Ask Dr. Drew - China’s Murder-for-Profit System: Crooked Docs Run 25-Year Organ Harvesting Network Serving Elites w/ Jan Jekielek & Luke Rudkowski – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 589

Episode Date: February 22, 2026

A decades-long crime against humanity is operating in plain sight – run by crooked doctors, surgeons, and hospitals in China. A new investigation by Epoch Times senior editor Jan Jekielek alleges the Chinese government runs a murder-for-profit system that executes prisoners on demand, harvesting their organs for transplant – and says it’s been happening for over 25 years. In the book Killed To Order, author Jan Jekielek says the Chinese Communist Party created an industrial-scale organ harvesting network targeting Falun Gong, Uyghurs and other perceived enemies of the state, and calls it one of the gravest human rights crises of the century that most people don’t even know about. Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of American Thought Leaders. He is the author of “Killed to Order: China’s Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America’s Biggest Adversary” available at https://amzn.to/3OmMVCY on March 17. His work spans media, human rights, and documentary filmmaking. Follow at https://x.com/JanJekielek Luke Rudkowski is the founder of We Are Change, a nonpartisan independent media organization focused on reporting on worldwide events. He is a journalist and entrepreneur who produces daily news commentary and promotes personal responsibility, health, and self-defense training. Follow at https://x.com/LukeWeAreChange and https://LukeUnfiltered.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, great news is we're already kicked off TikTok, just with the topic we're presenting. Luke Rudkowski is here. He's the founder of We Are Change, nonpartisan, independent media organization, focused on worldwide events, journalist, entrepreneur, daily news commentary, and personal about promotes, of course, personal responsibility, health, and self-defense training. You can find him. He runs Luke Unfiltered.com. Also on X. Luke, We AreChange. And then Jan Yichelik. He'll be here in a few minutes. He's the senior editor with The Epic Times. Host of American Thought Leaders, author of Hill to Order. We're going to talk about China and Oregon Harvesting. We'll talk about that a little bit with Luke as well.

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Yeah, I think we learned a little bit about how the algorithm works over at TikTok. Say something concerning about the Chinese Communist Party and the government behavior. You get kicked off immediately. So I don't know who's running TikTok, but I'm just saying we did a little test. And guess what? Already?

Already. Already off. That took two seconds. Took two seconds. On X, Luke, We AreChange. Instagram at Luke We are Change. We are Change on Rumble. We are change on YouTube.

We are Change.com. You can find Luke's materials there. Luke can talk on a variety of topics. Personal responsibility is the top of his list. All of my guests are Polish today in celebration of our. return from Poland. So Luke, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Drew, really appreciate it. Our time on TikTok was also very short. I remember a couple months ago, we started to upload videos there. And I did four

original videos. They got four views. And then the whole channel just got taken down immediately. And I was like, this is just kind of strange here. It's under new ownership. But yeah, the censorship is pretty thick still in today's day and I think it's going to come back even worse here. But thank you so much for having me on. There's so many things to talk about. There's so many different things to get into. I've been spending my time just going off, deep diving into these files.

And man, are we living in an ever so crazy wild world where we're finally getting a picture of the reality of it? And it's not good. What files are you talking about, Luke? I'm confused. There was something been happening with some files out there? I'm so overwhelmed by the Epstein files. I can't even, I don't know where to start.

So I guess the first thing I would be interested in is how do we, maybe we can't determine what is, you know, sort of conjecture, what is incidental, what is really evidence of bad behavior. How do we sort all that out? Well, what the federal government did here is they just threw a bunch of documents out there without really explaining it. Even the recent type of name document that they released is kind of all over the place. There's people like Thomas Massey in there, not the Rothschilds that are mentioned a lot

in the emails and they're not in the official list of names in the glossary. So this has been a kind of cover up of obfuscation that's happening here. They kind of throw everything. We have some anonymous reports that are, of course, not taken seriously. it should be up to the government to help us make sense of what we're seeing here, but we're getting a bunch of crazy accusations. We're getting a lot of weird emails. People are left connecting the dots.

And a lot of people usually like to think of their own theories and speculate here. But I don't even want to do that. It's clear that the government has a lot of explaining to do. And I think that's where a lot of the public pressure should be. There's a lot of smoke. We don't know where the fire is exactly. And there's still even files that are missing. from specific data sets right before 9-11, during 9-11, and after 9-11,

highlighting a possibility that Epstein could have been involved in 9-11. And of course, who knows? He was involved in Iran-Contra. I think that's where he met Bill Clinton when he was the governor of Armenia, Arkansas, when they were doing all the drug and gun trafficking that they were doing with the CIA. And then we have Epstein talking about how he was working with the Rockefellers, and then Bill Clinton going over to that Bilderberg meeting right before he became president of the United States. And a lot of people believe the Bilderberg group is essentially the kind of secret society that sets up a lot of these people to be prime ministers, to be presidents, to be representatives of this kind of global shadow government that we're getting a little bit of a sneak peek at.

But we're still having to sift through a bunch of weird stuff. We don't know how to make sense of it. All we know is that this is weird and something's off here. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird and the behavior of elites is disgusting and the fact that there are people that believe that they know how we should be governed above the elected officials is disgusting. Telling other people how to live their lives is disgusting. Forget their disgusting behavior, which they have tons of evidence of exploitation of women and young women are just beyond. But everything about this is so disgusting. However, did you see today one of the California Legion Ted Luceon, Ted Lue, I think his name is, one of our congressmen who stood up and said,

oh, there's stuff missing. What's missing is Trump raping children. And I thought to myself, oh, lawsuit incoming. Trump should sue the crap out of it if that's not true. But that's how far people's speculation is going with what's left. Exactly. Well, that's also because there's anyone that could make an anonymous tip to the FBI, and they're including every anonymous tip that they got.

