Ask Dr. Drew - CJ Hopkins: Author Compares Government To Nazi Germany; German Government Responds By Prosecuting Him For Hate Speech Thought Crimes – Ask Dr. Drew - Ep 425

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

The German government prosecuted bestselling writer CJ Hopkins for the horrific crime of criticizing the German government. “I’ve been writing and speaking out against fascism and authoritarianism for over 30 years,” says CJ Hopkins – a lifelong “man of the Left” according to Crisis Magazine. Imagine his surprise when German media accused him of being an extremist neo-Nazi and Amazon banned the cover art of his latest book. “What followed was a criminal investigation, book bans, and contentious legal battles—all aimed at silencing his dissent,” reports Sky News Australia. The government’s message, CJ says, is clear: “You will obey, or we will crush you.” Click here to read “The Rise of the New Normal Reich: Consent Factory Essays, Vol. III (2020-2021)” by CJ Hopkins. C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning playwright, novelist, and political satirist. His plays have toured internationally at venues including Riverside Studios (London), 59E59 Theaters (New York), Traverse Theatre (Edinburgh), and Belvoir St. Theatre (Sydney). His political satire appears in Consent Factory, OffGuardian, and ZeroHedge. Find more at https://cjhopkins.com and follow him at https://x.com/cjhopkins_z23 Remi Adeleke spent his childhood as Nigerian royalty, until the death of his father stripped his family of their wealth and sent Remi and his mother to a life of poverty in the Bronx. After years of making regrettable decisions, Remi joined the Navy in 2002 and later became a Navy SEAL. Remi now holds a BS in organizational leadership and a MS in strategic leadership from the University of Charleston West Virginia, is the author of bestselling books, and is the producer of multiple films. He resides in Southern California with his wife, Jessica, and their two sons, Cayden and Caleb. Follow Remi at https://instagram.com/remiadeleke and https://x.com/RemiAdeleke and watch him in Ryan Holiday’s Masterclass at Masterclass.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we are delighted to bring back today, of course, our friend Remy Adelike. He is a former Navy SEAL intelligence officer working on a new master class with our friend Ryan Holiday. We're going to hear about that at the top of the next hour. But right now, we're going to speak with CJ Hopkins. If you have not heard this story, buckle up. It is an epic tale of government excess, I would say, and censorship. He is a playwright, a novelist, a political satirist, and he became, he's, I believe, expatriated in Germany, where he has been now the focus of, I would say, jurisprudential abuse,

but he will tell us the story. You choose for yourself. You can follow him at cjhopkins.com. Also, cjhopkins underscore z23. You'll have to tell us what that's all about. It's on X.

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is an award-winning playwright, novelist, political satirist, and he made the sort of minor miscalculation, I would say, of putting an image on one of his book covers that got him in a lot of trouble.

He has appealed. The appeals have been, again, bizarre from the standpoint of the adjudication. He has appealed. The appeals have been, again, bizarre from the standpoint of the adjudication. He, let's see, I want to tell you where he's got, he's known, he's been played, his play has been played internationally at Riverside Studios London,

Traverse Theatre Edinburgh, Belvoir Saint Theatre, Sydney. Political satire appears in Consent Factory, Off Guardian, and Zero Hedge. cjhopkins.com is where you should follow him. CJ, welcome to the program. And before I say hello, explain to me the CJ Hopkins underscore Z23 on X. First, thanks so much for having me on. The Z23 refers to my novel. I think I joined Twitter shortly after I published my first novel, my only novel so far. And the novel is Zone 23.

C.J. Hopkins was already taken, so I needed to put something on the end of it. And that's the first thing that came to mind. Fair enough. So take us through this epic tale, if you don't mind it really is a homerian in its scope i've heard you tell it before and i i would love if you would share it with my audience we you and i have a little bit of a delay here are you in berlin right now yes yeah and so so if i jump on you it's that delay is the reason i may have some follow-up questions or something so if I jump on you, that delay is the reason. I may have some follow-up questions or something. So if you hear me sort of jumping in there, it's probably late

and it's probably something you said a few seconds earlier. But please do tell us how this all happened to you and bring us up into the present moment, if you don't mind. Yeah, I'm sure we'll manage the delay. Do you want the whole story? It's a long story. Well, let's do it by in chapters so so let's let's do chapter one chapter one so chapter one i'm i'm writing my satirical uh you know my political satire my essays that i've been publishing on the consent factory for uh years now

um and uh every couple of years I collect them, the best of them, what I think are the best, in a book and I put a book out. So I did this in 2022 and it was a collection of my essays from 2020 and 2021. So this was during the so-called COVID pandemic. The title of the book is The Rise of the New Normal Reich. And I basically, my brilliant cover artist, Anthony Freida, and I, we stole William Shire's cover. If people are familiar with William Shire's classic, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, we stole his cover, and I've got the book right here. You might recognize the cover. What we did is we stole his cover, and we just covered up the swastika with a COVID mask.

So I published the book. There it is. That's a much better image than I was able to produce. I published the book, there it is, that's a much better image than I was able to produce. We published, I published the book in May of 2022. And so fine, it was great. It was a Barnes and Noble bestseller when it was released, a bestseller on Amazon in numerous categories in numerous countries, everything's going great. Jump to August of 2022.

At this time in Germany, everybody was debating whether they should finally cancel the mask mandates. And there was just mass hysteria among the German public against canceling the mask mandates. And so I tweeted a couple of tweets. And to the effect that masks are just ideological conformity symbols, mandates. And so I tweeted a couple of tweets and, uh, you know, to the effect that masks are just ideological conformity symbols, and that's all they are. And, uh, another tweet, uh, sort of mocking, uh,

Carl Lauterbach, the minister of health here. And I included the cover art of the book on both of the tweets. Um, this came to the attention of an entity called Hessen Cyber Competence Center. This entity is a department within a department of the Interior Ministry of the Federal State of Hessen. It's also a partner in the German anti-censorship network. It's called CyberAZ.

