so I really stand by how Brendan Dassey was interviewed when you see it in its entire context. So listen. The second thing I want to ask you, and this is for your opinion, because you are correct. People are more sympathetic towards him. You are also correct that he could have gotten out earlier were it not for his selfish uncle and the family rallying around the uncle and not really caring what happened to Brendan Dassey. But it's interesting to me when people use, okay, he's 16 years old. And so he was sort of used when he was like, you know, drawn into this crime with his uncle and people will

say, you know, he was impaired. Was he stupid? Yes. Was he mentally impaired? No. Um, in, in my view. And I think that we'll, we show that because somebody that's mentally impaired would never have been able to recall in such detail over X amount of interviews, the way that he was able to recall everything. Most criminals are stupid by the way. So I don't know when that became an excuse for creating, you know, to, to do these things. But, you know, as a 16 year old, we have an idea of right and wrong. You know what I mean? You know, what's right and you know, what's wrong. And, and it's very obvious that Brendan, and again, I'm not going to try to give any spoilers, knew that what he had done was wrong.

How he even came about on the police radar, how his name came about was because Brendan knew that what he had done was wrong. Brendan was struggling with his own things. So what is our take? Because I think of this as Teresa Hallback. She's six years older than Brennan Dassey. She's also a young woman. Her whole life has been taken away from her. Do we look when we say, okay, but well, a 16 year old did this. So this person, I mean, I don't, he got 10 years for killing my daughter. If he had actually gotten just 10 years for killing my daughter, I would, because he was 16, I would be absolutely outraged.

Right? So where is that moral line in society? When do we say, you can go to war in two years, you can do this, you can smoke cigarettes, you can drink the next amount of years. When is 16 too young and when is it too old? Because right now in this country, we're saying that a six-year-old can decide

their gender. A four-year-old can decide their gender and their sexuality. And yet we have this thing, oh, but a 16, when they commit a crime, they're just a child. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on this. I am troubled by all of it, just as you are. Maybe not, I'm so moderate on all things.

I'm trying to always arrive at the right place. But these things obviously are troubling. And in Brandon's case, you know, of course, just here's what I can say about my opinion is, guess what? I believe the documentarians when they say this kid was just pulled out of the classroom and thrown in that interview. That's what the documentary said. So you're right. classroom and thrown in that uh thrown in that interview that's what the documentary said so you're right i took at face value the circumstance that they paint which in fact you're telling me even that was false and and you're right uh i should not have i should have doubted everything

about that documentary but it shows how our how our minds work right is that okay yeah or you're following along the story and they say they pull out of the classroom and thrown alone and with these cops and they clearly had an agenda it's like huh okay well all right as opposed to going wait a minute these bitches excuse me these these these to cut that out i didn't say that these these i didn't mean that i apologize for that that was that was out of line but but the point is I felt manipulated. That's why I was using such harsh language. There we go. Thank you.

And that if they're manipulating me throughout the thing, I should assume that they're manipulating me with that stuff too. At least that's what you're telling me. That there was grave, grave misrepresentations of something. They were manipulating people. Even that. Even that. And I really, I should not have said that i deeply apologize that was absolutely out of line and uh it was out of line susan go ahead you know given what they did to

theresa halbach's legacy i am i'm going to say you are forgiven for using that because i yeah definitely had to stop myself from using stronger language throughout the series when you really understood how much they've manipulated people. And like I said, tremendous detriment to Teresa's family and the horrors that they lived through. And I come at that as a mother. You know, just I just kept thinking if this horrific thing happened to my child and two documentary makers just were like, la la la. We can make some money and we can manipulate audiences. And we're going to use the Brendan Dassey storyline to manipulate them, make them feel bad, make them believe that the police did everything wrong. You know, it's, it's infuriating. Uh, it's infuriating to examine all of this stuff in

the retrospect and realize what they had access to and what they declined, uh, to use. And so, yeah, I was, I was very, still very upset with these documentary makers because they received an Emmy for this. And Teresa Halbach's legacy, still, you have a cult of individuals who believe that she's not even dead. Yeah. I think we leave it there. I think both of us are upset by this, all of this. which sort of shows how much I'm losing myself thinking about being manipulated and manipulating an audience and changing the legacy of a dead person.