I'm like, why are you doing this? Because this muddies the water. You know, we had Dan Bongino and Cash Patel coming out and kind of describing a situation where they're saying that we want to protect people. So not everyone is implicated when they're innocent. You're doing that by releasing all of these anonymous, unverified reports. Some of them were investigated. Some of them weren't. We don't know which ones were. We don't know which ones weren't. And we're kind of left here kind of scratching our heads here. And they're like, yeah, we did a great job. We did so awesome. And I'm like, no, you did not. We clearly know that there's a lot of weird stuff. It's clear that there's also insider trading, a lot of big financial moves here. But Epstein was a brilliant cover-up artist. I mean, we're talking about an individual who in the emails that he was talking to people saying, this is not a secure form of communications.

We know he used video games to communicate with people secretly. That was at a time one way to communicate without government surveillance. Now, of course, it's surveilled. He used encrypted messaging. He used self-deleting messages. The real files are within the CIA. The real files are with the financial transactions. We haven't gotten those.

And Epstein had over a billion dollars moving around all the time. Where did he get that billions of dollars? The federal government still has all those financial transactions. Why aren't we seeing where the money is going, where it's coming from? Who's it going to? And I think this is really a huge cover-up effort that really puts Trump and his administration in a very difficult place because they clearly violated the law here. And they're giving the Democrats not only a layup with PR victories, but as soon as the Democrats come into political power, there's going to be justification and use to arrest Donald Trump and his DOJ, which puts them in an extremely difficult situation. And I'm kind of scratching my head here. Why are they doing this? This makes no sense at all.

As it's pretty clear, there needs to be more investigations. There needs to be some legitimate actions. Ten countries are investigating Epstein and individuals connected to Epstein. 10. The United States is saying, we're done. We released all the documents. I think the American people want to move forward. The American people do not want to move forward. They understand our systems are hijacked. They want accountability. They want justice. I want justice. I want justice. I want to make sure that the predators that are still out there probably still hurting a bunch of children are held accountable for it. And they're not. And that's the real kind of egregious part of all this personally.

Yeah, the dark, the world of the banking is sort of Mel Cade gave me a long disposition on that yesterday. And this has been going on for a long time. And I think that's what people are fearful. I don't know what their fear is of exposing what that actually is. but there's some real serious interest there that they don't want exposed. Let me switch gears a little bit here. We open with TikTok kicking us off with anything negative about China. Did you see Macron out there touting his notion that free speech is bullshit?

And I thought, oh, yeah, we see you now, dude. Emmanuel, we got you. We see who you are, you asshole. I've always thought they're talking him. You know, when you go listen to French radio and television, the moderate center is calling him a monarch. He considers himself the new monarch. Then you have Melancho on the other side,

who's a Trotsky-esque communist, who announced that he was in control of the government after the midterm election, the last set of elections, which showed no clear majority. I mean, they're just a mess. But the fact that free speech is bullshit, they've got to be very careful about that.

And by the way, I heard Jordan Bardella talking about it this morning. he do that. They need to get him in the prime minister, at least the prime minister office. Yeah, well, Macron also is a former Rochschild banker. If you look at the Epstein email list, you saw Epstein tell Peter Thiel, he's a representative of the Rothschilds.

The Rothschilds also paid Epstein $25 million negotiating a deal with Catherine Rumler, Obama's chief legal staff, who previously worked and was the top, lawyer at Goldman Sachs who recently quit and resigned in disgrace here. So obviously a lot of these people hate free speech because the mask is coming off. They're being exposed here more than they ever were ever and they're being held accountable by the people who are saying something's up, something's fishy, we want justice here. And their response is, the best we could do is national

identification systems, a track, trace and database spy surveillance grid that will watch over every single thing you do, which we have to reject as fast as we can. And then heading over to health care and vaccines and epidemics, Gates is on the record saying, I just had dinner with the guy. Now we've got clear evidence of Epstein coaching him and helping him sort of negotiate other billionaires to get money from them the way he does. And there was a whole pandemic plan that was virtually identical to what was carried out. plus there's questions about whether they were able to make money off the vaccine therapies. What do you know about this?

So just really quick, yeah, and if you could just turn off the mic, sorry we were hearing you here. I was here hearing as well. Now, the medical stuff is super fascinating, right? And it's super interesting because we see a lot of talk about politics, a lot of talk about culture. But the scientific talk is really the really weird stuff because we see major professors at Harvard and MIT. literally consulting Epstein on how to make babies suck more. And I'm like, what? Those scientists need to explain themselves.

There was a member of MIT that was talking about how a lot of the top staff were trying to conceal and hide all the money that was going into MIT from Epstein. We have Reid Hoffman saying, oh, I was just fundraising for MIT. I absolutely did nothing wrong here. But we know that they were up to a lot of very weird, crazy scientific. experiments, vast majority of them happened at Zoros Ranch, as Epstein, even in the interview he did with Steve Bannon or the coaching that he did with Steve Bannon, whatever that was, that was leaked. There's still a lot more footage regarding that. He talked about how he bought Zoro Ranch so he could

have scientists from Las Alamos go there and do their scientific experiments. The fact that the FBI never even investigated that scene or looked into it is extremely troubling. Epstein had his own offices at Harvard around all of those young kids. Larry Summers had to self-resign from Harvard, as of course he was well interconnected to all of this. So was Bill Gates, who clearly hasn't told us the truth about his bigger, larger relationship with Epstein, as of course there's an Epstein email particularly describing how Bill Gates allegedly was trying to use secret drugs for the STD that he gave to his wife. His wife came out and says that he has some serious questions to answer, which he does. But we know, Epstein was really into a lot of weird DNA splicing stuff. He was a eugenicist.

He essentially hoped to see the human race with his DNA. He was trying to get as many young people into Zoro Ranch as possible to impregnate them at the same time. And he was literally working and pulling in $200 million on human DNA design projects. So this is what all these scientists were working on, gene-specific alterations, superhuman race of human beings based off the DNA of Epstein, who didn't have the best DNA. If you look at his medical records,

the guy had like a testosterone of 100 points, which is absolutely awful. He had chlamydia, he had gonorrhea, and he was absolutely not a man that was a superior person. person, especially with how some victims described his, you know what. Well, and to be fair. To be fair, yes, in addition to the small penis. But he, psychopathy is a genetic disorder.