This entity saw the tweets and within the space of 48 hours, my tweets were censored by Twitter. The book was banned in Germany by Amazon, and then later it was also banned in the Netherlands and Austria. I was reported to the Federal Criminal Police Office, which is like the German FBI. The Federal Criminal Police Office forwarded the case to the Berlin District Prosecutor. The Berlin Prosecutor opened a criminal investigation of me, The police office forwarded the case to the Berlin district prosecutor. The Berlin prosecutor opened a criminal investigation of me, which I didn't find out about until a year later. Anyway, it culminated in me being charged for basically disseminating pro-Nazi propaganda. That's chapter one. Hold on.

That's a good place to stop so so i have a a few questions and a little story of my own we were in uh changing planes in munich uh uh in the like 2021 ish was it yeah and um i and i walk i walk down the the hall of the airport, hadn't been there more than about 10 minutes, when I said to Susan, I said to my wife, I said, oh, there's another California. It's called Germany. Because the restrictions, the masking, everything was exactly like this godforsaken state, including they went one little step further in the German style. I don't know if you've been in the international sort of terminal there. There's like a coffee

shop in an island. They sort of have it surrounded by a kind of a hedge. And it's open air, it's crowded, and you have to wait in line to get in. And the woman comes to me in the line. She, of course, is due to flee masks. What's that? We had masks on. Yeah, no, no, we didn't have the right kind of mask. I had to go to the pharmacy. First thing she does is point at the pharmacy, you know, and screams at me in German that I have to go get the right kind of mask.

Okay, I go get the mask. I stand back in line. Now it's time for me to go to the table. And the table is four feet from the line where I'm going to sit down and take my mask off immediately upon sitting down, surrounded by people with their mask off. And I was like, I'm talking to this woman. Of course, there's a language problem. I'm like, it's three steps.

I'm going to walk three steps. Don't make me go back and get, actually, that was the point she made me get the mask. I said, don't make me go to the pharmacy, get the mask. I've got three steps to the table you want to take me to so I can eat my sausage. How dare you go? So there, and I thought, okay, well, I'm used to that in California. There we go. So you weren't

alone in Germany. Let's put it that way. At that point in your story, what did you imagine was happening? And I'll ask this also, tell us about this Cyber Competence Center. Well, the Cyber Competence Center, there's, again, it's this network that is comprised of the Federal Criminal Police Office and the German Domestic Secret Service and other authorities. And it also includes this Hessen Cyber Competence Center, which, as I said, is this strange little entity. And it's one of the entities that is empowered to monitor the internet looking for thought crime, hate speech, what have you. So it's part of this network that exists to do exactly this, is to find a speech that can be prosecuted and censored. And that's what it does. What did you put up there, Caleb? This is another recent post from his account about other journalists. This is UK, though, right? I'm just showing examples of a bunch of them that he's recently been posting about journalists and writers being persecuted.

Well, the UK is just right behind Germany. Well, I don't know if they're behind Germany anymore. Apparently, this crazy case, you know, the police showing up. I mean, Alison Pearson is a journalist. She writes for The Telegraph, you know, one of the mainstream papers in London. It's insane. And the police showed up at her door and wanted to question her about a crime that they couldn't even describe to her, couldn't even tell her what she'd been charged with. And this was, as far as I understand it, this was part of a widespread sweep in the UK

of the police going to many people's homes. She was just one of them, a prominent person, but going to many people's homes and harassing them about things that they put on social media. At the same time that was happening in the UK, it was also happening here in Germany. There was a case, Americans probably don't know about it, it happened just a couple of days ago. A 64 year old man basically made fun of Robert Habeck, the economics, the minister of the economy, and called him a dummy. They charged him with incitement of hatred and the police raided his home at five in

the morning and confiscated his computer and scared his kid with Down syndrome and just real goon squad type stuff. Should I get to chapter two of my story? Well, after this one question, which I suspect I'll be asking at the end of each chapter, why did you come home or do you at least think about coming home? I've been here for, I've been here for 20 years. I'm dug in. My wife has a business here. She's a yoga teacher. She's got a yoga studio that she runs. I'm, I'm basically a hermit. I've been a hermit my whole life, but she has lots of friends. And there's a whole social network.

And basically I've been here for 20 years and I'm dug in. That's reason number one. Number two is I don't like bullies and I don't like to run away and I kind of resent being chased out of Germany. If I do leave, and that's definitely a possibility, it'll be when this is all over. But it certainly won't be in response to them trying to drive me out. Good. Good for you. How does that work? Are you fully expatriated? How does that work 20 years in another country?

I'm an American. I'm still an American citizen. I just have an indefinite residence permit. I've got a permanent residence permit here. Got it. Let me ask a political question before we go on in this story, because it just kept occurring to me, and I'm sure it'll drive me crazy as this story gets worse and worse. But I've been preoccupied with the French and their politics lately,

and I heard some rather extraordinary conversations on French television and radio advocating that, suggesting that what's about to happen is Donald Trump's going to suggest to the Germans that the United States pull out of some of its defense coverage of the German Republic and that he'll do a compensation for that. He'll loosen up the car exports over to us and suggest that the French come in and provide the defense. What do you say to that?

