Ask Dr. Drew - Cardiac Arrest In Healthy Young People After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination: New Data From Dr. Peter McCullough & Nicolas Hulscher – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 461

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

“Unheralded cardiac arrest among previously healthy young people without antecedent illness, months or years after coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination, highlights the urgent need for risk stratification,” Dr. Peter McCullough and Nicolas Hulscher say in recently-published medical paper. “The numerous studies highlighting serious cardiovascular safety concerns related to COVID-19 vaccines have raised public and physician awareness,” they concluded, warning that physicians should have a “pre-established approach” for handling patients with these side effects. Nicolas Hulscher, MPH, is an epidemiologist and administrator at the McCullough Foundation. He earned a BS in Pre-Health Professional Studies from Oakland University in 2020 and an MPH in epidemiology from the University of Michigan in 2024. Born in Michigan, he has co-authored 16 scientific manuscripts on COVID-19 vaccine injuries, treatments, and H5N1 Bird Flu origins. Find more at https://x.com/NicHulscher 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We will be joined today by Nicholas Hulscher. He's a MPH epidemiologist, administrator at the McCullough Foundation. He has lots of experience. He was trained at the University of Michigan, born in Michigan, has co-authored 16 manuscripts on the COVID vaccine injury treatments and H5N1 bird flu origins. I think we're going to be doing a lot of bird flu here today. Nick Hulscher and I see H-U-L-S-C-H-E-R-O-N-X and the sub stack is thefocalpoints.com.

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Welcome back everybody. at drdu.com slash fatty 15. Welcome back everybody. It is Nick Hulshur day today from the McCullough Foundation. In addition to a little bird flu talk, we'll get into measles. We'll also get into what are being called unheralded cardiac arrest and previously healthy individuals, which is the kind of thing I've been seeing for quite some time and got in a humbly described as a shit ton of pushback

for just saying when I'm blanking on the kid's name now, the Baltimore Raven that fell out with a cardiac arrest. I just said, another one, I didn't know what was causing it, just another one, we need to explain this. Oh my God, oh my God. Help me Lamar Hamlin. Lamar Hamlin, yes, Lamar Hamlin. Oh my God.

Oh, how dare you, how dare you. You should read all the garbage that was pouring down on me just for saying another one, because I'd seen a lot of this. We had to pull the tweet up, Caleb. Let's see if my memory serves right. All I said was another one and this needs to be explained. That's all I remember saying.

But Nicholas Hulscher, H-U-L-S-C-H-E-R, Nick Hulscher, and I see H-U-L-S-C-H-E-R-N-X, thefocalpoints.com is the sub stack. Nick, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. So let's start with these unheralded so-called cardiac events. I think we all had a sense something was going on. We were sort of seeing things that didn't feel right to us. We had Assim Mulhatra identifying it early and often that accelerated coronary disease

seemed to be some of the story. Then we see myocarditis paracarditis sort of being well documented in young males. And then we have even subsequently more cardiovascular death at an extraordinary scale and the public is just starting to become aware of it. How do we understand all this? Yeah, so we recently actually yesterday published a study in the World Journal of Cardiology. It's titled risk stratification for future cardiac arrest after COVID-19 vaccination. And what we did in this study was first,

it's the first study to fully elucidate the syndrome known as COVID-19 vaccine induced cardiac arrest. And how this happens is you get injected with mRNA injections. The mRNA travels within lipid nanoparticles to all organ systems, including the heart. And once it's in there, your cardiomyocytes start to produce a spike protein.

And also this spike protein is found circulating in the bloodstream, which can also reach the heart. There's now over 320 peer-reviewed studies showing that the spike protein alone is highly pathogenic. And so it gets in the heart and then some people have symptoms, some people don't. They get myocarditis. This has seen 600% increased risks of myocarditis after mRNA injections based on the largest COVID-19 vaccine safety study ever conducted with 99 million people in it. So they get myocarditis, have symptoms or no symptoms.

And we found that the trigger for this cardiac arrest is usually in the waking, morning hours of sleep, 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. or during sports or exercise when there's a surge in catecholamines, including dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. And so we elucidate the syndrome. Let me stop you, let me stop you, let me stop you. So cardiac events are known to occur

in those two settings, right? In that phase of sleep when catecholamines rise and then of course during exercise and exertion, oxygen demands and catecholamines rise. And then of course, during exercise and exertion, oxygen demands and catecholamines go up. But this doesn't happen in young healthy people. This happens in the, either somebody with intrinsic heart disease, often advanced myocardial disease,

or very elderly, right? Right, correct. It's not supposed to be seen in young healthy adults as we've seen since 2021, since these cardiotoxic injections rolled out. But in our study also we lay out and Dr. Peter McCullough employs this risk stratification protocol in his practice. We lay out how do you stratify who's at high risk, who's not. Well, first you've got to test their spike antibodies.

Are they high or low? We currently don't have a direct measurement for circulating spike protein, and so we have to rely on these antibodies. And so if it's high, they're at high risk, and then we have to go into further cardiac imaging if they have symptoms also high risk. If they have no symptoms, so they took the shot, nothing wrong, no post-exertional fatigue, no fatigue or massive cardiac complications

and their spike antibodies test low, then they'll be put in low risk. And so we risk stratify and, because unfortunately the federal government under the Biden administration did absolutely nothing to risk stratify and to, to, to find who's at high risk of these cardiac events and who received these products. No, no, I would disagree. I would disagree very strongly with you. They did risk stratify those of us who are raising the issue as problematic and misinformance and to be taken down to quote, I think it was Redfield or one of those guys, a devastating takedown. Yeah, we were the risk, not the

illness, not the vaccine, not the spike protein. Oh, okay. What world are we living in? All right, keep going. Yeah, so you're right, they did. They risk stratified us out. They said we're misinformation super spreaders, we're killed millions by preventing people from getting vaccines. So yeah, they labeled us as the criminals here.