And he seems like a psychopath. I have the one question for you about Bannon. You say the tape might be him coaching. So he's asking him, are you the devil? Is that him actually asking that question? Or is that him coaching him should someone ask him that question? That's a question that Bannett could answer. I just wanted to add one more point.

People with low testosterone also also mental health issues as well, not just physical health issues. So that also explains the kind of mentally crazy insane behavior here. Now, as far as Bannon, there's a lot of weird emails between Bannon and Epstein here that need clearly some clarification.

The New York Times spoke to Bannon, and Bannon says that he was working as an investigative journalist. But through that video that was leaked, I don't think Bannon wanted it leaked. I think there's more hours of these videos with him and Epstein talking. It's pretty clear that they were far more intimately involved, not just through the photos, than just a documentary filmmaker here. I think that was pretty obvious here.

And Steve Bannon really does need to explain what in the world was going on here. And it definitely did look more of like a coaching than it was just kind of an interview here, right? I mean, everyone has their own perspectives and point of view here. The only thing I'm really kind of essentially left with is, hey, we need a better explanation than you saying you're investigative journalists, release all the communications, release all the video footage, help us understand what was going on here, as clearly they were spending a lot of time together. And I think we should question what they were doing together pretty seriously. But that is the general note, the sort of thought bubble over my head is, what does, for instance, Bill Gates imagine that this is just going to go away, that he can duck for a while and that'll be the end of it? He needn't come forward. Or are they circled? I just, what are they thinking? It seems like that people are demanding transparency. And if the sort of participants don't give some explanation or something that tilts towards transparency, people won't find it. I mean, the detectives on X right now are alive and well. Oh, yeah.

And I don't know what any of these people are thinking because they're either getting advice from the worst PR people out there. Now, of course, we foresaw a lot of this. We foresaw this kind of trap that's being set up and laid out to cover all of this up. A lot of people just thought that we were going to forgive, but we can't. There's a media strategy that's being implemented when it comes to just doubling down and accusing the other person of other horrible things. That doesn't work when children are involved here.

Clearly, this is a major issue of serious concern. I'm looking at all the Iran news, and all the Iran news is mirrored with, oh, this is just them trying to make people forget about the Epstein stuff. The more you look into all of this Epstein stuff, the more you kind of really get a realization of just how awfully corrupt everything is, on top of all the redactions that are still there that shouldn't be there. I mean, the thought process here really, I mean, it's like someone is giving them the worst possible advice to tank and destroy them internally. That's the only way I could explain it because otherwise it just doesn't make any sense at all.

Yeah. You were saying something? Not making sense, I would say, is a good assessment of this whole thing. It's just, it's so wild. I've been saying lately, I feel like three events have sort of awakened me to how the world. operates. One was COVID. Second was all the fraud and abuse and doge and all the craziness there where our money actually goes. And then this, there's so much that has been going on that is so far from the intentions of our system, how it was established, and so far from the representation

for the people who are in this country. It's the opposite of that. It's, it's, It's this weird elite. But I want to take a little break. And before, when I come back, I wanted to ask about that young man that was killed in France. There was a young kid that was killed by a group of, I think it was. Yeah, in Marseille or was it Leon or something. And the question I have is in the New York Post today, they identify this kid as far right, far right, far right. And again, I listen to a lot of French radio, and they're saying,

why do you, that's from the left. They keep accusing people of being far right. There is no far right. There's no far right. Everybody's forming a center now in France. There is no, who, what are you talking about by far right? What did this kid do to believe he is far right? And what do you even mean?

So we'll take a little break and come back with that topic. And we'll get Jan in here as well. Luke Rukkowski is here with me. You can find him. on Luke Luke we are change everything Luke we are change is Luke Rudkowski. See you in a minute.

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Luke Rudekowski and before I bring Yang in here, Luke, I want to talk about that far right accusation by the New York Post and talk a little bit about your visit to Epstein Island. Yeah, I had a lot of crazy experience. I actually went to Leon to report on the kind of bifurcation of civil society there. It was wild what I saw because I saw street fights between right wingers and left wingers. I was covering one of the biggest anti-fah rallies in the world in Hamburg, Germany. And I also was attacked pretty severely. I remember getting pelted and literally like punched and hit with something in the back of the head.

I'm still, you know, dealing with injuries from it. I remember that they jumped me because I was pictured next to someone that was right wing. I wasn't even that right wing at the time. I went over to like the police and the police were like, yeah, kid, you're on your own. So the police there in Europe clearly have a big bias towards people who are even perceived on the right, even when they're attacked. It's very hard to get justice. The story in Leon is crazy. This kid got his skull fractured and died in the hospital after being jumped by a bunch of leftists. This is something that we should be taking very seriously. And that was the only ridiculous, crazy thing I did. I also decided to go to

Epstein Island. This was right after Epstein allegedly killed himself, allegedly. I, of course, don't believe the official version of events. But right after that event, there was a civilian flying a drone over Epstein's island. And it showed someone that looked exactly like Epstein alive after his alleged suicide. And after seeing that, I decided to go on a mission. Me and my friend decided to rent a boat, we rented the boat. I got my camera. I jumped on the island and I was looking to find Jeffrey Epstein. I was there for a half an hour.

You could see the video on YouTube.com forward slash we are change. And you could see me literally going through the dumpsters going through every building I could, every document I could find, all of that. And the crazy adventure is online right now. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And finally,

I open by talking about the apocryphal material online about Epstein, but some of the most startling and truly unbelievable is the stuff involving rituals and sacrifice and even the organ harrogative saying we're going to get into in a second. Again, Caleb is showing your video right now online. It's awesome. How in the world do we know that's just not more of these incidental reports? Well, we know that Epstein was very connected to a lot of the highest elements of the scientific community.

Working with Bill Gates, you're working with someone who has something called the Bill Chill, which has frightened a lot of top institutions and scientific bodies, as of course they receive a lot of money from Bill Gates, and they understand if they criticize what is investment, that they lose the funding automatically. We see an email between Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates showing that they were working for pandemic, preparedness all the way back in 2017. Bill Gates did a lot of very interesting investments right before the pandemic in 2019.