This is the French's, this is not our idea. This is the French's view of things, by the way. It's French politicians saying this. I don't know what's real and what's not, but go ahead. Yeah. I don't want to rag on the French's view of things, by the way. It's French politicians saying this. I don't know what's real and what's not, but go ahead. Yeah. I don't want to rag on the French politicians so much,

but it sounds kind of silly to me. I mean, Germany... We'll see. It'd be weird. Germany is the Empire's headquarters in Europe. You know, NATO's headquarters in Europe, you know, and NATO's headquarters in Europe.

You know, it's not going to happen. Okay, fair enough. Okay, so now chapter two. Ah, so chapter two. So, yes, so I've been charged, you know, with this hate crime, with disseminating pro-Nazi propaganda. The way it works in Germany is you don't go to trial right away. The court decides that you're guilty and they issue what's called an order of punishment. In German it's a Strafbefehl. So I received my order of punishment

sentencing me to 60 days in jail or a fine of 3,600 euros. I got a lawyer. We challenged that. And long story short, went to my first trial in district court, criminal court, for two tweets, let's remember, in January. And of course, I was acquitted in the space of about 30 seconds after the proceedings. Americans, a lot of Americans might not understand. A lot of Americans might know that swastikas are banned in Germany. And there is a swastika ban. There's a ban on Nazi symbols. What a lot of people don't understand is that, of course, there are exceptions to this ban. You couldn't show a Quentin Tarantino

movie or teach a history course if there weren't exceptions, right? A couple of the exceptions that are written into this ban on Nazi symbols, one is art, satire, and what have you. And another one is if you are displaying swastikas in order to counter or to protest against anti-constitutional activity, right? Which, of course, is exactly what I was doing. I was comparing the totalitarian COVID measures, not just of the German government, but of most governments in the West, nearly all of them. I was comparing those totalitarian measures to the rise of Nazi Germany. And I did that in many of my essays in the book. So that exception exists.

I went to trial in January. The judge didn't like me at all. She acquitted me in about 30 seconds after the proceedings were done. And then she proceeded to belittle me and call me names and what have you. And then she strapped on her COVID mask and stalked out of the courtroom. But the point was she followed the law. She acquitted me. Here comes the part that will really blow Americans' minds.

In Germany, the prosecution is allowed to appeal an acquittal verdict. And they did. The prosecution appealed my acquittal, and that meant Chapter 3. Now I was going to... So hold on, before Chapter 3, as you were telling Chapter 2, what happened with this? Is there a swastika on the first book cover, Caleb? I can't see it. You're reaching for it. There it is. It's just barely there. I can't see it here.

Is it on the mask? Yeah, it's right on the mask. I'd have to zoom in. Let's see if I can get a zoom on here. You didn't have to blur it out or something. Let's be precise because it drives me crazy it's not on the mask it's the william shire book cover and we covered the swastika with a mask yeah i see it i see it yes it's like it's like partly covered yeah yeah

yeah i see it it's a whole okay got it the whole point of the artwork is for people to look at it and say, whoa, what's that underneath that COVID mask? You know, what's behind the curtain there? There you go. Yeah, one of the covers. That's the original. That one's even more blatant there. You know, the one they were, yeah. That's the original book.

That's the William Schreier book. But it's so funny. Chapter two, and I don't mean, it is funny. Haha, I apologize. It's a little bit, I don't want to say it's your expense, but it's that your behavior here reminds me precisely of Galileo's before the Pope. I don't know if you're familiar with what he actually did

that got himself in trouble. But he kept monkeying. He kept monkeying with some of his writings and insisting on sort of pushing his agenda forward in subtle ways in spite of people. There were people that got behind him and got with him and the Pope got pissed and then his good friend became Pope. And then he wrote a book, which was a dialogue, as they often were, amongst three characters. And Simplicio, the dummy, he put all the Pope's

arguments in his mouth. And that was the final blow that sent him for the third time i believe to the spanish inquisition who prior to that had been very uh clement with him they'd been very like listen this would be a lot for us if this is true you know we'd have to change all the biblical interpretations and we're not really ready to do that yet so give us a minute was sort of what they were saying. They were very thoughtful. When you really read what happened, they were just like, just kind of,

Mr. Galileo, Dr. Galileo, please, just please give us a chance because this is a lot for us. You know, this whole heliocentrism thing, maybe it's true, we don't know, but our biblical interpretation is very much dependent on the other. So just kind of keep it down a little bit.

And off he went. So you remind me of the great Galileo. So that's a compliment. It's kind of funny, but have you always been this way? You said you don't like bullies. Has this been your approach your whole life? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, so chapter three. Pretty much. I have a problem with authority. It's pretty clear, especially arbitrary authority. Why shouldn't we all? We all should have that. It's like, it's insanity that we've had, in this country, you've been gone long enough, you haven't seen the press sign up to be a part of the authorities. It's been weird. It's been positively mind-boggling. But anyway, Mr. Galileo, continue with chapter three. So chapter three, the prosecution appeals my acquittal. And so I'm dragged into Superior Court, the highest court in Berlin. Before the trial, the first trial date that we had, they canceled that with less than

24 hour notice and rescheduled it. They also they imposed these bizarre draconian security measures on the trial, like full anti-terror style security measures on the trial, like full anti-terror style security measures. Everyone had to go through metal detectors and get patted down. And everyone, including the press, had to surrender all of their personal possessions, put them in the bins. The press were not allowed to bring computers in or writing instruments. Special pens were provided to the press and sheets of paper so they could scribble notes on their knees during the trial. It was all really kind of insane.

