Ask Dr. Drew - Charlie Kirk Shot In Utah: Discussing w/ Roseanne Barr & Analysis by Dr. James Thorp – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 530

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

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So many of us that knew Charlie Kirk are deeply upset, I think it would be the word, aggrieved. Lots of feelings flying around. Roseanne very kindly agreed to nevertheless join us today. So he and I kind of talk through, she and I kind of talk through things. At the end of our conversation, Dr. James Thorpe from the Wellness Board like myself, he has some ballistics expertise. He's going to talk to a little bit as about what actually happened. I know what I saw, and I knew it was not a survivable wound.

I could see it right at the outset. So we'll just get into some of the details of the horrific aspects and maybe some details on the forensics in terms of how we find this shooter. So stand by Roseanne after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

But just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble. You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. I've spent most of my career dealing with illnesses that shorten life. And now we have ways to extend it and extend wellness. I've been working with the team over at V Shred to develop a product that has everything I want in a longevity supplement. NR boost has nicotinamide riboside. You know how metal can rust? Well, your body behaves in a similar way.

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When I prescribe a medication, I prescribe that medicine because I expect that to work. That is exactly what I've done with these products. And I want you to go to Dr. Drew.com slash v shred MD for 10% off. Again, that is Dr. Drew.com slash V shred MD. Rosam Barr is one of those public figures who has identified much like Cher or Madonna with merely her name, Roseanne. The Roseanne Barr podcast is on Rumble. New episodes drop every Thursday.

Obviously, she's been in television to comedy for four decades. And she's been speaking her mind lately. You can follow her on rosanbar.com. Rosanna is Rosh-E-A-N-N-E. Rosam Bar and Rumble, the X is the real Roseanne YouTube, Roseanne Barr. Rosanne, thank you for being here and welcome on this tough day. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for inviting me on to talk about this horrible thing.

And I'm glad to be here. So there's two things that jump out of me. One is, you know, so many people that consume media and public figures look at them as some sort of cartoon character. That's why they feel at their liberty to act out on them and give them shit on X and all this stuff. they don't really understand the human being and i didn't know charlie well and i you know i was not a super charlie kirk fan but i was a fan of the human being charlie kirk he's a father he's got kids he's a husband just a great guy and everybody always said that about him what were your remember what do you remember i was a i was a big fan of charlie kirk a self-made intellectual uh which i really really

admire somebody who isn't what's the word Jake when they're brainwashed? Formerly educated? Yeah, brainwashed. I was going to say educated, but okay, brainwashed. Yeah, indoctrinated. Formerly indoctrinated. But he did manage to find a lot of intelligence and truth.

And he stood for that. He stood for historical truth and for himself for his own spiritual truth and and political truth, which in our country right now, all three are suffering as well as, you know, our constitutional rights being stripped and lawyered away with double talk. he could pair all double talk down to a human level and never raised his voice and never used how the left you know uses language as a weapon to say well you're fat and ugly you know because they can't debate but he was a great debater and a great mind and I think that he came out at it with so much love he had a such love of the truth and his own truth. And it was all from love and you could see it. And he would allow people to address him.

And he would deflect their insults and their MK Ultra mind-controlled programming. And he could see through to their heart and he would speak to their heart. He was a great orator. He was a great mind. I know that he loved our country. so much because he loved truth.

And America really is a country built on truth. The truth of the human being being born and bestowed by God, not man, with inalienable rights. And this is the only country that has that written in their constitutional, in their constitution. And I know that Charlie knew that and appreciated it and felt that. that was something to defend, and he defended it with his last breath, and funny enough, in my hometown of Salt Lake City, Utah, where I really saw firsthand how the media, the controlled and owned media, views the viewer and spews propaganda. the viewer's basic human rights and interests.

And Charlie was fighting that too. And God bless you, Charlie. God bless you, Charlie. God bless your family that's left that loved you and that you loved so much. Those little children are the age of my son's children. Charlie was younger than my son who has two children. Charlie, you were and are and are always going to be a hero to all of us who knew what you were about who knew that you were fighting for good against evil.

And we appreciate and we're always going to remember you. And all those kids and young people that you saved from that horrible mind wash of lemminess that they got going against the children of this country and the world, you saved a lot of them, Charlie, and thank you. you know there's a lot i want to respond to what you just said one is let's go back to the constitution are you not shocked i'm sure you are as am i that people are beginning to debate that rights are not given they are provided by the government my understanding is we are born with rights and we need to be protected those rights need to be protected from the government that's correct that's what

America stands for. We aren't going to let any little tyrant, any little Hitler's to come in here or any whatever they're called religious icons come in and take the rights of women away. We're not letting that happen. Not here in America. It's not going to happen. And Charlie knew that too and spoke of it often. So, you know, I loved him. How do we how do we get back to basics, you know, these various principles that we value? And is there some way that his death is not in vain? There's no way that his death was in vain. And I know it's too early. It's probably too early and probably not in the greatest of taste. But what the hell, Dr. Drew, I've never been known for good taste or good timing. In some things I have been.