And he was there, of course, selling the solution from a problem, which a lot of people believe was bioengineered by the CIA. The CIA has a lot of connections to Epstein. They have a lot of connections to Echo Health Alliance and Peter Dazzack. And we know that, of course, they were doing. doing all of this gain of function research in Wuhan right at the laboratory where the official version of events is that someone ate a pangling and caused this megavirus that just coincidentally they were working on engineering and making very violent. So I think the scientific

community has shown us that they are very easily bought off and that they are very easily able to be criminal in nature during COVID. I think that was very clear throughout all of it. All the scientists, All the doctors who came out and did the right thing spoke out lost their licenses. They were censored. They were not able to have speech online. So is there an Epstein connection with the pandemic? Well, it looks like they were preparing for it right before. What else do we know?

Well, we only get about 2% of the data from the federal government. Again, 2% of the data was just released by the DOJ. They have 98% of other data files, other files and other redactions that we have. haven't yet seen that are probably far more salacious than what we're seeing here and what we're left with when it comes to picking up the pieces here regarding all of this. And then you look at Peter Nygaard and his kind of scientific laboratory he had in the Bahamas with all the people that he was impregnating. There's also a story about Epstein impregnating someone. And then the baby going missing. It wasn't reported that Epstein had any kids, but it has been reported that Epstein

did have babies with people. Where did those babies go? I don't know. It's hypothetical. We're left questioning these things very severely, as of course, Virginia Jewfrey even specifically talked about how Epstein came to her and had a contract saying, we're going to have a baby, but I keep the baby afterwards. And when we look at what Peter Nygaard was doing, using babies, specifically he would go to Africa, and he would find 16-year-olds, he would impregnate them, and then he would use the aborted fetuses or the aborted babies as a way to use them for bone marrow and stem cells for life extension type of tech that we know that a lot of the elites kind of use as well.

And then there's this email with Peggy Segal, one of Hollywood's most powerful people, emailing Epstein saying, hey, I'm going back to Africa. Can I bring you a little baby back for you? Which is weird. We don't know what that means. Yeah, but, but, and she said, was she joking? Do you want two? Do you want a boy? Do you want a girl?

It's so Madonna. That's literally an email from public. this, you know, Peggy Segal there, literally describing this. So what was going on there? Was it just a... You mentioned these encrypted communications and the vanishing communications and whatnot, but you say the CIA does have those? Well, this is my kind of understanding of how everything works.

There's huge data collection points from the intel agencies. They have all of these huge data centers. There are Epstein... CIA files, right? Epstein even did a Freedom of Information Act before the CIA, according to these emails. There obviously clearly has to be something. He was an international man of mystery connected to all these people and you're telling me the CIA wasn't keeping track of him or working with him. There are CIA files. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more communications within the CIA. And obviously a lot of these kind of encryption devices, a lot of communication programs and platforms,

They're usually honey pots, and they're usually used as a way by the intelligence agencies to gather communication on people who want to talk privately as well. So it wouldn't surprise me, and this is my own type of thinking and extrapolation here, if the CIA did have a lot of these private communications that were more kind of secure, didn't make the public light here. That's just my own kind of interpretation. Drew, just a quick point from current news is like, look at what just happened with Nancy Guthrie's nest and cameras. though cameras were not subscribed to the service and when you're not subscribed to the service then it's not going to be uploading your videos to the cloud and yet they were able to pull one of those cameras down

allegedly send it over to Google and Google was able to extract those photos of the guy that came up to her door the suspicious looking person so they have ways of getting data out of things that aren't even supposed to be connected to the cloud at all it might not be it might have been in the door in the camera in the door right

somehow they know they've got some Loaded and saved somewhere in the cash. All right. This is all breathtaking to me, but I want to bring Jan in, and in honor of Susan and my return from Poland, we bring in two Polish gentlemen with you today. I know how ironic. Jan Yehielik is here.

Let me give you the particular, Jan is senior editor with the Epic Times, host of American Thought Leaders, author of Killed to Order, China's Oregon Harvesting Industry, and the true nature of America's biggest adversely. available on Amazon. Of course, you can follow Jan, J-A-N-J-E-K-E-I-L-E-K on X, and also...

How do you pronounce that? Yeh-Helik. Yah-Helik. Y'-Helik. Y'-K-E-K-E-K-E-K-E-K-E-K-E-K-E-K-E. Like I said, the I was... Luke, do you think you can be a little Polish? We might just start talking Polish here, so...

Very jealous. We had a wonderful time there. I was, like, I explained, you guys before the show. The fact that Germany thought it was a good idea to come in there and try to destroy it is just shut. To me, it's the lunacy and it's an example of how, killing babies. Right. How mass formation goes crazy. And if it weren't for the present history, I would really have deep, less understanding of it. But lovely people, lovely country, big surprise, growing economically at something like, was it like a 10, 6 to 8% a year or something like that,

is their growth right now. So thank you for your Polish heritage. Well, and the amazing thing about it is that in 1989, when they broke the shackles of communism, it was actually poorer than most African nations. The system had driven it completely into the ground. And so it's really an economic miracle and an amazing success story, the best economy in Europe right now. Yeah, it's a trillion dollar economy. And just a few years ago, we came out of nothing from communism. It was just wild.

Well, hold on, gentlemen. You mean the warm embrace of social, of collectivism? The warm embrace was, in fact, a little chilly. How dare you? What are you talking about? You know, it's interesting that people that come out of these countries from the

Eastern part, Eastern Block, essentially, they are inoculated against the bullshit. But the rest of us, seem to be completely prone to infection? You know, in Warsaw, you probably notice the palace of culture, okay, which is a building. They kind of debated whether or not they would destroy it. So, you know, these buildings were built by the Soviets,

basically to remind everyone in all the capitals of the subjugated nations who was actually in charge. So they had a kind of a debate because it's this massive monstrosity, right? Right in the heart of Warsaw. I wanted to go into it. It looks fascinating. It has the museum of evolution in it. I really wanted to go ahead and have time to, but I will go back and do so.

