Ask Dr. Drew - CDC Suddenly Ends 6-ft Social Distancing & Quarantine Rules: What Changed? – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 111

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

Dr. Drew discusses the CDC changing their COVID-19 guidelines about 6-foot social distancing, school testing requirements, and quarantine rules. Dr. Drew also answers questions from callers about the effects of Tylenol overdose, reports of Anne Heche being under the influence of cocaine during her LA car crash, and if the Supreme Court's ruling on Roe v. Wade could affect gay marriage rights. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (http://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. SPONSORED BY • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew GEAR PROVIDED BY • BLUE MICS - After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew's iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don't need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue's lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew's Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato's Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew's streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, everybody. Welcome. We are just working over some technical stuff here. There's Susan here helping me out. Caleb's there as well. I have the damnedest time getting on Rumble every day. So here, she's going to do it for me. So today we moved the show up an hour, obviously. You can see that we're here early. And we are going to be doing calls only, just your calls, whatever you want to talk about. I thought it was a nice follow-on to what we did yesterday with Dr. Victory and Alex Berenson. A lot of material brought up Oh, and there we are and the rumble rant guys are there. Okay, we've seen you guys I'm also of course on the restream chat and I'm gonna go I'm not out yet on the Twitter spaces, which I will do right now

Hopefully Oh Caleb did you put it there? We are answering your questions now. Okay, let's get to it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. We'll be right back. gaming partner of the NBA. BetMGM.com for terms and conditions. Must be 19 years of age or older to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you,

please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. So again, I thought yesterday was a very interesting show. And as always, Dr. Victories, appreciate her point of view. She has some extreme views.

No, I wouldn't say extreme. Some clear views that I'm... Well, Susan's laughing. But she has clarity about things that I'm still reserving judgment on. And it was nice to hear Alex Beretson's point of view as well. I don't know about you, but I took out, I took away a few, talking to the two of them yesterday for me clarified some things. Again, a reason why I talk to people with different points of view from myself. One was, I didn't know that the public health community had used fear explicitly as a tool, as an instrument. I knew that fear was being deployed. I thought it was the press really just doing their thing to try

to capture more eyes, essentially, and they actually whipped themselves into hysteria and then got the country into hysteria. But according to Alex Berenson yesterday, there actually were some behavioral psychologists involved in the sort of deployment of fear to try toenson yesterday, there actually were some behavioral psychologists involved in the sort of deployment of fear to try to whip people, to try to cow people into submission for the policy of lockdown because the public health community internationally decided collectively that the Chinese Communist Party had it right, that they were doing it right. That was the correct way to deal with this virus. Whether or not there was something about the lab or the lab leak or the funding for the lab leak, I still don't know what to make of all that yet.

And people, what's that, Susan? What's the matter? You're sighing. Well, it's just communism pushing into the United States, pushing into other countries. This is how they treat communists, like the incommunist country not just tell me about totalitarianism yeah totalitarianism totalitarianism is something anathema i thought of what we were doing here but but but like in shanghai remember when they shut down again and everybody's in their houses starving to death jumping out of buildings yes that's what they want us to do.

Well, I don't know whether they want us to do it or not. The fact that we did it to ourselves is the shocking thing for me. Right. And that we used fear and the press deployed the fear. And then here's the... Well, a lot of the press was coming from China. I don't know. The propaganda, for sure.

For sure. The propaganda, but look, what prompted... They picked it up because it got... The propaganda, for sure. The propaganda, but look, what prompted the editorial journalists at the New York Times to demand a lockdown? These are journalists. They have no knowledge in public health or infectious diseases. Why did they get a vote? Why did they have an opinion? Why didn't anybody listen to them?

I mean, Alexernson wasn't doing that you sound you like this radicalized you this whole this conversation well no i'm already i already believe that i mean i and we didn't really go into that because you know because we don't know and we but we do know he did have evidence that they used fear we have known evidence in email exchanges that they they completely bought into what the c the CCP was doing as their strategy and that it was the strategy. They refused to change course when it was quite clear that it was not the correct strategy. But the other piece of clarity that I had from talking to both of them was that Section 230 about the internet and public health emergency, what do they call them, emergency privileges, the policies that they're allowed to access.

Both these things were used to to the public health and the internet major corporations through Proposition Section 230, that these are excessive and they harmed people badly. And I think we need to kind of look at that. I think we have to examine it. And I think the courts need to start at least putting some puncture holes in the extent of these potentials for power overreaches. Again, I guess I was sort of primed a little bit by reading Naomi Wolf's book, where she was really questioning this, that she sort of, again, she was almost writing a diary as this happened in

real time and was questioning, did we know that we had powers in this country that could do this to us? And are we okay with that? And that's really the question. That really is the question. So today I'm taking your calls. So whatever you'd like to talk about, I'm willing to do so. I just thought it was interesting if you had any thoughts about what Alex Berenson and Kelly Victory were saying yesterday. You just raise your hand over here at Twitter. If you missed it, check it out. Yeah, check it out, check it out, try it out. Home here now. I also, I am watching the...

Which Naomi Wolf book, Caleb wants to know. Bodies of Others, I think it is called. Bodies of Others is the new one that she's just written. And Susan, I don't think you got me onto the right... Oh, there it is. is okay ask me anything um okay i'm watching you guys over at rumble rants and i'm watching the restream see if there are any questions there it's weird when you go to the you're uh at dr drew when you well you just push dr drew up in the top of the rumble thing it the live feed doesn't pop up you have to click on

your head okay next to your latest video and it'll go to the live feed got it pop up. You have to click on your head next to your latest video and it'll go to the live feed. Got it. That's why you couldn't find it. Brandon, thank you. Brandon was actually at my lecture in Myrtle Beach. Remember, I was in Myrtle Beach

when the lockdown happened. And it was a really lovely community. I really enjoyed speaking with them and it was one of the last speeches I did for a couple of years. It's true. It was a really lovely community. I really enjoyed speaking with them. And it was one of the last speeches I did for a couple of years. It's true. And it was very, again, I was sort of shocked to see things. You were running around a lot that week, too.