And it worries me so much in the context of so many other manipulations that are going on in the media today, whether intentionally or not. I don't know that people are setting out to manipulate, but it makes you worry. I pulled up a thing here from a book written by somebody named Merleau Juiced. Have you ever heard of that person?

Merleau Juiced. No, Juiced Merleau. I've never heard of them. Okay, this is a psychoanalyst. He's a psychoanalyst who brought in millions of victims, data on millions of victims of, other things Nazi terror he studied mass formation psychosis he studied is I think he's been gone for a long time as it was first published 1960 and he's I'm going to show you the different elements he he concluded were necessary for this to be effective, this mass formation.

Menticide and individual mental submission. You had to get people to submit. Pavlovian conditioning. He said that you would condition people with certain sort of response qualities. The roots of mass brainwashing, outsourcing the responsibility to think for themselves. If you outsource that responsibility, that is set up for brainwashing. Weaponization of fear, we've certainly seen that. And mental contagion. So those are sort of the elements that set these things up.

And I think we have been through a giant wave of something like that with COVID. And I think we need to be on the lookout. We have to be very cautious if we see anything like this again. In a way, this thing you're talking about was that. It was sort of a mass brainwashing operation. Yeah. And it happens in so many different regards. It really does over and over again. And I am fascinated by it. And it happens in so many different regards. It really does over and over again. And I am fascinated by it. And you see all of those elements. And I really like the idea of outsourcing thinking because that's what really happens when you start saying things like trust the experts, trust the experts, trust the experts. So don't at all think about common sense or

thinking about your experiences or thinking about what you know about it. Even if you had this illness, you must just outsource your thinking in terms of COVID. And I think with documentary makers, they're outsourcing the thinking and they think, oh, it's a documentary. So obviously they're committed to telling the truth. We naturally accept a documentary as concrete proof of something. It's weird. We don't have the same relationship with the media. We'll say, oh, I don't trust it because it's left-leaning or I don't trust it because it's right-leaning. But when it comes to documentary, oh, this just must be right in the middle. And they're just interested in telling us the facts. And actually, the history of documentaries, which we show in episode 10 of this docuseries, has always been laden with propaganda. And so it is interesting that we trust

documentaries to always tell us the truth and to assume that there is no angle when all documentaries do have an angle, which is fine, again, as long as the people that are making it are forthcoming with what they actually believe. I'm most pleased to see that you've not lost your ability to smile and laugh at some of these things. Your sense of humor is still intact. And that is delightful to see because it is a nice bromide for the present moment. So thank you for that. And thank you for spending some time with us.

Appreciate it very much. Again, tell them where to go to watch the doc and to follow you. Guys, you can watch the first episode for free on YouTube. Then you're going to head over to Daily Wire Plus. You can watch the second episode for free. And if you subscribe because you are so hooked, which I promise that you will be because it's amazing,

especially if you're a woman. I don't know, women, we really love a true crime mystery. We're all about that psychology. You're going to be very interested because it's going to force you to examine your own psychology while also being able to take a look at somebody who I have to agree with the judge in this case might be one of the more dangerous people in our society. So thank you guys so much thus far. It's been a tremendous success. Stephen Avery is allegedly leading a charge from prison for people to downvote

the victim and murderer on Rotten Tomatoes. Let me encourage you if you are watching to upvote it because the Avery cult is coming at us, but it's been a smash success and it's only because of the people that follow and support. So I'm grateful to everyone and grateful to you, Dr. Drew, for taking this time to talk about the docuseries with me. And thank you. It was a pleasure to watch it at real Candace. Oh, we will see you. I hope soon someday. Absolutely. See you guys soon. Thanks. Thanks Candace. And, uh, for us, uh, Caleb, do you want to take a couple of calls? Yeah.