I mean, it's amazing to be having been working on this organ harvesting industry, because it's really just something that, to me, is a kind of a natural consequence of a communist system. And, you know, I first learned about that from my parents because they had to flee in the 70s. That's why I end up being a Canadian and why I'm in the process of seeking to be American, in fact, because I do kind of believe in, you know, Reagan's maxim that this is the shining city on the hill, despite all of the horrible Epstein basically revelations and everything. You know, this is actually, you know, the one thing that the communists are particularly good at is propaganda. That's their, they're top shelf at this.

In fact, you know, Marx himself was actually not somebody that was known at, all, his economic theories had been totally discredited. And he basically only became famous after the Bolsheviks took power and just push mass propaganda into the system saying it's because of Marx's glorious, brilliant ideas that we managed to create this utopia, right? When in fact, it was just sort of the philosophical justification for the horror show that they were building. Yeah, communists really have no regard for human life.

And I think Poland is thriving because, one, we have an actual. identity. We don't have open, porous borders, except for, of course, Ukraine and all the Ukrainian people that Poland decided to take in, but there's even a big debate about that. But also, more importantly, we're investing in Poland. We're investing in educating the Polish people and not just replacing them, which I think is a big component to a lot of this. And we're embracing more capitalistic endeavors rather than top-down socialism, which is destructive, and it goes against human nature, in my opinion. And your families are intact, too. The family, family-

education, very simple, family and education. And it's funny, I always tell the story. I have faith. I told the story a million times about the, I remember the week that the day almost that the Ukrainian women and the children came over the border into Poland and the reporters putting, you know,

microphones in these women's face and they were like, oh yeah, this is terrible, or sons or husbands are back there. This was in the, I believe it was right. When I saw this, we either were having our lockdowns or we're about to have our lockdowns because it stuck with me so, vividly. California, we locked down our schools for two years, and the Ukrainian women coming into Poland

were lamenting what they were leaving behind, and then immediately launched into our kids, have been out of school for two weeks. Two weeks, no school. We've got to get them in school right now in a country where they don't even speak the language, but we've got to get them in school immediately. That's how bizarre things are here compared to there. It's another thing about Poland, right? You mentioned something about how, you know, shocking what the Germans did. My comment was, well, that was like the 15th time they did that. So there's a lot of history, both from the east and the west, of Poland being overrun

and then sort of surviving against all odds. Well, I'm glad it is so. Luke, before I let you go, do you have anything to add about the Oregon Harvesting Store? I'm going to get into the weeds with Jan on that topic. It's, it's, I, yeah, go ahead. Well, it's just the story that we've been hearing all the time of these elitists who don't give a damn about the local populations that are using us as cattle, right? They view this world as kind of a prison system.

You could break free of it by being healthy, taking care of yourself, making sure you have a good family, making sure you have a good community. you know, a lot of people are very black-pilled and dumer-pilled. And if I could just leave people with one thing, you know, people are always looking for what to invest in. Invest in yourself, invest in your health, invest in your community because those are the dividends that are going to pay throughout the rest of your life. Let's stop looking for all this like power and money. Let's start looking from within. This is where the real change kind of starts. And I hope to, you know, cultivate that as much as I can. And to make people understand, there's an elitist predator class out there.

They're praying on our ignorance. We could fight back by standing with each other, being there for each other. And that's kind of the ethos that I'm trying to spread. Thank you so much for having me on Yan. It's always a pleasure to hear from you. You're always an awesome representative of Poland. And we hope you become an American citizen too.

I also became a naturalized American citizen as well. I love this country, but we can do a little bit better with our government. In the meantime, make America, Florida. It's a beautiful state, too. I think that's a great example. Thank you guys so much. It's an honor. Okay, Luke, thanks for being here. So let me drill a little more on what you were talking about, or at least Luke was talking about, I believe, about morality and the state.

Back in the 70s, I remember there being a lot of education around the fact that in a totalitarian, particularly communist system, the all morality was what is good for the state and good for the party not what's good for humanity not what's based in any kind of abstract philosophy or religion just what is good for the party if you need to be eliminated if you need to be moved you know to the cities whatever whatever it's for the good of the state good of the party that's it period that's all morality am i getting that correct you're actually hitting the nail right on the head. And this is such an important lesson. It's something that we've somehow forgotten, I think. You know, from the medical perspective, actually, and this is sort of a central theme and

killed to order, there's kind of two poles around how you can approach medicine or public health even. One is what you would call Hippocratic medicine. And that is where there's doctor-patient relationship. And the doctor looks at the patient and tries to understand the totality of their issue, who they are, their genetics, their biology, the environment, everything. And at the same time, if they're going to do an intervention, they want to harm that person or the potential for harm or harm has to be minimized. That's where this do no harm maxim comes. So that's traditional Hippocratic medicine. It's this population of doctors working with their patients trying to do their best for each individual. The other side of that is something called utilitarian bioethics. Okay.

and utilitarian bioethics is the greatest good for the greatest number. And that is something where basically you can sacrifice a few people, if it is for the greatest good, right? Then it's okay to sacrifice the few for the good of the many. The problem with that, and this is one of the things I realized, to your point, right, when I was writing this book, was that in communist societies, the greatest good is in fact the survival and supremacy of the Communist Party, as you pointed out.

So what happens? Well, in every single communist society that's ever existed, mass atrocities. Why? Because for the greatest good, which is, of course, the survival of the party, any amount of people, anything can be sacrificed, and that's actually what you get. And so this, again, this kill-to-order system, which I can sort of explain to you how it works, because it's kind of an unbelievable thing when you first hear about it, is actually a feature of communism. If the technical

possibility exists, it's something that we would almost expect to develop and it's not a bug, as you would say. Right. Okay, we're going to talk about that after the break. But I also want to point out that the public health system in this country, because

any centralized authority with a utilitarian bent, has the potential to really start to concern itself with maintaining its own power. Because that that they're looking out for the most. And that's what happened during COVID.

If you question the authority, you question the decision making, you question the choices they made crushed. That's immediately where this entire system runs amok in this country. We have got to do something about our public health system. It is out of control. It's not even run by physicians in most states and counties. It's run by sociologists, which should clue you in that something is very, very, very wrong. not even health care providers.