But unfortunately, they seem to be the criminals here because they pushed this product on the entire population, including six month olds, everyone older than six months. I mean, absolutely ridiculous. Still, still, still, still. That is so disturbing to me. But let me cut, we're going to circle back to the myocardial and the coronary pathology in a second.

But the thing that I'm just preoccupied with these days is, and you said it in no uncertain terms, spike protein is the pathogenic mechanism. It is a spike-opathy. Spike is what's causing all the problems. So if you were to create a vaccine against an illness in which the pathogenic organism has a protein that causes the illness,

the last thing you would do would want to produce more of that protein, right? Now, in an emergency, I understand. Yeah, the absolute last thing, like if it would sort of be kind of murderous to do that, it would be unthinkable. But I understand. Yeah, the absolute last thing, like if it would sort of be kind of murderous to do that, it'd be unthinkable. But I understand in an emergency and that things are fog of war, blah, blah, blah, they went for the spike protein. Okay. I'll sign off on that. Why are we continuing to force that those two vaccines, when there are other options that don't primarily produce spike.

And as I'm sure you'll point out as we go along here, in some individuals, the production of spike is extraordinary. I have a friend who we've interviewed a couple of times on this show, bring it back. He's still struggling who after his booster is when things went off the rail. You don't know when all of a sudden the spike is going to become unregulated or suddenly massively produced and persist. Like you're saying,

you're inferentially showing persistence with the antibody. I saw somebody on Twitter saying, oh, what could be worse than spike antibody? Yeah, I get what you're saying. I get it. We want spike on antibodies so we don't get COVID. But we don't run shit tons of circulating spike. So we need to are you guys planning to address that to try to find some sort of way to

some sort of antigenic mechanism to look at the actual circulating spike? Yeah, well, that's what really needs to be developed right now is a test that's widely accessible, cheap, everyone can go to CVS and get their own test to see how much spike protein circulates in their blood. But we have to remember it's spike protein along with these frame shifted proteins that can also be a result because this mRNA is not perfect so your body's going to not only

produce spike but these other unknown proteins that are going to also cause issues. But so regarding spike, there was a recent study out of Yale that just came out. They found spike 709 days after vaccination in someone with post vaccination syndrome. So this isn't long COVID, this is long vaccine. And so it stays long COVID, this is long vaccine. And so it stays in the body. It causes damage. Or by the way, could be vaccine plus COVID. I'm prepared.

We just have to ask the effing questions that we were not been allowed to ask the questions. This is, I was just doing Laura Trump's show on Fox. She has a new show there. And she's like, what are you so excited about with RFK Jr. and the driver's seat there at HHS? And I said that somebody's going to ask questions. We're allowed to ask questions.

Scientific inquiry is questioning, questioning, questioning. That's what it is. Trust the science, then you're trusting the questioning. Not the results, the questioning. That's the scientific method. Penetrating physical universe with the scientific method, which is very delicate and not particularly, doesn't particularly provide a lot of information per study.

It's about confirming or disconfirming a hypothesis. That's it. And then moving forward with another one and then reproducing that, be that as it may. The fact that he is allowing us to ask questions again is extremely important. And so one of my questions would be as it pertains to the Yale study. And by the way, Dr. Yogendra, who we've had on this show many, many times throughout the COVID debacle and Dr. Patterson, whom he works with, have documented the exact same thing and have been unable to publish this because no one will touch it.

Do you see how insane that is? That is RICO violation stuff, which is another thing that RFK Jr. plans to get at. That is RICO shit. You take the science as it comes and then you address the means whereby those conclusions were made. You can sort of criticize them in many, many ways, and you can try to reproduce it yourself and disconfirm it or confirm it. But you don't prevent it from publication.

That is beyond in my world, that I've never imagined a world where people can't get science published because it's unpopular. Think about that. It's an unpopular finding. It's disgusting. It is disgusting. I'm sorry. I took you way off course, but there we are.

So, by the way, so let me just reframe my thing, speaking of frame shifts, which was, I'm prepared to accept this is COVID, vaccine, COVID plus vaccine. I'm prepared for all of it because guess what? In science, you just take the data as it comes, but you have to ask the question. And your evidence so far, because of the massive duration of the spike in, the Patterson group is finding it in

what are called non-classical monocytes. And those non-classical monocytes are intercalating into the central nervous system and not going through their normal cycle of apoptosis, which they're persisting causing inflammation and God knows what in the brain. I'll let you, I've done my rant. I'll let you have it now.

Well you're absolutely right about the Ricoh act. I call it the academic journal cartel. What they've done, they've formed a group. It contains Elsevier, Springer Nature and others. And what they do is they systemically target researchers and they retract their papers and they retract all papers that counteract the narrative that they want. And so basically anything that's against these products are retracted and they try and defame us. And this has happened to us multiple times. This has happened to basically everyone

trying to expose these harms. And so this is a criminal and yeah, they are subject to violating multiple laws. And so I would advise them to stop preventing vital pharmaceutical product data from reaching the public. Well-framed, I like the way you described it, vital pharmaceutical data from reaching the public. See precisely what they're doing. I want to address something I just saw on the Restream. Somebody is saying, well, why did you vaccinate your elderly patients?