Susan wants to take a call. Are we okay for the, all right. So, uh, if I see people have raised their hand already, so I will go ahead and pull you up. I think you're having a little PTSD there from HLN days. Me? Yeah. Is that what happened? Yeah, my nervous system got a little overheated. I hope Caleb took care of that.

Had some flashbacks. Caleb, did you take care of that, or do I have to worry about what's next for me? It's okay. Caleb, are you there? As long as you didn't call Candace a bitch. Yeah. Yeah.

As long as you didn't say the I word or the H word, I think we're fine. So those are the only things bad these days. I really was, I was unfair to some people that I said, I shouldn't be calling people names. I just don't like that. I just flipped that. It fell out of my mouth. I don't know. I feel like you had some HLM passion fly out.

Yeah, that would have been curtains if I'd done that on HLM, I think. It's true. But please do my apologies again. I don't like it when I go to excess like that. Just ripped a bong hit. You have to unmute your speaker. Did you? Yeah. Or else I'm going to have to go

to somebody else here. He's ripping a bong hit. No, he just ripped a bong hit. I'm here. There you are. What's going on, my friend? I'm here okay kind of there you are what's going on I'm here we are we hear you okay are you what's going on oh cool right on okay so well you got Candace and you on the phone you guys to me it just sounds like you talk about a bunch of hearsay and gossip you guys aren't even discussing the murder room like none of these people i'm not i know i have no i have no expertise in that i just do remember uh talking about it with the prosecutor and a lot of that was uh kept

from the public that's what he was telling me whether or not that's true or not i have no way of knowing how candace have you read the filings? Candace is no longer here. It's just me. So you can ask her that in sort of absentia. It really sounds like to me that, first of all, I expected more from you, to be honest, to have a little more hardball question seeing this is so serious you have two men in there that are in there for life and and there is zero zero evidence that leaks them to the murder

room at all they're not even sure if these bones are are human they have not even been able to prove that but the room itself none of them you're talking about it was just it was described as a bloody massacre a rape torture scene and the slitting of a throat yet there's no blood in that room at all there is no evidence of any of them in there and you're going to tell me that these two were competent enough in that short amount of time to clean that up perfectly what are the odds and even if they had a lifetime to clean that up perfectly what are the odds as i recall the the can you know you're talking to somebody that's not an expert in this case you could watch candace documentary i remember that point though. Yeah. My recollection is that there was a lot of focus on the trunk of the car and there was blood in the trunk of the car.

And that the question was, did this all go on outside in the fire pit or next to that or something? And that's where the real exsanguination occurred. I don't know. I don't have an opinion about it. So thank you for raising that. And people can watch the documentary. Go ahead. This might be related. I cut some clips from your HLN episode. This might have some of those things there. Let me see. Teresa's car key was found in plain view on a bookshelf in Avery's bedroom. Avery's DNA was on the key. Blood was found in a torn package

inside. Blood was found in the car. The police claim that he killed her in his garage, but his DNA was everywhere, but not one speck of her DNA. Except on the bullet. Which was found five months later, Dr. Drew, five months later. So this is the reason people love this case because there's questions at least the way it was certainly the way it was presented to the public. But again, after talking to the prosecutor, he was saying that there was just so much more that then was seen. They didn't release. That there was for various reasons, you know, court proceedings,

whatnot was not released. And yeah. And, and I don't know, I'm an expert in this. I'm certainly not a, I don't even like true crime stuff, but we did cover that back then. And I remember feeling like there was something wrong with what was being presented because there were lots of gaps in the information. I still am worried that kid that was interviewed by the cops was sort of impaired. I mean, I know Ken said he wasn't impaired. I mean, he knows right from wrong, yes, but he was not sophisticated enough to understand what he was being led through and maybe what the consequences were of what he was doing.