in my joke telling I got good timing. But, you know, they created a martyr. They've created an RFK Jr. for us. And as horrible as that sounds, and a JFK Jr. too. And a Martin Luther King. He wasn't afraid to talk about race and how it is M.K. Ultra used against us so that we, I don't know how we got into getting judges in place that release rapists because of their color over and over and over on the streets

who've committed, you know, rape many, many times against even children. But they get let out. They don't serve their full service or whatever it's called sentence. My son is here because I'm getting all that. this case yesterday. Of course I did. It's all right. I knew I knew we'd be, well, no, not that case. Another one, a sheriff in Colorado somewhere, had to let a criminally insane man go on the street

because there's some weird legislation in that state or that region that holds that if somebody is so criminally insane that they're deemed not able to withstand trial, not stand for trial, trial. They must be released. Think about that logic. No, that's not unbelievable. That's lawfare commie BS. You know, they want to destroy our country and our communities and they like chaos. But I don't consider that's a constitutional law. I'm sure that's just some backroom BS thing they made up. But we do have like a lot of military men in our country and once you're a green beret say you're a green beret for life and they do take an oath to defend the citizens of this country from enemies foreign and domestic so i don't know maybe

that sheriff forgot that but you know there's a lot of times i mean this is a ridiculous thing to say but let's just compare realities you know a lot of times they you know a guy runs away from burger king for stealing a hamburger and he accidentally gets shot by the police 16 times i mean you know I don't see why he couldn't invent a scenario. And, you know, Dr. Drew, come on. Oh, you're going full weird on me. Okay. Well, I mean, come on, if we're going to get it.

But to that point, let's drill at that a little bit because what that exposes is your frustration and your anger and the lengths which you're, you know, sort of fantasizing going because of how you're feeling today. And my fear is, some people will do that quite literally themselves, yet police. Just I think, I fear that people are going to be driven to some sort of aggression or violence. And I don't know. I actually copied R of K Jr.'s quote after. Oh, I know, police, I know for sure that sometimes the people who are in charge of protecting vulnerable children on our streets, have a higher law to answer to. And I'm telling you the truth.

They do. They have a higher law than a screwed up, jacked up, nonsensical, un-American law that makes no sense that's probably unconstitutional, and I'm sure is unconstitutional. There's a higher law. There's a higher law. Let me, let me, you see if you agree with this. This is RFK. I'm talking about police, not crazy people like Democrats.

There's, again, a lot packed into your comments. This is RFK after Martin Luther King was shot. Ready? Escalis once wrote, even in our sleep, pain which we cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the heart until in our own despair against our will comes wisdom through awful grace of God. What we need in the United States is not division, not hatred, what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but wisdom and love and compassion and a feeling of justice towards those who still suffer, whether they be white or whether they be black. So say a prayer

is really what he asked for. And that averted a lot of aggression and violence. That was our of Okay. Yeah. Does it do you respond to you that? I want to say a prayer too. I want to say a prayer that America deeply wakes up and sees the danger right in front of its face and stop turning from it and stop ignoring it and stop justifying it and not facing it. as it blankets us everywhere. I think that's the danger, the danger of platitudes

in a time when darkness is ready to cover all of us over. We're in that time. Before you, didn't you tell me once that there was a eclipse or a confluence or something was coming? Is that right around now? Yeah, that's the star of Jacob on September 27th. Oh, interesting.

My question... Yeah. You just had the blood moon two days ago. Yeah, go ahead. But, you know, I look at things differently. And most people, I mean,

you have to give me that. And I see that we are in a war and it's a big spiritual war. And they're going after, they're stepping up the chaos. They're stepping up the chaos in this country against truth tellers. And because there's a whole lot more truth that's getting ready to come out. And, you know, that to me, Dr. Drew, there's a mental health crisis. Oh, for sure.

And when they go on the TV to stir up the mentally ill who are probably heavily drugged and living in grievance, which the media fed, I think it's maybe not so hard to get people who feel that they're in danger of, fascist Trump this is what they tell him on the media all the time he's going to take your rights away he's going to kill you because you have a mental illness or you know because you don't

think like everybody else Trump's going to come after you and they say it on the on CNN everything 24-7 the you know the trans people are being assaulted and in danger and then all the trans can be

triggered and take action, and that is what they're doing. And, you know, just the other day, I mean, Van Jones going on there and saying it's racist to talk about mentally ill black people killing white women, which has happened a lot in this country recently, but they covered up. And the one they covered up in San Francisco on the media, which is the enemy of the people. they covered up there they called the guy a dark white-skinned person because they really are they really want a race war it's actually a class war but they call it a race war because that's what a color revolution is and these people really are out and out communists so you know they want blood and they rejoice over blood to draw blood and you can see it on Twitter they're rejoicing that our Charlie was murdered um they really hate free speech they hate the free speech of um people who like America and people who uh like God and the Bible and they just they just

hate that people who want to make better of themselves they hate that because they really like sharing other people's stuff. They're committed to that and, you know, taking money from the government, which they don't have to work for. That is a pretty sweet revolution on its face, but you know what? It always ends in mass starvation. Right.

But they never think. Just read your history. Well, they don't read history. That's why they're so in love with the Palestine lie. that is a big ass lie and it's fed down our throat by all the media debaters which are really just shills to let me let me go back to your comment about media but the media I want to stay with that because before the mic's heated up you mentioned that really the problem is the media that's the media that's the problem is the media that's the media that's the real problem. That's the enemy of the people. And I want you to tell me, I want you to tell us more about that. Yeah, it's weird though. I mean, so they would say, oh, we're a minority voice because everyone

listens to Joe Rogan and goes to Fox News and stuff. But I don't think they take into account that they have control over the elites. They have control over the New York Times, the Atlantic, the, you know, all the networks. It adds up to quite a powerful force. Does it not? Well, they own our whole country. They own all of our meat. and they bamboozle and hoodwink us as to who, you know, I'll talk about that. But where's my dang ashtray, Jake? Right in front of you. Oh, damn.

