Ask Dr. Drew - COVID Death Certificates “Fraudulently Omitted” mRNA Vaccine Reactions, Says Data Analyst John Beaudoin, Sr. in Lawsuits – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 235

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

John Beaudoin, Sr., has filed numerous lawsuits against states and health authorities, seeking transparency about death certificates from the COVID-19 pandemic. After sharing some intriguing data with Dr. Drew in a Twitter Space, John agreed to join the show LIVE for a deeper look at his exhibits – and what he says is evidence of widespread death certificate mistakes and possibly even outright fraud. John Beaudoin, Sr. is an engineer and data analyst. He is the author of the forthcoming book "The Real CdC: COVID Facts For Regular People". Follow him at https://twitter.com/JohnBeaudoinSr and https://viaveravita.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome everyone. Today should be an interesting show. It's the first time we've ever had somebody off Twitter spaces who became a guest on the show. But this is John Bowdwin. I want to get that right. And he has a really interesting story to tell about digging in as a data analysis into some of the, let's shall we say, the recording around death certificates and some of the trends he has been saying. He actually has a suit out. I'm going to have him tell his whole story, how he got involved with this, what's going on now, and what we should be concerned about. He's uncovered some very interesting data and humbly, I think people should be listening and very concerned. So let's get to it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are

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this is someone who we came to know through Twitter spaces. He called in a couple of times. Let's get right to John Baldwin and see what he's got to tell us. John, welcome. Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you, that I see you on a call instead of just hearing you.

Yes, not just the voices, the disconnected voices in space. We, of course, by the way, are out on Twitter space today. We may have some time for calls, hopefully. Also, I'm watching you guys on the Rumble rant and over on the restream, all the various streams that are there in the chats, and I'm trying to respond

to somebody on the Rumble rants right now. But, John, tell us the story of how you got involved with this and what happened. Oh, boy. Okay. I lost my son about almost five years ago. I was depressed, sitting on the couch watching TV, and they said this disease was coming up. And I'm not one to believe a lot of stuff, but I thought, you know, we have to take it seriously,

find out what's going on. So I told my son, hey, my middle son, I raised three boys. Charlie was, I think, 20 at the time. And I said, Charlie, you got to take this seriously. He said, no, it's all BS. So I said, no, Charlie, you got to take it seriously. I got into the CDC data to prove him wrong. And what I found out is CDC had 14 through 2018 data. I was going to compare that to the 2019 and 20, what was going on in 2020. And I saw an error in the way they were doing calculations of flu and pneumonia. So I wrote to the keeper of the record. Every file at CDC has the email address of somebody that you write to, to ask questions or to tell them there's a problem. So I wrote and I told him there's a problem and I got no message back, but the file disappeared for 36 hours. And when they put it

back, they changed the data. They didn't change the calculations. They changed the data. And right then I knew something was really wrong. Like you can't do that. Just all of a sudden, on a whim, you're just going to change all kinds of recorded data that funnels up through every state. And it made the COVID narrative kind of, you know, oh, boy, people are dying from all this stuff. And flu and pneumonia are now, you know, pushed aside, if you will. So from there, they did the mask mandate. And being an engineer, taking standard fluid dynamics and thermodynamics classes as a sophomore, I'm not an expert in anything. So I thought, masks don't work. What are they talking about? So I sued the governor in federal court over the mask mandate. And I'm deaf in one ear because I got a shot of streptomycin and penicillin mixed together when I was four years old. The Hong Kong flu was going around in 1968. So I wasn't about to take any shot, but the mask thing, I'm deaf in one ear from that shot. And I thought, they're depriving me of receiving free speech from others. Free

speech is a two-directional thing. People think only speaking freely. You have the right to hear free speech from others. Now, when the governor covered everybody's mouths by order, I can't read their lips. So I wove my way through standing doctrine to gain standing for a First Amendment violation. And apparently they're pretty afraid of that. You're an attorney by training? Is that true or no?

No. No, I'm an engineer. You're an engineer, right? And what kind of engineering? Electrical engineer. Okay. I never did any design. How did you, like, it seems like a reach to to sue a governor how did you think to do that uh i didn't like what they were doing and i knew it was unconstitutional so i i i will solve

whatever problem it's right yes yes everything is a system okay and i i played in an over 50 soccer league and i won't say the guy's name because he'll get mad at me. He's a lawyer, big, big time lawyer, big firm, Harvard Law School. I said, hey, give me something like that somebody complained about. So he gave me a complaint that had already been done. I basically copied it, filled in all my stuff, changed the law from a statutory law they were using to constitutional right that I have. And I just did it and then so i was nervous yeah i don't know what i'm doing and i have a lawsuit against the state i i wrote

about 11 papers with regard to masks and everything else i'll try to wrap this up so we can get to other stuff no don't wrap it up this is very interesting and so what do you mean you wrote 11 papers you mean you did from it from an engineering data standpoint. You analyzed what was available on masks and you wrote sort of opinion pieces about it. Is that correct? No. I looked into, okay, when was the first mask used? There was a paper written in around 1894 where a surgeon said, if we tape gauze to your mouth, we won't accidentally spit into the patient's open wound

while we're talking to the nurse during the surgery. That was the first time masks were used and it was only to stop fluid transfer from the surgeon to the patient. Now, it then grew from there. That's all it's ever really been. And when people point at the surgeons and the surgical mask, that's all it's ever been,

is to prevent bacteria from the mouth and nose from entering and the surgical mask, that's all it's ever been, is to prevent bacteria from the mouth and nose from entering into the surgical field. Exactly. And what they found in the 40s is that when they did a survey of surgeons, how many of you have had splatter across your mask? Then they determined the other way because, you know, things are going to happen, an artery or something's going to burst. The surgeon gets it his face. And so they, almost every surgeon at one time throughout his career had bodily fluids from the patient splash across his mask. So now you have a two directional thing, but the protection is still fluids and it's not aerosolized. Right. And I can tell you that. And by the way, to say that it's one, once wonder, that it's one time a surgeon,

I may be in certain kinds of fields, like if you're only operating on the ear or something, but you'd be amazed how many times pus pockets are opened in surgery under pressure and go all over the place. That's loaded with bacteria. Yeah, yeah. So I cited the papers that I was using as a basis for my papers. They were kind of either half articles, half papers. I have an MBA. I got it when I was 51 through

54. As soon as I graduated, that's when my son died and I sat on the couch and I didn't work. What happened to your son he bought a motorcycle as a 20 year old and uh oh boy i had to make a decision whether or not i get in a fight with him on the front lawn um take a sledgehammer to it or just hope that he only breaks some ribs and he did it all oh so sorry yeah yeah so i um started doing the papers and then I had the lawsuit and I thought you know I told his friends his friends were coming over for the second anniversary of his death and I said go check out my website I just I just created a website via Vera Vita the way of the truth in the life and my

son's name is John he was was born in the 14th. Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, Via Vera Vita. Okay, nice. Yeah. Nice. That's my other website. I now have a new one as of yesterday.

