Ask Dr. Drew - Celeb Attorney Mark Geragos on NY “Quarantine Camp” Law & Winning $59m Against Pfizer – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 292

Episode Date: December 2, 2023

After winning a $59,000,000 jury verdict against Pfizer for stealing trade secrets, super-attorney Mark Geragos has shown no fear of taking legal action against pharmaceutical giants and overreaching health authorities. Geragos joins Dr. Drew LIVE to discuss the legality of NY Gov. Hochul’s “Quarantine Camp” public health law, vaccine mandates, and how the law protects medical freedom. Mark Geragos is a civil and criminal trial lawyer whose clients include some of the most famous (and infamous) names on the planet. Geragos is the only lawyer besides Johnnie Cochran ever named “Lawyer of the Year” in both Criminal and Civil arenas. California Law Business Magazine named Geragos “One of the 100 Most Influential Attorneys in California” three years in a row. His $59 million jury verdict in a trade secrets case against pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Corporation was voted both “Top Ten Verdicts in 2008 in California” by the Daily Journal, as well as “Top Fifty Verdicts in the United States” by the National Law Journal. Follow him at https://x.com/markgeragos and find more at https://geragos.com. Listen to the Reasonable Doubt Podcast on iTunes and Spotify. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get a discount on your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Trying to think of the right present for someone special? Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My guest today requires no introduction. I'm going to get to him in just a moment, my friend and attorney Mark Garagos. You know him from all the years of commentary on various news outlets and his work with defense law. He has been doing Reasonable Doubt with Adam Carolla for quite some time, and now he and I want to do some things together. And so today will be day one of our streaming debut. We'll get right to it after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell

you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say.

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back in high school so so we are in our home studio which this used to be the playroom where the boys all congregated particularly uh do you know that this this room used to i'll tell one story my uh wife jake's mother did not like him playing whatever it was world of warcraft probably no no no the other one the um call of duty that was a big big game and so one one day jake comes home and it's gone and his video player is gone and he came up the back stairs a couple of weeks later and came over, and here was Douglas and Jordan playing on his game. On his game. He had given it.

Paulette had given it to Susan. Thank you, Paulette. Thank you. Well done. But in an event, Jake would come around and play. We still have it. We still have it somewhere. His video player?

Yes. Oh, my God. That's too funny. Was she punishing him or was it just too much? The whole idea of him playing a game, a video game. Didn't like it. It was anathema. So she didn't know how much of that was going on here, evidently.

Yeah. But Mark and I have known each other since high school. Yes. We played football against each other. We had rival high schools, that kind of thing since way back and then you started working at k-rock as a concert promoter which i was ahead of you on the k-rock yep ahead of me about what five six years i had to go to medical school first yeah exactly well i was doing k-rock while in law school yeah and so we had this crazy parallel path and then your wife went to westridge with my sister right and uh and then they became friends and i think

that's how we all got back together again and then we've had this crazy existence with douglas who's your oldest triplet yeah although we just saw your youngest triplet. Yep. Although we just saw your youngest triplet. Yeah, two came by. Two came by. But Douglas and Jake have had this kind of parallel friendship as well. Since they were three, they outdid us, actually.

They certainly did. They certainly did and still see each other with some frequency. How is his business going? Should we promote that, by the way? Yeah, Dirty Taco

from Grand Central. Stop by. Jake is over there and he's got some incredible. He's actually now got a Taco Masi, which they've taken. A what? Yes. They've taken the sushi idea and put a.

Tacoized it. Tacoized it. Taco-fied it. Taco-fied it, and they do. It's sold out every time they do it, and they do it a couple of times a month so it's in the downstairs area of grand central station is you're gonna have to wait in line it's a big deal right and uh we watched jake come on as a chef through the clock tower and then uh queen's yard queen's yard exactly he had another place that was in between his name the musket room which was a michelin star

he was under a michelin star chef so he's had quite a little career he's had he was well thought of they they at queen's yard and there was no fool in there so yeah well queen's yard was adjacent to where you were yes at the time that's right or still still still still so what did you uh wait i you know the one thing i you know how every time i see you susan was asking as a good producer she wanted to know well are you going to talk about this and m was saying i gotta do this i said the last thing you need is for to program drew and i because we'll never get to what you program us right because i've always got questions and here's my question okay here we go so over. So over the weekend, I was watching a little football,

and I saw Donald Trump coming on to, I think, a South Carolina game and getting a standing ovation. And then there was people trying to say it wasn't really standing ovation. Well, first I heard it was all boos. Then I heard the boos were directed at something that happened in the game. And in fact, 12 seconds before he'd had a standing ovation. Yeah. I think he had both.

I think he had standing ovation followed by boos. I think that's what happened. And I thought, wow, he's in the South. Yeah. The one person who is giving him, and it's not even a run for your money. DeSantis. Yeah. And he's fallen by the wayside it's now nicky

haley it's nicky haley territory clearly he is embraced there and then when i was talking about it some of you say well what do you expect it's the south it's a red state blah blah they said well what about madison square garden two weeks ago because he walked in with tucker and with dana white and got a standing ovation there then they say well that's just the demographic of ufc which is true yeah which is true that i think i think that's a good point but um something's going on you don't see and i'm uh i am a self-professed died in the wool always voted democrat you don't see joe biden getting standing ovations and again in fact you have the opposite you know the the champ that usually f joe biden right and i want let's go

brandon how dare you yeah let's go i just wonder as we sit here in very blue california and a number of people that are in my bubble so to speak confided me that they say i don't understand how we're running him i am reading by that he was fantastic uh and for the pivot but that and i know that you're not supposed to talk politics but i can't help it because okay let's get into it let's do it so so you're not supposed to talk politics, but I can't help it because. Okay, let's get into it. Let's do it. So the question is what? How, after four separate indictments, 91 counts, a lawsuit that he's currently is an existential threat to his business in New York,

a sexual harassment lawsuit that ended up in a five million dollar uh damages award and now is coming back a second time how after all of that when everybody thought that was it he's done yes how was he not done and how is he getting standing ovations and a reception that one would not expect. So he still could be done, right? Could be, absolutely. One of these things could really take him out of the running. But because that seems to be the goal of these cases,

I'm not speaking on my own behalf. I'm speaking on behalf of what I think is going on. I don't think the— Don't you love that? I have to qualify everything. You have to dance around the idea that you could try to analyze what is happening because God forbid that you say anything

and I'll get into it in a second. Gets taken out of context. And then boom, you said this. Yes, I said that, but in a whole different context. And that, by the way, it's a whole, this other story, the media matters things I want to get into with you. I have things all the time that happens to me that way, where they take out clips and they go, aha, you're this. By the way, then they'll take out the part that's left out, and the other side will use that as, aha, you're that. It's nutty. But I think the people that have, I think that a lot of people are very frustrated with the culture.