Get on it, buddy. Come on, man. Thank God for my son. He's my CIA handling. I've seen it. You forget I was on your show and visited your house. I know. I was, oh, my God.

I asked how my daughter yesterday. I say, what day were you born again? I mean, what mother doesn't remember? Anyway. But, yeah, now here's what happened. Our country, I mean, okay, I'll just go into the M-K-Oter thing. The media just. I want to hear about the, I want to hear the media.

Yeah, the media part. The media, what they do, well, they're just, you know, the media is owned by the CIA. And, you know, and CAA, that great big old Hollywood. agency I always called it CIA because that that's where everything comes from

like you see all those movies in Hollywood that have weapons and such the cartoony movies Marvel Marvel comics and stuff they get the blueprints from the CIA and

build them so they work and it's all I'm sure I'm sure all the newspapers all All the radio and TV, they get their talking points from the CIA at a 4 a.m. drop so that they can develop it into fake news stories. And that's why if you look at the cross section of newscasters across the country, on every channel, they're all saying the very same way, this is a threat to our democracy. It's by road. No journalists.

There are no journalists. It's by computer AI. They get a script and they read it. And the purpose of it is to dupe the American people and never to tell them the truth, but keep them fighting each other so that we never collectively get together and point the finger of blame upward where it belongs to the manipulators and the people who are in charge. And who are those people? Why, they are the people that are in Qatar that are bought our government when Obama came in. He's the, it's the Muslim Brotherhood.

That's why I got fired, as I said it. The Muslim Brotherhood of Qatar and Obama is, you know, if not their president, then they're king. And he brought back to America. Do you think it was wrong? It was wrong for Trump to be conciliatory towards Qatar after Israeli bombed them? No. Trump never does anything wrong. You better watch what you say to me.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, I know, it makes my interview much easier. When everybody was mad at him from going over to Qatar and saying all this, what is he doing? He's going over there and getting with Qatar and this and that. I said, you don't get it. Just wait.

Please forgive him. Huh? For he not knows what he said. That's right. What was that from? One of his best. ofs. Listen to what President Trump just said.

In honor Charlie Kirk, a truly great American patriot. I am ordering all-American fliers out the United States lower to half-mast until Sunday evening at 10 p.m. Thank you, President Trump. A great honor of two programs. But no, when he went over there to Qatar, I'm like, look at what this really means. This means Qatar is a. given the assent to the Abrahamic Accords, which you know I named it that. As you know, I'm a nosy and fancy, body, old Jewish woman that never, ever stops.

And I did give the name to, what's his name? I can't remember anything. But I did go to a thing, I go, you should name it the Abrahamic. Anyway, so when he went over there, I thought. Wait, let's examine that, Roseanne, because people don't really understand the common origin of the Abrahamic religion. that people don't know that. Well, because they're dumb as hell, and they don't know anything about history

or especially religiousism, which I'm all into. My whole life has been... I just love Judaic history. I'm a Jew. Like you, doctor. But, you know, but anyway, so I love Jewish history,

and I've always loved it. It's fascinating. It is the history of the Western world. So, you know, And, of course, to me, that's the Abrahamic history, which includes all three Abrahamic religions. I'm not a chauvinist about it. Because, you know, it's all, they're all interwoven. So anyway, I can't remember what we're talking about.

Oh, yeah. What are we talking about? The media. We're talking about the media, and you're talking about Trump, and they've half-mast. But I really want to hear more about the media, because I agree with you, they are out of control, but then they would point back at somebody at Charlie Kirk and go,

he's inciting violence. He's inciting violence. How do we get people to respect free speech but not be hysterical? Well, there's a certain point where people are going to be hysterical if they are not allowed to speak long enough. They are going to get hysterical. And, you know, like, you have to have free speech.

many have to define free speech and I think that's where we're at right now we're having trouble defining what is free speech because of course there is a love to it as the Constitution points out you can't go in a room and go fire you can't do that

that isn't free speech that's inciting you know chaos and you know death really so you know that isn't free that's something beside free. And free speech is fantastic

because people have to remember when they do speak freely, what that means is that your opposition has the right to freely speak back to you. And they don't like that on the left. They think free speech is them coming out. We're wanting all the use, we want all the people who don't agree with us dead.

They don't deserve to live and they must fight. And then when the opposition comes in and goes, you are wrong and you're a fascist, they go, they're suppressing my free speech. Well, this is a quandary, and America has to look at it. And the people who say they defend free speech, the leftists, they're always on the wrong side of it. And people have to see it.

We're in the age where we have to actually witness what is going on right in front of our face, and we seem to have a lot of trouble doing that, because we never, ever see it reflected on the media. Now, you say people watch, you know, people don't watch me. They don't watch what I say on my podcast. They watch a lot of other podcasts that don't talk about this. But, you know, I don't really talk about space aliens and crap like that. And I don't get with a bunch of guys in like verbally jack off.

I talk about MK. Ultra Mind Control on the media. And, you know, people don't want to hear it. They just don't because they don't want to see what's right in front of their face because they, I guess, are they so afraid or just so conditioned or just victimized? Well, you know what it is? You know what it is? You're, I wholly believe what you were saying about the persuasion tactics. By the way, you didn't use to smoke so much. What's going on here?