I'll tell you why, I would do it again. I vaccinated my elderly patients because they were at serious risk from COVID. You were not. My 85 and nine year old patients were and some died. And when I had something to offer them, I looked at the data. Now mind you, the data was off. I didn't, I did not know some of the shortfalls of the Pfizer data that perhaps

I should have known. I think I still would have used it. Uh, and they benefited. They stopped dying and I saw zero adverse events in the elderly patients. Most of them wanted a booster. I sort of supported that. I didn't recommend it, but I said, okay. But we started getting two and three boosters. What I started telling all my patients was this is on, this is up to you because I'm not recommending it because I have no idea what we're doing. I don't know what we're doing. This is a booster for a pathogen that left the Southern California area where I practiced six months ago. Now there was all this data, I would still reduce the seriousness of illness. No, no, I don't buy it. I don't buy it. And at what risk? At what risk? I couldn't tell

at what risk yet because they wouldn't give us the data and they still haven't given us that data. So let's see who is asking this of me. Somebody asked me, was it Dexter? Did you ask the question or Marine or, uh, bro, bro, bro, truth, bro truth. Asked me that question. And, um, so it was, it was, uh, challenging times. I would still do it again. Uh, I would, I don't know if I would have boosted at all and would give them, we know now, but I definitely would have given the vaccine. And I actually only elderly patients did not seem to be getting as much side effect in my experience. I know Steve

Oh crap help me. Yeah, caleb steve last name from a silica valley Steve kirsch disagrees with me that there was lots of Cardiac events in the elderly. I I didn't see it. I did see atrial fibrillation in one 100 year old Here's my story with that. And this was way down the line. And she insisted on like multiple boosters. She had severe, she had rapid ventricular response, atrial fibrillation at home, in a nursing home.

She was 100. She would not come into the hospital. I had to treat it as an outpatient. anticoagulation was a major risk for her, which is what you normally do with atrial fibrillation. And thankfully my skill and luck, she got through it and there was no consequence. I made a report to VAERS. VAERS said, thank you. I followed up twice with VAERS.

No response, zero response as though they looked at it and went, Oh, no relation here. No relation. She had that that had a rhythm. Within hours of her vaccine, it was definitely related. So let's go back to where, where you were a few minutes ago, we're gonna take a break in a minute too. I'm I'm. I haven't unloaded this stuff in a long time and I've got similar anxiety or agitation about the bird flu. We'll get to that too.

But so let me bring you back on course with another piece of history. You've been talking so far about myocardial inflammation, correct? So the inflammation becomes a source of abnormal rhythms. When heart muscles get inflamed, they leak. And when they leak, they contract. And if the contracting is spreading at all,

or if it's dysregulated, you can get ventricular fibrillation suddenly. You can get all kinds of things. You have VTAC, you have whatnot. So that's what you were looking at. Let me tell you another thing that I observed and that Asim Al-Hatred thought thought he was observing or believe strongly he was observing. I saw a couple of cases of very advanced coronary disease in young men who had no risk factors, like zero risk factors,

and typically one vessel, one vessel with like such severe disease that we had to use the rotablade. We couldn't just do stenting, which is, that's weird. That's a weird cardiac lesion. Single vessel, long, hard, rotablade, male, 40 year old male with no antecedent risk factors. I would sort of call that unheard of. Did you, have you been hearing about stuff like that?

And is that vaccine? Is that COVID? Is that both? What do you think? Yeah, I've been hearing all sorts of cardiovascular syndromes from the shots. In fact, basically every one you can count under the sun has been attributed or at least linked to these mRNA shots. And so, yeah, none of that's unexpected.

It's just one spot. It wouldn't surprise me if that's just some spike producing spot. It transfected those cells and then caused all sorts of damage. But regarding the cardiac inflammation of myocarditis, their heart basically becomes irreversibly scarred. And then they have long-term abnormalities. I believe the figure for that, it's like five to 10%, maybe 20%, still have this long-term issues.

And so it's not necessarily transient, like the public health authorities claim. And transient, okay. so in my world, when my kids got viral illnesses when they were young, the dreaded complication of any viral illness would be myocarditis. That's the one thing I was worried about. Oh shit, no myocarditis.

And now all of a sudden, myocarditis becomes mild, becomes inconsequential, like what's the big deal? It is a major deal. And what you're describing in terms of these long-term effects is changes in cardiac or myocardial performance. And sometimes if that damage is diffuse, you need a cardiac transplant. So do we have any data yet on that kind of progression? That's what I've been really worried about

for quite some time. Actually in our primary autopsy paper, a systematic review of autopsy findings and deaths after COVID-19 vaccination, among the 326 autopsy reports and organ restricted autopsy reports, we did identify one case that did get myocarditis shortly after the shot

and they did require a heart transplant. So it has been documented. This definitely needs further research and it's most definitely has caused the need for a transplant in many individuals that we are unaware of at the moment. I'm sure, well, and some of it takes years to develop. I mean, to be fair, it's a cult until it's not. And what is your theory on the variability of the incidence of this?

Do you have a pathogenic mechanism that some people get it, some don't? Sometimes it's the third booster, sometimes it's the first shot. It's kind of all over the place. I personally don't have a cohesive pathogenic theory about this. Do you have one? Yeah, well, first I'll say we have detected in one of our other studies,

excess cardiopulmonary arrest after COVID-19 vaccination in King County, Washington. We did detect a massive safety signal for excess cardiac arrest deaths in a highly vaccinated population about 98% of the eligible population got one of these mRNA shots and that's over two million people. And we found a 1200% increase in these excess cardiac arrest. That's 25% increase in total cardiac arrest.

So we expect when you look at large population sample sizes, usually a study will detect these increased risks. But regarding the mechanism, we do think it is probably because of the spike protein, especially when we look at a paper by a bow Meyer and colleagues, they found spike directly in the cardio myocytes in, uh, in myocarditis patients and the study by Yonker found circulating spike, um, in, in patients with myocarditis.

And so we suspect that's the cause, but again, we have to look at the batches, the, there's massive batch variability. Some people receive duds basically. I mean, literally they have no adverse events, no side effects. And then some people, they get their shot. They're on the floor. They can't breathe. And then a few weeks later, they die of a pulmonary embolism or cardiac arrest. And so you have to, yes, we have to consider batches for sure.

Have you been working with Sasha Lotopova on this issue? I mean, she is massively concerned about the pharmacological, how should we say it? The production aspect of the pharmacology. I have not been working with her, no. Oh, you need to acquaint yourself. Jay, look at her substack and subs.