And I think they blame the government for some of these cultural issues. And I think it actually started back in the Obama era, which is how you got a Trump. Right. Which is people. I i agree people were feeling bad about themselves and tired of it i think that's what it is like i don't want to feel bad about myself i don't want to feel bad about being a man i don't want to feel bad about being white i don't want to feel bad about being a what i will you fill in the blank category that has been sort of should we say outed recently sort of sort of called on the carpet and and i've always said look so just to qualify my position

always been like good things come out of this because like i i realize i have a very eurocentric way of seeing i have to really catch watch myself all the time it's been helpful to me to be close i'm always trying to ascend to the truth. So to get closer to the truth is better for me. And if I have biases that get in the way of that, I want to know about it. I want to do better. But a lot of people are tired, and they're tired, and they aren't as magnanimous about it. And they start saying, I'm not a bad person.

This guy's going to fight for me. I remember a South Park episode where randy you know randy's sort of the every man in that right and he's like hey that guy sounds like me he'll fight for me he literally talks like me and i and i think that happened the first time okay then a lot of people stayed with him you know still liked him after after the end of that which is again a lot of people can't even imagine that but there's a lot of people that still liked him and now when he gets attacked they feel like this is all politically motivated and therefore it has no in on its own merit they can't evaluate it well

and the problem is it makes perfect sense because what happens is is there has been a flip whoever thought i mean i come home at night and i'll flip on the channels and news channels because i'm interested in the news and so-called so-called news whatever it is now i don't know say i turn on msnbc and all of a sudden they're cheerleaders for the prosecution and i'll say wait a second here i'm old enough to remember when that was not you know the republicans were the law and order and the democrats were the ones who challenged authority and that has flipped on its head i i listened shows you how my life is uh somewhat shallow i listened to the oral arguments on the gag order

for trump out of the district of columbia okay that was he's been he was talking shit about the the court staff and the judge yeah and so the way it was reported i saw i was saying you know i actually saw people say the the court's going to uh they're going to reinstate the uh gag order immediately at oral argument i said well that's ballsy that's the case i listened to it by the way it was all of a sudden these three democratically appointed judges on the court of appeal they had real problems with this this is core political speech i remember i'm old enough to remember when my side of the aisle believed in core political speech and was defending that. What is core political speech? Core political speech is his ability at a rally from Trump to discuss the

cases, to discuss that it's politically motivated, to do, by the way, what I remember doing in the 90s when I was representing Susan McDougal in the Whitewater. I was taking shots at the Office of Independent Counsel. I said this was politically motivated. You're coming after the Clintons because of this. All of that now, when you flip it, is no good anymore. Now we can't do that. And now we're going to gag him.

We're going to gag him a year out from the election. The election is less than a year. And we're going to gag the leading candidate in a election, which, by the way, we're prosecuting him arising out of activities and his speech in the last presidential election. The only case law that they were citing when they're doing the argument is case law that was made by the insurance commissioner who was fighting a gag order in Louisiana, I believe. It was like, well, that doesn't really seem to me to be tracking the

facts of a presidential election where you're prosecuting somebody for his language on the last election. Did his attorney say anything? Yeah. Oh, he had a guy who used to be either Solicitor General or Attorney General of the South. He was outstanding. And you never would have guessed that by the reporting. That's why I listened. I went on to YouTube and listened to the arguments. It was fascinating to actually hear what was happening in real time.

So you're kind of zeroing in on what I think is one of the major problems of our time, which is that reporting is not reporting anymore. Which takes us to media matters. Yes. It is either opinion or really propaganda. And I do believe they think they're reporting something, but they just can't get out of their own way to do the reporting.

Or they believe they have a different job to do than report. Well, I will tell you, because I couldn't accept what I was hearing about the argument on a gag order, which is something I've been dealing with for 40 years in the law, which is gag orders generally in my cases where they're high-prof profile cases, sometimes political, but most of the time just because there's a prurient interest. I've been fascinated with that because the last US Supreme Court pronouncement on that was Shepard versus Maxwell, which was where F. Lee Bailey made his career, which turned into The Fugitive. And that was in

the 50s. You read that opinion now, or you talk about it now, and it's almost quaint because it was the U.S. Supreme Court trying to regulate a defendant's right to a fair trial. Here, we've been flipped on its head. We're not regulating Trump's right to a fair trial. We're saying we don't want the prosecution to be behind the eight ball or we don't want the court to be behind the eight ball. It's an amazing set of circumstances. And the reporting on it was crazy because they said it's a hot bench. The,

you know, Trump's lawyer was, you know, manhandled blah, blah, blah. I saw that. I listened to it.

No, he wasn't manhandled. No, he handled the bench. And they had tough questions. But guess what? They had even tougher questions for the Office of Special Counsel. You would have to listen to the hours of the tape to understand that what you are getting fed, if you listen to it, you would understand it's not even remotely accurate and i would just also point out that

the the same people that are now uh flipping things on their head that way are the unmitigated fans of big pharma and the fbi right these are the what happened when did that's what i keep saying this is incredible when did when did the left become cheerleaders for the prosecution and law enforcement? Law enforcement, big pharma, FBI, CIA, the things that my whole life they were absolutely paranoid about. And I was fighting my whole life against the right, my whole career. You know, the morning after pill is killing a baby. No, it's not. The HPV vaccine.

Oh, no, can't take that. take that okay no we're going to push that we need that that's cancer and now all of a sudden my ability to say anything is under attack from from a different side and it's that this i've become like i feel like our job has become fighting for freedom all of a sudden which is is incredible. And people minimize why that is. I remember when this whole pandemic thing started, and all of a sudden I found myself in kind of co-counseling with Harmeet Dhillon. I know. That was a sentinel moment for me.

I went, whoa, whoa, something has changed. Harmeet Dhillon, who is right of Abraham Lincoln, and Mark Gergos, who I don't think of that way at all, are getting together. Something is changing. Something is. It was this astonishing two weeks to flatten the curve. I know I've talked about this a million times.

And an emergency declaration. I remember, I'm old enough to remember you are too. Emergency meant a limited period of time. Emergency didn't mean three years. How about what shelter in place means? That is when a nuclear weapon is incoming. Shelter in place. When the hell do mayors chant that every night?

Are you kidding? Of course kids are depressed. Remember when we were kids in elementary school? The trials, yeah, the sirens. The sirens. And you get under your table. Oh, no, we actually, at a Royal Seco school right over here, we would actually file down into the basement,

line up against the wall, and get in a... That's what we did. You had to put your hands behind your head. You kneel down you get under the desk yeah yeah but that was that was shelter in place that was shelter in place that wasn't to go hide in your house for two years two years can you imagine i don't and there is absolutely no remorse for it no apology for it all right. So this is something I want to get into, which is this can't happen again, right? I mean, you asked about Michelle Bachman, who I was interviewing a couple days ago.