Are you okay? I challenge. In my business, I worry about you. I challenged you on my last show where I did your thing of the wellness thing. I go, doctor, do you better. I want you to come up with a formula to help me quit smoking. I'm challenging. It's all up to you.

You know, vaping nicotine, vaping nicotine really helps. That's always the number one way people get off cigarettes. And nicotine is not the problem. It's the addictive component, but the tobacco is the problem. So vape nicotine. Jack, Jake, get on that a little bit. You see if you can switch her over to that. Then we'll talk about how to get her off that.

We need your bones and your teeth, though. We need cattle prods to be honest. Yeah. So listen, I want to respond to what you said about MK Ultra and the media. I have no problem believing that the techniques of persuasion that have, that have infiltrated media look like or a facsimile of an M.K. Ultra

style operation or even were originated in the MK. Ultra when they designed these sort of plans, you know, these sort of ways of moving people around of which, frankly, Madison Avenue took over. They were the first ones to take over, right?

The market people took that over. That's right. And now the Don Draper's handed off to the Don Lemons. And so, So it's persuasion now is in the hands of the media. People don't really realize. And the word for that in the mid-20th century was propaganda. Yes, it is propaganda.

And that's what people. And so maybe if you just use the word propaganda, people would accept it. Okay. Well, Obama, when he was in office, what was, the Smith? I can't remember. Smith month. Thank you, son. I used to know it off the top of my head.

Yeah, he, you know, took that back so that it was now free to use the people's airwaves, which are owned by the people. As a matter of fact, he made it a way to send propaganda, which was theretofore illegal. He made it legal to use the people to bullshit the people into their own demise. Why don't you, whoever you persuaded to get the Abraham Accords, called the Abraham Accords, maybe you can get them to bring back this prohibition. against propaganda because that would go a long way to helping things, it seems me. Believe me, there's not just me, but there are many people in this country who tried to get that, try to get that going. A lot of things. A lot of people, the greatest thing since Trump was elected is that it fired up a lot of the grassroots people, real grassroots, not paid operatives and shills,

but real people in every town in America, every small town to take back their small. all town government. And that is a revolution that's going on that you don't hear about on any media, but we are doing it. And, you know, it's good to hear. The, the, the, yeah, it's, it's, it's so, um, weird to me that. 24-7 wall of propaganda. And so how do we who are busy and just want to turn on the news to, um, no, they don't have time to scroll 19, hours a day like I do. Yeah. But the, what was I saying about the propaganda?

I try to be a resource center with all the things I do read to parse them out to people who watch me because I do feel it's my response as Charlie did. It's my responsibility to educate people with truth because that's our weapon. That's the only way we can win is truth. we're not going to win with propaganda. That's going to take us down. Point of propaganda. And reality.

They can beat them down. Reality has a way of asserting itself, but it can take some big detours along the way. It can really get adulterated for quite long periods of time. But I want to get back to the propaganda thing because it kind of interests me that this is, this, you know, things, people are being fed their opinions and they don't know it. They don't know they're sort of, and they're not arriving at their own opinions. They're not thinking about things and they're not reading history and arriving their own conclusions and always uncertain and always changing their point of view and always looking and evaluating. And the fact that we have an elite in power who seems to have forgotten that they are our employees. They are the servants of the people.

And they have switched it where sometimes I feel like they think we're here to serve them. well they don't think that at all they they think of us as prey a way for them to become more wealthy and and and and and uh garner more power because that's all they care about is power that they can flash at each other they don't care about us at all we're just in their way and i think that they have already decided they've got to get rid of a lot of us because you know we're useless eaters or troublemakers and they don't have time for that it's getting in the way of them. As Richard Pryor said,

they have no place to ride their horsies. I remember I, when I was a kid, I, when I was in like ninth grade, eighth grade, I memorized that entire album. That entire thing. When people used to, when people used to listen to comedy albums. And I will tell you when I listen to his stuff now,

where I watch, you know, on the Sunset Strip appearance or something. His comedy comes through like freaking Homeric poetry for me. Am I making too much of it? No, he was a great Homeric poet. Absolutely. And so was Paul Mooney. That's what I thought. Writers.

Paul Mooney's stuff is timeless too about America. But this is a new America. And Harley was one of the new American. Americans. And I was so proud of them because I feel like, well, I raised a lot of them kids. And I do look at them as kind of my kids. And they're good and they're smart. Despite everything, they know what's real. I love that. It's so sad. Let's talk about Charlie. I can't even. It doesn't even penetrate because it's horrifying or one. I know. I know.

Yeah. I just want to talk about Charlie as a martyr, which you said that's what you think is going to happen here. Is it relevant that young males are being sacrificed? He's a young man. And is it somehow, do you think that is what is particularly disgusting, outrageous, sad about this whole thing that, you know, people, you know, we, I'm thinking

about it, this is a poorly formed thought, but just before we go to break, you know, people aren't having sex, they aren't having families, they're not having kids, but those that are, like Charlie, get martyred. It somehow on some level stirs me in a way I have trouble

articulating. Well, it's, kind of like I feel when everybody's saying well that stuff about it's time to unite and we this and that and the other and you know I think about that and I think well that is such a nice thought but then you go when you're when you're kind to the cruel and when you're cruel

to the kind which I think is where we're at right now you're you're not you're in a moral quandary that you really need to think about and discuss with other people and that's why I said sheriff

being kind to the cruel is not a culture or a country we want and being cruel to the kind is neither the country we want. We have values that need to be sorted out and of course I think

we need to go back to the basics than why I so admired Charlie because he had gone down to the basics, down to the basics of where his soul had its truth. And that's where we all need to go. And I think that that's part of what Charlie stood for to sit there and speak from the soul about the truth he had found that made his life worthwhile

and not just that, but made him want to go out. and speak to those people and bring them, you know? I have to take a little break here. A strength of character that we all hope for. Yeah, let's take a break. Yeah, character is a word that we need to re-enter the common daily lexicon, you know, assessing people's character, talking about people's character. But I'm not going to keep you too much longer,