We'll get to it in a minute. But I told one of his friends, who's a Maronite Catholic, very religious, go check out my website. And then they were coming over for beers on the patio. And I kind of know where way truth and life comes from. My son was born on the 14th day of the sixth month, June. His name is John also. He's a junior. Um, so I Googled at a red light, a way truth, life Bible. And Google came back with John chapter 14, verse six, my son's name, uh, birth month and birthday and I started crying in the car and I went to put the phone down because the light turned green so

all within the five seconds of seeing that and then putting the phone down like turning green the radio the very verse on the radio was sweet child of mine so I was kind of freaked out and I like you know somebody's trying to send me a sign so I went to law school within two weeks I was in law freaked out. Somebody's trying to send me a sign. So I went to law school. Within two weeks, I was in law school. So at 56, I did a year of law school, so it helped me with my case, and it helped me with the next case.

I got thrown out of law school for not getting the vaccine. They took my money. Oh, my God. I had no idea. That's crazy. But I knew you had to have some legal training. It didn't make any sense to me that you did not. So unless it's a catch me if you can situation.

Yeah, get this, that the governor was so afraid of my case, he rescinded order 31, reissued a new order 55. You can look this up in Massachusetts, COVID order 55. There's an exception in paragraph 2B that specifically states nobody hearing impaired and no one speaking to anybody hearing impaired has to wear a mask. And by doing so, he took my standing to sue him. So he made that rule for the entire state just to get around my lawsuit. And I, and I'm a little buddy. I wasn't a lawyer at the time. So it's been fun. Yeah.

And then they came up with a vaccine mandate. And now I have a lawsuit in federal court against, well, I have a state lawsuit as a contract violation against the school. I got an A in the contracts class, by the way. I have a 30 something year career. I say I'm an engineer, but I've never done design work. My career has been in sales and marketing of a pretty large contract, software contracts.

There's no cost of goods sold. You know, you're just selling, um, basically everything is profit when you, when you do a deal, it's equivalent to doing like $200 million deals for hardware. So that's the kind of level of selling to billion-dollar CEOs and CTOs and CFOs. From that, I was trained. They spent 40 grand training me. It was more than an MBA at the time. I learned about behavior, psychology. I call it manipulation. It has a negative connotation, but what you're doing is trying to manipulate somebody around what you want them to buy. The more palatable term is called persuasion.

You're trying to persuade people. There are three terms that are actually being the same thing. Fourth things, hypnosis, brainwashing, persuasion, manipulate. They're all pretty much the same thing. But, hey, I have a question. Somebody on the Rumble page asked something interesting. A lot of the pictures of Florence Nightingale show her wearing a mask. She was in, what, the Crimean War, 18th, 19th century.

Is that just a 20th century rendition of her? Or was she actually wearing a mask back in the 19th century i i have no idea i that's beyond me that was not part of my research i figured figured you were reading a lot of history on masks so okay keep going so so you had this incredible sort of almost spiritual moment at the at the stoplight what happened then then? They threw me out of the school. Before I went a day to that school, I looked at their whatever thing they had written in their application. I wrote him to the director of admissions. It says here I'm going to have to get a vaccine when it's available. I'm not going to get a vaccine. I'm deaf in one ear from getting a vaccine.

I've had a DVT in my leg. I've had tinnitus, vertigo. There's one other thing. Oh, I forget. But one other thing. Anyway, he wrote back to me and he said, don't worry, you're over 30 years old. You don't have to get a vaccine and nobody's going to ask you if you've ever had one. And then nine months later, they make a rule and they broke the contract. It's written, it incorporates into the contract. So I've got them, I think, dead to rights in a contract violation. But what I sued the government on, the governor, the commissioner of public health, the chief medical examiner, and four individual medical examiners, my original complaint was mostly fraud charges with also deprivation of rights, civil action

for deprivation of rights. I've since amended it. I've removed all the federal felonies about fraud and I'm going with just the civil action for deprivation of rights. It's a lot easier and cleaner and I don't have to justify a private right of action where citizens can't really use criminal laws to try to win a civil case. It has to be at least implied within the statute. So back to center here, that's still open. They've done their motion to dismiss. I've done my opposition memorandum and, um, here we are 10 months later and it still hasn't been dismissed. Uh, there is plenty of fraud to go around. Exhibit F is 123 pages long of hard evidence, uh, where they, they, um,

they wrote acute fentanyl intoxication deaths as COVID deaths. So basically fentanyl overdoses were COVID deaths. Blunt force trauma to the head, blunt force trauma to the torso. There are people who reacted to the vaccine within five minutes, some within hours. They were dead within either hours or days. They don't mention the vaccine at all. And they say they died of COVID on some of them. So they're telling you a seven-year-old

little girl died from complications of coronavirus 19 viral infection is the exact quote, when in reality she reacted within five minutes to the vaccine. So yeah, and all kinds of data. People say I'm the data guy. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm just wondering where else you've been pushing out this information and how people respond to it. Is it the usual cancellation from people that claim God knows what kind of authority over the information or how is it being received? I'm in a different position than all the people who cite research papers. What I have is irrefutable facts from a database from the state government. And the way I've analyzed them is different than the way anybody else has done it.

So I have been around Dr. Drew. I've done about 30 different podcasts, small market podcasts. One of my Twitter threads I just checked on it I was surprised it's up to 160,000 views it's not bad that's the one on remdesivir and acute renal failure the strokes and neurological problem presentation that was up to 65,000 last time I checked on it three months ago so I'm getting out there on Twitter but I'd like to really reach people who are you know sitting on the fence wondering who's right. These guys have papers and these guys have papers. Everybody's dueling papers. I'm not dueling papers. I'm dealing with facts. And there's a term in law, I'll just use it as a regular term, res ipsa loci tur. And that is the thing.

The facts speak for themselves. Exactly. The facts speak for themselves. Exactly. The facts speak for themselves. Somebody takes a vaccine and dies in front of you, do you need somebody to write a research paper on it? How about 10 of them? How about 100 people die from the vaccine within a couple hours? Do you really need somebody to write a research paper to tell you what it was?

Have you reached out to any of the families of people who've had those sort of catastrophic events where are they it seems like they've been awfully quiet through this whole thing is one thing when we have the people that are vaccine injured being marginalized and pushed away they they don't have the energy for it but the families of people who died, we have the one case. Shoot, Sean, Sean's father is, you know, it's something called like justice for Sean, if I remember right. And he is making a lot of noise, but he's the only one I've come across. Have you been reached out to anybody? Well, there's Ernesto and there's a number of others. But in terms of the ones I have here in Massachusetts I did reach out to two one relative of one said okay he'll talk to

you now it's been enough months but then there was no response I dr. drew I've been in that position I can't play I can't play at all I didn't want to talk to anybody no I understand I totally get it. I completely understand. Listen, that is not a mystery to me. I totally, completely understand that. However, let me just sort of frame it this way. When people have, much the way you're trying to make a difference right now, when people have these catastrophic events, they often deal with it by finding ways to make a difference on behalf of the loss. So the loss is not in vain.