She is worried about the World Health Organization having this authority to put us under lock and key whenever they damn well please them. And by the way, Caleb, throw up the medical emergencies of international concern graph up there. The medical emergency of international concerns were rare events, like the 1918 flu. Look at how many have happened since COVID. All of a sudden, they're all the time. That blue line is the 1918 flu, essentially, and then you have everything else.

All of a sudden, there's a bunch of other. Right, everything gets amplified. Everything gets minimized. I'm sorry. The H1N1 is the blue one. And then now, all of a sudden, everything's a medical emergency. Yeah. And they would have authority over all elected officials everywhere in every sovereign nation

in the world. That's OK with people? We don't think that could be abused? I just don't. I was complaining the entire time that they lionized this case it was a 1905 case called jacobson oh i know go ahead all this yes it came up all the time that was all you had to do was kind of wave around jacobson 1905 and that was it and jacobson basically said that a guy didn't want to get a vaccine or something yeah

and he had to pay a two dollar fine or something like that and that became okay we can just destroy you we can do anything we want to your body in an emergency yeah and it and by the way i don't agree with much of what neil gorsuch on the supreme court says but when he says, where was I when this became this towering presence, this case, I tend to agree with him. Why all of a sudden did we just outsource or abdicate our fight against or our pushback? And where was the judicial branch pushing back on this? Well, that's my question. Is this so much of the excesses that were really just hysteria? That's what they were.

There's hysterics. Uh, how much of that is going to get solved by the courts? I don't know. I will tell you this. I've survived on two different cases. So that we're hopefully get to trial next year. Uh,

but there, it's a, it's a, an issue that is very concerning to me. There is, to hold them accountable and not to say, to do what was done. There was a superior court judge here in LA, James Chalfant. He issued an order at the trial trial court level which the court of appeal

basically invalidated a month later two months later and they did it without really grappling with it it was basically we're judges we're not going to get in the way of yes i saw that yes which is an insane thing for them to do well Well, that's what I mean. Can you imagine you're going to, I mean, if you've got a malady, a disease, or an ailment, are you going to go to somebody who's a non-medical doctor and have them tell you what to do? That's what we did in the L.A. County case. That's what we did. And, by the way, as it pertains to the state of California,

let me frame it this way if you are you are you going to go to a pediatrician to get some advice on adult medicine because that's who was doing our our state level public health yeah which is common because pediatricians do the vaccine policies right and so they put pediatricians in these state-level offices. They do not have the training or the judgment to make calls on adult medicine. I noticed that when I interviewed Peter Hotez, who I

found to be a lovely guy, smart. I agree with 90% of what he was saying, but all of a sudden, at the very end of the interview, he went berserko on me about how he didn't want to get COVID because his brain would shrink, and I don't want my brain to and I and I was so shocked by him saying that I I'd read some data on it and I thought oh he doesn't understand that that happens to older adults whenever they get sick you get a little brain shrink and then it comes back right and then it

gets good normalizes he he has no understanding that because he's a pediatrician it doesn't happen to kids and I thought oh he's in a panic about this thing because he has no judgment about it and that was the thing that if you see if everybody you see is under 10 years old yes then it's a different i don't i wouldn't dare treat at that age because i don't know i have no judgment i don't know i i do it very it's a very different training a different experience all right so i i don't know. It's a very different training, a different experience. All right, so I don't think I answered your question. You didn't answer my question, so I'm going back. Yeah, the question is?

Come on. What is the phenomena that is happening in America right now? Because I will tell you, people were scratching their heads last week. Five out of the six swing states, Biden is now losing. Yes. And Trump is winning. And Trump is winning. Now, people could look at RFK and go, ah, that's the problem.

Because he is sucking up a lot of the- He's winning amongst independents. Yes. Oh, yeah. I'm an independent. I get the appeal. I get it. And then he is dismissed as a conspiracy

theorist by the way this is a guy who has spent his entire adult career doing environmental law at the highest level effectively yeah so his his being called a conspiracy theorist is the same as the reporting on the gag order. Correct. It's bullshit. Right. Now, I had an experience. And by the way, it's an ad hominem attack.

For those who haven't taken high school logic, when you start to call somebody a conspiracy theorist as opposed to deal with their argument, all you're doing is attacking the person, not the argument. And you've lost the argument yeah otherwise why would you why would you do that well because they had so much success with it with trump right they loved doing it to him and i noticed that i went to a symposium at the white house probably the second year of the trump presidency or something maybe the first year even and it was on the opioid thing right and uh i was very very concerned about that then and it was on the opioid thing. Right. And I was very, very concerned about that then. And it was really interesting. They had cabinet level, like six of the, how many?

11 cabinet? It's like six. We had Homeland Security. We had Jeff Sessions was there. We had- General, you had the Department of Health and Human Services. We didn't have HHS. We didn't have Azar there.

But we had- Commerce the the neurosurgeon i'm blanking on his name right now oh um who was his opponent in the primaries help me somebody god damn it anyway really i got to know him very well and it's a good good man and uh by the way was always well thought of as a neurosurgeon oh my god yes he ran in the republic another flip exactly then what is it he became caleb what ben carson caleb ben carson thank you very much but in that it was a day-long symposium about what to do and a lot of really interesting things were presented it was like six hours or something and And in there, Jeff Sessions sat down and he goes, I really, I admired, his esteem went way up for me that day. He goes, because I've been doing this a

long time with that crazy accent. And he goes, I know how to handle this. I'm going to stop this thing. I'm going to put a stop to the prescribing of the opiates. You watch me. In about six months, it's going to stop. You watch what I'm going to do. It's going to take care of it. And what did he do? He put the doctors that were killing people in jail. And he knew that when you don't have to do that for two or three doctors and physicians freeze, they just become panicked. And it immediately stopped. It immediately.

That's when the prescribing of oral opiates ceased. It was Jeff S sessions that did it and you would never know that or recognize it because he was considered you know the the right wing whack job he was a whack job not only that this is the part that got my attention all these incredible things were being presented all day long at the end end, unexpectedly, we didn't expect this, Trump marches in. He goes to the front of the room and takes the mic. He's out there just sort of talking and BSing. The showman that he is, he goes, oh, Steve, you're in the front row.

Steve, tell your story. He gets him up. The dude starts sobbing. He lost his son to opiates and this incredible story. He goes, we've got to take care of this. is one story as lots of steve sits down he keeps talking and he goes i don't know what we do he goes you know some countries they make the dealers play the ultimate cause for the ultimate price for this but i i don't think we're going to do that but i we got to think of everything entire day symposium the only thing the press reports is Trump says we should kill drug dealers.