Anyway, we go in for this appeal trial and the prosecutor gets up and says about four sentences in a monotone. And my attorney gets up and makes brilliant arguments for about 40 minutes. I got up and made a rather passionate statement. And we take a little break, come back a few minutes later, and the judges overturn my acquittal and read out this long explanation that they had obviously prepared well in advance of the trial. It's what I expected. When I found out that the Superior Court had accepted the prosecution's request for a new trial, I pretty much figured, okay, they're going to overturn my acquittal. So I was found guilty by this appeals court. And I was normally, this is where it gets complicated. Normally, if an appeals court like this finds you guilty, you go back to the district court and you have the rest of your trial. The appeals court found me guilty in a special way that prevents me from going back to district court and my attorney making the rest of his arguments.

So that was a nice touch. The only thing that remained to us after that was to take the case to what is basically the German Supreme Court. It's the Bundesverfassungsgericht, the constitutional court of Germany. And so that's where we are. It was just a couple of days ago, my lawyer filed our appeal to the German Supreme Court. So I think at the end of that chapter is a good time to take a little break. And because I want to hear your, if you're allowed to, I don't know if you feel in any way exposed by speculating, but your thoughts on what this is, what is happening here. If this were happening here, I would have ideas about what was happening and the excesses and how these cultural extraordinary shifts are occurring and who's doing it and the narcissistic turn that's

happened in this country. It seems to have kind of, our bubble has sort of burst a little bit in some interesting way. I don't know how it's going to play out, but it's sort of different here all of a sudden. And I'm wondering if you could give us your, because we're not in Germany. This all sounds like really, like you're writing a script from 1944 or something. It's hard for us to like get our head around it. But I had somebody scream at me here, where are your papers? So I thought I was in a, you know, 1940s war drama for a minute in California.

So let's take a little break. Do you want people to go to CJ Hopkins underscore Z two three, or just to, I think you have CJ Hopkins is the other one, right? The best way to find me, the best way to find me is to, first of all, just stick my name in a search engine and everything will come up. But my sub stack is actually where most of the action is these days. That's where I'm publishing my essays. I also publish them on the Consent Factory blog where I started. But my sub stack, C.J. Hopkins sub stack is where it is.

And I'm guessing these are are these in English and German? No, just in English. Okay. And do they serve any threat to your case? What my ass says. Yeah, where they call through them

and go, look what he said here too. We can see his intent to be a, what would they call you? What do they call a subversive, I guess. I'm a hate criminal, Doc. At this point, I am officially a hate criminal. I am a disseminator of pro-Nazi propaganda, according to the Germans. I'm sure that my essays, that my columns played a significant role in motivating the German authorities to come after me, but they can't really be used legally. There is still actually a constitution in Germany that nominally protects freedom of speech. So, no, they can't come after me for those.

That's why they have instrumentalized this law regarding the swastika ban in order to come after me. It was the only way that they could. Yeah, this is a very familiar kind of historical detail, but we'll talk about it. I worry. I want you to prevail. I'm concerned, but it makes you angry to hear the story. When I first heard you tell it, I almost jumped out of my chair. It's mind-boggling, but I'm glad you're fighting the good fight. We're going to take a little break, and we're going to speculate about what's happening here, why it's happened, where else it could happen, what we do about it after this. The Wellness Company knows that taking charge of your family's health care is a top priority,

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fantastic. Somebody posted on our Rumble chat thread an article in defense of masks, which was a grotesquely overstated meta-analysis. But this is so fascinating. They make a case for why masks are so important. Here's their fifth of their defenses. Masks are important sociocultural symbols. Non-adherence to masking is linked to political and ideological beliefs and to widely circulated myths or disinformation. In other words, you need to wear a mask because if you don't, we need to be worried about you. That is the most disgusting piece of shit article I've ever seen. This article

is so bad. This journal is the Journal ABSA International. It's the Association of Biosafety and Biosecurity. Whatever comes from this journal should be absolutely disregarded. That is wildly, wildly bizarre article. But anyway, you're going to put that on there. It's, you know, just crazy. Susan, hang on a second, CJ. Yes, you can. Just one quick second. Can you grab the book on masking? Go ahead, CJ.

The book on masking. It's hilarious. You know, it's hilarious for me to hilarious for me to listen to you read that out because this is exactly what I'm being prosecuted for. The second one of my tweets was actually a quote from Karl Lauterbach, the German health minister who is just a serial liar and an incredible fascist.

Lauterbach was quoted by one of the mainstream newspapers, and they tweeted this picture of Lauterbach in his article, and the quote was Lauterbach in German saying, the masks always send out a signal. And my second tweet that I'm being prosecuted for is I simply retweeted that and put the quote on it and put my artwork in there. And that was my whole point. That is the purpose of the masks. The masks, the mask mandates were theater. They were always theater. The point of them was to generate this atmosphere of panic and make us all feel like we were living inside an infectious disease ward.

It might surprise people if I say this, because I had numerous arguments about this. You know, people say, but masks do work. They use them in hospitals and they stop droplets. And if you're sick, you can put a mask on. And I said, great, I have no problem with that. And if you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. I have absolutely no, wear whatever you want on your face. I have no problem with this whatsoever. If you're sick and you're, you know, sneezing and coughing up droplets and you want to put a mask on to stop, absolutely, to do whatever you feel is necessary.

Me, I stay home when I'm sick, you know. But my point is mandating mask wearing, mandating medical mask wearing. And in Germany, it was mandated outdoors. When I went to this outdoor street market that is right next to my house, there were barricades set up with officials making sure that everyone was walking around with these masks. And anyway, that person, whoever posted that,

they're right on the money. That was the point of the mask mandates. Well, let me just say specifically to address the surgical masks in hospitals. They are there to prevent, first to prevent the bacteria, not the viruses. They were never meant for viruses ever. The bacteria from the surgeon's mouth and nose from dropping into the surgical field. Same reason he or she wears a hairnet, so the infected hair doesn't drop into the field. Not because there's a virus aerosolized 60 feet away. There's a case we made that you could even increase the power of the jet of aerosol across a room with a surgical mask, but okay.