I don't understand why he didn't take the plea bargain, although I guess Candace disagrees that there should have been a plea bargain. You know, do we have- We have to watch the show. Do you have some of the interview I had with the prosecutor there, Caleb? No.

Is that available? Unfortunately, I don't have that clip yet. I don't have those clips. I'm not sure. I believe it was on a podcast. I believe that you did, but I wasn't able to get to find the exact clips talking about it. Okay. Let's try.

Is he on this live? FNBS. No. He might have come on that also. Yeah, I think he was. Yeah. This was, I don't think that hi there hey you're on what's up hey there dr drew oh my god this is crazy this is this is

great to hear your voice i i used to listen to your your love line show with uh with adam Carolla as a kid growing up. And it really planted a lot of seeds that grew on me. And it's stuff that was innate to stuff I was really interested in, stuff you're talking about now, and how just psychology is affecting people, and especially in this new terrain with social media and mass media itself. But yeah, it's really great to hear your voice. Are you going to be doing

this more often? We do it every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at 3 o'clock. It's a streaming show that we also push out on Twitter Spaces. Yeah, we do it for a long time. We tend to be but we tend to be talking i i tend to talk to physicians and we tend to talk to people that

have been silenced i want to hear what they have to say just because i figure they have why why would they why would people so go out of their way to silence people that have dissenting opinions i i've never been in a world where that was the case we sort of take on dissenting opinions i've never been in a world where that was the case we sort of take on dissenting opinions to try to i am in that world my friend and that is that is kind of the shtick of what i'm what fnbs kind of is you know it's fake news bullshit but it's also a forward news broadcasting system and i want to like i want to like kind of standardize an approach and a scientific way in how we receive information. And a lot of it has to do with context and sourcing. And these are things that are played upon by medias.

And when you, depending on the medium that you're talking about, it's really a different animal. Because when you're getting into the social media platforms then you're talking about algorithmic grooming kind of which is what's happening is that certain innate qualities that are in humans you know we we're just we're predisposed to kind of watching and being attracted to sensationalistic things and violence and crime and stuff like that. So, I mean, these things are what attract our attention, are what kind of perpetuate that algorithm and the media themselves, they capitalize on that through advertising. And really, I mean,

it also works in that same regard with traditional media where they show us, you know, crimes and violence. You guys are talking about a case that I haven't even heard of. Thank God. Because I, it has no fucking bearing on my life. Like I can't do anything about that. And that type of shit happens all the time around me. Uh, I don't know. Check out. Check out.

Maybe it's a bigger issue. I don't need to touch it. Sorry. No, it's good. I like it. I would say I'd love you to check out Dr. Jot TV and look at some of the previous interviews we've done and see if they are opening people's minds or are they misinformation or what are we, you know, just by talking to people, are we doing something proper? It seems like it seems to me that fresh air sunlight is our only solution. And it certainly mitigates paranoias.

People are less paranoid when you give them access to everything. And it sort of makes you, um, it doesn't make you offload your thinking. It makes you do the thinking yourself. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah yes yes yeah yeah and and you were kind of slowly you were suggesting and kind of hinting at that when you when you pointed at the pandemic as as this kind of cause for what's disassociating us and kind of disenfranchising us as a whole kind of thing because we we've been limited from that kind of direct engagement, which is definitely screwed with humanity and our motivations. And

this is something that is kind of known. And the nefarious part about it is that these entities have enough money and capital to do campaigns to cover up their tracks. And they can always just stay a little bit ahead of the game. That's why I really, really love and I endorse X. Because it is right now, as it is, it is an open ground. And with Elon making it open source it is very valuable and he seems very inclined to listening to what people have to say so i can't speak for what's going to happen with it but it is probably like the best chance we have right now in the West, at least for, um, attacking this big problem because there's enough, uh, yeah, there's enough behind X and, uh, and he like, yeah, I appreciate talking to you and this is really great, but, uh, yeah,

they're really great to hear your voice, Dr. Drew. You, you, you, you really inspired me and, and, you know, I've gone through my own stuff in my life. But very cool. Hope to maybe get to talk with you again. Well, I love your thoughts on what we've been doing. Go watch some of that stuff or listen to it and see if we're on the right track. Because that's what we're trying to do. Again, as I always tell people, I'm super moderate.