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Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. Rosanne's with me still, and we are going to jump over to the topic of the young Ukrainian girl. And I see this, the whole thing that's getting me

just troubled. Obviously, the individual events or beyond belief, but that we're sacrificing young people. I don't understand, you know, the whole thing is about our world is, you know, big people take care of little people. And that is not what's happening. We have big people staying in office and accumulating power and money at the expense of little people.

Do you agree with me? Is that troubling you the way it is me or is it something else? Yeah, that's always troubled me, that pyramid. That's always troubled me, the few at the expense of the many. But it's not just that they are after the hearts and minds of the American youth. And, you know, because all wars are fought for hearts and minds. So that is what they're after. And it is an international movement of, you know, communism allied with jihad.

And the left is all bought out with it. Their brains are gone. They're propagandized into that whole thing. And Charlie was saving the other American youth from it in everything he said and did from the caliphate that they want to come to America and the Western world. They want the Western world destroyed. And Charlie stood up for it like a lot of these other right-wing podcasters have no idea about, and they seem to be colluding with it. but Charlie didn't. And I think that's why they targeted him.

And it's terrifying. I also, I see what's happening in the UK. Yeah, it is terrifying. And America is like laud-di-da. American citizens are so lulled into sleep that they will sit there on a subway while somebody gets their throat cut and not do a thing, not move,

not see it. Just sit there like in trance in a stupor and look straight ahead like they did during this woman's life being ended by, you know, pretty much a mentally deranged person who'd been let out too many times by an activist judge who cares nothing about human life. And it's over and over again. How many times do we have to see it? It's just disgusting. I don't know what Trump is going to do about it, but it's obviously part of the whole

bringing in crazy people, remember Trump said they're importing people from mental asylums and killers, they're letting them out of prison in other countries and bringing them here. And they did it by the hundreds of thousands because this is what they want. They want chaos and death and blood because this is an overthrow of our country. And they don't like our country because we have women. women's rights, and, you know, we have rights for all people equally, and we stand for something, and they don't like any of that, because we don't knuckle under to tyrants, and they hate that.

Yeah, yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about this. I mean, I mean, the owners of the world. And that you position, you say they're in. they're in moneyed interest in the Middle East or something that they're all the moneyed interests in the world that bank at the Bank of International settlements

in Basel, Switzerland and decide every war and then sell weapons to both sides. You know they run on blackmail and war and misery and that has to change and our President Trump, he's changing it and people need to read more about

that. How he's changing everything in the world and we're so lucky to have them. And I was going to continue on about him going to Qatar and I knew that it was in the interest of the Abraham Accords and I think that what happened in Qatar the other day with all

the, it wasn't just Hamas, it was the Palestinian authority that's worse than Hamas. That's who they killed and there was no way they didn't do it with the recognition of both Qatar and America. So I think

that it's like all of the countries in the Middle East realize that that kind of stuff is over now and they're all irked by all the terrorism. They want it over and so does the world and great, it's going to be over soon and thank you President Trump for that.

Back to this guy that was let out multiple times. I mean, we have it is not hard to provide custodial care to violent or chronically ill, mentally ill, with chronic brain disease. is this guy's own mother who's on the screen said he should not have been on the streets.

I worked in a facility for 30 years. It had a chronic custodial element wing to it. And these people were happy as could be. And outside of that structure environment, they were disastrous. And we have somehow... They have no interstructure. So they require an outer structure. And they just release them on the street.

And it's so cruel to everybody. It's so cruel. It's inhuman. Let's just ask the question simply, this guy. This guy happier now? Is he happier because of what happened here? He's happier because he let off. His life is better because that judge let him out?

No, if he'd been in a proper treatment environment, there's so many hundreds of thousands of people that need that care, not just the custodial care, but the acute addiction treatment and the schizophrenia treatments that are so effective. Then people are somehow, I think I told you this before, they have in their mind run flu, a hospital front, one flew over the cuckoo's nest, which was 1959 when Ken Kesey wrote that book. He started writing that book in the late 50s. We're coming in on 75 years ago from when that book was written. Do you don't think brain science, brain

medicine, psychiatric medical care has changed since 75 years ago? Look at what it was 75 years before Ken Kesey wrote that book. It was real asylums in European prisons and things. have improved greatly. Mental health for people in treatment environments is, they need to go ahead. Mental health activists need

to, you know, get far busier. And President Trump said that he was going to bring mental institutions back. And I think that's so important to our country's mental health. Because we have to know that the people in our families

that are homeless largely and are suffering, a lot of a lot of them are veterans that, you know, have severe PTSD, but we have to know that they're being cared for. We just don't dump them on the streets. My God, this is the United States of America, and we care for our ill and our needy. Or Roseanne, or we don't dump them in an apartment. We don't dump them in four walls.

That's just as good as no walls, just as bad. Dumping them into an apartment somewhere is not helping them that does not get them better. If that got them better, all those years I spent in the psychiatric hospital working, Oh, all I had to do is put people in a room and they'd get better. Magic. Oh, I wasted all my time. Thank you for telling me that a room is going to make people a chronic psychiatric illness suddenly well. It is disgusting.