And you hadn't really gotten all the pertinent information. You were doing a lot of traveling. Yeah. Yeah. And if you remember, there it is. There's Brandon's comment. And if you remember what I did was I had to, we started the Fox 11 local newscast that week from North Carolina where I was.

Myrtle Beach is North Carolina, South Carolina? The Carolinas? And that night, first broadcast, we talked to Dr. Oz and he was reporting on the whole notion of what a cytokine storm was. And so that was really the first time. I don't even wanna think about that time. So hi Brandon, so nice to see you.

Yes, and congratulations to that whole community. It was really a delight to speak to them. Yeah, I'm sure it was. Okay, let's bring Russell on up. You wanna come back, give somebody a call. Yeah, I'd love to come back there. That was a great experience. russell go right ahead hey drew i uh i've been wanting to ask your opinion on some of this stuff i hear about further rights being uh or further laws

being changed that have to do with same-sex marriage, same-sex sexual acts, things? Do you know what I'm talking about when the abortion rights issue? I know that people, that there was some logic of, again, you of Roe versus Wade seemed to threaten some of the logic that was used to defend same-sex marriages and that sort of thing. Even though literally nobody imagines this is a world where that could be threatened, it's sort of the who knows kind of thing. And again, to me, all I saw happen was federalism versus states' rights. It's this back and forth that goes back and forth in this country where power becomes centralized in the federal government and then the constitution. Some people interpret it as

constitutionally excessive and it goes back out to the states again to make decisions. If you live in a state where you feel like that kind of thing could be encumbered then get to work immediately on on some political activism in your state i mean one of the things that that uh alex de tocqueville i like to quote about his book on democracy in america or just called democracy in america he noticed was that the reason democracy worked in this country was that it was practiced locally. It was a local practice. And if you really think about what kinds of governmental agencies really affect your life,

it is your local government more than anything else, the ones that give you electricity and your water and your power and your garbage collection. And these are the people in your educational systems. This is what makes a difference in your life. The federal government is a million miles away. Yes, it'd be nice to have a federal government that had some uniformity of positions on things around civil privileges and rights. I understand that.

But if we can get it in the state's rights, then you're pretty much covered. The question is, did the Constitution intend for it to be centralized like that or not? Get it right in your state. That's sort of what I keep thinking about. What do you think? Yeah, well, I was just really curious to get your opinion on that. I had no real idea of whether that was a significant possibility, you know, something to, to really be concerned about, but just want to make sure people can still try it out, you know? Yeah. Try it out. Try it out. Exactly. I can't imagine we live in a world. I don't know what to think of it. I, again, I don't, there's so much that confuses me these days. Uh, I mean, we have to remember,

we lived in a time when people took issue with gay marriage. And then gay marriage was made the law of the land. And all of a sudden, everyone was just fine with it. And I would think that people are fine with it now. I think they were struggling with the, to me, remembering back to those days, they seemed to be struggling with the definition of marriage. What is marriage? And I think we got ourselves through that and now we're having to sort of do it on a more local level as well as on a national level. That's kind of how I see it.

Again, raise your hand if you have questions. You'll be streaming out on YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, all the different platforms. But again, people have been disappointing me so much the last couple of years, it's hard to know. I just don't think we live in a country where gay marriages would be encumbered again or disallowed again. I don't know. But who knows? It certainly does, you know, the way this system was supposed to work, you know, whether

we agree with it or not is a different issue, but the way it was sort of set up was if you don't like the government in your state, you move to another state. And I know that's sort of harsh and not even realistic for some people, but that's kind of how the system was set up. And we can argue all day about whether that's good or not, but it is kind of what they're using as their guidelines.

And I do, you know, come to California, there will not be a problem here. New York, there will not be a problem here new york there will not be a problem there i can't event uh jen lynn is saying i will not call in until you tell the truth all right jen what do i need to tell the truth about what would that be where are uh jen's grandchildren i don't know what that means is that a your mom's house thing i i don't even know jen lynn needs answers okay who's jen lynn i don't even know. Jen Lynn needs answers. Okay, who's Jen Lynn? I don't know. Who is Jen Lynn?

New person. What is your opinion on methadone? Methadone, I'm not a fan of methadone because once people get on it, it's almost impossible to get off of. If you have a situation where it's the only access you have and your life depends upon getting off the heroin, off the fentanyl, onto methadone, okay.

But suboxone is clearly superior. And even Suboxone, I've got real concerns about. Let's see. I'm reading some of these. Government should have no say-so on marriage, Tom Cigar says. Yeah, marriage is the only contract you make with society. Think about that. Contracts otherwise are between you and an organization or you and people, but the only

one you make with society at large is marriage. It's the only one. Pam asks, is Novavax safer? Don't really know yet. It's an old, it's, yeah, and it's not formatted to the newest variant yet. It is not, but it's an old platform. And if people start requiring boosters, I personally would probably get Novavax. I don't think I—