But if you have anything, even so much as a little air of humidity on your glasses, that is a zero efficacy mask for aerosol virus. get COVID early on, you could spit in somebody's mouth and not get COVID because it's transmitted through the aerosols binding on the ACE inhibitors on the nasal mucosa. That's it. That's how it's transmitted. And aerosols are not droplets. They're not even the kind of aerosols that transmit TB. This is a true aerosol respiratory virus. And so if you want to wear a properly fitting N95, go at it. Then you're making sense. And you want to do it and you wear it 1,000% of the time, not drop it down for bites or for popcorn or for tortilla chips, whatever it is, then you have a zero efficacy on that mask. So whatever, everybody, I'm with you. You want to wear it? Go wear it. But to mandate it

is an insanity. So what do you think is going on? As you sit and theorize about what's happening to you, how do you understand it? All right. You asked, so I'll tell you. Let me say right off the bat, I'm in trouble in Germany, but my essays, the essays in the, if people remember the whole, you know, I call it the new normal, right? And I didn't make up this term, the new normal. The authorities did. I, back in March and April of 2020, when the hysteria started, I actually created, I think it's a 257 tweet thread that is just comprised of headlines and news stories from the mainstream media all around the world.

And this is when they rolled out this concept of the new normal. And they were absolutely clear. It was, you know, Life is going to change forever. Life as you knew it is over. There's going to be a new normal. There's a deadly apocalyptic virus. The WHO was publicizing a 3.4% death rate. They were publishing all of the pictures of people dropping dead in the streets of China. I compiled all this because it was abundantly clear to me that a new regime was being rolled out. We Americans, I think we'll resonate with this. We lived in the war on terror from basically 2001 to 2016. And then they switched the war on terror off and they kind of turned the war on populism on with Brexit and Trump and the whole reaction to Donald Trump.

I covered this in my stories, and what I saw was this war on populism, this reaction to Donald Trump from the powers that be, kind of culminated in the so-called COVID pandemic, what I call the rollout of the new normal. And the message that was coming from the authorities, from the powers that be, in the United States, in Germany, in Great Britain, in Australia, in Canada, in countries throughout the West, the message was clear. The message was the old rules are off. Your democratic rights are gone. We're in a state of emergency and you will shut

up and follow orders or we will arrest you. We will beat you. We will segregate you from society. We will censor you. We will punish you. It was clear to me that the new rules were being rolled out for us. I called 2020 to 2021, 2022, really, in Germany, it was the beginning of 2023. I called this period the shock and awe phase of the rollout of this new normal, what I'm calling it, I believe that what's happening and that what we are all experiencing in different ways in different countries, but all throughout the West, I believe what we are experiencing is the evolution of the global system that we all live in. And it's global capitalism, folks. I know that my conservative readers don't like it when I say capitalism,

but that's what it is. We live in one big global capitalist world. And I believe what we're experiencing is the evolution of this system, which is only about 30 years old or so, evolving towards a more totalitarian form. And I rush in to say, when I say that, I'm not talking about the totalitarianism of the 20th century. I'm not talking about Nazism. I'm not talking about Stalinism. I'm talking about a new global capitalist form of totalitarianism that none of us really understand yet. But if you look at what is happening in countries throughout the West, we talked about Great Britain a little bit. You can check with people in Canada, check with people in Australia. They're fighting these new anti-disinformation laws, anti-hate speech laws in Ireland. They just had a little win. This is happening in countries all throughout the West. It's not just a German story, folks.

But now I'm guessing you're a classical liberal and very much so. Yes. I was. I call myself an old lefty. Yeah, yeah. As so many of the people that sound right-leaning are now. They used to be the fairly far left. Somehow by raising your hand and going, hey, I'd like to have free speech and I'd like to question these assholes in power, that makes you an alt-right immediately.

So that's amazing. But I feel like one of the favors that COVID did for us is laid bare exactly what you're talking about. And it feels like from this country's perspective, what has just happened to us is people woke up to it and said, hang on a second, we don't want this. Do you have any, can you see that from where you are? And by the way, I heard this, like I told you, I'm listening to French television and radio in the mornings and they said the same thing. They said, this is coming to us, we're kind of done also. Is anything, does that look real to you from where you sit? Or do you feel like this is coming to us, we're kind of done also. Does that look real to you from where you sit? Or do you feel like this is just a brief correction in an otherwise unrelenting move we're

making? Well, okay, now it gets really complicated. I'm actually working on a new essay that I'll probably publish tomorrow, trying to articulate some of my thoughts about that. And they're easy to misunderstand. What I've been covering, I started writing these essays, my political satire and my more serious commentary, I started writing them in 2016, because this is when this primarily right-leaning populist backlash began with Brexit and then with Donald Trump and the right populist movements that have risen up in Europe. And my understanding of those movements, and the people on the right will hate this when I say it but my understanding of of that movement that right populist movement is it is a reaction to the evolution of this global capitalist system that I'm talking about agree yes this this this system the the and I have no problem with with capitalism per se i have no problem

with people working for a living and hiring other people and owning private property and running businesses i'm not you know i'm not trying to start a communist revolution folks when i talk about the global capitalist system i'm talking about the system that really began with the end of the Cold War. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, really the last ideological adversary to global capitalism disappeared. And we entered this global capitalist world. So great, capitalism, you know, cool. You can run a business, you can pay people, you can make money, make a profit. But when you let it run your entire society, what it does is it dissolves the values of your society and it transforms your society into a pure marketplace. You know, I have no problem with there being marketplaces.