And Caleb, I don't know if we can throw some of her stuff up here while we're talking. I have to put something to rest here right now. This is from, looks like YouTube, Triadistic. Triadistic says, Dr. Drew made money on the shots. Please tell me how. Please tell me how I did that. Because the shots were given by pharmacies, not by me,

and they were paid for by the federal government, weren't they? Didn't the government have, for a while, they were paying for everything? And exactly where did I make money on that? That's really interesting. Yeah, if they find that money, can they also let me know,

because I would get a commission on that money, and I haven't seen the check on from the big pharma. Well, because it makes, this whole idea that doctors make money from pharmaceutical anything is the weirdest thing I've ever seen How exactly would that work the only way and I mean the only way that a doctor these days? gets paid by pharmaceutical company is if they are working for the company, they're a salaried employee or They're paid for speaking engagements because they believe what they're saying about some pharmaceutical agent is true and

They're paid a couple thousand dollars per speaking thing whatever but when people open a prescription pad That that's the end of it for the doctor. That's the end and if the doctor by the way Welcomes, let's say let's say I give a lip tour, but what's something that's still trade available. Well lip tour back when Wasn't a Pfizer was making it. Let's say I gave a lip tour prescription then and Lipitor, but what's something that's still trade available? Well, Lipitor back when, wasn't it? Pfizer was making it. Let's say I gave a Lipitor prescription then. And then I allowed a Pfizer drug representative into my office.

I would hear from the state, there would be a violation. I can't even, can't accept a pen. You know, think how different that is than your senators and Congress people who take money from these people all the time. Now the reason physicians don't take anything from these drug companies is there's reason to believe that it can affect our judgment and we don't want to do that. So there we go. In fact,

Drew, you- So crazy that people don't understand the system at all. Yeah. You're in fact constantly punished for the stuff that you say on this show and it actually just happened again because TikTok alerted us that said that your life, oh that's my boy running away, your live is now restricted today because of the topics that you're talking about. So no one is gonna see it on TikTok. Oh, that's interesting. Here's by somebody on, somebody, oh sure, where'd he go? There's somebody on the rant who accused me of getting kickbacks. How would that work? There's no kickback. You can't get a kickback on. As a physician, here's how you're paid as a

physician. You see the patient, you write or document a record, and then you apply to Medicare a bill for the amount of time spent and then Medicare pays you. That's it. That's the totality of how you make money as a physician. There's no other ways you can do it practicing medicine. Now there are doctors that are paid by hospitals that are employed, but then the hospital gets those that employment paid for by applying to Medicare and the insurance company per visit, and that's it. That is the practice of medicine today.

People don't understand how restricted it is. They just don't get it. They imagine, Diane says, I'm backpedaling. How am I backpedaling, Dan? I'd love to hear it. I worked in pharmacy. We got so much crap. I wonder why he doesn't know about this.

Green Grammy, you may be talking about days gone by. Days gone by, and maybe pharmacists still do get stuff, but as a physician in California anyway, maybe it's different in different states, but in California, you can't so much as, they will not, they actually won't come into your office anymore because there's such a, what they do is send you paperwork saying, would you like pens would you like some samples for your patients and of course free

samples for patients is a good thing right don't we agree that getting free medicine for the patients is a good thing if we can get it but we do not want to listen to the sales bullshit by the pharmaceutical companies okay so let us take a quick break here. We got a lot more to talk about. We got to get into bird flu. We got to still talk more about vaccines, mRNA vaccines, and mRNA vaccines generally. I mean, they are still on the table. People are still producing, developing them. And I wonder if you have concerns about them generally. Other than your X and Substack, anywhere else you want people to go? generally. Other than your X and substack, anywhere else you want people to go?

Um, that's it. You can go on my LinkedIn if you want just at Nicholas Hulscher. All right, Nick Hulscher, you see it up there on the screen and I see H-U-L-S-C-H-E-R. We'll be right back after this. If there was ever a time to be rationally ready, it is now. I urge you to consider getting one of the emergency kits from the wellness company. Because CWC has seven different kits that are customized for a variety of situations. Wouldn't be a bad idea to take a look at each considering, say, what we've just been through in California with the fires. I was happy to have the field kit on hand and the contagion kit in particular is suited for what is being predicted to be the next outbreak

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I could do it. Susan has left the building. Is that something you are aware of? I don't think there is one today. Okay. If Emily can text you, I'll be happy to do so a little later. Again, people are, it's so interesting to watch people on the restream, on the rants, somebody worked in a pharmacy in Arizona that insists doctors got kicked back.

How? Now, there was a thing, I'm thinking about this, where I guess pediatricians were paid some sort of bonus from the state or the insurance companies or something if they properly vaccinated. That is definitely something that happens with the electronic medical record. When doctors do what the state or the insurance company wants them to do, they get reimbursed at a little higher rate.

So maybe that's what you're talking about. I don't participate in any of that stuff, so I'm not really aware of how that works, but I am aware that there are things like that out there. But again, in terms of kickbacks, that means like the doctor would get another $100 a month or something for properly vaccinating or something like that. Okay, let's bring Nick Hulshur back in here.

Have we said what we need to say about the risks of mRNA vaccines? We have other ones sort of being proposed. I actually have no concern if it's for cancer. If you have something with a life threatening illness, you want to try anything dangerous, I'm for it if it helps reduce the death rate from the cancer.