Don't you want to have people test it out first instead of being the guinea pig? You're asking me personally? Yeah. Well, I would only get the booster if I had to, you know what I mean, if I was required to travel or something. And if I were required to do that, that's probably the one I would choose. The problem is the CDC is right now sort of loosening some of their requirements,

which is good. They're not strengthening them, which is great. Sarah Mills says, Anne Heche had cocaine and fentanyl in her system. Well, that would fit the behavior. She's in big trouble. Both? Wow. Yeah, that's true. That that is really tough for her but i hope she gets well um back to uh what was i just talking about um

uh hang on a second i mean it makes sense it's well i look i just sat through two people. I was locked in a room with you for three days while you had active coronavirus. I didn't take cocaine or fentanyl, though. I traveled with Paulina. I shared utensils with her. So in a course of six weeks, I was actively just inundated with Omicron, and I got no symptoms. So my need for a booster is zero. And you've been flying all over the country without a mask on zero need for booster for me but if the bureaucracies which i have learned are

really the problem right now require me to get a booster i i would have to get it in order for us to travel and that'd be that uh i was watching people i had to go to the doctor and i was watching people wearing masks outside in 100 degree weather in pasadena and i was thinking to myself do they have they never had covid and they're just really trying not to get covid because i've had covid twice so like i know that if i get it i'm not going to die and i would like to not get it but i don't think i will i'm kind of what are you asking the people wearing masks maybe they haven't either been vaccinated or they haven't had covet anybody wearing a mask i guarantee you was vaccinated outside i guarantee you no but outside their signal that i mean i get it when you go into the hospital it's so it's a good idea to wear a mask okay because there's a good chance there's

some omicron flying around yeah but outside in the parking lot i'm just i i was just i'm still trying to figure out what their thought process is and here's this is the like they just want to be never ever have covid and say they never had it you know i don't feel like that's it they want to it's some sort of weird clinging to the virtue of this behavior. I mean, maybe they haven't been vaccinated. I've never met somebody who's masking that hasn't been vaccinated. Masking and vaccines are the same people. That's the same people. And then the masking, the really curious group to me is outdoor with a surgical mask, which

has absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Well, even just a mask outside. Like, once you go outside, it's hard to breathe, and nobody's going to give you covet outside in 100 degrees well if you remember when we were um at the airport we met a couple who was wearing a mask and i and i found it odd well the one the surgeon that i said well he was not he was not wearing in such a way that it would do anything no he was wearing his mask on the plane the whole time he sat next to me then he took it down then he took it down and put it on his chin in the so to talk to us but that that in that now it's didn't work you have to you have to it's literally

if you go in a patient room let's say yeah but his wife gave him the eyeball and made him put it back so it was more her it right and she was asian of course but what do you are you saying something i feel like more asians are wearing them in the in the airport than usual than other because that's culturally probably yeah well they were wearing them in the airport than usual, than other people. Because that's culturally more accepted? Yeah, well, they were wearing them before. Okay. They think they're better. All right, that's fine.

I have no problem with people wearing a mask to protect themselves. I have no problem with that. That makes perfect sense to me. And you wear an N95 mask, but you must wear it 100% of the time. Think in terms of going to a patient room with an infectious disease and trying to protect yourself. If I went in a patient's room, I would not lower the mask below my nose

to talk to the patient. I would leave it on perfectly the entire time I'm in the room and then I would take it off. I think he was un-virtue signaling to show you that he really thought it was bullshit and he was doing it for his life. That's what I thought.

That's what it looked like to me too. I wish I had a mask on. I fell asleep and started snorting and snoring next to him because i was so tired okay here's epic journey saying i always wear a mask outside in the summer uh because of smog okay well that's a different thing that's okay fair enough uh taylor sam says i often just don't take it off until I get to my car. Why? Okay, well, here's the one there. Okay, let's try to be rational about it. Omicron is more like measles as compared to the alpha and the delta.

The R-naught of Omicron is like 17. So there actually is some possibility of it transmitting outdoors, though practically it just doesn't happen. So to wear the mask outdoors makes no sense. Now, I understand you forget you have it on, you leave it on, that makes sense to me maybe. But it's just kind of silly to have a mask on outdoors. So I'm not sure I get what people are up to with that.

I'd like to hear. And people that do it are self-righteous about it. And I wonder what the self-righteousness is about. I mean, why do you have any feeling about it other than you're just trying to protect yourself? If you want to do that, please do so. Yes, and Jay says, it's a joke. Everyone takes it off to eat and drink.

Right, and that nullifies the effect. That makes it not work. So rational revolution indeed. Let's see. I just want everybody to have their own choices. I didn't carry a mask on. I wasn't judging him. I felt, you know.

He's a heart surgeon. He can't be off work. If it gives him that little bit more protection. As we discussed with Alex Berenson yesterday, that even New York has similar mandates to California. But we were in New York City just a couple of days ago, and nobody pays any attention to those mandates. He did tell you that he's doing more heart surgery or heart transplants. He said he was doing really lung transplants, and those were the COVIDs. We talked about heart transplants. He said he'd see a few of those and my question was was that covet or was that vaccine and it's not really we don't really

know uh what's my thought on celebrities shaving their head um you know brian when people shave their head it's often a manic symptom they get aggression symptoms or people with addiction people with bipolar mania will suddenly shave their head. That's sort of something that happens. And sometimes it's just a fashion statement. Sometimes it's just don't. Sometimes, as they say, sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke. Bien saying, wearing a mask is self-righteous. Oh, I assume that someone wearing a mask is self-righteous.

I do not assume. It has been my experience that when I talk to people about their mask wearing, they're is self-righteous. I do not assume. It has been my experience that when I talk to people about their mask wearing, they're quite self-righteous about it. And I'm wondering why they have any feelings about it. They just wanna protect themselves. Please do. Okay, let's see what else go out to you guys.

Okay. I mean, it'll protect you against other stuff too, so whatever. Against respiratory. Yeah. A cold. A cold. You can kind of avoid it. Colds are kind of on the hand.

Some are. Right. Or if you have a cold, it'd be good to wear it and not make everybody else sick. Let's see. Here's Brandon who's been a methadone for 22 years i had a horrible cold when i was on a plane sitting next to sugar ray leonard and i couldn't talk to him the whole time and uh at the end of the plane i was like sorry i couldn't say hello and he goes i said i have this runny nose i don't want to give it to you i wish i had a mask it would have been better

but he goes you need some vitamin C. Okay. This is MGO. Let's hear what you have to say. Again, when you are called up, you have to unmute your mic, which is in the lower left-hand corner of your phone, and go ahead and speak. Okay. Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey, man. What's happening? Can you hear me? I hear you. Hey. I just have a question. If we go back to the beginning of the pandemic without the fear inside of it and knowing that this could be a highly transmissible and deadly disease, wouldn't it make sense to avoid people and the lockdown would make sense at that point? The majority of transmission was in the home. So we were locking people down in the environment where most of the transmission occurred and you still had, you know, the, the workers that were essential and they got it,

uh, and they brought it home. Uh, if you could lock down perfectly where everyone just locked in a cell like China did, maybe, but the reality is respiratory viruses just do what they do. We've known that forever. The whole notion of lockdown is you will never find it in an infectious disease book anywhere. And in fact, the only time lockdown was attempted was in Venice in like the 12th century, and it turned out to be a disaster. And even the notions of lockdown that were discussed in infectious disease circles were for influenza. And it was local lockdowns, primarily schools, because kids are the primary transmitters of influenza.