Something is wrong. But we'll be back with Jan in a second. Put the book up. There it is. Put it up. Killed to order. It's about the, there it is.

We got it straight up. That's where we want you to go now. And your podcast too, Jan. Where should they find that? American Thought Leaders is the name of the podcast. You can, or it's also, you can think of it as a TV show. It also goes on NTD Television. It's on the epoch.

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Okay, Jan Yahelik, you can follow him on X. Listen to, wait, wait. AmeriM thought leader is also a M thought leader. And FindingManny.com? Maybe you've had to explain that one to me, Jan. What's that one all about? Oh, well, absolutely. So my wife's father was a Holocaust survivor.

He survived Buchenwald at a number of these German camps. And he was also just a fascinating guy. Philosopher, he wrote his memoir, which was actually something that helped in a way. My wife and I get together and find love. I invited her to use the memoir as a kind of a guidebook, and I was her guide, and that was how we actually basically got together. And years later, I can't give you the whole story here, But basically, through an amazing quirk of fate, we had the opportunity to make a film about him,

three generations of the family with him and the lead, go back to Poland and Germany. And we call it an optimistic Holocaust documentary, which in fact it is because he doesn't sort of judge individual people. Or he looks at everybody as an individual, not, you know, sort of the Germans are responsible for my. It was a fascinating, fascinating documentary to make won a bunch of awards. Highly recommend it. Finding manny.com. Finding manny. A fanciful romp to the Holocaust.

Anyway, okay. I understand it's not that. So let's get into the, first of all, let's frame it as why is it that the warm embrace of collectivism always goes totalitarian. and part of the totalitarian ethos always is the supremacy of the state and the state interest, i.e. party, and then how that gets into organ harvesting. Give us that, what should we call it, continuum. Right.

Like, why does it always go there? Why does it always end up there? This is your question. You know, it's a, I would say two-thirds of my book try to kind of wrestle with this. exact situation. One piece is that the Communist Party always tries to put itself in the place actually of God, of what traditionally, the place where, you know, we, for example, if you happen to be Christian, right, you know, you understand that there's going to be a final judgment and that you have to be accountable according to the rules that are found in the Bible. And it doesn't

matter what government is out there. You know that there's a higher power that's going to be your judge. So even if your government is forced to be a government is forced to be. you to do terrible things, you have something that will restrain you, which is those rules and ultimately, you know, your creator, right, as you think about it. In communism, communists and actually want to put that system, put the party in the position of God. And that has a series of terrible effects. One of them is you end up with this utilitarianism that I just described, right? You don't have this that every human being is made in the image of God. You have something where, you know, human beings ultimately can be reduced to just kind of chattel to something material that can be used. It's not quite

that simple because as human beings, we also, not all of us are psychopaths and ready to use other human beings that way. So there's also this incredible ability and, I guess, sort of effectiveness in communist societies to use propaganda to dehumanize, a particular group of people. In communist societies, there's always someone that's sort of the external enemy, right? And you'll look at 1984, you find exactly the same pattern. And there's someone that's the internal enemy. Now, for China, the specifics are this, that the external enemy is always the United States. And because it's always, it's the big power in the world, and it's also the one that fosters freedom and free thought, which communism is kind of deeply

opposed to. And then there's also an internal enemy, and that internal enemy changes. At different times, it was the landowners when it was convenient to seize people's land so that those people became the enemy. Then it was in 1989, it was the students, that big student democracy movement. That got crushed. And by the way, it's not the purpose of the enemy isn't just to crush the enemy. It's also to remind everybody else of the incredible coercive power that the Communist Party yields. So now that brings us, let's say, to closer to today and how this whole whole. organ harvesting industry began. In 1999, there was a very popular spiritual movement called

Fell and Gong. 70 to 100 million people by the end of the 90s were doing this very grassroots, bottom-up, truthfulness, compassion, tolerance, oriented, spiritual discipline, and meditation. Okay, also had profound health benefits, which is why people think it grew so quickly, organically, basically, you know, shared person to person. There were more party, more people that did this practice in 1999, then there were Communist Party members, and that was by official government estimate. And the dictator at the time, Zhang Zemin decided he's going to, to use his own words, eradicate it. That didn't necessarily mean kill everybody, okay? It meant that they were going to re-educate people out of this, right? Remember, now these people are

putting truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, these kinds of principles in a higher position than the party. And of course, Truthfulness, particular is a problem for communist parties, right? Because communist parties are sort of the I am the truth variety, right? Whatever the party deems to be true is what you have to either really believe or performatively kind of, you know, accept. So here we are.

Here's the setup, right? And what they do is they're able to push this massive coercive power through the population. They're able to push propagandize. So now suddenly these people, which were, you know, know, in many cases, model citizens on one side of the declaration that it's basically a public enemy, that these people are public enemies. Now on the other side, you're supposed to believe that they do terrible things. Why, they use the same talking points actually from the 30s that the Germans used against the Jews to demonize them, to dehumanize them. And this is an important piece of the

puzzle because you have to kind of get, in order to do atrocity, okay, you have to kind of trick people's minds, the people that aren't psychopathic, which is most people, have to kind of be tricked into seeing people as less than themselves and being able to treat these people as, as lesser than them somehow. Yon, aren't we seeing evidence of that same mechanism at work today? I asked earlier why the, you know, the New York Post was identifying some little poor kid is far right. You know, he's a Nazi. If you got to kill Hitler, you, at any, any good citizen, any virtuous member of society would, of course, want to have been in a position to have killed Hitler or to fight Nazis. The problem is they convince the public that people who

aren't Nazis are Nazis. And that's what the communists are absolute expert at, correct? A hundred percent. And this is also a consequence. And I talk about this a lot in my book, a consequence of our engagement with China for the last four decades. We thought our own propaganda, okay, was that we were going to change them, that they're going to liberalize. If we pump enough cash in there, they're going to become a South Korea or Taiwan.