And I hate that I'm getting pushed into one camp or another. I don't want to go to any camps. I want to just sit and just hear people out and talk, share information, try to get at the truth or something like the truth or as close as we can get to it humbly. All right. So there we go. That is today's stream for you. It's been an interesting little ride.

Tomorrow, another controversial figure joins us, Dr. Pierre Corey, Kelly Victor back in here, Lois Lee and John McKinney on Thursday. And Ed Dowd comes back on next Tuesday to give us an update on his data. You guys really enjoy him. The golden boy. He's the golden boy. Susan, any thoughts before I kind of wrap things up here?

No. I'm looking at the restream and I'm looking at the Rumble Rants. Turnout today on Rumble. There was a good turnout? Mm-hmm. That's because of candace everybody's gonna be boycotting youtube because russell brand got demonetized i i'm not i think he got more than demonetized i think they froze his channel or something

uh for the moment uh certainly demonetized uh i think he was moving over to rumble anyways like i think that was sort of it but he kept the other one because he had been censored a few times along the way all right haven't we all welcome to the club the restream guys are on me for having used a bad word it's just not it's not no that's cool yeah that's tom cigars he's just i know what he's doing they're getting on to you for apologizing for using a bad word. I know. No, I know. I know. I know what they're doing. But it's just not proper form. That was even funnier, actually.

I couldn't stop giggling because you were, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. There are certain things I won't apologize for. Candace laughed when you said it, though. I know. I like seeing her smile. It's good.

That's just not, I don't know. I know. But that is... I like seeing her smile. It's good. That's just not... I don't know. I don't feel good. If I felt okay about it, I wouldn't apologize. I don't feel okay about it. It's okay. You get one once in a while.

I can do this. Okay. So anyways, I'm looking at you guys on the Rumble Rants. Oh my goodness. Emily Barsh is blowing up my computer screen.

Tom Cigar is in. Also, I'd like to announce Drew's new show, Troll Dr. Drew. Oh yeah, but Tom's been my trainer, my troll trainer. Things to Drew. Let's see, look at Drew, if you have any questions.

Yes, I see that, Tom's. Shaka ne de milion de dollars on Donny Israel, palizze tazini. Okay, the United States is paying a lot of money to Israel, she's saying, or Eric is saying. Why not give it to South America?

Okay. That's the love topic. You guys are all going. Yeah, we're on Rumble. Somebody on YouTube, Ellie Flant, she said, is Dr. Drew on Rumble also? So we're on Rumble, YouTube, Twitch, Twitter,

and Facebook. So pick your poison. Facebook isn't a lot of people, but we know you're out there. And Eric, who wrote to me in French, it's one of the reasons I got obsessed with the French Revolution. I started listening to a lot of French television about history and I started going down a

rabbit hole. And by the way down a rabbit hole with the, and by the way, Eric, I don't know if you're French or not, but the way the French distort the behavior of their patriots, it's just extraordinary. We used to do that here too a lot. I guess we still do it just a different way. Not so much in terms of how men treat women. There, how men treat women is glossed with all kinds of uh

cultural uh prettiness the particular people were great artists all right we'll leave it at that um a nice there's some nice if you don't like youtube you're gonna love rumble because people are kind of fun over there okay we'll leave it at this we thank you we'll see you guys behave three o'clock with kelly victor and dr pierre cory we'll see you there ta- We thank you. We'll see you guys tomorrow. You behave. Three o'clock with Kelly Victor and Dr. Pierre Corey. We'll see you there. Ta-ta. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis,

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