Out of this incredible day, that is the only thing that's reported. Have you ever heard of Gelman amnesia? Yes. This is all Gelman amnesia on our part. Because Gelman, just for people, let me explain. We may have the camera here. So Dr. Gelman was a famous physicist, and every time he'd notice an article in the paper about physics, it was a million miles from accurate. It was just

wrong. And you'd go, God, they cannot get physics, but they need to go on to read politics and world affairs and assume that was all correct. It's all wrong. It's all off. It's all you need is an experience like I had in the East room of the white House, or have them write a story about you. Then you see how far they are from the truth, or anything for that matter. I've had that for 25 years. When I'm trying a high-profile case, I will be in the courtroom, and I will spend the day there. I'll cross-examine a witness. Then I'll go back. I'll turn on the TV to see a recap. And it bears no resemblance to what actually happened in the past. All right.

So I want to pick up there. We've got to take a little bit of a break here. But that, to me, is such a major, major, major problem. And my question is, are there remedies for this? Can we do something about it? And maybe Elon Musk has started something here. I've got a lot to say on that too. All right, we'll come back with that.

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later too i would love okay but you're right though about media matters yes so so what remedies what do we do about all these attacks what about x what about what what i was talking about this this morning um and if what the lawsuit says is true if they can show that the it was manipulated yes which they have but of course x has all the access to of course they do and everybody has if you read the commentators especially the legal commentators they've all almost uniformly said well why is he filing in texas then it's a you know there's no reason to be in texas unless he thinks it's a weak case it happened to him in texas don't you have to file a text that's where he is yeah you have to do that don't you could go somewhere else but why would he yeah and by the way now they're also diminishing the lawsuit by saying the attorney general who just came through his impeachment and was acquitted is joined in the fray, so to speak.

And so that diminishes it. So he's going, but he's going after criminal action though, right? He's investigating that. That's a different question. Right. One's a civil suit, one's a criminal suit. Are they conflating those two things? A civil suit is, as you say, this is what's so crazy.

You can diminish it by throwing kind of the bricks at it and say, well, his venue is weak. Why would he be in Texas? Blah, blah, blah. My question is, if what he has alleged is true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't it's a pretty stunning um indictment of what was done does it surprise you that they know no no that's the point it's completely sound there is no length to you saw that what was the guy that called up the woman

that was calling the pizza service or something oh shit c Caleb, you can help me with this. There was a guy, a podcaster, who actually called the reporter who went to his advertisers and said, what are you doing? Well, I just wanted them to be aware that you said, he goes, I didn't say that. What are you doing calling my advertiser? Well, I just wanted to make sure they knew.

Make sure they knew. Is that your job as reporter? By the way, it's the opposite of what journalism what they teach in journalism unless they who knows what they're teaching now right i i worry about institutions these days because if you're going to portnoy yes exactly thank you if you're going to have opinion journalism that's fine just call it out for that is kind of my opinion yeah don't say this is you know our investigative report which reveals blah blah by the way there was a case uh years ago in california i know well, where there was an action against Facebook

for putting ads next to and supporting ISIS-style things. That got nowhere. That got nowhere. But here, he's got, I think, a tenable theory that they were basically manipulating the internal logarithms in the system in order to achieve what they want to do yeah yeah if that's the case there's there's an issue there that's a legitimate issue so as we see you know anybody that's in the public now just gets attacked right constantly and it's in a lot now just gets attacked constantly. A lot of it is social media, just random individuals.

But oftentimes, it's organizations like Media Matters. Oftentimes, Gelman Amnesia, it is filled with untruths and no opportunity to respond to it and no attempt to establish the truth. Are there going to be remedies for this? Well, the only way is, I will tell you from personal experience, the only way is if, once again, you get judges who are willing to look beyond kind of the knee-jerk reaction, which is, oh, it's a journal journalistic entity therefore i'm just going to give them a pass but but they're not journalistic entities these social media platforms they're just platforms that what about the individuals that you know that attack people that's the kind of interesting frontier that's got to be fought there's far, the platforms have been able to... Oh, we've got a dog here. I do.

The platforms have been able to wrap themselves up in kind of the immunities, if you will, and that's a problem. You can't get past that generally. There are certain things, and a very recent case where there's been lawsuits brought about the manipulation of social media and the addictive quality,

and those have survived what we call 12B6 motions, which are in federal court the motions to dismiss on the face of the police. So those are the ones that are sort of bringing up the issue of the harm done to young people in particular, particularly young girls. And that it's targeted, that it's purposeful, that it's intentional.

I think that you're going to get at a certain point, I don't know that it's this case. I wouldn't agree necessarily with Elon that it's a thermonuclear lawsuit. I think that maybe that was overstating the case. But who knows? Let's wait and see if he survives the motion to dismiss, if he gets into discovery. If he finds in discovery that the things he's alleged are true, then that could. I can see a world where that might happen. Like I say, the knee-jerk reaction, however, is to cloak the journalism with this idea of almost, you have to prove something that is almost impossible in order to get over a hurdle.

So this is back to your original question about how does Trump walk in a stadium and get a standing ovation. People are really sick of this stuff and being helpless against it. Yeah. And they're sick of companies that don't like their customers,

that mistreat them or don't represent them or don't even market to them they just seem to not like them and the same thing is true of most media content it's like they're disdaining all these people it's the basket of deplorables kind of thing and by the way one of the interesting things is there is a sense of community in that disaffection. Correct. It's creating parallel economies. Right. Right.

And it's interesting to watch this unfold. Yes. What does that mean? What do you think we're going? I, I, is it, is it all the playing out of a fight for freedom?

Is that what this is? That's both sides claim. Obviously it's a fight for democracy. It's a fight for the is that what this is the that's both sides claim obviously it's a fight for democracy it's a fight for the constitution i mean the the the right will say we're originalists we're hewing to the text of the constitution the left will say this is a existential fight for democracy as we know it so both use the same bromides but at the at the bottom line is if you can't understand the fact that each of you are talking past each other yes and that and not hearing each other and not hearing and that it's you're only taking a position when your ox is getting gored as the old expression is that's and that's the only time you get worked up

then you're never going to solve this i don't like that i know so so if you had a magic wand how would you get it towards moving towards you know my father used to have this uh philosophy he was my hero and was a he was a hard charge in da i always told the joke first 13 years of my life i thought my first name was dumb and my middle name was shit because that's all he ever called me and um but he had a philosophy that and the interest that given where we are today that the the way to solve this was to adopt the military system of justice, where one day you're a defense lawyer, the next day you could be a prosecutor. So you wouldn't become an ideologue.

The ideology was taken out of the system, and you were a cog in the system to either, if you're a defense, to advocate zealously, if you're the prosecution, it's to seek truth and justice, even if that means standing up and dismissing your case. You could take his recommendation and sort of expand it to consuming media. Which is exactly why I gave that to you, because I knew you would go there. Right.