I like to buy things in marketplaces but i i i don't i don't think that our our entire society should be a pure marketplace and i think that can i stop you can i stop you before you say that let me just finish let me just finish this one this one thought though please do. Please do. I think a lot of the culture war stuff that the right populist movement is rebelling against is misunderstood by that movement. A lot of this culture war stuff, it's not really so much about wokeness or cultural Marxism or all of these terms. It is about global capitalism dissolving social values so that it can turn societies into marketplaces, right? That's, I think, the fundamental conflict of our times. And so, just so I make sure I understand what you're saying. So rather than

the dissolution of values and gender and normative whatever's coming from the left, you're saying it's the capitalism that's driving that. Well, the left is, the left is completely aligned with it. And of course the left is aligned with it because the same machine, the same machine that is, for example, you just mentioned the gender thing, the same machine that is basically dissolving or attempting to dissolve the distinction between biological sex and basically say, well, you can be any gender you want. You can be any of, you know, 148 genders or what have you. It's all fine. They're all products on a shelf, you know, with different brands. The machine that is doing that is also the machine that dismantled, you know, racism and slavery in the United States. Yeah. slavery in the United States. That has, it is the machine that has dismantled old traditional values and prejudices

and has created more rights for women. It has the same machine. It's the machine, Doc, that saved us from despotism. People think I'm an enemy of capitalism it was capitalism that you know brought us out of the old world of despotism and aristocracies

the thing is when no one is driving that machine when you don't have a society that has a set of values that says okay we're going to use that machine to do this and that. When you give that machine free reign, it starts decoding and wiping out all of your values. And that, I think, is what we're experiencing. We're experiencing that from the machine, and we're experiencing this reactionary, and I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, but this reactionary backlash against it. People saying, wait, no, we want to hang on to our values. We don't want to live in a pure marketplace. Yeah. To some extent, I could see somebody using your argument to defend a return to religious values and religion and nationalism.

Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that is really, again, the picture that I've been trying to paint for people is those are the two forces that are on the playing field at the moment. There's this big global values decoding, disintegrating machine, and there is a pushback against it. And most of that pushback, the vast majority of that pushback is coming from folks who are nationalists or from folks who are deeply religious, folks who are trying to hang on to their values, whether it be national sovereignty or cultural integrity, or they're trying to hang on to their religious values. I'm saying all this without judgment, which I know is strange these days,

but I think it's important that we try to understand what's actually happening. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And even to put a finer point on it, because if we're going to decide to push back, you're going to have to understand what you're pushing back against, right? And I think about Adam Smith's version of free market. And to remind ourselves, he considered himself a moral philosopher. That's how he thought of himself. And he thought he had created a system that reinforced his moral philosophy. Versus corporatism. Is corporatism the enemy here?

Is that what's happening? Because it feels like the centralization of these market systems is where we go off the rail. And I'm appealing to your anti-authoritarian impulses as I say that. Go ahead. I think it's more complex than that because I don't see it as centralized. What I really see is when I talk about, sometimes I call it globocap, you know, for short, to be funny. When I talk about the global capitalist system that we live under, I'm not talking about a cabal of individuals, you know, having martinis on Bill Gates' yacht, you yacht, planning all sorts of nefarious conspiracies. I'm talking about a system.

And some people call that system corporatism. People have other names for it. I call it global capitalism because I think that's what it is. But what I'm talking about is a system. The point that I often make is you could point out all the bad guys that you want, Gates or Soros or Klaus Schwab or whoever. You could remove all of these guys tomorrow and they would be replaced with other guys

who would perform exactly the same function within the system. It is the system that is driving things. Gosh. You know, I don't know if this is your intention or if I bastardized what you're intending, the point you're intending to make, but I feel like I want to go back

and read my de Tocqueville and Adam Smith because maybe out of pure nostalgia, but I feel like there might be some solutions in there because my instinct is that the more local you can get, the less these guys can have sway. We're gonna have to, I'll let you give final word, then I gotta wrap this up. CJ, I am so pleased to have spoken to you

and we're with you. We got your back, but I don't know if it'll make any difference. But there are people championing behind you and applauding your efforts. But I'll give you final thoughts here based on that and what I said about the talk, Phil and Smith. Yeah, the big picture, I don't know how to get there from here, but it's pretty clear to me that what is needed are societies where people democratically decide what their values are and then run their societies according to their values. And yeah, I'm an old lefty. Those values, those social values, wherever they come from, right, and whatever they're

based on, but those social values have to be more important than the functioning and the advancement of the marketplace. The last word that I want to say, and it's a point that I want to stress, and I've said it here, is about my case. And it's going before the German Supreme Court now, it is not really important whether I personally win my case. What is important is that people begin to focus their attention on cases like mine, and there are many of them in Germany, and as we said, there are many of them in many other countries throughout the West. People need to wake up and pay attention to what's happening because it's not going to stop. This crackdown on dissent is going to continue until we stop it.

Well, I hope you win and then have a chance to come back here. I suspect you'll find your greatest source of relief would be the Great Strait of Florida or Texas or Tennessee. Because if you go to New York or California, it's not going to be much different. But that is part of the genius of our system. We have these different states with different ways of running their governments and so be it. So we'll send people to CJjhopkins underscore z23. And I hope to have an update from you someday soon of the great triumph you have in the Supreme Court. Let's hope so. Thank you so much for having me on. All right. You got it. Thank you for being here. All right. Let's get Remy in here. Remy, he, of course, is somebody I got to know in the Jordanian desert.