No one ever, ever contemplated locking down a country. That was never contemplated. And it clearly didn't make any difference. The states that locked down did the same as the states that didn't lock down. Now, you could say it was fearful and we didn't know and they did the best they could. And I get that. And so for four months or six months, I signed up for it. When our state locked down, I said, okay, they're preparing for the worst case.

And these are hard decisions and I understand it. But after about six months, it became pretty clear that this was not going to work. And we've got to sort of think of other ways of doing this. Now, the other issue was we got to do something and get to a vaccine, right? And I, again, that's the other thing I signed up for. Let's get to a vaccine as quickly as possible. Let's distribute it.

And remember what a disaster the distribution of the vaccine was. Remember, that was a mess too. And remember what a disaster testing was. We were supposed to do testing and be able to sort of notify people who might've been exposed and to particularly keep people that were genuinely at risk of dying from this thing in a in a in a sort of isolated you know quarantine posture that that has been discussed taking at-risk populations and you know really protecting them that made sense and then the other thing that didn't make sense was sending people home who were sick and telling them to come back when they were sicker that's how young people got into trouble with COVID, which was... Right, it was too late.

That was terrible. That's one of the things that bothered me the most. How is Sam Shocker's brother? That happened to him, right? Correct. He was sent home to go... All right, well, that's right. And he died.

I didn't know his wife. And he died of it. Yeah, so they just... He died? Yes. Oh, I'm so sorry. And she... Look the the thing is it's a horrible illness it was a horrible outbreak needed aggressive measures i it's exactly what i

kept saying from the beginning the cdc should have been managing it dr fauci should have been managing it we should have taken the risk populations and isolated them we should have done our best to get to that vaccine but But to have these extreme reactions that we had that are still in place, some of them, when the evidence is clearly in that it just did what it did. And we didn't know that. We didn't know it was going to do it.

I'll grant you that. And I will say that it was very difficult. But the thing I learned yesterday talking to Alex Maranson was that they were using fear to cow people into submission. And I know of no evidence of anything in medicine where fear is ever advocated. I mean, it's the opposite of what we're supposed to do as doctors.

So there's so many things about this that are sort of cause you to shake your head and wonder why we didn't adjust course why we couldn't have done a little better and why we're not looking at it now and sort of doing our best to take an honest look at everything and see what we can learn so we don't make the same mistakes next time and some of it is the the the fact that the public health community had absolutely no checks on their on their ability to do whatever they wanted to do. And that seems kind of silly now. Elevated D-dimer, JM, was 688, now 830. Yeah, JM, I would, I mean, the question is whether you should even be on anticoagulation or at least aspirin therapy.

And, you know, I would keep, I'm assuming you had COVID or had the vaccine and that's why the D-dimer is up. So that's a very serious thing. Please do look at that. You know, what's weird about COVID though, and I got to give them a benefit of the doubt, when people came in, they weren't showing test positive for like three days. And we didn't really know that at the beginning. What are you talking about? So we would, they would send people home and say, no, they knew what people had COVID. They knew it. They did? Oh, you could see it on chest x-ray.

You could see the hypoxemia. I mean, that was COVID. It was pretty clear clinically, even if the tests were negative. But sending people home until their PO2 went into the 80s is- Oh, is that what they did? Yes. Come back when your PO2 is in the 80s. They could have given them steroids.

It could have given, I mean, at least careful follow-up. But we didn't do, it was really bad medicine. I think the other thing we've learned is not to depend on the emergency room for your health care. Like everybody should have a general practitioner, you know, or pediatrician taking care of them. You know, a lot of people just don't have doctors. I know. They have to go to Kaiser, they have to get- And a lot of doctors work in big systems

and the systems were dictating how the physicians behaved. Pay a little extra and get a doctor. And that's how we got into trouble. Especially if you have comorbidities, you know, but it's weird because people don't have it and then they go to the ER and then they're at the mercy of the hospitals, which is not good.

Oh, Drew. Let's see. Yes, sir yes uh so we we got to go to break in just a minute here but did you see the thing that the cdc put out like probably like 45 minutes ago about their new recommendations and their changes that they're they're there i knew they were i just saw that they were loosening things quite a bit do you have them up there yeah i have it right here and i just saw it so that we actually had i think that's what dr peter there we had him on the show a few I think that's what, Dr. Peter Hotez there? We had him on the show a few months ago. Yeah, that's Hotez, yeah.

Okay, social distancing. Here's the thing about social distancing. Social distancing is not a concept that ever existed in infectious diseases. It was an arbitrary thing that they invented out of whole cloth, and now we have a more infectious, much more infectious virus, and they're getting rid of social distancing. So that tells you social distancing infectious, much more infectious virus, and they're getting rid of social distancing. So that tells you social distancing wasn't much good to begin with. Okay. What else? That's literally the point that I saw right there. It says no longer recommend staying

at least six feet away from other people. Yeah. Because it doesn't really work. It never did work. And it really doesn't work if there's more infectious thing. Wow. Anything else that we're having? I think we're, I think less testing for going in and out of the country or something right no quarantine right controls in schools oh the testing to stay in school boy that's a good one that is a good one the you know what we did to kids that's really i mean if i had to you know you can always look at some of the other things and go we didn't know we didn't know we were scared okay but the school lockdowns and the duration of school lockdowns that that is it's's not in every state, by the way, it was in some states only. That was atrocious. And it's interesting, there's a pediatrician who

is a state assemblyman here in California who was trying to make laws against disinformation, which is, again, hard to understand exactly what he was going after. And he said disinformation such as lockdown caused emotional distress. Well, he has a point in the sense that we've not done any kind of controlled studies to find out what lockdowns did. But it's either lockdowns or it is the panic and hysteria that they created that damaged kids. We know for sure that there is an emotional problem going on now in this country as it pertains to young children. Talk to any of them.