We should be consuming each other's media, which I always try. I always try to think to myself, what am I missing? Why can't I? How can somebody think that way? It's very hard. And that's, I know that now you say, get out of your silos.

And that's what it is. You can't just have conversations. You know who's great at this, in my opinion? Pete Buttigieg, because Pete will go on to Fox and he will engage. What are you afraid of? If you're so confident, I'm with it. You want to reach the people that disagree with you.

Those are exactly the ones you want to get to. Exactly. And by the way, and I freely admit it's because I basically, my entire adult career has been in the adversarial system, but you can agree to disagree in a courtroom and then walk back out and be that's a colleague yes and that's how you get at at least a higher understanding of what truth is well collegiality has has broken down right it's evaporated a little bit yeah it's really bad in

medicine now really bad i i medicine is scary yeah scary. Well, when you say that, I agree with you, but what are you thinking? This idea, you and I have talked about this, the idea that you're going to invade the patient position privilege and what they can do. They've destroyed it. Yes. They've destroyed it. Right.

Back in the day when I was fighting hard to to to uh sort of preserve it i just kept saying imagine if they did that to the attorney client yeah imagine now they are now in california you've got the snitch rule where you're supposed to snitch on a lawyer if you know he's doing something you know all that's asking for is every single lawsuit you're going to snitch on your opponent and use the state bar as a cudgel. You've got the fact that we're going to lower the requirements for the bar exam. Then now you've got what they're talking about.

We're not even going to have a bar example. Then you've just, I mean, can you imagine if you started doing that in medicine? Oh, we're doing it. The medical board is a cudgel and being used as such with impunity and absolutely no no concern for what it does to the practitioners and uh yeah they're lowering their own they're trying to decide do they you know how do they make criteria and how do they lower the bar how they make it easier for people to get in to to get in because we need more doctors we need more

right more physicians and we don't have physicians here we don't have physicians there now we've got physicians assistants and we're going to let them do this. Well, that's been the other thing. For some, somebody wants to get rid of doctors entirely. Right. It's almost an attack on the profession. So I've taken the position lately that I've been fighting for the doctor-patient relationship. Then I was fighting for autonomy of physicians.

Now I'm like, we've totally, I didn't realize how, during COVID, my eyes were opened how bad it is. And I think we got to get it into the hands of the patient now. The patient has to have the power to get what he or she wants on their terms, whatever that is. That's why I've been working with a wellness company, because they're like, they want to give patients stuff and more access to things. That's what they need.

They need more, there's things that there's no reason they shouldn't have access to. You know, it's so funny because I was talking with a doctor last night, and I was complaining about, without getting into the facts of it, I said, this is what the medication that they prescribed produced. So rather than figure out that medication and the side effect, they gave or prescribed a medication to deal with the side effect. Of course. Right? We do that all the time.

Yeah. It's just, it's mind-boggling to me. But that's where we're at. The other thing is, while we're moving all these, I remember I was on anderson cooper's show remember they used to have that round table and anna navarro was there and he was there and they were talking about health care and i said well you know when you put the physician extenders in and they all went physician extended oh my god what is that are you what's wrong with you

is it you haven't seen a physician extender yet very soon you will right because that's all you're going to say that was that's all you're going to say less than 10 years ago oh easily yeah and it's that's all it is now but uh what was i going to say about the oh i i also have noticed that you know pharmacists are extremely well well trained biologists and clinicians if they want to bring people up towards the patient towards the front pharmacists should be empowered to come forward by the way i the when covid started and then they had the vaccines the guy who talked me out of the mrna was not a doctor as a pharmacist who said no well no mark not yet. Well, turn down. There's some issues there.

So how about that? I mean, it was interesting to me. And I've always had such great respect for pharmacists because they're being under-deployed. And they have residencies now and programs. You can make them really clinically very astute and stuff. And I've been speaking to pharmacy groups lately. No kidding. Yeah.

And I just think that's an important thing. What about the Kathy Hochul thing and quarantines and all that? What's going on there? I will tell you that I don't. This is in New York State. The governor of New York took or was challenged in court over this right to quarantine, I guess. Not right to lockdown, right to quarantine sick people, which I would, maybe I don't understand quite what's at issue, but I'd kind of defend her right to do that.

Well, I don't have a problem with quarantining sick people if we need to. But that was always, wasn't that? That's what we did for thousands of years. That's what we did. And no one ever called into question that. We didn't origin society. Society or well people. Right.

We never did that. That was never an idea. Never. It doesn't, didn't do it. I could get into that all day. But so what was at issue there? They just restored the old public health standard that sick people can be held. Right.

And then that became a political football once again because, God forbid. The excesses, the excesses. And I understand. I'm concerned about the excesses too. I get it because that could be used to do the quarantine of well people to see if they're sick. You know what I mean? That's what she used it for, which was not right.

And you can also say, well, that we're doing it for, it's always we're doing it for their own protection. We're doing it for the good of the whole. Right, exactly. It's just so easy to go there. And no, again, this is what I kept chanting, the risk-reward is not being contemplated. They don't know how to do that.

They're pediatricians, or they're not doctors, or they've never been put in this position before. All right, I've got a bunch of callers. I hope they have questions for you. Okay, well, we'll see. Maybe they've got questions for you, and I'll just we got. We'll see. Maybe they got questions for you and I'll just chime in. We will see. This is the Swamp.

Maybe the Swamp can answer your questions about the appeal in the stadiums for President Trump. Yes, I would like that. Give me a second here. Swamp, you're on. Hey, what's up, Dr. Drew? How are you, man?

So, wow, attorneys like to talk, huh? That's why he's here. We often joke we get paid by the word. Especially from New York. I'm Italian, he's Greek. It's pretty much the same thing. He's Armenian. It's pretty much the same thing. He's Armenian. Armenian.

Drop the I in. He's made a Greek out of you. Yeah, that too. Yeah, that too. We've talked about this a bunch of times, and I brought it up to you about the time that you spoke about you're in this, quote, funk. I had COVID three times, never got the vaccination,

but was a college dual sport college athlete and a vert skater as a kid. And I don't know if the things that are going on are a result of the COVID or is it long-term head trauma? And I know it's a fluid thing, which is why I keep asking you the same question because when you said it, I kind of took a real big step back and was like, wow, he's in a funk and he doesn't know why. And is it a COVID thing? Is there any new data that you've received on that? Be very more specific with me.

Are you talking about the cloudiness thing? Or are you talking about depression? Yes, yes, and yes. Okay. So the answer, of course, is yes and yes so yeah not the third yes but the yes and yes so so yes uh they're seeing a lot they're learning a lot more about long covid uh even nasty long covid stuff seems to resolve within three years uh though i've seen some i've seen some vaccine long covid that seems to be going longer so i don't know uh exactly what it is does seem to be viral

persistence there was a theory that some of that viral persistence was causing this change in the life cycle of inflammatory cells in the central nervous system, which always fit for me what was going on. Right. And then we don't know, you know, there's a lot of still question marks about, you know, vaccine effects. And then the lingering effects of the lockdown and the, uh-oh, I just dropped off the. Well, you know what?