And with something like this where other kids might be being injured, I would think they would want to come forward to prevent other families from experiencing anything like that. So it's a bit of a different deal, even though I completely understand if they don't want to. Yeah, I don't know what to say to that. I agree with you. I'm doing everything I can to spread the word. Well, let's step back a little bit, and I want you to give us some of your new data,

but I also want you first to sort of frame what you've learned. How would you frame it? What's the sort of conclusion that you're coming to? Yeah. Yeah. So just so you know, like I said, I've done about 30 different podcasts, but I've also done a lot of live presentations for CHD, Children's Health Defense, the local chapters in couple. I've spoken at the state house. So I've been around doing these. A lot of it's in my head. So you can ask me anything. Now,

how do I sum this up? If we don't talk about the individuals, which resonate really well with people, okay, the first quarter of my book is about people. And then I get into the data in the third quarter of my book. But if you want to talk about the data, summing it up, the symptom spectrum profile, oh, there's my book. Thank you very much. The symptom spectrum profile of excess deaths changed from 2020 was respiratory. So those are J codes in ICD-10 codes. You have your ARDS, COPD, but mostly you got a lot of pneumonia. So like a J189, we can talk about that in a minute. It's like all the dot nines are when the medical examiner or doctor is just kind of lazy because that's unspecified in most cases.

So this is like J18.123, but the.9s are used more often than not. Now, the J codes were higher in excess in the 2020 year. And in the 2021 year, it switched over. It switched over from J codes, respiratory, to I codes, circulatory, and D codes, blood. And when I say I codes, circulatory, that includes the heart and anything, all the veins and lymphatic vessels associated with it. And the D codes would be like thrombocytopenia, acute post-hemorrhagic anemia. Some of the veins and lymphatic vessels are under the D codes because there's something wrong with the immune mechanism. So there's those. So the D codes went up and the I codes went up while COVID went down, while pneumonia

went down, while all-cause deaths went down. So the symptom spectrum profile, I call it, as you look at a graph and you look at like what's happening with all the codes, you've got, what's this? Oh, the decodes. Okay. Graph, if people are seeing it now. Yeah. This is adjusted for all-cause deaths. So this is in a percentage. Don't worry about the percentages. Just look at the shape of the graph. 2020 was a huge year in Massachusetts with about 8,800 excess deaths in only nine weeks. So the pandemic itself was only nine weeks. I can show stuff. When people see my graphs, they're just shocked. Massachusetts drove the pandemic, along with New York and New Jersey, as the top three

in the world in deaths per million for the entire first year. Like, oh boy, those states are doing great. Yeah, Massachusetts was the model in response. We're such a model in response. We were the third worst in the entire world in COVID deaths per population, all due to those nine weeks in Massachusetts. Now, those were COVID associated with pneumonia. And then all of a sudden, on a year boundary, it changes. What you're looking at here is the decodes. These are blood. It says right there,

certain immune mechanism involving blood forming organs and the blood itself. So anything ending with emia. And if you looked at this of just numbers, 2020 would also be high, not as high as 21, but that's because of the greater excess deaths. If you adjust for all cause, it goes away. The signal goes away. And now this is how many people are affected as a percentage of overall death. And you see 21 and 22 are just crazy high. There's no disputing this. And when I go into individual codes, not just- So let's leave this up for a second. Let's leave it up for a second for your individual codes. I'm afraid I'm going to sneeze here. Excuse me a second. Time I get in here.

But so I want to make sure I heard what you said. So all cause mortality was down in 2021 relative to 2020. And the majority of 2020 was a essentially three month, two or threemonth period when J codes were the predominant cause of death. Okay. And you said when you adjust for the reduced number of deaths per year, the signal goes away. It's only when you look at it as a percentage of deaths. Is that correct? Yes.

Just small nuances. I just want to make sure I correct um well but it's actually important it's simply it's important i just think it's important that that data be you know we discuss it as it as it is so so you know now as a you know living through that period and treating a lot of people in that in that 2021 era there was a lot of COVID-related and post-COVID-related vascular events. At least we thought so. And then it got to be difficult to tell what was COVID and what was the vaccine because everyone was getting vaccinated.

Did you have a way of sorting those things out? I can sort by individual codes. Yeah. Here's the problem. Okay, here we go. So here we go. The nine weeks in Boston, you can't figure out what happened and no one will ever be able to figure out what happened. I interviewed a medical examiner for three and a half hours, reviewed hundreds of death certificates with him. I'll say him or her, I'll switch off because I

don't want anybody to know who it was. And I know what happened. They didn't show up to work because they were afraid of COVID. And so what they did was they called the old folks home. They said, what happened? Well, she was 95. She was coughing and she died. Okay, that's a COVID death. Maybe throw pneumonia on there too. They didn't do blood labs. They didn't do tissue samples. They didn't do imaging. They didn't do their jobs i'm sure that happened i'm sure that happened i'm sure of it but and so that's different than i'm i'm i but but now i want to go back to the post-covid era really which is sort of what's going on there and the sequelae of covid was there a way to would they put you know there there are codes i think it's u00.9 or something there's a post-covid code but of, they didn't create that code until 2022 or so, did they?

Correct, but I've never seen the code. I've used it. I've used it. I've used it, but I've never used it on a death certificate. Yeah. Now, the major problem that we have is you have how many people, scientists, they're looking at Pfizer data from three years ago. Why? We have 300 million people in the country, probably 200 million of whom have been vaccinated. We have the records. We have the immunization registry. Every state has the records. All you have to do is give me one week.

I'll write the code to correlate the two databases. Anybody can do this or anybody who can write some code can do this. I've offered it to Joe Lattipo and Ron DeSantis through, I'll just say, six big-named people. They know the offer was made for a pro bono public health audit of data. And all you got to do is correlate the two databases, look at how many people died within 24 hours, three days, one week, three weeks, and you're done. You'll find a thousand deaths from the vaccine.

Do me a favor. Send me, at the end of this, I'm going to give you my email address. I want to email with a quick paragraph on what you're willing to do. Let me make sure that LATIP, it doesn't sound like him not to respond to something like that. So let me make sure it goes directly to him. Okay. Um, so let's, let's, yeah, remember to do that because that's a, that's a perfect place to start.

Right. I mean, also you might want to, there are some other places like North Dakota and South Dakota and there, you know, there's places where people are worried about these things and thinking about it. They're too small. They're small, but you put them together, we might get something. And they do tend to correlate. And the Dakotas and Wyoming, they all tend to pool their data. The medical school is all in one place and it's all one thing.

It's Idaho, the Dakotas, and and wyoming i think are all one deal and they might be well interested in this kind of thing too and so that's another again good reason for me to have your letter if i can get it through the governors these people absolutely i'll definitely do that so what what latifo ended up doing is uh commission commissioning the University of Florida for a study on the effects on the heart from the vaccine. It's going to take six months to a year. I could end this in a week with any data pool that's 3 million population, not 3 million death certificates. So if the state has 3 million population, you know, there's enough death certificates there to find stuff. And I don't mean to.