They will tell you. From 35 to 8, they were deeply affected by this. And we should have been doing everything we could have done to mitigate that as opposed to ignoring it completely or actually silencing people silencing people who are attempting to try to soften some of this so it could be made better they again it's one thing to disagree it's another to vilify and silence people for having an alternative opinion or who are trying to help you know trying to help that that is just uh really i mean people should be thinking about how they behave during some of this i think this

is something right here this is something that you've been saying since the start which is they should be focusing more on improving ventilation of buildings absolutely i have not heard that from anyone except you this whole time yeah oh. Oh, yeah. And there's concern. See, aerosol scientists have long complained the six-foot social distancing guidance was arbitrary and unhelpful. Correct. Because this virus can float through the air with greater distances. That is 100% true. And in fact, masks may make that worse.

That's what some of the engineering were concerned with. If you remember, we interviewed an engineer here who was very concerned, particularly about the tight-fitting masks, which would protect the individual. You need to wear it to protect yourself, but if you had COVID, you might be more likely to spread it. Von Roche on Rumble City has a degree, or she

has a degree in mass transfer courses, chemical, biochemical engineering, and can show you the statistical mechanic calculation mass will not stop an airborne virus due to any useful extent. So there you go, Von Ronge. Thank you for that. I like that name.

Yeah, we have talked, I wonder if she's one of the ones we spoke to. He, I don't know, he, she, they, I they i'm not sure so yeah please do a chemical biomedical biomedical engineer yeah why weren't you guys listened to during this whole thing you're not the first one i've heard say this why weren't scientists and engineers allowed to talk that's the thing that's concerning about this it's easy to say hey we were scared we didn't know we tried the best we could i got that but why silence the discourse from people who actually freaking knew something it's too much for me it's too much barbara farrar was working on her career on television i don't know what it was crying on camera i'm not sure i don't know what it was okay let's uh take a little break here about for our

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asking questions about the monkeypox. Monkeypox, I think we finally have a female infected with monkeypox, I think in Florida or somewhere. Did I read about this morning? I was looking to see if any females had yet been infected, and the data I was seeing said no, only males thus far. And again, it is intimate skin-to-skin contact. It is not airborne. It does not appear to go by on surfaces. It's much like herpes. That's the way these sort of viruses do transmit. They tend to be at the point of the lesion and the skin contact. And if you remember how herpes is transmitted, it's kind of hard to get herpes on your arm, but on the mucosal surfaces, it's easy. And if you have a break in the skin and your skin, that makes it easier.

I think it is discriminatory that we don't support the gay male community to protect them and get the vaccine to them as quickly as possible. And the fact that we are not allowed to say that it's almost exclusively in gay men, or excuse me, men who have sex with men, is discriminatory because it's putting them at risk and perhaps not even getting the education material to them that a vaccine is available and a treatment is available.

Somewhere around 50% of the monkeypox patients have HIV as well. And I hope they are also complying with their ongoing care with antivirals because that is also very important to keep this thing from becoming even nastier. So there you go. We have more still insanity

around just this one little outbreak. But what I want to put before you, here we go, this is good. We have a press, put it right here. We have a press. Put it right here. We have a press that is creating panic around infectious diseases, okay? And the judgment, the point of view I need you to understand is that this is the amount of infectious diseases waiting for you in the world. This is a textbook of just infectious diseases. This is how many thousands of infectious diseases common are out there.

And look, the print is very small on this thing. It is tiny. And each page has three or four different infectious diseases or different kinds of manifestations of those infectious diseases. This is infectious diseases, everybody. And some of them have outbreaks. Some of them form pandemics. Some of them have epidemic quality to them.

This is what medicine is. Before the advent of antibiotics, pretty much everything was this. Now we're primarily disturbed by viruses. Those are what give us our biggest headaches these days. But to isolate one virus because it has a cool name like monkeypox and create a panic around that, I could tell you 10 other things in this textbook, including things like multiresistant gonorrhea, multiresistant tuberculosis, M. avium intracellulare, certain kinds of rickettsial diseases. These are having huge outbreaks, and they are really harming people.

You could be freaking out about them. You could easily sit around worrying about them, but the press does not whip you into that frenzy. And that is adult infectious disease. Here is pediatric infectious disease. And this, by the way, was the smallest tome I could find on infectious diseases of Chile. And most of them are two or three volumes like this. This is just children's infectious diseases. Okay. Waiting for kids. Another, this is why people train in medicine, to we see these things, we treat them, we learn about them,

and it gives us judgment. So when things do get nasty, we can help people, we can calm them down, we can give them good treatments, we can do the best by them. But to whip people into hysteria, believe me, in these two textbooks, you will not find the term lockdown social distancing or uh you know use fear wear a mask masking well there'll be some there's some technique with masking in here but it's to protect the caretakers protect the individuals or use fear wear a condom

or use fear to to to motivate patients or change behavior. We have HIV. You know what the biggest problem in HIV care today is? It's compliance. And we don't shame them or fear them, even though they're taking their life into their hands when they don't comply with antivirals. I kind of feel like they feared us a little bit in the 80s. Oh, we did. We did.

I was part of that. Yeah, yeah. We did. And again, it was Dr. Fauci that encouraged in the 80s. Oh, we did. We did. I was part of that. Yeah, yeah. We did. And again, it was Dr. Fauci that encouraged us to do that. Now we don't do that. What do you mean? Oh, not with HIV. We don't fear them, yes.