I would jump in. I have made the anecdotal observation. Is there an exacerbation of mental illness? Oh, my God, yes. There's exacerbation of mental illness from COVID, for sure. Look, there's a guy named, there's a famous in like 1920, and he said, look, I think almost everything I'm seeing now is related to COVID, related to the 1918 flu. And he listed a whole series of psychiatric conditions, not just depression. And he said, I think this is all related to that flu. And so, yes, of course.

I mean, this thing did have a lot of central nervous system activity activity and it does, of course, affect our moods for sure. Whether it's causing other things, whether it's causing bipolar or thought disorders and things, I don't think so, but people are using more substances and that's causing more of these thought problems and other conditions, including mood and anxiety. And I agree because I do have you know two uh one high school kid and one in college and i feel like we lost an entire generation of social skills and mental aspects and etc etc etc you know because they just didn't experience what you and i did as a high school junior if you look back we should put together caleb or susan we should put together a montage one of these days of me back in the early days of covid going oh my god we're sacrificing we are sacrificing 8 to 15 year olds we are

sacrificing them yes they are going to be destroyed cognitively, destroyed developmentally, destroyed in terms of their mood. It just was so predictable. And yet it went on and on and on without light, without concern. Without any justification. Without concern. And you can see now the difference between a Florida and a Tennessee and a California in terms of what's happening with the kids. It's just so obvious. You're absolutely right and and there's there's uh just just the cognitive ability to speak in

public or interact face to face uh to your point in the different states listen is is you know what what i keep hoping that the people who do we we spoke to somebody uh just recently susan who do we have as a guest that was talking about this issue about education jennifer say jennifer say who is championing all this and uh i said to her and i'll say it to you uh which is that i i hope they get pissed they should be furious at what government and well-meaning officials did to them. And they should really think about that and become, frankly, extreme advocates for autonomy and freedom and individualized medicine and that sort of thing. So is it a cultural, biological?

Have you done the... In terms of why the mood problem? Yeah. It is neurological from the COVID. We don't know the full impact of the vaccine yet. I think that's probably more sporadic. It is developmental. It is just because kids develop an interaction with peers,

not with parents. It is cognitive. I mean, I was telling Jennifer Sayes a story that Susan got sick of me saying, and I'll say it to Mark just because he's here, which was when the Ukrainian war broke out. There was a ton of reporters at the Polish border interviewing the Ukrainian women with their children

coming across the Ukrainian border. And they put a microphone in every woman's face, and I heard this interview a ton of times. It was the same interview. What do you think? Horrible. Our sons, our husbands, our fathers are back there fighting this catastrophe then they would say in the next breath but these kids our kids they've been out of school for two

weeks two weeks we have to get them back in school now two weeks in school in a country where they don't speak the language it's that that important. Just in school, immediately, we understand how important that is. Two years we languished without saying, I'm sorry to what we did to a whole generation. Just wild. Wild. And then there's their emotional development. Look, you tell a nine-year-old, incoming nuclear weapon, shelter in place. And if you don't do what we're telling you to do, don't the confines of your room you're going to kill your family what do you think that's going to do

to a nine year they're going to grow up with a healthy bright attitude towards the future i mean it's just unbelievable and then made make everything cost so damn much uh so now they're worried about that which again that's the generation coming up is the one that sees it and feels it anyway this is uh marie we'll see if marie's got her mind here thank you swamp always good to talk to you ukrainian woman that's right my my heritage you know that's my family i'm well aware marie got there? Oh, you got to unmute yourself. Sir, hey, Mr. Dr. Drew. I know, I know, I know. And you have this topic, and I thought, oh, my God, I could have some fun.

Oh, good. I just wondered, in COVID camp, sir, did they have television? Am I allowed to be on the internet? In COVID camp, sir, is it, did they have television? Am I allowed to be on the internet? In COVID camp? In COVID camp. You mean when they were at school? School for COVID? Whatever kind of camp. What have they got going here?

Do I have to be re-educated? Or what is this? Oh, COVID camp meaning being quarantined and then- Kathy Hochul's camps for quarantines. Will you be reprogrammed at those camps? Is that the question? Yes, because you know what? I have a very open mind and I am vaccinated, by the way. I've had two of the shots and yes, um, yes, I've been taking, I hate, and I've been taking aspirin, aspirin and eating garlic.

Garlic is my savior. But, but, but. Good to care yourself. I'm all for it. I, hey, I try to, you're married, aren't you? Aren't you, Dr. Drew? Yes. Because I like your voice.

Yes, you should flip to, flip to Susan's picture. Here's Susan. Here's her picture. Yes! Wait Here's Susan There she is There I'll be your friend Susan I'll be your friend Don't beat up on me So anyway There's a dog in our picture

You can have him This is a dog Rex Wants to get in on everything. So what's the question, Marie? Hey, hey, so television or the internet, it is a must in the COVID camp. A must. All right, we'll put that recommendation through.

Governor Hochul, we'll see if she can make a suggestion that's fantastic uh we'll make a clip and send it to her uh michael what's going on there you got to unmute of course when you get up uh oh this is good fun hey michael dr, thanks for taking my time. And thank you for hosting this. On the mental capacity, I feel like the executive function was mostly affected by COVID. Just because of the irrational decisions that people started making, life choices, you know, and stuff like that. That was just my experience. I did not get the vaccine because my doctors recommended I didn't because my, uh, immune system is already compromised,

uh, from environmental toxins. And thankfully, thankfully I didn't take it. And in my own medical journal that I'm going to be presenting to the Veterans Administration eventually, I'm trying to find a link between the mRNA and the MS drugs that were developed over the past 20 years. Because the MS drugs are immunosuppressant. Sure. I'm sorry? In specific ways, most of them. In specific ways, most of them. In specific ways, most of them, yes.

Okay. Interesting. It's Michael. What does Michael do? Michael is a dissonant. Michael, can you be more specific besides being a dissonant? I feel your pain is a dissonant. Well, let's talk about 1996, 1997.

I'm listening to Dr. Drew talk about tiny penile papules in high school. Good. Pearly, pearly penile papules. Pearly, there you go. And then public accounting for 10 years after university. And then I started and founded uh a bunch of different companies in my 30s and now i'm in my 40s recovering from environmental toxins okay wow quite a career yeah it's nice well listen uh

is that is that it michael is that your just a statement really actually you have a question about executive function yeah go ahead the uh the the next step that i'm going to try and take and i'm trying to figure this out with my doctors is my dad was exposed to agent orange and we are trying to figure it out if my my genetics were changed as a result of that to make me more i was going to say the same so that was obviously the exposure was prior to you being conceived yeah yeah that's interesting correct uh listen because michael we yes is there a website or anything you want to refer people to to find out more about what you're doing? Actually, Mr. Garrick, I actually reached out to your firm because I'm in the process of finding counsel for a bunch of different areas. So I hope to hear from your firm in the near future.