And why that number? Just curious. Why 3 million threshold for yeah yeah it's just it's easier to find signals when the massachusetts has seven million people and we got vermont uh a great guy in new york city got vermont um and it was just more difficult to find signals because there were so few. So especially when you get to the younger ages, so few kids are dying. You can't make a signal out of it.

You have to inspect every record. And everybody should be inspecting every record of the children because it's easy. There's only 20. When I went to look for the seven-year-old girl, there were only four I had to look at. And only one of them kind of matched in time and everything perfectly matched. So I knew it was her. That was it. And how did you, what did you find in terms of pre-existing conditions and the like in the kids that were dying of COVID?

Oh, kids that were dying from COVID. Well, nobody really died from COVID in 2020. They started dying from COVID after they started vaccinating. There really weren't any. Now, there's about seven. Kirsch called me a couple days ago and asked me to look it up, and I sent him the list. And I think it was seven kids in 2022, seven kids between ages one and 17

died in 2022. And when we started looking through him, you can't tell if it's a vax death or a COVID death, especially if they're dying from pulmonary embolism. I'm sorry. Right. Yeah. I mean, pulmonary embolism is the one thing that has gone under the radar. I'm convinced that is more the vaccine than COVID, but it is out there and it's happening a lot. The COVID, during acute COVID, we saw pulmonary embolism. It was happening during acute COVID, but post COVID, it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Now, there was a director of the pediatric ICU at, I think it was Mass General, was saying, I'm so sick and tired of seeing kids die in our ICU. It's happening all the time. Come in here and see all these deaths. And I thought, I can't believe that's true. So you have actually the data that that's not true, number one. And number two, I just realized that the pediatric world's tolerance for death is totally different than the rest of medicine.

It just seems to be a completely different diathesis. It's like one death in a state, vaccinate the whole state. That seems to be kind of the ethic behind it. Am I right there? Well, I think you would have been, but for COVID coming along and kind of switching that, because now they're covering up vaccine deaths. They know damn well these kids died from COVID. You get an 11-year-old boy who gets a booster, and then he has chest pains, trouble breathing, goes to Children's hospital. And

they put him on a ventilator because they get a lot of money. You know, Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman both said, if you subsidize something, you get more of it. So he died on the ventilator at 11 years old. And they donated his heart. When they pulled it out of his chest, it was full of clots. You don't see that in the news. You have to talk to a family member. You know, everything's being covered up. I'm getting gradually more sick to my stomach the more we are talking here. Let's do this. You know, I want to break down some of the data. We have a couple more graphs I want to go over. I want to see some, hear some of your newer observations. I got to take a little break, do some business. Follow John at John.

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We got to get it on the pre-order schedule. Come on now. Yeah, well, do I self-publish or go to a big publisher? I have to make a call to somebody and try to take this off my plate because I'm working on the second one. The second one is the real CDC does Minnesota. We have the Minnesota data, and it's bad. And that's the new data, right? That's the new stuff you've got? There's a wonderful woman in Minnesota who got the data and shared it with some of us. We have a small group, kind of a loose group, and we have a plan for researchers to be able to access this data. If you don't mind, I want to get to a couple of important things because I'm looking at the clock here.

Please, by all means, by all means. People don't understand how this could have happened and how everybody could have been quiet. Now, I told you I have an MBA, but my career was in, like I said, manipulating persuasion. I've studied people and been trained on it. And the CARES Act is, it's called an inchoate crime solicitation, like conspiracy, they're an attempt. Those are crimes that you don't actually do, but you conspire to be part of. The CARES Act is solicitation of fraud. That's what it is. They wrote it in 2018.

How do doctors and how do hospital administrators, how are all these people going along with something that's really bad? Well, they don't think it's really bad. They're doing kind of what they were told to do. If you want more people to be put on ventilators, like I said, subsidize it. The same thing with COVID deaths. If you want more COVID deaths to be filled out as COVID deaths, subsidize it. So they did, and they got more. They know the intent that they put that through. Now, also, why are people not winning law cases? You know about the PrEP Act and the liability

shield. But what people don't understand is that our society is built on an economic system of tort law. And at the intersection of law and economics, which most lawyers really don't even understand, the law professor had me do a video. I have a video on YouTube right now still. If you type in the hand formula, there was a judge called Learned Hand. And he came up with a hand formula, burden of precautions. If it's less than the probability of negative externality will occur times the liability, then you should have put the handrail in. If handrail is $2,000 and is 5% chance somebody's going to fall off it and it'll cost them $100,000 in medical expenses.

$2,000 is less than $5,000. You're guilty. You're now responsible for that. And so that burden of precautions is very important because if you drive liability to zero, which is what they did with the liability shield in the PrEP Act for the vaccines, what you have is opportunism and shirking by the manufacturers. And you've shifted the burden of precautions from the least cost avoider, which is the manufacturer, to the most cost avoider, which is the people. But it doesn't manifest in pecuniary or financial terms for the manufacturer or for the negative externality. In people, it manifests in death and maim. And so in any economic system, when the market mechanism is broken, which is what they did with the liability shield, then you have,

the whole thing's crazy. And the behaviors that flow from the CARES Act and the PREP Act, those behaviors are natural human behaviors. The basis of economic theory is the rationality principle. People act in their own self-interest. And then we get into a moral discussion, which I won't do right now because it's too long. But I just wanted to talk about law and economics because that's the crux of everything that's happened in every court case, especially in courts of equity, which are not courts of law. You have a balance of the individual liberties versus the public interest. And the judges have always sided with the government and the public interest, whereas there's no public interest value to these vaccines. So thank you for letting me go on for a little bit.

Okay. But I feel like that is a diathesis that evolved late in 21 and 22. I think that's correct. But there was already crazy behavior going on in 20 for sure and in 21. And there was one distorted, I guess you're calling them subsidies, which was this paying hospitals for a COVID diagnosis. But I remember at the time, the conceit was we have to keep hospitals open. That's all they're allowing in their doors is COVID cases. In order to stay open, we have to pay them more. Yeah, we have to pay them more and we have to pay them for sure for a COVID diagnosis. Now, because everything was so false during that period of history, was that also a falsity? Was that also a persuasion of some sort for some reason?

I have to think so. In the first year, there were a number of things that happened. If you were to break down the pneumonia codes by J15 bacterial, J12 viral, and then under bacterial, it would be J15 dot, whether it's staphylococcus, streptococcus, or another bacterium, there are individual codes for it. the viral is the same pattern as the unspecified which is the biggest category it's also the same pattern as kovat and the same pattern as all cause bacterial didn't go down bacterial stayed flat so from 2020 to 2021 to 2022 it went down down all those other codes

but bacterial is straight across. The site from CDC and NIH, there is no mention of the word antibiotic. It's not there in the entire site. I believe that a lot of people got killed because they refused to give them antibiotics. I really believe that. That's part of it. The other part is people didn't show up at old folks homes, the elder care homes. And what happened was they, if you're 94 years old and somebody doesn't get you up to walk down the hall twice a day, you don't bear weight on your legs, you're gonna get DVTs.