He's from Nigerian royalty until the death of his father, and they were stripped of everything, and he ended up living in the Bronx. He made some not-so-great decisions but got it together. Because of the extraordinary efforts of one recruiter, he became a decorated Navy SEAL and intelligence officer. He is now working against human trafficking. You can follow him on X on Remy Adeleke, R-E-M-I-A-D-E-L-E-K-E. And now you can see him on Ryan Holiday's Masterclass at Masterclass.com. Remy, welcome back.

Oh, we got no sound. You must be muted there. Your picture looks great. You look great. But there must be some- No, no, no, sorry. There you are. You're back.

Hey, Dr. Drew, thank you so much for having me on. It's always good to reconnect with you, brother. So tell us about the Masterclass. Yeah, so we shot this masterclass back in August and it's very interesting because it utilizes, the idea behind it is utilizing ancient philosophies from different philosophers, such as Socrates and some other fellows from back in the day, Stoicism and so on and so forth, and kind of trying to find different nuggets that we could take from those philosophies and apply to our everyday life today.

And interestingly, they found out about me because they came across my book, Transformed, and they found that naturally in my book, Transformed, there were these kind of like philosophies that were in the book that I was just doing. I was just carrying out. I was just living out in my everyday life. And some of these philosophies related to resilience, others related to love, others related to mental toughness. And so that kind of came to me. And so when we started shooting, it was like, hey, we don't just want you to help teach the class.

We want you to touch on your book as well and different stories. So, yeah. Right. Did you get to know Ryan? Yes, yes, yes, yes. We shot together and he was an amazing guy and very knowledgeable.

Yeah. Did you come upon his and my relationship and what the connection is there? Do you know this? No, I didn't even know that you had a relationship until now. So it's very interesting. So first, let me just say that the Enchiridion by, shoot, help me, Caleb. Who wrote the Enchiridion?

Is it one of the more, one of these stoic philosophers? He comes up, his stuff comes up a lot in the mental toughness uh sort of thinking uh in the military uh and i i bet ryan brought his name up help me caleb uh incredient is by uh his hit tds uh no that's not it i'm trying to find it it's a great philosopher the name just yeah he's's a Greek philosopher. The name just, yeah, he's a Greek philosopher. The name just translates as belonging or thing. That's what his name translates to. He was a slave. He was a slave and he had to endure a lot of horrible stuff.

And he talks about mental toughness and a lot of military people have endured a lot thinking about his sorts of philosophy. It's going to come to you. But anyway, so about- There are 20, what is it? Epictetus. Epictetus, yes, thank you.

Epictetus. That guy. About 25 years ago, I was giving a little symposium. It sort of was, I was sent in by like Church and White or something to a group of, a couple of us went in to talk to a group of college editors, newspaper editors. Okay.

And we gave our little thing. And at the end, this young 19-year-old came up to me, or maybe it was 20-year-old and said, what are you reading now? What do you read? What are you up to? What are you reading? And I go, well, what's your name?

Ryan Holiday? Okay. Ryan, I'm a complete nerd. I read a lot of crazy stuff. But right now, I'm reading Stoic philosophy. I'm reading the Enchiridion by Epictetus. And he goes, okay, I'm going to go read it. I go, look, it's not easy. It's not light reading. It's moral philosophy. He goes, no, no, I want to read it. And that led him into his whole career. Yeah, isn't that crazy?

And we reconnected like 15 years later. And we went out to dinner a number of times and stuff. And, you know, I just think the most of him. And so I kind of. Reminds you? It reminds me of the origin story for Batman when he finally meets Joker face-to-face. And I don't mean this as you being Joker in a bad way. I mean, and Joker says something like,

how did you become, oh yeah, and Batman's like, you made me, you made me. So you made Ryan Holiday, brother. I made Ryan Holiday. I brought stoic philosophy to the world by being a crazy nerd and whatever that was, probably in late 1990s or something. But anyway, so he has obviously brought that.

And it's funny, stoic philosophy has value. It starts coming in when societies are changing and they're kind of down on their back and need help. People start looking for meaning and this is exactly what they go to. So tell them more what they're going to learn, why they should go. Let's hear about your master plan.

Yeah. So, no, 100%. So, we're going to teach you through the class how to deal with certain issues that you may be dealing with in your life, such as anger, such as negative self-talk, and how to transpose your negative self-talk into positive self-talk. How to deal with disappointment, how to deal with rejection, how to manage arguments as it relates to love and relationships. I remember when we were filming and I was able to watch all of the episodes. So it's in there, but I was discussing, I won't give away too much, right? I don't want to spoil it, I shared a story about me and my wife and how my wife's a doctor. You met my wife,

Dr. Drew, my wife's a doctor. So she's a, she's a trained healer and I'm a trained killer. And so we come from these two completely different worlds. And because of these two different worlds that we come from, especially her being raised in a wealthy family, me being raised in the Bronx and poverty, we tend to get into some clashes. And how do you deal with someone you love when you come from a completely different background as them? And so we kind of dissect that in the masterclass as well. So it's a very intuitive class. It's a class that brings forth a lot of great information that people can apply in everyday life.

Like everybody's not going to be a stoic. Everybody's not going to be a former Navy SEAL, but everybody is a human being. Everybody breathing, walking, and talking is a human being. So because of that, you know, it's just. Yeah, and I would argue that, man, we need a big dose of that, not just in our interpersonal lives, but in dealing with everybody in all contexts.

I mean, all this stuff has broad application. So I saw that he tapped you, and I went, perfect, perfect. It's exactly, this is the right guy for this. And you know it, you know what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. And who else is in the master classes? Dr. Alexandra. She's a relationship expert.

She has taught, she teaches a class at Northwestern University. So she really dives deep into the... Uh-oh, we just froze Remy. Caleb, is that on our end or is that... No, that's his Zoom. Let's see. Oh, shoot. Dr. Jennifer, she's a philosopher.