Not with HIV. No, no. We used fear to try to motivate people to understand that it could easily break into the heterosexual community. Until Magic Johnson got it, and then they kept him alive for so long, everybody was really afraid. There was fear. I was guilty of using that fear. And I was encouraged by Dr. Fauci, who kept saying there would be 2 million deaths and said we had 175,000. And he kept saying 2 million, 2 million, 2 million. And we did much, much better than 2 million because we used some

fear. And I'm not sure it was the right thing to do, but it's interesting to me that he, he used fear again on a larger scale. And I think that it got away. I don't think he would, I don't think he was aware even of the degree to which some of the States were using fear to, to, to, to bully people into submission and, and the horrible, plot. Horrible judgment. Horrible judgment. Don't lie down on the beach. Don't lay a towel down. Close the parks.

And then trying to control everybody. It's this sort of... Oh, my God. It was just so awful. Yeah, sort of big brother thing. Like, we can see you. Don't lay down on the beach. And then the poor little...

The poor little... The guy that was watching the beach, what do you call them? Lifeguards. Lifeguards come over and they're like these 19-year-old boys going, could you please stand up? It's so ridiculous. Those poor guys, I felt so bad for them. Look, this was all incompetence. Everybody should have gotten out a cigarette and started smoking or something. That's funny.

That was incompetence. That was disgusting display of incompetence. They should have known better. We should have been encouraged to go outside. It was obvious early, very early that that was the case. And that could have easily been a policy, but instead they were back to fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, control, control, control. And that was not the right way to do it as this thing rolled along uh okay so amen well it's kind of like a form of brainwashing too because now like i still see people who are really fearful and you're not going to change their minds well what do you think that fear is because whoops yeah what do you think that fear is is omicron is a much milder illness although

i've seen some nasty omicron i've seen seen some of it. Well, we can have vaccines. Some people like in the poorer neighborhoods and, you know, the different areas like of New York and stuff, they really were scared. They saw a lot of people die and because they all live in very small contained areas with a lot of people. And, you know, they were carting grandmas off left and right and they were dying and and and they just the the closeness of proximity in new york everybody was just so fearful and and i can see that now it's not like now time square is up and running people are shoulder to shoulder they're blowing smoke they're required to wear masks on the on the public transportation yet nobody wears them but have you i did we wear it when we went on no i don't remember no we didn't no we did not no i i seem to be i mean i'll pull it out if somebody wants me to i don't care but

um they're not enforcing it but it's also really hot it's just i i it's really hard to see irrationality when you know know, and, and, and the opposite of good medicine. Again, it'd be the equivalent of going, you have cancer. You could die. Do what you could die.

That's not my job. My job is to go, it's a bad illness. We got this. Keep going through your daily life. Wear some, wear a mask. You want to protect yourself.

This thing is nasty. We'll get you monoclonal antibodies. Here's how you do that. If you, I mean, there were so many things they didn't do. Remember back when I was, two years ago, I was really upset that they weren't teaching people about monoclonal antibodies, which were free and available to everybody. So I went public, very public about my, when I was very sick with alpha or delta, whatever

I had, and used monoclonal antibodies. It was remarkable how much it helped me. And the overwhelming feedback I got, oh, you're special, you can afford it. No, it's free and it's available to everybody. Yeah, we were trying to educate. And that was somehow offensive to people, that the government bought it all up and was making it available to you

and to tell you that is offensive. Well, it wasn't available everywhere, though. It was hard to find. No, it was not hard to find. It was highly available. Highly, highly available. It was everywhere. People just weren't aware.

Yes. Thank you. I mean, Florida just made it easy. And you were pushed back on for trying to educate people about it. That's the insanity we were in. Politicizing medicine. It turned into a political thing. Well, was it politicizing or was it just the panic and hysteria?

And then why silencing people discussing how to approach this thing better? Why doing a better job with it? Why would that have to be silenced? Michelle, go ahead. Hey, how are you? Hey, good. So my question is on a much lighter topic, although i was terrified to have sex in the 80s can i ask a question about the adam and dr drew show yeah so sometimes and i love the podcast

because i love to hear you too i can tell you're really good friends but he can be naughty to you not not not naughty nasty nasty i almost have to i cringe and turn away and i'm sure he's he doesn't mean to be that way because I would date that man in a heartbeat and laugh my ass off for two hours. But is that just his personality? It is his personality for sure. Susan, let's get Susan's thought first before I pull the curtain back. What do you think, Susan? It's not a shtick.

Well, he leans into it a little bit uh because he we he rarely talks to me that way in real life but he does it will happen uh but rarely i think he sort of leans into it a little more on the show which is fine and look i i don't care it doesn't bother me at all and um and and i mean drew could fight back he just doesn't choose to uh yeah no i i could i haven't really listened to the show in a while so i don't want to get into it i think the show i hear you guys talking on the phone every day i know i think it's been and you don't hear that when we talk on the phone at all no but i think i think it has been a lot better thanks i think the show's actually been better lately i think it's been very interesting yeah because you pissed him

people got pissed off when he was mean to you. No, no, no, because we're just getting into interesting territory. Because you can suddenly talk about things again. I mean, before if you talked about anything honest, you were like, is somebody going to cancel me for being just talking about what I'm thinking

and feeling and seeing? Now you can kind of examine things again. And it makes it more interesting yeah it has been i just a couple of times i've been like man i would smack that man all right that was my question all right guys you got it appreciate it thanks for listening that's so funny that is funny i would smack that guy but she said she'd also date him so i know it's pretty funny uh i think it's i'm blank is it amanda for blanking on your name again what is your name liz how are you thanks my heart just broke only a little bit no no no big deal i'm kidding um today i just wanted to

ask about hep hepatitis i mean um and just kind of the hepatic cells and the kind of progression of liver failure from the very beginning stages all the way to cirrhosis. Okay, so hold on. Slow down because I think I'm going to have to get another textbook on hepatology and plop that down in front of me here. So let's just first talk about what do you mean when you say hepatitis? Hepatitis, the word, literally means. Inflammation of the liver, right?