They're gonna throw to PEs. Your lungs are gonna fill up with fluid. The lack of care of sick patient was the astonishing, astonishing outcome of the hysteria. My question has always been, where did this hysteria come from? Who is responsible for it? Why was it so out of hand? It just was, I mean, I've sort of been putting the pieces together on how it happened, and I think I kind of understand it, but the magnitude of this hysteria and that it was handed down from on high without any questioning and any dissent was dealt with voraciously. I've never seen anything like that. That, what was that? Where did that come from?

Why don't we get some lawsuits directed at whatever that was? Yeah, I have a chapter on just about everything we're discussing. Now, you want to get into EBM and the paper I am, but still, you're not 40 years old. I'm older. Okay. Well, you're in California, so you don't have the harsh winters of Massachusetts. I went to college in New England. How dare you? Oh, yeah.

Four years. What is it? Amherst? It's the GenuCell. Yes. Yes. That's why Bowden's in my head. All the small schools are in my head. Bone broth. Right. So, there you go. So, EDM indoctrinated everybody to bow to the

central authority. And again, as an economic system, you lose people at the margins whenever you centralize, whether it's an electronic system, a mechanical system, or an economic system. So what happened is they get all these people indoctrinated. They could not have done this, Dr. Drew, 10 years ago, because the older doctors would not have put up with it. They wouldn't have put up with it. They know it. And these people have aged out. But remember, it's not just that they were older. Now, by the way, I've had many discussions, several discussions with physicians from my vintage, and they look at me, they just go, you know, these younger physicians

have a different relationship with infectious disease. And we all cut our teeth on the AIDS pandemic. We were up to our elbows in a disease with 100% fatality, and that's how we approach infectious disease now. But the, what was I going to say about this? Oh, it's not just, damn, I forgot my point. I was going to say something like it's not just that they haven't seen very, very, oh,

it's not just that the older guys are used to being, and gals, are used to being independent and have seen much more serious infectious diseases, including H1N1 and other ones that we've sort of watched and did nothing in terms of the national scale of response. We just let it happen, and people were warned, and doctors were aware. 300,000 people died, and that was that, and more young people than old people, as opposed to COVID, which is almost all you old people.

But the point is, not just we had seen things differently across our careers. We were not employees. Sixty percent of younger physicians are employees, and they just did what their employer told them. That is the issue. I don't think that's young versus old. I think that's employed versus independent. I have that exact thing in my book.

The chapter is actually called EBM and Dr. Backer, who was my doctor. When we used to go to the doctor, there was like one or two or maybe up to 10 doctors in an office. And if somebody didn't know what was going on, you'd say, I'm going to bring the older doctor in. Do you mind? Oh, yeah, no problem. Bring him in. And he'd say, oh, you don't understand the water supply around here. There's too much iron or calcium and you don't understand the genetics. The Portuguese can't eat this kind of fish, you know? But you don't have that now. You have what I call the laptop God on the wheelie table.

Right? The doctor, they type in your stuff in the little laptop on the little wheelie table and the laptop tells them what to do. And if they don't do it, now they put their career at risk because they didn't follow the papers. Now, EBM flipped the scientific method on its head. They now have a derogation of the term case that they call an anecdote and they've derogated

it. They speak about it derogatorily as if it's bad. An anecdote is a case. The patient in front of you is the best evidence you have of what's going on not these papers from some study you know halfway around the world from different genetics and different locations and foods and it's everything so that is the other thing that's the other thing i've noticed which is is that the focus on publication as opposed to clinical impression of practitioners is completely flipped. I mean, we've always, you know, the medical literature

is only a recapitulation of our clinical instincts, our clinical impressions. And if we're really off, the literature will sort of shine a light on where we're off, and it will be reproducibly set up again and again and again, and that's fine. But there are things like the Women's Health Initiative, where they told us to take all women off hormones forever, and we're a witch doctor if we should ever do anything different than that. Turned out to be completely wrong. The opioids, and pain is the fifth vital sign. And if you allow any human to ever experience anything like pain, you are a cruel, abusive, horrible practitioner. Terrible standard of care killed God knows how many people. And now we're into the millions, frankly, of deaths related to that one. So these things have, we're not learning from these things. It's something crazy happening

where we're just, we are, I don't know what to do with this. I'm just so upset about it. It's something I've been railing against my entire career. And now this, maybe the legal system is the way to respond to it. What do you think? Oh, it's a combination. I mean, nothing happens, whether it's legal, statutory, legislative, executive, they all sway with public opinion. So it's all about public opinion. People have to lose their faith and trust in government in order to open their minds to the possibility of the government harmed them. Now, whether it was on purpose almost doesn't matter. Whether they're reckless or purposeful or knowing or negligent, I don't care. They killed a million people. People have no idea the numbers that are being killed. In remdesivir, excuse me, I don't care. They killed a million people. People have no idea the numbers

that are being killed. In remdesivir, excuse me, I don't know that it's remdesivir. In acute renal failure alone, Minnesota, Vermont, and Massachusetts all show the same rise, which is 100% increase, 100% in acute renal failure. And that, that, it's huge. Why is it happening? I mean, we know that remdesivir causes that. We know that remdesivir was approved in its last EUA in October 22nd, 2020, and that the curbs all started up in the middle of November. They shot right up in a 45 degree angle. It's crazy that nobody's looking into it. Yeah, yeah, you do. I just. I just sent the Minnesota memorandum. It's posted on Twitter in a thread, every page of it. And I put the governor, lieutenant governor, what do you call it, the Department of Health head and the attorney general,

they're all on notice. They now know of this and they can't hide from it. If they don't investigate, they have a legal duty to investigate that. And if they don't, they're willfully ignoring what is harming their populace to the tune of 1,600 excess acute renal failure deaths in the last two years. So it's a good document. It's just an open memorandum to them. I mailed it certified letter. I did the same thing with Vermont. And I have Massachusetts in the federal court. We'll see what happens. It'll be dismissed. It's too big. My evidence is too, 123 pages of hard evidence. It's too big. I don't

see how they can let it go through. It'll be the biggest thing. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? You know, judges get calls and they're told to dismiss cases based on we can't deal with this. If my case goes through and I get to discovery, it brings down the government. It shows that they covered up all these deaths. They drove the fraud. One of my chapters is fraud of omission. The other is fraud of commission. The fraud of omission of vaccine deaths, I can show tons of them. I mean, I have the death certificates. I have the VAERS reports correlated. Sarah Beller, consular and bilateral uncle herniation in a 12-year-old girl who had a stroke in the same month that she had her vaccine. You know, both the VAERS report and the death certificate have the exact same phraseology. There's no question it is she. And then I could talk about others and even