But I've kept you a lot here. You've been very generous with your time. Let's go back to the media and then let's get to Charlie and wrap this up. The media has become the – and it's not – you pointed the finger at the traditional media, the mainstream media. But let's be fair, social media whips people up also. in all kinds of crazy directions. It's gone completely Nazi. It's frigging the worst thing ever.

That's what I say about free speech. So what do we do? It's not free speech to go out and be a Nazi. That ain't no free speech. Inciting violence and hatred and, you know, helping to hunt Jews in the streets all over the world. What the hell? You've got to answer for that.

It's just not right. And they do it. So what's your, you're tilting at, what you're pointing at is the extremes on both sides are the problem. Yeah. We've got to get rid of the extreme. The extremes are the enemy. I agree. Because what they do, the extremes. And here, here's how they're useful to the people that pull the strings and turn us against each other and make bank on all of it. You know, they do. I'm talking about billionaires and above. You know, those people, they need their brains unscrewed.

And I've seen a lot of them get unscrued, too, so it's not hopeless that they could rejoin the human race. But what they do is, you know, it's all media campaign, it's marketing. But they use the two extremes as the voices of the media. And what they do there is marginalize the vast middle. And America is the country of the vast middle. And the middle is the whatever it is. I can't think of the word, but when the two extremes become, what's the word? Not rectified, but no, I can't think of the word anymore.

Anyway, but the middle is us. The middle is everybody. The middle is just the average person wants to be left alone. Yeah, it's the average Main Street American whose views run according to data. They used to run middle left, but now they run middle right because it was necessary. it went too far left. So now it corrects itself by going middle right. That's the vast middle and that's why everybody voted for Trump, right?

But these two extremes marginalize the truth because they're like, okay, everybody's any sex they want to be. And, you know, we have the right to destroy a country we don't like. Of course, there's only one country on earth we're going to destroy. And that happens to be that one, our religion don't agree. with. I mean, it's just huge and we have to find our way out of it because we won't survive it if we don't. And we find our way out of it with words, with debate, with, you know, intelligent conversations. Speech. Back to speech. Real free speech. Which is about liberation of the mind, not closing it down. That's what Charlie said. And that's what Charlie said. I love that. And I love

Charlie, Charlie, we're never going to forget you. So let's wrap up with your thoughts on Charlie because it is,

I'm filled with sadness and discontent because of this. I don't know the words to describe how I feel, but it's not good. Give us just the last

couple of minutes on your feelings about Charlie, your remembrances and how you're going to proceed in his memory. Um,

well I'm going to talk about him more and I'm going to talk about him a lot and I think everybody should and remember him remember what he did remember what he said remember why remember how he tried to knit us together with common sense and that is you know Thomas Payne's book

common sense remember that common sense remember that this country read about the amistat That was a lawsuit brought by slaves to the Supreme Court of the United States who ruled in their favor. Let's talk about that instead of all the horrors of slavery. Let's talk about how the United States ended and moved on and grew and needs to create wealth in those communities instead of allowing communists to use them as human shields for their ideology. Let's move on.

Let's embrace common sense, the vast middle where Americans live and where God almighty likes us to go. Razan, I appreciate you being here. The shows drop on Thursday. So today is Wednesday tomorrow. Do you know what you're talking about? Tomorrow. We move on. Oh.

Friday. Well, I was going to be talking about Tina Peters. And, you know, this fantastic Gold Star mom who made a sacrifice of taking a picture of the voting machines in Colorado. She was the county clerk, and it was her job to do that. She took a picture of the machine before and after the technicians serviced it. And for that, she was sentenced to prison. And we are trying to petition her to be pardoned and released from prison, a gold star mom. And, you know, we want to set this country right like it's supposed to be

and out of the hands of crazy, crazy people who don't care about what it stands for. Don't care about us. Don't care about Char. I appreciate your thoughts today. And I appreciate it for those of you that are just joining you, Roseanne was very upset about Charlie Kirk and was contemplating, not talking to you all, but I'm glad you decided otherwise, and I deeply appreciate it, Rosanne.

So thank you for joining me. Get on that smoking thing, Dr. Drew. Thank you for having me. I'm going to put Jake on. I got it. I got it. Thank you, Dr. Drew. I bless you.

See you guys, Sam. I bless you. Bye. So I'm just feeling weirdly, like, burdened by sadness. I guess it is the feeling I have. Yeah, it's an odd feeling. It's very difficult to decide if you're going to do a show or, you know,

but I just felt like it was important for us to have her come on. Oh, for sure. I mean, it was perfect timing for her. She today was her day. But also, it really helped me hearing her. Oh, good. And I hope it helped others. That's the plan.

I mean, I just, I have so little faith in the world. world these days and I'm you know and I know this this man was a big part of our country and it's just so sad and my heart goes out to his family and his friends and the people that were really close to him and everybody who loved him also for what he did in the media and also you know we appreciated him being on our show and and also you know he you've done his show but he he was nice enough to come back on come on our show and but I I just I'm so glad she showed up. I am so glad. So we're going to switch gears a little bit.

We're going to talk to my friend, Dr. James Thorpe, a medical freedom fighter, extraordinary. He's an OBGYN, maternal fetal medicine specialist. He's a sub-sub-sub-specialist in high-risk obstetrics. He's also the chief of our maternal and paternal medicine at the wellness company, where I'm the chief patient officer. And we've talked to Jim before on this show, but he has some ballistics expertise, and I'm going to change gears a little bit. Jim, thank you for being here.