I just did that while we were on the space. So thank you. All right, beautiful. He'll look forward to hearing from you. Fantastic. You picked the right guy. Yeah. So tell me something. He'll look forward to hearing from you. Fantastic. You picked the right guy. Yeah. So tell me something.

I'll tell you something. Okay, I will do that. If you think it was, you know, we go back to all of the various theories. Do you think that COVID itself, as opposed to, let's just put aside the vaccination, the virus, the virus itself. Well, when you say the virus itself,

it's been many different things across these few years. It's evolved. Yeah. Has there been, in your opinion, studies that have looked at the one year, two year, three year effect?

Yes. What do they, three-year effect? Yes. And what do they say? The most of, so the long COVID stuff is mostly going on out about a year or two years. What qualifies as long COVID? Well, that's a good question. I think mostly they're looking at cognitive problems. There are several different things.

It is exercise intolerance, like real severe intolerance, like you can't walk across the street. It is cognitive, real serious fogginess, where you can't function at work for long periods of time, a lot of drowsiness and weakness, that kind of thing. And those are the big three. There's a few other things that get in there. And most of those studies that I've seen are about a year or maybe two years so meaning a year out from yes they're still having

these symptoms two years still having these symptoms and some of them same with the vaccine the vaccine causes the same thing uh what i've seen recently is studies three years out on taste and smell saying it gets better which is sort of evidence that we could hope that some of these neurological symptoms are going to improve from the long covet too and if they're if the although the mechanism is probably different but okay why why well they thought on the the thought on this the sense of smell was it was vascular a vasculopathy that damaged the nerve when it's the long covid i think it's continued inflammation by a certain particular cell viral persistence so is there any

uh has anybody distinguished because i i would assume with the mass vaccination that you can't you can't distinguish between or or maybe you can't, the mRNA versus the non-mRNA? Have they done studies as to that? On who gets into trouble? Yeah. It looks like the studies I've seen, the best I can summarize that, answer your question, is that the spike protein's the problem, it seems like.

Though people are trying to make it the dna plasmids and the liquid nanoparticles of this and the the the um charge on the liquid there's all these theories about things that could hurt you but really the only consistent thing is the spike protein and if that's around in high quantities it seems to cause problems and the mrna produces more spike for longer periods of time in many people. So then the problems with the mRNA seem to be more. So it's amplified. Amplified, I think is a good way to say it. But we do see it from the other vaccines too, right?

The ones that are producing the spike protein, that's the problem. Where was I going with all this? Back to the outcome from the vaccine, though, that has been very concerning lately, is that the incidence of myocarditis in young males, I mean, it's all over the place. I've seen everything from every male has it to it's one in 10,000 to it's one in 800.

Let's say it's one in 5,000. What it's one in 800. Let's say it's one in 5,000. What was it prior to, before COVID was a thing? Myocarditis from viruses or from a vaccine? Or just in the population generally? In the population generally. It was that whenever my kids got sick, I always worried about that as the outcome, and you almost never saw it.

I mean, like maybe one in 100,000, something like that. Was Hank Gathers myocarditis? do you remember the basketball player lmu you mean uh you mean uh maybe it was that's the wrong name it was an lmu basketball player uh who had died on the court remember this and it was a cocaine thing you're not talking about that was led by len bias okay no i don't remember the Hank Gathers thing. I do remember there being another one that died, but I don't know because that also could, we could look it up really quick.

But it could have been congenital. So what is the general population prior to COVID? Back in the day, when a athlete died on the court, you'd go, oh, it's hypertrophic cardiomyopathy or congenital heart disease, almost without exception. Rarely it'd be some consequence of myocarditis down the road. But it was just unheard of. And myocarditis was a-

So why would you worry about it for the kids? Now? No, then. Oh, because it's so dreaded. It's just the dreaded, you know, mild viruses can- Exceedingly rare. Like nutty that I would worry about it crazy that i would worry so we're talking one hundred thousand one and a half a million or something like that

and um and when it started happening they were like oh it's just mild myocarditis is a emergency in a young person it is it can they can die suddenly from an arrhythmia with myocarditis how does it how does it actually happen you get inflammation of the heart muscle and when the heart muscle is inflamed it can become your rate you can produce electrical discharges that can stop the heart essentially or it can conduct electricity abnormally is it connected to afib it can be this but we're seeing more of other supraventricular arrhythmias not necessarily atrial fib but lots of other rapid rhythm disturbances is that now something that you see more often as opposed to not so much more often that back before covid when somebody in their 40s or 30s would come in with palpitations we'd pat

them on the knee and go just don't don't even worry about it since it's pvcs now we're going should we get a cardiac mri should we see if it's you know should we have to do a cardiac monitor because it's so common now if somebody's worried what do they do what how do they if we if we we do two go two different directions one is get a cardiac mri to see if there's any myocarditis, and the other is to get a continuous cardiac monitor to see what the heart's actually doing. Will the monitor actually pick it up? It'll pick up not the myocarditis, but the rhythm problems

that the myocarditis may be causing. Okay, so then you reverse engineer from the rhythm problems? Well, oftentimes people aren't doing that because what they do is they just look at the overall heart function and go, it's solid. Even if it is myocarditis, it's just causing rhythm problems. So I don't really need to know. So would EKG, would that show this?

Not really, no. Okay. It's an inflammation. It's a local inflammation. You can see it on MRI, but here's the troublesome part. There was an article in Circulation, which is a major, it's like a cardiological journal that was out of, I think, Hong Kong, that showed of all these kids that got myocarditis, half of them had persistent inflammation. I think

it was at a year or six, I think it was a year, the year out. That is breathtaking information and it's it was a couple of dozen kids right so it's one out of 800 or one out of a thousand or one out of 5 000 that get it so people went oh it was only 32 kids i mean what's the big deal how many of those kids would have been hospitalized with covid or gotten chronic medical disorder but of potentially life-threatening importance from COVID, the answer is zero. Wow. Zero. So that's where you can say it's not COVID.

But not only is it the mRNA vaccine, it's doing it. Yes, it's rare, but it's even rarer to get into serious trouble in that age group with no antecedents, with no other medical problems from COVID. So you're taking, so why are we pushing it in that age group? They should take it if their doctor wants them to take it or they want to take it. But to mandate it?

See, I think where this, where they're really going to get involved is where some college kids end up with serious, life-threatening long-term problems because of mandated vaccine that did not protect them from anything relevant. It didn't prevent transmission, and it wasn't meaningful to that age group at all. That's why emergency authorizations, or EUAs, remain. And there hasn't been full approval.