brief reports like Harvard Medical College, six doctors from Harvard Medical College, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, they wrote a six page report about Brianna, who was 30 years old. She had symptoms within hours of her Moderna vaccine, okay? And then she went to the ER, went again, and then they brought her there the third time because she didn't recognize her sister. And she ended up dying from an ischemic stroke. She was brain dead in a couple days. They took her off life support in two weeks. Her death certificate says she died as a root cause of COVID. She had COVID four months earlier, asymptomatically, just a positive test. She reacted immediately from the vaccine. It's not on the death certificate. She had COVID

four months earlier, asymptomatically. They put COVID on the death certificate. They know it's wrong. The title, Dr. Drew, the title of this brief report is Fatal Post-COVID mRNA Vaccine Associated Cerebral Ischemia. They're telling you in the title that the vaccine killed her by stroke. And then in the beginning paragraph, we have several reports of several vaccines causing strokes. And then another one, we have a number of reports with CVSTs, although this is not a CVST for the audience. That's a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis another type of stroke And we see these frequently with thrombocytopenia or no where thrombocytopenia is frequent So you've got from society is frequent

with the CVS T And they say CVS T's are associated with it. There's a number of reports the number of case reports You know what they write in the summary? It's extremely rare. They write it's extremely rare. Oh, it's so extremely rare that Diane died two weeks before Brianna got her injection from acute intracranial hemorrhage in the setting of thrombocytopenia. And five weeks later, 17-year-old Eden died from a CVST. She went to the doctor twice for a headache right after she got it. When her headache resolved, they gave her the second shot. She died of a stroke.

So if it's so rare, how come three women in the same hospital? The strange thing is that that was more associated with the J&J vaccine. Can Caleb maybe throw up my picture? I'll show John. I know it was associated more with, I'm not saying it factually was more, but there's my CVS. I swear I didn't do it.

I woke up with that the morning after my vaccine. And I looked at him and I go, do you have eyeliner on? Which is the presenting symptom of CVSD. So there you go. I didn't go and check if I had thrombocytopenia. I didn't want to know. I just figured it's going to be what it's going to be. And yeah, I got lucky.

Exactly. And that was the J&J vaccine. And appropriately, they took that off the market. That was the appropriate thing to do. But it wasn't just the J&J. I want to make that clear. It's across the board. I understand. I understand. And so that's the part that's being sort of obfuscated here. So where do we go from here? Do we go more data that makes my stomach hurt,

or do we talk more about what can be done about this, or how to push the data out or create awareness by the way i wish you'd send me that paper from beth israel i would like to tweet that out if possible oh yeah i'll make a note of that it's uh it's all over my what's all right so so what what's next i mean what do we uh what do we do um Or is there more to be revealed in this conversation even? I feel like we've gotten deep enough in to create alarm. So I guess we're not up against the clock. I was thinking we were up against the hard stop. And so I was kind of talking fast and stuff. Yeah, I have a few different solutions I proposed.

One is IMEF. I had talked to a guy out at Stanford. You know the name. I don't want to commit him to anything, but he said, yeah, I'd be up for that. And a bunch of other big names. You probably don't know. A lot of the big name guys know me. I'm known in certain circles. And I call it the IMEF, International Medical Ethics Forum. We need to get the words. Now, people don't understand, you've got the Massachusetts Medical Society that's been around since the late 1700s. They own the New England Journal of Medicine, the premier, the best supposedly medical journal.

Bill Gates comes by in 2018, drops off $12 million. What does it buy him? What does it buy him? What does it buy him? It buys in censorship of anything against the vaccine and promotion of anything for the vaccine. And then you've got the medical boards, the American Board of Internal Medicine, American Board of Family Medicine, American Board of Pediatrics. The three CEOs have a published letter. It's probably still on the web today. You can go to abim.whatever. You just Google it, American Board of Internal Medicine, and look for that open letter. It says if any doctors

spread vaccine misinformation, they'll have their certification suspended or revoked. And then they also mentioned licensing, which is really done by the states, but they have influence on that. They threatened and coerced every doctor in the United States. The doctors know. I've spoken to doctors personally. I know one particular doctor who injected over a thousand people knowing that it's bad and they don't even want to live in Massachusetts anymore. So how do you fix it? Well, we got to get the government out from in between the doctor and the patient. And a reaffirmation of the Hippocratic Oath, Nuremberg Code, the Helsinki Papers. And then we add on a layer of the new

electronic world that we have, how to do telemedicine. So you reaffirm what we have for ethics. And anyway, I have it set to meet, what I would like to do is build up this to meet in the fall of 2025 at the site of the Bretton Woods Agreement. And we'll call it the International Medical Ethics Forum. We do it at Mount Washington Hotel in New Hampshire, have people fly in from around the world. And what comes out of it is a new set of ethics to keep the government out from in between the patient and the doctor. And there's a lot more to it. A lot of details I haven't said, but that's. It seems like you're going to have to create a pretty strong wind of public outrage to be able to create sort of the energy around this that you're looking for,

it seems to me. Because otherwise, the people that are still... Let's think about it this way. So I still vaccinate my elderly patients. It's been very, very helpful. I very complicate... Elderly patients, people don't understand, it's a very different situation. I have on multiple medicines with delicate balances

in those medication or anti-tuberculous medication where I can't use Paxlovid. I can't use anything because they've had liver toxicity and they enhance that. There's all kinds of situations medically that people are into when they're older, whether it's cancer, immunosuppression. I mean, you get older, you've got shit going on. And the vaccine did not seem to, no one seemed to have a significant reaction. And I didn't see any adverse outcome down the line. And it gave me a significant amount of security in making decisions about some of the things I was doing with these very complicated cases. In spite of that, I have no idea why the pediatric world and the CDC is pushing so hard on vaccinating young people. I just don't understand it. It

doesn't make sense to me. So that's really where the risk-reward issue falls out of bed, and where the data that you're showing has to be discussed in the light of day so people can make decisions about whether they should be taking a vaccine for a virus that doesn't do anything to them, while the vaccine, it appears, may be doing something to them. Why can't we have that conversation and the fact that that is being obfuscated and withheld and the editorial process and the, by the way, the editorial process is shifting. From the American Board of Internal Medicine, Analyst of Internal Medicine has started asking good questions and showing articles asking real questions. And New England Journal even came up with a couple of things recently where I was like,

okay, maybe they're finally willing to do what they've always done and show both sides of an issue. In fact, New England Journal is famous for showing two articles on every topic, one with a positive result and one with a negative result. And so it's this, it's the young people that this issue is really swirling around. And it has always been about the young people because one of the first things that the CDC prevented us from seeing was that this was a disease that affected the elderly. It was one of the first things that we were prevented from having access to. And the press

was all in on all of this. So the question becomes, how do we get this? And people are extremely defensive, both in the press and in the medical world where they have held these positions all along, to really begin to talk about this more meaningfully. And by the way, attacking, if you dare bring these things up, you read the open letter you mentioned, although I just tried to find it. I can't find it online here. But don't we need to do something more to create, to get the press starting to talk about this, to create more of a public outrage around these issues? Yeah, everything comes down to public opinion, but I'll ask you a more of a technical question. You understand that all the research papers and how to do studies and trials

better than I do. Why do you think they did not ever do a study of lipid nanoparticles with a payload of water or saline? It was absolutely, I mean, any moron would know that you have to control for that. And they never did. And now they're making other mRNA vaccines without producing mRNA. And they're going to do RSV and flu and chickenpox. It's going to do all these things in RNA using the same transfection method using LNPs to try to mimic the outside of a cell to slide it in there. And you've got antiphospholipid syndrome, you've got PEG allergies, you're killing people to a tune of, you know, whatever, how many per million or per hundred thousand without even caring. And you don't even test to see if they have that allergy. It's criminal.