And we do that all the time. We call it chemotherapy. But do you have concerns about mRNA generally? I have major concerns, particularly about these new self-amplifying replicon injections in which that was just approved for adults 18 years and older in the European Union, as well as in Japan a few years ago. And now they're trialing them here in America

by Arcturus Therapeutics funded by the Gates Foundation as well as BARDA. And so they're developing these and the problem with self-amplifying mRNA is it basically acts like a virus in your body. It gets in there, it starts to self-replicate and you're going to have massive antigen production, toxic antigen production. Who knows how long it's gonna replicate for, who knows if it's gonna shed,

and it's just an absolute disaster and it risks a permanent damage to populations, they have to be stopped. Okay, so if I, this is interesting because I feel like the concerns about the mRNA vaccines have evolved and I'm sort of somewhat neutral on this, which is before there was lots of concerns about the lipid nanoparticles. There was concern

about DNA contamination. There was concern about spike. There was concern about persistent spike production, but you're saying there's a general concern for mRNA with this sort of on Should use the word regulated. Yeah unregulated production of antigen That gets turned on in some people after some exposure of some stuff And if the antigen we're looking for or that we're trying to expose the immune system is somewhat we're looking for, or that we're trying to expose the immune system is somewhat should be limited, then there's no telling what might happen. Is that a good way of framing what you're saying? Yes, yes.

Well, basically, so the conventional mRNA shots, if you have DNA contamination in them, you have spike producing DNA plasmids from the manufacturing process contained still in the lipid nanoparticles, these could transfect your cells and integrate into their genome and will just forever be spike production factories. But the other point was just specifically the self-replicating ones that are upcoming on the pipeline with 33 now in development. Those are seriously concerning in my opinion, and we shouldn't approve those. I mean, so just because the conventional mRNA shots were approved, all of a sudden the biotech companies are developing all sorts of mRNA products, including these new replicon

ones, and many more, including the recently the HHS paused the trial that was set to begin with an oral COVID-19 vaccine. But we looked at the trial, I mean, there was no placebo group. They compare it to another mRNA shot. And so these companies are trying to bypass proper safety assessment, and that was rightfully canceled by our HHS.

I'm looking at some of the chat here and people are still concerned about the liquid nanoparticles as well. Are you worried about that? Yeah the lipid nanoparticles have been shown to have toxicity in humans. I believe there's about a hundred studies that have assessed their toxicity. There's actually a research library on it. We have published on the focal points, but yes, I am concerned about that, but that's the least of my concerns.

I'm more concerned about the payloads contained within them. But yeah, they should, I mean, if they really wanted to make it safer, they wouldn't have used these toxic LNPs. They could have figured out something safer. Well, how about continuing to push the spike? It's just, it's uncanny to me. It's just mind boggling that we are continued to push

in children, in pregnant women, in young people who have no risk from COVID, this pathogenic antigen, it's just wild. And I don't know that you're sort of on this topic as well, but I'm also concerned about the population of T cells and natural killer cells and the possibility that our immune system has been suppressed by this, by the spike. It's just another human immunodeficiency syndrome. Is it a COVID? Is it a vaccine?

Is it both? Once again, no one's even asking the question. I've seen some data that suggests cancers are up, up, up much the way heart disease is. Yeah, cancers are up. Actually, somebody named Ethical Skeptic on X, he looked at this, he gathered the CDC data and he found about 100,000 excess cancer deaths since the vaccine rolled out. And we have a paper, there's a, we don't have a paper specifically, but there is one published on Curious, this journal. They found that the COVID-19 mRNA shots

fulfill the multi-hit hypothesis of oncogenesis, mostly due to the spike protein. And also there's multiple case reports now of rare tumors, these massive ones, they appear in these strange areas. In children, in children too, there's this, you know, metastatic pancreatic cancer colon cancer is like unheard of stuff people are seeing it now and unfortunately um

i'd like to figure out a way that uh we can get somebody to do the research again it won't it won't get published you can't get published this is the thing that's just out of out of hand but i i don't know. So speaking about a hand, let's flip over to bird flu, right? So I don't know if you're aware, but the New England Journal of Medicine published a entire article yesterday on bird flu, okay?

And in that article, they start with, oh my God, the animals are sick, it's spreading, it's all over the place, people are presenting, humans are having contact, they need to use their PPEs. And then it went on to say, but so far, except for one case, it's only been, well, there was one hospitalization with bird flu and that person was hospitalized for something else and they found bird flu and that goes down

as hospitalized for bird flu. Thank God any JM was honest about that. All the other cases were conjunctivitis and maybe some cold symptoms save one which was a Canadian case I believe of an obese adolescent female with multiple medical problems I'd like to know more about what happened in that case because it's not it doesn't just fit together as simple bird flu I'm guessing multiple things happened there but the the bottom line in spite of serious warnings in this article, is this it? Maybe I have it right here.

I think this is it. Yeah. Uh, the bottom line I took away from the article was, uh, nothing to see here. Like literally nothing to see. And why are we worried about this? And why does the public know anything about this? And why do I even know anything about it? It should be strictly the domain of agriculture.

Why are we even discussing this? What do you say? Yeah, this current H5N1 bird flu outbreak began in 2021, late 2021, 2022, and we actually have a peer-reviewed paper out that suspects it may have been due to laboratory activities at the Southeast Bull Tree Research Laboratory. We actually found that a certain strain, so CLAD2344B, that's the current CLAD circulating, and then there's specific genotypes, so it defines the strain even more. We found this genotype B1 first originated in Georgia at the beginning of this outbreak. And so basically in very close proximity to this lab that was actually doing serial passage

gain of function with this clad. And then all of a sudden... Wait a second. I want to say, look at the, by the way, look at the title of the New England Journal article from yesterday. Highly pathogenic. Highly pathogenic? One person got sick?

How is that highly pathogenic? That's so weird. Think about that. Drew, is this article you're- That's something in the Journal of Medicine. Is this the right article? I think, is it from yesterday? No, it's from December 31st of 2024.

Unless it was just published, this is the latest one that I was able to find. I can't imagine that. I'm just looking right now for the one. I copied it and pasted it into my mail, and I'm worried that it got, it may have gotten lost here somewhere. Well, that Garg paper is important as well.

We can talk about that Garg paper, that New England Journal of Medicine one. Go ahead. Go ahead. So what that study found was kind of shocking. 100% of the human cases linked to poultry exposure were due to mass depopulation activities. So when they mass cull the chickens, it's the only source of chicken to human transmission. And that's about 20 human cases right there.