Oh, I can't hear Dr. Thorpe. Is that? No, I heard it a little bit. Caleb, can we solve that? Unmute yourself. He might be on the wrong mic. I heard it slightly. Oh, the wrong mic.

Yeah, we'll get that fix in a second. But I'm going to get James. I think that was my fault. I know what I saw. There you go, Jim. Thank you for being here. Look at that fancy mic. So just, I know you're very stirred by the Charlie Kirk assassination.

I wanted to give you a chance to speak about that. And then you gave those of us at the wellness company some specific ballistic observations that I find kind of interesting because I knew when I saw the video of what happened, this was not a survivable event. I just knew it immediately. I saw the carotid, I saw evidence of carotid rupture and that was that. But I want to get your thoughts. thoughts and people if you did this this may get a little explicit and we get to the

sort of the medical part of this but so if you don't want to hear about it I don't blame people but let's I'll first want to get your thoughts on Charlie and what it means to you well it's a it's a very sad day for Maggie and I and more deeply disturbed and we send our condolences love to the family of Charlie Kirk his beautiful wife here America married four years and it's got two beautiful children. And I loved him, I loved his values. He's a fellow brother and follower of Jesus Christ as I am. And it's very, very upsetting.

He was the voice of reason. He was such an honorable gentleman. He loved people on both sides. He never incited violence. He incited love. Discourse between the right and left. He tried to bring our country together. It's very deeply deserving to me in one hand,

but on the other hand, I know where he is right now. He didn't die. He is immortal with his soul, like your soul and my soul, Drew. And he's in heaven is the most phenomenal thing that any human being could ever imagine. St. Paul told us that our eyes couldn't even imagine. Our minds cannot fathom what God has waiting for us. Jesus Christ is our Savior. And I know he's with Jesus.

And it's hard to take comfort in that right now, but I know that he's in a better place. And I look forward to being with him sometime and meeting him. He's an incredible man. Just a young man, 33 years old. I know. I know. Crazy. Super crazy. That's what I was talking to Rosanne about is this business of young people. We've under, we have not served young people well. We've not given them financial and economic and political support that they need. And now we're actually, this country is actually taking their lives. It's really the meaning behind that to me is so deeply, deeply disturbing. But let's, you have some. some ballistics experience and you shared with me something about you thought

about this bullet that hit Charlie and maybe you know to give us a sense of what kind of person I mean this has to be somebody who was trained in sniping with a sort of a military style bullet is that is that accurate well

I do want to qualify I am not a ballistics expert or a forensic pathologist I'm good gracious I'm I'm around most of time, you know, new life, healthy, beautiful pregnant women, preborns, but I am a disabled veteran and I did, was trained in combat casualty care and was on what haven't been deployed on the battle fleet, but I did all that training back in the day when we used live subjects

animals and we were trained how to save lives in the operating room after a high-velocity bullet wound so I'm not any expert at all but what I first saw

was it looked awful it appeared I was praying the bullet came right about here at the entry point. And a high-velocity bullet

is very different than a slower bullet. And it inflicts a very tiny entrance wound. Let's say if you take the thigh of a very large animal in the military

before it was outlaw. we used sheep and we kept them alive on the ventilators after they were inflicted with a wound in their bodies. And you could not see the entry wound very, very well at all because it, the round pierced the flesh of the animal. and it was very small, a centimeter or less. But as that bullet went in a cone of shock wave way far outside of that small bullet caused devitalized tissue from the shock and the disruption of the capillary vessels. And by the time you got to the other side of the flank, you were looking at a massive hole and we would have to go in and then debrief that.

and you could always tell, of course, which was devitalized tissue because it was dark. There was no blood, and you just had to cut that away until you get to fertilize tissue when you saw red blood. So it's a very, very damaging that. And this was, appeared to me, it had the characteristics of a high velocity around. And I was hoping that it just went in his neck. and grazed him and caught the internal and external jugular veins. Because we got some pretty graphic close-up shots of the blood coming out of his neck. Yeah.

It was awful, but it looked like venous blood. It didn't look like arterial blood. So I was praying to Jesus that he would survive, that they could get him to the hospital quick enough. the bleeding and resuscitate him, but that didn't happen. You know, it's just horrible. We look at the violence, you know, just this year, it's just, Dr. Drew, it's so out of control. It's almost like I'm reading the Olivet discourse in Matthew chapter 24, where Jesus

describes the end time. It's awful. Love would go away. Hatred, violence, lawlessness, war, killing. You know, just this year, according to Wikipedia, there's been 309 mass killings of shootings. 309 just in 2025. Crazy.

And so if you, they accordingly described a mass shooting, mass killing as greater four or more people shot and killed or injured. It's just, it's stunning. And I'm, you know, Charlie Kirk was such a man of faith. He gave me so much hope for children that are younger than my children. and my youngest daughter is 39 he was 31 and is such a beacon of hope and love and it's devastating to me because he had so much to offer his generation and I get it gets dark when you start thinking that okay they're really people way over on this liberal progressive side. It seems to me like they're programming these people to hate and to kill. I mean, this poor Irina Zarutka, my lord in heaven, she was a refugee from Ukraine, getting away from a war. And she comes here and gets brutally. I'm going to say executed.

on the altar of the progressive liberal DEI platforms with this crazy individual. I mean, I know you showed pictures of her with Roseanne Barr. I mean, this was a beautiful young woman with her whole life in front of her. She just wanted to get away from violence in war. And she comes to the United States of America and literally gets executed on the altar. of Satan. Well, it's, again, this man's own mother was saying he should have been in a custodial care environment. And that's my focus on all of this, that they are not taking care of people.