I'm sorry. Did I get cut off? You froze for a second. We heard Dr. Alexander and Northwestern and then it stopped. And then stopped again then it stopped again. It stopped again. Yeah. It keeps stopping.

It keeps freezing on us. Is it? Everything's good on my end. There you go. You're good. You're back. Here we go. All right.

Sorry about that. So yeah, Dr. Alexandra, she's a relationship expert out of Northwestern University, and she's a professor there as well. And then Dr. Jennifer, and she's a philosophy teacher in, I believe, South Carolina. And so she really goes deep into the application, like how do you apply these ancient philosophies to your everyday life? So it's a very well-rounded team. And then obviously Ryan Holiday, he's the maestro. Indeed he is. He has dedicated his life to this.

It's so interesting what he has done. And he still lives on a ranch out in Texas and runs a bookstore. I hope that's still going okay. Yeah. All right. And what's going on, if you don Texas, you know, and runs a bookstore. I hope that's still going okay. Yeah. All right, well, and what's going on, if you don't mind me asking, on the trafficking front and all of those battles you're fighting?

Is there anything, any update we need to hear there? Two quick updates. I just joined the board of Traverse Project, which is an anti-human trafficking nonprofit that utilizes the World Wide Web and different cyber technologies in order to track down traffic victims, but also to find, locate, and disassemble human trafficking rings. So that's Traverse Project. It's a very, very amazing nonprofit. A lot of the guys at the top of the nonprofit are former special operations guys. So if anybody would like to kind of go check out the project,

check out the website and donate or find out how they can support, they can go to traverse project.org. And then yeah, I just got out of a meeting with a, with a really major casting director for unexpected redemption. So we're making headways with that. She's one of the best in the business. So she's going to help us get, she read the, you know, the meeting went really, really good. And she was just like, I read the script. I love the script. I was just, I didn't know that all of this stuff happens. Just like everybody who, every time we do this

podcast, I get so many people, every time I do your show, excuse me, Dr. Drew, I get so many people who reach out to me. I didn't know that that exists. I didn't know about human trafficking. I didn't know about Oregon. I didn't know about this. And so she read the screenplay. She was like, I didn't know about this, but I want to help make this movie and tell a story because this is an important topic. So that's amazing. We took four steps forward.

Right. Congratulations. Can people still go see the short version? Yep. The short version is still on YouTube, the unexpected. And so you could just search the unexpected. Bronze Lens, Remy Adelaide, it'll all pop up there. And then the feature version is going to be called Unexpected Redemption.

We're also raising financing for the feature version so that we can help get the biggest stars we can get. So if anybody's interested in finding out how they can invest in a project that it's not going to only make the money, that's not the main goal of it, but it's going to get the word out there to a wide international audience via organ harvesting, then they can get in contact with you and then get in contact with me. We can make it happen. All right. So we'll follow you on X, R-E-M-I-A-D-E-L-E-K-E. Remy, always great to see you. Say to your wife, is there anything else we need to review here? You got everything? Yes, sir. That's it for now. I got some other things

I got to keep on the wrap for now, but yeah, I'll come back with more intel later. As soon as you unwrap, I want the Intel. All right. Talk to you soon, my friend. All right. Thank you, Dr. True. Thank you, Caleb. Thank you, Susan.

Thanks, man. Oh, I should tell him. I saw our friend. Oh, for goodness sakes. My brain today is like on half power. Well, I'm not going to be able to come up with it. So let's bring up the guest coming here, coming our way to,

do we have the Susan show this afternoon, near-death experience? 3 Pacific. Yep, that's correct. That'll be at three o'clock. Montel Jordan is who I was trying to think of, Remy, if you're listening to me. I saw Montel, spent an afternoon with him.

He's great, and his wife. to me. I saw him on television. I spent an afternoon with him. He's great. And his wife. Laura Logan coming in on the 19th. Dr. Claire Craig has some updates, some really interesting updates. And Jessica Rose will be back with us as well. Chef Andrew Grohl comes back in. Is he going to be in studio, Caleb?

Do you know on that? Because I only ask because he brings gigantic amounts of amazing food when he shows up. Yes, and it always makes me very hungry to watch you guys enjoying that from thousands of miles away. The one bad part about working remotely. He brought so much beautiful meat last time.

We ate it for a week. It was unbelievable. Kelly Victory is coming in with Ed Dowd on December 4th, so we just got that set up. I think it's going to be an early show, like 11 o'clock or something. I don't know. Keep an eye out for when that's going to be.

And otherwise, let's see. So our next show will be Tuesday. Is that the 19th? Let me double check the calendar. I think that's correct. Tuesday the 19th. Yep. Yes.

And then we have the 20th. It doesn't look like I'm looking. Oh, I see. The 20th, we may have a very special guest on the 20th. Was that going to have to be early? No, noon. I see it on the schedule for noon. So I'll telegraph it to say there's a very special guest from the UK who may be coming in on that day. We'll see. Otherwise, we'd probably roll it back to three. And Claire Craig on the Thursday, the 21st, is also noon Pacific because she is

also coming in from the UK. So thank you for being here today. Thank you to my guests. I hope you enjoyed that CJ story. It is quite, quite something to hear that story. It could happen here. That's the thing that we got to watch out for. And again, the German Republic is designed to try to avoid these sorts of excesses and here they go and start becoming excessive in the name of preventing the excesses you see how crazy that is this is the danger of

political philosophies started with Rousseau Rousseau's whole thing was man everywhere in chains must be forced to be free. As soon as you start forcing people to be anything, you have now moved into dangerous territory politically. So thank you all for being here. We will see you this afternoon at 3 o'clock for Susan's show.

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