And so basically this mass calling is a disaster. This study also showed that 90% had pink eye, only 30% had respiratory symptoms. And so they were all mild. And then after this study came out, we had that death so-called of bird flu, but it was probably with bird flu, not of it. Right. One, well, no, no, no. So, so there was one hospitalization, and they say it in the study, for something other

than bird flu, and one death that in a, in a person with multiple medical problems, and so something wasn't right there. So I'd like to, and of course HIPAA prevents us from learning about it. I can't see what that says. What does that say, Caleb? It says all had mild H5N1 illness. How is that highly pathogenic?

They call it highly pathogenic. Yeah, they just call it that because they say it's highly pathogenic in avian species. So in birds and ducks and chickens Um, but yeah, it's not highly pathogenic in humans. Not this strain Highly pathogenic in birds why Oh my god Uh, if I reach if I were rfk jr i'd pull that that article out. It's just case one. What are you doing?

What is the editorial process here? What is up who told you to do that? Why in what world? it's like it's like they have journalists running the New England Journal Caleb. I it was it was a blast. I get a blast on Wednesday afternoon and it's usually a new publication You may not be able to get it if you're looking for the article now, because it's, I think it's the latest. They don't actually distribute the journal until like next week.

So it might be at a sort of a early release I get. And that's where I found that article. I'll keep looking forward. It's in here somewhere. So let's talk more about Bird Flu. The one thing that actually I did get out of that article that I found interesting is I know that there's some data out there that suggests that the Tamiflu is useful against bird flu, which again is why we advocate for it with the wellness company.

Oh, I found the article. I found it. The problem is I don't know. You know, what's the title? I can look for it. Oh no, this is another article. I have a tendency to do this. I copy these articles and try this one.

Oh, here it is. Let me see if this is it. One second, hold on a second. The article is entitled. This is it. Hang on. Oh, oh, it is the December 31st one. I take it back. Why was it being published now? Hold on, guys. This is this week at New England Journal, February 27th, 2025. And yet it is releasing the Garg article. Is that the one you referenced?

The December, 2024 article? Yeah. Well, that's the one I was looking at. And in that article, so, okay, so we're talking about the same thing. In that article, one thing that did interest me was the fact that Tam Flu, as a therapeutic agent, was discussed and what they were documenting and I did not

they did not give any detail about this but they said that resistance the the virus was prone to develop resistance against Tamiflu so they advocated two antivirals did you see that or do you have any opinion about that? Yeah I saw they did they employed multiple but I think the key thing there was they it seems like they detected them early and they treated them early. And so that again reaffirms how important early treatment is in these cases. And so people, the general population has nothing to worry about with this current clad, very mild, way less deadly than past H5N1 outbreaks,

like we saw in Egypt, completely different pathogenicity profiles. And yeah, I wouldn't be afraid in lineup for self-replicating mRNA shots by Arcturus Therapeutics. Emily Barsh sent me an article about Anthem Blue Cross, I guess, or just Anthem, and their vaccine incentive program. I can't figure out, Emily, maybe you could read

the article more carefully. I'm just scanning it. What the incentive actually is. I can't imagine it would be more than $10. How much, do you see how much they're giving per? I don't know the actual money amounts, but I do know from- That's what I'm looking for.

Like it's an old screenshot of a document that was from Blue Cross Blue Shield, if I'm thinking of the actual money amounts, but I do know from... That's what I'm looking for. Like it's an old screenshot of a document that was from Blue Cross Blue Shield if I'm thinking of the same one because I've seen it spread around. Well, Anthem does administer some of that stuff. When you dig into it, when you dig into it, on one side I understand why people can see

that it looks like its doctors are getting paid to vaccinate people, but it's kind of a backwards way that the insurance companies, I don't know if they still do it, but from that sheet that I've seen spread around, it's if you can get a certain percentage of all of your patients,

then you get some sort of a bonus as a way of incentivizing the doctors. That was like, it's not so much that like every individual patient has to have the vaccine, it's that insurance companies will end up having to pay less for that patient's health care in their belief if all of, if a majority of that doctor's patients are vaccinated, so then they get bonuses, but it's not an enormous thing, and I don't even know if they still do that. And I think that was for pediatricians.

In this article, it's pediatricians we're talking about, it says in this one, physicians can charge with a vaccine appointment, an administrative fee for each vaccine, which is usually like 10 bucks, an office visit fee, which is, they would normally get that, and cost for non-vaccine services during a vaccination appointment. They would not get away with that.

For those on Medicaid, doctor bills the state, so it doesn't apply. So I'm going to say it's, go ahead. You might not be as aware of it because like what I've seen, all the documentation I've seen are for pediatricians. And so it's for pediatrics. This is a pediatric thing. Yeah, so it's not across all doctors. Most internists, look, most internists

don't maintain vaccines. We recommend it and they go to the pharmacy for their vaccines because it's too, you can't, it's too expensive. We, you know, we get $35 a visit or $40 a visit. I mean, this is, come on. And so, you know, for the flu, the high folk, for the shingles, for all these things, RSV,

it's not us doing it because we can't, we just can't do it. It's just too hard. And by the way, you don't get much of anything for your efforts. Okay, so back to the bird flu. So if somebody has a suspicion of a exposure or let's say they get a conjunctivitis,

should they take the two agents? Right now it seems to be indicated that yes, if you do develop symptoms or early treatment with antivirals is indicated, but also nasal sprays, iodine-based, xylitol-based nasal sprays have shown efficacy. There's now about five studies, I think, that show that this does indeed prevent

avian influenza transmission and propagation in the nasal pharynx. And this is going to stop transmission in humans and even animals. I mean, they should be treating animals, not killing all of them. I know, I know. So they were recommending

Ostal. I always always choke on the name of this drug. It's it's uh let's see they have Tamiflu and then the other one was the other one they recommended. I don't I the the once a day one or a single dose when I forget what it's called. In any event it makes sense to me I mean just look at how we treat HIV right we use three agents. Viruses mutate so readily, you have to kind of hit them for multiple, same thing with bacteria to some extent, but viruses very much so. So to me, there's nothing unusual about needing two agents

for a severe viral illness. But yes, to your point, in addition to my amazement on our continued focus on spike, I'm equally as gobsmacked by our continued focus on masking. When we know that nasal lavage, even saline nasal lavage is as good or superior when it comes to COVID certainly, probably for bird flu though I don't know that for sure, but superior to masking.