Is that man who stabbed? Or he should have been in jail? Well, is he happier now because he was let out? Is his life going to be better now? No, it's, of course, they've sacrificed him too. They sacrificed him as well. But, Jim, I've got to kind of wrap things. up. I just wanted to spend a few minutes

with you. I knew you'd have some very strong feelings about this. And I appreciate the little talk about the injury because, you know, everyone saw that video and everyone, you know, I just want to... I haven't looked. I won't look. Don't if you haven't. It's not, it is not... I won't look at either of the

videos, but I've seen glimpses of it and it's enough. It's wild. And you're watching somebody getting killed on all that. Two people. Yeah. This week. Within... And it was, it's kind of reminds me it's kind of the JFK film. That kind of, you know, the Zabruder tape.

And it's good at how a graphic and disturbing it is. What's that, Caleb? If I could ask a question, I know a lot of people have been asking the same one. I'm not going to show the video. But if people have seen the video, then you notice that he jumps up, stabs her a bunch of times. And then she kind of sits there for a few seconds, almost like moving around, looking around, and then falls over. And can you explain kind of what was happening in that scene? what was going on with her and why did she seem like conscious for a short time?

I will give it a shot, which is that when people use a really sharp knife, you don't really feel it. You may not feel a thing. And he probably punctured a major artery in her chest and you very quickly lose consciousness. Your chest fills with blood and you don't feel anything except unconscious. And if you notice she had her hands to her mouth, like looking around, she saw blood. The only thing she registered was blood on. her blouse and then boom over jim anything else you think no i think that's spot on it's so sad you know i if i may get in just one last comment parting comment for the kirk family those of us who love him just two hours i think before his death he posted a bible verse it was almost prophetic for us

for his family. And that Bible verse was Psalm 46, verse one, God is our refuge and our strength, a very present help and trouble. And we need to focus on that. And I pray for God's blessing and protection of the Kirk family, their extended family. I agree with you.

Jim, thank you so much. You and I will see each other very soon. Thanks for having me, Andrew. you bet so a very challenging day a challenging show challenging time uh let's talk about tomorrow a little bit if you guys don't mind those of you who what's that it's making me cry those of you that are new to us we had a lot of people watching today we are here Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday at 3 o'clock Douglas Mackey has been making some interesting post and Nick Holcher who is uh Peter McCullough's research limb bringing some new data to us next week Zach Levi

Batja, Ungar Sargon, and Joel Adipo come in the following week, Jessica Rose, J.P. Sears. We got a lot of people coming our way. So do come back and visit us, and you can always check the show out at Dr.Doo.com or Dr. Drew.TV. Caleb, anything from you? No, I had to abandon all the funny things I was going to say to Roseanne because I just didn't feel like it today. So we got to get her back when we can say funny things again. I just didn't feel all my jokes were going. she likes having serious talks

and she was quite linear and direct and cohesive and spot on with a lot of her stuff so I think she would feel good about that which is how I wanted her to feel today we'll save her comedy for the Legion of Skanks and the Skank Fest

sometimes I see her good way to end of the show just say the Legion of Skanks Yes that's our comedy for the day so do check out, Susan, anything on the rants or the Rumble Rants or the re-streams? No, everybody's thankful and, you know, reach out to Roseanne, tell her how great she is. That always makes me happy if people reach out to our guests and I heard you on ask Dr. Dru and thank

you because, you know, when you walk away from doing a show like this, it's like you always wonder, you know, how you did. Yeah. Heartbreaking. Kathleen says we have a mental health issue in the U.S. We have a mental health care issue. We are not giving care to people that. needed. And then after that, more generally, we do have kind of mental health. We have shitty laws once they get

incarcerated, like they or get caught for doing stuff. That's the other thing. We have to fix that. What did, Emily Barsh wants me to say something here. I'm looking at a prep note. And thank you, Emily, for the challenge today. We figured it out. And thank you, Dr. Thorpe. That was uplifting. I needed that. Yes. I thought he'd be a nice

little addition to this conversation. Emily Barge, I'm not clearly getting your direction here on tomorrow. Oh, I see what you're saying. That we don't have to do all Kirk tomorrow. No, we won't. We will give an update. We'll talk

about our feelings again. And then we'll talk to Nick Holscher and Douglas Mackey. And there's a lot still, obviously, a lot's still going on. I think we're going to be talking about Charlie Kirk for a long time. Yeah, I think it's going to have the opposite effect. It's going to be big.

He's a martyr now. As Roseanne said, yeah, he's a martyr and we need to. And the fact that we all had to watch it collectively, I think is what that piece is more powerful than I think people know. I mean, we almost saw that happen to Trump. And I was like, oh my God, thank Jesus. That didn't happen. Correct.

And this is what it would have looked like. It was close. And I don't know. I just thought. people should make sense of what they were seeing. Also, that's why one of the things I'm going to Dr. Thorpe talking about. I bet Trump has a little PTSD watching this. Possibly.

Possibly. Or his family, certainly. Oh, boy. All right, everybody. Tough day. We thoughts are with you. Prayers to Charlie Kirk's family. I completely agree with that.

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