The reality of what happened is they changed us and they made us more like us, more like them, pardon me, through very, very effective propaganda. And by the way, every one of these communist societies, whether it's Cuba or Soviet, Union or communist China, they're all the best thing they're always at is the propaganda, right? Because even now they're trying to convince everybody that America is horrible because of the realities revealed in the Epstein files. And by the way, there are horrible things in there,

okay? But they're saying, no, no, no, our system, look, we, you know, strength is what we need. We don't have any paedophiles. We kill all those people. They get the death penalty. When in fact, the super elites, they basically have unlimited on-demand access to organs. forever, right? And that's a whole different ballgame. And so get more into this, this organ harvesting factory they have, whatever, whatever it is. Well, so you need, as I said, right, you need to be able to dehumanize a large group of people. And the second part is you need to be able to incarcerate a massive group of people. And this is what they did with the Falun Gong in 1999. They put perhaps a million people, maybe two in the prisons, labor camps. They have a vast

system of incarceration over there. Now they started to blood type, tissue type, and organ scan these people and they created a database of this. Okay. And so now we have someone, let's say someone like Jan with maybe a slightly looser set of morals, okay? You see an ad and there we actually have archived ads of this nature from online. Okay. That said in two weeks, if you have 200 grand in your pocket and you pay us, we can get you a new heart if you're desperate, okay, scheduled. So in other words, you know when someone's going to be dead, they're saying, right, by basically through that ad, and the only way that that can be possible because in an ethical system, someone has to have a catastrophic accident and they have to

match you, right? So they have the size, the tissue type, blood type. That's why it takes so long. Here, the person is already matched to you because they're incarcerated. Their vitals are in a database and they can be shipped and killed to order on demand. That's what we're. why my book is called Killed to Order. Where is the evidence for all this and how did you collect it? So we have about 20 years worth of evidence and there's multiple different people I can kind of give you a picture of who these people were and what evidence they collected over time.

But I'll give you a few. How about I just give you a few examples to kind of give you a flavor of the type of evidence? Enough that we still want, yeah, enough that we still get people. people to read the book. Well, okay, so a key piece today, right? There is a 2022 American Journal of Transplantation. There's a paper titled Execution by Organ Procurement. In that paper, the authors looked at the published, peer-reviewed Chinese transplant literature.

They selected somewhere between 2000 and 3,000 papers that they assessed, and they found 70 examples of very clear, in the published peer-reviewed research violations of the dead donor rule. What that means is that in those 70 instances, and that's more than 70 people, because these were just specific studies, okay, those people were killed by their organs being removed from their bodies. They were murdered, okay? And they had actually published that in their scientific, public, publicly available journals. And the way that I read that, of course, knowing all the other evidence that's out there, right,

is that it's just so normalized there that they have forgotten. It's just the way it works. And they have forgotten that you can't write things like that into your scientific research methods because it's murder. Are they, would they say, if you were to sort of ask questions of some of the perpetrators, oh, these were people that were condemned to death because of some horrible crime. We just took their organs. Wouldn't they say something like that? So the few people that we've managed to talk to who have actually done this,

I can think of three surgeons that we've had contact with who have confessed to being involved in killed to order. Each one of those surgeons knew absolutely at the moment that they were committing that murder, that it was murder, but they were going along with it because they felt the coercive power they state. They knew that if they flinched, if they stopped, they would be next. I mean, that's basically the idea. So I can't tell you, I'm sure some of those surgeons are psychopaths themselves that are involved, which is basically every transplant surgeon in China, right? Because that's just how the system works.

There might be a few that managed to do some legitimate transplants, but that's just not how transplantation works in there. It's this horrible murder for organs industry, which they, you know, they grew up. This is the crazy. So another piece of evidence, right? In 1999, when the Falun Gong persecution began, there was like a trickle. There's a very small number of organ transplants happening. But as they incarcerate the million or two million Falun Gong, the whole industry grows geometrically.

They build thousands of transplant hospitals. Okay. And it gets up to the level by 2005 at Plateau's grows a little bit. And by the end of the 2000s, we're at 60 to 90,000 transplants per year. That's the best estimate we have and I can tell you how those estimates are gleaned. Obviously they're not the official Chinese statistics which you couldn't believe anyway in the first place, right?

And to frame that for you, 40,000 transplants last year was the record for the U.S. ever. Okay, so this is a massive amount of transplantation. Are these organs going on an international market or they're just staying within China? So they always at this point stay within China. You have to travel there.

The issue with organs is the moment they come out of a body, they degrade really fast. Even actually if someone dies and their circulation stops, their organs start to degrade quickly. And this is one of the problems, well, problems. This is one of the pieces of the horror show here because, you know, basically they try to keep that body as fresh and as alive for that organ extraction to happen because that reduces the rejection rate afterwards. Of course. No, I mean, but to be fair, I mean, we do that here. too when somebody is brain dead, we don't pull the plug until the transplant, you know, if somebody's willing to donate organs is ready to roll. That's just an unfortunate and

practical aspect of this phenomenon. Well, listen. I have a quick question. Yeah, go ahead. How many people do you think are incarcerated now? Because I read something was like 8,000, but it sounds like it's a lot more. Eight thousand. What do you mean? China. Way more than that. Well, so one of the horrible things... You just said a million in 1999. No, I know, but how is it now? So when no one did anything about it for about 14 or 15 years between 2000 and 2014, 2015, the regime thought to themselves, hey, listen, we can do this again.

So they demonized and dehumanized another group of people, the Uyghurs. They basically added another million of them into a concentration camp system or more. And they built that system. And as far as we know, this is now, they've been added. it as a second group, okay? And they're still incarcerated in those kinds of numbers. So, and then we don't even really know the numbers for Falun Gong at the moment. It's kind of a state secret, right? So it's, it's still happening on the same scale. And what we haven't seen is basically a reduction in the amount of transplantation that's happening, because you would see

hospitals going out of business. You would see reduced numbers of beds being used in hospitals. This is actually how we measure these things, right? So as far as we know, it's still going strong. And this is the part, I mentioned this a little bit earlier. You actually showed a clip a little bit earlier of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin and of walking in Tianmen Square. There it is. Thank you, right? This was a massive revelation for me because they get caught on hot mic. They're basically talking about continual organ transplantation to achieve immortality. And she says to Putin, 150 years is our target and I realize they're talking about their elite longevity project because that's the target, 150 years of that project. And I realized for the first time, having sat in this for 20 years,

it had never occurred to me that the organ transplantation is actually part of their elite longevity project. And there's even weird kind of, there's a eulogy that was sent to me once, right, a few years back, which was someone celebrating how a super elite had had multiple organs transplanted and how glorious that was, you know, super weird, twist. stuff, right? I didn't really know what to make of it then, but then when this hot mic hit, I understood.