That the ACE binding site is in the nasopharynx, and it's very easy to dislodge virus before it has a chance to find its way into our cells with a simple nasal lavage. That's what I use if I'm worried about exposure, or if I've been to the airport or something, I'll just do a nasal lavage. And I have extreme confidence

that I've done something that will reduce my risk What do you say to that? Do you need the betadine for bird flu or no? Yes, it's a very smart option if you're exposed to these chickens you go to these farms You go go where these cows are that are infected. Yeah use these nasal sprays and gargles that'll prevent That'll prevent it from getting in you infecting you much better than a mask will. We have to remember a co-crain review that came out a few years ago found masks literally do nothing in stopping the transmission of SARS-CoV-2. And we also have to remember what's inside of these masks. There's all sorts of toxic heavy metals they found.

This was a recent study on PFAS and all of these volatile organic compounds that are toxic. You breathe it directly in, it's right against your face. And so, yeah, we can't go back to masking. Didn't work, was a complete failure. So here's an article that Bro Truth is putting out entitled COVID-19 and illegal US bioweapons activity and insider's revelations by Dr. Klassen published in Trends in Internal Medicine. That's very interesting. I've not read that. Is that a new article Bro Truth? You can you don't

have to put the money down for that. Just tell me is it new or not when was published. I'd be very interested in getting into that but as it pertains to mask I'm sorry. I'm getting a little weird here with my throat As it pertains to mask the the the problem with them people that want to defend masks will go Are you telling me that in in in 95 mask when you walk into a patient room won't be protective? No, it is. It is. If you walk into a patient room for five minutes and walk out, yes, absolutely. But the ability to maintain the seal at all times throughout your day, no matter what you're doing, no matter where you are, except out of doors, which will take the mask off, is zero.

It just doesn't work as a practical reality. Just look no further than mask up between bites. That statement should go down in the history books as one of the most insane statements ever made as it pertains to infection control. Mask up between bites. Mind-boggling. Okay, so, mask up between bites. Mind-boggling. Okay.

So, uh, people, Eric is asking, but what am I doing? I'd like to know more about that. Kaye prays $100 per visit at my doctor's office. That might be some, some cities do do that, and that is not a Medicare. Because Medicare determines

what doctors can charge. And it's usually like 40 or 50 bucks. I'm sorry, I'm just reading the chats here. There's a lot of action going on. All right, what else? Let's come, we got a couple of minutes left. Nick, what else is on your radar going forward before we wrap this up? On our radar right now at McCullough Foundation

is we're actually actively involved in multiple state level initiatives and county level initiatives to ban the mRNA shots, especially for those under 18 that's in Idaho. But we're trying to get them off the market in general, especially the COVID-19 mRNA injections. We have provided these lawmakers with undeniable evidence for their withdrawal and we expect some positive results soon. More and more states are expected to also start to prepare legislative efforts to ban them.

And hopefully the federal government will follow suit as a result. Will, you know, it's going to be interesting to see what happens, but putting the children in their harms way this way is really something. Do you, are you guys engaged with HHS at all? Is there anything going on that way that you can talk about?

Well, I would say, well, let's just look at HHS's action so far the fact that they did just block This new trial for this new vaccine with flawed trial design without a placebo group Shows that they are making a positive actions in this aspect and I would Suspect that in the future we will see more positive actions as well. I don't think they're going to continue along with rolling out completely inadequately tested pharmaceutical products. Just not going to happen. There's going to finally be transparency. Transparency would be great.

Being able to ask questions would be great. Getting the publication process sort of unraveled in a way that allows differing opinions to and differing results to show themselves. Deal with these headlines that make no sense whatsoever. All right. I'm going to let you go. I thank you for your work and thank you for supporting the Dr. McCullough and his work. You know, we didn't talk about gosh darn it, I'm sorry, but we didn't talk about clotting and I know Dr. McCullough has

grave concerns about spike and clot formation. Give us a little primer on what you guys are thinking there. Oh, these mRNA shots are resulting in large increases in pulmonary embolisms in these blood clots found in all these people. We see now these embalmers pulling out these white fibrous clots. So we're seeing this everywhere. We see about 100 to 200% increased risks of ischemic and hemorrhagic stroke with these shots. Recent studies showed that.

And so we see these large increases, and especially pulmonary embolism. That's actually one of the leading causes of death linked to the mRNA injections. And so that's a large, large area that is also affecting people. So yeah, it's not just the heart. It is thrombotic. So it is the blood. It is the that system. And it's also the neurological system. Even the urinary system. I mean, we're seeing actually kidney failures skyrocket since the injections rolled out. So yeah, it's multiple organ systems at this point. So I'm seeing that I have to give people a primer again

on masks and aerosolized illnesses. I'll do that in just a second. Yeah, Dr. McCullough had explained to me that he actually has identified some genetic subsets that are particularly at risk with the spike and he can test for it and he can find it and he can look at it and some people should be on aspirin. There's a lot of stuff going on.

His work is really very systematic and I appreciate what you guys are doing. All right, let me let you go, Nick, and I'm going to give a little aerosol primer here. Appreciate you being here. Again, what is the name of the Substack? Substack is thefocalpoints.com and you can follow me on X at NIC Holshure.