That's right. So you know the answer, right? It was rushed to market. It have that allergy. It's criminal. That's right. So, so you know the answer, right? It was rushed to market. It was an emergency. I understand that maybe, you know, you can argue about, was it worth the risk or not, but it's an emergency. We did something extreme, but we haven't gone back and done the necessary studies we would ordinarily do. That's the craziness. And they've just forged on. No, you're saying no to that. No, I didn't say no. Sorry. I'm like itchy or something. But it's purposeful.

It's intentional. This is high school biology. It's just a simple control. You know that they would have done it. Just like they're not doing quality assurance and quality control. You know, my friend Kevin McKernan, who's a brilliant geneticist, he used to work, run at the Human Genome Project at MIT. Now he's Chief Science Officer at Medicinal Genomics. He got some of the vaccine. He's genetically sequenced it. I don't know if you've seen all the furor over that since March when he did it or February. He found all

kinds of DNA contamination. You know that they make the mRNAs, they make it as DNA and they strip off one side. Okay, so that's major. Now, in psychonautics... There are so many issues there, both on the liquid nanoparticle side and on the protein particle side, on the DNA particle side, on the plasmid side,

on the, you know, there's a myriad of issues there that people are worried about, talking about, but none of it seems to be going to the level of, and what happens at the regulatory level is three billion people have vaccinated, everybody's fine, what's the big deal? It can't be that bad. That's sort of what happens to all these concerns. Yeah. They're purposely not investigating that, Dr. Drew. Because they have the liability shield, they don't care. They're shirking, and that's an economic term, okay? They're using opportunism to make money, and they're not keeping the people safe. The burden of precautions shifted, and they don't care. I believe it's even worse. I believe they know that if they did the studies, it would show a

certain percentage of people having anaphylaxis just to the lipid nanoparticle itself. And then you've got the CDC. I mean, is it incompetence that they wrote the pink book, which two nurses wrote. And they say, don't aspirate anymore and inject really fast because we want to reduce the discomfort of the needle in the arm. There might be needle wiggle. Okay. And they're saying, jam it in there and inject as fast as you can. Now, the percentage of time you hit a vein, doctors argue, nurses argue, but the reality is they do hit some. And if you take a venous injection, an IV injection of this stuff, it's going to eat a hole through your endothelium somewhere. Where's it going to go? I don't know. What vein do you hit and where is that going? You've got aortic arch aneurysms occurring. Why? It's a fluid dynamics problem. You know,

as the blood gets closer to the heart, it goes and stops and goes and stops, right? It doesn't flow because the heart's pumping it's pumped so it goes and stuff Yeah, and it ends up in a certain place around that arch the lipid nanoparticles whether they're less or more dense They're gonna end up transfecting a certain place and I guarantee you with all these aortic arch aneurysms that are occurring They're probably occurring in the same spot because of fluid dynamics and the deposition of these nanoparticles. So I can go in any direction in conversation, whether it's economics or whatever, but I'm not a doctor. So anyway. Well, here's where I hang up a little bit, which is what should our risk tolerance be for a vaccine, right? That is, no one really ever specifies that.

I mean, what is the point at which we have saved sufficient number of people that the risk tolerance is worth it, and what's the number at the risk side? I've never seen anybody specify it, and it seems to be different according to different disciplines like I said pediatricians zero tolerance from death from the underlying illness no concern about how many people are hurt by by by the vaccine that seems to be the that seems to be their sort of their bias I don't know I I so the core, we have to all decide really how much risk are we going to tolerate in order to save how much from what? In other words, how many cases of measles and

encephalitis are we going to prevent versus how many untoward effects of vaccine are we going to tolerate and what kind of untoward events? And this is not something that's actively discussed, it seems to me, or at least I've not seen it. So are you aware of anything like that? No, but I do have a comment. I apologize. I'm going to disagree with you here. You said we, and what tolerance do we have? This is a moral question. Before I started writing anything about data, I wrote two articles about morality. One is the value of contrarianism in the times of witchery on my sub read in school. It was about the little town they had and people would go, it's like, oh, it's the lottery, it's the town fair. And then one woman was saying, I don't really agree with the lottery. I don't like it.

And what happened is they choose a family by lottery and then they choose a member of the family by lottery and they stone them to death. Now, what we have here is a situation. We know somebody's going to die. Okay, somebody's going to die. And, what we have here is a situation, we know somebody's going to die, okay? Somebody's going to die. And who are we to choose? Well, it's only one in a thousand, it's one in a million. And now we have papers to say, well, the disease is worse than this. If the shot is so much better than the disease, the people will know it, will know who's dying

and who's living. And it should always be up to the people to decide whether or not they want the shot. I mean, if it's really a bad disease, people are going to want the shot. They should never be coerced. They should never be forced to take the vaccine. And that's a moral decision. It's not up to society to decide, you know, Bill's going to die today. Oh, you don't get to choose. It's Bill. It's going to be random. Oh, that's fine then. No, it's not fine. You know, somebody's going to die today oh you don't get to choose it's bill it's going to be random oh that's fine then no it's not fine you know somebody's going to die and therefore from a moral point of view you you should not be participating in a death lottery whether it's a random draw or a selected person i i will just i will pile on i'll pile on in one respect and i'll push back a little bit on another one is that the the morality around making a healthy person sick from something we do to them is entirely different than somebody getting

sick from an infectious disease and dying because of something we didn't do to them, right? It's a very different moral equation, number one. Number two, I've always worried that we put serious infectious disease consequences behind the closed doors of the hospital. And so people never see the kids dying of measles. They never see the, the encephalitis and we see too much of it. So we're biased by that also, right? Our experience biases us the other way, but I worry that people don't make good informed consent because they never see the

downside of some of these conditions. Then that's their choice. It's not for you to make a choice. It's their choice, but as a physician, I feel like my job is to inform and to offer my point of view and judgment. And they can choose, they can take it or not take it. Ultimately're ultimately, you're right. It is up to the individual and we've taken all that away. Yeah, no, that's my point. Like, oh, you can't have a job. No, you can't have a job and you're going to lose your house. And you, you now, you no longer have a profession. You've been thrown out of your profession. Can't go back to semiconductors, right? They won't take me. I'm too old. Now I tried to go to law school. They threw me out. What am I going to do? I haven't worked in years. You know, so I'm writing a book. Um, we'll see what happens, but so you're going to be a, you're going to be a troublemaker.