And even with full approval, they'd still have tons of protection but i i don't see how the universities are going to be protected from mandates that bioethicists around the globe said i don't think you have the data to do this and uh and they were they were fired or say as a famous case of Aaron Cariotti. He was the head of, you know, this is his story. Right. I do.

He was a decorated psychiatrist, psychiatric teacher at University of California, Irvine, head of their bioethics department for years. When they came up with the mandate, he raised his hand and says, I don't think you have the, I don't think you have the data to justify a mandate.

You can't, you can't bioethically require people to do something that has not significant benefit and maybe some real harm he was fired yeah and now he's in he's a plaintiff in biden versus missouri right and that's before the supreme court now how do you think that's going to go i think that the supreme court is going to rule that the district court was right. Refused to hear it then? Yeah. Just refused to hear it.

Yeah. And then that's it. Then what happens? Then it becomes the court of appeal decision, basically. But what does that mean? Well, they can sidestep legally or procedurally, I should say, by just mooting it, so to speak. But I don't know that they'll do it.

I'm just interested in watching procedurally how this unfolds. But let's say it goes back to the Court of Appeals as their decision stands. Right. What does that mean for the country? What does that mean for people that are, what does it mean for these mandates? What does this all mean? It's a very, I don't think it has any realistic impact on the mandates i think that it has more to do with the um the idea of manipulation social

media information through social media and so there'll be new law then or the people i don't know that there would even be new law i think you would i think you would have causes of action from the various people who were targeted i mean you know you were some right so somebody exactly and i may have you as a plaintiff let's do it let's do this because i do think i think we have an obligation to well you see this how many times oh my goodness i can't even count and all all gelman amnesia stuff all either carefully edited so it was twisted uh look i made a comment about a chinese bot uh two days ago and immediately got attacked with with well edited videos and things i thought oh that's interesting because it might be more than just our government in there manipulating things. So it's, oh, Susan loved that.

She is a CCP. Yeah, I was going to say, this is right up her alley. Oh, but Mark and I worked together at the beginning of the Dr. Droop's deal. And we never figured out who that mofo was. And I'm still wondering why we can't find out. Mark? Well, how would you find out i want to know who that guy was how would you do it i mean he said we tried yeah we tried we just we couldn't well i kind of have an idea but it's like don't you think youtube should tell us who who did that hit piece on us they have no obligation i mean i i think that it's, like Kelly said,

I don't like to take advice from people that I don't know who it is. Like, I'll have a conversation with you if I know who you are. And it's just, they're still anonymous, and their video is still up there. But anyways, Mark and I went down the AI bot thing with YouTube for a while and you know he's he knows what i've been through with that i watched it i had a front row seat yeah about that video that that so so that video excluded carefully cut out what i said at the end of every comment where

i was being a little hubristic and excessive i I just said, look, just listen to the CDC. Listen to Fauci. They'll get us through this every single time. I remember. Now, that clip, that part has emerged as, you see how wrong he was? He shouldn't have said anything about the CDC or Dr. Fauci. They're adulterated. So yeah, I didn't get everything all right all the time. I did not.

Well, who does? Nobody, and I evolved. There was a great uh shoot i i retweeted something uh oh well i can't get on it right now but there was a retweet of something about evolution about changing thoughts and it was from his famous author and about how that's you know that's such a glorious thing to change your opinion and evolve your thinking that's that's we do all the time. You're supposed to. We're supposed to ascend to the truth.

That is the scientific method. 100%. Last time I looked, I'm so... Well, this idea that there is a truth is... No, there is no truth. There is an approximation of the truth that we get through the scientific method, which is the best method we have found so far to help us approximate the truth. But it has all been highly adulterated recently.

That goes back. We could go all the way back. There it is. There it is. Changing your mind is probably one of the most beautiful things people can do. And I've changed my mind about a lot of things over the years. And I said, yep.

I said, that's it. There it is. It was Monica Gandhi put that up. So all right, my friend. Well, we have abused your time sufficiently. It's always a pleasure. He was really shocked to see you came into studio. I was shocked that Susan required you to, number one.

No, he's our first guest in-house studio. I love being the first guest. Yeah, and he lives near us. But secondly, that she was able to persuade you to do it. I mean, persuading the persuader is pretty impressive. And I was like, I sort of didn't think about it until you were driving in. I was like, what are you doing?

You've made it. He hasn't come in for anybody. What have you done here? But you know what? You look really good on camera. And it was nice the shot looks good and i think we'll keep this coming up here i will tell jake that i saw where his video yeah so we'll tell paulette i know so she'll be more interested in the fact that he

played uh conservatively 700 hours of call of duty up here in this room thank you all right my friend he's got to go he's got to go we'll let him go uh i will sort of of call duty up here in this room. Thank you. All right, my friend. He's got to go. He's got to go. We'll let him go. I will sort of, let me wrap up here. Let's put the, you can go. I appreciate it. He's got to be somewhere.

Yep. There we go. Samus Brunner in here tomorrow with Dr. Victory. Steve-O is going to be in on the first. We're going to take, are we going to take Wednesday and Thursday off, Susan? We're not going to do those from Austin? Is that correct? No, we're not going to do those from austin is that no we're not going to do it from austin oh we'll see it's on my schedule tom renns comes back on summer 4th he's been around lately with some interesting

stuff nicole and jemmy whom if you know but we have steve-o on friday so that's why we're not doing tuesday and wednesday he'll be in studio as well which is crazy crazy. And Nicole and Jemmy is very, has one of the most popular Instagram sites out there where she puts all these pathology specimens. She's an autopsy technician, is very knowledgeable about pathology and is very committed to medical education of the public. And she has a similar thought to I do,

is you should know this stuff. Why don't you know it? I've sort of expanded that little philosophy to thinking not only should you know it, you should have access to things you need cheaply and easily that you could easily understand how to use on your own without going to the emergency room or their urgent care or tele, even telehealth. Though telehealth can be an important part of helping you ask, answer questions about what you should and shouldn't be doing. I'm a very supportive of that.

And then Ed Dowd in here on December 6th with Dr. Kelly Victory again. And Ed, of course, always giving us wild updates to think about in his data. I do know that the Society of Actuarials has come up with some grave concerns. I want to talk about where Ed gets attacked. He gets attacked all the time for all kinds of things and help understand what that is and where that's coming from and how he addresses that. Susan, why don't you talk?

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We're going to use the studio again. And then we'll go back to a regular schedule. We're going to have our own cameras on Friday. We'll have them by a regular schedule. We're gonna have our own cameras on on Friday. So we'll have them by then. Yes, we're borrowing these today. Caleb got he had some excitement today, but he needs to go to bed now. So very quickly. Yeah, next week, though, is going to be on the fourth, fifth and sixth is actually a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, rather than a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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