And thank you so much for having me. You got it. Hope I'll talk to you again soon as new data comes out. Thanks, Nick. Thank you. So Stephanie goes, excuse me, doesn't infectious particles come out on droplets? Okay, so there are three ways that primary, I mean, there's

bloodborne illness, right? I think people understand that you can things like HIV and hepatitis, bloodborne. There is sexually transmitted infections, right? I think people understand that through the mucosal membranes there things can get transmitted. There is fluid transmitted. Okay. Like my hands, I wipe my nose, then I shake your hand, fluid transmitted illness. That's a lot of viruses are that way.

There's droplet. Droplets go a few feet and boom, are down. That's tuberculosis, things like that. And there are aerosol. Aerosols go 30 to 60 feet and they get through just about everything. If you have so much as a tiny wrinkle in your mask on the side, which everyone does, if you, and by the way, the surgical masks do nothing to aerosol viruses. Surgical masks are for surgery for droplets. So bacteria from the mouth doesn't spill into the surgical field, which would be horrific.

Massive infection, our mouth is full of terrible bacteria. Not to prevent viral illness, droplet or aerosolized. Now droplet will get picked up by a surgical mask to some extent. A droplet will get picked up by a surgical mask to some extent. Aerosol will not. So you have to use N95 for aerosol and if there's so much as a tiny jet steaming your glasses like we saw so many people with the steam on the glasses that mask is totally ineffective. If you have an aerosolized illness, you've just spread it 30 to 60 feet. And there's some engineers that believe

you might have increased the speed of that jet and allowed it to transmit even further, because again, the smaller opening, higher speed as the fluid moves through there, or the aerosol moves through there. So there's the fact that if you want to protect other people, again, there's no masking up between meals, between bites. There's no taking the mask off or having anything other than a

perfect seal 100% of the time. Otherwise no effect. And same with you trying to protect yourself. You have to have it perfectly sealed off. Now, do you want to argue mathematically that maybe for a few minutes it was properly sealed and maybe protected somebody or maybe you were protected when you walked past somebody? All right, except what the data shows, you're going to get the infection anyway if it's really out there.

So understand the droplets, the fluids, the aerosols, the bloodborne, these are all different forms of infectious disease transmission. And there's even fecal transmission and that kind of thing as well. So you have to be talking about the specific thing. Look, there he is.

And he doesn't, that's a surgical mask anyway, so it's not gonna do much. But everybody that says, what a surgeon's wearing a mask then? Yes, so bacteria doesn't spill into a sterile abdominal cavity or chest cavity. Yes, that's what it's for. Or hair nets, so bacteria on the hair

doesn't fall into the surgical field. Not for viruses. We're not trying to protect the anesthesiologist from the surgeon's virus. The patient is on a ventilator, right, during surgery. Anyway, it's just so nutty that people have all these strong opinions about it. People need to not have opinions about the practice of medicine anymore. It's driving me a little crazy. My friend Kat Timp became publicly announced her recent delivery

of her cute baby boy whom we met last night and that she has a diagnosis of breast cancer at CIN zero essentially, stage zero, CIN stage zero. And it's good, that's good. And she's a good, once she has been thinking about some aggressive treatments for a long time because her mother had severe advanced cancer at a young age and whatnot,

and is gonna get this taken care of and things are gonna be fine, I really do believe it now having seen the data. But nobody, but nobody should have an opinion about what she's doing in response to her condition. That should be between she and her doctor with the input of her family. That's it, period, end of story.

There should be, you should be concerned about your ethical standing if you have an opinion. And I love the way people always talk about, you can make a diagnosis about somebody's Parkinson's disease just by looking at them. Like, yeah, no, you can't. There's certain things you can look at a video of, and you can have a very, very accurate opinion about. But having an opinion about what somebody chooses to do for a treatment in a complicated situation of a given individual, a given family system, a given history, given whatever other conditions that individual has that you don't know about, you should have no opinion about it. Not unless that person wants to come in and talk to you about it and talk about it publicly,

then it's fine. All right, let me just look quickly at what you guys are saying here on the restream and then we'll wrap this thing up while I'm doing so. Caleb, you want to throw up upcoming guests there? Yeah, the Gene Hackman story is really bizarre, isn't it? Caleb, do you have any thoughts about Gary Sneaks on March 19th? Do you have any thoughts about that? No, not yet. It looks strange. It just looks very unusual. The strangest part is that the dog died too. And they didn't say the dog did. And there was another dog that was fine.

Remember there was a second dog that was totally fine I read as well, yeah. I didn't know that. It's weird. Well, here's what it smacks of. It smacks of, he was 95 years old. It smacks of the caretaker dying of something and leaving the the elderly person exposed and he eventually dies and maybe the dog died

of something you know starvation or something also or no flute no water available it's it smacks of that well I know they're treating it as a suspicious event because it is you know it's is, it kind of smacks of somebody who was responsible for somebody dying and then the care, the person dying eventually. It's sad, it's terrible, but I'm glad they're looking into it. It looks odd. The dog, had there not been a dog, I would have been certain that's what had happened, but the dog adds a interesting, hmm, to the whole thing?

Question mark. All right. I'm looking at your guys on the ramp. Caleb any questions for what we talked about today? Did you have anything that interested you? That was that's very interesting. It covered a lot and I don't know how many more papers are gonna have to come out from how many other world-leading professionals before people listen. Again it's still about just asking good questions and then using the scientific method to use those questions to develop experiments to try to answer questions around it, to try

to come closer to the truth. I'm looking at what you guys are doing. Three dogs. Somebody said they had three dogs. Is that true, Caleb? Did you see that? Two outside were fine. I mean, there could have been, yeah.

One inside. That's the latest I saw. Two outside, yeah. Two outside good, one inside deceased. Then that makes you think about things like carbon monoxide, which I think they tested for already. Yeah, that's what I read is that they tested for that and gas leaks and they said it wasn't either of those, but who knows?

They're still like digging into the case right now. Figuring it out. All right. Yes. Use the nasal sprays. I am very much an advocate. Look at the data yourself. Luke Rudowsky in here on Tuesday, three o'clock.

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