Correct. Whether it's due to medicine or alcohol abuse or hepatitis C or B, a virus, whatever. Correct. So virus, medication, toxins, obstructions. Let's see, what other sort of, there can be other circulating factors that can cause inflammation of the liver. So which do you want to know about? I just want to know about, I guess, on a hepatic cellular level, sort of the destruction that occurs from any of those. They're all different.

They're all different. They're all different. They're all different. Okay. The liver is highly resilient. It's one of the most, you can literally cut off two-thirds of your liver and you'll grow it back. And it's highly dependent on its architecture

for that ability to regenerate itself. It's like a series of dodecahedrons on top of each other. And the problems develop when the architecture starts to break down on a large level throughout the organ, okay? So having the inflammation, so there's inflammation, which makes the liver cells not work right and makes some of them die. And that inflammation can include what's called a fatty metamorphosis, which is not fat in the sense that we have adipose.

It's fat in the sense of fatty acids accumulation within the cells themselves that make them not work right. And eventually they do kind of break down. And when they break down or rupture, that brings in a bunch of inflammatory mediators. And there's various inflammatory conditions of the liver. There's something called acute sclerosing hyaline necrosis, which is something that happens when people get alcoholic hepatitis, right? And some of these more active inflammatory processes in certain genetically prone individuals,

it's not necessarily going to happen to everybody, but whether it's more the chronic inflammation and chronic breakdown and the chronic sort of enlistment of these inflammatory cells and then these inflammatory cells disgorging their inflammatory mediators and their cytokines and bringing more inflammatory material

that ultimately results in the laying down of scar. And another name for scar is cirrhosis. And when the scars start getting laid down across that dodecahedron structure, now you've got a problem because the cells keep trying to regenerate, but they're called regenerative nodules or cirrhotic nodules, and they can't go anywhere and they continue to break down and they continue to create scars. So then once scar starts, that's when it becomes inexorable.

So you always want to get at it before the scarring starts. Does that make sense? It does. Absolutely. I guess I was more, you know, wondering about like liver failure and more of the acute. Yeah. And liver failure is a whole other thing, right? And because you can have massive necrosis of the liver, like sudden complete breakdown of the entire organ, it's hard to survive that, but it's possible to survive it.

But you have to get at it early. And so when people take, I think you must be thinking of a Tylenol overdose, for instance, right? Yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So Tylenol overdoses, you take your, you know, your 15 Tylenol pills and you're like, oh, I don't want to hurt myself anymore. I feel fine. Three days later, you're in the ICU because your liver just stops. And if you, and it causes tremendous problems with electrolytes and phosphates and everything goes off, everything goes haywirewire and you can sometimes

stay on top of it and get people through it to the point that the liver, again, heals and regenerates, but you're sort of lucky when that happens. It's very hard. Massive liver failure is very difficult to treat. What are the sort of early signs of liver failure, for example? Well, jaundice is number one. The bile stops moving through the liver and you get jaundice. And encephalopathy, you get kind of confusion. You look like you're out of it. So you look intoxicated. And pain, they sometimes have pain, upper quadrant pain. That happens too sometimes. Now, let me ask you this, mentioning upper quadrant pain. I mean, I know that there's a

million, you pull out another book, Thickness of Hell. But when you hear upper quadrant pain relates to the liver, what's going through your mind there? What are the first things that you're thinking? I mean, what's happening? When somebody has right upper quadrant pain, you think gallbladder and an otherwise healthy person. That's what you think about. Because gallbladder is the most likely thing to hurt up there. But there's a million, you know, pancreatic and biliary kinds of things that can go on that also cause pain. So, you know, you can have common bile duct obstruction from various things. Right. If it's due to medication or alcohol.

Yeah. What would you say then? If what? If the jaundice is due to medication or alcohol? Or is that not like an issue with so much of it? They don't usually have pain. You know, you worry about the pancreas. The pancreas can hurt.

You know, that's more in the middle of the abdomen, not up in the right upper quadrant. And you worry about something expanding in the liver, too. I mean, occasionally masses in the liver will cause pain. So it's just, you think we live in a time when you can look around. You get a CAT scan or ultrasound, you can see what's going on there liz i gotta keep moving thank you for the questions thank you you bet as always thank you for coming in here and uh we'll get marissa up here uh yeah these are interesting questions i'm happy to talk about this stuff and marissa to uh talk you gotta uh there you are what's up hey dr drew hey um i love all the work you do with addicts

um i struggled with addiction for 20 years alcohol and stopped at 38 now 41 and now i'm starting to get worried about later on in life so i just wanted to ask you about what to look out for later on because i know we're talking a lot about liver and stuff like that. Yeah. So again, I would maybe, if you really want to look at it, go see an internist and maybe get an ultrasound of your liver or a liver scan to make sure everything's okay. Did you ever, is there any possibility that you have any kind of hepatitis or were you ever exposed to anything? No. My dad struggled with alcohol abuse and smoking and died of esophagus cancer. So that's kind of what got

me really scared. Well, good. You should be. I mean, esophagus cancer is smoking plus alcohol plus HPV. If you have those three things, you're pretty much going to get, that's a pretty good risk for esophageal cancer. That's a rough one. Also other head and neck cancers too, in addition to esophagus. So, okay. So did you smoke too? No. Okay.

So good. So alcohol alone, not usually, particularly in a female, going to do that kind of thing. Not typically. So you want to get your liver assessed. Women do have a higher incidence of alcoholic liver disease, but not necessarily cirrhosis. So your liver should be normal by now, having been sober for a while. So you might want to just go in, maybe get an ultrasound, talk to a doctor about that.