You're going to be a gadfly at a trouble. So come on, bring it. Listen, we like that. I hope everybody was as enraptured by what you were saying as I was. To me, this was like talking to Ed Dowd. That was another. Yeah, we love him. Yeah, this was another. Well, this is another. I'm sure of it.

Everyone who's looking at these things kind of finds each other. And, you know, I'm a little more of a moderate than most, and certainly than Steve Kirsch and yourself, but I believe there is something extremely valuable in what you're showing, and the fact that we can't talk about it is disgusting. And so I hope that you will continue to pound on the courts. As you said, the consequences are going to be dire, but the consequences of not looking at these things seem to me to be worse. Remember when we had the COVID tracking system and we had all these things, we could see who was dying of COVID, but why didn't we have a COVID vaccine tracking system? Of course not. Not in a million years. But I have a question. Okay,

the fall is coming. That's when people get the flu, they get sick, they get cold, middle of the summer. Are we going to go through this whole thing all over again with you've got to get the booster and you have to,

you know, the kids have to be vaccinated to go back to school because COVID-19's back? It's hard to tell. The virus could still mutate into something nasty. I mean, that's a finite possibility.

It's just unlikely. I do believe we'll go through some of that, I suspect. In California, we'll probably go through a lot of it. But it doesn't protect you against getting it. But if he does something like that, I know, or passing it. But if they do do something like that, let me help you. Let's try to find a way to sue Governor Newsom. Yeah.

Because he has been the most egregious outlier in all of this. And I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves, frankly, because they've been so over their skis. That's a logical argument you're trying to make. There's no logic in what's been happening. You know, the courts are all greased. Depends on where you go. But we can talk about jurisdictions. I could go in so many different directions. I've done podcasts that are over three hours and all new content. I don't know what to say, but I'm doing my best. I'm going to see if

I can get you. Get me some stuff and I'm going to push on Rogan's people. Maybe we can get you over there. That would sort of get it up to another level. All right, listen. We do know him. He doesn't ever have Drew on the show, but we do know him. doesn't he doesn't ever have drew on the show but we do know him we can't we might be able to get you on the show yeah so let me work on all

these things you might have to smoke some pot with him but yeah you may have smoked a little weed but so uh or maybe bill maher too what about that tim what about that tim guy you did tim cast yeah tim cast would be another one i mean was a big one, right? Yeah, but that's sort of singing to the choir a little bit. Or Candace. Well, Candace. See, it's all singing to the choir. I think Joe has a broader audience and reported more broadly, too,

and it would have more of an impact. So let me kind of chew on it. Send me the stuff, John. I suspect I'll want you back soon to to kind of much like we talked about adam carolla show and we'll see uh and maybe we're gonna get you i'm gonna be your your personal book we didn't get to any signal analysis and all the other stuff that i've done that epidemiologists seem to have missed um i can and this is in Minnesota or in Massachusetts altogether? Minnesota, yeah. The signal analysis is different than other people look at it. But what I found is

I can find the Simpsons paradoxes, okay, where people think that there's no signal. There is, because there's a deficit in the over 85s that canceled out the new signal, which is steady state. So I have three things, the symptom spectrum profile, the age spectrum profile, it dropped first in one year. Okay. The excess death dropped from 81 to 65. It's a lot of young people dying. And then the seasonality profile went from seasonal, which is a sine wave to a linearly increasing signal with a little bit of steady state in there. And then if you add the acute renal failure, it's a combination because why are people dying

sinusoidally seasonally in acute renal failure? Because you get COVID, you go to the hospital, they give you remdesivir. That's happening in the winter. So you have a lot more acute renal failure deaths in the winter, but the troughs are going up. So again, it can go in so many different directions. Yeah, what I was talking about was daily. What you have up there, that's a percentage of total. And you see where 2020 shrinks down into almost normal, whereas 21 and 22 are extremely high. The 22 is 100% more than expected on a trend analysis. And that equates in, this is Massachusetts. Yeah. So that's 2000 extra deaths from one single ICD-10 code. And again, it's a dot nine. So it's acute renal failure unspecified. But it's one single code in one single state two thousand excess deaths at the time and it that started at the time they instituted remdesivir

and they're not even looking at it don't look at it and that's a lot of dead people yeah it is all of it is alarming and concerning and needs explication and discussion and a literature response to your challenge but the fact that it all becomes um suppressed that that's the part that i find most uh most disturbing all right well yeah sorry john thank you for uh doing all this work I said, I want to maybe bring you back and keep the conversation going maybe when Kelly's in here, Susan to give her a crack at this

Yeah, we should have had her on today too we're going to have her on more in July Yeah, Tom Renz tomorrow who is also someone taking out a lot of cases Do you know Tom Renz? R-E-N-Z? Do you know Tom? Yeah, we've talked on a couple of Zoom calls.

He'll remember me. He'll know who I am at least. Okay. Not a direct one-on-one. Yeah, he seems like someone that would also be a good collaborator for you. So we'll see. God bless you for the work you've done. Yeah.

The legal case is you have to understand that the market was cornered on law firms. Warner Mendenhall down at the, I spoke at their COVID litigators conference down in Atlanta and there were like 250 lawyers there. He said, how many people are from firms over 50? Two people raised their hand. How many people are in firms over 10? It was like five or six. Everybody was in firms under 10. And then how many of you people moved over from real estate law or estate planning to take litigation cases because nobody else would? And a bunch of people raised their hands. The litigators don't want to have anything to do with it because any corporation would not allow the law firms they go to to take any cases.

The market was cornered on lawyers, and people have been left high and dry. You're looking at class actions for remdesivir. There was one call I was on. There was 120 people. They lost their husbands and wives. And it was brutal to listen to the stories. They were hooked up to this stuff, dying. And it killed them.

Dr. Drew, I've cried my keyboard and for nearly a year and and let's and I again it's the hospital protocols these clinical Pathways they are mandated to add remdesivir that is the part that is again back to the capture you were talking about the electronic medical record and whatnot so all right listen I do have to wrap this thing up. I have to go to another Twitter spaces with Mario Naufal to talk about these things. You might go over there and raise your hand. It should be underway now. If he brings me up, I'll be happy to go over.

Yeah, well, check it out. Raise your hand, and I'll mention you're there if he brings me up. Susan, what's that? You want to plug your phone into the mic over here? Not yet. Possibly, yeah. Possibly I'll do that. Yeah, not right this minute.

Exactly, not right now. I know, I know. Let's wrap ourselves up here. John's been very interesting. Again, Tom Renz tomorrow, Kelly in here. We are out on Thursday? Yes, out on Thursday and back again next week. There's the upcoming guest.

Yeah, we'll be here tomorrow. Vivek Ramaswamy on July 3rd. Should be very good. Cat Lindley with Kelly on July 5th. Mark McDonald, psychiatrist, back on July 11th. The guy that got us censored on YouTube. Oh, is that right? Remember that?

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