Jan, I appreciate you enlightening us and bringing this to our attention. We should all read the book, and not only because it's a incredible story, and people need to be aware of this atrocity. It shows you how... It shows how the warm brace of collectivism

works and where it goes. I thought there were children, too, are young people. I can tell you about that if we've got a moment. It's a terrible thing. More terrible things. I was sent a report towards in the final month that I was writing the book. And the report was of basically children being farmed for organs.

And I actually couldn't. So when I started, I'm kind of strange with the organ harvesting now because I worked on it for 20 years. So I'm desensitized. And I can have my breakfast cereal and talk. about forced organ harvesting and stuff, right? But when I started reading this report, that same revulsion I felt back in 2006 and 2007 came back and it took me three days to read this report because I immediately kind of knew that the incentive structures are all set up for it to be true, even though of course we need to look at it deeply and find the evidence. But I was actually

on the panel, on a panel shortly afterwards with a man named Sir Jeffrey Neese. He was, he had actually prosecuted Slobodan Milosevic back in the day and then ran something called the China Tribunal, which was a people's tribunal to assess the body of evidence of forced organ harvesting in China and they found massive evidence, let's just say, okay? So we were actually posed this question. It was a panel on forced organ harvesting and I said, I have this revulsion. I believe this is going to turn out to be true. We're going through the evidence. And then he jumps in and says, I mean, you can look up the testimony. He basically says, look, they built the system to do this kind of stuff.

It's not surprising at all that they would use a different group of people. And I thought, of course, well, they started with the Uyghurs. I'm worried they're going to start with house Christians and Tibetans at scale. We think they may have been used in small numbers. And children, like, why not children if you have no moral boundary, right? And actually, you know, there's huge incentive because if you have a, you know, a so-called donor that's 50% a genetic match for you. That reduces the rejection rates a lot, right?

So it's just, I don't even, I still feel revulsion even talking about this, but I'm seeing reports about that right now. We have got to come to terms with leaving morality and health care choices to the individual. When it goes past the patient and the doctor, it goes, it goes. sideways. It gets started. John, it is a privilege to talk to you again. I believe I was on your show when we were in Poland. Is that in Pittsburgh in that Poland?

Is that still out there somewhere? Oh, absolutely. I mean, I was really honored to have you on, you know, and actually learn more about your story and how, you know, you were actually one of these brave doctors who during COVID decided to start telling it like it is at great personal cost to yourself. and your wife. And so I'm honored to have had you on the show. I'm honored to have been here with you to talk about this incredibly difficult issue.

By the way, it's killed to order.com. If you want to get the book, it comes out the 17th. Although I got my first copy. That's why I'm kind of showing it off because my first coffee is arrived just a few days ago. Great name. So, yes.

Wait, is out the 17th. That was yesterday. I mean March 17th? 17th of March. That's right. March. Okay. Congratulations.

Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. All right, my friend, great to see you again. And thank you for the, the enlightenment. Thank you. As unfortunate as the material is. I pitched this idea. I didn't know I was going to be. Two days, two days of my sleep being disrupted by our guests. This is the second day. So let's put up the upcoming guests on there. I think we have Joel Pollack coming in tomorrow. I'm sure he will not calm me down anymore. And J.P. Sears, great combo. Michael Shermer coming in. He's got a new book called Truth with Dr. Paul Alexander.

Scott Presler going to swing by. Jesse Kelly. Bob Forrest, my friend from Celebrity Rehab and used to work with fear. Sir G. With Peter Galooly from the wellness company. But Sarah G., you should really follow him on X. His threads on the Epstein file have been mind-boggling. So there we go.

Coming up, lots of great guests, as always. We appreciate you being here. Let me look quickly at your rants. I think the China thing got everyone pretty excited, as reasonably so. You said you pitched this exact topic, Susan? Yeah, I did. I sent it to, remember that morning?

I woke up really early, and I saw this email about this, and I sent it to all three of you, and nobody responded. But I think Emily read it. I have trouble believing it, although when you lay it out the way Jan does, it starts to make sense.

It's crazy. 20 years. I'm looking at your guys on the rest. as well. We welcome all you guys over on YouTube and I'm seeing people even over on Twitch. I don't know if anybody's listening to me when I send emails really early in morning. I think Emily wakes up early so she probably caught it. Thank you, Emily. All right. I'm seeing all you're saying, but I don't know that anything that's sort of a question there that can bring right up onto the show or any comments that we're going to start

taking callers, right? Yes, we're going to, I don't know when. We will take some calls at some point soon. We're going to get an AI system right. Caleb that helps us get the calls line up and screen. Yes, I'm working on a call system. We're working on it. Yeah, technology has significantly improved technology since the last time we lined up callers. And I want to bring it back. I'm going to bring back asking Dr. Drew live on the air with calls.

Coming up soon. So yeah, so start to gather your questions of any topic. You guys have to respond and call. Like we can't go set it all up and then go, we don't have any callers. Like, that's always embarrassing, so. Well, it's boring is what it is. It's not just embarrassing. It's boring.

So, but, and also, you know, if, ideally, we should be staying with topics that are, you know, sort of what we're talking about. But I'm willing to. I remember when we had callers during the pandemic and I was running the show too. But people had the best questions. And some of the conversations were so good. I was so, like, happy that people were willing to dig into our topics.

So we appreciate you being here. appreciate Caleb's effort, Susan's and Emily Barsh, getting these great bookings. And we will see you. It's Wednesday, tomorrow, with Joe Pollock and JPC. Tomorrow, 2 o'clock, Pacific Time. Atta. Ask Doctor Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer.

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