The only other organ system I really worry about is brain. Keep your brain as healthy as possible, get proper sleep, exercise right, and that's it. And most people, in reality, even after long periods of drinking, kind of dodge serious stuff. Most people do. So hopefully you'll be one of those that does so. Perfect.

Thank you so much. All right. You got it. Yeah. Brain is a rough one, though, because brain, you know, alcohol is not good for the brain, for any of us. You know, as we get older, we want to preserve as much brain as we have. Alcohol is not exactly our friend when it comes to that stuff uh let me quickly go through your guys restream and uh rumble rants here if you guys don't mind give me a second to look at these things i've got to wrap up pretty soon here appreciate all the questions uh is that true casey gates tells us

that gavin newsom's family is not vaccinated. I don't know if that's true or not. That'd be kind of wild, wouldn't it? And on the restream, I heard a rumor that his kids weren't vaccinated. And again, I would argue the decision to vaccinate young kids is a very difficult

decision. It's not, it's not a slam dunk. If you're 75, it's an easy decision that we are clear. The vaccine helps people over the age of 75, very clear. Oh my gosh, hepatitis C and herpes from the same date rate. That is rough. I hope you got treated for the hep C because that now is a treatable condition. One of the things I

didn't mention about hepatitis, talking to Liz, is that for years of hepatitis, strictly hepatitis C, you can get liver cancer. That is something that definitely is that for years of hepatitis, particularly hepatitis C, you can get liver cancer. That is something that definitely is a complication of chronic hepatitis C. Let's see. Steve, Steve's Wild Ride podcast had BAM on. Oh, good. Sounds like BAM's doing good.

That'd be great news if that's true. Harvonia is great. It's Tom Cigars. I've had many people cured from it. These medicines are amazing. These medicines that are antiviral that cure hepatitis C are just massive breakthrough. I did research on hepatitis C back in the 80s. We were using, oh, crap, ribavirin back then. It was barely working. Now we have much, much better stuff. Okay, so we will be back again, Susan, on Tuesday, correct? And is that with Charlotte Laws?

Yes. Okay, so those of you that saw the most dangerous, that's Tuesday the 16th, right? That's what I'm looking at. You're right. You're right. Exactly. Okay. Charlotte Laws is the mom. There she is. The mom that took on Hunter Moore, who was the most hated man on the internet. And she's the one that really got him put in prison. So I watched the most hated man on the internet. Is it on Netflix? Netflix. Netflix has been one of the top shows on Netflix for the last few weeks.

If you go to the second episode, you'll see my interview with her on my old HLN program. And she was very effective. And we wanted to get it caught up with her and see what she's doing now. She's a journalist. She's obviously someone who you don't want to cross. She takes care of business. She and her daughter figure prominently into that show. And Hunter Moore apparently is back out in the world and has no remorse for

what he was doing. No, I thought he was still in jail. Nope. He's already through. That's what I read somewhere. But Charlotte will give us an update. It'll be very interesting to hear from her. So please pass the word along that we are interviewing Charlotte Laws.

People liked that show and liked our interview with her back on the documentary so it is tuesday three o'clock pacific and then of course we will have our show with uh dr kelly on wednesday peter mccullough is the guest a very controversial dude um i'll be again an excellent physician good academic i don't agree with everything he says, but it is time we pull. Run down memory line. Yeah, and I've been thinking more about something Caleb said, about how if you keep things in the dark, it makes people more paranoid, more prone to conspiracy theories.

And he is absolutely 100% right. And so I want to bring things out to the light and talk about it and think about it. Just talking to Alex Berenson clarified some of my thinking a little bit. He also, by the way, was very helpful with the Swedish, was it a Swedish study that Dr. Victory had quoted about the nature of there being

possibly some way that the mRNA viruses are reverse transcribed to DNA. Apparently that study was taken down. It was an in vitro study. More to be revealed on that. I have my eye on that. And Matthias Desmet is a German psychologist who has the notion

of mass formation psychosis. They exposed me to that guy, which I thought is interesting, and I will look at a little more of his stuff before we get in going with Peter McCullough. And we appreciate you being here. We appreciate the calls. So we'll be taking calls on Thursday? Is that what we're doing? Do a call show on Thursday?

I like doing call shows. So I'm, uh, I think there's a, there, we might have a guest on Thursday, but I do think I would like to do more call shows. I think they're very,

very useful. That's a good idea. Yeah. Okay. We appreciate it. You guys have great questions. And if you like it and you have more questions that you, you're having trouble getting through on the,

uh, Twitter spaces, do send them to contact at drdrew.com. Wait, wait, Drew, you're not going to sort through those. No, I'm not. I sort through them. Yeah, I know. You are.

Okay, Caleb does. I do somebody do. Maybe we should read some questions. Caleb, what do you think? I prefer if they actually call in on the show, but I keep a list of anything interesting. Usually I tell them to call in on the show if they send an email and it seems super interesting okay yeah excellent and uh i didn't talk about some of the topics that it's just hard to get to them let me just quickly say that uh wendy williams uh i've been reaching out to her to try to make sure she's doing okay to me she looks okay she's been going through

something but she should be allowed to regain her career if that's what she wants to do. I mean, why wouldn't she? She's a really serious talent, and I fully support her. The SSRI studies and the fact that serotonin doesn't, you know, that they don't raise serotonin levels, known for decades. They adjust the chemistry of the synapse, and they work in protean multiple fashions, including anti-inflammatory, which is why we use fluvoxamine for COVID, because it has anti-inflammatory properties. There's other sort of regions of the brain are affected by SSRIs. So yes, we don't know the exact mechanisms that they work, but we have immense clinical studies, immense number of clinical studies that show that they are helpful for people

with severe depression. And they are useful. Are they overprescribed? Yes, they're overprescribed. And should we be cautious and look for better treatments? Of course, of course. Okay, that is about all I have to say today. We appreciate you all being here and we will see you on Tuesday at three o'clock with Charlotte Laws. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor,

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